Greket jane popull i humbur! E shihni se si perfunduan tani me ekonomi? Nuk dijne te udheheqin shtet ata po nuk e paten nje shqiptar te ju tregoj rrugen dhe ti udheheq edhe sot. Jane futur ne borxh deri ne fyt dhe po pelcasin tani, kane jetuar me para te huazuara e qohen dhe bejne demostrata... Kane ngrene buken e huaj deri sot dhe i mbeti edhe e vetja ne fyt me ne fund. Kane qene askushi, hajna te gjuhes, veshjes, vendit dhe njerez pa identitet!
With all these videos you anti-Greeks are trying to convince people that Greeks are not descendants from ancient Greeks..in one video they are Albanians, in another Christian Turks and in a third one Slavs...concerning ancient Greeks you try to prove that they were either Egyptians or Indo-europeans or Arians or probably Ethiopians..or who knows what else..we hope some day you will come with the only safe and sound solution concerning our origin..Greeks are Greeks..until that day we salute you.
If you go back to proto-turks times,you will clearly find too many evidences that shows troyans (tur-oya),lydians,and many anatolian civilizatons are Turanian descended.Turks didnt migrate to anatolia randomly,they turned back to their own lands(anatolia)After Troy war greek invaded our lands and assimilated,in fact anatolia have never belong to greeks,they were assimilated anatolians(Turanians)and many so called greek island today belong to Turanians(Turks) too.
More like the modern Turks are muslim Greeks. Sorry Turks we where here before you. You where in Mongolia. Thats why many of todays Turks in Aegean Coast have white characteristics and other Turks got almond eyes or darker skin in Anatolia. Do you want me to mention jenissaries? Cause those people definitely weren't Turks.
@ataturk1888 Greeks from Northern Greece are lighter skinned/eyed i think but other Greeks are like Turks....many Turks are descendents of Balkan people(especially in the west Turkey) so they look white some are even blonde with blue eyes...but Turks from Eastern Turkey and maybe Central are not white but mongoloid i think.
@orthodoxknight88 Mate, those from Eastern Turkey are mongrels with arabs/kurds/iranians. They are not White, but there are still non mixed White Turks in Anatolia. Mixed Turks are not white.
LMFAO dumbfuck video by a dumbfuck turkalbanian whose national origins are still unknown to historians.. Dumb arab keep worshiping your Greek masters.
SOT ESHTE DITA ME KEN TE BASHKUM SE KURRE, DHE ATA QE NUK E PELQEJNE KET VIDIO JANE TRADHETARE TE KOMBIT KU GJAKUN E KAN TURK-SERB-GREK RROFTE SHQYPNIA ETNIKE
Again, who would be such an idiot to become a christian in an islamic empire unless he loved to suffer, if not the decendants of the Byzantine Greeks, many Turks are Greek decendants nowadays becaouse of the vast muslimifications, especially many of those of the coasts and instanbul are looking Greeks!!
It's about nationalism, not ethnicity. A Greek may have both Greek and Albanian ancestors, but if he/she's born in Greece, then that is what they are going to fight for.
"Greeks came from Pontus"? I believe personally that you're wrong in this statement. Greeks did not originate in Pontus. They migrated there from west to east. First they lived in today's Greece before they traveled out east to Pontus. Do the people of western Greece look Albanian? Maybe some do but not most. Where did Albanians come from before? Could they have come from the Albania in the Lower Caucasus and migrated to the Balkans? By the way, that guy at 4:20 looks a lot like me.
@nolurqitme had more than 800.000 Greeks, and the population of Greece 2000 years after is just 10 millions, that means there lots of people who have Greek origin but they do not know it
@nolurqitme Actually there were more.Just think that in the 5th centurey BC only the city of syracusa which was the biggest Greek colony in sicely and south italy had a population of 500.000 Greeks. South italy and sicely were full of Greek colonies now calculate how many greeks were in the colonies! Probably a million or a little less and then think if there were a million in the colonies of the west how many would be in Greece or the east colonies? Accept all that in its peak constantinople
@terraprod bullshit, they wouldnt be able to support those type of populations.
in the middle ages european cities were made up of a few thousand inhabitants.
and during that time, i think it was only the aztecs whos city was inhabited by 1/2 million thx to corn and other agricultural foods which enabled the cities to support those type of populations.
@terraprod These are ancient Greeks.Ancient Greeks were never a united Nation.They only worked together when they could get riches like the siege of Troy.The Dorians,Thracians,Illyrians,Phygrians, and Semetics made up ancient Greece.Modern Greeks have no lineage with the ancients.
@nolurqitme lol??why i am supposed to know this tribes? what great thing did they did? anyway the population of those tribes was not enough to geneitcally affect 20 million Greeks of the byzantin empire
@nolurqitme yes tell me mr idiot why would a muslim become a chirstian in the ottoman empire? The muslims payed no taxes and they were respected by everyone they christians payed taxes, treated as animals and were slaves, so why a muslim would become an "infident"? Go learn some history. Free NORTH EPIRUS from albanian terrorism. Over 300.000 Greeks in south albania
hey idiots if you knew greek you would see that it is excaclty the same language as the ancient one. I can read an ancient text almost without a problem. Even the expressions we use today are they same the ancient used to use. The Greeks did not marry other people because they consider them barbarians. Accept all that Greece throughout it is 5000 years and more history was conquered entirely only 2 times. By the Romans and the Ottomans. Albanians go fuck you back to the caspian sea animals
during the Battle of Elli, Kountouriotis, frustrated by the slow speed of the three older Greek battleships, hoisted the Flag Signal for the letter Z which stood for "Independent Action", and sailed forward alone, with a speed of 20 knots against the Turkish fleet. Averof succeeded in crossing the Turkish fleet's "T" and concentrated her fire against the Ottoman flagship, thus forcing the Ottoman fleet to retreat in disorder.
ethnic groops in turkey..major ethnic groups (large portions of whom have been extensively Turkicized since the Seljuk and Ottoman periods) include the Abkhazians, Adjarians, Albanians, Arabs, Assyrians, Bosniaks, Circassians, Hamshenis, Kurds, Laz, Pomaks, Roma, Zazas and the three officially recognized minorities (per the Treaty of Lausanne), i.e. the Armenians, Greeks and Jews
I agree about acting superior because even though ancient greeks had a great civilization they too were influenced by egyptians and phonecians just as these great peoples were also influenced by another civilization. But most of the other cultures you refer to recognize themselves as "greeks" regardless of what the govt tells them. We have an extremely rich greek heritage that we have a right to regardless of our origin and its sometimes hard not to be humble. :) except for that game with korea
I've posted the same message over and over again when reading stuff like this. There is no such thing as 100 percent pure race of peoples its impossible. otherwise they would all be pretty damm ugly. even the ancient greeks made no such claims of being pure greek. It wasnt about ethnicity or a line in the sand to separate two different looking people. They used their brains for other things like ummm being civilized and survival.
Of course. But then, they shouldn't say their completely homogeneous and recognize the diversity of cultures that exist in the country, and stop acting superior over their neighbours.
when you say modern greeks are nothing but turkish christians its just as dumb as greeks saying they are 100 percent descended from ancient greeks. If anything you yourself might contain more greek blood then albanian and you wouldnt even know it. Thats the balkans for you thanks to the Ottoman Empire.
Pershendetje MIk! Se fundmi kam gjetur nje dok leter te shkruar nga nje arvanit nga Suli .Vulgaris quhet i cili ka shkruar nje leter dokument ky ne arkiven e shtetit shqiptar, qe thote se edhe pasardhesit e marko Bocarit mendonin per shtetin e
By the way...anatolia is the peninsula of Asia minor, Modern Turkey
at least when u propaganded read some history book first, and do not take out of ur everything out of ur arse..Funny is that the uploader, actually sais greeks called albanians pelasgians.. all ur historic resources are based on greeks fucking haters!
haha greece your eceonomy is collapsed and these 3thrd world albanian Chernobyl chicken followers overtake you.Long live Turkey and Macedonia Vardar Pride world wide!
i am GREEK, we are GREEKS, we will always be GREEKS, nothing you haters say, write or sing about us will change that...
we are born GREEK and we will die GREEKS, descendents of the ancient GREEKS and Alexander The Great GREEK so fuck all of you yealous punks and fake wannabe Greeks
so what now what am i? Italian? lol cos deffo i am no turk or greek, be that in religion or tradition, language or mentality.. i am simply Albanian like most Albanians from my country and whoever feels Albanian..
i am sorry but it is 2010 and people are so ignorantd they do not understand what the 'term '' religion'' is and what it means, you boast about religion like most greeks and serbs, so u are of the same shit lineage.
of course i woudnt expect nothing other than retardation from someone of your calibre. you do come forward as a complexed twit!
for the record, i come from a christian region myself, christian catholic not orthodox, which means this region is christian since 2000 years ago, so is my family but those who believe in Albania and our history are my brothers regardless of their religious orientation..
i pity you!
you do not understand evolution and how times change people! :))
do you understand that all you can do is hate Albanians only in YT.. everywhere you go, down your local, at your city nightclub, you run shit scared of Albanians and you can only show respect there.. here you bark like a gay dog! haha complexed square headed scared serbian whore! thats what you are! YOU ARE OWNED BITCH!!
hahaha, sorry never looked your profile, thats how interesting you are to the world! lol
but you seem like a serbo-croatian, or maybe just an orthodick serb who calls greeks brothers cos u have have the same orthodick religion! LOL
i assume you are united with the gayreeks in hate against Albanians! haha.. u live in Norway, go and fuck with an Albo there.. well with an ethnic, i come from the heart, Albania.. we taste a bit bitter! :)) salut to my Albo brothers, shit to you
when i said that you are obsessed with Albanians you are confirming that correctly! cheers! :))
in greece there's some unskilled Albanian immigrants unfortunately! you have nothing to offer them as a professional workforce.
i can guarantee you today in 2010 your women prefer more Albanian men ( Strong, Agile & Productive ;0) ) than gayreek men! i can confirm this cos Albanians love punani and greek women are @their disposal as your men are busy bumming each other! get it? lol
my advice to you pontian greko is: you watch your country in the next decade when will be collp[asing bit by bit you have a fusion of asian and middle eastern immigration u cannot control!
i am telling you Albania is heading to be an EU country, our government is corrupted like all goverments, our country is amazing, ppl are healthy, fertility rate is best! YOU WORRY ABOUT YOUR NATION! Albania is better to live nowadays than gayreece today! GOOD BYE loser!!
germans have fucked u on WWII, your papandreos is begging Angela Markel to shave her ginger German muff so he could save gayreece!! haha or Sarkozy, he has a thing for fucking ppl up, lol
greece doesnt have no political relations with no European countries! is against USA, UK and all USA allies, u do not recognise Kosovo yet when all the European powers do!
you as a EU nation also need a visa to travel to USA!! thats how much ur loved! DIA FAG BITCH!! lol
there's a fact that Albania has a weak government, you are right, any other thing Albanians run it your country, Europe or anywhere.. we have the natural instinct for survival! you gayreeks are obsessed with us cos you fear us and you can never have the heart of an Albanian.. we're only getting better day by day when you pontian fuckers are 3000 years behind the world, ur a blind nation who is dying totally cos you cannot pay your debt interest anymore!! sell ur islands! LOL
you are bragging about religion you knobish pontian vermin!
you are funny though, carry your jesus cross on ur shoulders cos u'll be salvaged! stjoopid! lol
talking about dick munchers! haha have you got a TV? aint ur PM sucking European cock so his country can avoid a total meltdown! 13% deficit!! haha.. for the next 30 years gayreece will work to repay its debts!
i predict u to come for work in Albania in 10 years time.. lol Die Bitch! haha
listen to me you illiterate creature cos i can only see one DUMB schmack here and that is you!
no1 wants retarded opinions from bellends like you..
if you wanna argue/debate with fellow YT-ers about a subject post references here no pathetic heart aching bitchiness! lol
the only gypsies in Europe are asian looking greeks, which make up 75% of greek population as nn caucasian, your 25% white bit in greece shares same DNA with Albania today!
Albanian population is the only population in Balkans with no origin, be that in language or else.. meaning we have been there since time can remember and we are like no other, language, traditions, costumes, folklore and mentality..
Albanian population is 96% homogenius.
Encyclopedia Brittanica ..
check greek population in Britannica what it says! lol it says greeks think they are 100% ancient greeks but reality is different, they are a cocktail of races.. go sleep pontian!
Albania has never been an orthodox country? b4 the ottoman invasion Albania was Roman Catholic, you are dumb to think that..
when the ottomans invaded Balkans, you gayreeks along with serbs did not record one single major battle while Albania fought the turks for 32 years!! i am guessing you just opened your anus to turks! is strange how all u grekos all look like turks! find ur answers in
is this the best you anti Greeks can do? I am not impressed, I expected better bullshit....the team that put this video together is not very taleneted. I expected some ministry in the albanian government to do better propaganda than this crap....very disappointed
listen me,,,, this is another propaganda,,,, none can't beat us,,, we have history, the biggest in whole world,,, we are Christians,,, we have a purpose in this world as Helenism rises and Rises and none can't stop Helenism rising,,, the only good try is that you bring pakistans afgans in our country,,,, you want to loose our own language our nationality, this is the only way to beat Greeks,,,
very nice video thats true...albanians used to live in MORENE (todays peloponez).....i know a lot of arvanite from there in america .they speak old albanian language proud albanians and they are the pride that after that became a greek pride.
actually albblessed, the ottomans never officially occupied the region of Mani, in southern Peloponnese. I think the only area which successfully resisted. and of course Greeks are mixed. who isn't. there's no such thing as a pure race. everyone had to come from somewhere.
Although the greeks are more mixed than this video lets on. Modern greeks, have albanian, slavic, vlach, turkish, and greegro-roman blood. I'm not sure how much if any of their blood is related to ancient greeks.
I already explained it to you.there was no other way be muslim or die. To me greeks did the right thing after the fall of the ottoman empire.They kicked out all muslims greeks and foreigns.That's a good move to greece.But in albania we are doing it on the democratic way.Islam is disappearing from albania slowly but surely
Most of the greek population today is byzantine slavic, /i'm not sure how much of them are of albanian descent, but i'm sure it is not a small number.
@Flanked VT less than a century ago in modern greece the main spoken language was the Albanian language.. research this so you don't to believe me! salut!
according to phonebook statistics around 4 million greeks are of Albanian descend today.. also adding that 25% of the greek population shares the same DNA with the Albanian population.. but whats more funny is that even Albanian speaking orthodox in greece today call themselves greek and deny anything Albanian because of the allegiance with the orthodox church.. retarded i know! :)) salut.
turks occupied all greece but in albania they couldn't never gone to Dukagjini,Mirdita ,Himara and Zagoria.Those were the 4 provinces who turks never had a chance to get on.
@albblessed turks occupied all greece and never gone to Albania? Why 80% of albanians are muslims then? Who converted them to islam?
Ali Pasha was an albanian and muslim.. Mohamet Ali of Kavala was an egyptian with albanian origin, and he was a general in Ottoman army. Do leave in dreams.. u r muslims cause u kneealed to turks.. u were actually the hunting dogs of the turks all over the balkans..
@albARSEblessed return to ur cave where u belong to, and dream on. I am not full of hate albanians being muslims is a fact. As well as albanians beeing the hunting dogs of the turks is a fact. U are a mixed Greek-illyrian-turkish-gypsie race and now u trying to offend the greekness by saying all this shit on the net. Thank god history books exist and are not written by scums like u.
@GioDun There are over 100,000 Greek Muslims in Greece who are ethnic Greeks.
A census in 1880 numbered the total ETHNIC GREEK MUSLIMS AT OVER 1 MILLION.
They were traded for Orthodox Turks during the population exchange.Please stop talking out of your ass.We Albanians always protected our IDENTITY not our religion because unlike Greeks you can not become Albanian through faith only by blood. Fan Noli,Gjergj Kastrioti, and Pretash Zeka Ulaj were all of Christian faith and fought for ALBANIA.
@zincwad in 1880 the Greek muslims were over 1 million where did u read this? HAHA in the albanian scientific literature portal? Orthodox turks, by this u mean greeks from asia minor? Maybe u should call them Orthodox ottomans, cause back then the word turks was not introduced yet. Becoming Greek means same blood, same religion, same language and same origin. Ofcource Albanians can not meet the criterion religion cause they are mulims 70%, orthodox 20% and catholics 10%.
@GioDun The world Turk has been in existence since the 11th century defing the migrations from Mongolia.70% muslim?That was a Ottoman Survey done over one hundred years ago and the numbers were manipulated.Today Christians make up 70% of our natoin with the minority being muslim. The entire northern Highlands is catholic.You pretend to know something about our nation but you claim 98% of Greece is inhabited by Greek people.Albanians make up about 18% of Greece and we do not have one school
@zincwad the word turk is in use by the anatolians turk only the last 100 yrs before this they called themselves ottomans or oghurs. Like they called Albanians arnauts. Albanians make up 18% of Greece? U include all the illegal Albanian immigrants who work, and eat bread in Greece in this? The Arvanites were Greek from the area of N. Epirus, and mooved to south Greece in 11 ct. cause of their strong Greek identity they take it as insult if u call them Albanians. As for sultans with greek
@GioDun Any historian giving insight on the issue calls them ALbanian.They tehmselves call themselves Albanian but feel closer to Greece.Arvanite has the same meaning as Arauvut but the V is silent in Turkish. The fact is the Greeks owe us that much for freeing them from the Turks.
@GioDun in Greece. You are suppose to be a European Union member but have the political and social structure of Iran. Albanians could not marry Turks.The Kanun did not allow us.However there is evidence of Sultans have Greek mothers.The only mixing between Albanians and Turks took place when they sent soldiers to rape village women which happend 4 times in Greece not even in Albania proper.The fact is if you call yourself orthodox you can be a Greek.
@zincwad mothers ofcource it happend nobody will deny this. Turks and Muslim Albanians were really famous for raping and stealing Cristian women. What u dont understand little brother is that in the Ottoman occupation religion was the most important factor for the life of a citizen. If muslim then no taxes, backhorse riding, killing cristians. If u were a cristian then jennysaries, taxes, rapes from muslims etc. As for the strugle all the Greek heroes i know are of Greek origin etc
@GioDun Are you stupid? Give me ONE incident where Albanians muslims raped any christian women.They took the faith for those very reasons to avoid military service and no taxes.The fact is they were back curtain christians and still are!Do you realize how fast the conversion to Catholicism-rate is in Albania?
In 1878 the Muslim inhabitants of Cyprus (constituting about 1/3 of the island's population, which then numbered 40,000 inhabitants) were classified as being either Turkish or "neo-Muslim." The latter were of Greek origin, Islamised but speaking Greek, and similar in character to the local Christians.The last of such groups was reported to arrive at Antalya in 1936. These communities are thought to have abandoned Greek in the course of integration.
@zincwad hands instead of goin to courts. Like the same thing we have in Crete and in Laconia which is called Vendetta. As for the Albanian war against Turk i remind u this, No fewer than 42 Grand Viziers of the Ottoman Empire were of Albanian descent. Its not bad to deny the islamic herritage of ur country. I mean if i visit Tirana ur capital, will i not see a mosque and muslim Albanians?
By all u were saying its clear how little intermarriage happened in Greeks, if someone converted to islam
@GioDun The fact is it ran ramped in Greece.The fact is when they use the Term Ancient Greek there is a distinction to be made. You will see a mosque as you will see a Catholic church and a orthodox church.Do you realize Albania has two times as many churches then mosques.The fact is we do not care bout religion. The only faith I have is Albania.To be a Greek all you need to do is bow to the cross.
@zincwad u r completelly wrong little brother in cristianity is not the only matter to distinguish Greeks. I already told u same blood, same language, same religion thats what makes a Greek. In the Greek war of independence Greeks were actually fighting against muslim-Albanians under Ottoman control than Ottomans. Read what Mohammad Ali and his egyptians did to Greeks with the help of muslim Albanians. The same with Ali Pasha. Even ur here Georgios Kastriotis in the beggining was muslim
@GioDun In the History of the ottoman empire there where only 2,000 Albanian soldiers The Balkans by Misha Glenny.Gjergj Kastrioti was a catholic who was forced to convert at the Ottoman court he soon came back to his religion.So you honestly believe Greece is 98% greek?
@zincwad Ipirus is a turkish word?? And Epirotes were Illyrian? If Ipirus and Epirotes Illyrians how on earth turks gave name to a region they reached in 1500 ac? U are completely wrong.. Epirus is Greek word meaning vaste land. And epirotes were a Greek Doric tribe not at all Illyrian. There is no minority in Greece except the muslim minority. Having Albanians as immigrants doesn't make them a minority, they are just immigrants. During WW2 we actually took Ipirus but the Great forces of the
@GioDun Epirus if anything comes from a Albanian word Haper.Haper means wide in Albanian. Homer calls the Epirotes Barbarians in his Iliad.Aristotle calls Alexander the Great off spring of Barbarians.His mother is from Epirus.Greeks called anyone who was not Greek barbarian and this is fact. George Finlay calls them non Greek.
@zincwad there is no point arguing with cause u r so brainwashed from the nationalistic albanian propaganda. Epirus is 100% greek word, and the epirotes were several tribes most of them greek like the tribe of mollosoi, where alexanders mother belong to. Aristotle was the teacher of alexander and himselve a macedonian, from the greek tribe of macedonians, and never called barbarian alexander. Demosthenes an athenian politician, because he was against macedonians called them barbaric.
@GioDun Alexander could not speak Greek until he was 15 according to Aristotle. Macedonians were not a Greek tribe but became hellenized. The word Ipiros comes from the Mongolic word for the regions which was adopted from the ALbanian word Haperi.Mollosians where known to the Illyrians as Molsores in modern Albanian Malsores or highlanders. In Greek this has no meaning. Nationalism? Nope just fact.
@zincwad where on earth did u read that alexander couldn't speak Greek?? According to Aristotle or according to ur arse? Macedonians were a greek tribe mate all the way. Ipirus is a mongolian word? LMAO u have not basic knowledge of history, for sure u are educating urselve with videos from nationalistic albanian scums. All u talk about history and illyrians is written by greek historians, even the word illyria is mentioned by a greek historian, otherwise u would't even know it. Mollosoi has
@GioDun Illyria is mentioned by countless historians apparently you are mentally disabled. Have you read any of the books of Aristotle he clearly states this.Macedonians and Epirotes were barbarians to the classical Greeks.They were not Greek. They sure as hell arent modern greek.
@zincwad illyrian is mentioned firstly by greek historians. HAHA aristotle is a greek, macedonias and epirotes the same. Bygres? Its spelled Bryges stupid ape no relation with the illyrians. Macedonians means highlander.. Molossus means tall! LMAO i am getting lessons of greek language by a young albo student. Ali pasha lived in turkey not in Epirus? His house is in Ioannina u illeterate turkish-kneeling dog. Dorians were celts?? HAHAHA!! Albanians were forced to go to turkey?? HAHA
@GioDun Of course his house is in Epirus I never said it wasnt but he was raised at the Ottoman Court. The name Macedonain is the Greek Translation of the original name Emathia.Which in Albanian is emadhia means the Great ones.Apparently you have neever read about the population exchanges.Albanians arent Turks.....You are the ones who have foods such as baklavva and Gyros which are middle eastern to there core.You obviously need to get out of your VILLAGE.hahahah fucking villager
@zincwad first Albanians came they were muslims and the converted to orthodoxy, nowadays u cannot actually realise that they are not Greeks. They are really wealthy, with good jobs and homes to leave in, thats what i call democracy. I wonder if Greeks came to work in Albania what would nationalistic scums do to them?..
@GioDun Your proved my point the fact is you try to assimilate the Albanian populations to make them Greek then claim them as Greeks.If Greeks lived in Albania and they do nothing is happening to them.They have their rights and their schools while the Albanians in Greece do not.
@zincwad Greeks in Albania are a minority since long time.. in Greece Albanians are just immigrants... Whats fatos? Baklava is persian, Gyros is Greek, Kebap is Arabe, loan-woards excist everywhere. Try to understand little brother, that cristian Albanians have closest relatives the Greeks thats a fact. The muslim ones intermarried a lot with the ottomans so the connection was lost. If u were a bit open-minded and not nationalistic u would see my point.
@GioDun You see my point then.Names and foods are often exchanged when a nation gets conquered. Albanian muslims did not inter marry with Turks the kanun forbid it.Anyone one who did was regarded as a traitor and exiled from Albania. You are telling me not to use nationalism when you are trying to divide a people along religious lines when the division could not occur.Obviously you do not know what you speak.
@zincwad then he was trited as a muslim and a turk and did not belong to the Greek nation. The fact is little brother that Cristian Albanians are the closest nation to Greeks, the muslims are really close to the Turks. Anyway after the yrs of communism now its ur time for national awakening so its normal to beeing tought how supperior the Albanians are, in 50 yrs or something u will not be so much worried about the nationalistic ideas u have now.
@GioDunYou realize the few Albanian muslims left converted only one hundred and fifty years ago?So how could tis make any sense?I am taking a lesson on how not to be a Nationalist from a Greek...Priceless.There is not one Albanian school in Greece.You claim 98% of the Greek population is of Greek decent.This is not nationalism?Please leave the games to rest.....You obviously have not opened a book in you life... maybe you have but probably only of Greek authors or the oh so factual bible.
@zincwad and them recristianised to the catholic faith. U see little brother i ve opened lots of books in my life as well as Albanian Newspapers calling the greek area of Epirus Chameria and claiming it. If this is not nationalism and imperialism then what is it? Greek army could take N.Epirus in one day and we never make any imperialistic suggestions or dreaming of a Great Greece. Whats wrong with Albs and Fyromians claiming all day and night greek land?? Is this not nationalism?
@GioDun During World War 2 did you not try to take northern Epirus?The epirotes were a Illyrian tribe.Ask any historian.Your word for Chameria is Ipiros which is a Turkric word for the region.You speak of nationalism and today there is still no minority in Greece.So shut the fuck up and learn to type in english because the fact is half of what you write is uncomprehendable.
@zincwad time favoured Albania instead of creating a Great Greece which they feared they could not handle. Instead they used the english foreign policy of dividing and conquer, which is based upon creating small countries with lots of minorities in them in order to be unstable and easy to manipulated.
@GioDunThe fact is your tried to conquer land which wasnt yours.The Greek population in Albania migrated there during 1756 when the Ottomans attacked major ports along the Western Coast.They are not indigenous.The Albanians of epirus however have been there since the Bronze age.The Arvanites migrated to the Athenian region in the 15th century. Eeven if they were just immigrants then they still deserve rights just as the Greeks have in Albania.
@zincwad but that was political games and propaganda in order to unite the southern greeks agains the northern greeks. Greeks excisted in the area of N. Epirus since ancient times. From these ppl the Byzantine emperoros mooved populations to southern greeks the so-called arvanites. Billingual greeks from the area of Epirus with strong greek identity. We tried to conquer land in WW2 that it was not ours? We were liberating yous from the italian oak! What a twisted education u have..
@GioDun The Illyrians roamed the Area of Epirus in large numbers before the Greeks ever did. We even took the measure to conquer Dodona again from the Greeks and kill the oracles that lived there. Tey were not Greeks but ALbanians from the northern highlands who moved to Greece after Shkodra fell in 1479. Alexandro Palas= Aleksander Pali.
Kryzieus?=Kryezi
There are no such thing as Greek Arvanites but ALbanians who adopted Greek culture.
@zincwad dividing ppl according to their religion is not nationalistic at all its a fact. I am not pointing you to hate ur fellow muslim albanians, but truth is that they are heavily assimilated into turkish culture, because of their faith. Having communism so many yrs driven all albanians to have a loose sence of faith to a specific religion. Anyway thats not a matter to discuss. Ohh again this thingie with the flag of greece being the one of the east india company. Do u believe that back then
@GioDun You can not define ethnicity on religious grounds that is asinine. The fact is they converted 150 years ago.No mixing occurred and only a few retain Turkish names today as they do in Greece today. We have always had a loose sense of religon.We had a catholic and a muslim commander at the battle of Deciq.We are Albanian first.
@zincwad no meaning in greek? It means "big" in the body.. First of all claiming ancestory from illyrians is not done only by albanians, its done by croatians and bosniaks, its not scientifically yet prooved that albanians have illyrian ancestory. Thracians and Phrygians were a former illyrian tribe? :))))))) the albanian nationalistic propaganda is doin a really good work with u. Thracians and Phrygians were completely separated nations from the illyrians. Greeks, thracians, illyrians and
@GioDun Where did the Bygres live? They were the pre cursor people to the Phygrians. In ancient greek it does mean highlander you made up the fact that it means big. They were Illyrians. Pirro never fought the Illyrians. Alexander only fought the tribe of Illyrians on the macedon border for public opinion.Your view on history is obviously deluded.
@zincwad greeks even knew the east india company? Again u r lost in nationalistic albanian propaganda, that focuses only to discriminate anything greek and showing how big the albanian nation is. What about ur flag? Did kastrioti not copy it from the byzantine flag?
Ok lesson for u: the stripes of the greek flag are 5 blues and 4 whites for the motto in greek "freedom or death" (elefteria i thanatos), try it urselve. Blue is from the blue greek skies and seas, and white is from the snowcovered
@GioDun Please go research the flag of the east India Company.You adopted the flag because the British used you as a satellite to eye the Turkish empire just incase it were to default on the loans the British gave them after the crimean war. The two headed eagle along with the goat and the snake are Illyrian signs copied by the Thracians.You could find these signs in the former city of Troy where Thracians and Phygirans a former Illyrian tribe lived.
@zincwad greek mountains and the white light of the greek sun. When i say greek sun i do not mean that the sun is greek ok??? :))) Anyway my conclusion is that its pointless arguing with u apparently u are really young and very nationalistic. You believe that all the missfortunes in ur country are caused from the greeks, and u ll be decent again if all greeks are wiped out from the map and u claim ur homelands once again. Well according to some greeks all the modern albania could be claimed as
@GioDun It can not be claimed as Greek for one sole reason; it is not Greek.The Byzantine empire was a multi ethnic political structure which was lead by Illyrians,Thracians, and "Greeks". We Albanians do not claim all of Greece but what is ours which is Epirus.You can not call me nationalistic when you portray the same trait. You insult my intelligence when the fact is you said you lived in a village' Good one.
@zincwad phrygians are the so called Old Balkan Nations. Albanians converted to islam 150 yrs ago??? Sorry mate but Ali Pasha excisted was born 1740 and he was a muslim. HAHA greeks are a mixture of Albanian, slav and turk? when albos are pure? By this i can conclude how nationalistic crap u are. The Dorians were full illyriased? Where on earth honestly have u read these nonsenses? I insult u by saying that i live in a village? HAHAHA, i ve studied in the UK for 8 yrs believe i have more
@GioDun Ali Pasha lived in Turkey he was born to Albanian catholic parents from Tepelena.The Dorians were Celts who travled through Illyria becoming Illyrianized.This is fat obviously you do not know this.
@zincwad greek land based on historic facts and assumptions from an arse. Is there a point doin so?? I ll tell u this.. albanians and fyromians are lucky enough that we are not like the turks provocing violence and claiming lands. Otherwise we would already occupie these lands.
Cheers little brother i hope someday u will open ur eyes and see what i am telling u from comment no1 greeks and albanians are the closest relatives in the balkans.
@GioDun We are the closest relatives in the Balkans because modern Greeks are a mixture of Albanian,Slav and Turk.The Dorians migrated to Greece though Illyria fully Illyrianizing them. We have as much claim to Greece as you do today.The fact is you refuse to open YOUR eyes because you are blinded by Government agenda schools in Greece trying to sway public opinion.I live in the United States in Chicago the Biggest Greek minority city and they agree with me. They opened their eyes now your turn
@zincwad educational qualifiers than u, since i already concluded that u have't even finished ur secondary education. We are the closest relatives because albanians were in large scale hellinised through centuries. Unfortunately this stopped when ottomans arrived and then u were islamised and then turkified. Nowadays it is estimated that 2,500,000 Turks are of at least partial Albanian ancestry, whereas 500,000 consider themselves Albanian.
@GioDun Those were Albanians who were forced to go live in Turkey during the Serbian and Greek population exchanges. Albanians of the south were only Hellenized because of their faith which the Greeks hold as a staple to be Greek. Only 8% of Albanians consider themselves muslim with 70% claiming no religion.Obviously you can barely speak english, half of what you write is uncomprehendable.Where did you study in the UK, Guess where I went?
@zincwad U albanians claim what urs? Epirus?? HAHA u are really young my friend and very nationalistic... if u want Epirus come and get it if u can. I wonder what would happen if the intentions were vise versa... Greek flag was adopted with the cristian cross and the blue colour was the symbol of the preatorians the stripes i have already told u. Albanian flag is from the kastrioti flag, who adopted the byzantine symbol cause he wanted to create another byzantine empire, simple as this.
@zincwad greek from chicago agree with ur nationalistic crap from ur arse? I don't think so..u are so cocky by the fact that u are leaving in a big city right? Well albanians are working in our fields in my village, so i guess there are albanians as well leaving in villages...I cannot bother with u, u r really young, ur education is twisted, for sure u believe any nationalistc video u watch in youtube. Educate urselve with scientific papers and then u ll have a proper knowledge little brother.
@GioDun IN YOUR VILLAGE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
You are a fucking villager who has no food to eat.Please stop come on im am dying of laughter.First you tell me Albanians are wealthy in Greece now they are farmers?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.You are truly mentally retarded you can not sum a argument without contradicting yourself.I could fucking buy your whole village.
@zincwad albanians are wealthy and they are still working in our fields... U could by all the village?? HAHA with what ? crap from ur arse? Greeks work in US as janitors and prostitutes? Greek lobby is the most wealthy in US after the israeli one. U have illyrian blood ?? HAHA not at all my friend u are lucky if u have greek blood running in u.. But unfortunatelly u have turkish blood, from the knelling ur ancestors did in order to become muslims and gain power.
@GioDun HAHAHAHAHAHAH The Greek Lobby?It could not get the United States to give it Aid when your economy collapsed.HAHAHAHAHA Strongest Lobby?You are obviously fucking stupid.No I dont have Turkish blood because I can trace my family lineage back to the 11th century by grandfathers with names.You Greeks however fail to go back 200 years where you will find your Grandfather was Murat Hukululugu.
You are from a village where they could not muster up to men to fight for anything.
@GioDun I have gotten schooled at the top university in the United States.They have no bias because they do not care.This is what I learned not lies from youtube as you.I am not a Nationalist.I am a patriot.Nationalist believe they are superior like you Greeks.Albanians here own homes and companies.Greeks here work as janitors and prostitutes for mexican and black pimps.Please which university did you study in UK?
@zincwad u are crazy, young, illeterate troll and apprarently u have been arse-raped by a greek.. Did u like it? Or u prefer ur own kinship, turkish cocks? Honestly faggot read some books, cause i am feeling i am chating to a phyco... Dorians = celts, u = illyrian, ali - pasha in turkey, not nationalistic..AHHAA take ur medicine picko gurba and everything is goin to be allright... Honestly u are the worst nationalistic albo i ve argued u are completely mentaly crazy...
@GioDun Illiterate means one who ca not read.Use the word in context villager.This is not even a argument obviously you do not known anything.A argument is when someone actually has a minor bit of evidence.You however are in denial.You have not given me facts just said no that is not right.You are from a village where in the winter you have to huddle together for warmth.I do not take Turkish dick that is your mother in the next room.Typical Greek women loving dark dick.It is apparent in
@zincwad the italians in WW2 apparently greeks coulnd not see albos as friends anymore, but as what they are, bastards who unite with the strong in order to gain power. Unfortunatelly for albanian italy could invade greece and then greek troops kicked italians back even from N. Epirus. Pagalos is mentioned in all our books. I am from a village where in the winter we huddle together for warmth? HAHAHA come over here and i could huddle u, and serve u a village sausage with vains, u would like it!
@zincwad and u started with the mother thingie right? Ask ur mother why her name is emine, cause its the name they give in women when they raped by a turk... U are so funny HAHA u trace ur lineage iin 11th ct.? HAHA in what documents ottoman? Or maybe in all these books that u apparently have read and states that dorians are celts? HAHA malaka!!! Anyway i cannot bother with u anymore, u cannot discuss in a polite manner typically albanian, when lack of arguements.
@GioDun hahahaha my mothers name is not emine do not confuse her with a greek.Lack of arguments.You are fucking stupid and you live in a village I proved my arguments and you could not come back with
@GioDun in Chicago as well. William Peacock, George Finlay,Edith Durham, and Edward Jacques are not Albanian but they write this. the first president of Greece was Albanian and he could not speak Greek.You Greeks refuse to put him in text books because he is Albanian.Now tell me nationalism you village fuck.There is a reason why all you Greeks are brown like Arabs and share half their culture.It is a shame when a Turk thinks he is European.
@zincwad hahaaha honestly where do u find all these crap ?? Emathia is albanian word? OMG u are completely crazy. Listen i am writing how the facts are, and u keep on coming with all these nonsenses.. Honestly i ve never heard someone so brainwashed and twisted like u. Where do u read these staff? I am from a village and u are from chicago, which means that u are not even the balkan peninsula right now, and by ur saying muster uped as a man ?? HAHAHAA phycoooooooo!!! OK the pchycatriast said
@zincwad to reply to you in whatever you say yes.. Greeks are brown? HAHAHA u are also nazi my friend?? Do u dislike black ppl?? U should get a treatment honestly u loosing it.. The first president of greece Ioannis Kapodistrias not albanian at all he was from the island of Kerkyra (Corfu). Apparently u mean about Pagalos who was a few yrs president and he was an arvanite and he wanted to united the two countries Greece-Albania to create a common nation. After the albos joining forces in the
@zincwad Well as for the Name of my grandfather its Alexandros, can u read this?? It means alexander, in english, oh wait its again an albanian word that means something in ur twisted head right?? NAHHH!! Alexandros mean protector of the men. Anyway for sure murat is the name of ur grandfather dear turkish - kneeling dog, as it is a common name for many albos. As well as the names enver, husein, hasan, mustafa, ali, mohamad, sali, seidan, sertan. All these names appear in albos and turks..
@zincwad PS, like that u actully teaching me english!! hahaha thank you, you are so kind with a villager, hahhaha malaka!! I will know teach u some word from ur mother tongue aka turkish.
@GioDun It is ok villagers need to be taught and actually present themselves with a somewhat decent vocabulary.See I am ALbanian and dont know what that means but you do.
@zincwad i am a greek there is no such thing as true or false greek. U r ridilolous claiming illyrian ancestory, calling dorians celts, saying Epirus is mongolian word, denying the fact that the majority of arnauts like u have muslim faith. U didn't even point me one scientific paper u actually read all these crap. Even wikipedia would be scientific enough compaired to ur assumptions from ur arse. Leaving in a village doesn't make u less educated. By this i get how close-minded and twisted u are
@GioDun Did I not say I am Catholic.Listen the claims I make are historical fact not just claims out of my ass.Unfortunately what you claim you can not support but you just deny.Whatelse can I say you are a fucking villager.
@zincwad In Greek mythology, the name of Illyria is aitiologically traced to Illyrius, the son of Cadmus and Harmonia, who eventually ruled Illyria and became the eponymous ancestor of the Illyrians. Did u get the point? U claimed nothing but crap from ur arse, u didn't point me one scientific paper with what u say, so zero points...
Greket jane popull i humbur! E shihni se si perfunduan tani me ekonomi? Nuk dijne te udheheqin shtet ata po nuk e paten nje shqiptar te ju tregoj rrugen dhe ti udheheq edhe sot. Jane futur ne borxh deri ne fyt dhe po pelcasin tani, kane jetuar me para te huazuara e qohen dhe bejne demostrata... Kane ngrene buken e huaj deri sot dhe i mbeti edhe e vetja ne fyt me ne fund. Kane qene askushi, hajna te gjuhes, veshjes, vendit dhe njerez pa identitet!
Cka lyp-gjen o popull i keq i ashtuquajtur grek!
Sthlm393 3 weeks ago
With all these videos you anti-Greeks are trying to convince people that Greeks are not descendants from ancient Greeks..in one video they are Albanians, in another Christian Turks and in a third one Slavs...concerning ancient Greeks you try to prove that they were either Egyptians or Indo-europeans or Arians or probably Ethiopians..or who knows what else..we hope some day you will come with the only safe and sound solution concerning our origin..Greeks are Greeks..until that day we salute you.
dimiballas 4 months ago
@dimiballas
Exactly. Losers that are so secure about their own identties and heritages they have to harass Greeks.
GemistusPletho 2 months ago
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YllusMC 4 months ago in playlist More videos from MikelDedGjoni
According to the video Greeks are Albanians not Christian Turks...
SirGeorge8600 4 months ago
If you go back to proto-turks times,you will clearly find too many evidences that shows troyans (tur-oya),lydians,and many anatolian civilizatons are Turanian descended.Turks didnt migrate to anatolia randomly,they turned back to their own lands(anatolia)After Troy war greek invaded our lands and assimilated,in fact anatolia have never belong to greeks,they were assimilated anatolians(Turanians)and many so called greek island today belong to Turanians(Turks) too.
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
Anatolia today (Iraq) ???? LOL
ataturk1888 5 months ago
More like the modern Turks are muslim Greeks. Sorry Turks we where here before you. You where in Mongolia. Thats why many of todays Turks in Aegean Coast have white characteristics and other Turks got almond eyes or darker skin in Anatolia. Do you want me to mention jenissaries? Cause those people definitely weren't Turks.
PhobosRevenge 8 months ago
@PhobosRevenge turks have lighter skin than greeks
NSWPHive 7 months ago
@NSWPHive Greeks and Turks are the same, the religion makes the difference
ataturk1888 5 months ago
@ataturk1888 Greeks from Northern Greece are lighter skinned/eyed i think but other Greeks are like Turks....many Turks are descendents of Balkan people(especially in the west Turkey) so they look white some are even blonde with blue eyes...but Turks from Eastern Turkey and maybe Central are not white but mongoloid i think.
orthodoxknight88 5 months ago
@orthodoxknight88 Mate, those from Eastern Turkey are mongrels with arabs/kurds/iranians. They are not White, but there are still non mixed White Turks in Anatolia. Mixed Turks are not white.
ataturk1888 5 months ago
LMFAO dumbfuck video by a dumbfuck turkalbanian whose national origins are still unknown to historians.. Dumb arab keep worshiping your Greek masters.
VonHellstein 8 months ago
SOT ESHTE DITA ME KEN TE BASHKUM SE KURRE, DHE ATA QE NUK E PELQEJNE KET VIDIO JANE TRADHETARE TE KOMBIT KU GJAKUN E KAN TURK-SERB-GREK RROFTE SHQYPNIA ETNIKE
KrenariaShkodrane 1 year ago
Again, who would be such an idiot to become a christian in an islamic empire unless he loved to suffer, if not the decendants of the Byzantine Greeks, many Turks are Greek decendants nowadays becaouse of the vast muslimifications, especially many of those of the coasts and instanbul are looking Greeks!!
ThanosAnim 1 year ago
this is true i m karamanli orthodox turk
in 1910 is 1 million orthodox turks immigradet to gayrreece
HristiyanTURK1 1 year ago
@HristiyanTURK1
hmm i think i agrees with you lol,
when the karaman turks converted to christianity?
TurkishIsTurkic 1 year ago
@HristiyanTURK1
BULLSHETT
MAYBE EXIST ISLAMIZED GREEKS
BUT CRISTIAN TURK NOT EXIST!OTTOMAN EMPIRE IT IS A HARD ISLAMIST EMPIRE
THE CRISTAINS IS A SECOND CLASS CIVILIAN
WHO OF THE TURK PREFER THE THE CRISTIANITY!!!
AND THE 1912 DONT IMMIGRADET ORTHODOX TURK
IT IS PONTIAN PEOPLE WHO LIVE THE PONTUS BECOUSE THE TURKS MADE A GENOSIDE
llleonidas1 1 year ago
this is false. just because some idiot wrote shit now u claim truth, fuck you
kaffir00 1 year ago
THE RELIGON OF ALBANIANS IS ALBANIANISM
zincwad 1 year ago
It's about nationalism, not ethnicity. A Greek may have both Greek and Albanian ancestors, but if he/she's born in Greece, then that is what they are going to fight for.
EdikShepherd 1 year ago
@cobone1 Ali Pasha was a Jew.
Elinitsam 1 year ago
@Elinitsam i guess he was an Albanian Jew then, no biggy...
arent you the one that so rigorously believes in a Jewish God and their fairy tales??
thats not even the worst part...
dont you have to believe in that Jewish God, and their fairy tales in order to consider youself a Greek(to BE ABLE to call yourself a greek) ???
damn, feel bad for you kid.
ValaDrinit 1 year ago
"Greeks came from Pontus"? I believe personally that you're wrong in this statement. Greeks did not originate in Pontus. They migrated there from west to east. First they lived in today's Greece before they traveled out east to Pontus. Do the people of western Greece look Albanian? Maybe some do but not most. Where did Albanians come from before? Could they have come from the Albania in the Lower Caucasus and migrated to the Balkans? By the way, that guy at 4:20 looks a lot like me.
Elinitsam 1 year ago
@Elinitsam That is a obsolete theory only supported by Serbian nationalists.It holds no currency in Todays world because as we all know it is false.
zincwad 1 year ago
@nolurqitme had more than 800.000 Greeks, and the population of Greece 2000 years after is just 10 millions, that means there lots of people who have Greek origin but they do not know it
terraprod 1 year ago
@nolurqitme Actually there were more.Just think that in the 5th centurey BC only the city of syracusa which was the biggest Greek colony in sicely and south italy had a population of 500.000 Greeks. South italy and sicely were full of Greek colonies now calculate how many greeks were in the colonies! Probably a million or a little less and then think if there were a million in the colonies of the west how many would be in Greece or the east colonies? Accept all that in its peak constantinople
terraprod 1 year ago
@terraprod bullshit, they wouldnt be able to support those type of populations.
in the middle ages european cities were made up of a few thousand inhabitants.
and during that time, i think it was only the aztecs whos city was inhabited by 1/2 million thx to corn and other agricultural foods which enabled the cities to support those type of populations.
ValaDrinit 1 year ago
@terraprod These are ancient Greeks.Ancient Greeks were never a united Nation.They only worked together when they could get riches like the siege of Troy.The Dorians,Thracians,Illyrians,Phygrians, and Semetics made up ancient Greece.Modern Greeks have no lineage with the ancients.
zincwad 1 year ago
@nolurqitme lol??why i am supposed to know this tribes? what great thing did they did? anyway the population of those tribes was not enough to geneitcally affect 20 million Greeks of the byzantin empire
terraprod 1 year ago
@nolurqitme i have never heard this tribes again. When they came to the balkans?
terraprod 1 year ago
@nolurqitme i knew you would answer that. Seriously now who you are able to understand my comments????
terraprod 1 year ago
@nolurqitme go learn some english idiot i cannot understand what you are writing go learn some grammar moron
terraprod 1 year ago
@nolurqitme yes tell me mr idiot why would a muslim become a chirstian in the ottoman empire? The muslims payed no taxes and they were respected by everyone they christians payed taxes, treated as animals and were slaves, so why a muslim would become an "infident"? Go learn some history. Free NORTH EPIRUS from albanian terrorism. Over 300.000 Greeks in south albania
terraprod 1 year ago
hey idiots if you knew greek you would see that it is excaclty the same language as the ancient one. I can read an ancient text almost without a problem. Even the expressions we use today are they same the ancient used to use. The Greeks did not marry other people because they consider them barbarians. Accept all that Greece throughout it is 5000 years and more history was conquered entirely only 2 times. By the Romans and the Ottomans. Albanians go fuck you back to the caspian sea animals
terraprod 1 year ago
during the Battle of Elli, Kountouriotis, frustrated by the slow speed of the three older Greek battleships, hoisted the Flag Signal for the letter Z which stood for "Independent Action", and sailed forward alone, with a speed of 20 knots against the Turkish fleet. Averof succeeded in crossing the Turkish fleet's "T" and concentrated her fire against the Ottoman flagship, thus forcing the Ottoman fleet to retreat in disorder.
JIMY45GR 1 year ago
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ethnic groops in turkey..major ethnic groups (large portions of whom have been extensively Turkicized since the Seljuk and Ottoman periods) include the Abkhazians, Adjarians, Albanians, Arabs, Assyrians, Bosniaks, Circassians, Hamshenis, Kurds, Laz, Pomaks, Roma, Zazas and the three officially recognized minorities (per the Treaty of Lausanne), i.e. the Armenians, Greeks and Jews
JIMY45GR 1 year ago
I agree about acting superior because even though ancient greeks had a great civilization they too were influenced by egyptians and phonecians just as these great peoples were also influenced by another civilization. But most of the other cultures you refer to recognize themselves as "greeks" regardless of what the govt tells them. We have an extremely rich greek heritage that we have a right to regardless of our origin and its sometimes hard not to be humble. :) except for that game with korea
koshtaki 1 year ago
I've posted the same message over and over again when reading stuff like this. There is no such thing as 100 percent pure race of peoples its impossible. otherwise they would all be pretty damm ugly. even the ancient greeks made no such claims of being pure greek. It wasnt about ethnicity or a line in the sand to separate two different looking people. They used their brains for other things like ummm being civilized and survival.
koshtaki 1 year ago
@koshtaki
Of course. But then, they shouldn't say their completely homogeneous and recognize the diversity of cultures that exist in the country, and stop acting superior over their neighbours.
pk000 1 year ago
@pk000
when you say modern greeks are nothing but turkish christians its just as dumb as greeks saying they are 100 percent descended from ancient greeks. If anything you yourself might contain more greek blood then albanian and you wouldnt even know it. Thats the balkans for you thanks to the Ottoman Empire.
koshtaki 1 year ago
Pershendetje MIk! Se fundmi kam gjetur nje dok leter te shkruar nga nje arvanit nga Suli .Vulgaris quhet i cili ka shkruar nje leter dokument ky ne arkiven e shtetit shqiptar, qe thote se edhe pasardhesit e marko Bocarit mendonin per shtetin e
gggggg561 1 year ago
By the way...anatolia is the peninsula of Asia minor, Modern Turkey
at least when u propaganded read some history book first, and do not take out of ur everything out of ur arse..Funny is that the uploader, actually sais greeks called albanians pelasgians.. all ur historic resources are based on greeks fucking haters!
GioDun 1 year ago
turks have never been christ u fuck
TheTurk4ever 1 year ago
haha greece your eceonomy is collapsed and these 3thrd world albanian Chernobyl chicken followers overtake you.Long live Turkey and Macedonia Vardar Pride world wide!
ESeskisehirsporTR 1 year ago
@ESeskisehirsporTR why u dont tell that the modernisation of turkey is because ur economy is since many many years financed bye EU billions ? ..haha
RedDeadRevolva 1 year ago
you are full of shite turkalbanian
progonolatreia 1 year ago
i am GREEK, we are GREEKS, we will always be GREEKS, nothing you haters say, write or sing about us will change that...
we are born GREEK and we will die GREEKS, descendents of the ancient GREEKS and Alexander The Great GREEK so fuck all of you yealous punks and fake wannabe Greeks
Makgreek 1 year ago
@jsckillab4lkilla
so what now what am i? Italian? lol cos deffo i am no turk or greek, be that in religion or tradition, language or mentality.. i am simply Albanian like most Albanians from my country and whoever feels Albanian..
i am sorry but it is 2010 and people are so ignorantd they do not understand what the 'term '' religion'' is and what it means, you boast about religion like most greeks and serbs, so u are of the same shit lineage.
blind, complexed and dumb in 2010. You are..
chessplayer100 2 years ago
@jsckillab4lkilla
of course i woudnt expect nothing other than retardation from someone of your calibre. you do come forward as a complexed twit!
for the record, i come from a christian region myself, christian catholic not orthodox, which means this region is christian since 2000 years ago, so is my family but those who believe in Albania and our history are my brothers regardless of their religious orientation..
i pity you!
you do not understand evolution and how times change people! :))
chessplayer100 2 years ago
@jsckillab4lkilla
do you understand that all you can do is hate Albanians only in YT.. everywhere you go, down your local, at your city nightclub, you run shit scared of Albanians and you can only show respect there.. here you bark like a gay dog! haha complexed square headed scared serbian whore! thats what you are! YOU ARE OWNED BITCH!!
chessplayer100 2 years ago
@jsckillab4lkilla
hahaha, sorry never looked your profile, thats how interesting you are to the world! lol
but you seem like a serbo-croatian, or maybe just an orthodick serb who calls greeks brothers cos u have have the same orthodick religion! LOL
i assume you are united with the gayreeks in hate against Albanians! haha.. u live in Norway, go and fuck with an Albo there.. well with an ethnic, i come from the heart, Albania.. we taste a bit bitter! :)) salut to my Albo brothers, shit to you
chessplayer100 2 years ago
@jsckillab4lkilla
when i said that you are obsessed with Albanians you are confirming that correctly! cheers! :))
in greece there's some unskilled Albanian immigrants unfortunately! you have nothing to offer them as a professional workforce.
i can guarantee you today in 2010 your women prefer more Albanian men ( Strong, Agile & Productive ;0) ) than gayreek men! i can confirm this cos Albanians love punani and greek women are @their disposal as your men are busy bumming each other! get it? lol
chessplayer100 2 years ago
@jsckillab4lkilla
my advice to you pontian greko is: you watch your country in the next decade when will be collp[asing bit by bit you have a fusion of asian and middle eastern immigration u cannot control!
i am telling you Albania is heading to be an EU country, our government is corrupted like all goverments, our country is amazing, ppl are healthy, fertility rate is best! YOU WORRY ABOUT YOUR NATION! Albania is better to live nowadays than gayreece today! GOOD BYE loser!!
chessplayer100 2 years ago
@jsckillab4lkilla
germans have fucked u on WWII, your papandreos is begging Angela Markel to shave her ginger German muff so he could save gayreece!! haha or Sarkozy, he has a thing for fucking ppl up, lol
greece doesnt have no political relations with no European countries! is against USA, UK and all USA allies, u do not recognise Kosovo yet when all the European powers do!
you as a EU nation also need a visa to travel to USA!! thats how much ur loved! DIA FAG BITCH!! lol
chessplayer100 2 years ago
@jsckillab4lkilla
there's a fact that Albania has a weak government, you are right, any other thing Albanians run it your country, Europe or anywhere.. we have the natural instinct for survival! you gayreeks are obsessed with us cos you fear us and you can never have the heart of an Albanian.. we're only getting better day by day when you pontian fuckers are 3000 years behind the world, ur a blind nation who is dying totally cos you cannot pay your debt interest anymore!! sell ur islands! LOL
chessplayer100 2 years ago
@jsckillab4lkilla
you are bragging about religion you knobish pontian vermin!
you are funny though, carry your jesus cross on ur shoulders cos u'll be salvaged! stjoopid! lol
talking about dick munchers! haha have you got a TV? aint ur PM sucking European cock so his country can avoid a total meltdown! 13% deficit!! haha.. for the next 30 years gayreece will work to repay its debts!
i predict u to come for work in Albania in 10 years time.. lol Die Bitch! haha
chessplayer100 2 years ago
@jsckillab4lkilla
listen to me you illiterate creature cos i can only see one DUMB schmack here and that is you!
no1 wants retarded opinions from bellends like you..
if you wanna argue/debate with fellow YT-ers about a subject post references here no pathetic heart aching bitchiness! lol
the only gypsies in Europe are asian looking greeks, which make up 75% of greek population as nn caucasian, your 25% white bit in greece shares same DNA with Albania today!
chessplayer100 2 years ago
@jsckillab4lkilla
Albanian population is the only population in Balkans with no origin, be that in language or else.. meaning we have been there since time can remember and we are like no other, language, traditions, costumes, folklore and mentality..
Albanian population is 96% homogenius.
Encyclopedia Brittanica ..
check greek population in Britannica what it says! lol it says greeks think they are 100% ancient greeks but reality is different, they are a cocktail of races.. go sleep pontian!
chessplayer100 2 years ago
@jsckillab4lkilla
Albania has never been an orthodox country? b4 the ottoman invasion Albania was Roman Catholic, you are dumb to think that..
when the ottomans invaded Balkans, you gayreeks along with serbs did not record one single major battle while Albania fought the turks for 32 years!! i am guessing you just opened your anus to turks! is strange how all u grekos all look like turks! find ur answers in
Encyclopedia Brittanica pontian!
your funny though...
chessplayer100 2 years ago
All you have to do is takeaway a letter or more from the end of these psudo greek prosfigi and you will see there real nationality
Example former psudo greek prosfigi primeminister
KARAMANALIS = KARAMAN = TURKISH
If you did this you will find a albanian a turk a vlach a romie yes there true nationality they are to ashamed to admit that they are a mongrol race
makluvot 2 years ago
@makluvot Yeah ok you idiot. You know how many Greek loan words the Turkish language has in it? Why dont you read a book.
DJVBasil 2 years ago
is this the best you anti Greeks can do? I am not impressed, I expected better bullshit....the team that put this video together is not very taleneted. I expected some ministry in the albanian government to do better propaganda than this crap....very disappointed
najaka5 2 years ago
greeks were arnavut, allban )
kumaner 2 years ago
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listen me,,,, this is another propaganda,,,, none can't beat us,,, we have history, the biggest in whole world,,, we are Christians,,, we have a purpose in this world as Helenism rises and Rises and none can't stop Helenism rising,,, the only good try is that you bring pakistans afgans in our country,,,, you want to loose our own language our nationality, this is the only way to beat Greeks,,,
let me tell you something,,, 2013 Coming,,,
nothing less nothing more,,,
GeorgeTheCretan 2 years ago 2
propaganda on propaganda..you make us laugh really hard when we see this kind of jokes...keep it up ;)
shaivista 2 years ago
in past i never hated greeks, i mean i had a kind of sympathy for my orthodox mates, but when i found out how they really are... hmmm. no thx.
arvanite albanian pride
halobed2 2 years ago
Greece and Turkey are very rich countries. Maybe rest of the Balkans could learn from them.
ss90ss444 2 years ago 2
It is only natural that many greeks mixed with the turks. They even have pomaks in Greece.
ss90ss444 2 years ago 2
very nice video thats true...albanians used to live in MORENE (todays peloponez).....i know a lot of arvanite from there in america .they speak old albanian language proud albanians and they are the pride that after that became a greek pride.
korcari4lifeshqiperi 2 years ago
actually albblessed, the ottomans never officially occupied the region of Mani, in southern Peloponnese. I think the only area which successfully resisted. and of course Greeks are mixed. who isn't. there's no such thing as a pure race. everyone had to come from somewhere.
JonathanGiann 2 years ago
hahahaha.
100% homogeneous population??
Did they really claim that? this is funny
Although the greeks are more mixed than this video lets on. Modern greeks, have albanian, slavic, vlach, turkish, and greegro-roman blood. I'm not sure how much if any of their blood is related to ancient greeks.
FlankerVT 2 years ago
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I already explained it to you.there was no other way be muslim or die. To me greeks did the right thing after the fall of the ottoman empire.They kicked out all muslims greeks and foreigns.That's a good move to greece.But in albania we are doing it on the democratic way.Islam is disappearing from albania slowly but surely
albblessed 2 years ago
Most of the greek population today is byzantine slavic, /i'm not sure how much of them are of albanian descent, but i'm sure it is not a small number.
FlankerVT 2 years ago 9
@Flanked VT less than a century ago in modern greece the main spoken language was the Albanian language.. research this so you don't to believe me! salut!
chessplayer100 2 years ago
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FlankerVT 2 years ago
@FlankedVT
i greet you and you call me asshole? lol
chessplayer100 2 years ago
sorry, i didn't understand what u were saying. My apologies. I will remove my previous comment.
FlankerVT 2 years ago
@FlankerVT
according to phonebook statistics around 4 million greeks are of Albanian descend today.. also adding that 25% of the greek population shares the same DNA with the Albanian population.. but whats more funny is that even Albanian speaking orthodox in greece today call themselves greek and deny anything Albanian because of the allegiance with the orthodox church.. retarded i know! :)) salut.
chessplayer100 1 year ago
so please do not tell me albanians were" gone with the winds".We were suffering the most dureig the turkish occupation.either greeks nor serbs
albblessed 2 years ago 2
turks occupied all greece but in albania they couldn't never gone to Dukagjini,Mirdita ,Himara and Zagoria.Those were the 4 provinces who turks never had a chance to get on.
albblessed 2 years ago 9
@albblessed turks occupied all greece and never gone to Albania? Why 80% of albanians are muslims then? Who converted them to islam?
Ali Pasha was an albanian and muslim.. Mohamet Ali of Kavala was an egyptian with albanian origin, and he was a general in Ottoman army. Do leave in dreams.. u r muslims cause u kneealed to turks.. u were actually the hunting dogs of the turks all over the balkans..
GioDun 1 year ago 2
@GioDun
You're an idiot!I never said turks never gone to albania.You're full of hate ,retard.
albblessed 1 year ago
@albARSEblessed return to ur cave where u belong to, and dream on. I am not full of hate albanians being muslims is a fact. As well as albanians beeing the hunting dogs of the turks is a fact. U are a mixed Greek-illyrian-turkish-gypsie race and now u trying to offend the greekness by saying all this shit on the net. Thank god history books exist and are not written by scums like u.
Cheers ignorant bitch
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun There are over 100,000 Greek Muslims in Greece who are ethnic Greeks.
A census in 1880 numbered the total ETHNIC GREEK MUSLIMS AT OVER 1 MILLION.
They were traded for Orthodox Turks during the population exchange.Please stop talking out of your ass.We Albanians always protected our IDENTITY not our religion because unlike Greeks you can not become Albanian through faith only by blood. Fan Noli,Gjergj Kastrioti, and Pretash Zeka Ulaj were all of Christian faith and fought for ALBANIA.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad in 1880 the Greek muslims were over 1 million where did u read this? HAHA in the albanian scientific literature portal? Orthodox turks, by this u mean greeks from asia minor? Maybe u should call them Orthodox ottomans, cause back then the word turks was not introduced yet. Becoming Greek means same blood, same religion, same language and same origin. Ofcource Albanians can not meet the criterion religion cause they are mulims 70%, orthodox 20% and catholics 10%.
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun The world Turk has been in existence since the 11th century defing the migrations from Mongolia.70% muslim?That was a Ottoman Survey done over one hundred years ago and the numbers were manipulated.Today Christians make up 70% of our natoin with the minority being muslim. The entire northern Highlands is catholic.You pretend to know something about our nation but you claim 98% of Greece is inhabited by Greek people.Albanians make up about 18% of Greece and we do not have one school
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad the word turk is in use by the anatolians turk only the last 100 yrs before this they called themselves ottomans or oghurs. Like they called Albanians arnauts. Albanians make up 18% of Greece? U include all the illegal Albanian immigrants who work, and eat bread in Greece in this? The Arvanites were Greek from the area of N. Epirus, and mooved to south Greece in 11 ct. cause of their strong Greek identity they take it as insult if u call them Albanians. As for sultans with greek
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun Any historian giving insight on the issue calls them ALbanian.They tehmselves call themselves Albanian but feel closer to Greece.Arvanite has the same meaning as Arauvut but the V is silent in Turkish. The fact is the Greeks owe us that much for freeing them from the Turks.
zincwad 1 year ago
@GioDun in Greece. You are suppose to be a European Union member but have the political and social structure of Iran. Albanians could not marry Turks.The Kanun did not allow us.However there is evidence of Sultans have Greek mothers.The only mixing between Albanians and Turks took place when they sent soldiers to rape village women which happend 4 times in Greece not even in Albania proper.The fact is if you call yourself orthodox you can be a Greek.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad mothers ofcource it happend nobody will deny this. Turks and Muslim Albanians were really famous for raping and stealing Cristian women. What u dont understand little brother is that in the Ottoman occupation religion was the most important factor for the life of a citizen. If muslim then no taxes, backhorse riding, killing cristians. If u were a cristian then jennysaries, taxes, rapes from muslims etc. As for the strugle all the Greek heroes i know are of Greek origin etc
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun Are you stupid? Give me ONE incident where Albanians muslims raped any christian women.They took the faith for those very reasons to avoid military service and no taxes.The fact is they were back curtain christians and still are!Do you realize how fast the conversion to Catholicism-rate is in Albania?
zincwad 1 year ago
@GioDun
Cypriot Muslims
In 1878 the Muslim inhabitants of Cyprus (constituting about 1/3 of the island's population, which then numbered 40,000 inhabitants) were classified as being either Turkish or "neo-Muslim." The latter were of Greek origin, Islamised but speaking Greek, and similar in character to the local Christians.The last of such groups was reported to arrive at Antalya in 1936. These communities are thought to have abandoned Greek in the course of integration.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad hands instead of goin to courts. Like the same thing we have in Crete and in Laconia which is called Vendetta. As for the Albanian war against Turk i remind u this, No fewer than 42 Grand Viziers of the Ottoman Empire were of Albanian descent. Its not bad to deny the islamic herritage of ur country. I mean if i visit Tirana ur capital, will i not see a mosque and muslim Albanians?
By all u were saying its clear how little intermarriage happened in Greeks, if someone converted to islam
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun The fact is it ran ramped in Greece.The fact is when they use the Term Ancient Greek there is a distinction to be made. You will see a mosque as you will see a Catholic church and a orthodox church.Do you realize Albania has two times as many churches then mosques.The fact is we do not care bout religion. The only faith I have is Albania.To be a Greek all you need to do is bow to the cross.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad u r completelly wrong little brother in cristianity is not the only matter to distinguish Greeks. I already told u same blood, same language, same religion thats what makes a Greek. In the Greek war of independence Greeks were actually fighting against muslim-Albanians under Ottoman control than Ottomans. Read what Mohammad Ali and his egyptians did to Greeks with the help of muslim Albanians. The same with Ali Pasha. Even ur here Georgios Kastriotis in the beggining was muslim
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun In the History of the ottoman empire there where only 2,000 Albanian soldiers The Balkans by Misha Glenny.Gjergj Kastrioti was a catholic who was forced to convert at the Ottoman court he soon came back to his religion.So you honestly believe Greece is 98% greek?
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad Ipirus is a turkish word?? And Epirotes were Illyrian? If Ipirus and Epirotes Illyrians how on earth turks gave name to a region they reached in 1500 ac? U are completely wrong.. Epirus is Greek word meaning vaste land. And epirotes were a Greek Doric tribe not at all Illyrian. There is no minority in Greece except the muslim minority. Having Albanians as immigrants doesn't make them a minority, they are just immigrants. During WW2 we actually took Ipirus but the Great forces of the
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun Epirus if anything comes from a Albanian word Haper.Haper means wide in Albanian. Homer calls the Epirotes Barbarians in his Iliad.Aristotle calls Alexander the Great off spring of Barbarians.His mother is from Epirus.Greeks called anyone who was not Greek barbarian and this is fact. George Finlay calls them non Greek.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad there is no point arguing with cause u r so brainwashed from the nationalistic albanian propaganda. Epirus is 100% greek word, and the epirotes were several tribes most of them greek like the tribe of mollosoi, where alexanders mother belong to. Aristotle was the teacher of alexander and himselve a macedonian, from the greek tribe of macedonians, and never called barbarian alexander. Demosthenes an athenian politician, because he was against macedonians called them barbaric.
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun Alexander could not speak Greek until he was 15 according to Aristotle. Macedonians were not a Greek tribe but became hellenized. The word Ipiros comes from the Mongolic word for the regions which was adopted from the ALbanian word Haperi.Mollosians where known to the Illyrians as Molsores in modern Albanian Malsores or highlanders. In Greek this has no meaning. Nationalism? Nope just fact.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad where on earth did u read that alexander couldn't speak Greek?? According to Aristotle or according to ur arse? Macedonians were a greek tribe mate all the way. Ipirus is a mongolian word? LMAO u have not basic knowledge of history, for sure u are educating urselve with videos from nationalistic albanian scums. All u talk about history and illyrians is written by greek historians, even the word illyria is mentioned by a greek historian, otherwise u would't even know it. Mollosoi has
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun Illyria is mentioned by countless historians apparently you are mentally disabled. Have you read any of the books of Aristotle he clearly states this.Macedonians and Epirotes were barbarians to the classical Greeks.They were not Greek. They sure as hell arent modern greek.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad illyrian is mentioned firstly by greek historians. HAHA aristotle is a greek, macedonias and epirotes the same. Bygres? Its spelled Bryges stupid ape no relation with the illyrians. Macedonians means highlander.. Molossus means tall! LMAO i am getting lessons of greek language by a young albo student. Ali pasha lived in turkey not in Epirus? His house is in Ioannina u illeterate turkish-kneeling dog. Dorians were celts?? HAHAHA!! Albanians were forced to go to turkey?? HAHA
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun Of course his house is in Epirus I never said it wasnt but he was raised at the Ottoman Court. The name Macedonain is the Greek Translation of the original name Emathia.Which in Albanian is emadhia means the Great ones.Apparently you have neever read about the population exchanges.Albanians arent Turks.....You are the ones who have foods such as baklavva and Gyros which are middle eastern to there core.You obviously need to get out of your VILLAGE.hahahah fucking villager
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad first Albanians came they were muslims and the converted to orthodoxy, nowadays u cannot actually realise that they are not Greeks. They are really wealthy, with good jobs and homes to leave in, thats what i call democracy. I wonder if Greeks came to work in Albania what would nationalistic scums do to them?..
Cheers
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun Your proved my point the fact is you try to assimilate the Albanian populations to make them Greek then claim them as Greeks.If Greeks lived in Albania and they do nothing is happening to them.They have their rights and their schools while the Albanians in Greece do not.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad Greeks in Albania are a minority since long time.. in Greece Albanians are just immigrants... Whats fatos? Baklava is persian, Gyros is Greek, Kebap is Arabe, loan-woards excist everywhere. Try to understand little brother, that cristian Albanians have closest relatives the Greeks thats a fact. The muslim ones intermarried a lot with the ottomans so the connection was lost. If u were a bit open-minded and not nationalistic u would see my point.
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun You see my point then.Names and foods are often exchanged when a nation gets conquered. Albanian muslims did not inter marry with Turks the kanun forbid it.Anyone one who did was regarded as a traitor and exiled from Albania. You are telling me not to use nationalism when you are trying to divide a people along religious lines when the division could not occur.Obviously you do not know what you speak.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad then he was trited as a muslim and a turk and did not belong to the Greek nation. The fact is little brother that Cristian Albanians are the closest nation to Greeks, the muslims are really close to the Turks. Anyway after the yrs of communism now its ur time for national awakening so its normal to beeing tought how supperior the Albanians are, in 50 yrs or something u will not be so much worried about the nationalistic ideas u have now.
Cheers!!
GioDun 1 year ago
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zincwad 1 year ago
@GioDunYou realize the few Albanian muslims left converted only one hundred and fifty years ago?So how could tis make any sense?I am taking a lesson on how not to be a Nationalist from a Greek...Priceless.There is not one Albanian school in Greece.You claim 98% of the Greek population is of Greek decent.This is not nationalism?Please leave the games to rest.....You obviously have not opened a book in you life... maybe you have but probably only of Greek authors or the oh so factual bible.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad and them recristianised to the catholic faith. U see little brother i ve opened lots of books in my life as well as Albanian Newspapers calling the greek area of Epirus Chameria and claiming it. If this is not nationalism and imperialism then what is it? Greek army could take N.Epirus in one day and we never make any imperialistic suggestions or dreaming of a Great Greece. Whats wrong with Albs and Fyromians claiming all day and night greek land?? Is this not nationalism?
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun During World War 2 did you not try to take northern Epirus?The epirotes were a Illyrian tribe.Ask any historian.Your word for Chameria is Ipiros which is a Turkric word for the region.You speak of nationalism and today there is still no minority in Greece.So shut the fuck up and learn to type in english because the fact is half of what you write is uncomprehendable.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad time favoured Albania instead of creating a Great Greece which they feared they could not handle. Instead they used the english foreign policy of dividing and conquer, which is based upon creating small countries with lots of minorities in them in order to be unstable and easy to manipulated.
GioDun 1 year ago
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zincwad 1 year ago
@GioDunThe fact is your tried to conquer land which wasnt yours.The Greek population in Albania migrated there during 1756 when the Ottomans attacked major ports along the Western Coast.They are not indigenous.The Albanians of epirus however have been there since the Bronze age.The Arvanites migrated to the Athenian region in the 15th century. Eeven if they were just immigrants then they still deserve rights just as the Greeks have in Albania.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad but that was political games and propaganda in order to unite the southern greeks agains the northern greeks. Greeks excisted in the area of N. Epirus since ancient times. From these ppl the Byzantine emperoros mooved populations to southern greeks the so-called arvanites. Billingual greeks from the area of Epirus with strong greek identity. We tried to conquer land in WW2 that it was not ours? We were liberating yous from the italian oak! What a twisted education u have..
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun The Illyrians roamed the Area of Epirus in large numbers before the Greeks ever did. We even took the measure to conquer Dodona again from the Greeks and kill the oracles that lived there. Tey were not Greeks but ALbanians from the northern highlands who moved to Greece after Shkodra fell in 1479. Alexandro Palas= Aleksander Pali.
Kryzieus?=Kryezi
There are no such thing as Greek Arvanites but ALbanians who adopted Greek culture.
zincwad 1 year ago
@GioDun You also bring up a interesting point.The flag of Greece was that of the East India company.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad dividing ppl according to their religion is not nationalistic at all its a fact. I am not pointing you to hate ur fellow muslim albanians, but truth is that they are heavily assimilated into turkish culture, because of their faith. Having communism so many yrs driven all albanians to have a loose sence of faith to a specific religion. Anyway thats not a matter to discuss. Ohh again this thingie with the flag of greece being the one of the east india company. Do u believe that back then
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun You can not define ethnicity on religious grounds that is asinine. The fact is they converted 150 years ago.No mixing occurred and only a few retain Turkish names today as they do in Greece today. We have always had a loose sense of religon.We had a catholic and a muslim commander at the battle of Deciq.We are Albanian first.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad no meaning in greek? It means "big" in the body.. First of all claiming ancestory from illyrians is not done only by albanians, its done by croatians and bosniaks, its not scientifically yet prooved that albanians have illyrian ancestory. Thracians and Phrygians were a former illyrian tribe? :))))))) the albanian nationalistic propaganda is doin a really good work with u. Thracians and Phrygians were completely separated nations from the illyrians. Greeks, thracians, illyrians and
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun Where did the Bygres live? They were the pre cursor people to the Phygrians. In ancient greek it does mean highlander you made up the fact that it means big. They were Illyrians. Pirro never fought the Illyrians. Alexander only fought the tribe of Illyrians on the macedon border for public opinion.Your view on history is obviously deluded.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad greeks even knew the east india company? Again u r lost in nationalistic albanian propaganda, that focuses only to discriminate anything greek and showing how big the albanian nation is. What about ur flag? Did kastrioti not copy it from the byzantine flag?
Ok lesson for u: the stripes of the greek flag are 5 blues and 4 whites for the motto in greek "freedom or death" (elefteria i thanatos), try it urselve. Blue is from the blue greek skies and seas, and white is from the snowcovered
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun Please go research the flag of the east India Company.You adopted the flag because the British used you as a satellite to eye the Turkish empire just incase it were to default on the loans the British gave them after the crimean war. The two headed eagle along with the goat and the snake are Illyrian signs copied by the Thracians.You could find these signs in the former city of Troy where Thracians and Phygirans a former Illyrian tribe lived.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad greek mountains and the white light of the greek sun. When i say greek sun i do not mean that the sun is greek ok??? :))) Anyway my conclusion is that its pointless arguing with u apparently u are really young and very nationalistic. You believe that all the missfortunes in ur country are caused from the greeks, and u ll be decent again if all greeks are wiped out from the map and u claim ur homelands once again. Well according to some greeks all the modern albania could be claimed as
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun It can not be claimed as Greek for one sole reason; it is not Greek.The Byzantine empire was a multi ethnic political structure which was lead by Illyrians,Thracians, and "Greeks". We Albanians do not claim all of Greece but what is ours which is Epirus.You can not call me nationalistic when you portray the same trait. You insult my intelligence when the fact is you said you lived in a village' Good one.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad phrygians are the so called Old Balkan Nations. Albanians converted to islam 150 yrs ago??? Sorry mate but Ali Pasha excisted was born 1740 and he was a muslim. HAHA greeks are a mixture of Albanian, slav and turk? when albos are pure? By this i can conclude how nationalistic crap u are. The Dorians were full illyriased? Where on earth honestly have u read these nonsenses? I insult u by saying that i live in a village? HAHAHA, i ve studied in the UK for 8 yrs believe i have more
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun Ali Pasha lived in Turkey he was born to Albanian catholic parents from Tepelena.The Dorians were Celts who travled through Illyria becoming Illyrianized.This is fat obviously you do not know this.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad greek land based on historic facts and assumptions from an arse. Is there a point doin so?? I ll tell u this.. albanians and fyromians are lucky enough that we are not like the turks provocing violence and claiming lands. Otherwise we would already occupie these lands.
Cheers little brother i hope someday u will open ur eyes and see what i am telling u from comment no1 greeks and albanians are the closest relatives in the balkans.
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun We are the closest relatives in the Balkans because modern Greeks are a mixture of Albanian,Slav and Turk.The Dorians migrated to Greece though Illyria fully Illyrianizing them. We have as much claim to Greece as you do today.The fact is you refuse to open YOUR eyes because you are blinded by Government agenda schools in Greece trying to sway public opinion.I live in the United States in Chicago the Biggest Greek minority city and they agree with me. They opened their eyes now your turn
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad educational qualifiers than u, since i already concluded that u have't even finished ur secondary education. We are the closest relatives because albanians were in large scale hellinised through centuries. Unfortunately this stopped when ottomans arrived and then u were islamised and then turkified. Nowadays it is estimated that 2,500,000 Turks are of at least partial Albanian ancestry, whereas 500,000 consider themselves Albanian.
GioDun 1 year ago
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zincwad 1 year ago
@GioDun Those were Albanians who were forced to go live in Turkey during the Serbian and Greek population exchanges. Albanians of the south were only Hellenized because of their faith which the Greeks hold as a staple to be Greek. Only 8% of Albanians consider themselves muslim with 70% claiming no religion.Obviously you can barely speak english, half of what you write is uncomprehendable.Where did you study in the UK, Guess where I went?
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad U albanians claim what urs? Epirus?? HAHA u are really young my friend and very nationalistic... if u want Epirus come and get it if u can. I wonder what would happen if the intentions were vise versa... Greek flag was adopted with the cristian cross and the blue colour was the symbol of the preatorians the stripes i have already told u. Albanian flag is from the kastrioti flag, who adopted the byzantine symbol cause he wanted to create another byzantine empire, simple as this.
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun It is not as simple as that because that is false.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad greek from chicago agree with ur nationalistic crap from ur arse? I don't think so..u are so cocky by the fact that u are leaving in a big city right? Well albanians are working in our fields in my village, so i guess there are albanians as well leaving in villages...I cannot bother with u, u r really young, ur education is twisted, for sure u believe any nationalistc video u watch in youtube. Educate urselve with scientific papers and then u ll have a proper knowledge little brother.
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun IN YOUR VILLAGE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
You are a fucking villager who has no food to eat.Please stop come on im am dying of laughter.First you tell me Albanians are wealthy in Greece now they are farmers?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.You are truly mentally retarded you can not sum a argument without contradicting yourself.I could fucking buy your whole village.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad albanians are wealthy and they are still working in our fields... U could by all the village?? HAHA with what ? crap from ur arse? Greeks work in US as janitors and prostitutes? Greek lobby is the most wealthy in US after the israeli one. U have illyrian blood ?? HAHA not at all my friend u are lucky if u have greek blood running in u.. But unfortunatelly u have turkish blood, from the knelling ur ancestors did in order to become muslims and gain power.
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun HAHAHAHAHAHAH The Greek Lobby?It could not get the United States to give it Aid when your economy collapsed.HAHAHAHAHA Strongest Lobby?You are obviously fucking stupid.No I dont have Turkish blood because I can trace my family lineage back to the 11th century by grandfathers with names.You Greeks however fail to go back 200 years where you will find your Grandfather was Murat Hukululugu.
You are from a village where they could not muster up to men to fight for anything.
zincwad 1 year ago
@GioDun I have gotten schooled at the top university in the United States.They have no bias because they do not care.This is what I learned not lies from youtube as you.I am not a Nationalist.I am a patriot.Nationalist believe they are superior like you Greeks.Albanians here own homes and companies.Greeks here work as janitors and prostitutes for mexican and black pimps.Please which university did you study in UK?
You fucking idiot villager.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad u are crazy, young, illeterate troll and apprarently u have been arse-raped by a greek.. Did u like it? Or u prefer ur own kinship, turkish cocks? Honestly faggot read some books, cause i am feeling i am chating to a phyco... Dorians = celts, u = illyrian, ali - pasha in turkey, not nationalistic..AHHAA take ur medicine picko gurba and everything is goin to be allright... Honestly u are the worst nationalistic albo i ve argued u are completely mentaly crazy...
Picko matere!
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun Illiterate means one who ca not read.Use the word in context villager.This is not even a argument obviously you do not known anything.A argument is when someone actually has a minor bit of evidence.You however are in denial.You have not given me facts just said no that is not right.You are from a village where in the winter you have to huddle together for warmth.I do not take Turkish dick that is your mother in the next room.Typical Greek women loving dark dick.It is apparent in
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad the italians in WW2 apparently greeks coulnd not see albos as friends anymore, but as what they are, bastards who unite with the strong in order to gain power. Unfortunatelly for albanian italy could invade greece and then greek troops kicked italians back even from N. Epirus. Pagalos is mentioned in all our books. I am from a village where in the winter we huddle together for warmth? HAHAHA come over here and i could huddle u, and serve u a village sausage with vains, u would like it!
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun See you are a true villager no education and likes gay sex.Listen faggot huddle one of your greek men not me.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad and u started with the mother thingie right? Ask ur mother why her name is emine, cause its the name they give in women when they raped by a turk... U are so funny HAHA u trace ur lineage iin 11th ct.? HAHA in what documents ottoman? Or maybe in all these books that u apparently have read and states that dorians are celts? HAHA malaka!!! Anyway i cannot bother with u anymore, u cannot discuss in a polite manner typically albanian, when lack of arguements.
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun hahahaha my mothers name is not emine do not confuse her with a greek.Lack of arguments.You are fucking stupid and you live in a village I proved my arguments and you could not come back with
zincwad 1 year ago
@GioDun in Chicago as well. William Peacock, George Finlay,Edith Durham, and Edward Jacques are not Albanian but they write this. the first president of Greece was Albanian and he could not speak Greek.You Greeks refuse to put him in text books because he is Albanian.Now tell me nationalism you village fuck.There is a reason why all you Greeks are brown like Arabs and share half their culture.It is a shame when a Turk thinks he is European.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad hahaaha honestly where do u find all these crap ?? Emathia is albanian word? OMG u are completely crazy. Listen i am writing how the facts are, and u keep on coming with all these nonsenses.. Honestly i ve never heard someone so brainwashed and twisted like u. Where do u read these staff? I am from a village and u are from chicago, which means that u are not even the balkan peninsula right now, and by ur saying muster uped as a man ?? HAHAHAA phycoooooooo!!! OK the pchycatriast said
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun You write not facts just lies.You claim the same things in your posts present citations or shut the fuck up villager.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad to reply to you in whatever you say yes.. Greeks are brown? HAHAHA u are also nazi my friend?? Do u dislike black ppl?? U should get a treatment honestly u loosing it.. The first president of greece Ioannis Kapodistrias not albanian at all he was from the island of Kerkyra (Corfu). Apparently u mean about Pagalos who was a few yrs president and he was an arvanite and he wanted to united the two countries Greece-Albania to create a common nation. After the albos joining forces in the
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun Are you stupid?Please research him.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad Well as for the Name of my grandfather its Alexandros, can u read this?? It means alexander, in english, oh wait its again an albanian word that means something in ur twisted head right?? NAHHH!! Alexandros mean protector of the men. Anyway for sure murat is the name of ur grandfather dear turkish - kneeling dog, as it is a common name for many albos. As well as the names enver, husein, hasan, mustafa, ali, mohamad, sali, seidan, sertan. All these names appear in albos and turks..
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
you are fucking retarded
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad PS, like that u actully teaching me english!! hahaha thank you, you are so kind with a villager, hahhaha malaka!! I will know teach u some word from ur mother tongue aka turkish.
Git sikish Orospu kaltak!
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun It is ok villagers need to be taught and actually present themselves with a somewhat decent vocabulary.See I am ALbanian and dont know what that means but you do.
Cause you are a "TRUE GREEK"?
hahahahah
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad i am a greek there is no such thing as true or false greek. U r ridilolous claiming illyrian ancestory, calling dorians celts, saying Epirus is mongolian word, denying the fact that the majority of arnauts like u have muslim faith. U didn't even point me one scientific paper u actually read all these crap. Even wikipedia would be scientific enough compaired to ur assumptions from ur arse. Leaving in a village doesn't make u less educated. By this i get how close-minded and twisted u are
GioDun 1 year ago
@GioDun Did I not say I am Catholic.Listen the claims I make are historical fact not just claims out of my ass.Unfortunately what you claim you can not support but you just deny.Whatelse can I say you are a fucking villager.
zincwad 1 year ago
@zincwad In Greek mythology, the name of Illyria is aitiologically traced to Illyrius, the son of Cadmus and Harmonia, who eventually ruled Illyria and became the eponymous ancestor of the Illyrians. Did u get the point? U claimed nothing but crap from ur arse, u didn't point me one scientific paper with what u say, so zero points...
GioDun 1 year ago
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@GioDun Again it has no meaning in Greek.
zincwad 1 year ago