So You Want To Fly Twins

[twhdvm]

capitalism just sucks, doesn't it cobrachoppergirl. Not everyone can afford to fly, for certain. But you have every opportunity to make money and achieve your dreams just as those who can fly and own airplanes have. Of course, you have to actually work for it, which is something you obviously don't want to do, so stop complaining.

[cobrachoppergirl]

I pretty much think all flying is one **** exclusive club for only the super rich. Everything about flying is obscene, from the cost of training and getting a license, to the fuel and the plane itself.

[JPH1786]

@cobrachoppergirl I fly, and I am by no means even wealthy, let alone super rich. It's priorities. I choose to fly instead of, say, buy a motorcycle or drive an expensive car, and the vast majority of pilots I know are the same way. We make a decent living, but none of the guys I fly with are by any means rolling in cash.

[pricelessppp]

is that fsx

[shrimpboatcaptain1]

whats with the stupid blue flight suit?

[AeroWarehousedotcom]

Two engines.. better than one.

[web7days]

If I were you, I will shut down the last engine and glide towards the runway until the plane stops on the runway.

[fanboybff1]

would some body tell me how to turn numbers blue plz

[fanboybff1]

i think it is a beach barron or an aztec .

[youngfart40]

Yeah ,I dont know why anybody would fly a piston twin. With a piston twin you are TWICE as more likely to experience an engine failure, compared to a single.

[assman12354]

are twin engine planes more likely to stall if both props fail? in the event a prop fails does this mean you only have a "glide path" with one engine? in the event a engine fails should you not do a go around on a single engine?

[JPerez1477]

what is the icao of the airport of sportys school?

[RainbowManification]

@JPerez1477 I believe it is Clermont County Airport (I69)

[Rcracer867]

What does feathering the prop mean?

[skipplet]

It means rotating the prop blade angles so they're parallel to the wind which reduces drag when the engine is stopped.

[chiccoka]

there is 1 lever usually blue what purpose is to change the bite of the prop from air.

Means during take off u need power so bite more from air.Strong power but less speed.

As u reached cruising alt u need speed not strong climbing so u can change prop angle.

U can imagine like a tread on a screw

small tread strong big sink more speed.

I hope u understood sorry about my English

[zahir82]

@Rcracer867 In Controllable pitch props, you can make the props go flat/feather them incase an engine fails so they don't create drag from windmilling!!!

[billville111]

The saying goes something like this -

On an engine out on a twin, that second engine will get you to the crash site.

[justforever96]

LOL 1:16 The "Ass-Ending" blade? That's just obscene. XP

[jonny2387]

just wondering if anyone could direct to a good website for diagrams of the the piper seminoles systems or anything piper seminole for my commercial checkride

[behindthen0thing]

the POH should have all the info you need in the first section i think "characteristics" . If that does not satisfy you i suggest goto the nearest FBO with maintenance facilities and if they have an applicable manual then just goto the various section of the maintenance manuals and read the description and operation of whatever system you are in curiousity about

[supertuber97]

funny how they show left engine out procedure initially and then land with right engine feathered. sorry but i loathe mistakes in training videos!

[behindthen0thing]

they show the left engine out first prolly then the other one landing cause the first plane probably crashed! LoL so it was take 2 hahaha

[brettthopper]

In the final shot of the PA23 landing, it showed the flaps down. In most light twins a single engine landing should be done with the flaps at 0.

[AlbinoChingChing]

hmmm very/ extremely observitive ...

sorry if i spelled that wrong

[bombers410]

Seriously, how hard is it to put counter-rotating props on an airplane??

[moss197]

Hard. And more expensive, the reason they don't do it as much as you'd think is that with a model of aircraft that has two differently spinning engines they are individual engines. Most twins are able to chop and change engines into each wing lowering manufacturing costs and maintenance costs.

[justforever96]

I wondered about this before. Airplane engines drive the prop through a reduction gear, right? And this is usually mounted to the engine itself? Why can't you just use 1 engine that can fit either left or right turning reduction gears? It would still be more expensive, and you'd still need 2 different-type props (unless you made 'em reversable, but I doubt that would be easy). If a car can move either way with just 1 little gear moving, why not? Someone must have tried this before.

[moss197]

Well it's an issue I guess of having yet another gear rotating in the engine. More friction, loss of power and that would mean having it on just one engine. So there would be new airworthiness directives aimed at the a/c etc. As simple as it sounds there are hidden complexities that shroud the issue in too much effort to be bothered! :)

[justforever96]

Well, not neccesarily. You could make two different gearboxes with the same number of gears, only opposite outputs. I guess that would mean at least one would have one extra gear that wasn't really needed except to equalize the output power, or one prop would have slightly less power than the other. But it's been done before. I suppose the question is whether it would be cheaper an lighter to just pay to have 2 versions of the same engine, with opposite rotation instead.

[behindthen0thing]

all aircraft are works in progress and have SB's as well as AD's. Having a counter rotating gearbox i doubt would make it have more than average AD's.

[behindthen0thing]

not all aircraft have reduction gearboxes on recip engines. yeah the engines themselves always turn the same way , the only difference in a LTIO, left turning engine is the gearbox. And yeah the Reduction gearbox is in most cases, Part of the engine itself

[justforever96]

"The engines always turn the same way"? Meaning on a specific plane both engines spin the same way, or all aircraft engines? I know that making a piston engine rotate in reverse is not that hard. With a new camshaft and adjusted timing, an engine can spin either way, especially with older engines. I may be totally wrong, but I had thought that the P-38 had opposite rotation Allisons, the 2nd being the V-1710-R. But maybe that just refers to the gearing, since it comes from the factory that way.

[justforever96]

What does LTIO mean, anyway? What you mean is that what I was saying about the Allisons is wrong, and both engines spin the same way, but the gearboxes are different? I guess that makes sense. The "R" must just refer to the gearing.

[behindthen0thing]

oh LTIO means "Left hand turning, Turbo charge, Injected, Opposed engine (opposed being the pistons horizontally opposed).

For example On a piper chieftain would have

A TIO540 - J2B on the left side and an LTIO-540-J2B on the RH side. To answer your one question I've never heard of an engine that was reverse turning that wasn't done through the gearbox. About the allisons I'm not sure but Most likely its still gearing.

[justforever96]

Yeah, I know about opposed-engines, but thanks anyway. So, if all engines do turn the same way, which way is that? Funny I'd never thought about it before now, since engines are one of my numerous passions. I'm PRETTY sure that an engine turns clockwise (usually) when looking at the output shaft (i.e. in a pickup truck, when you are driving, the engine is spinning clockwise.) I'm sure that there are different types, but now I'm curious. Thanks for the info, anyway!

[behindthen0thing]

i'm sure not ALL ENGINES turn ALL the same way, But Its pretty safe to say that your Lycomings and Continentals will have the crankshaft all spinning the same direction, just if its counterrotating it will have a designation and it is done in the gear box, not through reversing the Mags and crankshaft. All of the accessories are driven on the engine like oil pump, tach gen, vac pumps, etc. They are interchangable as far as i know

[C172Pilotdude]

Even though having counter-rotating props on a twin of any kind it the obvious better choice, it increases the cost of maintaining the aircraft. If both props are spinning in the same direction, both engines use the same exact parts that can be swapped from one side to the other. If the props are counter-rotating the parts on the left will not be compatible with the right.

[texNoz]

I don't understand your logic mate.. I've NEVER robbed anything from any of my engines to "donate" to the other... It's my understanding that the engines need all their parts? So what difference does it make? So if your left engine loses a cylinder, do you replace it with the one from the right engine??

[justforever96]

I think it's more a question of SPARE parts, not cannibalizing from the other engine. One can keep 1 set of common parts and not worry about paying for two if you only need one. And buying 100 of the same engine to make 50 planes is cheaper. Then, when the world ends, or if you get "Flight Of The Pheonix-ed", you can hopefully get at least one engine working out of the 2, or re-use old parts. If you disagree, then why do YOU think they don't often use counter-rotating props? Govn't Conspiracy?

[behindthen0thing]

LOL exactly. and the cylinders would be generic anyway, the only thing not transferable would be the prop, or gearbox parts or the whole engine itself to the other side. I've worked on twins for years, some are counterrotating like PA-31's, and there is really no reason to rob one engine to the other, because you still would have a disabled engine! LoL

[ruiforuifo]

nice video!! tks for sharing

[umahuma4]

is it this hard to get a jet rateing

[HunsV]

Getting rated to fly jets is a hell of a lot harder and more expensive than getting rated to fly a piston twin. Turbine time is really expensive. You'd have to get your private, instrument, commercial, multiengine, ATP, then hope to get picked up by an airline (which is really hard and pays less than working at McDonalds until you have been at it for years.) If you are extremely bright you have a better chance joining the air force/navy and having them train you (but they're best-of-best only.)

[Omid45]

you have the right idea but it's not that strict. You can become a CFI and build a lot of hours and get paid for it, and then work for like fedex, skywest, or ups or somehting like a cargo airlines for a while.

[N626DM]

In my opinion , I think a Piper Seminole is the best trainer , although at most aviation colleges the Seminole's are being replaced by the Diamond Twin Star.

[flyingidiot357]

i thought this video was something else that involved twins.:(

[drumdude46]

normally i'd flag and spam this; give it the Thumbs down, but............LOL hilarious. good one.

[ecktoeman]

Nonsense, A Duchess will maintain 4000'-5000' MSL at gross on one engine. They're great trainers, very forgiving for a light twin.

[pubu12345]

Beechcraft Duchess BE-76

[maxpower1870]

I fly a Duchess and it flys great on one engine plus it has counter rotating props so no p factor

[gnarkillkicksass]

If you hear the words "asymmetric training" and either "Partenavia" or "Duchess" in the same sentence take your money and RUN!If you got the money, try find a Baron or a C310 especially if your doing a MECIR something like a Duchess will only teach you that the other engine is going to fly you as far as the scene of the crash.

[capsaicinrain]

thanks, I am only 16 years old but i plan to take flying lessons once i graduate, and I would love to fly twins...

[3ofp3nt1cl35]

try ground school im 14 and done it twice!!!

and ive got 13 hours of flight time[with a piolit]just waiting for my solo

[rubber314chicken]

why would you do it twice, at 14? that is a waste of money because you are gonna forget that stuff before you solo at 16 (IF you get your medical) and finally get your license at 17. There is NO reason to start before you are 16.

[3ofp3nt1cl35]

because the first one i bought my self because i mow yards all summer.and i love to fly.

[Owashu]

If your trying to talk since to a 14 year old hears how you do it. when i was 14 i spent all my money on pot instead of an eduction. and look at me now. im 28 and live with my parents.

do you know how hard it is to get laid when you bring a girl home to your parents!

[crazyryan]

flying is better than a stupid girl.

[3ofp3nt1cl35]

i do to!!!!!!!

tins are the shizzzzz

[capsaicinrain]

was that red plane an old piper?

[SportysVideos]

There are two Piper Aztec's used in this video: an Aztec B model and Aztec E model.

[kekierachet]

i tink singel engene planes are easear ta fly, and twins are for advanced pilots olny. @SportysVideos

[drummerdude6485]

Cool!

[BCairsoft]

Awsome Video!

[hammerogod]

Yeah!

Jump out of your C-182 and grab a handfull of C-421 or a Beech Baron.

[RCSKULLY]

Good stuff. :)