If anything you have to give those jews some credit. They managed to do what the nazis failed utterly at, and still make the world believe that their victims are actually the criminals.
I've been to America, it's fucking massive for it's population. They should have really let the israelis live there. Ideally they should have given them Germany. First they'll have to broadcast Richard Dawkins to the population, get them to realise the holy land is worth it's weight in shit.
personally if i was jewish i would have settled for madagascar or southern sudan, the land is huge, the weather is great and there's not a lot of people.
he dislikes Israel but he is making his fortune writing about Israel and talking about Israel. its contradictory. Why don't you move to the Iran or Syria and see what is to live there? and then compare any of those countries with Israel. Not a single one contribute nothing to the world as much as Israel does. Your criticism and stupid argument will die with you and Israel will be Israel, do you think that your books will be read by our children years a head? NO. Israel will stand forever!.
How often in history does the opressed become the opressors?
yes the jews were opressed at one point in history, it was terrible. HOWEVER, people act as though that should be a blank check..
Any questioning of the actions of Israel is written off as anti-semitic, often by people who would gladly use terms like "Sand nigger" to describe the palestinians
The man of peace who dinies opologizing to those poor peopel and killing them. And showng no trust to anyone and sending spies to other countries especially USA .
Do u think with all these crimes, the god will be peased with that.. And what kinda religion to ask the people to descriminated and against people even if they unarmed
Yea right .. The man of peace Sharoun, come to pilestenian cites to crush thier homes, kill the ones they love,and kill children without any remorse, And this guy is talking abt African american . Well the USA didnt do all things that Isreal does in dairly basis. Even when Selahdean take Jarsalam, he didnt harm citizen He even forgive some people who didnt have the money to pay for the funds and let them go to another places with protection . comparin 2 Isreal . this pple cowards. .
Watch this on youtube also: Search Prager University: Is Israel an Apartheid State? Learn how Arabs in Israel enjoy freedom in Israel and have equal protection under the law; see successful Arabs in Israel; see how an Arab judge rightfully sentence a former Israeli leader to jail for rape yet not one complaint from it's citizens. See the difference between Arabs in Israel and those who are not in Israel.
Great comment. For a hypocrite like Chomsky to insult a democratic state like Israel, all while defending and apologizing for brutal dictatorships, is absurd.
@thefakeyeti Nah most of 100,000 Iraqis were killed by insurgents than Coalition forces.
Saddam wasn't complying with UN resolutions following a ceasefire from the 1991 Gulf war. A ceasefire means as long as they abide by certain conditions which they agreed too. If they violate those conditions, the war resumes. You don't even need to get more UN resolutions or permission since we have a VETO power.
You can't just kill Saddam Hussein, you had to take out the whole party there.
@Hperman09 "Nah most of the 100,000 iraqis were kiled by insurgents than coalition forces" Call it blow back, it was ultimatly OUR actions that lead to that.
Noam Chomsky repeatedly denied the Cambodian genocide and claimed that "the 'slaughter' of the Khmer Rouge was a New York Times creation." He is the moral equivalent of a holocaust denier. Chomsky's "anti-zionism" it is a PR victory for Israel.
@TheTollundWoman Chomsky has a following like many Cult Leaders; he makes him self sound smart and misquotes people all over the place. There is a great site which actually uses Chomsky's words in context so Chomsky roasts himself. Google Chomsky Watch; they do a great job of exposing this loser..
And in the meantime . . . the Palestinians are just sitting quietly, making daisy-chains, and just wishing Israel would stop his targeting of innocent civilians?
Mr. Chomsky is a conspiracy theorist and a socialist who has terribly distorted views of the world and the occurences therein. He is an ignorant pessemist and is to smart for his own good, or beleives he is smart. He isn't in the least bit respectable and is not an intellect. Instead he is insane. He recieved much of his views from his uncle who didn't make it past 4th grade. He was raised a Jew but is an anti-semite.
@MrRugger12 wow, you really raised some valid points there. oh wait, no you didn't, you made childish claims based on nothing instead of trying to refute some of his points. if you disagree with what he's saying, try to disprove any of what he's saying. go on, try it. didn't think so.
@MrRugger12 haha that's why he is the most important living intellectual alive? Read a book, stop watching Glenn Beck or whatever corporate troth you get your information!
Mr. Chomsky is a conspiracy theorist and a socialist who has terribly distorted views of the world and the occurences therein. He is an ignorant pessemist and is to smart for his own good, or beleives he is smart. He isn't in the least bit respectable and is not an intellect. Instead he is insane. He recieved much of his views from his uncle who didn't make it past 4th grade. He was raised a Jew but is an anti-semite.
@oldstock1607 What are the Palestinians to do to defend themselves. Their not getting weapons and aid from America and other western countries. Europeans calling themselves jews started this in 1948. Their descendants are going enjoy the curse and consequences of stealing other people's land.
@arronnov Wow. It really seems that the world is convinced that the Palestinians are just some laid-back, peace-loving "freedom fighters," constantly getting fucked around by these land hungry "zionists." The point that the Palestinians understand, and their white, western, leftist sychophants always seem to miss, is that this is less about territory, and more about religion and race. Jew-hatred is a PILLAR of Islam. Don't let them convince you that it isn't.
@oldstock1607 No its all about land imperialism colonialism and self determination. I'm of African decent and understand this quite well be raised in America and see the action towards African people across the planet Americas and our homeland of Africa. Under your thoughts black hatred and control would be the pillar of western white civilization and its Christian/Judaic base or foundation. Which has been used as justification for stealing deceiving murdering and killing among black people.
@oldstock1607 I don't follow or believe in Christianity Islam and Judaism. These man made religion have brought death destruction chaos and control to black people. I am the decedent of the oldest groups of people on this planet. They never followed these mind control religion. They had spiritual ways of life giving honors the universals force which manifest its self in the many facet of nature.
@oldstock1607 I understand the aspect of balance or karma of the universe. You shall receive what you put out every action gets a opposite and equal action or you reap what you sow. Western white civilization aka America Israel England France Spain Portugal Germany Netherlands Russia and etc will not escape this fact.
@oldstock1607 This Christian mindset of letting your enemies do what they want and wait for justice when you die is not apart of African history. Atonement and justice is a part of African culture history. When you do somebody wrong you make atonement and make it right. This is not apart of Western white civilization DNA the past 2000 but especially the past 600yrs til today. The mindset and believe of the majority of white men is that this planet belongs to them at any cost.
@arronnov So many holes in this racist babble! We are one species, white men are just men with lighter skin tone. Every ethnicity committs heinous crimes due to what I can only see as selfish greed. All nations act in self interest, enabling individuals to do likewise as unfortunately those with greater rmoral eptitude seem to be unlikely to climb the rungs of power, as such a path appears untenibly abhorrent or those moralist that do become compromised or were just previcators to begin with.
@MrCulty I'm have to disagree with you.Western white civilization hasn't been able to get along with anybody 360 degrees this planet.Every where whites have gone their mindset and worldview is that they have to control and rule at any cost.No empire or civilization outside of Europe has a record or history like thisThe western white mindset is that it is absolute with truth.If you don't accept this paradigm then something is wrong with you. Which means your a enemy who must be killed and control
@arronnov Ghengis Khan followed by his sons, The Japanese during the 30's and 40's,iraq invaded kuwait, the Aztecs certainly weren't too kind to their neighbours. Also tribal africans haven't been exactly getting on ever so take your head out of your ass and wake up. Nothing is wrong with me for disagreeing with you, I don't agree with alot of the things in this world forexample killing, subjugation, deprivation, greed, fear mongering, off the walls racism, noone will silence me though.
@MrCulty Ghengis Khan Japanese or anything outside of Europe compare to the damage destruction and chaos whites have done 600yrs and counting doesn't compare at all. When you bring death to the environment including humanity there is some serious issue that. Western civilization has done this with every group on the planet its had contact. There's not one exception even among their own.
@arronnov Can't see why your pertaining these attribute mainly to whites unless you can't see the world isruled by force, those in power lack empathy and if african, asian or any other creed, nation or culture 'ruled the globe' it would scarcely make a difference unless they championed pure libertarian socialism. Let's face it I'm not standing up for the white man,I'm Irish myself(the blacks of europe) and we are continuously getting shafted by whitey, don't see how darky would be any bettter
@MrCulty Tell that to Muammar Gaddafi Robert Mugabe Patrice Lumumba Kwame Nkrumah and other numerous leaders past and present in Africa and outside of the western white world. It has been white men who's have a issue with others being self determining self consciousness and self realizing. The world view paradaigm and lust to control everything by the majority of them has this planet in death destruction and chaos. The western white way of doing all things is the only way or else!!!
@lionsare Actually, the crimes of the palestinians outweigh those of the jews 30 to 40-fold. Let me guess...getting your information on this conflict from Al-Jazeera?
@oldstock1607 The crimes of the Palestinians? The crime of living in Palestine for close to two thousand years + then being expelled from modern day Israel by european+ american jews from 1948 onwards? The crime of having their homes bulldozed by Israeli tanks? The crime of being routinely bombed+ shot by Israeli "settlers"+ IDF planes + soldiers? The crime of being driven off land they had lived+ worked for centuries by recently arrived jews from Europe+ the US.
@070911021302 Actually I was thinking more of things like: using human shields, firing rockets from schools and hospitals, perpetrating suicide/homocide bombings on a regular basis, firing rockets into civilian settlements without regard to human life, Kidnapping, hijacking, torture, murder,
and perhaps worst of all, raising their children in an atmosphere that can only be described as a death-worshipping terror cult. More like those kinds of crimes. these people have ZERO moral mandate.
@oldstock1607 yeeaahh right and all this comes just outa nothing because the normal palastenian woke up in the morning and instead of going to a party with his friends he just decided to become a terrorist RIGHT???
by your logic the nazis had all moral right to whip out the warzaw ghetto because the people attacked first the poor german ss soldiers
by the way next time instead of saying ZERO moral mandate say what you really mean say untermenschen
@AdrianDeMoxica23 no, I wouldn't say that the "nazis had all moral right to whip [sic] out the warzaw [sic] ghetto because the people attacked first the poor german ss soldiers." You know who would?
The Palestinians.
In the future, I suggest that you, and the rest of the palestinians' fawning, leftist sychophants refrain from bringing up the nazis. Not only is the comparison a tired and inaccurate one, but it is well-established that muslims (and palestinians in particular) admire the nazis.
@CrapOfTheWorld What the fuck are you on about? I don't even know what comment i've made that has your cotton panties in such a twist. be SPECIFIC, son. I'm not a fucking mind-reader.
@oldstock1607 You think that the majority of Palestinians support the Nazis based on no evidence. I called you out on this, and your response was to call me a 'Paki' and a 'parasite', again based on no evidence. You don't need to be a mind reader to work out that you're failing desperately here, you just need to use your own mind.
@CrapOfTheWorld No, I truly believe that the majority of Palestinians admire the nazis. And why wouldn't they? Hitler killed millions of jews, which is something that many Muslims, most of all the Palestinians would love to do. And what is up with Hamas and Hezbollah giving the "heil" salute? If you really want to hear Palestinians openly admiring the nazis, all you have to do is open your ears. Most are remarkably candid about it. And I just have to ask, do you REALLY not believe that there is
@oldstock1607 no admiration for the nazis and Hitler in the Muslim world? or is it just an "inconvenient" fact that there is, and you feel you must disagree with me on some bogus principle? The evidence to support what I'm saying is out there, all you have to do is open your eyes and ears.
@oldstock1607 Believe based on what? Have you ever been to Palestine? The people there do not want to kill millions of Jews. They want their land and their country. They want Israel to end their illegal occupation and stop murdering their civilians.
I have no doubt that there is a minority of extremist Muslims who admire Hitler (although it's more common for them to deny the Holocaust), but this is a direct result of Israel's policy regarding Palestine. Every innocent that they kill
@CrapOfTheWorld Come on, man. If you know anything about Islam, then you know that there is a LOT more going on in the Israeli-palestine conflict than land. Anti-Judaism is a fundamental tenet of Islam (and I will always stand by this statement) You can see this in the Qur'an, in the hadith, in the words of muhammad, and throughout history. I am not a supporter of Israel OR the Palestinian state. That land is going to be contested forever no matter what. But if the Israelis were to pack up their
@oldstock1607 belongings tomorrow and move en masse elsewhere, you know that Muslims (Palestinians included) would follow them there and keep the conflict going. There are 2 sides to this conflict, and to portray the Palestinians as perpetual victims is a gross oversimplification. It has also not escaped me that supporting the palestinians is some do-goody-good, white, western, leftist trend, perpetuated by those who have an extremely shallow, and often anti-semitic, view on the matter.
@oldstock1607 Actions by Hamas etc. are destructive to the peace process also. But when there are 300 Palestinians killed for every Israeli casualty, and Palestinians are condemned for not recognising the right of Israel to exist (when Israel not only denies Palestine a right to exist, but occupies their territory) it's clear to see which side is more accurately described as the victim.
And what in hell do you mean by 'Muslims would follow them'? They have nothing to gain by that.
@CrapOfTheWorld If the Palestinians had sovereignty and the occupying forces were removed, the violence would stop almost overnight. It's Israel's extreme nationalists and religious fundamentalists that are stopping this from happening.
@CrapOfTheWorld Do I have to bring up that tired ass hadith about the end times when Muslims will kill all Jews? Or the derogatory things said about Jews in the qur'an? You are familiar with these, yes?
@oldstock1607 Anti-semitism is not a fundamental tenet of Islam. Historically, Muslims and Jews have had conflict, but that was actually coming close to an end at the start of the last century. The Shah of Persia in the late 19th century even suggested that the Jews buy land to settle in the middle east. The main cause of anti-semitism in the muslim world is Israeli foreign policy. Not religion. And I'm not portraying the Palestinians as 'perpetual victims'.
@CrapOfTheWorld Sorry, but anti-judaism IS a fundamental tenet, indeed, it is the sixth pillar of Islam. I'm sure you know this. Books and theses have been written on the subject, movies have been made on the subject--this fact is not in question by any credible scholar. The only evidence that I assume you have that Anti-judaism is not a fundamental tenet of Islam, is muslims saying that they are not anti-jew. And I know this is going to surprise you, but the muslim wolrd is less than honest
@oldstock1607 about several facets of its history. And you bring up a fine point about the violence stopping. I should also add that if the Palestinians actually WANTED the violence to stop, they could easily make it stop. They refuse. The simple fact is that they hate the jews moire than they love their own children.
@oldstock1607 A book or movie being written on something does not make it true. Can you provide any evidence to suggest that no credible scholar questions this? Is Mark Cohen, the Princeton professor who wrote that modern Muslim antisemitism was brought to the middle east by nationalist Christian arabs and only then islamicised not a credible scholar? And you are incredibly naive if you think that if the Palestinians stopped resisting the occupation that everything would be just fine. Are they
@CrapOfTheWorld Supposed to submit to their occupiers, and accept the fact that they can't vote, travel on Israeli buses, have to be searched when they go into town, and live with access to trade dictated by Israel? Is that seriously your solution? And no, you don't have to bring it up. But you did, so I'll bring up Exodus 22:20 which commands the Jews to kill everybody of non-jewish faith. Or Revelations, which, as I'm sure you know, goes into great detail of the suffering of non-christians
@CrapOfTheWorld after the apocalypse. You cannot judge a religion by the beliefs of its most fundamental believers. Islam is actually going through somewhat of an enlightenment today, although it isn't helped by Israel's antagonism fuelling fundamentalism. A broad support for secular democracy is spreading across the arab world. This is not a people who are clinging on to religious fundamentalism. Rather they are being liberated from it.
@oldstock1607 The ratio of Palestinians to Israelis killed is often 100:1. Israel is engaged in an illegal+ brutal occupation of Palestinan territory that has gone on for over FORTY years. Illegal military occupiers have no legal rights. Israel routinely bombs Palestinian terrotories, kills civillians, has regularly bombed+ invaded Lebanon, illegaly occupies the Golan Heights + has thousands of Palestian+Lebanese prisoners, many who were kidnapped+ are held without trial in its secret prisons.
@070911021302 All propaganda. No nation has strived harder to respect human rights, obey the rule of law, and minimize human casualties than Israel has in that forty years. But of course, when you are living amidst some of the most unhinged Muslim terrorists on earth, some eggs are going to get broken. Ask yourself this: what would the region be like if the Jews were a powerless minority living among the palestinians? Again, to you, and everyone else, the Palestinians have ZERO moral high ground
@oldstock1607 Propaganda? These are facts. The behaviour of Israel towards Palestinians in the occupied territories is akin to South African apartheid...which is not surprising given the alliances between the two countries during the aparthied era. As for the Rule of Law, I think Israel is in breach of more UN resolutions than any other country in the last 40 years. The region would be vastly improved if Israel observed International Law... Left Palestine to the Palestinians+ freed Jerusalem..
@070911021302 And again, you are falling into the Chomsky trap of moral relativism. You are keen to point out the crimes of Israel, while wearing blinders to the crimes of the palestinians. Unlike the Palestinians, the israelis actually DO try and adhere to international law. My point was that this is a truly difficult task when your opposition is driven by a virulent RELIGIOUSLY-INSPIRED anti-semitism. Yet you say nothing of palestinian Arab racism towards the Jews. As I said before, how do you
@oldstock1607 think the palestinians would treat the Jews if the situation were reversed? You have said ntohing about the palerstinian perpetration of suicide-homoicide bombings, their use of human shields, the firing of rockets from schools and hospitals, as well as kidnappings, murder, assasinations,torture, etc, etc, etc. If the Palestinians were to cease their beligerence, not one more Palestinian would die. NOT ONE. But their eternal hatred of the Jew forbids this. This has nothing to do
@oldstock1607 with land.The palestinians simply hate the Jews more than they love their own children. When was the last time you heard of a jewish suicide bomber entering a primarily palestinian area and killing civilians? And the whole "international law" nonsense--the UN, if you haven't noticed, is, and has for decades been, a corrupt, criminal organization staffed by communists and terrorist sympathizers. A muslim extremists' greatest allies are to be found in the UN, and they know this. Look
@oldstock1607 at their latest resolution to add palestine to UNESCO. Here is a people who have made no contribution to the earth other than terrorism, violence and destruction, being placed on the world's premier organization for the promotion of culture, education and science. Why? simply to flout their ability to do so in the face of Israel and the U.S. and that is the ONLY reason. You dislike my statement about "broken eggs." that's fine. But what do you think a palestinian would call the
@oldstock1607 death of all the world's jews? I'd bet it would be something akin to "awesome." If you doubt that this is not about land but rather race, I suggest you look at the Hamas desire for all the world's jews to move to Israel, so they don't have to hunt them all down when the time to genocide them comes. face it, you THINK you are denouncing criminals, but in reality you are defending some of the biggest moral irreptrobates on the face of the earth,
@oldstock1607 This has EVERYTHING to do with land. If there was no illegal Israeli occupation, the problem would be essentially solved. The expulsion of Palestinians and the creation of a million refugess was all about land; as was the siezure of Gaza, West Bank, Golan+ Jerusalem and the building of illegal settlements+ . The aim is to create a greater Israel comprising modern Israel, Jersualem and much of what was biblical Israel in what is modern day Palestine. David Ben Gurion knew this..
@oldstock1607 I have unfortunately seen and read about the regular Israeli army bombing + shooting of Palestinian civillians. The Israelis have a huge and heavily armed force that can and does target+ kill Palestinian civiilians at a far greater rate+ infintely higher number than any suicide bomber could achieve. In the 2008/2009 bombing of Gaza over 1000 civillians were killed by Israeli (phosphorous) bombs including over three hundred children... Who are the extremists+ terrorists??!!
@070911021302 I see that you are living in the UK. Is it safe to assume that you are a Muslim? Or are you a white, western leftist for whom defending the palestinians has become a sort of cause-du-jour? Again, we seem to be tripping over this whole matter of moral relativism-which, in this sense, smacks of racism to me. Are you excusing the acts of suicide bombers on the basis (as many palestinians themselves state) that it is their "right?" Look, Israel exists because of the Balfour declaration
@oldstock1607 The events of 1936-1945 virtually assured that the implementation of that declaration, as you know, would become a reality. The region passed directly from the British Mandate to Israel without ever being consigned to the sovereignty of the palestinians. There was never, except for that period of the mandate, a nation that existed under the name "Palestine." Now we both know that both Arabs and Jews have a historical claim to that land, and that both have lived there for millenia
@oldstock1607 and coexisted wonderfully (and Christians too) until.....when? The absorption of the region under Islam. Not, until this period, was it ever concieved of as a Muslim-dominant region. Under Abd al-Malik, historic Jewish temples were raised and mosques constructed. As we know, Al-Aqsa is built directly on the ruins of Solomon's temple as a deliberate and calculated affront to Judaism. Whether Muslims today admit this or not, the sixth pillar of Islam is anti-Judaism. The qur'an is
@oldstock1607 clear on this, as are the hadith. The acquisition of the territory by the Jews in 1948 was not pretty to be sure, but the TRUE issue for the Arabs was not that they WERE invaders or interlopers, but that they were JEWISH invaders, as Jews are the "greatest enem[ies]" of the believers. All of this, everything--turns on the axis of this historical hatred. If not, why would muslims from anywhere else even care about that territory? why would an indonesian, for example, CARE about the
@oldstock1607 Golan Heights or who occupied it? They wouldn't. IF it were not for the widely self-acknowledged antipathy and concious hostility towards the Jews inherent in islam. Why would Ahmenenijad--a Shia--say that the fate of Palestine is the primary issue in the world today, if NOT for the jew factor? If the Palestinians were living in Iran, they'd probably be a persecuted minority. One of the few things that even sunni and shia can agree on is that the Jews are their enemy. I'm not sayin
@oldstock1607 that the palestinians would LIKE any occupation, but the fact that these occupiers are jews assures that they will never, as long as they are Muslim, accept the existence of these people on this land. And the palestinians see this land as theirs by what? the right of conquest. Well, the Jews now have the land they hold by this same right, and after the cataclysm of the holocaust (you do believe that happened, yes?) there is absolutely no possiblity that they will ever surrender it.
@oldstock1607 Clearly the U.S is not going to pressure them to do so, and they are never going to do so on their own accord. Further, they are nuclear-armed. So now what? as you pointed out about my observation that if the rolse were reversed, the palestinians would gleefully persecute the Jews, the fact that any of this is "illegal" under "international law" is also irrelvant. The laws of nature says that the jews are practicing and preserving the right of their existence in the face of people
@oldstock1607 who would destroy them if given the opportunity. I confess my prejudice--Islam is central to this mess. So much so that Muslim eschatology holds that the end times will witness a great, cataclysmic bloodletting of the jews. All people who agitate against Israel do is push the world a bit closer to the brink of a nuclear holocaust. In my opinion, this peice of desert on the eastern edge of the mdeiterranean is not worth the loss of one more life let alone the eradication of humanity
@oldstock1607 Britain was the "protectorate" of the area known as Palestine. Palestine at that time was overwhelmingly populated by Arabs + a smaller number of jews. The UN Mandate partitioned Palestine roughly in two + created Israel. Since 1947 the Israeli Govt quickly forcibly removed around 800,000 Palestinians from the new Israeli state. After 1967 the Israeli Govt took a quarter of the remainder of Palestine (West Bank+ Gaza) expelling + killing tens of Palestinans as they have done so..
@070911021302 And now what? Remember that the palestinians rejected this two-state system, and again, because they cannot tolerate the existence of Jews among them. For the palestinians, it is all or nothing. The jews will never to concede to that. As long as the Palestinians insist on getting all of their way all of the time, they will continue to be dissapointed, bitter, and impotent.
@oldstock1607 The Palestinians accept the two state solution, but what two states are you talking about? What was essentially being offered in the "Peace Accords" were: Israeli settlements stay + the Palestinans get "Bantustan" style camps not even connected by road. In order to access them, Palestinans would have to seek permission from the the Israeli army to use the roads? The Israelis purposely made an offer, they knew would likely be refused+ then blamed Arafat for the failiure of talks..
@oldstock1607 In my view, the founding fathers of Israel probably never had any intention to confine themselves to the borders of modern Israel. I have read letters by Ben Gurion where essentially he explains a covert tactic of accepting the UN mandate but gradually pushing out the Arabs by force so that Israel controls+ occupies much of Palestine eg Jerusalem, Gaza+ the West Bank. That was the secret plan+ that is what essentially has happend from 1947 to now.An expanded "Greater Israel"
@070911021302 I can't say that I blame the jews for holding the palestinians at arms length, racial profiling, or even the building of the Wall. When your neighbors declare daily in thought and deed their every intention to destroy you, you have every right (particularly with the history of these people) that you should take them at their word. Still, I must know....id palestinian terrorism "justified" in your opinion? Is it morally correct to fire a rocket indiscriminately into a settlement?
@oldstock1607 why hold the Jews to a higher moral standard than the Arabs--or, more correctly, to hold the Arabs to no moral standard whatsoever? I can assure you, if the palestinians had ever even tried non-violent resistance, or at non-terroristic resistance, they'd have garnered much more sympathy among westerners. It is hard for westerners to be sympathetic to a people who use the same tactics employed by other muslims in perpetrating attacks of their own nations.
@oldstock1607 Whilst I admired much of the work of Ghandi and Martin Luther King. I will practice non violence when the other man practices non violence. Why should the Palestinians be non violent against a heavily armed Israeli US+ UK backed oppressor who is and continues to be extrenely violent. Palestinians don't want sympathy. They want their land, their sovreignty. Are they supposed to throw their bodies against tanks and planes for sympathy.
@oldstock1607 Thats your problem. You don't blame Jews for anything. You pathologically argue for Jewish exceptionalism + excuse their crimes+ misdemeanours. Whilst I generally oppose the deliberate and reckless targetting of civillians, rockets fired at the IDF are not acts of terrorism. The IDF are an ilegal occupying army+ have no rights. As for settlements the IDF bomb Palestine every week. They will kill 10 or more civillians to target one so called terror suspect.
@oldstock1607 The dark irony is that many of the returned Jews who claim Israeli citizenship today have no ancestral connections to Israel at all. Their ancestors never ever set foot there. They are not the Sephardim, the descendants of those forcibly expelled over a thousand years ago. Many of them are (the descendats of) jews from Eastern Europe, Ashkenazis later converts to judaism. These people claim to have greater rights to Palestine than Arabs who have lived in the region for centuries..
@070911021302 Well, certainly their claim to "greater rights" to the region are questionable, but if this DNA is in their bodies, they are Jews, and were originally from this region. Further, no matter where they were from on earth, they have a shared history of persection. The Arabs have 40+ nations of their own. The Jews have 1. This is simply a matter of Arab pride being hurt over the fact that the Jews took back a place that the Arabs had ousted them from long ago.
@oldstock1607 Lots of people have been persecuted, to a greater extent than Jews, can they go to Palestine as well and claim land as being there own?!
Anybody can convert to Judaism. There is no jewish DNA and no race called Judaism. Any more than there is a race called Catholicism or Protestansim. There are black jews+ white jews.
Besides, I thought it was the Romans who ousted the Jews from Aincient Israel not the Arabs. Your Anti-Arab racism and anti- Muslim bigotry is very obvious...
@070911021302 There absolutely is such a thing as Jewish DNA, and it is actually being used to vett prospective applicants for Israeli citizenship. Certainly anyone can convert to Judaism (the religion) but Judaism is both a religion AND a race. You know very well that there is an enormous difference between Christianity. and Judaism on the racial and ethnic level. And I never said the Arabs "ousted" the Jews from Israel. Did the Romans build mosques on the ruins of their holiest sites?
@oldstock1607 Unlike Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazi Jews are slavic peoples from Eastern Europe who converted to Judaism. Therefore they cannot possibly have Jewish DNA. They have no more "Jewish" DNA than any body else from that part of the world eg Turks, Poles, Armenians, Russians. You may argue ethnic differences but your racial arguments are weak. There are black, white+ hispanic christians as they are black, white, asian and hispanic jews. After all were not Moses and Solomon both Africans??!
@Chinomareno Please explain the racial+ ethnic origin of European Jewry and please explain the difference between a Sephardic Jew and and an Ashkenazi Jew.
They aren't not another race btw, as far as ancestry goes The Jews of Europe share genetic ties to the people of the Levant, In fact more so than the population they've settle amongst. They really are Diaspora people. Sephardi Jews are merely those who lived in Iberia before the Reconquista, largely fleeing to Morocco and North Africa, then more recently Israel. Ashkenazi merely refers to the populations of central and eastern Europe, basically Jews from Germany originally.
@Chinomareno The Sephardim are the jews who lived in Portugal + Spain, but more than that THEY are the decendants of the Jews of Asia+Africa. The Ashkenazis are descendants of Jews from Eastern Europe. My understanding is that the Ashkenazis are relatively recent converts to Judaism NOT people of Asiatic Hebrew origin. They were ethincally slavic peoples who converted to Judaism. Not the descendants of Hebrew people who had been expelled from aincient Israel.
Your understanding is wrong then, DNA evidence does not support the idea that the Ashkenazi are converts of 9th century Khazars or other European tribes. Of course the Jews have intermarried and mixed with their host nations to an extent and there has been a natural drift but their genetic origins in the middle east have been found in multiple studies. I'm going on the scientific consensus.
The idea of a Jew is more of nationality and ethnic culture, they've remained remarkable isolated, kept their traditions and religion intact. While they retain middle eastern genes it's not good to get hung up on that, it's not important when considering the legitimacy of the Jewish state. I've always wondered had the Arabs won in 1948 would we be at all concerned with the the plight of Israeli refugees? I think not and I have no greater sympathy for either party.
@Chinomareno I think we can agree that Judaism is not a race+ more a sense of cultural identity. Most european and American jews have no genetic link to the so called middle east as neither they nor their ancestors ever set foot there. The legitimacy of the jewish state is not really an issue. Neither is your sympathy.
The behaviour of the state of Israel, its continued violation of international law + persecution of Palestininans however is a major issue.
I meant that there is no such thing as race, we can trace our ancestry closely but genetically we are remarkable similar.
Israel's handling of it's affairs leaves much to be desired but at the same time it's a stupid messy situation. That is not an endorsement of the Deterrence Policy, just recognition relations will never be normal. Neither side's political establishments have a sincere wish for peace, the Palestinians are not innocent in this game either.
@070911021302 So you are a Muslim living in the UK? Many Native Britons feel that their country is under occupation and would like to see a lot fewer Muslims in their country. Are you wiling to conform to what the true inhabitants of THAT country want? Or are you among thoase always clamoring for undue respect and the implementation of shar'ia law?
@oldstock1607 The last time I checked the last time Britain was threatened with Military Occupation was circa 1941+ the last time it was successfully invaded was 1066. There are approximately 62m inhabitants of Britain and approximately 58m of them are white. There are estimated to be approximately 2 million Muslims in the UK. What has this got to do with Israels 45 year old illegal and brutal military occupation of Palestine+ its treatment of Palestininan people??? NOTHING
@oldstock1607 Your assumptions re my race, religious belief or political dissuasion are irrelevant + unfounded.
Suicide bombings in the context of the conflict are a relatively new occurence.Israeli agrresion began in earnest in the 1940s long before there was any suicide bombings. Suicide missions are an inevitable tactic given that essentially a civillian population is being occupied by a much larger military force. Its not one army vs another. Suicide bombing is a red herring here...
@070911021302 They were not assumptions. I was asking you outright. If you are Muslim, I can understand your convictions on the subject. If you are a westerner with no familial or cultural ties to the region, then I have a much harder time understanding your preoccupation with this conflict.
@oldstock1607 It is irrelevant whether I am Muslim or not. Millions of people around teh world have pronounced view of this conflict and many of them are not Muslim. In the same way millions of people have views on issues on which they have no obvious racial, familial or religious interest or affiliation. You did not need to be black to argue against South African apartheid or Muslim to oppose the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan. It is a moral and/or political stance that one chooses to take...
@oldstock1607 This argument that Palestinans would do the same to Israel, if they were reversed is unfounded + irrelevant. The fact is the situation is not and has never been reversed. Israel expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from modern day Israel,not the other way around Israel illegally occupies Palestine, not the other way around. The Palestines are essentially reacting to the long and brutal occupation. Israeli aggression began long before there was a PLO or a Hamas
@oldstock1607 I am not sure what International Laws you think Israel has ahered to throughout this conflict since 1948+ certainly 1967. The expulsion of Palestians from Israel was illegal. The occupation of Palestine is illegal. The occpation of the Golan Heights is illegal. The so called Israeli settlements in Palestine are illegal. Kidnapping is illegal, detention without trial is illegal as is torture. Oh and Palestinians as well as many Egyptians+ Jordanians are "Semites" too, are they not?
@oldstock1607 Illegal invasions, illegal occupations, illegal kidnapping, detention without trial, torture, targeted assassinations + bombing of civillians. These are the actions of a terrorist state. To describe the killing of tens of thousands of mostly civillians as " eggs getting broken" is cruel + speaks volumes for your mentality + the low regard in which you hold Palestinian lives. Its a myth to pretend Israel is a defender of itself, when it has perpreatted the gravest acts of aggression
@070911021302 I suggest you read Sam Harris's "The End of Faith." Not only does he provide the world with a more nuanced view of the palestinian-Israeli conflict, but he takes Chomsky to task for his casuistry.
you gentiles are Pathetic Always take some jew and make him god or Messiah just like the jesus and kerl marx and know this noam chomsky did you ever wondering why is this all your biggst gods and messiah and your intellectuals from right and left are jewish and you wonder how we the jews call are self the chosen people dont diss this
comment in 100 yreas from know your kids will things that holly histroy just like your Fathers Though't demn even the arebs belive in a jewish idea of god
I would like to conduct a thought experiment, directed mainly at Professor Chomsky devotee's. Question: How would Professor Chomsky's perspective on the Israel/Palestine conflict change (if at all) if he were to suddenly become convinced of the truth of the Hebrew Bible (that it represents a true revelation of G-d, that the Prophets were true prophets and that the land of Israel, including the West-bank, was in fact deeded to the Jewish nation by G-d)?
@lourak I have a few questions for you; hopefully you will respond. I want to know where in the Hebrew Bible G-d putatively deeded the land of Israel (including the West Bank) to the Jews? I want to know why you think your interpretation of the verse (or verses) in question is correct? I want to know what you think the Hebrew Bible takes itself to be? And, finally, I would like to know whether you think that the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians is in accordance with G-d's will?
PART 1 - @bayreuth79 Thanks for responding! Alright - firstly, that Bible verses mention the land of Israel (borders to be defined) being deeded to the Hebrew people is not controversial according to biblical scholars. The subject is admittedly complex, as the borders change from time to time, and there is even a verse in which G-d promises to "expand the borders". I refer you to the following verses: Genesis 15:18-21; Exodus 23:31; Numbers 34:1-15; Ezekiel 47:13-20.
@lourak You claim that the land of Israel has been deeded to the Jewish people and according to you this is uncontroversial amongst biblical scholars. I am curious who these biblical scholars are? I know of no serious biblical scholars who believe that G-d has deeded the land of Israel to the Jews; and I have studied the bible at university.
I suppose you believe the bible is inerrant? You are a biblical fundamentalist, as you seem to think that your interpretation is the only valid one.
@bayreuth79 To clarify again: I am not making any claim here as to the divine nature of the Bible - I am merely quoting from that source. We could, of course, quibble as to the meaning of the word "deeded", but it is quite remarkable, at how "modern" the biblical language is, in respect to this. Again - going on the assumption that the Bible is true, I know of no scholars, that dispute the text as expressing, clearly and without equivocation, that G-d has "deeded" this land to the Jews.
PART 2 - @bayreuth79 The verses in Numbers give a detailed metes and bounds description. It is uncontroversial, among biblical scholars, that the West Bank is included. "Why do I think my interpretation is right"? - Well - this is not my interpretation, but the unambiguous words of the biblical text. "What do I think the Hebrew Bible takes itself to be"? - I'm not sure I understand your question.
@lourak There are no unambiguous words in the bible! It is the essence of biblical fundamentalism to think that one can move from the text to understanding without interpretation, as though it was entirely clear and unambiguous. This is naivety. It is curious that people who have this understanding of scripture all have different interpretations of the bible. "Sola Scriptura" and inerrancy have led to literally thousands of different Protestant denominations. It is a recipe for disunity.
@bayreuth79 Thanks for responding again! To clarify: I'm not looking to engage in a debate on biblical exegesis here. When I referred to the " unambiguous words of the biblical text" in my comment above, I was referring, merely, to the boundary descriptions. Sorry for any "ambiguity" in my comment! FYI - I am not a literalist, by a long shot, in my understanding of biblical texts. Nor am I a "fundamentalist", whatever that may mean...
@lourak You don't want a discussion about biblical exegesis; but that is what is at issue here. I am saying that I can see no reason to suppose that we have to take certain verses in the OT to be literally applicable today, especially when a literal interpretation of those texts is inevitably going to lead to greater hostilities and loss of life in an already fraught situation.
@bayreuth79 Alright - this is getting a bit closer to the point I was looking to address - good! Firstly, let me say that your point here sounds reasonable enough to me - however (and this is a big however) the Israeli's we are speaking of here, don't agree with your idea. They think that they have an obligation to follow the literal meaning of those verses, which are not, after all, in the manner of other possibly metaphorical verses in the Bible. How to deal with them???
@lourak The Israeli state is secular. There are of course Zionists motivated by their religious beliefs (based on a fundamentalist reading of scripture) but most of them are motivated by secularism. The first Zionists were avowedly secular; in fact they were mostly Marxists when they first started returning to Israel.
PART 1 - @bayreuth79 Great! You raise an important point - which brings me even closer to the subject I want to discuss. Firstly, you should know that the question of religion is quite complex. It is true that Israel and most of its leaders, historically, have been secularists, for the most part. However, in common discourse, it is quite often that we hear non-religious (orthodox) Israeli's invoke the name of G-d.
PART 2 - @bayreuth79 So - although you are right, that strictly speaking, they are not committed, properly speaking to a religious life-style, none the less, these individuals do, in many cases, derive there political philosophy, in part, from a religious tradition. This is admittedly a difficult subject. For our part, I don't think it's relevant for the purpose of our discussion, if I may be allowed to frame it...
PART 3 - @bayreuth79 Alright then - now here's my question: How would you engage an extremely zionistic Israeli in a discussion about "the right to the land" - and how would you engage the secularist (let's assume an atheist for now)? Let's start there...
PART 3 - @bayreuth79 "whether I think that the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians is in accordance with G-d's will"? - I would say no. I believe the Israelis should be more aggressive in rooting out the minority of radicals among the Palestinians. Thanks!
@loura You want the Israelis to be more aggressive?! It saddens me that people who claim to be Christians can have such an attitude towards a victimized people. In 1967 the Palestinian territories were occupied by the Israel army. This was condemned at the time by the UN and even the U.S. This occupation has continued since 1967 until the present time. The Palestinians are being deprived of their humanitarian rights; and it is a disgrace. G-d cares more for justice than he does for landownership
@bayreuth79 Please don't take my words out of context. My statement, again: the Israelis should be more aggressive in rooting out the MINORITY OF RADICALS (aka terrorists) among the Palestinians. I certainly wouldn't mind discussing the Arab / Israeli conflict in general terms some other time, but for the purposes of my original proposition, that discussion goes way outside of its intended aim.
90% of the people in Israel are not Jews nor Semitic. They may call themselves Zionist, but they are not the Jew. One must be born a Jew! Those who occupy Israel are from the Synagog's of Satan, and they rule over the USA. It was already written before it happen. ONE MUST BE BORN A JEW! THESE PEOPLE DON'T EVEN LOOK SEMITIC. THEY ARE THE FALSE JEW! THEY HAVE NO TRIBAL SEED!
IN 47', the PLO told all arabs to leave Israel so that when the Arab armies conquered it, they could come home. Basically, the Arab states wanted to be able to shell Israel indescriminately wihout worrying about killing Arabs. But Israel made ALL arab residents full citizens in 48' despite the fact that Jews who had been living in Syria, Jordan, Lebannon, The West Bank, and Gaza, for hundreds to thousands of years were ALL kicked out by the newly formed Arab states and never allowed to return
Why do people listen to his wacky narratives that simply take glib accusations with no context? The guy is not even coherent, but as long as the words please you, you kiss his ass.
@constructivereconcil Glib accusations? He is documenting verifiable facts. He only sounds incoherent if you don't understand that he is annotating his statements as he goes in order to give the events historical and political context.
@AnimaAnnie Ok, then verify that a single Arab was kicked out of Israel in 47 BY THE ISRAELIS. Exactly, this is pure propaganda that assumes the myth that there was ever a "palestinian" state. THe only people who were removed from their homes were the Jews living in what becamethe arab states despite living there for centuries. Israel has made many mistakes, but it is understandable dealing with neighbors who have vowed to "drive you into the sea" for 60 years and never sought out peace
Noam will you please die already, nobody gives a shit about what you have to say, you are a self hating liberal Jew. May you please Die already, the sooner the better. Amen
How proud Texas must be of upstanding citizens like yourself. You express yourself so well and with such passion. I commend your English teacher. Such command of the English language and so articulate. I bet you could write a book too.
I absolutely am against the oppression of any people, based on any reason and especially their religion. I know for a fact that I would have given Ann Frank a place in my attic had I been given the opportunity. One does what one can to stamp out injustice. However, we are not talking about Jews here but the Israelis which seems to be a different breed.
@gocar1962 youre so self fucking righteous. youre all theory and you obviously have no real life experience. you sound like a lazy rich pseudo intellectual. you sound like youd be too busy shitting your pants to make some room in your attic for even your own mother.
@gocar1962 obviously you're not opposed to the censorship of language though, you fucking twat. keep fighting the good fight from the safety of your rich ass neighborhood.
Why did it have to be a "Jewish State" ?Why did the refugees from Europe not just settle peacefully in Palestine without declaring a separate country thus making Palestinians foreigners in the land they were born?
Obviously you have never read any of his books, most of which deal with American intervention in South America and not Israel. I have heard him lecture and answer questions and he it the perfect gentleman and, I would say, a pacifist. Of course, these days a pacifist would meet the same fate at Jesus Christ did.
The ultimate proof of Israel as a bankrupt culture is when you see Israeli men throwing molotov cocktails at each other in public squares, to protest their current government.
Can you imagine what an example it would set for the world if we were able to find a way to live in peace in Eretz Yisrael? All the pieces of the puzzle are there: a shared monotheistic tradition, a shared land, and shared economic, political, and cultural interests. Perhaps we are closer to actualizing this goal than most people realize. May G-d bless us with the wisdom and strength to achieve this
Let us help them to create something extraordinary,just as we have for ourselves-it is in our best interest to do so.Let us help them to build a home they will love with all their hearts, as we love Israel!Wouldn’t we both be foolish to risk damage to something so precious?We are both great nations…let us never forget this.Let us nurture peace with our enemies, and recognize that they are a mirror…reflecting light unto the nations
it´s never too late to change opinions... read about the nazimuslim division "Handschar" and the collaboration from the palestinian leader to kill all jews or should i say zionists! Finkelstein says nothing about it because his theory will be trashed because it shows who the real fascist-racist pig is! WATCH HITLER UND DAS ISLAM
Invade Mexico; Give them Baja.
DenizenOD 6 days ago
If anything you have to give those jews some credit. They managed to do what the nazis failed utterly at, and still make the world believe that their victims are actually the criminals.
Well done, everyone.
Bulhakas 1 week ago
All the jews should go to the USA, they have a fetish for jews there.
GustavoCLa 3 weeks ago
I've been to America, it's fucking massive for it's population. They should have really let the israelis live there. Ideally they should have given them Germany. First they'll have to broadcast Richard Dawkins to the population, get them to realise the holy land is worth it's weight in shit.
Lan5in6 1 month ago 3
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personally if i was jewish i would have settled for madagascar or southern sudan, the land is huge, the weather is great and there's not a lot of people.
ahmed337799 1 month ago
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he dislikes Israel but he is making his fortune writing about Israel and talking about Israel. its contradictory. Why don't you move to the Iran or Syria and see what is to live there? and then compare any of those countries with Israel. Not a single one contribute nothing to the world as much as Israel does. Your criticism and stupid argument will die with you and Israel will be Israel, do you think that your books will be read by our children years a head? NO. Israel will stand forever!.
TheNewsCriticOnline 1 month ago
Noam Chomsky is showing himself to be just as stupid as his stupid listeners. Seriously, he cannot be this ignorant about this history?
sugarhitman 3 months ago
How often in history does the opressed become the opressors?
yes the jews were opressed at one point in history, it was terrible. HOWEVER, people act as though that should be a blank check..
Any questioning of the actions of Israel is written off as anti-semitic, often by people who would gladly use terms like "Sand nigger" to describe the palestinians
thefakeyeti 4 months ago
The man of peace who dinies opologizing to those poor peopel and killing them. And showng no trust to anyone and sending spies to other countries especially USA .
Do u think with all these crimes, the god will be peased with that.. And what kinda religion to ask the people to descriminated and against people even if they unarmed
sk10000067 4 months ago
Yea right .. The man of peace Sharoun, come to pilestenian cites to crush thier homes, kill the ones they love,and kill children without any remorse, And this guy is talking abt African american . Well the USA didnt do all things that Isreal does in dairly basis. Even when Selahdean take Jarsalam, he didnt harm citizen He even forgive some people who didnt have the money to pay for the funds and let them go to another places with protection . comparin 2 Isreal . this pple cowards. .
sk10000067 4 months ago
Chomsky they are killing us all one on one,when will justice come?
JJJadm 4 months ago
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WingThaiJ 4 months ago
Watch this on youtube also: Search Prager University: Is Israel an Apartheid State? Learn how Arabs in Israel enjoy freedom in Israel and have equal protection under the law; see successful Arabs in Israel; see how an Arab judge rightfully sentence a former Israeli leader to jail for rape yet not one complaint from it's citizens. See the difference between Arabs in Israel and those who are not in Israel.
WingThaiJ 4 months ago
@WingThaiJ
Great comment. For a hypocrite like Chomsky to insult a democratic state like Israel, all while defending and apologizing for brutal dictatorships, is absurd.
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@TheTollundWoman So, if someone is a brutal dictator, any and all actions against the state, and the civilians of the state is justified?
Ask the 100,000+ iraqis if they believe we were justified in attacking Iraq..
thefakeyeti 4 months ago 2
@thefakeyeti Nah most of 100,000 Iraqis were killed by insurgents than Coalition forces.
Saddam wasn't complying with UN resolutions following a ceasefire from the 1991 Gulf war. A ceasefire means as long as they abide by certain conditions which they agreed too. If they violate those conditions, the war resumes. You don't even need to get more UN resolutions or permission since we have a VETO power.
You can't just kill Saddam Hussein, you had to take out the whole party there.
Hperman09 4 months ago
@Hperman09 "Nah most of the 100,000 iraqis were kiled by insurgents than coalition forces" Call it blow back, it was ultimatly OUR actions that lead to that.
thefakeyeti 4 months ago
@thefakeyeti Ya it was a result of post-invasion planning that lacked first. But we did kill more of them.
Hperman09 4 months ago
Noam Chomsky repeatedly denied the Cambodian genocide and claimed that "the 'slaughter' of the Khmer Rouge was a New York Times creation." He is the moral equivalent of a holocaust denier. Chomsky's "anti-zionism" it is a PR victory for Israel.
TheTollundWoman 5 months ago
@TheTollundWoman Chomsky has a following like many Cult Leaders; he makes him self sound smart and misquotes people all over the place. There is a great site which actually uses Chomsky's words in context so Chomsky roasts himself. Google Chomsky Watch; they do a great job of exposing this loser..
WingThaiJ 4 months ago
And in the meantime . . . the Palestinians are just sitting quietly, making daisy-chains, and just wishing Israel would stop his targeting of innocent civilians?
JonasBridgous 5 months ago
Mr. Chomsky is a conspiracy theorist and a socialist who has terribly distorted views of the world and the occurences therein. He is an ignorant pessemist and is to smart for his own good, or beleives he is smart. He isn't in the least bit respectable and is not an intellect. Instead he is insane. He recieved much of his views from his uncle who didn't make it past 4th grade. He was raised a Jew but is an anti-semite.
MrRugger12 6 months ago
@MrRugger12 wow, you really raised some valid points there. oh wait, no you didn't, you made childish claims based on nothing instead of trying to refute some of his points. if you disagree with what he's saying, try to disprove any of what he's saying. go on, try it. didn't think so.
LokiTetch 6 months ago
@MrRugger12 haha that's why he is the most important living intellectual alive? Read a book, stop watching Glenn Beck or whatever corporate troth you get your information!
pastrocks85 5 months ago
@MrRugger12 There's so much contradiction and bullshit in what you wrote,it's hard to know where to begin.
What 'distorted' views does he hold? He backs up what he says with hard EVIDENCE
You say he's "ignorant" yet 'too smart for his own good", in the same sentence...complete gibberish!
He looked up to his uncle and learned a lot about debating from him,that doesnt mean he got his views from him.
Last but not least...the antisemitism charge:You might want to look up what that actually means
comanchio1976 5 months ago
Mr. Chomsky is a conspiracy theorist and a socialist who has terribly distorted views of the world and the occurences therein. He is an ignorant pessemist and is to smart for his own good, or beleives he is smart. He isn't in the least bit respectable and is not an intellect. Instead he is insane. He recieved much of his views from his uncle who didn't make it past 4th grade. He was raised a Jew but is an anti-semite.
MrRugger12 6 months ago
@MrRugger12
what exactly is your point?? you have nothing intelligent to say so advice for you is to shut up, unless you have more credentials than mr chomsky
meli13721 5 months ago
It will never cease to amaze me how a man as intelligent as Chomsky forever neglects to take the Palestinians to task for THEIR mindless violence.
oldstock1607 6 months ago
@oldstock1607 What are the Palestinians to do to defend themselves. Their not getting weapons and aid from America and other western countries. Europeans calling themselves jews started this in 1948. Their descendants are going enjoy the curse and consequences of stealing other people's land.
arronnov 5 months ago
@arronnov Wow. It really seems that the world is convinced that the Palestinians are just some laid-back, peace-loving "freedom fighters," constantly getting fucked around by these land hungry "zionists." The point that the Palestinians understand, and their white, western, leftist sychophants always seem to miss, is that this is less about territory, and more about religion and race. Jew-hatred is a PILLAR of Islam. Don't let them convince you that it isn't.
oldstock1607 5 months ago
@oldstock1607 No its all about land imperialism colonialism and self determination. I'm of African decent and understand this quite well be raised in America and see the action towards African people across the planet Americas and our homeland of Africa. Under your thoughts black hatred and control would be the pillar of western white civilization and its Christian/Judaic base or foundation. Which has been used as justification for stealing deceiving murdering and killing among black people.
arronnov 5 months ago
@oldstock1607 I don't follow or believe in Christianity Islam and Judaism. These man made religion have brought death destruction chaos and control to black people. I am the decedent of the oldest groups of people on this planet. They never followed these mind control religion. They had spiritual ways of life giving honors the universals force which manifest its self in the many facet of nature.
arronnov 5 months ago
@oldstock1607 I understand the aspect of balance or karma of the universe. You shall receive what you put out every action gets a opposite and equal action or you reap what you sow. Western white civilization aka America Israel England France Spain Portugal Germany Netherlands Russia and etc will not escape this fact.
arronnov 5 months ago
@oldstock1607 This Christian mindset of letting your enemies do what they want and wait for justice when you die is not apart of African history. Atonement and justice is a part of African culture history. When you do somebody wrong you make atonement and make it right. This is not apart of Western white civilization DNA the past 2000 but especially the past 600yrs til today. The mindset and believe of the majority of white men is that this planet belongs to them at any cost.
arronnov 5 months ago
@arronnov So many holes in this racist babble! We are one species, white men are just men with lighter skin tone. Every ethnicity committs heinous crimes due to what I can only see as selfish greed. All nations act in self interest, enabling individuals to do likewise as unfortunately those with greater rmoral eptitude seem to be unlikely to climb the rungs of power, as such a path appears untenibly abhorrent or those moralist that do become compromised or were just previcators to begin with.
MrCulty 5 months ago
@MrCulty I'm have to disagree with you.Western white civilization hasn't been able to get along with anybody 360 degrees this planet.Every where whites have gone their mindset and worldview is that they have to control and rule at any cost.No empire or civilization outside of Europe has a record or history like thisThe western white mindset is that it is absolute with truth.If you don't accept this paradigm then something is wrong with you. Which means your a enemy who must be killed and control
arronnov 5 months ago
@arronnov Ghengis Khan followed by his sons, The Japanese during the 30's and 40's,iraq invaded kuwait, the Aztecs certainly weren't too kind to their neighbours. Also tribal africans haven't been exactly getting on ever so take your head out of your ass and wake up. Nothing is wrong with me for disagreeing with you, I don't agree with alot of the things in this world forexample killing, subjugation, deprivation, greed, fear mongering, off the walls racism, noone will silence me though.
MrCulty 5 months ago
@MrCulty Ghengis Khan Japanese or anything outside of Europe compare to the damage destruction and chaos whites have done 600yrs and counting doesn't compare at all. When you bring death to the environment including humanity there is some serious issue that. Western civilization has done this with every group on the planet its had contact. There's not one exception even among their own.
arronnov 5 months ago
@arronnov Can't see why your pertaining these attribute mainly to whites unless you can't see the world isruled by force, those in power lack empathy and if african, asian or any other creed, nation or culture 'ruled the globe' it would scarcely make a difference unless they championed pure libertarian socialism. Let's face it I'm not standing up for the white man,I'm Irish myself(the blacks of europe) and we are continuously getting shafted by whitey, don't see how darky would be any bettter
MrCulty 5 months ago
@MrCulty Tell that to Muammar Gaddafi Robert Mugabe Patrice Lumumba Kwame Nkrumah and other numerous leaders past and present in Africa and outside of the western white world. It has been white men who's have a issue with others being self determining self consciousness and self realizing. The world view paradaigm and lust to control everything by the majority of them has this planet in death destruction and chaos. The western white way of doing all things is the only way or else!!!
arronnov 5 months ago
@oldstock1607 the crimes of the Palestinians are so small compared to the actions israel. and most of the are to free there land from israel.
lionsare 4 months ago
@lionsare Actually, the crimes of the palestinians outweigh those of the jews 30 to 40-fold. Let me guess...getting your information on this conflict from Al-Jazeera?
oldstock1607 4 months ago
@oldstock1607 The crimes of the Palestinians? The crime of living in Palestine for close to two thousand years + then being expelled from modern day Israel by european+ american jews from 1948 onwards? The crime of having their homes bulldozed by Israeli tanks? The crime of being routinely bombed+ shot by Israeli "settlers"+ IDF planes + soldiers? The crime of being driven off land they had lived+ worked for centuries by recently arrived jews from Europe+ the US.
070911021302 4 months ago
@070911021302 Actually I was thinking more of things like: using human shields, firing rockets from schools and hospitals, perpetrating suicide/homocide bombings on a regular basis, firing rockets into civilian settlements without regard to human life, Kidnapping, hijacking, torture, murder,
and perhaps worst of all, raising their children in an atmosphere that can only be described as a death-worshipping terror cult. More like those kinds of crimes. these people have ZERO moral mandate.
oldstock1607 4 months ago 2
@oldstock1607 yeeaahh right and all this comes just outa nothing because the normal palastenian woke up in the morning and instead of going to a party with his friends he just decided to become a terrorist RIGHT???
by your logic the nazis had all moral right to whip out the warzaw ghetto because the people attacked first the poor german ss soldiers
by the way next time instead of saying ZERO moral mandate say what you really mean say untermenschen
AdrianDeMoxica23 4 months ago
@AdrianDeMoxica23 no, I wouldn't say that the "nazis had all moral right to whip [sic] out the warzaw [sic] ghetto because the people attacked first the poor german ss soldiers." You know who would?
The Palestinians.
In the future, I suggest that you, and the rest of the palestinians' fawning, leftist sychophants refrain from bringing up the nazis. Not only is the comparison a tired and inaccurate one, but it is well-established that muslims (and palestinians in particular) admire the nazis.
oldstock1607 4 months ago
@oldstock1607 so all palestinians think the nazis had all moral right to do the holocaust ????
interessant
AdrianDeMoxica23 4 months ago
@AdrianDeMoxica23 yeah, I'd say the majority of them do.
oldstock1607 4 months ago
@oldstock1607 Don't talk shit mate.
CrapOfTheWorld 3 months ago
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oldstock1607 3 months ago
@oldstock1607 You're really not doing yourself any favours here. Best to quit while you're ahead, no?
CrapOfTheWorld 3 months ago
@CrapOfTheWorld What the fuck are you on about? I don't even know what comment i've made that has your cotton panties in such a twist. be SPECIFIC, son. I'm not a fucking mind-reader.
oldstock1607 3 months ago
@oldstock1607 You think that the majority of Palestinians support the Nazis based on no evidence. I called you out on this, and your response was to call me a 'Paki' and a 'parasite', again based on no evidence. You don't need to be a mind reader to work out that you're failing desperately here, you just need to use your own mind.
CrapOfTheWorld 3 months ago
@CrapOfTheWorld No, I truly believe that the majority of Palestinians admire the nazis. And why wouldn't they? Hitler killed millions of jews, which is something that many Muslims, most of all the Palestinians would love to do. And what is up with Hamas and Hezbollah giving the "heil" salute? If you really want to hear Palestinians openly admiring the nazis, all you have to do is open your ears. Most are remarkably candid about it. And I just have to ask, do you REALLY not believe that there is
oldstock1607 3 months ago
@oldstock1607 no admiration for the nazis and Hitler in the Muslim world? or is it just an "inconvenient" fact that there is, and you feel you must disagree with me on some bogus principle? The evidence to support what I'm saying is out there, all you have to do is open your eyes and ears.
oldstock1607 3 months ago
@oldstock1607 creates more resentment towards Israel, more anti-Semitism and more conflict.
CrapOfTheWorld 3 months ago
@oldstock1607 Believe based on what? Have you ever been to Palestine? The people there do not want to kill millions of Jews. They want their land and their country. They want Israel to end their illegal occupation and stop murdering their civilians.
I have no doubt that there is a minority of extremist Muslims who admire Hitler (although it's more common for them to deny the Holocaust), but this is a direct result of Israel's policy regarding Palestine. Every innocent that they kill
CrapOfTheWorld 3 months ago
@CrapOfTheWorld Come on, man. If you know anything about Islam, then you know that there is a LOT more going on in the Israeli-palestine conflict than land. Anti-Judaism is a fundamental tenet of Islam (and I will always stand by this statement) You can see this in the Qur'an, in the hadith, in the words of muhammad, and throughout history. I am not a supporter of Israel OR the Palestinian state. That land is going to be contested forever no matter what. But if the Israelis were to pack up their
oldstock1607 3 months ago
@oldstock1607 belongings tomorrow and move en masse elsewhere, you know that Muslims (Palestinians included) would follow them there and keep the conflict going. There are 2 sides to this conflict, and to portray the Palestinians as perpetual victims is a gross oversimplification. It has also not escaped me that supporting the palestinians is some do-goody-good, white, western, leftist trend, perpetuated by those who have an extremely shallow, and often anti-semitic, view on the matter.
oldstock1607 3 months ago
@oldstock1607 Actions by Hamas etc. are destructive to the peace process also. But when there are 300 Palestinians killed for every Israeli casualty, and Palestinians are condemned for not recognising the right of Israel to exist (when Israel not only denies Palestine a right to exist, but occupies their territory) it's clear to see which side is more accurately described as the victim.
And what in hell do you mean by 'Muslims would follow them'? They have nothing to gain by that.
CrapOfTheWorld 3 months ago
@CrapOfTheWorld If the Palestinians had sovereignty and the occupying forces were removed, the violence would stop almost overnight. It's Israel's extreme nationalists and religious fundamentalists that are stopping this from happening.
CrapOfTheWorld 3 months ago
@CrapOfTheWorld Do I have to bring up that tired ass hadith about the end times when Muslims will kill all Jews? Or the derogatory things said about Jews in the qur'an? You are familiar with these, yes?
oldstock1607 3 months ago
@oldstock1607 Anti-semitism is not a fundamental tenet of Islam. Historically, Muslims and Jews have had conflict, but that was actually coming close to an end at the start of the last century. The Shah of Persia in the late 19th century even suggested that the Jews buy land to settle in the middle east. The main cause of anti-semitism in the muslim world is Israeli foreign policy. Not religion. And I'm not portraying the Palestinians as 'perpetual victims'.
CrapOfTheWorld 3 months ago
@CrapOfTheWorld Sorry, but anti-judaism IS a fundamental tenet, indeed, it is the sixth pillar of Islam. I'm sure you know this. Books and theses have been written on the subject, movies have been made on the subject--this fact is not in question by any credible scholar. The only evidence that I assume you have that Anti-judaism is not a fundamental tenet of Islam, is muslims saying that they are not anti-jew. And I know this is going to surprise you, but the muslim wolrd is less than honest
oldstock1607 3 months ago
@oldstock1607 about several facets of its history. And you bring up a fine point about the violence stopping. I should also add that if the Palestinians actually WANTED the violence to stop, they could easily make it stop. They refuse. The simple fact is that they hate the jews moire than they love their own children.
oldstock1607 3 months ago
@oldstock1607 A book or movie being written on something does not make it true. Can you provide any evidence to suggest that no credible scholar questions this? Is Mark Cohen, the Princeton professor who wrote that modern Muslim antisemitism was brought to the middle east by nationalist Christian arabs and only then islamicised not a credible scholar? And you are incredibly naive if you think that if the Palestinians stopped resisting the occupation that everything would be just fine. Are they
CrapOfTheWorld 3 months ago
@CrapOfTheWorld Supposed to submit to their occupiers, and accept the fact that they can't vote, travel on Israeli buses, have to be searched when they go into town, and live with access to trade dictated by Israel? Is that seriously your solution? And no, you don't have to bring it up. But you did, so I'll bring up Exodus 22:20 which commands the Jews to kill everybody of non-jewish faith. Or Revelations, which, as I'm sure you know, goes into great detail of the suffering of non-christians
CrapOfTheWorld 3 months ago
@CrapOfTheWorld after the apocalypse. You cannot judge a religion by the beliefs of its most fundamental believers. Islam is actually going through somewhat of an enlightenment today, although it isn't helped by Israel's antagonism fuelling fundamentalism. A broad support for secular democracy is spreading across the arab world. This is not a people who are clinging on to religious fundamentalism. Rather they are being liberated from it.
CrapOfTheWorld 3 months ago
@oldstock1607 The ratio of Palestinians to Israelis killed is often 100:1. Israel is engaged in an illegal+ brutal occupation of Palestinan territory that has gone on for over FORTY years. Illegal military occupiers have no legal rights. Israel routinely bombs Palestinian terrotories, kills civillians, has regularly bombed+ invaded Lebanon, illegaly occupies the Golan Heights + has thousands of Palestian+Lebanese prisoners, many who were kidnapped+ are held without trial in its secret prisons.
070911021302 3 months ago
@070911021302 All propaganda. No nation has strived harder to respect human rights, obey the rule of law, and minimize human casualties than Israel has in that forty years. But of course, when you are living amidst some of the most unhinged Muslim terrorists on earth, some eggs are going to get broken. Ask yourself this: what would the region be like if the Jews were a powerless minority living among the palestinians? Again, to you, and everyone else, the Palestinians have ZERO moral high ground
oldstock1607 3 months ago
@oldstock1607 Propaganda? These are facts. The behaviour of Israel towards Palestinians in the occupied territories is akin to South African apartheid...which is not surprising given the alliances between the two countries during the aparthied era. As for the Rule of Law, I think Israel is in breach of more UN resolutions than any other country in the last 40 years. The region would be vastly improved if Israel observed International Law... Left Palestine to the Palestinians+ freed Jerusalem..
070911021302 2 months ago
@070911021302 And again, you are falling into the Chomsky trap of moral relativism. You are keen to point out the crimes of Israel, while wearing blinders to the crimes of the palestinians. Unlike the Palestinians, the israelis actually DO try and adhere to international law. My point was that this is a truly difficult task when your opposition is driven by a virulent RELIGIOUSLY-INSPIRED anti-semitism. Yet you say nothing of palestinian Arab racism towards the Jews. As I said before, how do you
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 think the palestinians would treat the Jews if the situation were reversed? You have said ntohing about the palerstinian perpetration of suicide-homoicide bombings, their use of human shields, the firing of rockets from schools and hospitals, as well as kidnappings, murder, assasinations,torture, etc, etc, etc. If the Palestinians were to cease their beligerence, not one more Palestinian would die. NOT ONE. But their eternal hatred of the Jew forbids this. This has nothing to do
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 with land.The palestinians simply hate the Jews more than they love their own children. When was the last time you heard of a jewish suicide bomber entering a primarily palestinian area and killing civilians? And the whole "international law" nonsense--the UN, if you haven't noticed, is, and has for decades been, a corrupt, criminal organization staffed by communists and terrorist sympathizers. A muslim extremists' greatest allies are to be found in the UN, and they know this. Look
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 at their latest resolution to add palestine to UNESCO. Here is a people who have made no contribution to the earth other than terrorism, violence and destruction, being placed on the world's premier organization for the promotion of culture, education and science. Why? simply to flout their ability to do so in the face of Israel and the U.S. and that is the ONLY reason. You dislike my statement about "broken eggs." that's fine. But what do you think a palestinian would call the
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 death of all the world's jews? I'd bet it would be something akin to "awesome." If you doubt that this is not about land but rather race, I suggest you look at the Hamas desire for all the world's jews to move to Israel, so they don't have to hunt them all down when the time to genocide them comes. face it, you THINK you are denouncing criminals, but in reality you are defending some of the biggest moral irreptrobates on the face of the earth,
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 This has EVERYTHING to do with land. If there was no illegal Israeli occupation, the problem would be essentially solved. The expulsion of Palestinians and the creation of a million refugess was all about land; as was the siezure of Gaza, West Bank, Golan+ Jerusalem and the building of illegal settlements+ . The aim is to create a greater Israel comprising modern Israel, Jersualem and much of what was biblical Israel in what is modern day Palestine. David Ben Gurion knew this..
070911021302 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 I have unfortunately seen and read about the regular Israeli army bombing + shooting of Palestinian civillians. The Israelis have a huge and heavily armed force that can and does target+ kill Palestinian civiilians at a far greater rate+ infintely higher number than any suicide bomber could achieve. In the 2008/2009 bombing of Gaza over 1000 civillians were killed by Israeli (phosphorous) bombs including over three hundred children... Who are the extremists+ terrorists??!!
070911021302 2 months ago
@070911021302 I see that you are living in the UK. Is it safe to assume that you are a Muslim? Or are you a white, western leftist for whom defending the palestinians has become a sort of cause-du-jour? Again, we seem to be tripping over this whole matter of moral relativism-which, in this sense, smacks of racism to me. Are you excusing the acts of suicide bombers on the basis (as many palestinians themselves state) that it is their "right?" Look, Israel exists because of the Balfour declaration
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 The events of 1936-1945 virtually assured that the implementation of that declaration, as you know, would become a reality. The region passed directly from the British Mandate to Israel without ever being consigned to the sovereignty of the palestinians. There was never, except for that period of the mandate, a nation that existed under the name "Palestine." Now we both know that both Arabs and Jews have a historical claim to that land, and that both have lived there for millenia
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 and coexisted wonderfully (and Christians too) until.....when? The absorption of the region under Islam. Not, until this period, was it ever concieved of as a Muslim-dominant region. Under Abd al-Malik, historic Jewish temples were raised and mosques constructed. As we know, Al-Aqsa is built directly on the ruins of Solomon's temple as a deliberate and calculated affront to Judaism. Whether Muslims today admit this or not, the sixth pillar of Islam is anti-Judaism. The qur'an is
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 clear on this, as are the hadith. The acquisition of the territory by the Jews in 1948 was not pretty to be sure, but the TRUE issue for the Arabs was not that they WERE invaders or interlopers, but that they were JEWISH invaders, as Jews are the "greatest enem[ies]" of the believers. All of this, everything--turns on the axis of this historical hatred. If not, why would muslims from anywhere else even care about that territory? why would an indonesian, for example, CARE about the
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 Golan Heights or who occupied it? They wouldn't. IF it were not for the widely self-acknowledged antipathy and concious hostility towards the Jews inherent in islam. Why would Ahmenenijad--a Shia--say that the fate of Palestine is the primary issue in the world today, if NOT for the jew factor? If the Palestinians were living in Iran, they'd probably be a persecuted minority. One of the few things that even sunni and shia can agree on is that the Jews are their enemy. I'm not sayin
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 that the palestinians would LIKE any occupation, but the fact that these occupiers are jews assures that they will never, as long as they are Muslim, accept the existence of these people on this land. And the palestinians see this land as theirs by what? the right of conquest. Well, the Jews now have the land they hold by this same right, and after the cataclysm of the holocaust (you do believe that happened, yes?) there is absolutely no possiblity that they will ever surrender it.
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 Clearly the U.S is not going to pressure them to do so, and they are never going to do so on their own accord. Further, they are nuclear-armed. So now what? as you pointed out about my observation that if the rolse were reversed, the palestinians would gleefully persecute the Jews, the fact that any of this is "illegal" under "international law" is also irrelvant. The laws of nature says that the jews are practicing and preserving the right of their existence in the face of people
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 who would destroy them if given the opportunity. I confess my prejudice--Islam is central to this mess. So much so that Muslim eschatology holds that the end times will witness a great, cataclysmic bloodletting of the jews. All people who agitate against Israel do is push the world a bit closer to the brink of a nuclear holocaust. In my opinion, this peice of desert on the eastern edge of the mdeiterranean is not worth the loss of one more life let alone the eradication of humanity
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 Britain was the "protectorate" of the area known as Palestine. Palestine at that time was overwhelmingly populated by Arabs + a smaller number of jews. The UN Mandate partitioned Palestine roughly in two + created Israel. Since 1947 the Israeli Govt quickly forcibly removed around 800,000 Palestinians from the new Israeli state. After 1967 the Israeli Govt took a quarter of the remainder of Palestine (West Bank+ Gaza) expelling + killing tens of Palestinans as they have done so..
070911021302 2 months ago
@070911021302 And now what? Remember that the palestinians rejected this two-state system, and again, because they cannot tolerate the existence of Jews among them. For the palestinians, it is all or nothing. The jews will never to concede to that. As long as the Palestinians insist on getting all of their way all of the time, they will continue to be dissapointed, bitter, and impotent.
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 The Palestinians accept the two state solution, but what two states are you talking about? What was essentially being offered in the "Peace Accords" were: Israeli settlements stay + the Palestinans get "Bantustan" style camps not even connected by road. In order to access them, Palestinans would have to seek permission from the the Israeli army to use the roads? The Israelis purposely made an offer, they knew would likely be refused+ then blamed Arafat for the failiure of talks..
070911021302 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 In my view, the founding fathers of Israel probably never had any intention to confine themselves to the borders of modern Israel. I have read letters by Ben Gurion where essentially he explains a covert tactic of accepting the UN mandate but gradually pushing out the Arabs by force so that Israel controls+ occupies much of Palestine eg Jerusalem, Gaza+ the West Bank. That was the secret plan+ that is what essentially has happend from 1947 to now.An expanded "Greater Israel"
070911021302 2 months ago
@070911021302 I can't say that I blame the jews for holding the palestinians at arms length, racial profiling, or even the building of the Wall. When your neighbors declare daily in thought and deed their every intention to destroy you, you have every right (particularly with the history of these people) that you should take them at their word. Still, I must know....id palestinian terrorism "justified" in your opinion? Is it morally correct to fire a rocket indiscriminately into a settlement?
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 why hold the Jews to a higher moral standard than the Arabs--or, more correctly, to hold the Arabs to no moral standard whatsoever? I can assure you, if the palestinians had ever even tried non-violent resistance, or at non-terroristic resistance, they'd have garnered much more sympathy among westerners. It is hard for westerners to be sympathetic to a people who use the same tactics employed by other muslims in perpetrating attacks of their own nations.
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 Whilst I admired much of the work of Ghandi and Martin Luther King. I will practice non violence when the other man practices non violence. Why should the Palestinians be non violent against a heavily armed Israeli US+ UK backed oppressor who is and continues to be extrenely violent. Palestinians don't want sympathy. They want their land, their sovreignty. Are they supposed to throw their bodies against tanks and planes for sympathy.
Non violent? Jews have learned the hard way..
070911021302 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 Thats your problem. You don't blame Jews for anything. You pathologically argue for Jewish exceptionalism + excuse their crimes+ misdemeanours. Whilst I generally oppose the deliberate and reckless targetting of civillians, rockets fired at the IDF are not acts of terrorism. The IDF are an ilegal occupying army+ have no rights. As for settlements the IDF bomb Palestine every week. They will kill 10 or more civillians to target one so called terror suspect.
070911021302 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 The dark irony is that many of the returned Jews who claim Israeli citizenship today have no ancestral connections to Israel at all. Their ancestors never ever set foot there. They are not the Sephardim, the descendants of those forcibly expelled over a thousand years ago. Many of them are (the descendats of) jews from Eastern Europe, Ashkenazis later converts to judaism. These people claim to have greater rights to Palestine than Arabs who have lived in the region for centuries..
070911021302 2 months ago
@070911021302 Well, certainly their claim to "greater rights" to the region are questionable, but if this DNA is in their bodies, they are Jews, and were originally from this region. Further, no matter where they were from on earth, they have a shared history of persection. The Arabs have 40+ nations of their own. The Jews have 1. This is simply a matter of Arab pride being hurt over the fact that the Jews took back a place that the Arabs had ousted them from long ago.
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 Lots of people have been persecuted, to a greater extent than Jews, can they go to Palestine as well and claim land as being there own?!
Anybody can convert to Judaism. There is no jewish DNA and no race called Judaism. Any more than there is a race called Catholicism or Protestansim. There are black jews+ white jews.
Besides, I thought it was the Romans who ousted the Jews from Aincient Israel not the Arabs. Your Anti-Arab racism and anti- Muslim bigotry is very obvious...
070911021302 2 months ago
@070911021302 There absolutely is such a thing as Jewish DNA, and it is actually being used to vett prospective applicants for Israeli citizenship. Certainly anyone can convert to Judaism (the religion) but Judaism is both a religion AND a race. You know very well that there is an enormous difference between Christianity. and Judaism on the racial and ethnic level. And I never said the Arabs "ousted" the Jews from Israel. Did the Romans build mosques on the ruins of their holiest sites?
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 Unlike Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazi Jews are slavic peoples from Eastern Europe who converted to Judaism. Therefore they cannot possibly have Jewish DNA. They have no more "Jewish" DNA than any body else from that part of the world eg Turks, Poles, Armenians, Russians. You may argue ethnic differences but your racial arguments are weak. There are black, white+ hispanic christians as they are black, white, asian and hispanic jews. After all were not Moses and Solomon both Africans??!
070911021302 2 months ago
@070911021302
The Jews of Europe are not Slavic converts. Next.
Chinomareno 2 months ago
@Chinomareno Please explain the racial+ ethnic origin of European Jewry and please explain the difference between a Sephardic Jew and and an Ashkenazi Jew.
070911021302 2 months ago
@070911021302
They aren't not another race btw, as far as ancestry goes The Jews of Europe share genetic ties to the people of the Levant, In fact more so than the population they've settle amongst. They really are Diaspora people. Sephardi Jews are merely those who lived in Iberia before the Reconquista, largely fleeing to Morocco and North Africa, then more recently Israel. Ashkenazi merely refers to the populations of central and eastern Europe, basically Jews from Germany originally.
Chinomareno 1 month ago
@Chinomareno The Sephardim are the jews who lived in Portugal + Spain, but more than that THEY are the decendants of the Jews of Asia+Africa. The Ashkenazis are descendants of Jews from Eastern Europe. My understanding is that the Ashkenazis are relatively recent converts to Judaism NOT people of Asiatic Hebrew origin. They were ethincally slavic peoples who converted to Judaism. Not the descendants of Hebrew people who had been expelled from aincient Israel.
070911021302 1 month ago
@070911021302
Your understanding is wrong then, DNA evidence does not support the idea that the Ashkenazi are converts of 9th century Khazars or other European tribes. Of course the Jews have intermarried and mixed with their host nations to an extent and there has been a natural drift but their genetic origins in the middle east have been found in multiple studies. I'm going on the scientific consensus.
Chinomareno 1 month ago
@070911021302
The idea of a Jew is more of nationality and ethnic culture, they've remained remarkable isolated, kept their traditions and religion intact. While they retain middle eastern genes it's not good to get hung up on that, it's not important when considering the legitimacy of the Jewish state. I've always wondered had the Arabs won in 1948 would we be at all concerned with the the plight of Israeli refugees? I think not and I have no greater sympathy for either party.
Chinomareno 1 month ago
@Chinomareno I think we can agree that Judaism is not a race+ more a sense of cultural identity. Most european and American jews have no genetic link to the so called middle east as neither they nor their ancestors ever set foot there. The legitimacy of the jewish state is not really an issue. Neither is your sympathy.
The behaviour of the state of Israel, its continued violation of international law + persecution of Palestininans however is a major issue.
070911021302 1 month ago
@070911021302
I meant that there is no such thing as race, we can trace our ancestry closely but genetically we are remarkable similar.
Israel's handling of it's affairs leaves much to be desired but at the same time it's a stupid messy situation. That is not an endorsement of the Deterrence Policy, just recognition relations will never be normal. Neither side's political establishments have a sincere wish for peace, the Palestinians are not innocent in this game either.
Chinomareno 1 month ago
@Chinomareno
blablablabla fuck off, the only crime palestinians have committed is refusing to leave all of their lands to the jews.
stop blaming the victim.
ahmed337799 1 month ago
@ahmed337799
Leave your manufactured outrage somewhere else.
Stop being a moron, thanks.
Chinomareno 1 month ago
@Chinomareno
loser, focus on my comment rather than the picture next to it.
thanks.
ahmed337799 1 month ago
@070911021302 So you are a Muslim living in the UK? Many Native Britons feel that their country is under occupation and would like to see a lot fewer Muslims in their country. Are you wiling to conform to what the true inhabitants of THAT country want? Or are you among thoase always clamoring for undue respect and the implementation of shar'ia law?
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 The last time I checked the last time Britain was threatened with Military Occupation was circa 1941+ the last time it was successfully invaded was 1066. There are approximately 62m inhabitants of Britain and approximately 58m of them are white. There are estimated to be approximately 2 million Muslims in the UK. What has this got to do with Israels 45 year old illegal and brutal military occupation of Palestine+ its treatment of Palestininan people??? NOTHING
070911021302 2 months ago 3
@oldstock1607 Your assumptions re my race, religious belief or political dissuasion are irrelevant + unfounded.
Suicide bombings in the context of the conflict are a relatively new occurence.Israeli agrresion began in earnest in the 1940s long before there was any suicide bombings. Suicide missions are an inevitable tactic given that essentially a civillian population is being occupied by a much larger military force. Its not one army vs another. Suicide bombing is a red herring here...
070911021302 2 months ago
@070911021302 They were not assumptions. I was asking you outright. If you are Muslim, I can understand your convictions on the subject. If you are a westerner with no familial or cultural ties to the region, then I have a much harder time understanding your preoccupation with this conflict.
oldstock1607 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 It is irrelevant whether I am Muslim or not. Millions of people around teh world have pronounced view of this conflict and many of them are not Muslim. In the same way millions of people have views on issues on which they have no obvious racial, familial or religious interest or affiliation. You did not need to be black to argue against South African apartheid or Muslim to oppose the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan. It is a moral and/or political stance that one chooses to take...
070911021302 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 This argument that Palestinans would do the same to Israel, if they were reversed is unfounded + irrelevant. The fact is the situation is not and has never been reversed. Israel expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from modern day Israel,not the other way around Israel illegally occupies Palestine, not the other way around. The Palestines are essentially reacting to the long and brutal occupation. Israeli aggression began long before there was a PLO or a Hamas
070911021302 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 I am not sure what International Laws you think Israel has ahered to throughout this conflict since 1948+ certainly 1967. The expulsion of Palestians from Israel was illegal. The occupation of Palestine is illegal. The occpation of the Golan Heights is illegal. The so called Israeli settlements in Palestine are illegal. Kidnapping is illegal, detention without trial is illegal as is torture. Oh and Palestinians as well as many Egyptians+ Jordanians are "Semites" too, are they not?
070911021302 2 months ago
@oldstock1607 Illegal invasions, illegal occupations, illegal kidnapping, detention without trial, torture, targeted assassinations + bombing of civillians. These are the actions of a terrorist state. To describe the killing of tens of thousands of mostly civillians as " eggs getting broken" is cruel + speaks volumes for your mentality + the low regard in which you hold Palestinian lives. Its a myth to pretend Israel is a defender of itself, when it has perpreatted the gravest acts of aggression
070911021302 2 months ago
@070911021302 I suggest you read Sam Harris's "The End of Faith." Not only does he provide the world with a more nuanced view of the palestinian-Israeli conflict, but he takes Chomsky to task for his casuistry.
oldstock1607 3 months ago
you gentiles are Pathetic Always take some jew and make him god or Messiah just like the jesus and kerl marx and know this noam chomsky did you ever wondering why is this all your biggst gods and messiah and your intellectuals from right and left are jewish and you wonder how we the jews call are self the chosen people dont diss this
comment in 100 yreas from know your kids will things that holly histroy just like your Fathers Though't demn even the arebs belive in a jewish idea of god
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SunnySide247 7 months ago
I would like to conduct a thought experiment, directed mainly at Professor Chomsky devotee's. Question: How would Professor Chomsky's perspective on the Israel/Palestine conflict change (if at all) if he were to suddenly become convinced of the truth of the Hebrew Bible (that it represents a true revelation of G-d, that the Prophets were true prophets and that the land of Israel, including the West-bank, was in fact deeded to the Jewish nation by G-d)?
lourak 8 months ago
@lourak I have a few questions for you; hopefully you will respond. I want to know where in the Hebrew Bible G-d putatively deeded the land of Israel (including the West Bank) to the Jews? I want to know why you think your interpretation of the verse (or verses) in question is correct? I want to know what you think the Hebrew Bible takes itself to be? And, finally, I would like to know whether you think that the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians is in accordance with G-d's will?
bayreuth79 8 months ago
PART 1 - @bayreuth79 Thanks for responding! Alright - firstly, that Bible verses mention the land of Israel (borders to be defined) being deeded to the Hebrew people is not controversial according to biblical scholars. The subject is admittedly complex, as the borders change from time to time, and there is even a verse in which G-d promises to "expand the borders". I refer you to the following verses: Genesis 15:18-21; Exodus 23:31; Numbers 34:1-15; Ezekiel 47:13-20.
lourak 8 months ago
@lourak You claim that the land of Israel has been deeded to the Jewish people and according to you this is uncontroversial amongst biblical scholars. I am curious who these biblical scholars are? I know of no serious biblical scholars who believe that G-d has deeded the land of Israel to the Jews; and I have studied the bible at university.
I suppose you believe the bible is inerrant? You are a biblical fundamentalist, as you seem to think that your interpretation is the only valid one.
bayreuth79 8 months ago
@bayreuth79 To clarify again: I am not making any claim here as to the divine nature of the Bible - I am merely quoting from that source. We could, of course, quibble as to the meaning of the word "deeded", but it is quite remarkable, at how "modern" the biblical language is, in respect to this. Again - going on the assumption that the Bible is true, I know of no scholars, that dispute the text as expressing, clearly and without equivocation, that G-d has "deeded" this land to the Jews.
lourak 8 months ago
PART 2 - @bayreuth79 The verses in Numbers give a detailed metes and bounds description. It is uncontroversial, among biblical scholars, that the West Bank is included. "Why do I think my interpretation is right"? - Well - this is not my interpretation, but the unambiguous words of the biblical text. "What do I think the Hebrew Bible takes itself to be"? - I'm not sure I understand your question.
lourak 8 months ago
@lourak There are no unambiguous words in the bible! It is the essence of biblical fundamentalism to think that one can move from the text to understanding without interpretation, as though it was entirely clear and unambiguous. This is naivety. It is curious that people who have this understanding of scripture all have different interpretations of the bible. "Sola Scriptura" and inerrancy have led to literally thousands of different Protestant denominations. It is a recipe for disunity.
bayreuth79 8 months ago
@bayreuth79 Thanks for responding again! To clarify: I'm not looking to engage in a debate on biblical exegesis here. When I referred to the " unambiguous words of the biblical text" in my comment above, I was referring, merely, to the boundary descriptions. Sorry for any "ambiguity" in my comment! FYI - I am not a literalist, by a long shot, in my understanding of biblical texts. Nor am I a "fundamentalist", whatever that may mean...
lourak 8 months ago
@lourak You don't want a discussion about biblical exegesis; but that is what is at issue here. I am saying that I can see no reason to suppose that we have to take certain verses in the OT to be literally applicable today, especially when a literal interpretation of those texts is inevitably going to lead to greater hostilities and loss of life in an already fraught situation.
bayreuth79 8 months ago
@bayreuth79 Alright - this is getting a bit closer to the point I was looking to address - good! Firstly, let me say that your point here sounds reasonable enough to me - however (and this is a big however) the Israeli's we are speaking of here, don't agree with your idea. They think that they have an obligation to follow the literal meaning of those verses, which are not, after all, in the manner of other possibly metaphorical verses in the Bible. How to deal with them???
lourak 8 months ago
@lourak The Israeli state is secular. There are of course Zionists motivated by their religious beliefs (based on a fundamentalist reading of scripture) but most of them are motivated by secularism. The first Zionists were avowedly secular; in fact they were mostly Marxists when they first started returning to Israel.
bayreuth79 8 months ago
PART 1 - @bayreuth79 Great! You raise an important point - which brings me even closer to the subject I want to discuss. Firstly, you should know that the question of religion is quite complex. It is true that Israel and most of its leaders, historically, have been secularists, for the most part. However, in common discourse, it is quite often that we hear non-religious (orthodox) Israeli's invoke the name of G-d.
lourak 8 months ago
PART 2 - @bayreuth79 So - although you are right, that strictly speaking, they are not committed, properly speaking to a religious life-style, none the less, these individuals do, in many cases, derive there political philosophy, in part, from a religious tradition. This is admittedly a difficult subject. For our part, I don't think it's relevant for the purpose of our discussion, if I may be allowed to frame it...
lourak 8 months ago
PART 3 - @bayreuth79 Alright then - now here's my question: How would you engage an extremely zionistic Israeli in a discussion about "the right to the land" - and how would you engage the secularist (let's assume an atheist for now)? Let's start there...
lourak 8 months ago
PART 3 - @bayreuth79 "whether I think that the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians is in accordance with G-d's will"? - I would say no. I believe the Israelis should be more aggressive in rooting out the minority of radicals among the Palestinians. Thanks!
lourak 8 months ago
@loura You want the Israelis to be more aggressive?! It saddens me that people who claim to be Christians can have such an attitude towards a victimized people. In 1967 the Palestinian territories were occupied by the Israel army. This was condemned at the time by the UN and even the U.S. This occupation has continued since 1967 until the present time. The Palestinians are being deprived of their humanitarian rights; and it is a disgrace. G-d cares more for justice than he does for landownership
bayreuth79 8 months ago
@bayreuth79 Please don't take my words out of context. My statement, again: the Israelis should be more aggressive in rooting out the MINORITY OF RADICALS (aka terrorists) among the Palestinians. I certainly wouldn't mind discussing the Arab / Israeli conflict in general terms some other time, but for the purposes of my original proposition, that discussion goes way outside of its intended aim.
lourak 8 months ago
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90% of the people in Israel are not Jews nor Semitic. They may call themselves Zionist, but they are not the Jew. One must be born a Jew! Those who occupy Israel are from the Synagog's of Satan, and they rule over the USA. It was already written before it happen. ONE MUST BE BORN A JEW! THESE PEOPLE DON'T EVEN LOOK SEMITIC. THEY ARE THE FALSE JEW! THEY HAVE NO TRIBAL SEED!
Born2Flesh 9 months ago
IN 47', the PLO told all arabs to leave Israel so that when the Arab armies conquered it, they could come home. Basically, the Arab states wanted to be able to shell Israel indescriminately wihout worrying about killing Arabs. But Israel made ALL arab residents full citizens in 48' despite the fact that Jews who had been living in Syria, Jordan, Lebannon, The West Bank, and Gaza, for hundreds to thousands of years were ALL kicked out by the newly formed Arab states and never allowed to return
durhamdf 9 months ago
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The so called "Palestinians" of today
do not represent a nation or people,
merely a bunch of Wannabe-Nazis.
Their ideology despises both,
the Land of Israel and the People of Israel.
ThePrideOfIsrael 9 months ago
Why do people listen to his wacky narratives that simply take glib accusations with no context? The guy is not even coherent, but as long as the words please you, you kiss his ass.
constructivereconcil 10 months ago
@constructivereconcil Glib accusations? He is documenting verifiable facts. He only sounds incoherent if you don't understand that he is annotating his statements as he goes in order to give the events historical and political context.
AnimaAnnie 10 months ago
@AnimaAnnie Ok, then verify that a single Arab was kicked out of Israel in 47 BY THE ISRAELIS. Exactly, this is pure propaganda that assumes the myth that there was ever a "palestinian" state. THe only people who were removed from their homes were the Jews living in what becamethe arab states despite living there for centuries. Israel has made many mistakes, but it is understandable dealing with neighbors who have vowed to "drive you into the sea" for 60 years and never sought out peace
durhamdf 9 months ago
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Noam will you please die already, nobody gives a shit about what you have to say, you are a self hating liberal Jew. May you please Die already, the sooner the better. Amen
ZionIDF 11 months ago
Israel is just like South Africa, except we don't have an 18% HIV infection rate.
rachelgolem 11 months ago
How proud Texas must be of upstanding citizens like yourself. You express yourself so well and with such passion. I commend your English teacher. Such command of the English language and so articulate. I bet you could write a book too.
gocar1962 11 months ago
I absolutely am against the oppression of any people, based on any reason and especially their religion. I know for a fact that I would have given Ann Frank a place in my attic had I been given the opportunity. One does what one can to stamp out injustice. However, we are not talking about Jews here but the Israelis which seems to be a different breed.
gocar1962 11 months ago
@gocar1962 youre so self fucking righteous. youre all theory and you obviously have no real life experience. you sound like a lazy rich pseudo intellectual. you sound like youd be too busy shitting your pants to make some room in your attic for even your own mother.
hailsatan666abortion 11 months ago
@gocar1962 obviously you're not opposed to the censorship of language though, you fucking twat. keep fighting the good fight from the safety of your rich ass neighborhood.
hailsatan666abortion 11 months ago
Why did it have to be a "Jewish State" ?Why did the refugees from Europe not just settle peacefully in Palestine without declaring a separate country thus making Palestinians foreigners in the land they were born?
gocar1962 11 months ago
who tha fuck is gonna listen to chomsky, the guy is a bumbling schmuck
raza121 11 months ago
Obviously you have never read any of his books, most of which deal with American intervention in South America and not Israel. I have heard him lecture and answer questions and he it the perfect gentleman and, I would say, a pacifist. Of course, these days a pacifist would meet the same fate at Jesus Christ did.
gocar1962 11 months ago
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The ultimate proof of Israel as a bankrupt culture is when you see Israeli men throwing molotov cocktails at each other in public squares, to protest their current government.
rachelgolem 1 year ago
Can you imagine what an example it would set for the world if we were able to find a way to live in peace in Eretz Yisrael? All the pieces of the puzzle are there: a shared monotheistic tradition, a shared land, and shared economic, political, and cultural interests. Perhaps we are closer to actualizing this goal than most people realize. May G-d bless us with the wisdom and strength to achieve this
tikkunolam613 1 year ago
A PRAYER FOR PALESTINE FROM A JEW:
Let us help them to create something extraordinary,just as we have for ourselves-it is in our best interest to do so.Let us help them to build a home they will love with all their hearts, as we love Israel!Wouldn’t we both be foolish to risk damage to something so precious?We are both great nations…let us never forget this.Let us nurture peace with our enemies, and recognize that they are a mirror…reflecting light unto the nations
tikkunolam613 1 year ago
it´s never too late to change opinions... read about the nazimuslim division "Handschar" and the collaboration from the palestinian leader to kill all jews or should i say zionists! Finkelstein says nothing about it because his theory will be trashed because it shows who the real fascist-racist pig is! WATCH HITLER UND DAS ISLAM
mypoliticalchannel 1 year ago