If the woman said she doesn't want her foot amputated, the doctors should leave her the hell alone. Adults have the right to refuse treatment, for whatever reason, whether doctors agree with them or not. If she's vacillating, and her family believes it's because of the drugs she's being given, that should be taken into consideration. Hospitals usually have ethics boards that handle this kind of situation. I'm an atheist, but I believe this woman's right to self-determination should be protected.
She is young to have six heart attacks was she poisoned by the husband how now whats to wait "for preying to work". Me thinks the five new heart attacks after the prey started is a clue that it is useless to prey. Not that I believe in any God but didn't your God send you the medical staff with the knowledge to save his wife's life?
My heart goes out to this family. I think they're acting irrationally and may very well have already paid the consequences for that, but here's one atheist hoping that if there's a god, he does give that woman a new foot.
The priest says the Lord will save them and they keep preaying. Later the SAR team comes with a helicopter. The priest sends them away saying that the Lord with save them. Eventually the water rises and the people all drown. When the priest comes in front of the Lord he asks "Why didn't you save us Lord?" The Lord answers: "You idiot! I sent you the firebrigade, a boat and a helicopter and you just didn't catch on!!!"
A flood happens as people are in mass on sunday. The priest says lets pray to the Lord to save us. The water rises and the fire brigade comes and tells people they should leave. The priest says that they wil stay because the Lord will save them and they climb onto the roof. they keep praying. Then men in a boat come along and tell them to get in the boat. (continued)
If praying actually worked, that would mean God decides to help you, but totally ignores everyone else. All the millions of people dying each year due to starvation and disease (which apparently God also created). Awesome! Lets all pray that I win the lottery!
All i have done, is to try to understand how you see praying. If there are limits, if so what are they, what does praying do etc.
It seems to me that you somehow got offended by this, and i have no idea why. All im doing is asking about things you believe in.
If you dont know an answer just say so, if you cant explain it just say so. I dont think i have even asked too hard questions, i have tryied to make them real easy for you to answer.
I have given you a proper response. Prayer is talking to your god. I don't know what else I can say. You are trying to lead me to say that prayer will result in the desired outcome all the time, healing or getting a new car etc but that’s silly to me. God is a timeless all knowing etc etc being. I am not. He has his own ways and does as he wants. Who am I to tell him what to do? Why won’t/doesn’t god heal amputees? That’s not a simple question that can be answered in a comment.
@BizaroMustard100 You're talking about casting a spell. Say a bunch of words for a desired effect. However I’m talking to a being with a will of his own so even though I can talk to him about whatever I want he can respond in any way he wants. The exception is he can’t go against his own nature. This is why I say to study. You don’t even know what you are saying. Your ignorance is thinking god is simple.
David Lane Craig would be a good starting point for you. Listen to his lecture about why there is evil and is it logical to believe in god. He talks in a educated but accessable way that isn't hard to follow. If I understood all there is about god then he wouldn't be god. Humans don't have the time or capacity for such understanding. Some are more ignorant than others though and they tend to be the one's who profess to know more than most unfortunatly but there easy to spot
You have not even told me what kind of a God you believe in before now, and you expect me to already know what kind of a God you believe in. And then you complain about me thinking ''God is simple''? Stop puting words in my mouth -.-
Did you by any chanse mean ''william lane craig''? If not would you mind giving me a link to this lecture, since all i could find was william lane craigs lectures.
@Turha101 Sorry, I mean't William Lane Craig. Im also sorry I didn't explain what god I believe in. God is all knowing, all loving, everywhere and is in everything as well as outside of the creation, outside of time and before time. He also is at the end and throughout time at once. These vids are a good start.,
The Problem of Evil - Dr. William Lane Craig
Does God Exist - Christopher Hitchens vs William Lane Craig
7 Reasons God Exists and 3 Reasons It Makes a Difference
I havent yet listend to the debate longer than 16 minutes to be able to see how well dumb lane is. He even went down the road that there is no proof for atheism, and he was trying to make it seem like atheist want to disprove God which simply is false. That is not what atheism is about, its simply about that you dont believe in a God
I have seen several debates with lane in them, and he has not once made a convincing argument IMO
@Turha101 Really? What do you disagree with? I personally thought hitchens debate was crap on hitchens end. All he could do was give christianity shit and make some piss poor arguments that were off topic. Are you listening to him as if he is talking about a specific religion or the fact that he thinks and argues that a god logically exists? One that sticks in my mind is how everything has a cause but gods nature allows him not to need a cause or begining.
I didnt mind Hitchens in that debate, he went with his usual style of debating.
However Craig also did what he usually does, which is using the moral argument + the casual argument, i have no problem with debating these two. Especially the casual argument, which has been shown to be flawd several times.
I have yet to hear a logical and solid argument for the existence of a God from Craig.
Besides Craig again showed that he does not know what atheism, nor what agnosticism means.
@Turha101 Fair enough. Atheism is a non beleif in a deity, some don't think about it and others have thought and decided that there is not a god.. Agnosticism is not knowing if there is but there could be god as much as there isn't. They tend to give the answer of I don't know. A theist is someone who believes there is a god or gods. They then decide on which god is the most plausable and choose that religion or simply just believe there is a god. Is that right? Or do you see it differently.
Debate - William Lane Craig vs Christopher Hitchens - Does God Exist?
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Thats one spot where craig clearly states that
Atheism = a belief that god does not exist
He did even go on to positive atheism, but i wont hit that. He clearly said that atheism is a belief that a God does not exist, which is false.
I also recall him mixing up the agnosticsm term, but i cant be arsed to watch the whole 2 hours debate again, i can try to find it for you, but dont hold your breath :)
@Turha101 But atheists dpn't believe god exists. As I said Atheism is a non belief in god. Atheist don't believe that god exists. And he rightly called that sect of atheism positive atheism. You positivly say god does not exist. Where as other atheists just don't care. That section of atheism is called passive atheism. A lot of thought has gone into this subject over the thousands of years so there are many sub catagories of atheism and agnosticism. I gave the simple definition and so did you
@BizaroMustard100 William Lane Craig is a Research Professor of Philosophy at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University. He earned a Ph.D. in Philosophy University of Birmingham, England Th.D. at the University of Munich He is very educated about this sort of thing and is respected by atheist and theist alike. To say he doesn't know the meaning of words like atheist or agnostic is silly and shows your lack of knowlege. Disagree with him on some points but he isn't that dumb.
It also does not matter what titles Craig has, that does not make him any more right about this particular subject. Note when i call someone stupid or dumb, im not talking about their whole personality, im usually talking within a certain context. And here i was talking about Craigs knowledge with atheism, agnosticism.
And Craig clearly showed that he does not know what the word atheism means.
Also i have yet to hear any atheist respect Craig anymore than any other human being.
@Turha101 Also watch this clipof hitchens. See its this sort of nonsense from atheists that makes me cringe /watch?v=AHIIjfxr4o0&feature=watch_response
I love the channel
/user/WhyEvolutionIsTrue
It shows great doco's and lectures on evolution and it seems the best explanation for the differences of life. As with theology though, dawkins, hitchens and many more just disappoint me and they have no good reason for their belief in "there is no god" Positive atheism
I would like to know where you got that information about Hitchens and Dawkins. I cant say much about Hitchens, however Dawkins does not hold a belief that there are no Gods, if you read his book you would know this.
Why did you start to talk about evolution and Hitchens / Dawkins anyway? What do they have to do with anything? You said that Craig can put forward a logical argument for God, and thats why we started to talk about Craig.
@Turha101 Sorry if I added something to this. I meant it by, if you see the link to the clip of the hitchens debate you will see just one out of many failures to make a reasonable argument and a total breakdown of any reasoning skills. He looks like a doofus. Dawkins was scared to debate him. I see this but then I watch scientific programs (on the channel i showed you) and it looks wonderful. So I guess I can see what lane and darwinists have to say. It makes semse to me but atheists don't.
You mean Dawkins was scared to debate Craig? I find thar hard to believe, even tho that has nothing to do with anything, and neither does Hitchens.
Lets keep this about Craig, as it was kinda supposed to be from your post about Craing and his logical argument.
You said Craig has made a logical reason / argument to believe in a God, now i would really want to know what that is. Since all i have heard from Craig has been the same old refuted stuff. :o
@Turha101 Well I guess if you know all his arguments then there is nothing new I can tell you. Its also hard to write much in a small comment but I will try. God is the metaphysical ultimate, without a need for a cause and exists by the necessity of its own nature. Like mathematics is an abstract object, which we use presuppitions to explain. One of gods would be that there is a beginning of existence and so there needs to be causation for matter time energy etc (cont)
@BizaroMustard100 Cont This would be god as he is timeless, spaceless, immaterial, enormously powerful and personal. So following the fact that we have a beginning and the beginning had a cause it would be logical for that cause to be god with these characteristics. If he had a cause then that would be god but I already wrote why he doesn't need one
The casual argument has several flaws in them. First it takes up a problem that we see with our current understanding, and then it assumes an answer.
Do you have any evidence of this ''uncaused metaphyiscal ultimate, timeless, spaceless, immaterial, powerful, and personal'' being? If not, why do you assume it exists?
Since to me this all sounds like that you understand that there is a problem, and then instead of saying ''i dont know'' you simply say ''God did it''.
@Turha101 Two things. Yes it boils down to "god did it" Its logical under the circumstances And two I'm not talking about the god of the gaps. Nor am I talking about a being that has qualities like zues. Think about the nature and reason for the god I talk about and tell me why he logically cannot exist. But yes you are right in "we can not prove god using the scientific method" but given all the information we have god is logically the best answer.
No its not logical, since you actually are using the God of the gaps argument
You are basicly saying that there is a problem with the amount of causes / time going on forever, that therfor there is a being which does not have the same problem who caused everything.
Its not a good answer, i dont really see it as an answer at all, since its basicly ''i dont know so therfor God did it''
What information do we have about any God? And which God would that be?
@Turha101 It's more than "I don't know so god did it". There is a logical reason he lays out step by step. Even if you disagree you should know what they are. There are many things science can't prove but are logical to be considered true. Now I've thought about this for a few days and I've come to the conclusion that both of us have considered the same information. But we come to two opposing conclusions. So what is the difference between us. I don't know. cont
My reply will be very long, and it would take up like 7 comments, and i dont really feel like spamming this video with comments replying to what you have written.
I am willing to send you a PM, where i answer what you have asked / said here, if you want.
If you could do that it would be great. I was thinking the same thing. You just simply can't put forth anything tangible in one or three comments. So PM me when you want. No rush. As I said before, I have seen enough to grasp the theory of evolution and see its the best explanation we have. I also have seen enough theist and atheist lectures and debates to see the atheist fall apart. But like any good free thinker I am willing to keep searching. So thanks for taking the time with this
@Turha101 cont You seem to be intelligent enough. There was some religion growing up. Nothing bad but not really memorable. Did you have a religious influence and was it good/bad? I don't think you just simply don't believe because you believe in your world view enough to converse with me and I doubt I'm the only one you have commented to. It just makes sense to me. The argument for god is greater than the argument for "there is no god". I would like to hear one if you could. cont
@Turha101 cont 3 Do you have an argument for "god does not exist?" This I would love to hear and I really hope its not the usual Gaawwd did it vs Stupid, believing in an imaginary friend. Its sad that great minds have thought about this for thousands of years and now we live in a magical age of science ppl stupefy it to that. I say this because you must have heard some well thought out arguments and decided against them for a reason. cont
It would be interesting to hear your response so I hope it is more than "science can't prove it" as I've said. the scientific process can't prove a lot of things even the science of mathematics cannot be proved scientifically. Thanks in advance.
This is the same flaw many people have done, one great example is with lighning and Zeus. When people did not know how lightning was formed, they simply said, that it must be caused by a God.
Just because there is something we dont have an answer to, does not mean that the answer is God.
If you want we can get into the whole ''what does atheism really mean'', however i would like to take one subject at a time.
I also find it to be so funny when you complain about my ''ignorance''. Do you really think that all you God believers believe in the same God, or even in the same type of a God?
Its easy for me to see, that even within christianity people have differenve views on God, on what kind of a character he / she is, the Gods powers etc.
I would say i know what im talking about, but i dont assume i know what your beliefs are, which is why im asking questions.
No im not, im simply trying to see excatly how you see prayer, i dont know why you are being so offensive all the time
To put it really simply, does praying have an effect on this world, yes / no?
Also if its simply that God does whatever he wants, whats the point with praying then? Or do you believe that if you say pretty please with puppy eyes, you might get what you want? :P
Dont you consider telepathy to be basicly magic? Or how do you talk to this ''God''?
I'm a Christian and this story makes me sad. I don't think he is stupid but he wants the impossible. Doctors should have the right to make these kind of decisions because they are not emotionally invested in the patient. Over the years God has given me great comfort and I have experienced things I cannot explain, but death isn't the end. I don't know all the answers but I definitely see doctors if I'm sick. Poor family.
@Turha101 I see doctors because they have knowlege I don't. I'm not sure the reason for prayer but I know its not a list of things to do to get a desired result. People may pray for different reasons but the outcome usually isnt what ppl hope for. Mabe learn about prayer and you will understand it a little. I don't understand it completely by any means.
Not sure what you really mean with ''try to understand prayer'', its not really such a hard concept. Since as far as i see it, it is people asking a divine being that they believe exist, for help / support / etc.
I guess what i would want to know from you is what do you think prayer does? Even tho you said you do not understand it, i just want to try to understand your view on this.
Again im not trying to be insulting, im just interested in these things.
@Turha101 Read what philosophers or theologians teach to have a broader understanding of what prayer is. Prayer to me is simply talking to god. Now whether there is a god or not is a different thing. I believe it’s logical for god to exist and talking to him is prayer. For me it’s that simple. For others it means different things.
I dont really think i have such a missunderstanding of prayer, and even if i started to do some reasearch it would again depend on who you are asking, theist among themselves have different views on what they think praying is / does.
But you did not really answer my question, which was what excatly do you think praying does? Anything else than cit chating with a God that you believe in? Do you think you can for an example get cured if you have an illness, and you pray?
If I understand what you're getting at. Apart from talking to God. Prayer makes me feel good, comforted and all that stuff. Will he do as I say? If I wish for it really hard, its still up to him what he does. So I can't give you an answer you want. Just point and laugh at the fact I believe in God. Since when has that not been enough for ppl like you to make fun of.? Trying to lead my answer is being dickish. You have enough now.
Would you say that there are any limits to what praying for something might result in? For an example, do you think someone who has had a limb amputated, would be able to get the limb to regrow by praying? If yes, why has this not, as far as i know, been documented, if not, why not?
I have tryied to be as respectful as i can be, i dont know why you assert that i would laugh at religiouse people or anything like that.
The arrogance of these people. Even if there was a God, why would he be concerned with one woman's toes when medical science can just amputate and make this woman function as a person again. These people are so arrogant to believe this God is their bellboy that they can just summon to do their wishes.
what's wrong with defending my faith? I don't go around telling you that you're of lesser intelligence because you don't believe in what I believe. Why do so many people get offended by prayer? So far you guys have shown the same amount of tolerance for Christians as a racist man shows people of other races.
@Thelionzeronine Amazing. Another ignorant lunatic. The amputation obviously has to be made as soon as possible, because this kind of shit always gets worse quick.
@Thelionzeronine "So far you guys have shown the same amount of tolerance for Christians as a racist man shows people of other races."
I show as much tolerance for Christians as the babble demands they show for everyone else's beliefs...ie. none. The main difference is, the babble demands the faithful to kill or convert all non-believers. Whereas I just mock the backwards stupidity, hypocrisy and willful-ignorance of Christianity.
@Thelionzeronine We get offended by ignorance as should everyone...that's how all the progress in human civilization has been made...not by repeatedly asking a sky fairy to help without it ever working...explain to the people of Japan where God was that day!..and if you come back with some shit about them not being believers,then explain to the rest of us how exactly your god is merciful and omnipotent.
Such a sad story, the doctors have the chance to give this women some resemblance of a normal life and her family is too narrow minded to realise it. The term "ignorance is bliss" really does come to mind when you hear stories like this.
I'm a Christian and I think sometimes people take it a bit too far. To us nothing is impossible to God but some Christians fail to realize is: God created some people to become doctors for a reason.
@Thelionzeronine "God created some people to become doctors for a reason."
What happened to free will? Why is it religious people DoubleThink their way between "free will" and "god's will" and not ever see the irreconcilable contradiction? And why is it, if "God created some people to be doctors", as you claim, why are most doctors non-religious? and therefore going to hell according to your mythology?
wait till you who are saying stuff like "fucking idiots" are overcome with grief. thats a real sad tale i hope the woman has managed some good times after. her family are just thinking there is no real hope for her with all those heart attacks and amputations, to let her do whatever she wants even if it means refusing another amputation, praying for a miracle that will never happen just to give her the feeling of control back. People mention praying and others forget to understand. Sadd tale :(
@MansonFan64 FINALLY! a person with a question that stops the nonsense dead on its tracks!
These foolish people pray for everything and do nothing, they defer everything to an unexistant imaginary friend. They give thanks to god for everything other people do and when the woman dies they will thank god for easing her pain and rationalize somehow he needed her in "heaven". Oh the endless cycle of self supporting nonsense. Why did't god regrow her other foot?
Just kick the patient out of the hospital and let the family pray for her. And do this for every religious freak. The fewer freaks there are, the merrier we shall be.
The entire prayer thing is such a joke. It is the absolute contradiction of everything they say about God. The whole "God has a plan" thing just goes to shit if he's willing to change ANYTHING because of prayer. There is no god, and even if there was, he wouldn't give a fuck about who wins the Super Bowl, or some individual prayer.
Medicine is a gift of God - to reject it in favour of waiting for God to work a miracle is completely unnecessary, and is the sin of testing God. The medical procedure is the answer to the prayer.
@5355vbxjbj76rvn Actually, there have been numerous studies done on the effects of prayer. The largest was a decade-long study which involved 1,800 heart surgery patients who were prayed for by devout believers. The studies indicated that there were no significant beneficial effects from prayer.
@5355vbxjbj76rvn actually medicine didnt just fall from the sky, it was developed with years of research in human history. i think your view on the world is wrong. in other words your giving credit to something thats "possibly" there rather than giving it to someone who put effort on finding it
I'm sorry but I just had to say one more thing. Why did they even bother to take her to the hospital? Why didn't they just leave her at home and call all their friends to pray for her?
He said that he believes that "God is the only reason she is still here." Well then, isn't God responsible for her being sick in the first place? Or is it that God is only reponsible for good things but never for bad things?
Sadly, I think so. These people only count the hits while ignoring a much greater amount of misses. Take a plain crash for example. If ~200 people die and 1 person survives, it's god saving that person.. The worst thing is, most religious people don't even know what a logical fallacy is, or they are willfully ignorant.
@anon6739 I believe many of them are willfully ignorant. Why would an omnipotent and omniscient God allow so much suffering by his 'beloved children' on 'his creation'? Epicurus' quote:
I see how that man is a loving husband who only wants what's best for his wife. The problem is that when he thinks is best, really isn't, and that by doing what he thinks is right, he's actually slowly killing her. It's so sad to see.
This is a classic case of child abuse - fair enough, there is no clergyman with his cheesy dick up the young girls cunt... BUT TO MAKE HER SUFFER while family and friends delude themselves while trained doctors wait by, then that is the VERY SAME CRIME.
"they kept praying through five more heart attacks..."
LOL
I'm okay with this. Perhaps they will weed themselves out of the gene pool by denying necessary medical treatment to each other in exchange for sitting around doing nothing.
That's all she's got? wtf? no, she still has her life, she still has a family and she still has the rest of her body. she'd be better off than a lot of other people.
I say it should be law if dumbasses WANT to wait for "prayer", doctors should let them idiots pray and NOT get sued for just letting them do it.....there will be less dumb people in the world.
Here's what that family is REALLY thinking: Hmmm maybe if the doctors let her die, we can sue and get rich!
So they are either REALLY fuckin stupid, or smart for finding a way to get rich from a hospital....
Natural selection at its best. The strong will survive and the weak (retarded dumb ass fucks) will breed themselves out of existence. These fucking no-minds SHOULD be allowed to have their delusions. Let them pray for each other and not take any action. We know how these stories turn out. Remember, their children will be brainwashed at an early age and will grow up to have delusions just like their parents.
There is no hope for the majority of these people. Let them kill each other with prayer.
christians like these people are sad because they actually believe that prayer will solve their problems. let me enlighten you sad fucks, prayer does NOTHING! prayer is empty. you are talking to nothing, but air. air which is not living or spiritual. you might as well let the docter cut her hips off, huh?
geez i hate people who have FAITH.i can stay her and type up a rant but i'll say this. FAITH X{ is useless, nothing, nonexistent, delusional, bigotry, hypocrisy and schizo;faith doesnt help
Total ignorance, God gave us the brain to think and study science and make medicine to cure our diseases....that's his intervention....he provided humans with the knowledge by opening their eyes to see it, in different times throughout the history of humanity....
What would have happened if the doctor decided not to interfere with their religious nonsense and the woman something ends up happening to the woman, will they blame the doctor for not doing more? Utter Absurdity!
Just goggled Angela Joe Fisher Wright, and yes she died June 8. Damn religious people, stupidity kills, why does the news never do the follow up stories to expose this BS.
@jklarson66 That is a fantastic quote, I will try to remember it for future reference. There have been many studies done on the effects of prayer. All of which clearly exhibited that prayer has no effect. One study cost two million dollars and it found that not only did prayer NOT have any beneficial effect but the people that knew they were being prayed for had slightly more complications; possibly because they were relying on prayer....
"One person working does more than 1,000 praying."
I think its funny god needs more time to perform a miracle.
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If the woman said she doesn't want her foot amputated, the doctors should leave her the hell alone. Adults have the right to refuse treatment, for whatever reason, whether doctors agree with them or not. If she's vacillating, and her family believes it's because of the drugs she's being given, that should be taken into consideration. Hospitals usually have ethics boards that handle this kind of situation. I'm an atheist, but I believe this woman's right to self-determination should be protected.
YY4Me133 7 months ago
haha wow, I thought Sarah palin was dumb, haha this brings it to a new level.
235RB 7 months ago 2
wow prayers are useless they don't do jack shit.
Wolfboy2012 8 months ago
She is young to have six heart attacks was she poisoned by the husband how now whats to wait "for preying to work". Me thinks the five new heart attacks after the prey started is a clue that it is useless to prey. Not that I believe in any God but didn't your God send you the medical staff with the knowledge to save his wife's life?
christinepeace 9 months ago
Stupidity is at it again.
TheThordir 10 months ago
Like a bad joke...
reandor 10 months ago
My heart goes out to this family. I think they're acting irrationally and may very well have already paid the consequences for that, but here's one atheist hoping that if there's a god, he does give that woman a new foot.
BrooklynRagtag 10 months ago
im sure they'll feel great after she dies.
RJPBurtonBoards 10 months ago
The priest says the Lord will save them and they keep preaying. Later the SAR team comes with a helicopter. The priest sends them away saying that the Lord with save them. Eventually the water rises and the people all drown. When the priest comes in front of the Lord he asks "Why didn't you save us Lord?" The Lord answers: "You idiot! I sent you the firebrigade, a boat and a helicopter and you just didn't catch on!!!"
memsinan 10 months ago
There this Joke:
A flood happens as people are in mass on sunday. The priest says lets pray to the Lord to save us. The water rises and the fire brigade comes and tells people they should leave. The priest says that they wil stay because the Lord will save them and they climb onto the roof. they keep praying. Then men in a boat come along and tell them to get in the boat. (continued)
memsinan 10 months ago
If praying actually worked, that would mean God decides to help you, but totally ignores everyone else. All the millions of people dying each year due to starvation and disease (which apparently God also created). Awesome! Lets all pray that I win the lottery!
deffan84 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
All i have done, is to try to understand how you see praying. If there are limits, if so what are they, what does praying do etc.
It seems to me that you somehow got offended by this, and i have no idea why. All im doing is asking about things you believe in.
If you dont know an answer just say so, if you cant explain it just say so. I dont think i have even asked too hard questions, i have tryied to make them real easy for you to answer.
Turha101 10 months ago
@Turha101
I have given you a proper response. Prayer is talking to your god. I don't know what else I can say. You are trying to lead me to say that prayer will result in the desired outcome all the time, healing or getting a new car etc but that’s silly to me. God is a timeless all knowing etc etc being. I am not. He has his own ways and does as he wants. Who am I to tell him what to do? Why won’t/doesn’t god heal amputees? That’s not a simple question that can be answered in a comment.
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 You're talking about casting a spell. Say a bunch of words for a desired effect. However I’m talking to a being with a will of his own so even though I can talk to him about whatever I want he can respond in any way he wants. The exception is he can’t go against his own nature. This is why I say to study. You don’t even know what you are saying. Your ignorance is thinking god is simple.
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
David Lane Craig would be a good starting point for you. Listen to his lecture about why there is evil and is it logical to believe in god. He talks in a educated but accessable way that isn't hard to follow. If I understood all there is about god then he wouldn't be god. Humans don't have the time or capacity for such understanding. Some are more ignorant than others though and they tend to be the one's who profess to know more than most unfortunatly but there easy to spot
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
You have not even told me what kind of a God you believe in before now, and you expect me to already know what kind of a God you believe in. And then you complain about me thinking ''God is simple''? Stop puting words in my mouth -.-
Did you by any chanse mean ''william lane craig''? If not would you mind giving me a link to this lecture, since all i could find was william lane craigs lectures.
Turha101 10 months ago
@Turha101 Sorry, I mean't William Lane Craig. Im also sorry I didn't explain what god I believe in. God is all knowing, all loving, everywhere and is in everything as well as outside of the creation, outside of time and before time. He also is at the end and throughout time at once. These vids are a good start.,
The Problem of Evil - Dr. William Lane Craig
Does God Exist - Christopher Hitchens vs William Lane Craig
7 Reasons God Exists and 3 Reasons It Makes a Difference
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
I havent yet listend to the debate longer than 16 minutes to be able to see how well dumb lane is. He even went down the road that there is no proof for atheism, and he was trying to make it seem like atheist want to disprove God which simply is false. That is not what atheism is about, its simply about that you dont believe in a God
I have seen several debates with lane in them, and he has not once made a convincing argument IMO
Gonna watch the rest, but im already disapointed
Turha101 10 months ago
@Turha101 Really? What do you disagree with? I personally thought hitchens debate was crap on hitchens end. All he could do was give christianity shit and make some piss poor arguments that were off topic. Are you listening to him as if he is talking about a specific religion or the fact that he thinks and argues that a god logically exists? One that sticks in my mind is how everything has a cause but gods nature allows him not to need a cause or begining.
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
I didnt mind Hitchens in that debate, he went with his usual style of debating.
However Craig also did what he usually does, which is using the moral argument + the casual argument, i have no problem with debating these two. Especially the casual argument, which has been shown to be flawd several times.
I have yet to hear a logical and solid argument for the existence of a God from Craig.
Besides Craig again showed that he does not know what atheism, nor what agnosticism means.
Turha101 10 months ago
@Turha101 Fair enough. Atheism is a non beleif in a deity, some don't think about it and others have thought and decided that there is not a god.. Agnosticism is not knowing if there is but there could be god as much as there isn't. They tend to give the answer of I don't know. A theist is someone who believes there is a god or gods. They then decide on which god is the most plausable and choose that religion or simply just believe there is a god. Is that right? Or do you see it differently.
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
I would put it like this
Atheist = someone who does not believe in God(s), for whatever reason
One subcategory of atheism is
Agnostic atheist = someone who does not believe in God(s), but also does not claim to know wether God(s) exists or not
Theist = someone who believes in God(s) for whatever reason
One subcategory of theism
Agnostic theist = someone who does not claim to know wether or not God(s) exists, but chooses to believe anyway
Not that much different from yours
Turha101 10 months ago
@Turha101 Yeah there pretty much the same.
So what do you mean by "Besides Craig again showed that he does not know what atheism, nor what agnosticism means"
How do you think he see's it and why is he wrong because I thought he thinks basically what we both wrote.
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
Debate - William Lane Craig vs Christopher Hitchens - Does God Exist?
1:32:55
Thats one spot where craig clearly states that
Atheism = a belief that god does not exist
He did even go on to positive atheism, but i wont hit that. He clearly said that atheism is a belief that a God does not exist, which is false.
I also recall him mixing up the agnosticsm term, but i cant be arsed to watch the whole 2 hours debate again, i can try to find it for you, but dont hold your breath :)
Turha101 10 months ago
@Turha101 But atheists dpn't believe god exists. As I said Atheism is a non belief in god. Atheist don't believe that god exists. And he rightly called that sect of atheism positive atheism. You positivly say god does not exist. Where as other atheists just don't care. That section of atheism is called passive atheism. A lot of thought has gone into this subject over the thousands of years so there are many sub catagories of atheism and agnosticism. I gave the simple definition and so did you
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 William Lane Craig is a Research Professor of Philosophy at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University. He earned a Ph.D. in Philosophy University of Birmingham, England Th.D. at the University of Munich He is very educated about this sort of thing and is respected by atheist and theist alike. To say he doesn't know the meaning of words like atheist or agnostic is silly and shows your lack of knowlege. Disagree with him on some points but he isn't that dumb.
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
It also does not matter what titles Craig has, that does not make him any more right about this particular subject. Note when i call someone stupid or dumb, im not talking about their whole personality, im usually talking within a certain context. And here i was talking about Craigs knowledge with atheism, agnosticism.
And Craig clearly showed that he does not know what the word atheism means.
Also i have yet to hear any atheist respect Craig anymore than any other human being.
Turha101 10 months ago
@Turha101 He also has a very good grasp of what an A-theist is. Did you see the 2 min clip and if so what don't you get?
/watch?v=AHIIjfxr4o0&feature=watch_response
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
Atheist do not believe in a God, you are right about that.
Sure there are subcategories of atheism that means someone who believes that there are no Gods, however thats not what atheism in itself means.
To quote Craig for what he said:
''What is normally called atheism, is true, that is to say the belief that God does not exist.''
This is one point were Craig is simply wrong.
Later Craig changed to a subcategory, however he did say atheism, and he was simply wrong.
Turha101 10 months ago
@Turha101 Also watch this clipof hitchens. See its this sort of nonsense from atheists that makes me cringe /watch?v=AHIIjfxr4o0&feature=watch_response
I love the channel
/user/WhyEvolutionIsTrue
It shows great doco's and lectures on evolution and it seems the best explanation for the differences of life. As with theology though, dawkins, hitchens and many more just disappoint me and they have no good reason for their belief in "there is no god" Positive atheism
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
I would like to know where you got that information about Hitchens and Dawkins. I cant say much about Hitchens, however Dawkins does not hold a belief that there are no Gods, if you read his book you would know this.
Why did you start to talk about evolution and Hitchens / Dawkins anyway? What do they have to do with anything? You said that Craig can put forward a logical argument for God, and thats why we started to talk about Craig.
And IMO Craig did not do this.
Turha101 10 months ago
@Turha101 Sorry if I added something to this. I meant it by, if you see the link to the clip of the hitchens debate you will see just one out of many failures to make a reasonable argument and a total breakdown of any reasoning skills. He looks like a doofus. Dawkins was scared to debate him. I see this but then I watch scientific programs (on the channel i showed you) and it looks wonderful. So I guess I can see what lane and darwinists have to say. It makes semse to me but atheists don't.
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
You mean Dawkins was scared to debate Craig? I find thar hard to believe, even tho that has nothing to do with anything, and neither does Hitchens.
Lets keep this about Craig, as it was kinda supposed to be from your post about Craing and his logical argument.
You said Craig has made a logical reason / argument to believe in a God, now i would really want to know what that is. Since all i have heard from Craig has been the same old refuted stuff. :o
Turha101 10 months ago
@Turha101 Well I guess if you know all his arguments then there is nothing new I can tell you. Its also hard to write much in a small comment but I will try. God is the metaphysical ultimate, without a need for a cause and exists by the necessity of its own nature. Like mathematics is an abstract object, which we use presuppitions to explain. One of gods would be that there is a beginning of existence and so there needs to be causation for matter time energy etc (cont)
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100 Cont This would be god as he is timeless, spaceless, immaterial, enormously powerful and personal. So following the fact that we have a beginning and the beginning had a cause it would be logical for that cause to be god with these characteristics. If he had a cause then that would be god but I already wrote why he doesn't need one
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
The casual argument has several flaws in them. First it takes up a problem that we see with our current understanding, and then it assumes an answer.
Do you have any evidence of this ''uncaused metaphyiscal ultimate, timeless, spaceless, immaterial, powerful, and personal'' being? If not, why do you assume it exists?
Since to me this all sounds like that you understand that there is a problem, and then instead of saying ''i dont know'' you simply say ''God did it''.
Turha101 10 months ago
@Turha101 Two things. Yes it boils down to "god did it" Its logical under the circumstances And two I'm not talking about the god of the gaps. Nor am I talking about a being that has qualities like zues. Think about the nature and reason for the god I talk about and tell me why he logically cannot exist. But yes you are right in "we can not prove god using the scientific method" but given all the information we have god is logically the best answer.
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
No its not logical, since you actually are using the God of the gaps argument
You are basicly saying that there is a problem with the amount of causes / time going on forever, that therfor there is a being which does not have the same problem who caused everything.
Its not a good answer, i dont really see it as an answer at all, since its basicly ''i dont know so therfor God did it''
What information do we have about any God? And which God would that be?
Turha101 10 months ago
@Turha101 It's more than "I don't know so god did it". There is a logical reason he lays out step by step. Even if you disagree you should know what they are. There are many things science can't prove but are logical to be considered true. Now I've thought about this for a few days and I've come to the conclusion that both of us have considered the same information. But we come to two opposing conclusions. So what is the difference between us. I don't know. cont
BizaroMustard100 9 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
My reply will be very long, and it would take up like 7 comments, and i dont really feel like spamming this video with comments replying to what you have written.
I am willing to send you a PM, where i answer what you have asked / said here, if you want.
Turha101 9 months ago
@Turha101
If you could do that it would be great. I was thinking the same thing. You just simply can't put forth anything tangible in one or three comments. So PM me when you want. No rush. As I said before, I have seen enough to grasp the theory of evolution and see its the best explanation we have. I also have seen enough theist and atheist lectures and debates to see the atheist fall apart. But like any good free thinker I am willing to keep searching. So thanks for taking the time with this
BizaroMustard100 9 months ago
@Turha101 cont You seem to be intelligent enough. There was some religion growing up. Nothing bad but not really memorable. Did you have a religious influence and was it good/bad? I don't think you just simply don't believe because you believe in your world view enough to converse with me and I doubt I'm the only one you have commented to. It just makes sense to me. The argument for god is greater than the argument for "there is no god". I would like to hear one if you could. cont
BizaroMustard100 9 months ago
@Turha101 cont 3 Do you have an argument for "god does not exist?" This I would love to hear and I really hope its not the usual Gaawwd did it vs Stupid, believing in an imaginary friend. Its sad that great minds have thought about this for thousands of years and now we live in a magical age of science ppl stupefy it to that. I say this because you must have heard some well thought out arguments and decided against them for a reason. cont
BizaroMustard100 9 months ago
@Turha101 last one.......
It would be interesting to hear your response so I hope it is more than "science can't prove it" as I've said. the scientific process can't prove a lot of things even the science of mathematics cannot be proved scientifically. Thanks in advance.
BizaroMustard100 9 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
This is the same flaw many people have done, one great example is with lighning and Zeus. When people did not know how lightning was formed, they simply said, that it must be caused by a God.
Just because there is something we dont have an answer to, does not mean that the answer is God.
If you want we can get into the whole ''what does atheism really mean'', however i would like to take one subject at a time.
Turha101 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
I also find it to be so funny when you complain about my ''ignorance''. Do you really think that all you God believers believe in the same God, or even in the same type of a God?
Its easy for me to see, that even within christianity people have differenve views on God, on what kind of a character he / she is, the Gods powers etc.
I would say i know what im talking about, but i dont assume i know what your beliefs are, which is why im asking questions.
Turha101 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
No im not, im simply trying to see excatly how you see prayer, i dont know why you are being so offensive all the time
To put it really simply, does praying have an effect on this world, yes / no?
Also if its simply that God does whatever he wants, whats the point with praying then? Or do you believe that if you say pretty please with puppy eyes, you might get what you want? :P
Dont you consider telepathy to be basicly magic? Or how do you talk to this ''God''?
Turha101 10 months ago
Yeah well when you try to kill someone in the name of god, you should be removed.
kcf6969 10 months ago
Prayer , for sure the biggest waste of time on the planet .
mesaeddie 10 months ago
@mesaeddie not really, it keeps dick heads off the streets, lmao.
MonsterMozz 10 months ago
Heretics... losing that leg is Gods will.
They are going against Gods will .. they will burn in hell.
tilemacro 10 months ago
Well... I hope sense prevailed and I hope she's still alive.
eggnchip 10 months ago
I'm a Christian and this story makes me sad. I don't think he is stupid but he wants the impossible. Doctors should have the right to make these kind of decisions because they are not emotionally invested in the patient. Over the years God has given me great comfort and I have experienced things I cannot explain, but death isn't the end. I don't know all the answers but I definitely see doctors if I'm sick. Poor family.
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
Im not trying to attack you or anything im just curiouse. ^^
Why do you go see doctors when / if you get sick? Shouldnt praying to God also do the trick?
Turha101 10 months ago
@Turha101 I see doctors because they have knowlege I don't. I'm not sure the reason for prayer but I know its not a list of things to do to get a desired result. People may pray for different reasons but the outcome usually isnt what ppl hope for. Mabe learn about prayer and you will understand it a little. I don't understand it completely by any means.
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
Not sure what you really mean with ''try to understand prayer'', its not really such a hard concept. Since as far as i see it, it is people asking a divine being that they believe exist, for help / support / etc.
I guess what i would want to know from you is what do you think prayer does? Even tho you said you do not understand it, i just want to try to understand your view on this.
Again im not trying to be insulting, im just interested in these things.
Turha101 10 months ago
@Turha101 Read what philosophers or theologians teach to have a broader understanding of what prayer is. Prayer to me is simply talking to god. Now whether there is a god or not is a different thing. I believe it’s logical for god to exist and talking to him is prayer. For me it’s that simple. For others it means different things.
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
I dont really think i have such a missunderstanding of prayer, and even if i started to do some reasearch it would again depend on who you are asking, theist among themselves have different views on what they think praying is / does.
But you did not really answer my question, which was what excatly do you think praying does? Anything else than cit chating with a God that you believe in? Do you think you can for an example get cured if you have an illness, and you pray?
Turha101 10 months ago
@Turha101
If I understand what you're getting at. Apart from talking to God. Prayer makes me feel good, comforted and all that stuff. Will he do as I say? If I wish for it really hard, its still up to him what he does. So I can't give you an answer you want. Just point and laugh at the fact I believe in God. Since when has that not been enough for ppl like you to make fun of.? Trying to lead my answer is being dickish. You have enough now.
BizaroMustard100 10 months ago
@BizaroMustard100
Would you say that there are any limits to what praying for something might result in? For an example, do you think someone who has had a limb amputated, would be able to get the limb to regrow by praying? If yes, why has this not, as far as i know, been documented, if not, why not?
I have tryied to be as respectful as i can be, i dont know why you assert that i would laugh at religiouse people or anything like that.
I dont think i have lead your answer in any way.
Cont...
Turha101 10 months ago
Why would prayer need TIME to work? This is asinine.....
KMallinson 10 months ago
The arrogance of these people. Even if there was a God, why would he be concerned with one woman's toes when medical science can just amputate and make this woman function as a person again. These people are so arrogant to believe this God is their bellboy that they can just summon to do their wishes.
Drecon84 10 months ago
These people are commiting a crime and an inhumanity. This is atrocious!
PixelSlayer247 11 months ago
God doesn't heal amputees so they figure: get God to heal her now before his magical powers wear off and he is unable to do anything.
randomhobbyist 11 months ago
what's wrong with defending my faith? I don't go around telling you that you're of lesser intelligence because you don't believe in what I believe. Why do so many people get offended by prayer? So far you guys have shown the same amount of tolerance for Christians as a racist man shows people of other races.
Thelionzeronine 11 months ago
@Thelionzeronine Amazing. Another ignorant lunatic. The amputation obviously has to be made as soon as possible, because this kind of shit always gets worse quick.
OneStonedBastard 11 months ago
@Thelionzeronine because prayers are bullshit, no magical powers exist in this world, i want you to do something.
clear your head of all thoughts,
close your eyes,
take a deep breath,
lift your heady up and look around the room.
now think if its all really real
teedonster 11 months ago
@Thelionzeronine because in come cases, or specificly THIS CASE it hurt others.
powereater 11 months ago
@Thelionzeronine "So far you guys have shown the same amount of tolerance for Christians as a racist man shows people of other races."
I show as much tolerance for Christians as the babble demands they show for everyone else's beliefs...ie. none. The main difference is, the babble demands the faithful to kill or convert all non-believers. Whereas I just mock the backwards stupidity, hypocrisy and willful-ignorance of Christianity.
TheHigherVoltage 11 months ago
@Thelionzeronine We get offended by ignorance as should everyone...that's how all the progress in human civilization has been made...not by repeatedly asking a sky fairy to help without it ever working...explain to the people of Japan where God was that day!..and if you come back with some shit about them not being believers,then explain to the rest of us how exactly your god is merciful and omnipotent.
pieter292 10 months ago
What... The... FUCK
xYNewZealandRulzXy 11 months ago 2
there are worse things in the world than this
neoarcadezr 11 months ago
Why wasn't she on aspirin if she has been known to clot?
Seargent363 11 months ago
Prosthetics are an amazing thing these days.....just sayn....
Xceles618 11 months ago
Step 1: The doctors should amputate her foot as needed, removing only what is necessary and saving her life.
Step 2: The doctors should lobotomize her husband as needed, removing only what is necessary and saving his ability to think.
SubconsciousGatherer 11 months ago
Nothing fails like prayer. Robert Green Ingersoll said something similar to,"Hands that help are more useful than lips that pray."
If we humans don't help our fellow man, there is no one or nothing else that will.
TheKilgoretrout 11 months ago
Such a sad story, the doctors have the chance to give this women some resemblance of a normal life and her family is too narrow minded to realise it. The term "ignorance is bliss" really does come to mind when you hear stories like this.
gatedicath 11 months ago
oh my god. this is the saddest thing ive seen in a long time
AllyTV1 11 months ago
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That's all shes got, her foot, she don't even have a leg to stand on.....
tisuisse 11 months ago
I'm a Christian and I think sometimes people take it a bit too far. To us nothing is impossible to God but some Christians fail to realize is: God created some people to become doctors for a reason.
Thelionzeronine 11 months ago
@Thelionzeronine That's BS. Prayer doesn't do anything. Stop giving god credit for doctors.
StuartGilliganGriff 11 months ago
@Thelionzeronine Fail
alienlifeform11 11 months ago
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@Thelionzeronine "God created some people to become doctors for a reason."
What happened to free will? Why is it religious people DoubleThink their way between "free will" and "god's will" and not ever see the irreconcilable contradiction? And why is it, if "God created some people to be doctors", as you claim, why are most doctors non-religious? and therefore going to hell according to your mythology?
TheHigherVoltage 11 months ago
Anyone know if the prayer worked or is the girl hobbling around thanking Gourd for doctors?
MarlingTheDruid 11 months ago
If prayer actually worked, they could allow the amputation, then pray for a new foot.
TychoCelchu 1 year ago 51
OMG, wtf is their problem. She can fucking die, and they choose to believe in 2000 year old fairy tales, rather then science.
gulbirk 1 year ago
Keep praying. See how far it gets you. Morons.
ninjatofuu 1 year ago
wait till you who are saying stuff like "fucking idiots" are overcome with grief. thats a real sad tale i hope the woman has managed some good times after. her family are just thinking there is no real hope for her with all those heart attacks and amputations, to let her do whatever she wants even if it means refusing another amputation, praying for a miracle that will never happen just to give her the feeling of control back. People mention praying and others forget to understand. Sadd tale :(
RTGROY 1 year ago
Why the fuck do u need more time? What is god waiting for? Christmas?
rylove001 1 year ago
You're waiting for God's help?! He brought you doctors! What more do you want?!
mikek44224 1 year ago 8
You'd think that after a blood clot and five heart attacks, God's message would be pretty clear.
Psychosmurf547 1 year ago 5
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goliathcombatwalker 1 year ago
@Psychosmurf547
I think the message is...uh... I think God's message is uh.... F**k you?
goliathcombatwalker 1 year ago 6
Of course this happened in Texas. I am so ashamed to live in this state. -_-;
MansonFan64 1 year ago
@MansonFan64 FINALLY! a person with a question that stops the nonsense dead on its tracks!
These foolish people pray for everything and do nothing, they defer everything to an unexistant imaginary friend. They give thanks to god for everything other people do and when the woman dies they will thank god for easing her pain and rationalize somehow he needed her in "heaven". Oh the endless cycle of self supporting nonsense. Why did't god regrow her other foot?
tsunami770 1 year ago
@tsunami770 I think you replied to the wrong person :P
MansonFan64 1 year ago
So, wait. . .this dude thinks an omnipotent deity NEEDS MORE TIME?
MagicActor1987 1 year ago 2
Man this guy must have really hated his wife.
nick00goku 1 year ago
Just kick the patient out of the hospital and let the family pray for her. And do this for every religious freak. The fewer freaks there are, the merrier we shall be.
ahmedeox 1 year ago 6
If prayer is so powerful, why is it that a study to prove that prayer worked found that patients did worse when prayed for? LOL
Raezene 1 year ago 3
The entire prayer thing is such a joke. It is the absolute contradiction of everything they say about God. The whole "God has a plan" thing just goes to shit if he's willing to change ANYTHING because of prayer. There is no god, and even if there was, he wouldn't give a fuck about who wins the Super Bowl, or some individual prayer.
rep300 1 year ago
This should be illegal..
trippinlikegod 1 year ago
As harsh as it seems this is natural selection at work
azorulz 1 year ago 7
EPIC FACEPALM!
June28July 1 year ago
Religion, man... it really messes with your head.
shamantics 1 year ago
Medicine is a gift of God - to reject it in favour of waiting for God to work a miracle is completely unnecessary, and is the sin of testing God. The medical procedure is the answer to the prayer.
How can people be so dim ?
5355vbxjbj76rvn 1 year ago 3
@5355vbxjbj76rvn Actually, there have been numerous studies done on the effects of prayer. The largest was a decade-long study which involved 1,800 heart surgery patients who were prayed for by devout believers. The studies indicated that there were no significant beneficial effects from prayer.
CynicalSkeptic1 1 year ago
@5355vbxjbj76rvn actually medicine didnt just fall from the sky, it was developed with years of research in human history. i think your view on the world is wrong. in other words your giving credit to something thats "possibly" there rather than giving it to someone who put effort on finding it
Arsenal23TR 1 year ago 3
fuck these people
lockwoodisafaggot 1 year ago
Your wife is still here because she was on life saving machines, you fucking retard.
pbmdh 1 year ago
I'm sorry but I just had to say one more thing. Why did they even bother to take her to the hospital? Why didn't they just leave her at home and call all their friends to pray for her?
CynicalSkeptic1 1 year ago
He said that he believes that "God is the only reason she is still here." Well then, isn't God responsible for her being sick in the first place? Or is it that God is only reponsible for good things but never for bad things?
CynicalSkeptic1 1 year ago 2
@CynicalSkeptic1
Sadly, I think so. These people only count the hits while ignoring a much greater amount of misses. Take a plain crash for example. If ~200 people die and 1 person survives, it's god saving that person.. The worst thing is, most religious people don't even know what a logical fallacy is, or they are willfully ignorant.
anon6739 1 year ago
@anon6739 I believe many of them are willfully ignorant. Why would an omnipotent and omniscient God allow so much suffering by his 'beloved children' on 'his creation'? Epicurus' quote:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”
CynicalSkeptic1 1 year ago
On Facebook there is a crazy bitch that is like this family.
Kendra gale Stephens from lewisburg she is a nutty bitch.haha
lewisburgatheist 1 year ago
I see how that man is a loving husband who only wants what's best for his wife. The problem is that when he thinks is best, really isn't, and that by doing what he thinks is right, he's actually slowly killing her. It's so sad to see.
pr0kris 1 year ago
@pr0kris The problem is that 1) he's stupid and 2) our education system has failed to teach him and so many others how to think critically.
alexjohnc3 1 year ago
Ahh thats so cute... let them wait for the prayers to work. When the docs inform them that the foot has fallen off Ill want to see it.
Sevenfold120 1 year ago
Anybody knows what happened to her?
MykeSorrel 1 year ago
This is a classic case of child abuse - fair enough, there is no clergyman with his cheesy dick up the young girls cunt... BUT TO MAKE HER SUFFER while family and friends delude themselves while trained doctors wait by, then that is the VERY SAME CRIME.
freakystyley4000 1 year ago 2
I pray I get to tap his chubby blond daughter!
torchss 1 year ago
And when the lady dies, the family will sue the doctors for malpractice.
DeadFishFactory 1 year ago
Jesus....this is what "free will" gets you....good job.
SSGWhit 1 year ago
Do they sacrifice a goat, too?
ricardogaftoi 1 year ago
"I want her to keep her foot because that's all she's got."
...
So risking her life never enters the equation? Just the life of her foot?
-_-
Ubersuntzu 1 year ago 3
@Ubersuntzu
Seriously, it's not like she has a family or friends or a life or anything. Just that foot
RColemanVT 1 year ago
@Ubersuntzu Foot abortion is a SIN! Unless it's a faggot foot....a footgot.
CliffM85 1 year ago
Hey, if religious people don't want the proper treatment...I say fuck it...let em die.
PUGS1688 1 year ago 3
"they kept praying through five more heart attacks..."
LOL
I'm okay with this. Perhaps they will weed themselves out of the gene pool by denying necessary medical treatment to each other in exchange for sitting around doing nothing.
Pray, you fools, PRAY!
318197 1 year ago
I have an idea to solve our health care problems. If you believe in an all powerfull god you are not allowed to use or seek medical attention.
josephrl82 1 year ago 2
No medical intervention for the religious freaks of this world sounds good to me!
allreligionskill 1 year ago
That poor woman.
RaZorXwireXbabyX 1 year ago
also, why don't they just pray for her foot to grow back? is god too weak to do that, or are they to stupid to think of that?
atheistnarutofan 1 year ago
That's all she's got? wtf? no, she still has her life, she still has a family and she still has the rest of her body. she'd be better off than a lot of other people.
atheistnarutofan 1 year ago
I say it should be law if dumbasses WANT to wait for "prayer", doctors should let them idiots pray and NOT get sued for just letting them do it.....there will be less dumb people in the world.
Here's what that family is REALLY thinking: Hmmm maybe if the doctors let her die, we can sue and get rich!
So they are either REALLY fuckin stupid, or smart for finding a way to get rich from a hospital....
ironman711 1 year ago
I'll translate 1:18 for all of you,
With family saying, "It violates our religious rights"
and Doctors saying, "Suck it up idiots, lose the leg or lose the mom, your choice."
Teamawesome4 1 year ago
hows that foot god?
caseybv74 1 year ago
Natural selection at its best. The strong will survive and the weak (retarded dumb ass fucks) will breed themselves out of existence. These fucking no-minds SHOULD be allowed to have their delusions. Let them pray for each other and not take any action. We know how these stories turn out. Remember, their children will be brainwashed at an early age and will grow up to have delusions just like their parents.
There is no hope for the majority of these people. Let them kill each other with prayer.
iamsagacity 1 year ago
She died in June, I found her obit on legacy.com.
jwri1981 1 year ago
christians like these people are sad because they actually believe that prayer will solve their problems. let me enlighten you sad fucks, prayer does NOTHING! prayer is empty. you are talking to nothing, but air. air which is not living or spiritual. you might as well let the docter cut her hips off, huh?
geez i hate people who have FAITH.i can stay her and type up a rant but i'll say this. FAITH X{ is useless, nothing, nonexistent, delusional, bigotry, hypocrisy and schizo;faith doesnt help
NOVAGIRL666 1 year ago
Let the doctors amputate her feet and pray to God to grow another feet. For God, nothing is impossible, but you need to warn Him what's going on.
pedroamaralcouto 1 year ago
that twat should have his brain amputated. oh wait he already has
darthslain 1 year ago
You know what? Let them see if prayer works....let these idiots kill themselves off with religion....one of religions few comforting thoughts.
radicaledward40 1 year ago
Total ignorance, God gave us the brain to think and study science and make medicine to cure our diseases....that's his intervention....he provided humans with the knowledge by opening their eyes to see it, in different times throughout the history of humanity....
eliash1988 1 year ago
And this is why religious fanatics must not be allowed to have children and if they do,they must be monitored to make sure they dont cause harm.
ranchai100 1 year ago
Well, that darn foot is killing yo' wife! lol
bumsucker101 1 year ago
religion fail
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
Can they also wait for my prayers that Dwight Right is brutally murdered to work?
MrBiggMan 1 year ago
This is a family of nut jobs!!!!
zofoblues 1 year ago
What would have happened if the doctor decided not to interfere with their religious nonsense and the woman something ends up happening to the woman, will they blame the doctor for not doing more? Utter Absurdity!
IWantToBelieve2887 1 year ago
Lets see.. lose less than half a leg, OR DIE? Geeze, I dunno, that is a tough choice. *sarcasm overload*
Lockjaw95 1 year ago
and they say moderate religion doesn't hurt anyone......
wrightman690 1 year ago
wow the hospital should just dis charge her... they are wasting the doctors and staffs time
bozzza69 1 year ago
"Pray: To ask the laws of the universe to be annulled on behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy." -Bierce, Ambrose
TheMarikBathory 1 year ago 2
Just goggled Angela Joe Fisher Wright, and yes she died June 8. Damn religious people, stupidity kills, why does the news never do the follow up stories to expose this BS.
cappercastro 1 year ago 2
sweet! keep praying and when she dies give up belief in god
GGAlice1 1 year ago
fucking idiots...
saltkrakan1994 1 year ago 60
@saltkrakan1994 Don't attack people. Attack their opinions or they believe. It is not everyone that is able to have a critical mind.
tubetib 1 year ago
Give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish and you'll feed him for the rest of his life.
Give a man religion and he'll starve to death praying for a fish.
jklarson66 1 year ago 136
@jklarson66 you should say who that quote is from.
lethalninja492 1 year ago
@jklarson66 That is a fantastic quote, I will try to remember it for future reference. There have been many studies done on the effects of prayer. All of which clearly exhibited that prayer has no effect. One study cost two million dollars and it found that not only did prayer NOT have any beneficial effect but the people that knew they were being prayed for had slightly more complications; possibly because they were relying on prayer....
"One person working does more than 1,000 praying."
CynicalSkeptic1 1 year ago
@jklarson66 my favorite qute.
ssjmike92 1 year ago
@jklarson66 words of wisdom
DuffmanOhBaby 1 year ago
Maybe they should amputate and then let that redneck idiot pray for them to grow back. It is just as likely to work and everybody wins!
And if it works, I'll convert to whatever dumbass religion that interfering ignoramus believes in.
Nilguiri 1 year ago 2