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Because We are kick ass Qin,Han,Tang,Song,Yuan,Ming,Quing out from Vietnam.

And we are independent country.

BAIYUE1 9 months ago

That's true...but China insists that all territory which had been conquered by China has to be taken back. That's the logic I was trying to explain here. Vietnam is just an example used here. Chinese forumers claim Mongolia too nowadays. Ironically, two dynasties Qing and Yuan when China had the largest territory, China itself was conquered by Manchus and Mongols. Also, the maps in the video are wrong. Only Qing dynasty and ROC map closer to the true map of the time.

bctvanw 9 months ago

People please google chinese dynasty maps

then you will know that the maps posted in this video are for propaganda use only.

China wasn't that big in the past.

bctvanw 9 months ago

It shows a trend that China will inevitably become larger...Have you taken a class in international relations or geopolitics?

What happens in one era doesn't necessary translate into another era. Acquisition of previously uninhabitable or unsettlable lands like Mongolia, Tibet, Xinjiang depends on the technological extractive capacity and the means of technology at the time.

Siberia? China could easily take that shit, but vast quantities of oil give China now a reason to do so.

Phead128 9 months ago

google: china dynasty maps

youtube: History map of EAst Asia for 2000 years

Then you will know the maps in this video are totally for propaganda use.

btw. It was Mongolia that conquered China during so called Yuan, but not the other way around. Mongolia was conquered by Manchus.

China can claim all the lands they want, but I am here to say what's more correct about history. For example, Tibet was not part of China, but I acknowledge that Tibet is not part of China.

bctvanw 9 months ago

Have you taking a class on international relations?

Irrendentalist claims are justified under the theory of "Succession of states"

Phead128 9 months ago

what "Irrendentalist claims"? what?

As for "succession of states" ? you just brought up another discussion.

However, I can tell you that we human kinds make rules. If what you just mentioned is right, then the world map is not like what we have now.

What I said about the maps isn't about what we claim or own nowadays anyway. It's just like USA doesn't need to draw Hawaii or Texas within its territories for an early 1800 map to claim the lands. Why can't some Chinese face the truth?

bctvanw 9 months ago

What truth? What country are you from? I hope China conquers it.

Phead128 9 months ago

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Tibet was not part of China, but I acknowledge that Tibet is not part of China.

"is not" => "is now"

bctvanw 9 months ago

Chinese is liar.Liao,Yuan,Quing is not chinese dynasty.

BAIYUE1 10 months ago

Political subjugation does not preclude cultural assimilation into Chinese civilization.

Using your logic, Barack Obama is not "American" because he is of Kenyan descent. Barack Obama was assimilated into American culture and was born in a colony of the United States, Hawaii.

Phead128 9 months ago

But don't have any one say "Kenya is American dynasty,right?

BAIYUE1 9 months ago

Why does Marco Polo call the Yuan dynasty "China" and why does European diplomats visiting Qing call Qing "China"?

It's because Yuan and Qing both were culturally assimilated into Chinese civilization.

Phead128 9 months ago

This is only probem about "view of western who only know china as the strongest kingdom in Asia".For example,the western call southest asia include Vietnam,Lao,Thai,Campuchia is Ido-China,so all of them is China.No!

zhonguo is commonly for china through dynasty.

Han,Tang,SOng,Ming is chinese dynasty but Yuan is Mongolia dynasty,Quing is Manchu dynasty.

I know chinese want hide this true history,but call Yuan and Quing is china dynasty is only "fake" history.

BAIYUE1 9 months ago

Now,every one in china eat "Macdonald" as westerner,wear vest as westerner,speak english to commuinicate,.....many example,so you will call chinese was assimilated by western?

Yuan is MOngolia,and they still has Mongolia blood,has Mongolian core,is a part of Mongolia empire was found by Gensis Khan.They are verry intelligence when know combine different culture to make them more stronger.And shame with chinese if they still spread their lies that QUing and Yuan is "chinese dynasty"

BAIYUE1 9 months ago

Qing is China, Yuan is China. China never actually disappeared, it absorbed those Mongolian barbarians into Chinese civilization.

China wouldn't exist if Mongolians absorbed Chinese into Mongolian nomadic barbarian culture.

Phead128 9 months ago

Ok.If Yuan dynasty is china

Firslty,China belongs Mongolian,not of chinese.

Secondly.Mongolia defeated SOng dynasty and set up Yuan dynasty,so SOng dynasty is not chinese dynasty.

Same,Quing dynasty defeated Ming dynasty,soIf Quing is chinese dynasty,Ming is not chinese dynasty.

And Actually,what is chinese culture,chinese also rob many culture of other as Baiyue,Miao,...And Mongolia or Manchu also has their culture,not only chinese has civilization,other has also.

BAIYUE1 9 months ago

China should conquer Mongolia, and eradicate Mongolian culture.

Phead128 9 months ago

Even china conquer Mongolia,Yuan and QUing,Liao still are not chinese dynasty.

THis is problem.

In chinese history has some unreasonable as Huang di killed Si you,but both Huang di and Si you still ancestor of chinese.???

BAIYUE1 9 months ago

China already conquered Manchuria, and 50% of Mongolia is already under China's control. So it won't be long that Mongolian history will be the same as Chinese history.

Phead128 9 months ago

I told that "chinese should shame"

Even if chinese invaded Baiyue,Tibet,Manchu,Mongolia in past.But Baiyue kingdom as Nan Yue,Miao kingdom, Min Yue kingdom,...are not chinese kingdom,Tibet kingdom is not chinese kingdom,Yuan dynasty is not chinese dynasty,Quing dynasty is not chinese dynasty.

Shennong is ancestor of Yue people,not chinese.

Si you is ancestor of Miao people,not chinese

Huang di is ancestor of CHinese,true.

Chinese want fake,coppy every thing,but this so shame.

BAIYUE1 9 months ago

China should conquer Mongolia. Mongolia only has 3 million people, compared to 1.4 billion people in China. Piece of cake.

Phead128 9 months ago

Do you know Vatican,they only few hundreds people,very small but Vatican still country.

Do you know singapore,they also 3 millions people as Mongolia,very small but still independent country.

Not big is country,small still become country.

Cantonese has every factor to become one country as language(cantonese),history(2000 years),finance(rich),population(70 millions),little large but they still only one province and slave of Mandarin.

So you can't compare,it is unresonable

BAIYUE1 9 months ago

You obviously haven't taken a course on Geopolitics as a university.

Basically, the trend in history of man has been aggregation into large nation-states or empires. Why? Obvious, bigger states has more resources to provide safety, military defense, and protection of key biological sustaining and strategic items.

The trend in history is China getting bigger at the expense of weaker, smaller, and uncompetive states.

Take a class on this boy.

Phead128 9 months ago

Every one has this trend,I know.But chinese should accept fact that "YUan,QUingare not chinese dynasty".And YUan or QUing expand to profit for Mongolia,Manchu ,not for chinese.

BAIYUE1 9 months ago

Yuan and Qing are not Han Chinese dynasties, but they are still Chinese in the nationality sense that Yuan and Qing was still China, because political subjugation does not preclude cultural assimilation.

Phead128 9 months ago

Yes,chinese should write in chinese history book that "Mongolia invaded CHina( or zhong guo) ,and set up YUan dynasty.Similarly,MAnchu invaded china ,and set up QUing dynasty.Yuan and Quing are not chinese dynasty.

Han chinese actually is descendent of Chinese from yellow river,and Mongolia and Manchu is absolutely different from chinese(and next is Han chinese)

BAIYUE1 9 months ago

I've never heard of anyone, including myself, assert that Yuan and Qing were ethnically native Han Chinese dynasties.

However, China did not disappear, because China, despite military superiority of periphery states, China remained a large ethnocentric universe that remained quite sure of it's cultural superiority, despite relatively inferior in military terms to fringe elements of her universe (ie. periphery states like Mongols, Xiongnu, Manchu, etc...)

Phead128 9 months ago

Problem is chinese invaded one country,and after say that country is chinese country.Ok.this is fake

Chinese invaded other ethnic and after call ancestor of that ethnic is chinese ancestor.Forexample: Si you of Miao,not of Chinese,Shennong of Yue,not chinese.Ancestor of CHinese is Huang di.

Chinese was invaded by Mongolia,Manchu,....north ethnic.They set their kingdom in chinese territory +their country.But chines say that "they are chinese dynasty",this is unresonable.

BAIYUE1 9 months ago

Who says this? Mongols are not Han Chinese. Inner Mongolians are Chinese though, but Inner Mongolians are not HAN Chinese...

Phead128 9 months ago

Many chinese say this,and I think chinese was brainwashed by Mandarin government so much.

BAIYUE1 9 months ago

Mongolians are not Han Chinese, so Yuan was not a Han Chinese dynasty. (Obviously!)

However, Mongolians are ethnically Mongolian, so are Inner Mongolians, they are ethnically Mongolian, but they are Chinese as well (not Han Chinese obviously, but Chinese nationals).

Phead128 9 months ago

That's true, but it doesn't make Tibet and Mongolia part of China since ancient time.

You can say China now includes Tibet, but China didn't include Tibet in the past. If you check on antique maps online. Tibet and China were part of "Chinese Empire"(Manchu Empire). When the maps only show "China"; Tibet, East Turkestan, Manchuria, and Mongolia are not included.

Taiwan was part of Spain, Netherlands, and Japan in the past, that doesn't mean Taiwan is their territory forever.

bctvanw 9 months ago

Actually,your chinese history book is so fake,so shame!

I don;t like way chinese always fake every thing,they thing chinese citizen is brainwashed so much.

I want asked you one question" do you know Ruan An?who designed main part of Forbidden city Beijing?

BAIYUE1 9 months ago

No, but I know that Yuan dynasty is Chinese, and Qing dynasty is Chinese. CHINESE!!!

Phead128 9 months ago