LQQK! People have to take responsibilty for their own actions. OSCAR GRANT was fighting on the bart. If he was such a good dad, he should have been at home with his wife and kid. The real fact is he and his home boys where trying to rob someone and it back fired on them. Oscar went out with a bang. That nigga is (WAS)a thug. and now the family is trying to get 25mill, NOT going to happen. Hes only worth the cost of a cremation
@tjac59 he shot him in the back like a coward... thats all you need to know... i am white.. jus thought u all should know lol fuck the p.o.s cop... fuckin coward
thank you brave citizens again for speaking the truth, This is REALLY a national epidemic now with official violence being used against young black men and the guilty party getting a pass and being practically encouraged. This is not over: I also recommend that a mass letter writing campaign take place when we overwhelm all of our mayors, congress people, senators and governors with letters from all of us all over the country saying the same thing to them all - STOP TERRORIZING BLACK FOLKS. !
OSCAR GRANT WAS NOT HANDCUFFED, AND THAT IS A FACT!!! Had he allowed himself to be handcuffed, as his friends did, he would have lived to see another day. But he chose to assault officers and resist arrest, as he had done many times before. Check his record. Does that mean he deserved it? ABSOLUTELY NOT! But quit spreading your lies, people.
@zennie62 Chalk this up as a lesson for inncer-city minorities that never fight anyobdy one on one but only with 20 of their friends: When a cop is trying to arrest you, DON'T FUCKING RESIST!!! How hard of a concept is that to understand?
@zennir62 Chalk this up as a lesson for inncer-city minorities that never fight anyobdy one on one but only with 20 of their friends: When a cop is trying to arrest you, DON'T FUCKING RESIST!!! How hard of a concept is that to understand?
@zennie62 Chalk this up as a lesson for inncer-city minorities that never fight anyobdy one on one but only with 20 of their friends: When a cop is trying to arrest you, DON'T FUCKING RESIST!!! How hard of a concept is that to understand?
I agree with this poster that Mehserle reacted poorly to a stresful situation. But the officer did not react to his color, he reacted to the fact that he was pulled off a train for fighting, he attempted to assault officers, he resisted arrest. Halfway through this video the poster changes his mind because Mehserle actually pulled out his gun? Um, Grant was shot, of COURSE he pulled his gun. But he did intend to pull his taser and panicked, this is obvious.
I mostly agree with you zennie, however I'm not convinced that it was "racially charged." I've seen multiple stories in the news in the last couple of years about police officers tazering people in wheelchairs, tazerings kids, and have seen other brutal beatings committed by police on a restrained person.
If police brutality wasn't so prevalent, I would understand your view on that part of it more. They're VIOLENT PEOPLE! A few are probably racist but ALL of them are violent!
I mexican we are just doing the jobs that you dont want to do you all have degrees anyhow how can we take your job? i not american citizen but i have 7 hijos stupido and when they grow up they will send money back to mexico just like me why should i pay taxes if i worry about being deproted every day our birthrates our higher tan urz. ViVA La RaZA you white people will be extinct soonyou have no culture OH BTW I ON WELFARE 2 REPERATIONS FROM THE LAND YOU STOLE ND KILL. DAME MASdinero PENDEJAS
This guy needs go patrol the streets in Oakland on Fri or Sat night in an effort to keep the streets safe before he can really judge the Bart Officer's tragic mistake. Otherwise, sit back and enjoy the fact that you don't have too.
Why don't you get just as mad when our children(black) kill each other EVERY FUCKING DAY... But people get mad when the police shoots one of us. Now in chicago, everyday at least 20 children get shot or die.
Oakland is a FUCKING SHITHOLE. About 78% of all black males in Oakland are career criminals, its a FACT look it up. In places where crime is so high police are on edge and they treat everyone like a criminal because most people in Oakland have a lengthy record.
Straighten up that disgusting crime infested smelly fuckhole you call a city and MAYBE this won't happen.
@Letsmakeasamich Grant served two state prison terms for various felonies including a conviction for drug dealing.[32] In 2007 he was sentenced to 16 months at Alameda County Jail in Dublin for fleeing "from a traffic stop while armed with a loaded pistol".[9] During that incident, near his Hayward home, San Leandro police shot him with a Taser to subdue him after he threw the pistol into the air and ran.[9] The arresting officers testified that even after being Tased, Grant "continued to re
1) The officers had no idea what the man's past record was at the time of the shooting. Nor does it matter.
2) Regardless of his record, he was cooperating with the officers when he was shot.
3) He was handcuffed and face down when he was shot.
4) When he was shot, he posed no threat to the officers.
As a former law enforcement officer, I know you don't draw your weapon unless you intend to use it. The officer was wrong! Don't compound the problem through ridiculous rationalization.
@greasedog Anyone with any real law enforcement background would not make such irresponsible statements. The only ridiculous rationalization is trying to excuse Grants behavior up until the shooting, stating he was cuffed when he was not, and stating he posed no threat when he did. A further threat were the several people who encroached on (and attacked) officers. Mehserle intended to tase Grant, because he had to get him under control. He panicked, and made a criminally negligent mistake.
@greasedog Oscar Grant was resisting after assaulting 2 cops. That is a fact. Oscar Grant was NOT handcuffed. That is a fact. His past record does matter because it is a clear indication that he has an extensive history of resisting arrest and assaulting officers, that is why his record was admitted into evidence at the trial. He did pose a threat because he would not give up his hands to be cuffed. Literally nothing you said is true in the least.
@greasedog Somehow your lies remain at the top of the ratings, so I have to repeat:
1) It does matter what his record was, because he has a very extensive history of resisting arrest, as he did here.
2) He absolutely was not cooperating. He had assaulted 2 officers, and was clearly refusing to give his hands. They did not wrestle with him for 30 secs because it was fun.
3) No, he was absolutely NOT handcuffed, that is a lie.
1) The officers had no idea what the man's past record was at the time of the shooting. Nor does it matter.
2) Regardless of his record, he was cooperating with the officers when he was shot.
3) He was handcuffed and face down when he was shot.
4) When he was shot, he posed no threat to the officers.
As a former law enforcement officer, I know you don't draw your weapon unless you intend to use it. The officer was wrong! Don't compound the problem through ridiculous rationalization.
1) The officers had no idea what the man's past record was at the time of the shooting. Nor does it matter.
2) Regardless of his record, he was cooperating with the officers when he was shot.
3) He was handcuffed and face down when he was shot.
4) When he was shot, he posed no threat to the officers.
As a former law enforcement officer, I know you don't draw your weapon unless you intend to use it. The officer was wrong! Don't compound the problem through ridiculous rationalization.
No offense, buddy, but you don't have your facts straight.
First, you don't really know whether he was cooperating with the officers or not. And he was NOT handcuffed--not fully, anyway--at the time of the shooting. (I honestly don't know why people keep insisting otherwise.) Also, you can still pose a threat to others when you are face down, even when restrained to a high degree.
Lastly, you don't have to fire a gun in order to "use" it. So that argument is null, too.
@Letsmakeasamich Watch Brooklyn's Finest and see what cops have to deal with as well....fucking noogs create their own problems then cry "racism" when the shit hits the fan; could you imagine going to a job where every day is a hostile environment and black people calling you 'pig' just because your trying to do a thankless job and put food on the table for your family. Yes this cop fucked up, but not every 'cracker' cop is a Nazi Gestapo either!
I'm moving to a country where the police are your good friends and that country is Accra Ghana. I'm moving over there May 2012!!! hello!!! Accra!!! Ghana!!!
it seriously was a reaction by the bart police. I am sure they could have done something different instead of overreacting in the way that could have threatened another individual's life. I am sure the man couldn't have been posed a threat due to the fact that he was not seen carrying a gun.
No one but the officers conscience can say whether it was a mistake or not. Because he seems to fumble with his holster he may have meant to grab his tazer, WHICH, if you would actually educate yourself in police jurisdiction and have ever been in an adrenaline filled situation(they may have felt they were armed and dangerous). Not all police are crooked, you'll see one day if these "pigs" save your life. To the claim that police think "black men should be in jail"...don't forget he started it.
I'm in Police Foundations... I know for a fact police know the differnce between a tazer and a gun.... do you know the weight difference!!! a guns way heavier!!! your service weapon in your holster has three clips to remove before taking it from your holster. There would be no reasonable grounds even for use of force with a tazer. using an asp or baton would of been enough to control him... ABBvodka69 U should do some research yourself. Maybe on Police sub-culture u don't kno wat we're taught!
I disagree with your response that it happened because officers think African Americans belong in jail. To me this sad case seems to have been an accident. While trying to pin Oscars arms behind his back he did look to be resisting, regardless if their was an officer on his back. The way the officer stood up and backed a half step back drew his weapon and fired to me looked exactly how an officer would respond with a TAZER. I think this officer made a very FATAL error and should be punished.
Even a TAZER would not be the right thing to do. The Cop did not gets his gun out easily, which seems to me: he knew what he was pulling out. But even the Tazer would not be necesary: handcuffed lying on the floor, no violent behaviour.
I do greatly respect your opinion on the matter. Being a hopeful state trooper myself and after seeing this video I have spoken to several offciers about it and only one real explaination came out that seemed plausible to use in the defence of the officer. That is, was he trained to carry a pistol-grip tazer? I spoke to an officer who almost did the same thing when trying to reach for his tazer. THAT I think could be the only possible explaination.
I see we still have a problem with racism in this country. All the negative comments about this shooting. If you was to take black and white away, you still will be left with a man dead and a cop shooting a unarmed man. Not to forgot, this man was also restrained! If this was your family member, what would u do? Whether black or white!! Get a life, and you are the loser......
How do you know it wasn't an accident? You think he was just pretending to be surprised after he shot the guy? So he said to himself "I'm going to shoot this guy in the back in front of 50 witnesses, then I'm going to pretend to act surprised so I can claim it was an accident". Yeah, it was premeditated.
dude, an accident? braindammaged peaple like u self should be at a hospitol.. its just for u to whatch the fucking video and u´ll see that the idiot cop shooting was fucking dum.
Marther Luther King did fought for the blacks, but his fight was incomplete. He did 50% of the job, but he left the other 50%. That other 50% was that he never demanded nor fought for a seperate homeland for the blacks. The racial tension shows that all. He turned out to be a loser, and all his efforts are gone waste.
this is actually happening all across the police states of usa and canada corp. the only state this is not happening, is the state of denial. guns are being put on all people regardless of color, gender. Check out whats happening on the rez and you may realize this is happening everywhere.
I'm not defending the shooting, but from reports and the videos I've seen it was a pretty intense situation. There were fights breaking out and the police were surrounded by a pretty rowdy crowd. In a heated situation like that don't you think there is a possibility he meant to taser Grant instead of fire on him?
@Ian7570 That makes no sense whatsoever! I'm being surrounded by a hostile crowd, so I pull my gun and shoot the one I have face down in handcuffs? Come on man, you're better than that.
police american suppos be killed all, not even 1 alive, we agree all europa about that, in italia if a police it will do sometink like this, is 2 tinks, or he will die, or will die. stupids american crazy all!!!
The kid had his hands fastened and was on the ground. why would officer shoot him???? There are tapes proving that that is what happened. So yeah I say fuck the police for that one. Protect and serve my ass.
Anybody who complains about the police is just a lying asshole because if you REALLY thought that the police were corrupt YOU could resolve the situation by JOINING the police force and working as a force for good on the INSIDE. But no, you don't do that. You just bitch and whine and cry like Nancy Kerrigan. Boo hoo for Grant! Poor criminal got what he deserved! Boo hoo! All he did was assault a few people and cause a entire train to stop. Was that wrong? Oh poor, poor Grant. rofl
Once they are in the freemasons, the cops find themselves in slowly increasing situations, which require mutual trust, and co-operation betweeen them and other officer masons.
Before they know it, theyre in so deep, they CANT become good again.
In this way, their initial freemaosns lucifer worshipping vows and oaths, become realised, as reality.
And they KNOWthey are screwed, but their is no way out, so they just play along, and getting more an dmore like gangstaers.
I have to ask myself, "Why would a cop shoot anyone in the back, on purpose in front of all of these people?" Doesn't make any sense. Police sometimes get zero respect from people. These guys were being detained for a reason. Lets not forget that. I'm not justifying this kids death whatsoever, but was it on purpose... I dont think so, but this is what are judicial system is there for.
The only reason I can think that MIGHT have given him a shocked look after he pulled the trigger is that he might have pulled the gun 2 shoot him thinking it was his taser. But what kind of dumb fuck bastard R U that confuses his gun & his taser? Obviously your gun stays on your right hip because its your primary weapon. The taser usually goes on your front left side so U can reach it easily if of course U R right handed. The suspect was subdued. He took a life & threw his career away...
White people set Black people up to fail. I am white but I admit my racial responsibility and guilt in this. We owe reparations at $20,000 per white person to every black person. Thats why I converted to Islam and only date Black men because I want a mixed baby that won't be racist and won't know what white privilege is.
as i read the comments . i see that i could comment no this all day . its sad that would not change on thing..but i will say this ..if that was someone else that shot that man the cops would have shot or at least tackeld and arest him but that is not what happend . and then just try to cover it up. that alone is a crime . os every cop THERE should have been arested . and when did cops stop being people?because one comment says all people potential criminals .
I heard through the grapevine that Oscar stuck his hands in his pockets when Police attempted to cuff him. When you are ordered to keep your hands out of your pockets...one should do it. Police use of force policies have alot of what if situations....I'm not saying that the result was right. Oscar should have gone to jail for disturbing the peace and resisting arrest and should have gone to court moved on with his life.
YOU KNOW WHAT FUCK THE 4 POLICE THEY SHOULD HAVE TRAINED BETTER IN NOT BEING SHOT.. THEY KILLED Oscar Grant IN OAKLAND NO PROBLEM ..FUCK POLICE FUCK RACISM
I like how they don't mention that the filthy black ape's just got done attacking a white man on the train, thats why the pigs were there in the first place..
WHO CARES THAT SOME DIRTY STINKING APE GOT SHOT, ONE LESS WELLFARE CHECK TO SEND OUT.
You said that Oscar Grant was misidentified as being a thug for dressing hip hop: Grant was in his early 20's and already had 12 arrests on his rap sheet. Those arrests werent for dressing hip hop in public. With that said, the cop was obviously a moron and Grants family should sue and collect on this.
Why should Grants family recieve any money for raising someone who was arrested 12 times. Sueing the Dept will just take away more money from the city. Its quite obvious that Oakland needs that money for programs to help criminals with rehabilitation.
FUCKTHAPOLICE! It was deliberate and after the shot, the sick pig acted like like he just put out a cigarette, like a nazi who just smoked another death camp prisoner.
Your STUPID....."FUCKTHAPOLICE"? Your just as bad as the racist cop that shot Oscar. That was one cop you idiot. I once got jumped by 4 Mexicans, but I dont run around with a chip on my shoulder sayin "FUCKMEXICANS".
And by the way, Nazis' killed Jews because of there religion not because of the color of their skin.
The police officer after said "What have I done?" thinking maybe he was getting a Tazer and not a gun, but still, it is killing and is wrong. The man who died said "Please don't kill me, I have kids" to the officer who killed him before he died.
You know, homicide detectives aren't in squad cars on the highway hiding in the bushes trying to give people speeding tickets. Do all these lesser law enforcement officers really need guns? Why don't they wear full-on riot gear all the time? If they're not going to wear all that why can't they leave the guns behind as well?
Sure am. I don't think a cop uses a gun to write out my parking tickets. I don't understand the good side of a guy with a gun walking around public schools... Pointless to argue with bull-headed people though so piss off ^.~
But a cop does use a gun to stop someone from robbing a bank, or stealing a car, or sticking up a convenience store, or--drum roll--preventing a shooting in a PUBLIC SCHOOL.
They need to be prepared for these situations and more. A cop without a gun is virtually worthless.
I'm not saying disarm cops completely. I'm saying situations that don't require the use of deadly force cops do not need the option to have deadly force. If you don't know what the difference is then I pray to god that you're not a cop. --drum roll-- using a gun to stop a shooting is still a shooting you dipshit :P
"Using a gun to stop a shooting is still a shooting you dipshit." Wow. You don't say. (Where the hell do you people come from?)
Chief, the problem with your argument is that a cop is not going to know what situation requires deadly force until it actually happens. You keep mentioning things like parking tickets and patrolling schools. Well, people get confrontational in those situations at times--the cops in question have to be prepared.
The decision to apply deadly force has to be made in a split second. We all now know the sad alternative to not knowing the situation as it unfolds. Wake up people, even if you don't agree, you can argue your case in court.
I think you misinterpreted Spadadiforza's comment. I think he was speaking of anyone in Oscar's situation as they are being detained: Don't resist, and cooperate fully, BECAUSE you can argue your case in court. In other words, there's simply no need to carry on as you are being detained.
Again you're taking the responsiblity away from the cops and putting it on the public. People need to lay limp like a rag doll while the police do their thing because....police cannot control their urges to shoot you? Sorry man, still not buying. What is so wrong about stowing the guns in the squad until they are needed? We need solutions not excuses and excuses is all I see coming from cops and those who defend them.
What the hell are you talking about? All I did was clarify another poster's comment. I'm not taking any responsibility from the cops at all. Mehserle committed manslaughter, and he deserves to go to prison.
"Stowing the guns" is a kneejerk reaction. If a cop is attacked, or witnesses a robbery, for instance, you're not going to be able to arm them in time if the weapons are stowed. It's just not reasonable.
I understand your arguement, Let me reinforce that I believe that Oscar should be alive right now.(Period)
I don't agree with resisting lawful orders from a law enforcement officer. I'm not saying to lay limp, I'm giving those who don't understand The recipe to a win-win situation.
i agree,but at the same time i think cops nowadays need people sensitivity training,we as black people are already angry with situations and struggles,some which we have no control over,u'd be surprised at how most white people view us if we don't talk white or proper like them. point is i think police should do more outreach in the black community,not just pop up to throw hand-cuffs on us.I'm tired of police making these lame excuses that blacks don't want them in the community
I am also a minority, there is NO EXCUSE for having the "fuck the Police", mentality. Why do you speak the way you do? It is your choice and is under your control. Why do certain members of your community act the way they do? It is their choice and their behavior is under their control. I am responsible for my actions and blame NO ONE ELSE or racism. So you've been angry and had that mentality for so long...how is it working for you?
So by your logic, because a cop won't carry a firearm, the situations requiring deadly force will bypass the officer or detective happens elsewhere? Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
And by yours you put all risk on the public rather than the officers who are trained to handle risky situations. The all people are potential criminals arguement is bullshit when we live in a country where all people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Look, If I have done nothing wrong, I cooperate plain and simple. Let them do their jobs and we all go home to our families at the end of the day. This mentality that Officers or Deputies are wrong for doing their jobs has to stop.
It's not bullshit. All people ARE potential criminals--it's just common sense, and it's got nothing to do with innocent-until-proven-guilty. The potential still there regardless of how we go about policing.
What I expect to happen as the trial goes along is that the DA will lower the charges to Manslaughter and that Mehserle will likely plead guilty to this lower charge.
Thats because getting out your weapon, aiming your weapon, and firing your weapon are separate actions. He unholstered his weapon, when he actually wanted to get out his taser, he clearly aimed his weapon at Oscar, but he did it because in his defense, he thought he got out his taser. Don't just go by what the video shows and automatically think "Oh, well hes GUILTY!" because you weren't there. And there is probably a lot more that happened than what these videos show.
If I intend to kill someone but inform others that I'm simply meeting him for drinks and then SHOOT him later, according to you I did not commit murder,
Also, unless the taser he had was EXACTLY the same weight as his gun... had EXACTLY the same safety mechanism as his gun... and was holstered EXACTLY like his gun... how then do we assume he did not intend to reach for his GUN?
Anyway, I wouldn't use the "He looked stunned so it couldn't have been murder" defense in court.
Again, I can only look at the facts found in the official statement by the 2nd cop.
From this I can see the mindset of both cops just before Grant was shot dead.
Both cops were talking about the use of the TASER on Grant.
Both cops agreed that they would use the TASER, at this point the one cop drew his gun and shot Grant in the back.
Based on this chain of events it seems clear to me that Grant was shot by accident by a young cop who didn't stop to look at what the heck he held in his hands.
granted, all things being equal, he could have drawn his weapon intentionally and fired unintentionally. however, that defense falls to pieces given that he never had a reason to draw the weapon in the first place. given that all these steps were taken in quick succession -- preparing to fire, and then firing -- it is again disingenuous to claim that he may have fired accidentally.
it was clearly a deliberate, connected succession of actions.
You're wrong. The fact that he shouldn't have drawn the gun has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not he intentionally pulled the trigger. The actions are "connected," yes, but still separate in terms of one's deliberateness not indicating the deliberateness of the next.
The fact that Mehserle wasn't warranted to draw the weapon in the first place does indeed qualify a criminal charge--just not murder. The appropriate charge is manslaughter.
i disagree. one has a direct bearing on the other. if he had not fired, then the fact that he drew his weapon without cause would not matter -- cops do this all the time. but that isn't the case.
as it is, he drew his weapon without cause, and then fired, again without cause. and you want to claim there is no correlation between these two things. mehserle's attorney wants to claim this, too; and the both of you, along with the rest of the apologists, have got quite an uphill battle ahead.
In order to prove murder, you have to demonstrate intent to kill. That's it. Even if Mehserle did intentionally pull the trigger, that alone doesn't prove intent to kill, and he likely didn't even pull the trigger intentionally anyway. Cops often draw their guns, warranted or not, simply as a precaution, and that seems to be what Mehserle did here.
At the end of the day, you have to prove not just that Mehserle intentionally shot Grant, but did so with intent to KILL. You can't.
and now you've exposed your "argument" as the blatant and nonsensical shilling for law enforcement that it is. you could have done that three posts ago and saved me some time. i suppose i might have taken a hint from your username as well.
I'm not in law enforcement . . . yet. (I'm preparing for a career as a cop, yes, but I have other things going on, which may persuade me to change my mind later on.)
No offense, but you're the one being nonsensical here. You fail to see the lack of logic in your own analysis. I'm just trying to make you see where you are wrong.
claims that the officer accidentally shot grant are utterly disingenuous.
you can't 'ACCIDENTALLY' unbutton your holster, remove your gun, release the safety, aim it at someone, and pull the trigger.
this is a multi-step process requiring conscious action by the officer at each step. dropping your soda is an accident. a trained police officer shooting someone is not. PERIOD. please stop supporting the cop's story by perpetuating this bullshit.
What you have to remember is "unbuttoning the holster," removing the gun, releasing the safety, aiming the gun, and pulling the trigger are still all SEPARATE ACTIONS. Logic and common sense should tell you that just because you intentionally draw your gun, doesn't mean you intentionally FIRED it.
Personally, I don't buy the Taser story, but it's possible. I think, more likely, Mehserle simply didn't mean for the gun to go off when it did.
4. Aimed the gun at Grants back (while another officer kneels over his neck)
5. Pulled the trigger.
Judging from his "Oops, I thought it was my taser" look on his face, I am not convinced of his innocence. You seem to be bending over way backwards to support your argument. You seem to be suggesting that Mehserle went through all 5 steps with no intent to shoot Grant. Hard to believe, sir
That's also what I gathered from the statements (via the Bay Area press) of Tony Pirone and Michael Rains (Mehserle's attorney).
But according to the judge at the time--I believe the same one who imposed the gag order--the Taser argument contradicted Mehserle's earlier statements, whatever they were. That's why I think the whole Taser argument may just be Rains' method of defending Mehserle, the feeling being that it's the surest way to get him off the murder charge.
Well it is the duty of the cop's lawyer to try any defense that he thinks might work.
The TASER defense seems to me to be the best as it fits with the videos and in their reaction to the shooting.
This all comes down to what the other cop says when he gets on the stand.
If the other cop says that both he and Mehserle had agreed to use the TASER then no matter whatever happed later and why the only way to view this shooting is it was Manshaughter, not Murder.
When we first heard that an unarmed kid was shot as he lay on the floor we all thought the same thing.
"There must be a reason, a mistake , some cause for this death"
But as more video was shown of the shooting from different points of view it became very clear that there just was no reason, no way to understand why the cop pulled his gun and shot?
Even the other cops there at the time are stunned that someone would shoot a kid like that.
Can't afford to give the officer the benifit of the doubt, it will just encourage more "accidents" like this one. And yes, this incident has encouraged me to figure out this digital technology and start being on the alert for this type of injustice. It would seem that the bomb is not the only technology that will be the undoing of the staus quo. "1984" goes BOTH ways!
I guess being opened would make these posts a little dull. Maybe a little more intelligent and informative too. The kid WAS struggling once they tried to detain him; black cops stereo type too; the video sucks, and you cannot see if the kid has a gernade in his hand or a snickers bar; and you don't know if it was an accident or he is just so stupid that he decided to destroy his own life by shooting an innocent man in front of hundreds of witness.
Obama fronted deregulated energy until Debate 3, 10/15/2008. He said they were 'robbing us of our wealth,' but he let McCain and Joe W. claim offices and measures! A $100K toolbag floated, Granny Maddie died and said B.O. is Kenyan, and after the election, Blago complained and got chased. Mumbai rocked, Palis rocketed, COPS STARTED SHOOTING YOUNG BLACK MEN, 22 years old, worse than the usual, seasonal abuse. Nixon7 robots! Welcome to earth, punks! Gaza and Oaktown BURNED, O'geeks and trick junk!
The youth co-operated when he saw the police is wats really key. Not his past record with the police. He actually behaved himself when they came at him. Bbut hey wat am I saying it for u already know the young man never deserved it.
He didnt deserve it and dont make me out to be someone who thinks its good a black man died.
All i am trying to do is to find a reason why this police officer shot him, after watching a few different vidoes i have decided that he was not cooperating.
there was a struggle, the officer drew his weapon to persuade him to put his hands behind his back, the safety catch was not on as he believed and the gun was fired.
You're COMPLETELY ignorant! If you think of yourself as being so great...take another look in the mirror...people like you are what make this WORLD a ROTTEN one...take your hatered and do this world and YOURSELF a favor...you know exactly WHAT I mean - ya racist !!!!!
we should take everything these pigs hold dear in life and destroy it go after their families, property, pets, ect. there simply is no other more effective method than violence, this happens every day for years only technology has made incidents like this more prevelent
im white! im sick of seeing lives destroyed these pigs make the conscious decision to destroy people on a daily basis and profit from it, then have the audacity to say that their helping people, the pigs have been increasingly getting more voilent in this country, their modern day thugs that hide behind their badge and have guns and judges and jails at their disposal this shit wont stop unless we start doin drastic things, yes like kill the people that try and kill us
For all those who call for the death penalty for the cop, I ask do you support the death penalty in ALL cases!?
What happen was wrong! The cop IS negligent!
For good reason and person experiences, I do not like cops.
It would be easy for me to go along with the lynch mob but are members of this mob the same people who believe the death penalty is wrong and would hold an midnight candle light vigil for truly cold blood premeditated murders?
death penatly for all is my view, this dude should be no exception. Should be worst when ur an officer in my opinion. Like Gods judgement on an athias and a person was raised in church but neglected God. Who'll God judge harsher same concept.
what state was that? do they have the death penelty?
can you be sure beyond any doubt that he intended to murder him.
if not then it wasnt murder, it was manslaughter. you want to be judge jury and executioner, atleast let the man have a trial and let the facts come out before you decide he should die.
You have it all wrong, I didn't accuse u of being glad a black kid died. I know ur not hence why i said, " Why am I telling you this you already know anyways". So I understand you eh bro. Now as for the officer, The boy was handled on the floor and ceased struggled. The officer then pulled out the gun out the holster. Not necessary to shoot a yout whose already immobile. He claimed he ment to take out his tazer but once again for what. When he shot him the officer then tried to cover it up.
It would have been okay if the man admitted to what happen and served some time. But him and his fellow officers tried to grab the phone from one witness who filmed it. Then they made a fake report of what happened. Covering up a murder. Thats where its wrong....sending him home with pay. Disgusting. Trial hell yeah but the proofs there, send him away or death penalty. Oscar co-operated with the officials, its when they handled him he struggled which is natural, then he stop.
hmmm ok i didnt know most of what you just said, and if it is true then i agree with you something major should be done.
there is no doubt that the officer deserves alot of jail time whether it be for murder or just being an idiot, there can be no question that he was wrong, i was only trying to suggest that it may not have been deliberate.
You forgot to mention that he pulled his gun, then chambered a round, then shot. What AMAZES me are all the assh---s here on youtube, who are trying to legitimize the cop's actions. The guy was handcuffed, he offered no resistance. There is no argument.
oscar grant was a killer and he had another baby out side of his marriage
tjac59 3 weeks ago
Pretty soon a congressmen will soon pass a bill to outlaw it!
Sileni 7 months ago
LQQK! People have to take responsibilty for their own actions. OSCAR GRANT was fighting on the bart. If he was such a good dad, he should have been at home with his wife and kid. The real fact is he and his home boys where trying to rob someone and it back fired on them. Oscar went out with a bang. That nigga is (WAS)a thug. and now the family is trying to get 25mill, NOT going to happen. Hes only worth the cost of a cremation
tjac59 1 year ago
@tjac59 he shot him in the back like a coward... thats all you need to know... i am white.. jus thought u all should know lol fuck the p.o.s cop... fuckin coward
yertjarek 8 months ago
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shieldsff 1 year ago
OSCAR GRANT WAS NOT HANDCUFFED, AND THAT IS A FACT!!! Had he allowed himself to be handcuffed, as his friends did, he would have lived to see another day. But he chose to assault officers and resist arrest, as he had done many times before. Check his record. Does that mean he deserved it? ABSOLUTELY NOT! But quit spreading your lies, people.
ssn708 1 year ago
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@zennie62 Chalk this up as a lesson for inncer-city minorities that never fight anyobdy one on one but only with 20 of their friends: When a cop is trying to arrest you, DON'T FUCKING RESIST!!! How hard of a concept is that to understand?
FatGuyInLitlCoat 1 year ago
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@zennir62 Chalk this up as a lesson for inncer-city minorities that never fight anyobdy one on one but only with 20 of their friends: When a cop is trying to arrest you, DON'T FUCKING RESIST!!! How hard of a concept is that to understand?
FatGuyInLitlCoat 1 year ago
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@zennie62 Chalk this up as a lesson for inncer-city minorities that never fight anyobdy one on one but only with 20 of their friends: When a cop is trying to arrest you, DON'T FUCKING RESIST!!! How hard of a concept is that to understand?
FatGuyInLitlCoat 1 year ago
Well, how about this. Police officers shoul not get involve with any crimes in the ghettos. Then blacks will kill each other off.
lakechaney 1 year ago
I agree with this poster that Mehserle reacted poorly to a stresful situation. But the officer did not react to his color, he reacted to the fact that he was pulled off a train for fighting, he attempted to assault officers, he resisted arrest. Halfway through this video the poster changes his mind because Mehserle actually pulled out his gun? Um, Grant was shot, of COURSE he pulled his gun. But he did intend to pull his taser and panicked, this is obvious.
ssn708 1 year ago
I mostly agree with you zennie, however I'm not convinced that it was "racially charged." I've seen multiple stories in the news in the last couple of years about police officers tazering people in wheelchairs, tazerings kids, and have seen other brutal beatings committed by police on a restrained person.
If police brutality wasn't so prevalent, I would understand your view on that part of it more. They're VIOLENT PEOPLE! A few are probably racist but ALL of them are violent!
andrewh817 1 year ago
#1 The kid that was shot and killed was no benefit to society.
#2 If the Cop purposely shot him....then he should be put to death.
#3 People have to accept whatever the jury's decision is plain and simple.
#4 If Blacks want to riot about this...then they are just perpetuating that blacks are uncivilized.
#5 Crime does not pay. If you want to be a "gangsta" then expect a short life span. Enjoy it while you can.
RapIsDeadly 1 year ago
@RapIsDeadly Oh shut up! No one cares for your words
PikachuChikachu 1 year ago
@RapIsDeadly From what I know about you (this one comment) you are no benefit to society either. So we should shoot you...
EPR89 1 year ago
@RapIsDeadly hear hear, well stated.
geewhiz76 1 year ago
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I mexican we are just doing the jobs that you dont want to do you all have degrees anyhow how can we take your job? i not american citizen but i have 7 hijos stupido and when they grow up they will send money back to mexico just like me why should i pay taxes if i worry about being deproted every day our birthrates our higher tan urz. ViVA La RaZA you white people will be extinct soonyou have no culture OH BTW I ON WELFARE 2 REPERATIONS FROM THE LAND YOU STOLE ND KILL. DAME MASdinero PENDEJAS
bipolargirl12345 1 year ago
loved the violent drunk gets choked out by bouncer vid
...youtube classic.
slikkwon 1 year ago
This guy needs go patrol the streets in Oakland on Fri or Sat night in an effort to keep the streets safe before he can really judge the Bart Officer's tragic mistake. Otherwise, sit back and enjoy the fact that you don't have too.
THETRUTHNINJA 1 year ago
shut up u big ass fish!
cantbeatjoey 1 year ago
Why on earth would u taser a guy on his laying bell? Any rookie could tell u to hand cuff the guy not taser him.
puffnbrew2 1 year ago
Why would u taser a guy laying on his belly? U handcuff them, any two bit rookie knows that.
puffnbrew2 1 year ago
Why don't you get just as mad when our children(black) kill each other EVERY FUCKING DAY... But people get mad when the police shoots one of us. Now in chicago, everyday at least 20 children get shot or die.
monabang 1 year ago
Oakland is a FUCKING SHITHOLE. About 78% of all black males in Oakland are career criminals, its a FACT look it up. In places where crime is so high police are on edge and they treat everyone like a criminal because most people in Oakland have a lengthy record.
Straighten up that disgusting crime infested smelly fuckhole you call a city and MAYBE this won't happen.
Letsmakeasamich 1 year ago
@Letsmakeasamich Grant served two state prison terms for various felonies including a conviction for drug dealing.[32] In 2007 he was sentenced to 16 months at Alameda County Jail in Dublin for fleeing "from a traffic stop while armed with a loaded pistol".[9] During that incident, near his Hayward home, San Leandro police shot him with a Taser to subdue him after he threw the pistol into the air and ran.[9] The arresting officers testified that even after being Tased, Grant "continued to re
zoso1234 1 year ago
@zoso1234
1) The officers had no idea what the man's past record was at the time of the shooting. Nor does it matter.
2) Regardless of his record, he was cooperating with the officers when he was shot.
3) He was handcuffed and face down when he was shot.
4) When he was shot, he posed no threat to the officers.
As a former law enforcement officer, I know you don't draw your weapon unless you intend to use it. The officer was wrong! Don't compound the problem through ridiculous rationalization.
greasedog 1 year ago 4
@greasedog Anyone with any real law enforcement background would not make such irresponsible statements. The only ridiculous rationalization is trying to excuse Grants behavior up until the shooting, stating he was cuffed when he was not, and stating he posed no threat when he did. A further threat were the several people who encroached on (and attacked) officers. Mehserle intended to tase Grant, because he had to get him under control. He panicked, and made a criminally negligent mistake.
ssn708 1 year ago
@greasedog Oscar Grant was resisting after assaulting 2 cops. That is a fact. Oscar Grant was NOT handcuffed. That is a fact. His past record does matter because it is a clear indication that he has an extensive history of resisting arrest and assaulting officers, that is why his record was admitted into evidence at the trial. He did pose a threat because he would not give up his hands to be cuffed. Literally nothing you said is true in the least.
ssn708 1 year ago
@greasedog Somehow your lies remain at the top of the ratings, so I have to repeat:
1) It does matter what his record was, because he has a very extensive history of resisting arrest, as he did here.
2) He absolutely was not cooperating. He had assaulted 2 officers, and was clearly refusing to give his hands. They did not wrestle with him for 30 secs because it was fun.
3) No, he was absolutely NOT handcuffed, that is a lie.
4) Wrong, he had not been searched.
Obviously, you were never LEO
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@zoso1234
1) The officers had no idea what the man's past record was at the time of the shooting. Nor does it matter.
2) Regardless of his record, he was cooperating with the officers when he was shot.
3) He was handcuffed and face down when he was shot.
4) When he was shot, he posed no threat to the officers.
As a former law enforcement officer, I know you don't draw your weapon unless you intend to use it. The officer was wrong! Don't compound the problem through ridiculous rationalization.
greasedog 1 year ago
@zoso1234
1) The officers had no idea what the man's past record was at the time of the shooting. Nor does it matter.
2) Regardless of his record, he was cooperating with the officers when he was shot.
3) He was handcuffed and face down when he was shot.
4) When he was shot, he posed no threat to the officers.
As a former law enforcement officer, I know you don't draw your weapon unless you intend to use it. The officer was wrong! Don't compound the problem through ridiculous rationalization.
greasedog 1 year ago
@greasedog
No offense, buddy, but you don't have your facts straight.
First, you don't really know whether he was cooperating with the officers or not. And he was NOT handcuffed--not fully, anyway--at the time of the shooting. (I honestly don't know why people keep insisting otherwise.) Also, you can still pose a threat to others when you are face down, even when restrained to a high degree.
Lastly, you don't have to fire a gun in order to "use" it. So that argument is null, too.
DetectiveCrockett77 1 year ago 2
@Letsmakeasamich Watch Brooklyn's Finest and see what cops have to deal with as well....fucking noogs create their own problems then cry "racism" when the shit hits the fan; could you imagine going to a job where every day is a hostile environment and black people calling you 'pig' just because your trying to do a thankless job and put food on the table for your family. Yes this cop fucked up, but not every 'cracker' cop is a Nazi Gestapo either!
zoso1234 1 year ago
Take up the cause of Joe Stack in Texas the other day.If need be,that is what has to be done,period!
erikoishii 1 year ago
I'm moving to a country where the police are your good friends and that country is Accra Ghana. I'm moving over there May 2012!!! hello!!! Accra!!! Ghana!!!
Peace!!! to!!! all!!! my!!! Ghana!!! brothers!!! and!!! sisters!!! I!!! love!!! you!!!
keithdcobbin1 1 year ago
I want to be hip hop stylish.
dabebop 2 years ago
and the police everywhere is asking why we don't love 'em ... c'mon they're killing more people than Al Qaeda.
Gr33nd0g 2 years ago
it seriously was a reaction by the bart police. I am sure they could have done something different instead of overreacting in the way that could have threatened another individual's life. I am sure the man couldn't have been posed a threat due to the fact that he was not seen carrying a gun.
waddleduckie1 2 years ago
No one but the officers conscience can say whether it was a mistake or not. Because he seems to fumble with his holster he may have meant to grab his tazer, WHICH, if you would actually educate yourself in police jurisdiction and have ever been in an adrenaline filled situation(they may have felt they were armed and dangerous). Not all police are crooked, you'll see one day if these "pigs" save your life. To the claim that police think "black men should be in jail"...don't forget he started it.
ABBvodka69 2 years ago
I'm in Police Foundations... I know for a fact police know the differnce between a tazer and a gun.... do you know the weight difference!!! a guns way heavier!!! your service weapon in your holster has three clips to remove before taking it from your holster. There would be no reasonable grounds even for use of force with a tazer. using an asp or baton would of been enough to control him... ABBvodka69 U should do some research yourself. Maybe on Police sub-culture u don't kno wat we're taught!
mcleb007 2 years ago
That's actually a popular misconception. Your average service pistol really isn't that much heavier than an X26 Taser.
DetectiveCrockett77 2 years ago
@DetectiveCrockett77 fuck tasers
grabba73 1 year ago
I disagree with your response that it happened because officers think African Americans belong in jail. To me this sad case seems to have been an accident. While trying to pin Oscars arms behind his back he did look to be resisting, regardless if their was an officer on his back. The way the officer stood up and backed a half step back drew his weapon and fired to me looked exactly how an officer would respond with a TAZER. I think this officer made a very FATAL error and should be punished.
whoraps 2 years ago
Even a TAZER would not be the right thing to do. The Cop did not gets his gun out easily, which seems to me: he knew what he was pulling out. But even the Tazer would not be necesary: handcuffed lying on the floor, no violent behaviour.
MrrMinit 2 years ago
if the man was muslim allah will protect him against the bullet !! ALLAH ALLAH ALLAH !!
mouloudidou 2 years ago
If a white cop can't shoot an unarmed black person how are we ever going to get enough dumb uneducated rednecks to join the force?
paulcarb 2 years ago
in praying ALLAH !! the real salvior !!
mouloudidou 2 years ago
shut da fucc up u ugly motha fucca
saitunoa 2 years ago
I do greatly respect your opinion on the matter. Being a hopeful state trooper myself and after seeing this video I have spoken to several offciers about it and only one real explaination came out that seemed plausible to use in the defence of the officer. That is, was he trained to carry a pistol-grip tazer? I spoke to an officer who almost did the same thing when trying to reach for his tazer. THAT I think could be the only possible explaination.
DeadlySyn08 2 years ago
There is no fucking excuse for this scumbag cop.
There are at least 2 more cops holding him down-not even reason for a tasing PERIOD.
ed11561 2 years ago
I see we still have a problem with racism in this country. All the negative comments about this shooting. If you was to take black and white away, you still will be left with a man dead and a cop shooting a unarmed man. Not to forgot, this man was also restrained! If this was your family member, what would u do? Whether black or white!! Get a life, and you are the loser......
999peaches 2 years ago
How do you know it wasn't an accident? You think he was just pretending to be surprised after he shot the guy? So he said to himself "I'm going to shoot this guy in the back in front of 50 witnesses, then I'm going to pretend to act surprised so I can claim it was an accident". Yeah, it was premeditated.
aquaphone 2 years ago
Are you serious?? go back to fucking sleep and save your stupid comments. Wrong is wrong
999peaches 2 years ago
dude, an accident? braindammaged peaple like u self should be at a hospitol.. its just for u to whatch the fucking video and u´ll see that the idiot cop shooting was fucking dum.
oDogge89o 2 years ago
of course you have something to say about this video ...you're black!!
yeah make sure they don't occur again...stop breaking the law! stop being a thug! live an honest hard working life!
IcKeYsGhOsT 2 years ago
Sorry , I'm sick of all the homicides . I dont really care for Grant.
bombhillsnotme2 2 years ago
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Fuck all niggers!
thebing69 2 years ago
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Blacks will always be crushed by the whites like ants. This is the reality, and except it.
fachy1981 2 years ago
wow u dumb racist fuck the only reason u crush blacks cuz its 3 to 1 u pussies but even
out the numbers and they will fucking kill your ass and im white dumb bitch
quazarific 2 years ago
Marther Luther King did fought for the blacks, but his fight was incomplete. He did 50% of the job, but he left the other 50%. That other 50% was that he never demanded nor fought for a seperate homeland for the blacks. The racial tension shows that all. He turned out to be a loser, and all his efforts are gone waste.
fachy1981 2 years ago
You're a fucking idiot. YOU should go back to the "homeland". The rest of the blacks can stay here in America WHERE THEY BELONG.
aquaphone 2 years ago
this is actually happening all across the police states of usa and canada corp. the only state this is not happening, is the state of denial. guns are being put on all people regardless of color, gender. Check out whats happening on the rez and you may realize this is happening everywhere.
monigarr 2 years ago
your not supose to pull out ur gun n take it off safety only if they have a gun
DJSHIVERILL 2 years ago
I'm not defending the shooting, but from reports and the videos I've seen it was a pretty intense situation. There were fights breaking out and the police were surrounded by a pretty rowdy crowd. In a heated situation like that don't you think there is a possibility he meant to taser Grant instead of fire on him?
Ian7570 2 years ago 2
Or he just flat-out accidentally pulled the trigger.
DetectiveCrockett77 2 years ago
More likely the finger slipped.
watchfulstorm 2 years ago
@Ian7570
And tasering the guy would have clamed the crowd? It would have made the whole situation worse
lolcleary 1 year ago
@Ian7570 That makes no sense whatsoever! I'm being surrounded by a hostile crowd, so I pull my gun and shoot the one I have face down in handcuffs? Come on man, you're better than that.
marioTmaggot 1 year ago
@marioTmaggot He wasn't cuffed at the time of the shooting.
ssn708 1 year ago
u stupid moutha fuckers they fuckin shot him u dum ass fagget ass white ppl they shouldve never fuckin used the gun
japnrange 2 years ago
Wow. I bet you are going to have a successful career in your future. Selling crack.
aquaphone 2 years ago
police american suppos be killed all, not even 1 alive, we agree all europa about that, in italia if a police it will do sometink like this, is 2 tinks, or he will die, or will die. stupids american crazy all!!!
bann1f3ro 2 years ago
Go fuck your mother...with a goats dick...again
bobofucknuckle 2 years ago
die die die die die
bann1f3ro 2 years ago
fuck you
fuckn worth less bastard
lucastarango 2 years ago
get over it, life's not fair
eraseyouu 2 years ago
Carry more cameras so we can see more gang members get shot lol.
cxzy11 2 years ago
The kid had his hands fastened and was on the ground. why would officer shoot him???? There are tapes proving that that is what happened. So yeah I say fuck the police for that one. Protect and serve my ass.
sophia11roma 2 years ago
The videos prove that it was an accident. Keep on hating law and order and see where it gets you.
Gina670 2 years ago
wasn't handcuffed... was resisting.
jdorr64 2 years ago
Anybody who complains about the police is just a lying asshole because if you REALLY thought that the police were corrupt YOU could resolve the situation by JOINING the police force and working as a force for good on the INSIDE. But no, you don't do that. You just bitch and whine and cry like Nancy Kerrigan. Boo hoo for Grant! Poor criminal got what he deserved! Boo hoo! All he did was assault a few people and cause a entire train to stop. Was that wrong? Oh poor, poor Grant. rofl
Gina670 2 years ago 2
Once they are in the freemasons, the cops find themselves in slowly increasing situations, which require mutual trust, and co-operation betweeen them and other officer masons.
Before they know it, theyre in so deep, they CANT become good again.
In this way, their initial freemaosns lucifer worshipping vows and oaths, become realised, as reality.
And they KNOWthey are screwed, but their is no way out, so they just play along, and getting more an dmore like gangstaers.
mikeybrumbrum 2 years ago
your so fuckn missed up
what happend if your fuckn mom or dad got shot like that? yeah think before you type
lucastarango 2 years ago
...and whats up with the three dudes walking up on the police while they are conducting an investigation? Way to tense up the situation! Ridiculous.
jdorr64 2 years ago 6
@jdorr64 Not to mention they repeatedly refused commands to back off, and 3 of them actually assaulted officers! Yeah, good going folks.
ssn708 1 year ago
I have to ask myself, "Why would a cop shoot anyone in the back, on purpose in front of all of these people?" Doesn't make any sense. Police sometimes get zero respect from people. These guys were being detained for a reason. Lets not forget that. I'm not justifying this kids death whatsoever, but was it on purpose... I dont think so, but this is what are judicial system is there for.
jdorr64 2 years ago
sign
Wiggling 2 years ago
Yawn....another story where an event happens and this guy makes it a black white issue. Yawn....
NeverTapOutDotCom 2 years ago
The only reason I can think that MIGHT have given him a shocked look after he pulled the trigger is that he might have pulled the gun 2 shoot him thinking it was his taser. But what kind of dumb fuck bastard R U that confuses his gun & his taser? Obviously your gun stays on your right hip because its your primary weapon. The taser usually goes on your front left side so U can reach it easily if of course U R right handed. The suspect was subdued. He took a life & threw his career away...
RalphyDee 2 years ago
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White people set Black people up to fail. I am white but I admit my racial responsibility and guilt in this. We owe reparations at $20,000 per white person to every black person. Thats why I converted to Islam and only date Black men because I want a mixed baby that won't be racist and won't know what white privilege is.
BerkeleyRightsNOW 2 years ago
as i read the comments . i see that i could comment no this all day . its sad that would not change on thing..but i will say this ..if that was someone else that shot that man the cops would have shot or at least tackeld and arest him but that is not what happend . and then just try to cover it up. that alone is a crime . os every cop THERE should have been arested . and when did cops stop being people?because one comment says all people potential criminals .
blackbirdmarlin 2 years ago
I heard through the grapevine that Oscar stuck his hands in his pockets when Police attempted to cuff him. When you are ordered to keep your hands out of your pockets...one should do it. Police use of force policies have alot of what if situations....I'm not saying that the result was right. Oscar should have gone to jail for disturbing the peace and resisting arrest and should have gone to court moved on with his life.
Spadadiforza 2 years ago
you look like a black ninja turtle...........
thefuckinking 2 years ago
Do Americas police have a quota of how many unarmed black men they must kill a year
PriaNorm 2 years ago
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YOU KNOW WHAT FUCK THE 4 POLICE THEY SHOULD HAVE TRAINED BETTER IN NOT BEING SHOT.. THEY KILLED Oscar Grant IN OAKLAND NO PROBLEM ..FUCK POLICE FUCK RACISM
sportyo414 2 years ago
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I like how they don't mention that the filthy black ape's just got done attacking a white man on the train, thats why the pigs were there in the first place..
WHO CARES THAT SOME DIRTY STINKING APE GOT SHOT, ONE LESS WELLFARE CHECK TO SEND OUT.
CainKiller2009 2 years ago
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4 police officers murdered in one day?
I'm moving to Oakland!
I actually get happy when I hear about a Police officer being murdered.
The police in this shit hole of a country have been behaving like fucking Nazis for the past decade.
This is as good as it gets!
I hope this karma comes to my neighborhood. There's a bunch of cops who need to be shot all over this country.
Good for him!
Fuck the police!
TheOldNihilist 2 years ago
i already live there,yea you'd like it,where you live?
yehyehsoilwell 2 years ago
blacks are thugs..he deserves it.
iceman5815 2 years ago
You said that Oscar Grant was misidentified as being a thug for dressing hip hop: Grant was in his early 20's and already had 12 arrests on his rap sheet. Those arrests werent for dressing hip hop in public. With that said, the cop was obviously a moron and Grants family should sue and collect on this.
boogiechillen123 2 years ago
Why should Grants family recieve any money for raising someone who was arrested 12 times. Sueing the Dept will just take away more money from the city. Its quite obvious that Oakland needs that money for programs to help criminals with rehabilitation.
sjpaperboy 2 years ago
FUCKTHAPOLICE! It was deliberate and after the shot, the sick pig acted like like he just put out a cigarette, like a nazi who just smoked another death camp prisoner.
imnazhole 2 years ago 2
Your STUPID....."FUCKTHAPOLICE"? Your just as bad as the racist cop that shot Oscar. That was one cop you idiot. I once got jumped by 4 Mexicans, but I dont run around with a chip on my shoulder sayin "FUCKMEXICANS".
And by the way, Nazis' killed Jews because of there religion not because of the color of their skin.
sjpaperboy 2 years ago
Fucking false police reports. You're right. Back in the day, they would have reported that a black man was misbehaving, so he was shot. :S
creepysonofabitch 2 years ago
The new angle video supports the defense accidental explanation and the hostile and unruly crowd contributed
budwhite451 2 years ago
The police officer after said "What have I done?" thinking maybe he was getting a Tazer and not a gun, but still, it is killing and is wrong. The man who died said "Please don't kill me, I have kids" to the officer who killed him before he died.
CFgirl 2 years ago
You know, homicide detectives aren't in squad cars on the highway hiding in the bushes trying to give people speeding tickets. Do all these lesser law enforcement officers really need guns? Why don't they wear full-on riot gear all the time? If they're not going to wear all that why can't they leave the guns behind as well?
sleepyriggles 2 years ago
You can't be serious.
DetectiveCrockett77 2 years ago
Sure am. I don't think a cop uses a gun to write out my parking tickets. I don't understand the good side of a guy with a gun walking around public schools... Pointless to argue with bull-headed people though so piss off ^.~
sleepyriggles 2 years ago
But a cop does use a gun to stop someone from robbing a bank, or stealing a car, or sticking up a convenience store, or--drum roll--preventing a shooting in a PUBLIC SCHOOL.
They need to be prepared for these situations and more. A cop without a gun is virtually worthless.
DetectiveCrockett77 2 years ago
I'm not saying disarm cops completely. I'm saying situations that don't require the use of deadly force cops do not need the option to have deadly force. If you don't know what the difference is then I pray to god that you're not a cop. --drum roll-- using a gun to stop a shooting is still a shooting you dipshit :P
sleepyriggles 2 years ago
"Using a gun to stop a shooting is still a shooting you dipshit." Wow. You don't say. (Where the hell do you people come from?)
Chief, the problem with your argument is that a cop is not going to know what situation requires deadly force until it actually happens. You keep mentioning things like parking tickets and patrolling schools. Well, people get confrontational in those situations at times--the cops in question have to be prepared.
DetectiveCrockett77 2 years ago
The decision to apply deadly force has to be made in a split second. We all now know the sad alternative to not knowing the situation as it unfolds. Wake up people, even if you don't agree, you can argue your case in court.
Spadadiforza 2 years ago
"even if you don't agree, you can argue your case in court" How can Oscar go to court when he's dead....
sleepyriggles 2 years ago
Sleepy,
I think you misinterpreted Spadadiforza's comment. I think he was speaking of anyone in Oscar's situation as they are being detained: Don't resist, and cooperate fully, BECAUSE you can argue your case in court. In other words, there's simply no need to carry on as you are being detained.
DetectiveCrockett77 2 years ago
Again you're taking the responsiblity away from the cops and putting it on the public. People need to lay limp like a rag doll while the police do their thing because....police cannot control their urges to shoot you? Sorry man, still not buying. What is so wrong about stowing the guns in the squad until they are needed? We need solutions not excuses and excuses is all I see coming from cops and those who defend them.
sleepyriggles 2 years ago
What the hell are you talking about? All I did was clarify another poster's comment. I'm not taking any responsibility from the cops at all. Mehserle committed manslaughter, and he deserves to go to prison.
"Stowing the guns" is a kneejerk reaction. If a cop is attacked, or witnesses a robbery, for instance, you're not going to be able to arm them in time if the weapons are stowed. It's just not reasonable.
DetectiveCrockett77 2 years ago
Stowing the guns in the squad? Like as in "squad car"? How are the police in the subway system going to stow their guns somewhere else?
aquaphone 2 years ago
I understand your arguement, Let me reinforce that I believe that Oscar should be alive right now.(Period)
I don't agree with resisting lawful orders from a law enforcement officer. I'm not saying to lay limp, I'm giving those who don't understand The recipe to a win-win situation.
Spadadiforza 2 years ago
i agree,but at the same time i think cops nowadays need people sensitivity training,we as black people are already angry with situations and struggles,some which we have no control over,u'd be surprised at how most white people view us if we don't talk white or proper like them. point is i think police should do more outreach in the black community,not just pop up to throw hand-cuffs on us.I'm tired of police making these lame excuses that blacks don't want them in the community
sylviacalhoun 2 years ago
I am also a minority, there is NO EXCUSE for having the "fuck the Police", mentality. Why do you speak the way you do? It is your choice and is under your control. Why do certain members of your community act the way they do? It is their choice and their behavior is under their control. I am responsible for my actions and blame NO ONE ELSE or racism. So you've been angry and had that mentality for so long...how is it working for you?
Spadadiforza 2 years ago
So you resort to calling people "dipshit" because you disagree with them. But it a good thing you pray to god too. lil ironic, dont ya think.
sjpaperboy 2 years ago
So by your logic, because a cop won't carry a firearm, the situations requiring deadly force will bypass the officer or detective happens elsewhere? Did you eat paint chips as a kid?
Spadadiforza 2 years ago
And by yours you put all risk on the public rather than the officers who are trained to handle risky situations. The all people are potential criminals arguement is bullshit when we live in a country where all people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
sleepyriggles 2 years ago
Look, If I have done nothing wrong, I cooperate plain and simple. Let them do their jobs and we all go home to our families at the end of the day. This mentality that Officers or Deputies are wrong for doing their jobs has to stop.
Spadadiforza 2 years ago
It's not bullshit. All people ARE potential criminals--it's just common sense, and it's got nothing to do with innocent-until-proven-guilty. The potential still there regardless of how we go about policing.
DetectiveCrockett77 2 years ago
If common sense continues to lead to the deaths of unarmed people then maybe its time to do something about it is all I'm saying.
sleepyriggles 2 years ago
Thank God For Technology!!!...
raider8sox 2 years ago
What I expect to happen as the trial goes along is that the DA will lower the charges to Manslaughter and that Mehserle will likely plead guilty to this lower charge.
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
Thats because getting out your weapon, aiming your weapon, and firing your weapon are separate actions. He unholstered his weapon, when he actually wanted to get out his taser, he clearly aimed his weapon at Oscar, but he did it because in his defense, he thought he got out his taser. Don't just go by what the video shows and automatically think "Oh, well hes GUILTY!" because you weren't there. And there is probably a lot more that happened than what these videos show.
Ninjamonkeys18 2 years ago
The vidos dont give us the whole story -
The offical statement by the other cop tells us that both the cop on Grant's neck and the shooter were talking about the use of the TASER.
Both cops agreed to use the TASER on Grant to end the fight they had with him.
Both cops seemed stunned after the shooting by what had just happend.
This means that the cop is NOT GUILTY of murder!
He is still guilty of a lower charge however.
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
If I intend to kill someone but inform others that I'm simply meeting him for drinks and then SHOOT him later, according to you I did not commit murder,
Also, unless the taser he had was EXACTLY the same weight as his gun... had EXACTLY the same safety mechanism as his gun... and was holstered EXACTLY like his gun... how then do we assume he did not intend to reach for his GUN?
Anyway, I wouldn't use the "He looked stunned so it couldn't have been murder" defense in court.
brharte 2 years ago
Again, I can only look at the facts found in the official statement by the 2nd cop.
From this I can see the mindset of both cops just before Grant was shot dead.
Both cops were talking about the use of the TASER on Grant.
Both cops agreed that they would use the TASER, at this point the one cop drew his gun and shot Grant in the back.
Based on this chain of events it seems clear to me that Grant was shot by accident by a young cop who didn't stop to look at what the heck he held in his hands.
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
granted, all things being equal, he could have drawn his weapon intentionally and fired unintentionally. however, that defense falls to pieces given that he never had a reason to draw the weapon in the first place. given that all these steps were taken in quick succession -- preparing to fire, and then firing -- it is again disingenuous to claim that he may have fired accidentally.
it was clearly a deliberate, connected succession of actions.
notmyalt 2 years ago
You're wrong. The fact that he shouldn't have drawn the gun has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not he intentionally pulled the trigger. The actions are "connected," yes, but still separate in terms of one's deliberateness not indicating the deliberateness of the next.
The fact that Mehserle wasn't warranted to draw the weapon in the first place does indeed qualify a criminal charge--just not murder. The appropriate charge is manslaughter.
DetectiveCrockett77 2 years ago
i disagree. one has a direct bearing on the other. if he had not fired, then the fact that he drew his weapon without cause would not matter -- cops do this all the time. but that isn't the case.
as it is, he drew his weapon without cause, and then fired, again without cause. and you want to claim there is no correlation between these two things. mehserle's attorney wants to claim this, too; and the both of you, along with the rest of the apologists, have got quite an uphill battle ahead.
notmyalt 2 years ago
Nope.
In order to prove murder, you have to demonstrate intent to kill. That's it. Even if Mehserle did intentionally pull the trigger, that alone doesn't prove intent to kill, and he likely didn't even pull the trigger intentionally anyway. Cops often draw their guns, warranted or not, simply as a precaution, and that seems to be what Mehserle did here.
At the end of the day, you have to prove not just that Mehserle intentionally shot Grant, but did so with intent to KILL. You can't.
DetectiveCrockett77 2 years ago
and now you've exposed your "argument" as the blatant and nonsensical shilling for law enforcement that it is. you could have done that three posts ago and saved me some time. i suppose i might have taken a hint from your username as well.
notmyalt 2 years ago
I'm not in law enforcement . . . yet. (I'm preparing for a career as a cop, yes, but I have other things going on, which may persuade me to change my mind later on.)
No offense, but you're the one being nonsensical here. You fail to see the lack of logic in your own analysis. I'm just trying to make you see where you are wrong.
DetectiveCrockett77 2 years ago
what i said, sir, is that you are shilling for law enforcement. please, look it up.
notmyalt 2 years ago
I know what you said.
DetectiveCrockett77 2 years ago
claims that the officer accidentally shot grant are utterly disingenuous.
you can't 'ACCIDENTALLY' unbutton your holster, remove your gun, release the safety, aim it at someone, and pull the trigger.
this is a multi-step process requiring conscious action by the officer at each step. dropping your soda is an accident. a trained police officer shooting someone is not. PERIOD. please stop supporting the cop's story by perpetuating this bullshit.
notmyalt 2 years ago
Your reasoning is flawed in one respect.
What you have to remember is "unbuttoning the holster," removing the gun, releasing the safety, aiming the gun, and pulling the trigger are still all SEPARATE ACTIONS. Logic and common sense should tell you that just because you intentionally draw your gun, doesn't mean you intentionally FIRED it.
Personally, I don't buy the Taser story, but it's possible. I think, more likely, Mehserle simply didn't mean for the gun to go off when it did.
DetectiveCrockett77 2 years ago
So in your opinion, Mehserle
1. Unbuttoned his holster.
2. Removed his gun
3. Released the safety
4. Aimed the gun at Grants back (while another officer kneels over his neck)
5. Pulled the trigger.
Judging from his "Oops, I thought it was my taser" look on his face, I am not convinced of his innocence. You seem to be bending over way backwards to support your argument. You seem to be suggesting that Mehserle went through all 5 steps with no intent to shoot Grant. Hard to believe, sir
brharte 2 years ago
First of all, I never claimed, and do not feel, that Mehserle is innocent. I just don't think the crime is murder--it's manslaughter. Huge difference.
In my opinion, Mehserle:
1. Unbuttoned his holster.
2. Removed his gun.
3. Released the safety.
4. May or may not have intentionally aimed the gun at Grant's back.
5. Possibly, but most likely did not, pull the trigger intentionally.
There are far too many reasonable doubts here to prove murder.
DetectiveCrockett77 2 years ago
dc77,
I tend to believe that Mehserle was told by the other cop , (or agreed with that other cop) , to pull out his TASER and use it on Grant.
From the reaction after the shooting it seems clear to me that Mehserle had no clue he had pulled and used the wrong weapon until the deed was done.
It seems very clear from the reaction of the other cops that they had no hint that Grant was about to be shot with a real gun.
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
That's also what I gathered from the statements (via the Bay Area press) of Tony Pirone and Michael Rains (Mehserle's attorney).
But according to the judge at the time--I believe the same one who imposed the gag order--the Taser argument contradicted Mehserle's earlier statements, whatever they were. That's why I think the whole Taser argument may just be Rains' method of defending Mehserle, the feeling being that it's the surest way to get him off the murder charge.
DetectiveCrockett77 2 years ago
Well it is the duty of the cop's lawyer to try any defense that he thinks might work.
The TASER defense seems to me to be the best as it fits with the videos and in their reaction to the shooting.
This all comes down to what the other cop says when he gets on the stand.
If the other cop says that both he and Mehserle had agreed to use the TASER then no matter whatever happed later and why the only way to view this shooting is it was Manshaughter, not Murder.
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
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Ninjamonkeys18 2 years ago
When we first heard that an unarmed kid was shot as he lay on the floor we all thought the same thing.
"There must be a reason, a mistake , some cause for this death"
But as more video was shown of the shooting from different points of view it became very clear that there just was no reason, no way to understand why the cop pulled his gun and shot?
Even the other cops there at the time are stunned that someone would shoot a kid like that.
Is that the end of where this is going?
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
Can't afford to give the officer the benifit of the doubt, it will just encourage more "accidents" like this one. And yes, this incident has encouraged me to figure out this digital technology and start being on the alert for this type of injustice. It would seem that the bomb is not the only technology that will be the undoing of the staus quo. "1984" goes BOTH ways!
DEREKinNYC 2 years ago
I guess being opened would make these posts a little dull. Maybe a little more intelligent and informative too. The kid WAS struggling once they tried to detain him; black cops stereo type too; the video sucks, and you cannot see if the kid has a gernade in his hand or a snickers bar; and you don't know if it was an accident or he is just so stupid that he decided to destroy his own life by shooting an innocent man in front of hundreds of witness.
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bobgnote 3 years ago
LOL fuck you, only white cops that discriminate do you actually think about what you say before you say it?
You are discriminating yourself and being racist by suggesting that only white people have the ability to be racist.
You need to grow up and stop expecting white people to look after you and stop blaming your problems on white people.
and just for the record this kid wasnt a little angel he had a criminal record and did jail time, but that doesnt justify what happened.
steve198520 3 years ago 2
The youth co-operated when he saw the police is wats really key. Not his past record with the police. He actually behaved himself when they came at him. Bbut hey wat am I saying it for u already know the young man never deserved it.
DanielKeithMorrison 3 years ago
He didnt deserve it and dont make me out to be someone who thinks its good a black man died.
All i am trying to do is to find a reason why this police officer shot him, after watching a few different vidoes i have decided that he was not cooperating.
there was a struggle, the officer drew his weapon to persuade him to put his hands behind his back, the safety catch was not on as he believed and the gun was fired.
thats my version of it.
steve198520 3 years ago
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daveygravey123456 3 years ago
You're COMPLETELY ignorant! If you think of yourself as being so great...take another look in the mirror...people like you are what make this WORLD a ROTTEN one...take your hatered and do this world and YOURSELF a favor...you know exactly WHAT I mean - ya racist !!!!!
soonnya 3 years ago
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daveygravey123456 3 years ago
we should take everything these pigs hold dear in life and destroy it go after their families, property, pets, ect. there simply is no other more effective method than violence, this happens every day for years only technology has made incidents like this more prevelent
juslom2002 3 years ago
Yo malcolm calm down there. there is only one result of the action you are talking about.
And that is your death.
steve198520 3 years ago
im white! im sick of seeing lives destroyed these pigs make the conscious decision to destroy people on a daily basis and profit from it, then have the audacity to say that their helping people, the pigs have been increasingly getting more voilent in this country, their modern day thugs that hide behind their badge and have guns and judges and jails at their disposal this shit wont stop unless we start doin drastic things, yes like kill the people that try and kill us
juslom2002 3 years ago
As i said before that way of thinking will only lead to your own death.
steve198520 3 years ago
For all those who call for the death penalty for the cop, I ask do you support the death penalty in ALL cases!?
What happen was wrong! The cop IS negligent!
For good reason and person experiences, I do not like cops.
It would be easy for me to go along with the lynch mob but are members of this mob the same people who believe the death penalty is wrong and would hold an midnight candle light vigil for truly cold blood premeditated murders?
UtubeFreshman 3 years ago
death penatly for all is my view, this dude should be no exception. Should be worst when ur an officer in my opinion. Like Gods judgement on an athias and a person was raised in church but neglected God. Who'll God judge harsher same concept.
DanielKeithMorrison 3 years ago
what state was that? do they have the death penelty?
can you be sure beyond any doubt that he intended to murder him.
if not then it wasnt murder, it was manslaughter. you want to be judge jury and executioner, atleast let the man have a trial and let the facts come out before you decide he should die.
steve198520 3 years ago
You have it all wrong, I didn't accuse u of being glad a black kid died. I know ur not hence why i said, " Why am I telling you this you already know anyways". So I understand you eh bro. Now as for the officer, The boy was handled on the floor and ceased struggled. The officer then pulled out the gun out the holster. Not necessary to shoot a yout whose already immobile. He claimed he ment to take out his tazer but once again for what. When he shot him the officer then tried to cover it up.
DanielKeithMorrison 3 years ago
It would have been okay if the man admitted to what happen and served some time. But him and his fellow officers tried to grab the phone from one witness who filmed it. Then they made a fake report of what happened. Covering up a murder. Thats where its wrong....sending him home with pay. Disgusting. Trial hell yeah but the proofs there, send him away or death penalty. Oscar co-operated with the officials, its when they handled him he struggled which is natural, then he stop.
DanielKeithMorrison 3 years ago
hmmm ok i didnt know most of what you just said, and if it is true then i agree with you something major should be done.
there is no doubt that the officer deserves alot of jail time whether it be for murder or just being an idiot, there can be no question that he was wrong, i was only trying to suggest that it may not have been deliberate.
But after what you said im not so sure.
steve198520 3 years ago
You forgot to mention that he pulled his gun, then chambered a round, then shot. What AMAZES me are all the assh---s here on youtube, who are trying to legitimize the cop's actions. The guy was handcuffed, he offered no resistance. There is no argument.
chickenmcthug 3 years ago
Thank you brother for putting out a very intelligent piece on what really happened.
08maxout 3 years ago 2