Strategic Perspectives 2009 Chuck Missler part 1

[tatsumakisempyukaku]

LOL. I like that, the federal reserve is neither federal nor a reserve

[cwross1976]

the white lab coat and a scientists credentials are the priests robes of the atheist religion.

[cwross1976]

trying to convince an atheist of anything without wearing a white lab coat is like trying to teach a brick wall how to do it's ABCs...

[kaderoder]

Jesus was a professional worker of wood, a carpenter. Do you think he gave away his trade for free?

[IrrepressibleGuile]

ok, I respect chuck missler but I have doubts about him:

(1) he charges money to teach the gospel, Jesus never charges, real gospel preachers and teachers like Gary Price and Zac Poonen dont charge a penny

(2) Mel Gibsons the passion was not based on the gospel accounts of the cruxificion, but based on a catholic nuns dream about the cruxifixion, the bit in the film where the romans whip Jesus on his back AND front is not descriped in the bible

[UltimateWarrior65]

@IrrepressibleGuile Missler is involved in elite groups such as the CNP (a known New World Order group for globalism) the CIA, and is obviously financed by the Israel lobby, AIPAC, the ADL, and B'nai Brith.

He is a very, very smart man, but not a truth teller.

[cwross1976]

@UltimateWarrior65 and i like heavy metal, whats your point? many people did some really bad shit before they saw the light... missler keeping his old connections might just allow him to have some insight into the inner werkings of the enemies plan that few other Believers have... just stay clam and resist the urge to judge the faith and motives of your fellow christians, if you are even a christian... just kidding.

[UltimateWarrior65]

@cwross1976 Please. Chuck Missler is an active agent of the New World Order, primarily in the fields of counter-intelligence and Zionist heresy. Did you know the Jewish Babylonian Talmud specifically commands Jews to mislead gentiles about the correct timing of the Seventy Weeks of Daniel? Is it any coincidence that Missler espouses a pro-Zionist view of Daniel rather than the more established, traditional, and correct view of Daniel?

[Zresponder]

@UltimateWarrior65 How so, please explain yourself so I understand.

[UltimateWarrior65]

@Zresponder How so what, exactly? I've made a lot of claims here.

[bobpai2006]

Saying you don't believe in God, doesn't make you intelligent, it just makes you an atheist.

[DeejaySmitt]

@bobpai2006 or a communist

[DeejaySmitt]

What I dont get is...why not believe in a higher power? You have everything to gain from believing in him, yet you gain nothing from not believing in him.

[bobpai2006]

why do Atheists keep coming to Christian videos? Because God loves them and keep giving them chances to change their minds and believe.

[havoc092]

..no lying there. Disobedience and consulting a spiritist. Perhaps the Bible just failed to note what you needed it to say?

[jrssite]

@havoc092 One more (it is so easy to show you wrong-what fun!) from Judges 21 v. 5 "And the children of Israel said, Who is there among all the tribes of Israel that came not up with the congregation...(For they had made a great oath concerning him that came not up..saying He shall surely be put to death)..... v.8 'and behold, there came none to the camp from Jabesh-Gilead...v.10 and the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men... saying Go and smite them... (and they did, an entire city)

[havoc092]

@jrssite You haven't provided anything. The scriptures I cited you speak directly to the issue of why Saul died. Specifically. They say that saul died because of x, y, z..

None of the listed reasons is what you proffered. They are rather the reasons I said was the case. Anyone can check in any version of the scriptures they like or in the original language or in the greek of the LXX.. all says the same thing, saul died for disobeying God and for consulting a spirititst.

[jrssite]

@havoc092 Yes.  He disobeyed God by lying and not obeying the command. Later, he consulted a spiritist, yes, but his 'death' warrant was already sealed, just as yours is if you don't repent. "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord,'" AND, from Acts "For there is NO OTHER name under heaven and earth by which a man must be saved....." (speaking, of course, of Jesus). Get it?

[havoc092]

You're handwringing now. The scriptures rebutt your position on why Saul died. The scriptures say why he was put to death. And it wasn't lying. You keep wanting to say it was; because you need that to support the notion that blasphemy is lying as the original point was made to say.. And you failed there. So, I can't but ignore anything else you say. Sorry. as I said before, if you won't face the scriptures, there's nothing more to be said.

[jrssite]

@havoc092 dude - you are already 'dead' - spiritually you have, just like Saul, been cut off from God - in all actuality, you are dead to God spiritually. And, unfortunately for you, like Saul, it will only be a matter of time before you will be physically dead as well. "For it is appointed to man once to die, and then to face the judgement...." (Also, regarding Saul, I am right, you are wrong, but that is besides the point here - point here is won't you turn rather than burn?)

[havoc092]

@jrssite ..but I will make a final point anyway. Sin leads to spiritual death. I haven't denied that, it simply is irrelevant to the issue being discussed. Physical death and spiritual death are not one in the same. So whether lying might have done anything to his spirit is irrelevant. We're dealing with why he physically was put to death and the Bible cuts you off at the knees. Every word, every happenstance is there by design. So stop messing with the design by lying about it's content.

[jrssite]

@havoc092 Wrong, dude. Keep telling yourself you are right, but even then, you lie. I showed you CLEARLY in ACTS the direct quote of why Ananias and Sapphira were killed, for, and I quote, "Lying to the H.S." You say it wasn't for that, it was for blasphemy against the H.S. and that further, God never punishes anyone for lying, with death. I showed you multiple other examples where you are wrong on that count as well, and yet you still deceive yourself... the biggest fool is he who fools SELF

[jrssite]

@havoc092 And your final point is what, exactly. No one ever said spiritual death and physical death are one and the same. What is relevant is that I've showed you wrong on both counts, namely, that Ananias and Sapphira were put to death for lying to the Holy Spirit, NOT for blasheming the H.S., and that multiple people in scripture have been put to death for lying, both points of which you do not refute. Just admit when you are wrong, and move on, because so very wrong you are!

[havoc092]

@jrssite No, you didn't. The scriptures backing me up are in the thread. Get back to me when you can face them. Until then, we really have nothing more to say to one another.

[jrssite]

@havoc092 Yes I did. You didn't even know the two names of these 'people' in Acts, as you put it. And, the scriptures clearly show the disciple saying to them, "you lied to the Holy Spirit," whereupon they fell dead. NOWHERE does it say they blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Dude, you are SOOOO lost. Nobody on this end believes any of your lies. "The worst person to fool is oneself...." LOL, but really, sad for you. Additionally, I provided MULTIPLE examples of people put to death for lying.

[havoc092]

@jrssite Well, that would be an inferrance on your part. I simply abbreviated to get my commentary in under the limit to the extent possible. 500 letters a response seems assinine and this is the only place I've seen this limitation. That said, if you feel the need to invent a different reality to defend yourself, that's your problem - and rather revealing. Who do you suppose does that... Again, until you will face the text there is really nothing further to say and people here can read.

[jrssite]

@havoc092 I. Finally, one thing we can agree on. People WILL be able to read for themselves your lies. You said, "God generally does not put people to death for lying." I gave you MULTIPLE examples of where He did. You said, "They, (Ananias and Sapphira, whose names you FORGOT), were put to death not for lying, but for blaspheming against the Holy Spirit.... in fact this is the classical example of this.." I showed, Acts 5:4 "..you have not lied to men but to God. Then (he died)." You LIE!

[jrssite]

@havoc092 I. Finally, one thing we can agree on. People WILL be able to read for themselves your lies. You said, "God generally does not put people to death for lying." I gave you MULTIPLE examples of where He did. You said, "They, (Ananias and Sapphira, whose names you FORGOT), were put to death not for lying, but for blaspheming against the Holy Spirit.... in fact this is the classical example of this.." I showed, Acts 5:4 "..you have not lied to men but to God. Then (he died)." You lie

[jrssite]

@havoc092 I. Finally, one thing we can agree on. People WILL be able to discern for themselves your lies. You said, "God generally does not put people to death for lying." I gave you MULTIPLE examples of where He did. You said, "They, (Ananias and Sapphira, whose names you FORGOT), were put to death NOT for lying, but for blaspheming against the Holy Spirit.. in fact this is the classical example of this.." I showed, Acts 5:4 "..you have not lied to men but to God. Then (he died)." Lies bro

[jrssite]

@havoc092 Finally, something we do agree on, that people will be able to read and discern for themselves who lies. You said God does not put people to death for lying. Lie. I gave you MULTIPLE examples where He did. You said, "they (Ananias and Sapphira, whose name you FORGOT), were not put to death for lying.. rather for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.. in fact this is the classic example." Lie. I showed, Acts 5:4 " ..You have not lied to men but to God. Whereupon he died." We see u.

[jrssite]

@havoc092 and so, little havoc, God, through me, has exposed you as the fraud that you are, PRETENDING to have a knowledge of the only truth, but NOT having ANY real knowledge whatsoever. You did not know the chapter in Acts (Ch 5) that the two 'people' did what they did, did not know even their names (Ananias and Sapphira), did not even know their sin, (the sin of lying to the Holy Spirit, NOT blasphemy), you do not know much of anything, (even how to spell!). Last chance, bro, turn or burn!

[havoc092]

@jrssite So, as noted, if you won't face what the scriptures actually say, there's nothing more to be said. You say one thing and the scriptures specifically say something else. Where'd any credibility you pretended to have go?

[jrssite]

@havoc092 My point exactly. If YOU won't face what the scriptures actually say, there IS nothing more to be said. NOWHERE in scripture does it say what happened to Ananias and Sapphira was a result of blashpemy against the H.S. as you claim, let alone, as you claim, the 'classic' example of it. It CLEARLY says they were put to death for lying TO the H.S. and for nothing else. See Peter's quote. If you won't face the facts, and get your opinion out of the way, then I suggest you back down.

[havoc092]

1 Chronicles 10:13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, [even] against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking [counsel] of [one that had] a familiar spirit, to enquire of it

[jrssite]

@havoc092 1 Chron 10:13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord (Lied, remember, "Thou shalt not bear false witness?" and did not execute full judgement according to God's command, he died. And also, for his counsel asked of a witch, however, as I pointed out, this was only because God had already condemned him for his earlier sin and so God would not answer him. Had he not done this, he would have died anyway. Get with it!

[havoc092]

1 Samuel 28:18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.

19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow [shalt] thou and thy sons [be] with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.

[jrssite]

@havoc092 I tire of pointing out your errors. "Because thou obeyest not the voice of the Lord (LIED, and did not obey God), nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, (duh, dipstick, this is what I just said, in post earlier 1 Samuel 15) therefore hath the Lord done this thing unto thee this day. Dude, repent not of your sin = go straight to Hell when you die. "and this is the second death.." Rom 6 "For the wages of (YOUR) sin is death......" "but the gift of God is eternal life in J.C."

[havoc092]

..so while the lie is relevant, the story is the blasphemy that arose out of it.  God doesn't tend to put people to death for lying. Were that the case, Adam and Eve never would have survived Eden.

[jrssite]

@havoc092 Wrong you are again. God put people to death for lying many times. Rom 6 "For the wages of sin (especially lying) is death." Sin, any sin, ALWAYS carries the penalty of death in God's eyes. Trouble is, most people, like you, don't realize that their sin shall cause them to be put to everlasting death, after the second resurrection, into Hell apart from God forever. Now, question is, are your sins forgiven, or are you to be put to death?

Ex "On that day, you shalt surely die..."

[havoc092]

@jrssite The wages of sin is spiritual death, sure. But find me another place in the bible where God himself intervened to put someone physically to death for lying. No, it doesn't happen. There has to be a major motivating factor for God to get personally involved in directly handling such a situation. That is the biblical record. When it rises to a particular level, God steps in and jerks chain. Here, God didn't say on that day, god stepped in and acted. Nice sermon though.

[jrssite]

@havoc092 Here you go then: Prov 21:6 (NKJ) "the getting of treasure by a lying tongue [is] a vanity of those who SEEK DEATH." Scripture is repleat with examples of those put to death after breaking a solemn OATH made before the Lord.

But I will give you only two more well-known examples: 1. Achan and his ENTIRE FAMILY were stoned to death after taking spoil from Jericho and lying about it. (Jos 7). (Note: Lying virtually never occurs as a single, solitary sin, does it?)

[jrssite]

Respond to this video... 2. Saul sealed his fate as King over all Israel when he lied to the prophet Samuel and did not destroy all living creatures as he was instructed, and it was at this point that God told Samuel to go search out a new future King, David, for Saul and ALL HIS HOUSE were to now be destroyed, which happened soon afterwards. Havoc, lying ALWAYS carries a death penalty, whether now or in the future, so, I'll renew my query once more, "Are you saved from your lies?" 

[havoc092]

@jrssite You seem to want to paraphrase rather than relay the specifics of what happened. Saul was to be replaced; but, if you're trying to establish that Saul was put to death for lying, the Bible will undo your attempt. Read what is said of why Saul died. Has nothing to do with lying. Has something to do with attempting to speak, through a spiritist, to the dead prophet Samual. And the scripture records that in two places if memory serves.

[jrssite]

@havoc092 ...sigh, havoc, do you not tire of being prooved wrong??? 1Samuel 15 (Following Saul's lie that he said to Samuel against the Amalekites. v. 23: "Because you have rejected the word of the Lord, He has rejected you as king." Refer to any revered bible historian (besides your self), and you will see that it is universally accepted that this is the point that sealed Saul's death, his sin of lies and disobedience. Havoc, again, are you going to be spared from the penalty of your lies?

[havoc092]

@jrssite I don't mind being wrong. Nor do I mind being shown that I am wrong; but, you haven't gotten there. You tacitly said that Saul was put to death for lying. You didn't put it in those words but you tapdanced all around it in response to request for that sort of proof.  Saul was put to death for consulting a spiritist. I don't much care about revered opinion when the text itself says plainly why God put Saul to death.

[jrssite]

@havoc092 I. I have gotten there, but, as it is with your lack of faith in Jesus Christ, you are too blind to see. Re-read carefully 1Samuel (el, not al, btw)28, and you see that Saul consulted the witch because both Samuel and God would not answer his prayer, not co-incidentally since what day? since the day that he LIED before God. He was NOT put to death for consulting her, nor does it say so ANYWHERE in the text. Although, consulting this woman was just one more of his long list of sins.

[havoc092]

@jrssite I just cited the text and it lists the specific reasons. If you won't face the text, there's nothing more to say.

[jrssite]

@havoc092 II. Sin, as it is so evident throughout the history of humanity, never occurs in singularity. It occurs over and over again. Which is why this, if for no other reason, is why lying is punishable by death. What about all the other instances in scripture where man was put to death after defaulting on an oath made before God. Lying IS and always WILL BE punishable by death, and it is only the spiritually blind like you who don't see that. Havoc, won't you come to grips with Jesus?

[jrssite]

@havoc092 Also, just to proove how wrong you are about lying not being punished by death read 1Kings 2 where Shimei was put to death for breaking his oath, v 43"Why then did you not keep your oath to the Lord and obey the command I gave you?"......v. 46 "Then the king gave the order to Benaiah son of Jehoida, and he went out and struck Shimei down and killed him." Guess you're wong again, huh buddy?

[havoc092]

..that said, I don't need to pretend. I've studied comparative religion since 1988. I've debated religion for going on 2 decades. So, I tend to be familiar with my subject. Not that I can't be wrong. I simply think you need to rethink your position.

[CanadianBear47]

religion is stupid

[maluafever]

@CanadianBear47 I agree,

[havoc092]

@maluafever You poor people.

[maluafever]

@havoc092 funny......I don't feel poor

[havoc092]

@maluafever Guess it's a matter of perspective. And I wasn't commenting on how you feel. I was simply noting to myself how people that don't know the riches they pass up out of prejudice really don't know how poor they are. Some people find out too late. And many don't care until it is too late. But you'll always find them on the highway pounding their horn and giving the finger when they don't have the rightofway. Even cause accidents now and then..

[jrssite]

@havoc092 Yes, I believe it is a matter of perspective, havoc. You see, all Christians were, at one time, non-believers. So we have all been where you are, not believing in anything, just hoping, as we age, that we might live just a little while longer than the next guy, because, after all, there is nothing but emptiness and pain after death, you go out as you came in, screaming and in pain and then nothing. But Christians know, through direct revelation from God, that this is not the case.

[CanadianBear47]

@jrssite just wondering how can u feel if your dead its kinda hard

[Horses4life1001]

@maluafever Unfortunately your feeling have nothing to do,with the truth who you are.

[Horses4life1001]

@maluafever Unfortunately your feeling have nothing to do,with the truth who you are in Christ at this monent

[onimotoko]

@havoc092 I'm very rich thank you very much.

[DeWise4]

@CanadianBear47 even Jesus was against "religion".good for you that you sided with him. Good for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jrssite]

@CanadianBear47 your comments show exactly who is stupid.... apparently you are not listening....

[TheMethadoneParty]

@CanadianBear47 Exactly, Its only a personal relationship with God that matters. You can do all the religious ritual you like, but it wont get you far. God is your Father, respect and acknowledge him as so. God Bless!

[Fetrovsky]

@TheMethadoneParty Except Christ left us sacraments that the Church formalized, and which are really important for your spiritual growth. And they're not mere rituals. Those are means for us to receive the Holy Spirit and his Grace again, and again.

[TheMethadoneParty]

@Fetrovsky i know what you mean and i am not disparaging the sacraments, but through a personal relationship with God, he will change your heart, and he will guide you to what you need, if that is the sacraments then fine with me. I just wanted to clarify it is a per. relationship that needs to be set up first and then the growth will happen. What happens to a seed that is not put into the ground before it grows? It's root will never have a foundation. So we are both correct. God Bless!!!!!

[Fetrovsky]

@TheMethadoneParty I like your answer. I agree with you after this clarification. We need the seed from the Spirit, the water from the Spirit and the nutrients from the Spirit. All we need to do is care for the seed and let it grow in us so that it can bear fruit on us. God bless!

[TheMethadoneParty]

@Fetrovsky you said it better than I did lol

[Horses4life1001]

@CanadianBear47 Lord Jesus or Bible is not religion

[Horses4life1001]

@CanadianBear47 Lord Jesus or Bible is not religion.He is the only way and truth. The Bible is His word,His letter for you, which can lead you to Everlasting Live if you let Him.He gave you free will,to see if you truly wont this, just like Himself.

[Horses4life1001]

@CanadianBear47 Lord Jesus or Bible is not religion.He is the only way and truth. The Bible is His word,His letter for you, which can lead you to Everlasting Live if you let Him.He gave you free will,to see if you truly wont this gift.

[cwross1976]

@CanadianBear47 i guess you'll find out just how stupid two seconds after you die. if all is dark and oblivion no problem, if not... forever is a long time.

[CanadianBear47]

@cwross1976 just wondering what happens if there is nothing after this and u spent all your time believing in nothing. also i may have made a stupid comment but i shows how stupid u are to act the way u do towards me

[bobbynj1960]

God bless Chuck Missler a true Christian with a love for God's work & a seeker of bible"s hidden truths

[doupz0r]

5:29 circular reasoning?

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

# minutes in before he starts lying for Jesus. No mention of the re-edits over and over again to suit political wishes of the church, no mention of the contradictions in the bible. Then a huge leap to the origin must be outside of time.

[vesperus1981]

Jesus Bless Missler. I hear Mike Savage today call Biblical Fundamentalists "dangerous". I think

Missler's right!!

[chuckstrayer]

Chuck Missler is truly a man of God. I hope to get a chance to meet him one day in person. His zeal for the Word of God and his dedication to teaching it is fantastic. I've learned more about the Bible in the last year listening and watching his various teaching videos than all the years in Sunday School. His makes the Word of God come to life. God bless this man and his ministry!

[EnchantedRealm]

Perry Stone is also very good. I have learned much from them both. If you get a chance you should check him out. He also brings in the Hebraic tradition to help explain things.

[chuckstrayer]

I have recently seen a few of his videos. They are very good and shows that his is truely a man of God. Praise the Lord for men like Missler and Stone. They are the light in the darkness that is currently consuming this world.

[bzagar1]

i like chuck

[camelhawk]

Gotta love this man.

[theofficenetmusician]

over 1/4 of the Bible is prophetic. This is God showing us His word overrules all other sources of information. We can trust it 100 percent. JESUS IS COMING BACK AND WE SHOULD BE WATCHING FOR IT.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

No he is not. The bible has been shown time and time again to have false prophecies.

[theofficenetmusician]

Yes He is....Maranatha!

[maluafever]

example ??

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Shall I start at the beginning?

Genesis

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17

[maluafever]

on that day Adam died spiritually and eventually he died physically, man was originally created to be imortal

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

930 years is a large margin of error. If you are willing to interpret anything with this much leeway you will never realise how wrong you are.

[7JOS7HUA7]

@TheDogCalledBaxter You are about as intelligent as the last guy I talked to. Adam was made to be immortal. That is why God said he would surely die. And guess what smart alec, he did die. that was the whole point.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Why did God put the tree there if he knew Adam would eat from it?

Could he not see that coming?

[Doc02864]

@TheDogCalledBaxter It's like the math test you took in grammer school, the teacher is just making you prove yourself, what you have learned, if you are willing to follow or if you just want to do your own thing. Yes God knew, but he wanted Adam to choose for himself. You might choose Burger King over McDonalds and God knows which you prefer, but he doesnt force the issue.

[Doc02864]

Adam died spiritually, he was seperated from Gods presence which is far worse than dying physically.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

@Doc02864 Don't try and spin the words of the bible to suit your interpretation. That is the height of hypocrisy.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Genisis

As a punishment for killing Abel, God says Cain will be "a fugitive and a vagabond." Yet in just a few verses (4:16-17) Cain will settle down, marry, have a son, and build a city. This is not the activity one would expect from a fugitive and a vagabond. 4:12

Shall I keep going? Only up to chapter 4 of the first book.

[maluafever]

your opinion, does not constitute false prophecy

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

your opinion does not contitute true prophecy

[7JOS7HUA7]

@TheDogCalledBaxter  Yet again, you know nothing. Cain was a vagabond and a fugitive to HIS OWN PEOPLE. He did not dwell with his family anymore. He ended up starting a city away from his family. Just give up on trying to be more intelligent then a divine book.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

How can you be a vagabond and have your own city?

[btbbuilder]

@7JOS7HUA7

I feel for you. You are debating a devisive ignorant unbeliever that only wants to defend his position rather than seek the truth. The answers he seeks are blatently obvious but he chooses to deflect to his own demise. My opinion is that you are wasting your time. This comes under the heading of Dont Confuse me with the facts because Ive already made up my mind.

Sad, His being wrong has eternal ramifications, but its good you are at least giving him the truth

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Again from Genisis. God promises Abram and his descendants all of the land of Canaan. But both history and the bible (Acts 7:5 and Heb.11:13) show that God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled. 13:15, 15:18, 17:8, 28:13-14

If your god can't predict the future is he really a god at all?

[maluafever]

Read all of Acts chapter 7. In Exodus after they left Egypt Joshua takes Israel across the Jordan and they conquer all the nations in Canaan and dwell there, in other words they inherit the land God promised them as an inheritance and last time I looked they were still there

[7JOS7HUA7]

@TheDogCalledBaxter Where do you think Caanan is smart alec? Yes they did get their promised land. So stop trying to pick and choose to prove points. Just give up

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

If the bible agrees with me are you being blasphemous by arguing?

[jrssite]

@TheDogCalledBaxter No, dog, blasphemy is using God's name in vain, or speaking against God's name. You need to bone up on your ten commandments.... (not that you would ever do this because I'll bet you don't think you've ever sinned.... which is actually laughable).....

[havoc092]

@jrssite Blasphemy is a matter of imputing sin to God, primarily. "using God's name" in vain, is literally a matter of ambassadorship. If you claim to be of or from God (ie a christian) and aren't, you're misrepresenting God. I don't know that this is necessarily blasphemous on it's face; but, it can be.

[jrssite]

@havoc092 No, havoc, speaking Blasphemy is speaking anything that falsely represents the truth of God, or the truth of His word. (Scriptural ref: "God honors his word even above His name.") Therefore, what I said is true. TheDog is like you, wanting and pretending to know enough about the Bible to argue, but being ignorant of what it is talking about. The 'promises' Dog referenced were not the promise of God for land, but the promise of God for Jesus, who had not yet come when they died.

[havoc092]

@jrssite Really? Try applying this notion to the episode in acts - aka blasphemy of the spirit. The scripture didn't enter into what happened. Two people essentially made God and his apostles look like they were holding out on the people. They died for it. It was an assault on the character and nature of God, not on the scripture. Citing people who think they know something doesn't do much for me. Especially when they are so easily shot down by example.

[jrssite]

@havoc092 Really? If you had really studied 'religion' for close to two decades, as you say above, you'd know that, In Acts, what they did was lie to the Holy Spirit, not blasheme against Him. (And, by the way, I've got you beat, I've studied for close to FOUR decades, not a mere two, like you, youngster).. v 3: "Then Peter said, Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?"

[havoc092]

@jrssite LOL. It is the case that represents blasphemy of the spirit. That is what it's called. This is the textbook case of blasphemy of the spirit. They did lie. They also did a lot more than that in what that lie wrought.

The late Dr. Walter Martin used to say that Blasphemy of the spirit was specifically only attributing the acts of the spirit to demonic influence. That isn't exactly correct either. Smart man; but, short sighted.

[jrssite]

@havoc092 LOL!! I can see by your very name, that the devil has wrecked alot of HAVOC in your thinking. There are two NT references in scripture that describe whereof you speak. Mark 3:29, and Luke 12:10. You have exactly the same opine as most error-ridden misinterprets of today's scripture. Most simply put, there is a diff between lying TO God, and lying ABOUT the existence of God. The two people whereof you speak did the former. B of the S is the latter. Ref. ANY modern concordance!!!

[havoc092]

@jrssite That's original. And you mean like Strongs perhaps

988 // blasfhmia // blasphemia // blas-fay-me'-ah //

from 989 ; TDNT - 1:621,107; n f

AV - blasphemy 16, railing 2, evil speaking 1; 19

1) slander, detraction, speech injurious, to another's good name

2) impious and reproachful speech injurious to divine majesty

..as I said, primarily imputing sin to god (slander & injurious to majesty).. As God cannot sin, this is a high form of slander. breathe mint?

[jrssite]

@havoc092 LOL, havoc. I mean honestly, this is tiring. (How often does a man have to be proved wrong)? (Rhetorical). See my reply above starting "Really?" The two people whom you refer to lied TO the holy spirit, they did NOT slander AGAINST the HS. Therefore, by definition, pal, they did NOT commit the unpardonable sin, as you imagine, although I think YOU, ironically have and are doing so as we speak. Breath (also, please learn how to spell, fine brother) mint? Honestly, dude.

[havoc092]

@jrssite Actually; yes, they did slander the spirit. What you're saying is akin to saying that Manson didn't commit murder, he merely cut the people. You're describing surface mechanics rather than application. What happens in a crowd when everyone has expectation and is relying on something donated to the crowd and yet not doled out as agreed? The appearance is fraud - and who is being relied upon... I don't want to rub your face in it or anything, just saying.

[jrssite]

@havoc092 Technically, no, havoc, as usual, you are dead wrong. (So you don't have to worry about rubbing my FACE in it, because, LOL, you haven't actually been able to do that even ONCE, yet. Blasphemy of the Spirit, is, as I've said, an UNBELIEF in the Holy Spirit and the truth of God's word, (if you do not repent of your sins, and fear God and keep his commandments), then and ONLY then have you committed the unforgiveable sin and blasphemed against the HS. Thence, I've just described you!

[havoc092]

@jrssite Well, you keep saying that; but, I've given you a stock example from the text that undermines your position. Perhaps you don't like it; but, it certainly does. There is nothing in the texts that isn't there for a reason. I might add that the Judaic stance on this backs me up. So, given that you keep saying without substantiating and I've thrown something widely understood as blasphemy of the spirit at you and you simply deflect, my job is done. Get your ego out of the way.. ;)

[jrssite]

@havoc092 so tiring, havoc... So let me spell it out for you. V. 3 "And Peter said, Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied TO the H.S...."

and, from your very own post, blasphemy, (def) "1) slander, detraction, speech injurious, to another's good name,

2) impious and reproachful speech injurious to divine majesty

Obviously, even a fifth grader could see dif here between lying TO and speech injurious TO. Question is, "Are you as smart as a 5th grader?"

[havoc092]

@jrssite Tiring? I thought it was engaging. And of course they lied. That goes along with all ill behavior. They didn't hand over monies intended for the support of the community. The community was counting on this money. When it fails to materialize though known to exist, God looks like the bad guy, not Ananias. This fits the definition.

You'll note that Peter wasn't reading a bill of particulars. And berating a thief on the stand for lying doesnt make lying the charge.

[BlowethTheCoals]

Hmm I have yet to find direction on the matter of the book of revelation. Are you suggesting that Missler is following the Jesuit path?

[MrWakeview]

Many thanks for uploading this - it was great to hear his update again.. Cheers T

[MrWakeview]

The book is written for our instruction. The Law - given to Israel. Christ gave us, Joh 15:12 My Commandment, that you LOVE one another, just as I have loved you. You see Christ came into the world not to destroy the old law but to full fill it, he has full filled the old law, WE are not under the old law. LOVE all men as I have loved you. Peter asked the Lord - how many times should I forgive someone - seven times seven. The Lord said no, seventy times seven - for love concurs all!