Polish, Slovak......Old Church language, still spoken by Orthodox priests in southern and eastern Slavic countries. It is used in liturgy and many psalms.
Today is my "Slava" a greatest christian holiday that Serb has. Slava is actually pagan custom that was christined. Every nation had they slava, but only we preserved it as many other pagan custom(sometimes U wonder R we half pagans:). Roman had lari and penati, protectors of family members inside house and outside house.
@jacobromu The way England has treated the Irish is disgraceful....and now Ireland has once again been fucked up the arse after joining the EU....I really hope Ireland reaches the stability it truly deserves one day...Looking at pictures from the Punch magazine from around the time of the famine in my history seminars, was disturbing stuff...it's like looking at Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda...but worse...
@jacobromu Well it was a bit longer ago than 60-70 years but that's true that in the mid 19th century in England people of Celtic ancestry were thought to have more in common genetically with West Africans than the Germanic Anglo-Saxon/Norman English. Little did they know the English have predominantly Celtic ancestry too.
I happened to cross the name of the band whilst searching for new music to listen to, i fucking love it. not so much to listen to it constantly, but it is definitely interesting to me
sup with the religious butthurt? Religion is your relation with your God or Gods, whatever or whomever they happen to be. Dont force it on anyone else, and everybody's happy.
I am not happy. Religious beliefs are idiotic. People with these beliefs are idiots. They are apart of this system we are all in and therefore affect my life as well as others one way or another. I would say the same about a racist, sexist, homophobe etc...
kidding? Prolog is in Russian. It is Russian Ortodox chant (Come and bow before our God), no way to be polish or Croatian (they are catolics) however the languages are similar (you can think it is chirch slavonic).
@endofauthority Do you really find no entertainment in fiction? Also under which assumption can you objectively disprove that anything is false? First-order logic is proved to be consistent, but you still need axioms to infer something of it. Good luck rationalising reality by this mean, boy. Descartes tried and fail.
"Check out my YouTube channel/playlists and websites for present-truth materials, Three Angels' Messages and God's last-mercy warning to His people in these last days.
Papacy = Antichrist / Little Horn / Beast from the Sea
Roman Catholicism = Whore of Babylon
Investigative Judgement has commenced in 1844 (1st Angel's Message)
Ellen G. White, 1827-1915 = End-time Prophet Sent of God
7th-day Sabbath = Seal of God
Sunday Worship to be Enforced as Mark of the Beast"
@SeventhDayRemnant i dont understand....is this a christian awareness message on a pagan video? or is this an anti-christian message, cause im up 4 that anyday! :)
@wyattb995 no, i trashed paganism. i asked rayven to justify some claims about astrology, but it ultimately reduced to her not knowing whether she thinks astrology is art or science, and committing a bunch of logical fallacies
@endauthority okay well your a stupid prick for trashing paganism and can you tell me what you were asking her? I dont really want to read like 20 pages of comments on a bunch of bullshit.
@endauthority well I didnt say anything about christianity now did I, and you can make tell where you are by using the stars as well as the time of the year and many other things that I cant think of right now so I would say astrology is a science. but hey if you dont think it is then thats on you man it's fine by me I dont care what you think or do in life just as long as you're not hurting anyone.have a nice day.
@wyattb995 you said i was a prick for trashing paganism, so i gave you a reason why (hence the christian thing)
Thats not astrology youre talking about, astrology is when you get horoscopes and shit like that. Astronomy is the study of stars, Astrology is something fat wiccans do because they cant get boyfriends, or eventually found one and are too stupid to move on
@endauthority what makes you think wiccans are fat?. and sorry I thought you were talking about the other thing. and in that seence no astrolgy is not a science, and if you are saying its an art than I would agree.
@wyattb995 because the overwhelming majority of wiccans are fat, (fake)bicurious trailer park trash women looking for empowerment through a passive lifestyle. Pretending magic is real avoids the problems in reality that could be fixed by a person more active in it.
Not to mention, they are largely uneducated, which implies they contribute nothing to society
doing the whole pagan thing is probably just as bad as being addicted to WoW.
@endauthority well yes a good majority of wiccans are overweight,and a good bit are women, but as for trailer trash think of it this way most americans are over weight idiots that are trying to avoid reality, but most of us are not like that and we have strong comunity ties and are verry social. maybe you should go and hang out with some PAGANS and see what they have to say, sincerely the Pagan
@wyattb995 the fact that most americans avoid reality is not justification for you to do the same. you have the option to be better than that. I sincerely hope you do so.
@KingHobum why does it matter if one is intolerant? Should I tolerate irrationality? Other peoples actions effect my life, I dont want to live in a world where people who believe in ghosts and goblins. This is made worse due to the fact that these people can vote.
@KingHobum i dont want to sterilize anyone. I want them to buy a logic book and understand it. I want them to take math and science seriously, I want them to embrace a rational society.
@HiggsyAndGinge logic being 100% objective is not my opinion. Yea, I will absolutely make sure everyone hears my opinions. Thats WHY freedom of speech exists, so that there can be a free market of ideas, dont like it, move to north korea, you fascist fuck.
@endauthority Nice, go right to extremes to try and give your point more weight. Also, making sure your opinion is heard, and forcing it upon people is not the same thing.
@HiggsyAndGinge im not forcing anyone into anything. i am making my views heard, some of my views are objective truth (if you dont know what objective means, or how logic is objectively true then we are basially speaking two different languages)
@endauthority I know perfectly well what they mean, but im questioning whether you do, the way you're bandying them about to sound clever. My argument with you isnt about god or whatever, im actually on your side when it comes to that. I just don't like the way you could have said your piece and left it, but instead insist upon fighting with strangers on the internet to try and validate your opinion.
@HiggsyAndGinge If you knew what they mean, then you would understand perfectly that I am correct. Yeah, im NOT being NICE. Niceness has NOTHING TO DO WITH CORRECTNESS.
I hold the default position. We've established this
They dont, and insist that they are correct because logic isnt objective
then they say Astrology is a science, THEN an art, not a science (but then back to science) and they cant prove either claim
@endauthority Whatever, that wasn't my argument. Like i say, i agree with you on all of those points. I just think you should let them believe what they want to, it doesn't harm you and it's not like they'll listen anyway.
@HiggsyAndGinge Yes, that WAS your argument. And no, I wont let them believe what they wat, not without hearing my side of the story anyway. Their actions EFFECT OTHER PEOPLE.
The more people we have believing in nonsense, and resorting to fantasy worlds, the worse off society as a whole is. We need more scientifically literate people, more people who can solve problems in REALITY, not less.
@endauthority Im going to be honest, it's people like you that bring society down. Nobody gives a fuck what you have to say, yet you scream about it anyway.
Im not going to be able to talk to you rationally so im done with this, harp on all you like, i wont be reading your responses.
@HiggsyAndGinge no no no, my ignorant friend, its subjectivists like you who bring society down. You dont care about whats true, or whats factual, you just care about unregulated emotions.
What I am talking about is important, everyone should accept the fact that logic is objective, with that being said, theres no room to believe in a god, and even less to vote with the assumption gods are real.
@endauthority the comment about wiccans is where i draw the line....im neigther fat, female/ trailor trash/ nor do i want empowerment. magic is a state of mind...why do you come to a pagan video and do this....i dont want to call you evil, but you arnt intellegent. what if i say "all atheist are simple, close minded assholes who need to shut the FUCK up and let the rest of us live. because your mind is to narrow to see things others can, you force your short sightedness on us? i think not. STFU.
@ReyvenChild I sent you an email, with most of the links in question so that, perhaps you can understand why you dont meet the criteria for valid proof of your claims.
Only a uneducated twit would say "prove its not true"
You have GOT to be kidding me. Theres no way anyone with any sense would say such a thing
@ReyvenChild Thats funny that you think they are idiotic. Considering youre the one who believes in fairy tales and astrology.
Theres a good chance they are so far beyond your intellectual limit that you think they are stupid. Kind of like if you told a caveman that its possible to go into outer space
@endauthority Just because your claims aren't positive doesn't mean they don't require evidence you stupid fucktard Each time you make a claim, it's a positive one because you are asserting a fact. If you can't back up that fact, you're just as bad as fundie christians.
@ReyvenChild computer science majors are capable of understanding logic like no other.
our entire study is dedicated to understanding logical structures of arguments and algorithms. Not that you know why that would matter, that would be like expecting a chimp to understand calculus, you primitive idiot.
@ReyvenChild if its not possible to be "drawn measured or weighed" on what objective basis can a physical being such as your self claim that it is IN FACT real?
I already proved that evolution is not merely a theory, I linked a source, you idiot.
And I assume you dont realize that a scientific theory is often a fact. A scientific theory is not the same as the street term "theory", a s.theory must be proven to be true first. lol youre so uneducated.
@ReyvenChild i dont sit all day on a computer. actually most of my time right now is either spending time with my girlfriend, working, or preparing to goto japan next summer for my job. im currently learning the language, because my software engineering skills are top notch
Perhaps its because I have a computer science degree, but I am well versed in understanding structure of arguments necessary for proof. Maybe you are lacking in this area, which is why you dont seem to realize why everything you have said does NOT meat the demands of the burden of proof.
@ReyvenChild you havent answered me once. You claim that astrology is a science, and then you say its an art, then you defend it being a science again, and say science doesnt go anywhere near the mystical.
Science observes nature, if the mystical is part of nature, then science will observe it.
Prove the mystical bullshit is real. how many times do I have to ask you this, or are you just going to respond a few more times trying to convince me you're actually a woman?
@endauthority Now you've succeeded in a Red Herring. Which is creating a separate argument different from the first to obfuscate your lack of ability to answer. The fact remains that there is ample evidence to back up astrology. The problem being that not everything is subject to the scientific method. If it was, wed know the answer to everything. We obviously don't. You obviously know less than most.
@BlueFireWitch i have not created a red herring, i demand proof.
also, I cant get him to answer any question he claims he has a answer to. Am I supposed to just say "give me an answer, you pagan idiot" over and over? No, im going to resort to showing the flaws in his logic
And if something isnt subject to the scientific method, prove it.
Prove astrology is true, you pagan fucking retard. Get a life, stop watching lord of the rings and realize reality has a lot to offer.
@endauthority You want proof of your red herring? Your last post had absolutely nothing to do with your original argument, ie red herring. Who's him? You don't even know who it is you argue with. She's been answering you. It is you who won't accept the answers.
@endauthority Obviously, you have no argument, You haven't defended any of your overreaching claims. You've only insulted your opponent. Therefore, you've already been owned. Have a nice day, Reyven, add this fool to your trolls pwned list.
@endauthority Aww, you think you got me pegged? First of all, it's you who are pegged, you stupid shit. I made a video last year that said anyone who can call me fat instead of making an argument have already lost you sexist piece of shit. I am married with child so not lonely, In fact, I'm rarely alone. Also, not fat, I'm actually quite fetching. But you are a faceless, sexist coward on the internet with no real concept of reality,
@ReyvenChild when are you going to prove your claims? im not interested in your side tracking, you and your friends are all naive and dont know how to have a debate without using logical fallacies.
Where is the peer reviewed observations made by astrologists? How have they been verified for objectivity?
Astronomy is the real deal, Astrology is a complete, fucking joke for people who hate their lives and need a form of escape. Paganism is just as stupid as Christianity, if not more so.
@ReyvenChild i like those things too, and i thought i was a saggi, but as it turns out, the astrologers were wrong, and im that new one ostro something
also, i can say someone will have a kid thats born in june that loves all the same things you do, and it will more than likely pan out
@ReyvenChild astrology is more than studying stars, the study claims one can tell the future. there has NEVER been a verified claim astrology has made.
its neither art or science, its incompetency for the incompetent. you arent good at anything, which is why you resort to silly fairy tales and fake sciences.
astrology/horoscopes are way too general, many studies showing people can pick the wrong sign
art or science? seems like youre not so sure yourself anymore!
@ReyvenChild that is stupid beyond words. Constellations only exist in the positions and shapres they do because of our position in the universe. Goto alpha centari and guess what? The big dipper just looks like a mess, not a big dipper. This is well documented, and EMPIRICALLY observed by nasa who has sent machines out into space.
Exactly, Astrology doesnt change, thats the problem with it, and thats why its wrong, and im glad you separated it from science, because it isnt science.
@endauthority (in regards to virtual particles *your particles which come from nothing*) The quantum mechanical vacuum on which virtual particles depend for their existence is not nothing. The dynamical properties of vacuous space arise out of its interaction with matter and radiation fields, in the absence of which 'this dynamism of empty space is but a formal abstraction lacking physical reality.' The quantum vacuum is a sea of fluctuating energy which gives rise to virtual particles.
@ReyvenChild He doesnt educate himself, he obviously doesnt think he has to, he thinks he shits gold and everyone else has to smell it while he parades it....
He obviously cant understand what religion is, which is obvious because he claims only one type of deity, hes not an atheist out of study and questioning, hes one out of stupidity and the inability to understand...
@endauthority well im still waiting for you to reply, i just gave you alot of stuff for you to argue.
And no, you claimed i beleived what i beleive because it makes me feel good, incase you didnt know i beleive deitys are psychological symbols of desired human traits and morals based on the society they where formed into, if i wanted to feel good i would beleive in the abrahamic sense of deity.
@endauthority And no, you claimed one definition for deity, in religious terms this is wrong, ergo you lack knowledge of religion. Now stop trying to change the subject of debate as you claim i do all the time
@Shadowsilas I never ONCE said theres only one definition of a deity. But this is what you want, you WANT to have a discussion on all the different types of deities to AVOID talking about the real issue that you're here to defend (you illogical child). You're here to defend your retard friend who believes in one specific type of deity, but you want to fucking talk about how some people see them as morals, and how others see them as animals, never about your friend. YOU ARE FUCKING UNEDUCATED.
@endauthority Youve lost, get over it. You claimed the only definition of deity was a supernatural being, this is utterly wrong but i let it go because you wanted so much to talk about your idea of deity. I defended the idea in the comments i left, you refuse to argue them, you loose, thanks for a nice chat but if you refuse to keep up the topic of debate then i guess you are giving up.
@Shadowsilas what am i supposed to disprove? More importantly, why do you think I even have an obligation to disprove anything?
I have NO obligations to disprove anything, YOU have an obligation to prove shit. You dont know ANYTHING about logic, which is why youll never amount to anything in life, other than worshiping animals and sticks and shit
@endauthority Ive already proven it, would you like me to repost it all? You claimed at the beginning of this you held the default position, i had to provide the evidence, i did so in the past comments and would be more then happy to repost it. Then you have to debate my proof inorder for this to be an argument, you havent debated the proof ive given. Once again i would be glad to repost everything if you cant find it
@Shadowsilas Sure, repost it. Make sure its ordered if its multiple things. If it doesnt have to do with your friends view points, I will NOT give a shit about what you say, because thats just you changing the subject again. Also, dont make arguments about the universe that reduce to "shoulds and oughts" because I have no interest in that, I only care about how the universe IS. If you make claims about its physical nature, back it up with peer reviewed research.
@endauthority Yes forget all rules of reality, chance, cause and effect. Thermodynamics doesnt fit in our concept of reality.... For fun lets replace one word, "Yes forget rules of reality, chance, cause and effect. Deity doesnt fit in our concept of reality" - Neat huh?
If i remember right though the arguement was on deity, i had 3 points on my argument, youve only answered to one (and not very well considering you based it off a developing feild of science not fully understood)
@ReyvenChild the positions of the planets and stars have changed since astrology has come around, and astologists were not the ones who noticed.
Astrology is NOT science, its about as real as professional wrestling. the only people who believe horoscopes are the ones who were going to believe it anyway
@endauthority How about this. The japanese beleive their gods are spirits, living on the earth. Those of a abrahamic faith see their god as one all-mighty all powerful being. Some norse see their gods as being mortals just on a more powerful level. The native americans gods where mainly spirits who existed in all forms of life. Some see gods as being symbolic references of desired human qualities, others see god as an essence of the plusebo effect. African tribes saw there gods as physical
Hail Odin
bullyboy1863 2 weeks ago
Polish, Slovak......Old Church language, still spoken by Orthodox priests in southern and eastern Slavic countries. It is used in liturgy and many psalms.
PMCEHeaven 2 weeks ago
The intro is Russian Orthodox Christian Chant ; )
Svargedorath 4 weeks ago
It's Polish.
McHeir 1 month ago
its slovak language :-)
scorpo666 1 month ago
Czy chór śpiewający Prolog jest polski ??? bo mi się tak wydaje...
Does the choir singing Prolog is Polish?
Golo1125 2 months ago
@Golo1125 Sounds like russian
Sinietan 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
@Golo1125 Dobrze Ci się wydaje.
McHeir 1 month ago
@Golo1125 It's an Old Church Slavonic. This language is used in Eastern Orthodox as a liturgical language to this day.
Here's the text:
Приидите, поклонимся Цареви нашему Богу.
Приидите, поклонимся Христу, Цареви и Богу нашему.
Translates like:
Come, let's worship Tsar, our God
Come, let's worship Christ, our Tsar and God
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Meshochek 2 months ago
save all the Irish and United! Great Mother Earth is the drug I was born in Brazil: '(
Someone recommended me a good book on elemental beings? Some Celtic Music and Pure ... I like to mix Heavy But I prefer the originals:)
cauaptc 2 months ago
I am Irish. Irish and Scotish people are awsome. JFK & Obama are Irish.
TheMamamoser 2 months ago 4
Today is my "Slava" a greatest christian holiday that Serb has. Slava is actually pagan custom that was christined. Every nation had they slava, but only we preserved it as many other pagan custom(sometimes U wonder R we half pagans:). Roman had lari and penati, protectors of family members inside house and outside house.
Cheers!
masterblaster848 3 months ago
It sounds like the chorus at the beginning is singing in Russian
CopseGrinder23 3 months ago
@CopseGrinder23
No it is Celtic (Keltic).
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@CopseGrinder23
You're absolutely right, it is Russian language.
It's a part of vespers, AFAIK. They're singing:
Приидите, поклонимся Цареви нашему Богу.
Приидите, поклонимся Христу, Цареви и Богу нашему.
Meshochek 2 months ago
@CopseGrinder23 in polish
huvudetskorv 2 months ago
cruachen be thy name .
ukgreaterlondon 3 months ago
@ukgreaterlondon USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheMamamoser 2 months ago
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hedbangr141 3 weeks ago
Chant starts in Croatian (because i know my langauge) and Irish and Croatians are great friends so probably because of that they chose Croatian.
Yoyorle 4 months ago 2
oouuuu Good!! Band!!!!
rockerwik 5 months ago
Let the churches buuuurn! From their ashes an old religions will rise again!
masterblaster848 5 months ago 3
@masterblaster848
So true! The old ceremonies are already found in the holy days of the Catholic Church.
goodstockmedia 5 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Cruachan
@goodstockmedia Chatolic church. . .so gay.
masterblaster848 5 months ago
lolll
darkestdemize 5 months ago
Fuck you I'm pagan!
Azumangadoih 5 months ago in playlist Folk metal/Irish Songs 4
I like this metal/celtic stuff.
goodstockmedia 5 months ago
i want to see multi racial religious temples built everywhere
and churches pulled down not all churches but there are too many churches .
ukgreaterlondon 6 months ago
@ukgreaterlondon Fuck off you scumbag. Ireland was, is and must remain WHITE. Hail to Ireland!
NationalLibertarian 5 months ago
@NationalLibertarian Irish people were only considered "white" in the last 60-70 years. They were considered negroid for the longest time.
jacobromu 5 months ago
@jacobromu You must be trolling. Negroid? Hahaha, you're the fucking nigger.
NationalLibertarian 5 months ago
@NationalLibertarian he's right....perhaps you should read some books and study history before you disagree with people
SROCeallaigh 4 months ago
@jacobromu lol what?
Venska9472 4 months ago
@jacobromu The way England has treated the Irish is disgraceful....and now Ireland has once again been fucked up the arse after joining the EU....I really hope Ireland reaches the stability it truly deserves one day...Looking at pictures from the Punch magazine from around the time of the famine in my history seminars, was disturbing stuff...it's like looking at Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda...but worse...
SROCeallaigh 4 months ago
@jacobromu Well it was a bit longer ago than 60-70 years but that's true that in the mid 19th century in England people of Celtic ancestry were thought to have more in common genetically with West Africans than the Germanic Anglo-Saxon/Norman English. Little did they know the English have predominantly Celtic ancestry too.
Ammoniumbicarbonat 4 months ago
the begining is actually in Slovenian Language and not Russian or Croation or what you all say....;)
DomobranskaLegija 6 months ago
@DomobranskaLegija It's Polish actually |D
I'm Polish so I think I can recognize my own language, eh XD
MidBoss666 6 months ago 3
Hey guys if anyone could tab this song for bass guitar please send me a pm
myrkur84 6 months ago
What is the chant in the begining?
leveille1 6 months ago
@leveille1 I read in some interview that is probably some old church anthem, i think its in russian
myrkur84 6 months ago
I happened to cross the name of the band whilst searching for new music to listen to, i fucking love it. not so much to listen to it constantly, but it is definitely interesting to me
todesengel66612 6 months ago
benditas se an sus guitarras =) XD
yefersonroc 6 months ago
pagan music is almost aways incredible, cruachan is surely no exception \m/
SymphonicFreak1 6 months ago
sup with the religious butthurt? Religion is your relation with your God or Gods, whatever or whomever they happen to be. Dont force it on anyone else, and everybody's happy.
Daiwiz 7 months ago 12
@Daiwiz
I am not happy. Religious beliefs are idiotic. People with these beliefs are idiots. They are apart of this system we are all in and therefore affect my life as well as others one way or another. I would say the same about a racist, sexist, homophobe etc...
LokiSapian 1 week ago
Is it polish (i think about prologue)?
Wolf1910RTS 7 months ago
@Wolf1910RTS
kidding? Prolog is in Russian. It is Russian Ortodox chant (Come and bow before our God), no way to be polish or Croatian (they are catolics) however the languages are similar (you can think it is chirch slavonic).
TllAlex 7 months ago
@Wolf1910RTS The only language in this song is english
LordFerret920 7 months ago
@Wolf1910RTS russian
FArtiZif 4 months ago
Lol starts on Croatian xD
Yoyorle 7 months ago
@endofauthority Do you really find no entertainment in fiction? Also under which assumption can you objectively disprove that anything is false? First-order logic is proved to be consistent, but you still need axioms to infer something of it. Good luck rationalising reality by this mean, boy. Descartes tried and fail.
EVPok 8 months ago 3
is the beggining on croatian? o.O
resman4 8 months ago
People... your ages are showing. Live and let live - and in the mean time.... listen....
1andarach 8 months ago 5
People... your ages are showing. Live and let live - and in the mean time.... listen....
1andarach 8 months ago
"Check out my YouTube channel/playlists and websites for present-truth materials, Three Angels' Messages and God's last-mercy warning to His people in these last days.
Papacy = Antichrist / Little Horn / Beast from the Sea
Roman Catholicism = Whore of Babylon
Investigative Judgement has commenced in 1844 (1st Angel's Message)
Ellen G. White, 1827-1915 = End-time Prophet Sent of God
7th-day Sabbath = Seal of God
Sunday Worship to be Enforced as Mark of the Beast"
SeventhDayRemnant 8 months ago
@SeventhDayRemnant i dont understand....is this a christian awareness message on a pagan video? or is this an anti-christian message, cause im up 4 that anyday! :)
LuSidLryics 8 months ago
Stop arguing and just enjoy the music..
DiviinePk 8 months ago 34
endauthority, you didn't toke my advices seriously didn't you?
if you want evidence, go find out by yourself instead of being a dumbass and arrass what other's believe.
logic --> your channel says that you hate music, why the hell are you in a music video then?
jin54363 8 months ago
@jin54363 you are hopelessly stupid
endauthority 8 months ago
@endauthority
then explain why did you come to a music video if you say music sucks, explain your logic
jin54363 8 months ago
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@jin54363 You're really too stupid to figure out that its sarcasm?
endauthority 8 months ago
---Awesome---
Reelfoots 8 months ago
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@ReyvenChild lol says the idiot pagan who in fact put me on her owned list despite clearly losing
I didnt come back because I have other things to do, and its not on my mind 24/7 sorry but i have a life.
you: And if you have to brag about "owning" someone then you have no ability to own.
then you wonder why you have a nice spot at the bottom of my "trolls owned" list.
Nice logic idiot
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild I havent, and also its not "my" definition, its THE definition. you subjectivist idiot.
Im going to bed, ill make fun of you tomorrow. Make sure you read the email I sent.
endauthority 9 months ago
@endauthority what are you and rayven child talking about? is he trashing paganism?
wyattb995 8 months ago
@wyattb995 no, i trashed paganism. i asked rayven to justify some claims about astrology, but it ultimately reduced to her not knowing whether she thinks astrology is art or science, and committing a bunch of logical fallacies
endauthority 8 months ago
@endauthority okay well your a stupid prick for trashing paganism and can you tell me what you were asking her? I dont really want to read like 20 pages of comments on a bunch of bullshit.
wyattb995 8 months ago
@wyattb995 paganism is just as pathetic as christianity. and I asked her to prove astrology is a real science
endauthority 8 months ago
@endauthority well I didnt say anything about christianity now did I, and you can make tell where you are by using the stars as well as the time of the year and many other things that I cant think of right now so I would say astrology is a science. but hey if you dont think it is then thats on you man it's fine by me I dont care what you think or do in life just as long as you're not hurting anyone.have a nice day.
wyattb995 8 months ago
@wyattb995 you said i was a prick for trashing paganism, so i gave you a reason why (hence the christian thing)
Thats not astrology youre talking about, astrology is when you get horoscopes and shit like that. Astronomy is the study of stars, Astrology is something fat wiccans do because they cant get boyfriends, or eventually found one and are too stupid to move on
endauthority 8 months ago
@endauthority what makes you think wiccans are fat?. and sorry I thought you were talking about the other thing. and in that seence no astrolgy is not a science, and if you are saying its an art than I would agree.
wyattb995 8 months ago
@wyattb995 because the overwhelming majority of wiccans are fat, (fake)bicurious trailer park trash women looking for empowerment through a passive lifestyle. Pretending magic is real avoids the problems in reality that could be fixed by a person more active in it.
Not to mention, they are largely uneducated, which implies they contribute nothing to society
doing the whole pagan thing is probably just as bad as being addicted to WoW.
endauthority 8 months ago
@endauthority well yes a good majority of wiccans are overweight,and a good bit are women, but as for trailer trash think of it this way most americans are over weight idiots that are trying to avoid reality, but most of us are not like that and we have strong comunity ties and are verry social. maybe you should go and hang out with some PAGANS and see what they have to say, sincerely the Pagan
wyattb995 8 months ago
@wyattb995 the fact that most americans avoid reality is not justification for you to do the same. you have the option to be better than that. I sincerely hope you do so.
endauthority 8 months ago
@endauthority sir I do face reality most of us do.
wyattb995 8 months ago
@wyattb995 then why are you a pagan? Embrace logic, rationality and the universe as it appears before us.
We have NO reason to believe in the gods, in any objective sense
endauthority 8 months ago
@endauthority you're being intolerant. on youtube. chill brah. everyone's on their own path.
and while you're at it pass the weeeeeeedddd.....
KingHobum 8 months ago 20
@KingHobum why does it matter if one is intolerant? Should I tolerate irrationality? Other peoples actions effect my life, I dont want to live in a world where people who believe in ghosts and goblins. This is made worse due to the fact that these people can vote.
endauthority 8 months ago
@endauthority yeh, maybe we should just sterilize them.
I've gotten into way to many of these arguments on youtube. We're not doing this.
KingHobum 8 months ago
@KingHobum i dont want to sterilize anyone. I want them to buy a logic book and understand it. I want them to take math and science seriously, I want them to embrace a rational society.
endauthority 8 months ago
@endauthority cool dude. now let them do it on their own unless they ask for help.
KingHobum 8 months ago
@KingHobum they arent doing it, thats the problem.
i will not be silent, so dont bother asking me to be.
endauthority 8 months ago
@endauthority well aren't you just the shining light in this cold and bleak world. enough. peace.
KingHobum 8 months ago
@endauthority so your an obnoxious cunt who likes his/her opinions forced on others? Golly i wish i was more like you
HiggsyAndGinge 8 months ago
@HiggsyAndGinge logic being 100% objective is not my opinion. Yea, I will absolutely make sure everyone hears my opinions. Thats WHY freedom of speech exists, so that there can be a free market of ideas, dont like it, move to north korea, you fascist fuck.
endauthority 8 months ago
@endauthority Nice, go right to extremes to try and give your point more weight. Also, making sure your opinion is heard, and forcing it upon people is not the same thing.
HiggsyAndGinge 8 months ago
@HiggsyAndGinge im not forcing anyone into anything. i am making my views heard, some of my views are objective truth (if you dont know what objective means, or how logic is objectively true then we are basially speaking two different languages)
endauthority 8 months ago
@endauthority I know perfectly well what they mean, but im questioning whether you do, the way you're bandying them about to sound clever. My argument with you isnt about god or whatever, im actually on your side when it comes to that. I just don't like the way you could have said your piece and left it, but instead insist upon fighting with strangers on the internet to try and validate your opinion.
HiggsyAndGinge 8 months ago
@HiggsyAndGinge If you knew what they mean, then you would understand perfectly that I am correct. Yeah, im NOT being NICE. Niceness has NOTHING TO DO WITH CORRECTNESS.
I hold the default position. We've established this
They dont, and insist that they are correct because logic isnt objective
then they say Astrology is a science, THEN an art, not a science (but then back to science) and they cant prove either claim
Shadow wanted to argue semantics
WHERE WAS I WRONG? I wasnt I was 100% correct
endauthority 8 months ago
@endauthority Whatever, that wasn't my argument. Like i say, i agree with you on all of those points. I just think you should let them believe what they want to, it doesn't harm you and it's not like they'll listen anyway.
HiggsyAndGinge 8 months ago
@HiggsyAndGinge Yes, that WAS your argument. And no, I wont let them believe what they wat, not without hearing my side of the story anyway. Their actions EFFECT OTHER PEOPLE.
The more people we have believing in nonsense, and resorting to fantasy worlds, the worse off society as a whole is. We need more scientifically literate people, more people who can solve problems in REALITY, not less.
endauthority 8 months ago
@endauthority Im going to be honest, it's people like you that bring society down. Nobody gives a fuck what you have to say, yet you scream about it anyway.
Im not going to be able to talk to you rationally so im done with this, harp on all you like, i wont be reading your responses.
HiggsyAndGinge 8 months ago
@HiggsyAndGinge no no no, my ignorant friend, its subjectivists like you who bring society down. You dont care about whats true, or whats factual, you just care about unregulated emotions.
What I am talking about is important, everyone should accept the fact that logic is objective, with that being said, theres no room to believe in a god, and even less to vote with the assumption gods are real.
You are ignorant.
endauthority 8 months ago
@KingHobum my sentiments exactly
cman2223 7 months ago
@endauthority the comment about wiccans is where i draw the line....im neigther fat, female/ trailor trash/ nor do i want empowerment. magic is a state of mind...why do you come to a pagan video and do this....i dont want to call you evil, but you arnt intellegent. what if i say "all atheist are simple, close minded assholes who need to shut the FUCK up and let the rest of us live. because your mind is to narrow to see things others can, you force your short sightedness on us? i think not. STFU.
LuSidLryics 8 months ago
@LuSidLryics " arnt intellegent"
lololololol
endauthority 8 months ago
@ReyvenChild I sent you an email, with most of the links in question so that, perhaps you can understand why you dont meet the criteria for valid proof of your claims.
Only a uneducated twit would say "prove its not true"
You have GOT to be kidding me. Theres no way anyone with any sense would say such a thing
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild You're still avoiding the issue
endauthority 9 months ago
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@ReyvenChild I dont have to prove Astrology is false, if you knew anything about logic, you would know that noone EVER has to prove a negative
here ill PROVE IT:
wikipedia org / wiki / Argument_from_ignorance
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild its called a typographical error.
Its quite easy to hit an extra button. You arent smart enough to figure that out
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild Ive claimed things against you for my own lulz, because you arent intelligent.
I claimed the gods arent real to provoke
Astrology isnt a science until it proves its self to be one (BURDEN OF PROOF IDIOT)
I never claimed it wasnt an art. Art is a massively subjective title. Anything can be an art.
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild Thats funny that you think they are idiotic. Considering youre the one who believes in fairy tales and astrology.
Theres a good chance they are so far beyond your intellectual limit that you think they are stupid. Kind of like if you told a caveman that its possible to go into outer space
endauthority 9 months ago
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@ReyvenChild en wikipedia org/wiki/Speciation#Artificial_speciation
EVOLUTION OBSERVED.
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild Well yeah, the scientific method is a method, it is self is not reality. its a method people follow lol idiot.
I assume youre trying to say that not everything is observed by it (GREAT ENGLISH YOU FUCKING IDIOT) then I will ask you, like what?
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild I have no need for evidence, as I have made no positive claims.
You do realize that one major aspect of philosophy is understanding logic?
If you were into philosophy like you claimed, why dont you know anything about logic?
You know people DO study logic, its not just some random word for "it makes sense man!"
endauthority 9 months ago
@endauthority Just because your claims aren't positive doesn't mean they don't require evidence you stupid fucktard Each time you make a claim, it's a positive one because you are asserting a fact. If you can't back up that fact, you're just as bad as fundie christians.
BlueFireWitch 9 months ago
@BlueFireWitch first you say just because its not a positive claim it does not mean evidence isnt required
then you say all my claims are in fact positive
make up your mind
I have made no claims. I only demand evidence of that stupid cunts, and in the process I have made fun of her for teh lulz
because shes not smart, i might as well laugh
endauthority 9 months ago
@endauthority Both statements are true and not contradictory,
BlueFireWitch 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild computer science majors are capable of understanding logic like no other.
our entire study is dedicated to understanding logical structures of arguments and algorithms. Not that you know why that would matter, that would be like expecting a chimp to understand calculus, you primitive idiot.
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild if its not possible to be "drawn measured or weighed" on what objective basis can a physical being such as your self claim that it is IN FACT real?
I already proved that evolution is not merely a theory, I linked a source, you idiot.
And I assume you dont realize that a scientific theory is often a fact. A scientific theory is not the same as the street term "theory", a s.theory must be proven to be true first. lol youre so uneducated.
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild Science observes reality
Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy concerned with explaining the fundamental nature of being and the world
Thus, metaphysics is in fact within the realm of science
seems like you dont know what metaphysics is.
if science cant touch it, its not part of reality.
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild i dont sit all day on a computer. actually most of my time right now is either spending time with my girlfriend, working, or preparing to goto japan next summer for my job. im currently learning the language, because my software engineering skills are top notch
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild Yes, I do call you shit for brains.
Perhaps its because I have a computer science degree, but I am well versed in understanding structure of arguments necessary for proof. Maybe you are lacking in this area, which is why you dont seem to realize why everything you have said does NOT meat the demands of the burden of proof.
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild you havent answered me once. You claim that astrology is a science, and then you say its an art, then you defend it being a science again, and say science doesnt go anywhere near the mystical.
Science observes nature, if the mystical is part of nature, then science will observe it.
Prove the mystical bullshit is real. how many times do I have to ask you this, or are you just going to respond a few more times trying to convince me you're actually a woman?
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild i love how your social contact is limited to your youtube friends list.
That person is not my friend, accepting them was an accident. I do not accept anyone intentionally.
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild I insult you because you refuse to answer a question directly.
You still havent proven astrology is an objective, verified science, without fucking up and calling it an art in the process lololol
go watch the fucking craft you shit for brains
endauthority 9 months ago
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@ReyvenChild science never claimed to show cause, only effect.
If you were into philosophy, you would know this too. But again, you dont.
Nice change of subject on the evolution thing, but yes it is proven
en wikipedia org/wiki/Speciation#Artificial_speciation
again you just show how much of an uneducated fuckwad with too much time you are
more lord of the rings and WoW!!!! that makes up for a pathetic life!!!!!
endauthority 9 months ago
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@ReyvenChild yes you made a positive assertionabout reality when you claimed astrology has a basis in it.
en wikipedia org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof
if you were into philosophy, like you claimed, you would know this shit. but you arent.
no it doesnt mean it doesnt exist, its up to you to prove its real though, as you are the one who believes it.
en wikipedia org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
LOGIC IS OBJECTIVE, start thinking logically
endauthority 9 months ago
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@ReyvenChild AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLHAHAHAHAH
"Yes, its only a hypothesis, but it means that there is logic behind Paganism if it is considered to be possible by science."
1. Hypothesises are not necessarily respected
2.wikipediaorg/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)
I like that christians express their beliefs, i just want them to do so with logic in mind.
prt2/3
endauthority 9 months ago
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@ReyvenChild " You've called me untalented, you've called me uneducated and resorted to swearing among many other things."
en wikipedia org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Common_misconceptions
idiot
prt1
endauthority 9 months ago
@endauthority Now you've succeeded in a Red Herring. Which is creating a separate argument different from the first to obfuscate your lack of ability to answer. The fact remains that there is ample evidence to back up astrology. The problem being that not everything is subject to the scientific method. If it was, wed know the answer to everything. We obviously don't. You obviously know less than most.
BlueFireWitch 9 months ago
@BlueFireWitch i have not created a red herring, i demand proof.
also, I cant get him to answer any question he claims he has a answer to. Am I supposed to just say "give me an answer, you pagan idiot" over and over? No, im going to resort to showing the flaws in his logic
And if something isnt subject to the scientific method, prove it.
Prove astrology is true, you pagan fucking retard. Get a life, stop watching lord of the rings and realize reality has a lot to offer.
endauthority 9 months ago
@endauthority You want proof of your red herring? Your last post had absolutely nothing to do with your original argument, ie red herring. Who's him? You don't even know who it is you argue with. She's been answering you. It is you who won't accept the answers.
BlueFireWitch 9 months ago
@BlueFireWitch Thats because its like pulling teeth with this retard. You think I got a straight answer for anything yet?
Its like talking to a really retarded wall, no wonder this slut is a pagan. Shes all emotion, no brains.
There were NO answers given, just unacceptable side stepping
your beliefs are even more stupid than christianity. They have an excuse, they were born into it, you more than likely were not.
endauthority 9 months ago
@endauthority Obviously, you have no argument, You haven't defended any of your overreaching claims. You've only insulted your opponent. Therefore, you've already been owned. Have a nice day, Reyven, add this fool to your trolls pwned list.
BlueFireWitch 9 months ago
@BlueFireWitch what claims? Hes the one who made claims. I hold the default position.
endauthority 9 months ago
@BlueFireWitch Also, adding someone to a list does not mean they accomplished shit
heres a list for you, ready?
1. You are a lonely fat pagan bitch with no hope of ever accomplishing anything in your life
Hm, only needed one item. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
endauthority 9 months ago
@endauthority Aww, you think you got me pegged? First of all, it's you who are pegged, you stupid shit. I made a video last year that said anyone who can call me fat instead of making an argument have already lost you sexist piece of shit. I am married with child so not lonely, In fact, I'm rarely alone. Also, not fat, I'm actually quite fetching. But you are a faceless, sexist coward on the internet with no real concept of reality,
BlueFireWitch 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild when are you going to prove your claims? im not interested in your side tracking, you and your friends are all naive and dont know how to have a debate without using logical fallacies.
Where is the peer reviewed observations made by astrologists? How have they been verified for objectivity?
Astronomy is the real deal, Astrology is a complete, fucking joke for people who hate their lives and need a form of escape. Paganism is just as stupid as Christianity, if not more so.
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild i like those things too, and i thought i was a saggi, but as it turns out, the astrologers were wrong, and im that new one ostro something
also, i can say someone will have a kid thats born in june that loves all the same things you do, and it will more than likely pan out
resp 2/2
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild i asked you for proof and you didnt give it. are you giving up? you dont even know if its art or science, you uneducated fuck.
ad hominem is when an insult replaces an argument.
example:
person a: jimmy says 2+2=4
person b: that would be true if jimmy wasnt a fucking douche
ad hominem is not the same as giving insults. look it up
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild astrology is more than studying stars, the study claims one can tell the future. there has NEVER been a verified claim astrology has made.
its neither art or science, its incompetency for the incompetent. you arent good at anything, which is why you resort to silly fairy tales and fake sciences.
astrology/horoscopes are way too general, many studies showing people can pick the wrong sign
art or science? seems like youre not so sure yourself anymore!
endauthority 9 months ago
hermoso pagano
vinterriketkalyI 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild okay since you think astrology is a science, prove using the scientific method that the constellations matter.
come on buddy, it should be that hard if its true.
Dont do what Jin did and say nonsense like "teh spirits are in there!!!"
No, I want peer reviewing, full fledged reports on how it works and how the proof can be observed by anyone.
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild that is stupid beyond words. Constellations only exist in the positions and shapres they do because of our position in the universe. Goto alpha centari and guess what? The big dipper just looks like a mess, not a big dipper. This is well documented, and EMPIRICALLY observed by nasa who has sent machines out into space.
Exactly, Astrology doesnt change, thats the problem with it, and thats why its wrong, and im glad you separated it from science, because it isnt science.
endauthority 9 months ago
@endauthority (in regards to virtual particles *your particles which come from nothing*) The quantum mechanical vacuum on which virtual particles depend for their existence is not nothing. The dynamical properties of vacuous space arise out of its interaction with matter and radiation fields, in the absence of which 'this dynamism of empty space is but a formal abstraction lacking physical reality.' The quantum vacuum is a sea of fluctuating energy which gives rise to virtual particles.
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
@endauthority Therefore, virtual particles can hardly be said to arise without a cause
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
@Shadowsilas are we having the discussion here or on your page, jesus fucking christ you jackass.stop double posting
endauthority 9 months ago
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@endauthority The original argument was on here, you are the one who keeps bringing shit to my wall.
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
@endauthority Quantum theory, not thermodynamics. Typo
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
@endauthority You are backing up your claims with something we dont fully understand, which doesnt hold solid debate.
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
@Shadowsilas Not true, look at your page, im not posting here anymore. Only on your page, its easier to follow
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild He doesnt educate himself, he obviously doesnt think he has to, he thinks he shits gold and everyone else has to smell it while he parades it....
He obviously cant understand what religion is, which is obvious because he claims only one type of deity, hes not an atheist out of study and questioning, hes one out of stupidity and the inability to understand...
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
@Shadowsilas i understand perfectly what religion is, as ive demonstrated flawlessly.
you on the other hand resort to logical fallacies to convince yourself (emotionally) that you win debates
endauthority 9 months ago
@endauthority well im still waiting for you to reply, i just gave you alot of stuff for you to argue.
And no, you claimed i beleived what i beleive because it makes me feel good, incase you didnt know i beleive deitys are psychological symbols of desired human traits and morals based on the society they where formed into, if i wanted to feel good i would beleive in the abrahamic sense of deity.
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
@endauthority And no, you claimed one definition for deity, in religious terms this is wrong, ergo you lack knowledge of religion. Now stop trying to change the subject of debate as you claim i do all the time
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
@Shadowsilas I never ONCE said theres only one definition of a deity. But this is what you want, you WANT to have a discussion on all the different types of deities to AVOID talking about the real issue that you're here to defend (you illogical child). You're here to defend your retard friend who believes in one specific type of deity, but you want to fucking talk about how some people see them as morals, and how others see them as animals, never about your friend. YOU ARE FUCKING UNEDUCATED.
endauthority 9 months ago
@endauthority Youve lost, get over it. You claimed the only definition of deity was a supernatural being, this is utterly wrong but i let it go because you wanted so much to talk about your idea of deity. I defended the idea in the comments i left, you refuse to argue them, you loose, thanks for a nice chat but if you refuse to keep up the topic of debate then i guess you are giving up.
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
@Shadowsilas prove that I said theres only one kind of deity. You liar.
endauthority 9 months ago
@endauthority Look whose avoiding the subject now, wether or not you did doesnt matter, stick with the subject of debate.
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
@Shadowsilas wtf, you made a claim about me, then say it doesnt matter? you arent logical, and you arent a good troll.
endauthority 9 months ago
@endauthority So you loose then? Ok nice talking to you
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
@Shadowsilas lol typical uneducated mystic fuckwad, resorting to emotionalism and running away to feel like they win.
I win. Its spelled lose, too. You know, like LOSER, which YOU are. Stop playing WoW and get in reality a bit.
endauthority 9 months ago
@endauthority Im not running away, you refuse to disprove my proof, based off logic. Youve lost, and now your just making yourself look like an ass.
(ps) I dont play WoW, im to busy beating trolls like you in debates
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
@Shadowsilas what am i supposed to disprove? More importantly, why do you think I even have an obligation to disprove anything?
I have NO obligations to disprove anything, YOU have an obligation to prove shit. You dont know ANYTHING about logic, which is why youll never amount to anything in life, other than worshiping animals and sticks and shit
endauthority 9 months ago
@endauthority Ive already proven it, would you like me to repost it all? You claimed at the beginning of this you held the default position, i had to provide the evidence, i did so in the past comments and would be more then happy to repost it. Then you have to debate my proof inorder for this to be an argument, you havent debated the proof ive given. Once again i would be glad to repost everything if you cant find it
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
@Shadowsilas Sure, repost it. Make sure its ordered if its multiple things. If it doesnt have to do with your friends view points, I will NOT give a shit about what you say, because thats just you changing the subject again. Also, dont make arguments about the universe that reduce to "shoulds and oughts" because I have no interest in that, I only care about how the universe IS. If you make claims about its physical nature, back it up with peer reviewed research.
endauthority 9 months ago
@endauthority Its the exact topic you wanted, proof of the definition of a deity as you have defined it
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
@endauthority Yes forget all rules of reality, chance, cause and effect. Thermodynamics doesnt fit in our concept of reality.... For fun lets replace one word, "Yes forget rules of reality, chance, cause and effect. Deity doesnt fit in our concept of reality" - Neat huh?
If i remember right though the arguement was on deity, i had 3 points on my argument, youve only answered to one (and not very well considering you based it off a developing feild of science not fully understood)
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
@endauthority (p.s.) For someone who loves to insult, you sure are sensitive
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
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@Shadowsilas "Look whose avoiding the subject now, wether or not you did doesnt matter, stick with the subject of debate."
You admitted you changed the subject.
This is the second response ive made to this comment
endauthority 9 months ago
@ReyvenChild the positions of the planets and stars have changed since astrology has come around, and astologists were not the ones who noticed.
Astrology is NOT science, its about as real as professional wrestling. the only people who believe horoscopes are the ones who were going to believe it anyway
"Today, Virgo, you will do something"
"OMG ITS SO RIGHT!!!!"
endauthority 9 months ago
@endauthority How about this. The japanese beleive their gods are spirits, living on the earth. Those of a abrahamic faith see their god as one all-mighty all powerful being. Some norse see their gods as being mortals just on a more powerful level. The native americans gods where mainly spirits who existed in all forms of life. Some see gods as being symbolic references of desired human qualities, others see god as an essence of the plusebo effect. African tribes saw there gods as physical
Shadowsilas 9 months ago
@Shadowsilas we are talking about the literal gods that your friend believes in.
the majority of those definitions all have the super natural in common.
You will not sway the conversation, you illogical idiot.
endauthority 9 months ago