@papilgee4evaeva well it (like the Code Red of Amazing Red) is more of a high impact sunset flip with the legs wrapped under the arms for leverage, while the Canadian Destroyer is supposed to be - and that just can't be said with a straight face - a "flip piledriver". I don't know what Dragon thinks about this but for me, the angle alone in which this "flip" is supposed to work looks so physically impossible that it just hurts to look at. Especially when it's against a bigger or equal sized guy
We need more technical wrestlers like her. Ever since Trish and Mickie left, the diva's division came crumbling down. Feels like I'm watching Desperate Housewives/Sex in the city rather than Wrestling.
Kia Stevens' rise was short-lived, too bad she has to leave because of her pregnancy. She made the diva division interesting again along with Nattie, and Beth Phoenix.
@iMargaretteTV No she really doesn't. Firstly because she's a wrestler and not a swimsuit model so WWE wouldn't know what to do with her, and secondly because Chif more or less does wrestling as a hobby while being a Microbiologist in real life. So there's no way she could do the WWE schedule without giving up her day job. And I'd rather have her fight diseases than divas ^^
No she should not go to TNA Or WWE both of these companies are clueless right now. Look what Tna did to Alissa Flash? Shes' a freaking jobber now, wtf?!
Favourite female Western mainstream wrestler: Melina Perez.
And it has nothing to do with them using the same moves. It's because they're both outstanding when it comes to using body language, vocalisation and facial expressions to tell a story. Two of the very best in the business today, male or female.
Most of her offense is very good apart from running to the ropes. Almost all of the American pro wrestling girls are sloppy at it except Mercedes Martinez. And to think how gr8 Shawn and Ric were at it! UNBELIEVABLE
@TheSuicidalDragon nice joke but shes better than given credit though she is nowhere near as good as sarah or mschif but you could give her some credit at least
@Thewwekiller that's how I first got into MsChif. I commented on how awesome the move was when Melina did it and someone said "Oh no, you gotta see MsChif" Idid and I was hooked. amazing talent. The woman of 1004 holds
MsChif is such an artist and it's so refreshing to see someone like her in professional wrestling.
I just wish we could see her more in ROH. I know it's unrealistic, but I'd love to see her in WWE or TNA. I feel like she needs to be seen by the masses.
@Mcheetah its not stealing they where done before mschif... so does that mean she stole it from someone else? no. if everymove someone did was cosidered "stolen" there would be no moves.
Yeah, but it's more than coincidental she (Melina) would have two or more complex moves from the same wrestler. These aren't commonly used techniques.
@TheSuicidalDragon Ahh, sweet. Didn't know who Melissa was when I first saw her on TNA. But, then came YouTube and all of its' awesome-ass clips of her. This makes me think that TNA, in my opinion, fucked up big when they didn't show more of her. Still, sweet choices. :P
PWI is a kayfabe magazine, meaning that the rankings are determined by wins, title victories, and other various accomplishments. While I don't agree with it, that's why McCool was on top.
@TheSuicidalDragon That and McCool was the only woman in televised professional wrestling who had a consistent year. Everyone else had some sort of injury. McCool can wrestle and she always gives a good performance. Who cares that she doesn't have any charisma?!
this chick is bad, man. with all these moves, she'd beat the fire out of ANYONE(other than maybe Gail Kim) on wwe. and she looks pretty enough, too...because it seems that that is all wwe cares about anymore
@makinsjkm it's not about the number of submission moves. The two women are both great competitors. But whatever the case, Gail vs. MsChif in a submission match would still be a match to witness.
Is WWE so desperate they have to steal innovative moves from the Indy scenes? I mean really, if you're that big of a company, you could atleast hire someone to make up moves. Sorry, the Code Green set me off, because WWE took it for Melina.
actually WWE didn't steal it from the code green, it's a japanese wrestling move, like most of the others, Very few wrestling moves now are created, they're just old moves modified
@TheSuicidalDragon oh, that's really sad...it would be amazing see her pairing up with Tara, Hamada, Sarita, Roxxi, Kong, A. Love, etc...of course half of those it already happened in Shimmer. lol
Do you reckon that TNA right now (Hogan era) would not respect her, like they did with Kong 2 years ago, wanting to change her gimmick? I have my doubts...
First and foremost, I have no faith in them at this point. Second, they would probably just lump her into the group with Stevie and Daffney just because she's a darker character.
@TheSuicidalDragon Humm..I don't know...they gave a chance to Kong and she's pretty dark; they gave a chance to Hamada, Sarita; they; they were giving a chance to Roxi b4 she got injured; they elevated ODB to main event,etc
But then again they dropped the ball on Daffney and Alyssa Flash...
It depends, i guess. But i can see them putting MsChif as she is in Shimmer: an unstoppable wrestler for Tara & the others to try to take down
Pushing someone (like Cena, Sheamus, etc) down our throats until we like it or we change the channel?
Also this means that the main event is always fresh, unlike RAW's main event that from January until November always had the same 3 (!!!) guys involved.
Honestly, TNA seems to be trapped in a time warp of the worst wrestling eras in history, with the Nasty Boys and Orlando Jones being pushed over the likes of Daniels, The Murder City Machine Guns, and more.
@TheSuicidalDragon Humm..I disagree:those guys (Nasties, Jordans, Morleys) are only in TNA to push the talent that's already there.
By losing the feud with 3d, the Nasties will that
Same thing already happened with Jordan when he jobbed to Pope
As for the Guns..they are very good athletes, but need to know how to tell a story without using just spots. Everyone could that when they faced the British Invasion..one team was telling a story, the other was just doing spots
Still, though, with the talent TNA has, the Nasties, Orlando, and Morley shouldn't be anywhere near the company. Their time is up(okay, Morley probably has a few years left), and it's time to step back.
As much as i'd love to see her on tv, i hope she stays with ROH, Shimmer and whatever other indys she currently competes with, WWE anf TNA would just waste her. As a side note, Awesome Kong doesn't look so Awesome in the ring with MsChif
The desecrator isn't really a DDT with hair theatrics as opposed to having a nifty set up. Out of all of this, I like the mist. Not enough women do it and its rather fun how it fits her character overall.
Point 1: The move is called the "Last Call" and not the "LA Sunset."
Point 2: I think Melina's looks better. This was the best one MsChif has done. Her other ones can look REALLY sloppy and slow (check out her one of Mercedes Martinez). Melina hits hers perfectly (except on Jillian). Type in the term "sunset flip powerbomb" on YT & watch the 1st video that comes up. Melina's is about 25 times faster & more fluid than MsChif's -- although this one of MsChif's looked good.
Precisely. Wikipedia routinely gets moves wrong, and they use the wrong technical names for moves. But people go there, read up the information on moves, and use that as the be-all-and-end-all guide to wrestling moves and then get upset when people tell them their info is wrong.
Since when has Wikipedia been a credible source for anything? Any halfwit can edit it. That is not the name of the move, never has been, and I don't think it ever will.
@xIceBreakeramamaria wiki bios are the worst wrestling bios in the world, they are so damn innacurate, you might as well take the fake names from SVR games and call the moves by those names
These arguments over who stole what get on my nerves. No one didn't steal the move. You never hear any complaints on their part so why be so butt-hurt about it? So what Melina and MsChif do the same move? Amazing Red, Trevor Murdoch, and many more have done the Yoshi Tonic and not one of them have cried about each other doing that move. Why watch a video to see some moves only to comment that someone else does one of those moves?
@WrestlingFan574 Melina sucks at it, most of the time it is completely botched. Plain and simple. If the person did it well it would not be a problem.
more then likely melina got this move from mschif we all know that mschif didnt invent the move but lets be serious melina did didnt come up with that on her own although mschif does it better some people are concerned the melina will be credited as the creator and it will be seen like mschif took her move and thats just not true all because wwe is the more popular brand (even though they shouldn't be) and the only people who know are us roh and shimmer fans
please everybody stop saying melina copied her move. its not true. mcshif didnt invent the move so its not stealing from her and there arent so many moves to use. oh and if melina copied her code green then maryse copied her desecrator. with the hairflip and ddt.
Wow. So this is where Melina got the move from... I like MsChif, I wish she was on WWE, but I think she'd fit better with TNA. Too bad she isn't interested in both.
Can't honestly blame her at this point. I'd love to see her do well in WWE, but I'm not sure they'd use her all that well, and TNA needs to use the people they've got now before even considering anyone else.
I know, and I think that is a silly point. Melina screams before executing every finishing maneuver she has ever executed in her WWE career; thus, to say she got the idea of screaming before executing her powerbomb from MsChif is, quite frankly, foolhardy.
MsChif did not invent screaming, nor did she invent the leg-trap sunset flip powerbomb. Also, Melina's primal scream has been well documented since 2005, well before MsChif became known to ALL as the NWA Women's Champion in about early 2007.
You mean pretty well known among people who attentively followed ROH and other inconspicuous independent organizations, at the time? I am talking about known to ALL, which is why I capitalized "ALL" in my first post -and that was around 2007.
In any event, I reiterate, the idea that Melina looked at MsChif and decided, "Oooh, that looks cool, I am going to start screaming like her" is absurd. Like I said, MsChif didn't invent screaming, and she certainly didn't invent the sunset flip powerbomb.
I have been thinking about the Desecrator as a finisher. She does indeed have some wicked moves that look cooler and meaner (Call from the Grave is one of my faves). But a finisher is something that has to work on EVERYONE. SDR's Royal Butterfly, for example, is not as effective on bigger girls. But Daizee's Heart Punch/Yakuza Kick works on anyone. And so does the Desecrator. The DDT is a believable ender IF it's sold as one. Jake R's DDT was sold as a killer, and so is Chif's.
i think Cheerleader Melissa is a bit better then Mschif, Melissa is in my opinion the best in the world, she is Fantastic at every aspect of wrestling, she's strong , phenomanal brawler, amazing move-set, great submissions , and and very athletic ( diving Moonsault to the outside, frankeisteiners, missile dropkicks...)
Yes,i also think Cheerleader Melissa is a bit better, but MsChif is definitely in the top, she is one of the best female wrestlers in history. I just wish she could come to tNA, at least for a try-out match on Impact!
Desecrator = Instant Kill. Simply devastating, no matter how you look at it. Once of my top 5 favorite finishers. Fitting that 3 of them are either done by or where innovated by female wrestlers. The fellas need to start taking notes.
Oh alright. But what about the name of the move? Amazing Red calls it the Code Red right? That's kinda what I was wondering, did she call it a Code Green to reference Amazing Red or whatever.
Well said. I feel like I might have heard of that move before. . .LOL. The CodeGreen was my first exposure to the move, and I immediately became a MsChif Acolyte from that point on. Seriously, I had never seen anything cooler at that point!
To everyone asking about Beth vs Chif: SHIMMER recently re-released the OOP vol 1-2 in a single set for $20. Go buy it at ROH's website. You'll see a lot more brilliance than just Beth/Chif, including the first battle in the rivalry b/t MelissChif.
u culd have put the top rop maunsolt which she did against yoshiko tamura insted of the standing maunsolt.
the match with tamura is on youtube.
still, great job!
oh. and there's a video on dailymotion , it's a 60way betewn danger, rain, lacey, melissa, mschif , daizee, she used to the obliteration there against rain, just if u wanted the obliteration with a sound lol.
if you're talking about mschif than yes its true. For starters they'd ask her to change her name and gimmick which i believe MsChif doesn't want to and that's the only thing stopping her from getting into mainstream wrestling
i agree with everyone else that the Desecrator seems more like a signature move than a finisher. It's cool, but not that cool. The double choke rydeen bomb was one of the most brutal I've ever seen.
Damn! That Rydeen Bomb was the Shit!
tozxicrefugeez373 1 month ago
that obliteration move was savage.
DomIstKrieg 4 months ago
Code Green bears some similarity to the Canadian Destroyer, which you hate. I can see why you prefer this move, though... it looks less contrived.
papilgee4evaeva 4 months ago
@papilgee4evaeva well it (like the Code Red of Amazing Red) is more of a high impact sunset flip with the legs wrapped under the arms for leverage, while the Canadian Destroyer is supposed to be - and that just can't be said with a straight face - a "flip piledriver". I don't know what Dragon thinks about this but for me, the angle alone in which this "flip" is supposed to work looks so physically impossible that it just hurts to look at. Especially when it's against a bigger or equal sized guy
Wurzelknecht 4 months ago
Damn the last two moves were awesome
bajan86 5 months ago
Wow awsome moves
faithbreakerxx 6 months ago
Love the way she pins her opponent (Daizee?) at 1:14.
Fehnrique 7 months ago
We need more technical wrestlers like her. Ever since Trish and Mickie left, the diva's division came crumbling down. Feels like I'm watching Desperate Housewives/Sex in the city rather than Wrestling.
Kia Stevens' rise was short-lived, too bad she has to leave because of her pregnancy. She made the diva division interesting again along with Nattie, and Beth Phoenix.
braigus09 8 months ago
Damn! She needs to go to the WWE!
iMargaretteTV 8 months ago
@iMargaretteTV No she really doesn't. Firstly because she's a wrestler and not a swimsuit model so WWE wouldn't know what to do with her, and secondly because Chif more or less does wrestling as a hobby while being a Microbiologist in real life. So there's no way she could do the WWE schedule without giving up her day job. And I'd rather have her fight diseases than divas ^^
Wurzelknecht 4 months ago
Why do I find her screaming hot
AschXTheXBloody 8 months ago in playlist Wrestling Moves and Top Tens
she looks like a female jeff hardy. :)
tekkenobility 8 months ago
this is so american
kickfliprik 8 months ago
No she should not go to TNA Or WWE both of these companies are clueless right now. Look what Tna did to Alissa Flash? Shes' a freaking jobber now, wtf?!
MrTubarr 9 months ago
She looks like a female version of Jeff Hardy, but without the facepaint.
harmfulhazard 10 months ago
nice video
kevinhardy 11 months ago
her and daffney would make good tna tag team champions
saulski90 11 months ago
You should have seen her in GCW when she was in a stable with Delirious.
EhSteve8690 1 year ago
Favourite female Western indie wrestler: MsChif.
Favourite female Western mainstream wrestler: Melina Perez.
And it has nothing to do with them using the same moves. It's because they're both outstanding when it comes to using body language, vocalisation and facial expressions to tell a story. Two of the very best in the business today, male or female.
zoziosawakening 1 year ago
MsChif is AWESOME!!
cdgrnr 1 year ago 2
Most of her offense is very good apart from running to the ropes. Almost all of the American pro wrestling girls are sloppy at it except Mercedes Martinez. And to think how gr8 Shawn and Ric were at it! UNBELIEVABLE
sdroy84agt 1 year ago
can you do one on victoria/ tara?
ILuVToRrIeWiLsOn4EvA 1 year ago
Not sure there's enough usable footage to get one made.
TheSuicidalDragon 1 year ago
@TheSuicidalDragon
Dude id love to see my top 2 fav women wrestlers go at it. my idol Lisa Varon aka. Victoria/Tara vs MsChif
makinsjkm 1 year ago
@TheSuicidalDragon how is there not usable footage of victoria she was in the wwe?
hettee 7 months ago
@hettee he can't/doesn't use footage from WWE, TNA, and some other companies to avoid copyright infringement
MrPhenomenal7 5 months ago
@TheSuicidalDragon nice joke but shes better than given credit though she is nowhere near as good as sarah or mschif but you could give her some credit at least
walmartian555 4 months ago
She's one of my favorite women's wrestlers, to be quite honest.
TheSuicidalDragon 4 months ago
I only saw one move missing there, that half boston crab where she gets way back and touches the girls foot to the back of her head.
HungTuLo77 1 year ago
ms chif code green move is much better executed then melina
Tweetybird4444 1 year ago
That code green looked fucking sweet.
Thewwekiller 1 year ago
@Thewwekiller that's how I first got into MsChif. I commented on how awesome the move was when Melina did it and someone said "Oh no, you gotta see MsChif" Idid and I was hooked. amazing talent. The woman of 1004 holds
embeleshow 1 year ago
MsChif is such an artist and it's so refreshing to see someone like her in professional wrestling.
I just wish we could see her more in ROH. I know it's unrealistic, but I'd love to see her in WWE or TNA. I feel like she needs to be seen by the masses.
xxtesxx 1 year ago
I like how she pins Haze after the Rydeen bomb. Cute, and flexible.
JukoDDT 1 year ago
....or at leased can you make a Top Ten Moves about Daffney for me? :D
AshleyzWannaB 1 year ago
I'll see what I can do, but I'm not sure how much usable footage there is out there.
TheSuicidalDragon 1 year ago 2
she reminds me of lita
WWEAddictful 1 year ago
You should do a Top Ten Moves about Daffney.
AshleyzWannaB 1 year ago
WWE needs a diva like her
MrScorpio96 1 year ago
@MrScorpio96 no they dont and i dont blame mschif because she doesn't want her moveset to be limited and reduced.
kefkaroth 1 year ago
Ok , so who do you think had the moves first Melina or MsChiff? the Double :Leg Muta Lock and Code Green?
lilaaznboiix 1 year ago
Both moves were used by MsChif prior to Melina picking them up.
TheSuicidalDragon 1 year ago 12
@TheSuicidalDragon and both moves where used by someone else before mschif picked them up.
xBlaineMvsx 6 months ago
@TheSuicidalDragon
Damn. Melina stole all of MsChif's shit, and she's been wrestling longer than her!
Mcheetah 5 months ago
@Mcheetah its not stealing they where done before mschif... so does that mean she stole it from someone else? no. if everymove someone did was cosidered "stolen" there would be no moves.
xBlaineMvsx 5 months ago
@xBlaineMvsx
Yeah, but it's more than coincidental she (Melina) would have two or more complex moves from the same wrestler. These aren't commonly used techniques.
Mcheetah 5 months ago
@TheSuicidalDragon Melina used the California Dream move before she was in WWE. She used it as Kyra in another company.
OHThatCRAZYKid 3 months ago
Hey does anyone know where i can download or see Shimmer DVD's or Matchs for free????
MyESCvideos 1 year ago
@MyESCvideos ROH website !
SuperWildsnorlax 1 year ago
Alright. This question is up for debate: Who, in your opinion, is the best female wrestler today? Who's your favourite is what I wanna know too.
DanTheMan774 1 year ago
MsChif and Cheerleader Melissa are probably tied at the top, for me.
TheSuicidalDragon 1 year ago
@TheSuicidalDragon Ahh, sweet. Didn't know who Melissa was when I first saw her on TNA. But, then came YouTube and all of its' awesome-ass clips of her. This makes me think that TNA, in my opinion, fucked up big when they didn't show more of her. Still, sweet choices. :P
DanTheMan774 1 year ago
@TheSuicidalDragon mschif shouldve won the pwi woman of the year award not that lamefool mcsuck.
kefkaroth 1 year ago 4
PWI is a kayfabe magazine, meaning that the rankings are determined by wins, title victories, and other various accomplishments. While I don't agree with it, that's why McCool was on top.
TheSuicidalDragon 1 year ago
@TheSuicidalDragon That and McCool was the only woman in televised professional wrestling who had a consistent year. Everyone else had some sort of injury. McCool can wrestle and she always gives a good performance. Who cares that she doesn't have any charisma?!
Edazon92 1 year ago
@DanTheMan774 MsChif, Amazing/Awesome Kong, and Nikki Roxx (Roxxi) are some of my top picks.
xxtesxx 1 year ago
@xxtesxx Cool, cool. Roxxi is an awesome wrestler too. Wish she had a KO title run in TNA. That would be nice, I guess.
DanTheMan774 1 year ago
She should be in TNA!!!!
shimmerknockout1 1 year ago
@shimmerknockout1 unfortunately she does not want to go to TNA because she believes they will change her gimmick & she does not want that to happen
xAzureSkye 1 year ago
Cena < MsChif
TheSebang 1 year ago 2
holy shit, mschif is awesome
totoroiscutie 1 year ago
she has 2 moves melina does also first last call (la sunset) and california dream
kalanylove 1 year ago
She reminds me of Shego from KimPossible. XD
It'd be fucking neat if she was in a video game.
VelvetBliss7 1 year ago
this chick is bad, man. with all these moves, she'd beat the fire out of ANYONE(other than maybe Gail Kim) on wwe. and she looks pretty enough, too...because it seems that that is all wwe cares about anymore
frtnokr 1 year ago
@frtnokr Oooh, now that you mention it, I want to see MsChif vs Gail Kim in a submission match :D
mumumagic 1 year ago
@mumumagic
ok 1st gail is good and all. but mschif would win. look at her number of submissions
Dragon sleeper
Gates of Hell II (Leg hook seated chinlock)
Rope hung seated chinlock
Muta Lock
Flying headscissors armbar
Hammerlock cutthroat stretch
Camel Clutch
STF
makinsjkm 1 year ago
@makinsjkm it's not about the number of submission moves. The two women are both great competitors. But whatever the case, Gail vs. MsChif in a submission match would still be a match to witness.
mumumagic 1 year ago
Great,,,she's a great athlete ............
albanmanson 1 year ago
nice video
kevinhardy 1 year ago
1:13 holy shite sounded fucking gun shot
reiko187 1 year ago
Is WWE so desperate they have to steal innovative moves from the Indy scenes? I mean really, if you're that big of a company, you could atleast hire someone to make up moves. Sorry, the Code Green set me off, because WWE took it for Melina.
nonameninja 1 year ago
actually WWE didn't steal it from the code green, it's a japanese wrestling move, like most of the others, Very few wrestling moves now are created, they're just old moves modified
RaverNekoBoi 1 year ago 2
Oy vay......ONCE A MOVE IS USED IN WRESTLING IT BELONGS TO WRESTLING!
Damn, why is it such a big deal that someone else uses other peoples' moves? There's no laws against using someone else's move in a different company.
CAWGregoryBlack 1 year ago 2
With one video, my faith in female wrestlers has been restored. Bitch can wrestle.
battousaiashe 1 year ago 3
come to TNA..please
Tara Vs MsChif....dream match
miguedro 1 year ago
She's got a pretty high level day job, so she probably won't go to either TNA or WWE, and I don't blame her in the least.
TheSuicidalDragon 1 year ago
@TheSuicidalDragon what do you mean? she's get paid a lot from her day job? what does she do?
Why do you think she won't go to TNA?
miguedro 1 year ago
She's a microbiologist, and actually had a feature on Yahoo Sports highlighting her day job, and her alter ego as a professional wrestler.
MsChif has said in the past that she prefers the Indy scene, where she doesn't have to worry about her character being changed and whatnot.
TheSuicidalDragon 1 year ago
@TheSuicidalDragon oh, that's really sad...it would be amazing see her pairing up with Tara, Hamada, Sarita, Roxxi, Kong, A. Love, etc...of course half of those it already happened in Shimmer. lol
Do you reckon that TNA right now (Hogan era) would not respect her, like they did with Kong 2 years ago, wanting to change her gimmick? I have my doubts...
Do you know if that feature is online?
miguedro 1 year ago
TNA wouldn't treat her well, no.
TheSuicidalDragon 1 year ago
@TheSuicidalDragon why do you say that?
miguedro 1 year ago
First and foremost, I have no faith in them at this point. Second, they would probably just lump her into the group with Stevie and Daffney just because she's a darker character.
TheSuicidalDragon 1 year ago
@TheSuicidalDragon Humm..I don't know...they gave a chance to Kong and she's pretty dark; they gave a chance to Hamada, Sarita; they; they were giving a chance to Roxi b4 she got injured; they elevated ODB to main event,etc
But then again they dropped the ball on Daffney and Alyssa Flash...
It depends, i guess. But i can see them putting MsChif as she is in Shimmer: an unstoppable wrestler for Tara & the others to try to take down
miguedro 1 year ago
I meant dark as in brooding, banshee-like.
The problem with TNA is that they push these wrestlers, and then hold back, and then push again, rinse and repeat.
TheSuicidalDragon 1 year ago
@TheSuicidalDragon you mean like...Daffney or Vodoo Queen.
I agree, and that's good.
Or would you prefer WWE kids style?
Pushing someone (like Cena, Sheamus, etc) down our throats until we like it or we change the channel?
Also this means that the main event is always fresh, unlike RAW's main event that from January until November always had the same 3 (!!!) guys involved.
I prefer TNA's way, I gotta say.
miguedro 1 year ago
Honestly, TNA seems to be trapped in a time warp of the worst wrestling eras in history, with the Nasty Boys and Orlando Jones being pushed over the likes of Daniels, The Murder City Machine Guns, and more.
TheSuicidalDragon 1 year ago
@TheSuicidalDragon Humm..I disagree:those guys (Nasties, Jordans, Morleys) are only in TNA to push the talent that's already there.
By losing the feud with 3d, the Nasties will that
Same thing already happened with Jordan when he jobbed to Pope
As for the Guns..they are very good athletes, but need to know how to tell a story without using just spots. Everyone could that when they faced the British Invasion..one team was telling a story, the other was just doing spots
as for Daniels, I agree
miguedro 1 year ago
Still, though, with the talent TNA has, the Nasties, Orlando, and Morley shouldn't be anywhere near the company. Their time is up(okay, Morley probably has a few years left), and it's time to step back.
TheSuicidalDragon 1 year ago
@TheSuicidalDragon Well, maybe Hogan wants the fall guys to be his fall guys, you know what I mean?
As for the main event (joe, pope, aj, angle)...I can't really complain...amazing and it's good to see TNA's talent being pushed over.
Just 2 days ago, Pope was elevated to main event status...over mr. Anderson! (Hogan's buddy..see what I mean?)
miguedro 1 year ago
@TheSuicidalDragon and Jordan never really did have a prime. The guy never did anything for me from the moment I saw him on WWE Velocity
SexxyMessiah 1 year ago
MsChif is an awesome wrestler
xIceBreakeramamaria 2 years ago
she have awesome moves
brunoamamaria 2 years ago
I won't start a "who is the best female wrestler in the world" argument, but she's definitely in the top three.
LegendOfMorgana 2 years ago
As much as i'd love to see her on tv, i hope she stays with ROH, Shimmer and whatever other indys she currently competes with, WWE anf TNA would just waste her. As a side note, Awesome Kong doesn't look so Awesome in the ring with MsChif
BlueDeity 2 years ago
MsChif is one of the Best Wrestlers i ever seen
xIceBreakeramamaria 2 years ago 2
The desecrator isn't really a DDT with hair theatrics as opposed to having a nifty set up. Out of all of this, I like the mist. Not enough women do it and its rather fun how it fits her character overall.
newagepun 2 years ago
Im a huge MsChif mark. Shes talanted and pretty.
Icestad 2 years ago 17
agreed
kefkaroth 2 years ago
Yes and her Code Green is better than Melina's LA Sunset
xIceBreakeramamaria 2 years ago
@xIceBreakeramamaria
Point 1: The move is called the "Last Call" and not the "LA Sunset."
Point 2: I think Melina's looks better. This was the best one MsChif has done. Her other ones can look REALLY sloppy and slow (check out her one of Mercedes Martinez). Melina hits hers perfectly (except on Jillian). Type in the term "sunset flip powerbomb" on YT & watch the 1st video that comes up. Melina's is about 25 times faster & more fluid than MsChif's -- although this one of MsChif's looked good.
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago
@KinglyNumbaOne omg shut up search on w.......ia. then u can see its called LA Sunset
xIceBreakeramamaria 1 year ago
Wiki is not a good source for wrestling move info.
TheSuicidalDragon 1 year ago 7
@TheSuicidalDragon hmm
xIceBreakeramamaria 1 year ago
@TheSuicidalDragon
Precisely. Wikipedia routinely gets moves wrong, and they use the wrong technical names for moves. But people go there, read up the information on moves, and use that as the be-all-and-end-all guide to wrestling moves and then get upset when people tell them their info is wrong.
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago
@xIceBreakeramamaria
Since when has Wikipedia been a credible source for anything? Any halfwit can edit it. That is not the name of the move, never has been, and I don't think it ever will.
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago
@xIceBreakeramamaria wiki bios are the worst wrestling bios in the world, they are so damn innacurate, you might as well take the fake names from SVR games and call the moves by those names
SexxyMessiah 1 year ago
@KinglyNumbaOne Delusion 101 on point 2. Melina botches it 90% of the time, no matter who is taking it.
rdchili69 1 year ago
@rdchili69 That's absurd. She doesn't botch it often, and when it is botched, it is clearly the recipient's fault.
Whether you like it or not, Melina's is faster, more fluid, and better than MsChif's. Simple and short.
KinglyNumbaOne 1 year ago
Wow, Melina is a j kat.
XXXLuchador21XXX 2 years ago
The point is it's respect thing usually if a wrestler uses another wrestlers signature move they ask first
chellie180 2 years ago
In the same fed, yes. Elsewhere, it's not that big a deal.
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
I agree.. I use to have respect for Melina.. Not anymore.
Aznar245 2 years ago
Well they both took that move from Amazing Red, but MsChif is better at it
mudbuttkilla85 2 years ago
And Red took it from SAITO. :P
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
she's so great ! ibet she can beat beth phoenix !
kuchikuchi0908 2 years ago
Her and Beth actually met one on one at SHIMMER Volume 2 back before Beth signed with WWE.
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
did she win ?
kuchikuchi0908 2 years ago
beth won great match to.
kefkaroth 2 years ago
These arguments over who stole what get on my nerves. No one didn't steal the move. You never hear any complaints on their part so why be so butt-hurt about it? So what Melina and MsChif do the same move? Amazing Red, Trevor Murdoch, and many more have done the Yoshi Tonic and not one of them have cried about each other doing that move. Why watch a video to see some moves only to comment that someone else does one of those moves?
WrestlingFan574 2 years ago 13
@WrestlingFan574 Melina sucks at it, most of the time it is completely botched. Plain and simple. If the person did it well it would not be a problem.
rdchili69 1 year ago
more then likely melina got this move from mschif we all know that mschif didnt invent the move but lets be serious melina did didnt come up with that on her own although mschif does it better some people are concerned the melina will be credited as the creator and it will be seen like mschif took her move and thats just not true all because wwe is the more popular brand (even though they shouldn't be) and the only people who know are us roh and shimmer fans
chellie180 2 years ago
please everybody stop saying melina copied her move. its not true. mcshif didnt invent the move so its not stealing from her and there arent so many moves to use. oh and if melina copied her code green then maryse copied her desecrator. with the hairflip and ddt.
amare135 2 years ago 4
Wow. So this is where Melina got the move from... I like MsChif, I wish she was on WWE, but I think she'd fit better with TNA. Too bad she isn't interested in both.
Joeaz93 2 years ago
Can't honestly blame her at this point. I'd love to see her do well in WWE, but I'm not sure they'd use her all that well, and TNA needs to use the people they've got now before even considering anyone else.
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
mschif can have my little mschif/necroplasma babies.
kefkaroth 2 years ago
Very impressive.
blackred237 2 years ago
she should be inthe wwe.. it would be great.
sithmike 2 years ago
If she would used well, certainly.
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
I love the way she scream's before she hits "code green" . x
HBICx 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Now we know where Melina got the idea from
DDowdy87 2 years ago
Because MsChif invented screaming, right?
Melina has been screaming for her entire WWE wrestling and managerial career.
KinglyNumbaOne 2 years ago 3
I believe they're referring to 'Chif screaming before hitting the Code Green, much as Melina does currently.
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
exactly, thanks Dragon. Seems like some people just want to try to be cool and talk crap to everyone now a days.
DDowdy87 2 years ago
I know, and I think that is a silly point. Melina screams before executing every finishing maneuver she has ever executed in her WWE career; thus, to say she got the idea of screaming before executing her powerbomb from MsChif is, quite frankly, foolhardy.
MsChif did not invent screaming, nor did she invent the leg-trap sunset flip powerbomb. Also, Melina's primal scream has been well documented since 2005, well before MsChif became known to ALL as the NWA Women's Champion in about early 2007.
KinglyNumbaOne 2 years ago
MsChif was pretty well known before 2007. Roughly 2004 and 2005 is where she started her rise as one of the best female wrestlers in the country.
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
You mean pretty well known among people who attentively followed ROH and other inconspicuous independent organizations, at the time? I am talking about known to ALL, which is why I capitalized "ALL" in my first post -and that was around 2007.
In any event, I reiterate, the idea that Melina looked at MsChif and decided, "Oooh, that looks cool, I am going to start screaming like her" is absurd. Like I said, MsChif didn't invent screaming, and she certainly didn't invent the sunset flip powerbomb.
KinglyNumbaOne 2 years ago
I wouldn't even say she's known to all, as the NWA isn't very well known these days, compared to their glory years.
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
@KinglyNumbaOne MsChif's wrestling career is longer than Melina's by a year, but that's okay.
rdchili69 1 year ago
I have been thinking about the Desecrator as a finisher. She does indeed have some wicked moves that look cooler and meaner (Call from the Grave is one of my faves). But a finisher is something that has to work on EVERYONE. SDR's Royal Butterfly, for example, is not as effective on bigger girls. But Daizee's Heart Punch/Yakuza Kick works on anyone. And so does the Desecrator. The DDT is a believable ender IF it's sold as one. Jake R's DDT was sold as a killer, and so is Chif's.
yoshitonic1 2 years ago
i would like to see mschif vs beth phoenix
psymike 2 years ago
It happened at SHIMMER Volume 2
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
oh are u serious??
do u know where i can watch the match?
psymike 2 years ago
SHIMMER Volume 2. The DVD should be available at either ROH's website or Best Buy's website, as it was a national release.
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
Damn... I just saw this top ten again and this Rydeen Bomb is pure awesomeness!
pille2407 2 years ago
SD, who do you think is better? Cheerleader Melissa or MsChif?
WrestlingGoesHip 2 years ago
i think Cheerleader Melissa is a bit better then Mschif, Melissa is in my opinion the best in the world, she is Fantastic at every aspect of wrestling, she's strong , phenomanal brawler, amazing move-set, great submissions , and and very athletic ( diving Moonsault to the outside, frankeisteiners, missile dropkicks...)
edgeandtnarocks 2 years ago 2
Yes,i also think Cheerleader Melissa is a bit better, but MsChif is definitely in the top, she is one of the best female wrestlers in history. I just wish she could come to tNA, at least for a try-out match on Impact!
ankutzelpop 2 years ago
i remember how you used to do a compilation of certain finishing moves. Is a compilation of the desecrator or the obiliteration possible?
jhniscol 2 years ago
Probably not, no.
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
Isn't a standing Moonsault a bit of a contradiction in terms?
Midnightxpress 2 years ago
Not really, no.
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
Desecrator = Instant Kill. Simply devastating, no matter how you look at it. Once of my top 5 favorite finishers. Fitting that 3 of them are either done by or where innovated by female wrestlers. The fellas need to start taking notes.
kaoz666 2 years ago
idk which move is most brutal
barbwirepain 2 years ago
I love the Obliteration. I wish she'd use it more.
Quixotic311 2 years ago
Wow. Okay, that moveset is seriously more innovative than anything any woman is doing in the "Big Two".
MrWolf316 2 years ago
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The Code Green was based off Amazing Red's move right?
Freddy4190 2 years ago
It's a Yoshi Tonic, a move Amazing Red uses, but didn't invent.
stupidguyno9 2 years ago
Oh alright. But what about the name of the move? Amazing Red calls it the Code Red right? That's kinda what I was wondering, did she call it a Code Green to reference Amazing Red or whatever.
Freddy4190 2 years ago
Well said. I feel like I might have heard of that move before. . .LOL. The CodeGreen was my first exposure to the move, and I immediately became a MsChif Acolyte from that point on. Seriously, I had never seen anything cooler at that point!
To everyone asking about Beth vs Chif: SHIMMER recently re-released the OOP vol 1-2 in a single set for $20. Go buy it at ROH's website. You'll see a lot more brilliance than just Beth/Chif, including the first battle in the rivalry b/t MelissChif.
yoshitonic1 2 years ago
Right.
SadoKaden 2 years ago
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WWe's Melina uses this move with a scream too -_-
77Quan92 2 years ago
MsChif was using it long before Melina.
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
Yeah thats y I said too!
77Quan92 2 years ago
u culd have put the top rop maunsolt which she did against yoshiko tamura insted of the standing maunsolt.
the match with tamura is on youtube.
still, great job!
oh. and there's a video on dailymotion , it's a 60way betewn danger, rain, lacey, melissa, mschif , daizee, she used to the obliteration there against rain, just if u wanted the obliteration with a sound lol.
edgeandtnarocks 2 years ago
I've generally seen her use the standing version moreso than the top rope version.
That clip is ROH material, which isn't usable.
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
*screams*
the mere fact that her scream is demonic is enough to give credibility to her character
great character + devastating moveset = legendary status
kapengmabula 2 years ago 3
Been waiting for this one to get back up. I love MsChif so, so much.
Evergrey06 2 years ago
what promotion was she in for the turnbuckle double foot stomps?
JugganautJimmaJam94 2 years ago
I'm not entirely sure. It's promoted as a ChickFight match, though I couldn't say for sure it's for that promotion.
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
Really sweet. Wish I could have remembered to give you that chickfight clip of her doing Obliteration.
HybridDolphinELPS 2 years ago
Not a big deal, man. I hound you for enough stuff as it is.
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
daffney and mischif my favorite women wrestler's
greatgames148 2 years ago
Wow! Her moveset is awesome! The Desecrator is a very believable finisher.
Mistertbones 2 years ago
i mean cmon, a rana from around the waist!
shes well known but not enough imo
go to tna already!
riegirrl 2 years ago
TNA is starting to get crowded roster wise, and even then, it's not a guarantee she'd be used that well.
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
that is true
it used to be action packed
now its mostly just slow and boring
riegirrl 2 years ago
Honestly, it went from a solid alternative to WWE to WWE-lite.
TheSuicidalDragon 2 years ago
if you're talking about mschif than yes its true. For starters they'd ask her to change her name and gimmick which i believe MsChif doesn't want to and that's the only thing stopping her from getting into mainstream wrestling
Velvetsky101 2 years ago
i agree with everyone else that the Desecrator seems more like a signature move than a finisher. It's cool, but not that cool. The double choke rydeen bomb was one of the most brutal I've ever seen.
krazyzark 2 years ago