Botch - Man The Ramparts

[MrVonCham]

Epic final!!

[rollindownrodeo1]

Dude, these youtube ads are getting really annoying.

[Brosephosaurus]

Legendary

[100eyeflies]

Yet another awesome band nobody seems to notice.

[Aepriz]

@100eyeflies Visit sputnikmusic, everyone there knows Botch. :p

[blake2112]

That last minute and half kicks so much fucking ass.

[ICommitCrimes]

If you miss/love this style of music like I do check out my friends band who are keeping this sound alive. =)

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Really hope yah give em a shot.

[makeithurtful]

that ending riff at 3:28 always makes me feel lethal as fuck.

[GoH4bsGo]

Both this and bands like August Burns Red are metalcore, whatever you may think about both these bands.

[davethehostage]

@GoH4bsGo It's simple, really. Botch is good metalcore, and August Burns Red is awful.

[GoH4bsGo]

@davethehostage I actually like both styles. I don't like ABR but I do like some bands that sound "kinda" like them, such as Counterparts, Misery Signals, The Ghost Inside, etc.

[davethehostage]

@GoH4bsGo I'll concede that not all modern metalcore is trash. The bands mentioned just don't really do anything for me.

[justWidle]

Post Botch Projects for newbies interested in what happened to the four from Tacoma: These Arms are Snakes (r.i.p.), Russian Circles, Minus The Bear, Roy (r.i.p.), Narrows. Brian played bass in TAAS, Tim plays drums in RC, Dave K. plays guitar in Minus, and Dave V. STILL can roar like no one's business in Narrows, and fronted Roy, a country duo, with his Brother. and @realmuzak, you're thinking MATHcore also Not just Metalcore.

[KGGalb]

nah d00dz this is a metalcore/mathcore/crustpunk/h­ardcore/dropbeat (Because they're influenced by converge). all you guys are wrong. I am the the supreme knower of metal genres, because genres are all that matter to music.

[ThazuaBlackarrow]

@KGGalb You got one thing wrong, none of those genres you listed have anything to do with Metal, outside the fact that they're (at least the first four) varying offshoots of Hardcore Punk with different Metal influences.

They ain't Metal genres, son. They Punk. Which is why they all turn to shit the moment they get any sort of commercial success, because the moment you take the anti-commercial/mainstream sentiments out of Punk, you lose the entire idea of Punk, and end up with crap that sucks.

[KGGalb]

@ThazuaBlackarrow You do know that I'm kidding right? Im making fun of all those people who argue about metal genres. Metal is metal, and if you are way into knowing the genres of metal then youre doing it wrong and blowing it. Heavy music is heavy, listen to it and enjoy....no matter what genre it is.

[ThazuaBlackarrow]

@KGGalb I know you're joking. About the obsessive nature many people show towards sub-genres. I was simply stating that every sub-genre you listed is Punk, not Metal. Meaning you jokingly stating you are the supreme knower of Metal genres, even if you are joking, is still wrong.

They're two separate entities. Metal is Metal, but all that was Punk. Simple. You don't have to be overly obsessed about sub-genres and classifications to be able to tell the difference between two plain genres.

[KGGalb]

@ThazuaBlackarrow Still not my intention to make any sense. i guess you didnt get my joke. sorry broseph

[EverxOpeningxFlower]

@KGGalb So if it's metal, then it's good? Not every subgenre of metal has to be good, just because it's metal, and if I enjoy metal I have to enjoy every subgenre, good or bad, just because it's heavy? Shit son, talk about being a dumb poser.

[KGGalb]

@EverxOpeningxFlower I guess you didnt get what I was getting at. Sorry shoulda better articulated my joke to you.

[swedishbutcher]

i remember the days when it was cool to be metalcore

[headtrips1]

Ever think it could be both Metalcore and Mathcore?!?! haha 

[karcosur]

mathodic methcore

[RobinsonProductionz]

can someone tell me how to know the difference between hardcore, metalcore, and post hardcore!?

[MasterExploder61]

@RobinsonProductionz Hardcore is a punk genre, metalcore mixes punk with metal, post-hardcore as implied is a post-hardcore movement and is more melodic and "emotional" compared to true hardcore.

[DireAxis]

This song can beat up your Dad.

[TristanTheMonsta]

who cares if it's "metalcore" or "mathcore"

stop spending time trying to figure out which genre they are

it's just music,how bout that as a genre,just music.

shut up and listen to the music

[supernerd1123]

@TristanTheMonsta shhhhhhhhhhhhh dont tell us that we arent allowed to be douchebags!

[thychaos]

@TristanTheMonsta wow youre right, im sure everybody will stop arguing about it now because of this one comment on youtube.

[bagolyg11]

@TristanTheMonsta listen to the music well and you can easily hear the differences, its not like im waisting much time determining what kind of music this is. it just pops in my head.

[EpsilonX]

I think it's metalcore, since it's a mixture of metal and hardcore. It's also mathcore...bands aren't limited to just one genre lol

[mcemcer]

...we are...we are...we are...we are...

[jonfitforbattle]

Ram the manparts

[FailureKrisz]

Botch

Because you watched: Russian Circles :

thanks youtube? dont know

[MrDickyBingo]

@fpobv yea man. totally.

[XenophonZolatta]

does it sound different to you when you label music to a certain sub genre?

[Inzomnia263]

Zombie slaying music

[CircleMemories]

SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THE GOD DAMN GENRE NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ITS GOOD MUSIC

[bish4610]

Botch + Counterstrike = Win.

[Iluminista991]

lol there's no need to classify so strictly...only geeky idiots insist on it.I personally classify musi on something i like and dislike...dis is definetly something i like.

[GlobalVandetta]

Im lost who are we?

[TheShhh02]

The world needs these guys. They were the game changer. Without them alot of good bands wouldn't be around today.

[rogerthat155]

LOL WHAT THE FUCKS WITH THE 1911 BUTTON???

[manuelvalencia11]

es parecida a norma jean

[pollux446]

great music but i dont understand why people get so agressive with great bands like this. its almost like if they feel they own it and dont want to share.

[wakefilioso]

The term mathcore bugs me. Math exists in all kinds of music. Yes, I agree that some bands use a larger variety of time signatures than others bands. For example, this band, Helmet, Dream Theater, Mudvayne, even some Metallica and early Shadows Fall. The genres are so confusing these days. Heavy metal previously refered to what we call hair metal, like the Scorpions and Whitesnake, but now it doesn't. Thrash, speed, black and death metal, tech death, death core, metalcore. Who can keep up?

[arthurmckinnery15215]

@selurxelpirt love your butch page....everyone, please go there and leave lots of butch messages for our butch friend. I think you're right, that's what bands do, decide to rip off a style, remarket it and see how it works. You've obviously been in lots of bands and are very wise.... TW*T!

[chronicreptile]

People argue too much about genres. Ive just discovered these guys, I love it. Been looking for something like this for a while.

[pollux446]

@chronicreptile had you heard the chariot?

[chronicreptile]

@pollux446 I have now! They're well good fair play, nice one man

[Montross185]

Yes. Yes! YES!

[Iluminista991]

it's called mathcore...but the genre isn't important what's important is the music's good

[edisacuntface]

some next tags right there!

[Marcum369]

Hardcore Hardcore its fuckin Hardcore bitches

[mizzie101TH]

who gives a damn what genre it is just enjoy the music for god sake, do people really need to be that petty

[mizzie101TH]

are people bitching over what genre it is who gives a toss just enjoy the band man for the love of god,

[slkhaldrogo]

Jesus people argue over what genre this is and to be honest i call it metalcore and i don't give a shit what it is whether it's metalcore or mathcore or whatever it's good fuckin music so just calm down and listen to it. But i do agree that mathcore is a retarded name.

[Uzingniga20]

Im new to this band. to be honest, this is my first song by them, and i loves me some goods math metal, and this band fucking rocks!!!

[TheDragonSparks]

Always liked this band, how come there is no love for Roy?

[sparhawk16]

Does anyone know what type of screaming this is? Like fry, false chords, etc

[2323jgrant]

@sparhawk16 its uhh..the good kind.

[DaggersPlunge]

@sparhawk16 neither. He is just yelling via his throat. Most bands of this era didn't employ the fry technique, and I hardly count False Chord a technique, as ANYONE can do it instantly.

[CrpzGrndrKrnx]

this.is.the.true.direction.of.­hard.music.

[pwnsauce319]

Killswitch's second album was actually really good, then they turned to shit after that. And I agree, there are only a few bands in the modern metalcore scene worth listening to.

[fechai101]

mathcore

[yovioleatuzorramadre]

@fechai101 fuck mathcore, gay term

[selurxelpirt]

it's not metalcore >:|

the fact that the uploader even MENTIONED "killswitch engage" and "metalcore" in the tags just pisses me off.

don't you know that most of those shitty metalcore bands wouldn't even EXIST if it weren't for Botch's influence?

[realmuzak]

@selurxelpirt I honestly don't remember tagging this. Part of the tag is the bands Botch dissolved into, (Russian Circles, TAAS, Minus the Bear, etc). I think I might have just taken last.fm tags or something. Obviously Botch sounds nothing like Lamb of God or Killswitch engage (neither of which of ever listened to btw). In all honesty I think I might have just done it to grab views or something.

[realmuzak]

@I am curious what you'd classify this as if not metalcore. As I classify this, middle career Converge, and DEP as the early forefathers of metalcore, and then the genre to have disbanded fairly quickly with only minor bands still playing a style that really resembles it. And then of course KsE and LoG taking up the name metalcore, despite having no real resemblence to the original style.

Also I'm pretty sure Converge, Knut, and Zao would have at least existed without Botch.

*waits for tldr*

[electricTusk]

@realmuzak I guess I would retrospectively call We Are The Romans a metalcore record. Like Protopunk, when The MC5, Stooges and The New York Dolls were doing their thing, nobody was calling it Punk Rock. Many of those into Botch's music are going to argue with you up and down that they are not metalcore. Metalcore is out played and boring, and nobody wants to label Botch as such. I say the forerunners are Converge, Botch, Coalesce and Shai Hulud.

[Bolter06]

@realmuzak To satisfy your curiosity this is not metalcore, this is Mathcore "Botch was a four-piece mathcore band"

Hope i helped you in some way.

[duffmasterofpuppets]

@realmuzak Progressive mathcore, I suppose. But then again, mathcore is a sub-genre of metalcore. Either way, Botch rules, despite how much those other bands suck. Botch is really the only metalcore band I like.

[duffmasterofpuppets]

@realmuzak Botch is mathcore, which is a subgenre of metalcore. So yes, they're metalcore. However, they're nowhere NEAR the type of shitty metalcore that KsE is.

[skiddlecrumms]

@realmuzak Mathcore, which started in the 90's. Converge, Botch and Knut were some of the first and I think Converge was the first to get popular.

[hybridharris]

@realmuzak

Lamb Of God.

Metalcore.

lolwut

[h4s4t4n]

@realmuzak I consider Botch to be mathcore. I consider As Blood Runs Black to be metalcore. Thank you for the upload.

[adderallpaul]

@realmuzak Botch toured with all of those bands. As well as shai hulud and coalesce. They were contemporaries so of course they would have still existed.

[nashvegas20]

@realmuzak Botch, old Cave In, Kiss it Goodbye, Deadguy.. all metalcore. The change into what it became happened around the early 2000's, particularly with the explosion of KSE first full length, Lamb of God's first full length and As I Lay Dying.. it took on more of a "metal" sound. These bands to me, sounded very discordant punk influenced chaotic and a bit 'mathy'... but in my opinion, metalcore none the less. Just the early, BEST metalcore sound in my opinion.

[nashvegas20]

@nashvegas20 oh can't forget DEP's first EP in that mix of good early metalcore.. ZAO too, but they were a little more metal like KSE and LOG, AILD. Society's Finest was another great band along with Embodyment that unfortunately didn't break through

[SuperBassinyourface]

@realmuzak tl;dr. I'd prolly class it as hardcore mixed with abit o' math rock in there and maybe a dash of noise rock. I don't think botch can be summed up by one genre, But i'd say its hardcore if anything

[420dudemeister]

@selurxelpirt Haha, another snobby elitist scenester who thinks they know more about music than they actually do. You get pissed about the labels placed on this vid, but contradict yourself by attributing the same music you hate to the influence of the band you think you're defending, lol

[selurxelpirt]

@420dudemeister oh yeah i'm totally a snobby elitist scenester just because i have an opinion that doesn't quite align with yours.

btw, how exactly do it "contradict myself by attributing the same music i hate to the influence of the band i think i'm defending"? i said clear as day that Botch was a large influence in the newer waves of what is known as "metalcore". it just annoys me that bands can take that style, bastardize it, and then market it for millions of dollars and claim all credit

[420dudemeister]

@selurxelpirt Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Botch - I can't stand kswe -, but you're obsessing over genres. Botch and killswitch are completely different in every way so saying most of those other shitty bands wouldn't even exist without Botch makes no sense. It's like you as a Botch fan are trying to take credit for other genres, but then saying how terrible they are, and my scenster comment was about how funny I find people who get angry about music that has no effect on them at all. Rock On

[coldpizza654321]

@420dudemeister no rock and metal bands are different in every way. they all use instruments

[420dudemeister]

@coldpizza654321 lol, ok.

[thychaos]

@selurxelpirt yeah, its metalcore.

[noobtube3000]

@selurxelpirt well it is mathcore

[MasterExploder61]

@selurxelpirt Mathcore IS metalcore.

[conservative95]

@selurxelpirt Those "metalcore" bands have nothing to do with botch. Thier influences are probably bands like lamb of God or realy any other metal band that developed the main metal generes. If botch was that good i think they wolud be more popular.

[atomagenesis]

I saw them on this tour, they were awesome live. Whooped up. They are comparable in stage presence to early dillenger escape plan.

[alltorquenopants]

Ram the manparts

[Zebztheshit2]

i miss this shit

[simognr]

There are similarities with Tool, in the music

[selurxelpirt]

@simognr thats probably because both bands fit the "progressive" description.

[alltorquenopants]

This live = The Apocalypse

[justsomebeast]

we are the roMAN THE RAMPARTS

[justsomebeast]

man the ramparts!

[baremyteeth]

NEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[joshybrown17]

LEEEEEEEEEROY!!!!!!!!

[GanjaKid420]

WE ARE THE ROMANS

[gooddayjason]

first comment lol, not bad

[crassisdead]

Nobody cares dude.

[nathellion]

@crassisdead I care, dewd.

[crassisdead]

@nathellion Well that's very kind of you, dude.

[realmuzak]

@crassisdead dooooooooooooood..

[crassisdead]

@realmuzak Broseph