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  • Curious if you're still using this, Rich. And if you are: do you have a meter that'll run both directions? I think most people may not be thinking this in the comment thread, but if you're not actually running your meter backwards, you're just offsetting your usage. So you're "slowing" the meter, in effect, and don't need a new one. Thoughts?

  • @noahcarver Yes it will INCREASE your power bill. The meter may run backwards But the numbers go Forward

    costing you more. If you put "IN" power to Grid you will be billed for it.

    Sunday Oct 30 2011 I input over 2700 Watt hours of power and the meter went up by 3, a real rip off.

  • @noahcarver Sometimes with newer digital meters you can't send power back into the grid. You have to sign up in a contract with your electric company and recieve a special meter to send it back and make money. Most systems only make enough to suppliment the power company. Unless your inverter can kick out more than you're using inside the house, you shouldn't have a problem. It's impossible for it to increase your electric bill (It gets the power from the batteries, not the grid).

  • Rich, did you ever figure out if this investment was worth the money? Did it help your power consumption?

  • one thing 250watts is not much to feed back ,I use the 550watt version and it works better see a difference and it will shut off if power is lost to avoid so its safe .I had an analog meter it will spin back. my power company had to install a second meter with the digital meter allot wont go back . two meters one for mesuring in usage and one to record out use and with a signed contract &fee they allow me to feed power back in to the grid credit my account the generated power.run longer works

  • $142 for a 250 Watt grid-tie inverter is a TOTAL RIPOFF

  • Should put your solar panels on top of the trees.

  • what is a "tie grid inverter?"  maybe a Grid Tie inverter! huh!

  • Yes: 4CHRISTONLY1, so you say 5 hour and your did Not move ? Ok But some times my Smart meter Don't Move For 4 to 6 Hours at a time. ty for your Comment any way it's Help Me A LOT. Just what I needed to Know if The Smart Meter would work with This grid tie inverter sycm. ty see ya.

  • I am looking at these on Ebay and I just want to get it right... So I get one of these and plug it into a wall socket and it will feed my house 'circuit' with power. And if I turn off all my appliances it will turn my meter backwards???

  • I dont think the power companies are honest nor are the big oil companies who supress Tesla technologies who wanted free wireless electricity for all ! Not to mention Tesla created AC current ,AC generator,remote control vehicles. Embrace your cell phone and thank good ol Nikola Tesla for your wireless technologies! Yay

  • Just for your information if you have a new Smart Meter outside your house, grid tie inverter like this do not work at all. What I mean is Smart Meter does not slow down the meter or runs backward. Your are just basically wasting your money. You need to install also a NET metering. This is what I learn from my local electric company!

  • @moremov52 @moremov52 Not true . I have a new smart meter . It will not run backwards but it will stop . Also there is a small led bar indicator showing which way the power is going . Mine moves from left to right . when i shut down everything except the grid tie and a few Cfl lights the Bar indicator goes from right to left showing power is being restored to the grid . Also a 5 hour test was done and the meter numbers remain where they were . So it Does work and you are not wasting money.

  • @TrueNevose: I have 6 stacked Sun-1000G-WAL grid tie inverters being fed power from 3 60vac/1500watt 3 phase wind turbines. These grid tie inverters can be connected to any outlet in the home. The grid-tie inverter controls the phase, the frequency and the voltage of the power generated by the wind turbine. It produces a pure sine-wave and matches that of the grid.

    It also has "Island Protection" & MPPT. As well as built in Load Dump. There is nothing illegal about these!

  • To TrueNevose: I have 6 stacked Sun-1000G-WAL grid tie inverters being fed power from 3 60vac/1500watt 3 phase wind turbines. These grid tie inverters can be connected to any outlet in the home. The grid-tie inverter controls the phase, the frequency and the voltage of the power generated by the wind turbine. It produces a pure sine-wave and matches that of the grid.

    It also has "Island Protection" & MPPT. As well as built in Load Dump. There is nothing illegal about these!

  • @TrueNevose this one does the same if theres no power theres no output it shuts off

  • @TrueNevose micro grid tie inverters have island protection to prevent feed back when the power company turns off the power or are working on the power lines. Meaning when the inverter doesn't detect grid power it shuts off. unlike a regular inverter it has to detect both incomming power from pv or windgenerator and 115v grid power before it will work.

  • @TrueNevose micro grid tie inverters have island protection to prevent feed back when the power company turns off the power or are working on the power lines. Meaning when the inverter doesn't detect grid power it shuts off. unlike a regular inverter it has to detect both incomming power from pv or windgenerator and 115v grid power before it will work

  • @TrueNevose yeah... this is a GRID-TIE inverter, not the standard inverter you use in your car. If it doesn't detect an AC wavelength on the grid (aka, power's out), it WON'T send power into the grid (and yes, that is required by law on all GTIs)

  • @MacOSJoey The people that work on power lines know to coverup all the lines with rubber blankets even when the power is off. Their are a lot of people that run generator into thier panel. Even if the inverter did keep running, the lineman will be fine. I know, I am one.

  • Sorry but I must add this. This unless it is an off grid installation or set up, is illegal. To truly be tied into the grid you need a 'synchronous inverter' yeah, pretty expensive if you want some major pay back for your energy.

    If you know energy you know I'm right. If you think I'm full of crap, then listen. In this hook up, when the grid has a power outage. Unless you notice that you're neighbors are out of power and you trip you're main power breaker. You will still are feeding the grid.

  • @TrueNevose These have island protection. meaning they need to be plugged in in order to work..POWER GOES OUT>>>>so do these<<<<

  • @noahcarver - In my area the local power company charges a flat fee of about $12 per month to have the meter at my home. Not too shabby to have you normal bill cut to $12 a month and you pocket the difference!

  • @noahcarver - So the other method is to set up your power production charging batterys then to a DC to AC Inverter. Install a CUT-OVER switch so that you can shut off the power company and use them for back-up, and use your power for free. This is where YOU will make the best return on your investment in equipment. You can also install a WHr meter and monitor your own system. With the CUT-OVER switch you switch over to the local power company when you have your system down for repairs.

  • @noahcarver - Continuing. As an example in my area in central Iowa the power producer, not the Power Coop, charges $.0833 per kilowat hour. The Coops charge from $.011 to $.015 per kilowatt hour. Note: the COOPs don't like to accept anyone's power unless it is from a large investor owned power company, though they must by federal law. Any way my local producer only credits me $.01 per KWH claiming the rest is admin costs and doesn't count.

  • @noahcarver - I have a digital meter similar to the one the video. I talked to my power company they said that the meter would not run in reverse and that a bi-directional meter would need to be installed to set up my account on NETMETERING. With the bi-directional meter you get an instantanous reading of total power used by YOU or the total power accepted by THE POWER COMPANY. In most cases the power company though they do pay you for your power it is only the wholesale rate to produce.

  • @noahcarver sounds like they are trying to scare people i dont see how it would raise you power bill

  • hey ijust found your videos and love em,.....but to tell you the truth i dont really understand whats goin on here...can you or someone who knows what there talkin about please explain thx

  • It may be an inverter (12v to 120v) but does it match the line frequency and both 120volt phases? I'm thinking of making a 10kw wood power generation setup but shelling out 50grand for a 10kw grid tie inverter puts a damper on the idea of sending extra power back to the grid.

  • Rich, did you ever get a chance to test the eff numbers on that inverter? I'm finding that many aren't capable of producing nowhere near what they claim. You?

  • dude I have 3 125 watt panels running into this and 4 45watt HF kits running into this.

    Fan runs non stop lol.

    I can't believe it handles it. I am wondering though just how much power it is producing back for me. I had someone tell me out of all that I might be getting 180 watts or so. Seems off I need to get a kilowatt meter

  • I would like to see this in full scale? Could you possibly build a battery bank to store energy and use inside the home or shop totally off the grid? I like your videos btw! You Rock! Joe

  • What is the difference between a Grid Tie Inverter and a 12v to 110v Inverter ?

    Can a standard 12v to 110v inverter work as a Grid Tie Inverter ?

  • @WulfBand No you can never connect a regular inverter to the grid. That is dangerous.. The grid-tie inverter is made for sensing if there is electricity on the net and adapt its output to this voltage and Hz... So never connect a regular inverter to the grid..

  • @taztaz79 Your right, a regular inverter does not have any "sync" ability to say "in phase" with the grid supply. However, if your completely disconnect from the grid through a switch in your own home, then it is possible to run some electricity through your existing house wireing....so if you were to build a "green energy" type of house, completely disconnected from the grid, you still would want to install "house wireing" for power.

  • @trailkeeper I continue my last reply.. We have 5 wires going into most of our houses in sweden. 3 phases (dont know if spelled correct) and one earth (ground) and one 0- connection. The 3 phases has a voltage differential of 230v against the 0-wire. You can also get 380v (16A) if you use all 3 phases. My house has 230v and 380v and maximum 16A on every phase. But for houses 20A and also 25A is common but more expensive. I manage fine with 16A :)

  • I am still quite new to all this so please bare with me...I just wanted to know if this is the only way to patch into the house circuit? I have numerous breakers available in my main electric box, could a solar power system be integrated directly?

  • @lisag65256 yes it can be wired to a elec panel

  • @lisag65256 As for basic safety of what your asking, it is a good idea not to mix any power you make with green energy or something, with grid power, unless you have special equipment such as a "grid tie inverter".that is compatable with the utility's own grid system. Otherwise, if you want to use your existing house wireing, you have to get disconnected from the grid by a switch in your own house with no chance of power from or to it for safety reasons.

  • @lisag65256 it can but that's when you either really need to know what you are doing or hire and electrician so you don't fry yourself or burn you house down.

  • @lisag65256 it can but that's when you either really need to know what you are doing or hire and electrician so you don't fry yourself or burn you house down.

  • Where can i buy this inverter?

  • got mine off ebay

  • @wolfmnfh you can get inverters at truck stops too...truckers need em to supply power to there stuff

  • Very nice video. I watch all your videos. Please have a look at my Grid Tie video. I am very happy with the production so far.

    Cheers

  • there are always going to be people on the grid, so what? the key is to sell power back to the grid and make money. With the job situation the way it is it might just be your only source of income.

  • I guess if its not a "grid tie / synchronized / capapble " inverter , it might be possible to use a regular inverter if the utility company power is turned off to the house.

  • @trailkeeper I don't know so much about the US power grid other than its 110v 60Hz? But here in Sweden you can't do it that way.. Because the fases (3 fases x 230v 16A in my house) will be turned of by the Switch but the 0 connection that is earthed will still going out. That will make it very dangerous if power is down and an electrician try to fix the error and you are running inverter with the incoming mainswitch off...

  • @taztaz79 Were about 110 to 120V 60hz, in America. Regardless of your country, if no power is going to the grid or comming from the grid (ie be sure "external" grid connections have been completely disabled in your own house - regardless if there is a grid blackout or not) and no power is being sent to the grid (ie from a regular inverter, non-grid types), then there should be no problem. For safety, you have to be "disconnected" from the grid as if you dont have a grid connection.

  • @trailkeeper Yes, i know.. I have a main breaker in my house. But i have spoken to several electricians and they say the same thing. If you switch of your main breaker in the house and run an inverter inside your house there will still be dangerous voltage going out to the net.. It is like that here in Sweden anyway. I don't know your system in America. Here we have a earth and 0-wire connection that is not going through main breaker. Don't ask me how it works ;)

  • @taztaz79 So how can you supply power through the house wireing then? There has got to be a way to stay disconnected from the grid.

  • @trailkeeper Yes, you can disconnect the 3 phases but never the 0 and the earth connection :) .. But again I'm not that much into 3 phase electrics with phase displacement and all that.. I'm a qualified 1 phase electrician since school :)

  • Basically its 3 ac waveforms on the same wire, but each at a different time due to the construction of the generator at the utility company. Baaically,  this delivers more electricity than using only1 phase/waveform. Its better than dc sometimes because it can be easilly adjusted with transformers, and dc anyway is basically created from an electric generator. I think alot of home use is for 1 phase ac, some which gets converted to standard dc for like for radios and things.

  • @taztaz79 I made a comment above.

  • @trailkeeper Well, I meant "completely turned off to the house", by a switch in your own house, so that when grid power is on in your area, you will still be disconnected/turned off from the utilitiy grid.

  • great videos...im pretty new to this...i had no idea it was so simple...few questions...ok the can heater...isnt going to work at night straight off of solar obviously, would working at night off your wind turbine or battery to a ele heater more effective than a fire? ive been pondering a oil system off of a wood burning stove idea,running oil lines through the house... i live in alabama it doesnt get super cold here im going to be building a house in the future any thoughts....

  • Anyone know if the new, so called smart meters, can run backwards? I plan on setting up a system with grid ties.

  • hi i dont think they can. you have to buy whats call a net meter so ive heard

  • I am against the current system of power we have now, I feel that "adding power" back in does almost nothing to cure the carnivorous use of power we have here in the US, sure it helps, but we are comparing its significance to a person pissing in the ocean, almost no effect. We must change our ways of power consumption and the only way that will work is to get off the grid altogether, it just like a drug and its addicting as hell, break the hold having less means using less simple physics.

  • off grid is the only way to be, stop feeding into the monster grid!!! unplug and get away from it!!!

  • That thought is understandable but if you aren't on the grid you can't sell back power when you have more than you're using.

  • Great lil gismo, I'd like to do that one day. :)

  • Go to Otherpower,com website for wind turbine info if you want to build your own. The Hawt's work better than the vertical turbines if you have enough land to put one up. you need to get them up in the air to get decent power.

  • Interesting, ... what information do you have to say the HAWT's are better than VAWT's?

    I believe it's the surface area exposed to the wind and pitch of the blades that determines how much power can be had, not the axis of the turbine.

    I'm not trying to be difficult, but I would like to know where you got your information.

  • VAWT's are supreme to HAWT's unless you consider laying a VAWT horizontal in which case dependant upon the flow of air over a fixed surface would produce more torque at lower speeds a HAWT simply cause its horizontal then whos to say? typical multi bladed VAWTS such as Darius or Savonius will always beat out a traditional windmill type HAWT. The only HAWT systems I trust are Hornet blades on slantcore PMA's from Missouri Wind and Solar, Jeff has mastered that design and its the best HAWT by far!

  • thanks it very simple and works

  • If you turned off all your appliances, and let this charge by solar for a while, shouldn't you see your meter go backwards?

  • yes thats how it works in theory i dont know if the new meters will run backwards but still your adding power to your system

  • Good video. I'm working on a magnetic pulse engine that uses a huge motor winding and rare earth magnets. This looks like a better alternative than tying into my fuse box.

  • this would be a lot safer and if you lose power this shuts down stops feeding power back to the grid

  • Interesting. Look at a Lenz2 VAWT design. Keep building!

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