I marched 83 with the Sky Ryders, and remember being on tour with the Cadets for a number of shows. Never had I seen such intense rehearsals and beyond belief marching drills in my life. I remember how intense the whole corps was.......really impressive year for their first Championship.
The sound was only a part of this show. I was born into Drum Corps and marched from 1969-1981. The first time I saw Garfield in 83(Toledo Key to The Sea) my jaw dropped. There had never been anything like it. THAT show forever changed Drum Corps
I marched Avant Garde 83 and 84...tubas (contra). I saw this show, their retreat after winning, and the prelims live. As you can imagine, all shows were standing room only. Phenomenal. The sound blew your hair back. Most impressive is that they didn't lose volume as most corps would when they took it end zone to end zone. Older now, this still inspires me and brings me back to better time.
the "Z-pull"...sweeeeeet! The problem with today is that EVERY show tries to run and zip and cut and the music suffers! Some can do it and sound good but not all of them.
its such a shame that every corps video is bombarded with the arguments, g bugle vs Bb instruments, running vs easy drill, etc. and i'm always so dissapointed when i see this because a true DCI fan would love the sport simply because its here. i wasn't around to experience it, but i can safely say this was one of the best shows ever.i can also turn around and say the cadets had an amazing performance this year. its a shame all of you can't do the same. also, g bugles sound thin and too bright.
@jthrunz they may well be thin and too bright but they make drum corps sound like drum corps
I watched a whole generation of UK corps/marching bands throw away there b flats/e flat bugles/cavalry trumpets to try and emulate the great american DCI g sound then watched in utter amazement as america threw it all away
@jthrunz Every week in the UK b flat units lined up against g's in competition all over the UK and its the b flat guys that were jealous not the G's - the G's had the wall of sound - b flats got lost in the breeze.
This corps and show was the beginning of a new era that continues today...albeit nowadays a little out of control sometimes! I'll never forget this show, and the impact it had on me. Unbelievable in person! Amazing! And, everyone's right...the sound and power was much more impressive back in those days. The Cadet's West Side show was great too. And, nothing can top Madison's kick-ass old-school Malaguena!
@hailfire55 Here's a little '87 Cadets inside trivia. Klesch set out a system of fortes for us: F, FF, FFFF, and the reserved only for special times FFFFF. There were two points in the show that we played at 5 F's - at the slight horn raise in the standstill in the opener, and upon re-assembly of the company front near the end of the show before the reprise. And that 5 F was a sustained one for as long as Doug Rutherford the DM directed it! So yeah, raw power amidst the intricacy of that show.
I was there and saw this live. The beginning of a new era. the Cries of EAST! from the crowd. A great show and the beginning of GREAT things from the Cadets for years to come. "Unique special in every way, they are the only corps that comes with their own Curtain Call."--NY press.
I was there and saw this live. The beginning of a new era. the Cries of EAST! from the crowd. A great show and the beginning of GREAT things from the Cadets for years to come. "Unique special in every way, they are the only corps that comes with their own Curtain Call."--NY press.
Ron Nelson's Rocky Point Holiday!! A great piece of music in its' own right!! And on the field no less by none other than the Garfield Cadets!! What a magical opener!! This chart set the drum corps world on its ear!! Missing G bugles!!
@greendude1219 the z pull is special because its 1983. almost 30 years ago, back then, assymetrical drill was this big modern thing, and most corps were designing their drill symmetrically. the z pull has a kinda strange symmetry to it, and probably looked really stunning to an audience watching it for the very first time. check out older drum corp vids, and then watch a z pull, haha! :)
@greendude1219 Today it's "just a formation" but in 1983 it was pretty revolutionary. I was at this particular performance and it was a little like seeing the moonwalk for the first time.
@greendude1219 if you were lucky enough to have marched in '83 or were lucky enough to be in the stand for this performance, you wouldn't be making that comment. When I saw this show, I knew it was special, but I had no idea nearly 30 years later people are still talking about it....... but I am not surprised either. One of the few groundbreaking shows that altered forever the direction drum corp was going, '73 Vanguard was another
Wanna make Drum Corp better? 1. Drop the stupid sideline amps. Electrified sound has no place being on the field. 2. While G Bugles aren't better, they produced a wall of sound that Bb instruments just don't have. They were brighter and now Drum Corp sounds more like Marching Band. Otherwise, I like a lot of the drill moves but Corps have moved more to the sublime and less of the wall of sound.
This OTL was truly awesome and ground breaking, as well as hugely entertaining... but the rest of the show up to the re-entry is a snooze. Perfect example back then of what's wrong with drum corps today.
I marched just before the left the G Bugles, I was upset about the change. However, to say G bugles sound better really is false. To say they are harsh and Loud is true, which is also fun, but not necessarily better.
I also am not sure what some of you mean by a cut and paste approach in DCI.
@reichadams ... all of the corps seem to look and sound very similar now (that is, when they actually play more than 10 notes at a time). I, for one, am no longer enticed to drive several hundred miles to a show and spend a lot of money on stuff, like I used to. Hell, I don't even watch YouTube videos of current shows. (snore) ... If "The Cadets" were to reprise THIS show, note for note, you would sell out EVERY contest that they entered ... fo real, homeboy! :)
@MarineBugler ... I'm with you. I remember seeing THIS particular finals. WOW. You're right; now its just rediculous what has happened to the state of DC.
This is my all time favorite show! Cadets really impressed me in '82, then they topped it with this one! I saw this show three times that summer. I was emotionally spent after each one! I've been a Cadet fan ever since, though not so much a fan of some of "Hoppy's" ideas.
This was an amazing show- I saw it first a prelims in Lynn I believe. Shockingly good and different at the time. But I'm with Terrapin78 the synths, amps, narration, etc has ruined junior drum corps. All it is now is BOA of schock.
I marched 77-87 Cavaliers, and when we all saw the sudden rise of Garfield Cadets from the bottom...to this...it brought us hope. Before this drill, everyone was straight lines and angles. This year changed Drum Corps forever. Every time I hear Rocky Point Holiday '83, I get goosebumps. 2:43 to the end was GENIUS...Thank you Mr. Zingali, we owe you our love, praise, and thanks...RIP
East! East! East! East Coast finally wins a DCI Championship ( Although 27th might have a comment). Like other posts have mentioned, these were the greatest days of DCI.
Ii think the last time any new innovation was seen in DCI was the 2007 Cavaliers "Machine" show. it was visually exciting and musically challenging. the drill was phenomenal, no one has done another like it....not even the Cavie's themselves! DCI's becoming too conservative......we need the Bridgemen back!!!!
@oldschooldrumcorps Good Call OldSchool... DCI DOES NEED THE BRIDGEMEN BACK!!! DCI Needs that NYC Broadway 'We are here to entertain you' Influence AGAIN. I will say I get a lump in my throat when I hear Rocky Point man, and see the Z Pull... What an incredible time for this activity!
@Jamler3 Well, the Bridgemen are sort of kind of back this year... Carolina Crown. I'd say they're 50% of what you might consider a Bridgemen style show. I just saw DCI SE in Atlanta, and while I wasn't a big fan of the CC show, I did have them marked as best pre-show warmup/performance before the announcer welcomed them to the field. It was was pretty darn fun and entertaining from the time they came onto the field until 1 minute into their show, then it was more of the usual gimmicky stuff.
@sftriman Yeah... Saw Crown this year... Cool show, but not what I would call a true Bridgemen show. AND if your reference of 'Gimmicky' was towards the Bananas back in the day, I'd say it was more Entertaining than 'Gimmicky' Think back to '77 and Pagliacci with the Clown putting makeup to the backdrop of amazing powerful G Bugle thunder... Haven't seen much of what can evoke such emotion that is so relative to the program itself! I do love Crown... 2007s Triple Crown is my Favorite show!
@Jamler3 Yeah, not a Bridgemen show, u r right, but as close as we've seen in a while. About gimmicky, I mean, all the body moves, head waggles, jumping, leaping, arm gestures, wiggling legs, all that crap that makes the corps look like they r having spasms on the field. :-) I can see the use of such gimmicky body stuff as appropriate in the show with the music or the theme, but Crown (and other corps) just seem to layer it on thick for style points or something. Just marching and music for me!
IMHO these were the best of times for Drum corps as a whole...There were more corps competing at nationals at all levels, the activity was still reasonably affordable, and the best corps were not all college age kids...you still had a majority of young teens competing and doing outstanding work....this was the time when Drum lines strted moving off the fifty yard line, visuals were now curves instead of straight lines and angles, and of course the famous "Z Pull" as performed by the Cadets.
I think that the talk about this being the show that changed drum corp for one single reason ... it won. Not that people weren't trying asymmetrical drill or moving like this. It was since 1980 people were trying it. But this was the first time someone tried movement like this and proved that it can be so accepted by the activity that it can claim the crown jewel. Just my 2 cents, but respect your opinions.
I don't understand all the talk about this show being "the show that changed drum corps". Garfield '82 did pretty much the same opener with very similar drill. Why is that never given credit? Also, there were many corps doing asymmetrical drill prior to '83. I'm not knocking this show or year. This is a wonderful show. It's just that '82 Rocky Point was similar.
Can't say I watch ANY DCI videos that are after 2000. Yeah, the drill is frenetic and all "dancy", but the music just seems very sterile to me now. Well played, "sonorous" and "in tune", and all, but no moments where you go "Oh my f***ing GOD! Did you HEAR THAT?" , .. and that's AFTER you had pissed your pants! :)
The last bastion of G bugles is the military, where it all started anyway!
Drum Corps is always at it's best when ever innovation occurs. This was the year that changed the look and feel of a drill. I think this is probabaly the year a Drill became "visual design" . Perpertual motion, no mark time, moving in and out of forms, was all new. The only kick back to the "old school was the drum line drill - still pretty much on the fifty yard line, with the basses behind the snares for much of this performance. My how things have changed.
What was incredible about this year was the drastic difference in in drill design over the course of one year! 82 they take 4th I think and more mark time. In 83, non stop. The beginning of "scorched earth". From this point forward you were going to have to move and play if you were going to compete.
@Offbeat1000 I saw the '83 show and it was amazing. But nothing will ever top '84 in Atlanta for me. I played in the Sky Ryders in '85 and '86, then joined Garfield in '87. My first week there, learning the drill, I kept thinking, "This is crazy, we can't play while doing this!" But we did. Zingali wrote the drill while Sylvester was the lead instructor. Through repetition out the wazoo and tweaking, it all came together, but for sure, we were still fixing drill right up until finals!
Much of that is the fact that the G horns were poorly made and were basicaly student quality horns that required a lot of serious effort to produce anything decent from. Kanstul was too little, too late in making quality horns in G.
IMHO, much of it also is the fact manufacturers want to sell their product to HS bands- having the DCI units as salesmen also is a reason. "Phantom/BD/Cadets play our horns, you should buy them as well!"
I'm not a G fanatic, more I played the suckers & know 'em
and the crazy part of the early '80's - when I witnessed this in Miami that night I knew I was watching something special, but I had no idea how special, and no idea I would be watching it again 26 years later and still get goose bumps.
And the real crazy thing was they topped this show the next year in '84 with West Side Story!
@thogy Agreed. '83 was just flat out amazing. But to this day, '84 with West Side Story is unparalleled. Not only drill, but the musical book was just genius. I saw the show twice, semis on Fri. and finals on Sat., and if there is one show I'd like to see repeated some day, this is the one.
@sftriman oh I agree with you as well, 84 Garfield in my mind was the best show of all time, different so much than from their '83 show. But count in every factor that a D&B show is supposed to do, WSS in '84 is tops. And how they won by only a tenth of a point makes it almost unfathamable to think they could have lost, in which case it would have been #1 in another category, the best show that lost --- joining the ranks of '72 Blue Star, '78 Phantom and maybe even '87 Vanguard. .
@podbuster0 no, just what they used to call the OTL, (off the line) they end the show with the same manuever, and brought the house down, I was there in Miami that year, and will never forget Garfields show that year. This show put drum corps on its ear.
Drum Corps could sound like this again: just remove the running, cut & paste music approach, concept, story, reinventing of the wheel, electronics, Bb horns, and musical conservitism in order to make drum corps enjoyable & ENTERTAINING again. 86 BD and 95 Madison, still hard to beat as far as musical selections are concerned...
@terrapin78 This is the show which ushered in 80% of what you're complaining about - no one had EVER run around like this prior to 83 Garfield. These are also the guys who brought us Bb and most of what else you're complaining about - BTW it isn't all bad - the reason this was so good is that they had the single best staff in the history of drum corps - before or since - okay 1991 Star too. (same cats)
@terrapin78 : WIth Jim Prime arranging for Jr. corps again, you will begin to get some of what you want (solid/lyrical arrangements). I have no doubt that as the corps he works with gain success, others will follow suit. Obviously, some things are here to stay but I'm hopeful that "cut n paste" style is a fad that can fade away as arrangers are reminded that you can sound good AND score well.
that is so cool! my ex-band instructor (i'm now 38!) was in the pit. it's the most amazing song ever. p.s. we did this song in high school...like 3 years out of cadets for him!
Mr.Trumpy? Fred?He marched soprano for a few years but he wasn't our Drum major in 83 or any other year. The DMs were Tony Alleman and Michael Klesch.
This was the "Throw your babies" show. Anyone remember that? We went into the stands early. Coaxed a few fans into chanting "East East East" It got larger than we expected =) In my Wildest imagination I would never had expected the Magnitude of, nor the earie sensation when The Corps emerged onto the sidelines and the chant began.. Hoppy - "I knew we were in trouble when I felt My own self going over the edge". We went over the edge... that's for sure
Ohh so you started that East!! chant? Well thanks. As a lead soprano that year I appreciate it. That show to many of us was oddly enough a big blur. We knew we pulled it all together. Normally you can not take notice of the crowd, but that cheer of East!, East, East was something special.
back then, we had 2 or 3 VCRs hooked up everywhere we could place them near enough outlets. spent nearly hour for hour watching tapes, and working the corps. Dr Santo had a "3 year Plan" in 80, turned over to the 1 and only Hoppy. Some Rag Tag New orleanians, George Hopkins, Mike C who scored George Z and Marc S. In Sync with Jimmer and Donnie.... 83 was the Year the magic happened. Something had changed forever. There wasn't enough hours in a day to soak it all up. FHNSAB 75/10 in 09
Right - the pit was a relatively new thing in 1983. When pits started they seemed to me more appropriately sized than they are today. Now I see pits with 20 members (oops, "students"...sorry) plus they are amplified to boot.
I got to see them a week before finals at Cary, NC with SCV, Bridgemen, 27th Lancers, Geneseo Knights. All near the top of their respective games. The stands were separated from the field by the track, yet that last chord Garfield played was so loud it made the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. Haven't really had that feeling since.....
Man, listen carefully to the audience right at 2:59. It's amazing; you hear this kind of stir in the crowd when the middle horns are holding that whole note, and then they just gradually start yelling and cheering and jumping out of their seats. It's unbelievably exciting to just concentrate on the audience's reaction. That tells you all you really need to know about the relevance of that moment.
I didn't get to march corps, but we had some moments like that at big contests when I was in HS band. There was nothing else like it....thousands of people decide they're not going to wait for the end of the show to tell you how good you are.
It would be nice if drum and BUGLE corps moved back to G bugles; they were wicked loud instruments. I marched BAC in 2000 and 2001, and went into the stands in 2001 at Franklin Field in Philly - watched I think Crossmen? then Cavaliers. Xmen were still in G, Cavies on Bb, and the difference in sound was striking; not just the tone, but sheer volume. I really miss that hair-parting ability.
So it was harder to tune, big whoop. I'm glad I played on a G horn. :)
it was in '85- there were so many different time sig's in the show that year that they decided we might as well lead with the right...it was hard to get used to but it was one more thing that set us apart.
Beautiful Stuff! God those where the days! Hows this, I marched in the CYO Band that I believe George started out with, St.Anthony's Revere,Ma. back in 1970! We where only youngsters compared to Revere's legendary 27th Lancers. I wish someone had some photos. George was so young, an amazing talent. We also had another outstanding leader, Tony Nisco. We may have been a bunch of hard working kids, but George showed us how it was done! Revere lost an incredible talent,
No. It's more about musicianship. DCI and the corps finally realized that, as teachers of future music teachers, and other serious musicians, drum corps had to become more than just blasting brass. They actually had to teach kids to play musically, with dynamics, including p, pp and ppp.
I remember playing with dynamics in the early 80's.I think the blasting brass days sort of went out the window in the 70's. What's lost is any sort of uniqueness. everyone sounds pretty much the same.doing pretty much the same show.
Blasting brass did start to go out in the late 70's. I agree that today's drills are MORE about velocity than anything else. I also agree that many, many corps shows are interchangeable now...corps have gone away from an identifiable style and the show design has become rather generic and sterile. Lacking power, as Marine Bugler says. As an example...BD are outstanding this year with a brilliant show, superb brass and battery etc. But they leave me completely flat. No emotion at all.
BD is pretty clean this early in the season. Well, the 2nd week of July. Fantastic as always. But they do a lot of sitting. Literally. In chairs. But they move the chairs around nicely. They are like 6th on the list of time spent paying while moving. Which hopefully explains why they have scored so "clean". to date
@bobareebop My observation would be, there is just too much meshing. It's like mesh mesh mesh all the time. As if it's the anti-tick scoring system, the system where you score more points by doing "hard" things. So corps just mesh all the time, or create a block form and do a dosey-do in pairs, and it's all just silliness to me UNLESS it's done once (maybe twice?) in the show and it is interpretative of the music.
Dude. You apparently have not seen a *real* drum and BUGLE corps show. I have seen Crown this year, TWICE, and they don't hold a candle to the emotional and physical POWER of years past. Bring back the G-bugle and real musical arrangements for drum corps, then you would have something special. BTW - Phantom has a better show this year than Crown. IMHO.
I truly miss the raw power of drum corps. i love to drive around blasting drum corps with the windows down. Today's drum corps just on't do it anymore.
The first measure changed DCI forever. No other corp did anything like this. The Cadets are the masters of inovation. I love this show. And the whole time for the upper brass its runs after run. that takes a lot of skill.
I marched Devs that year ( snare ) and i gotta say, this is the first time I've seen the 83 garfield show. Spectacular. I wish i could have seen it live that year. It amazes me what kinda drill they were doing that year... had that been suggested to the BD drumline, they would have been shut down immediately. Pretty awesome to see what the kids are pulling off these days.
I marched 83 Garfield and I was wondering if you remembered the Rockford after DCI midwest that we did. You guys didn't march the show but you were in the stands. It was hilarious, There was this sea of BD jackets just sitting there and everyone around them were clapping .
Montreal may have been 1982- if so, please forgive my 26 years-ago recollections, but I'm sure they did do Rocky Point there- with the similar "Bullwinkle" opening set as well?
We did do a show in Montreal I think. My 26 year memory is pretty rusty too. Finals of 82 was in Montreal but I'm pretty sure we ventured up there in 83 also. It's funny that you recognized the Bullwinkle Set. I haven't thought of that in a lonnnng time.
Saw this show in Montreal that year- you knew something was coming- something new, something that was going to change the future of the activity, and this chart- just- rocks. Three words, yes, yes, and YES!
Prelims was not our best show. We just put in the Rocky Point ending at the end of the show maybe a week or so before finals. If you see the complete upper camera video, you'll see why we lost. pretty ugly
All thanks to the Cadets of past generations that inspired people like me to march Cadets in 2007....and this show is just another reason why I marched....
Ah yes. The introduction of the famous Zingali "Z" pull. At the time, this drill was considered somewhat of an oddity. But after Garfield repeated it's chmpionship in 84 with West Side Story, drum corps drill was changed forever.
And all this without the benefit of a computer to visualize the formations.
I know...it was amazing the simple drafting tools and ordinary objects he used to design a drill. He taught our (lesser known) corps the same years. I remember he tested the pull on us before giving it to Garfield; probably to work it out. He was getting extremely pissed off because we couldn't do it! Have to give Garfield alot of credit for it...it's a lot harder than it looks!
The Z pull was a bitch to do. Everyone is at a 2 pace interval flying backwards and people are getting stepped on and trying to dodge the person in front of them. It was a great move but I hated doing it.
Rocky point holiday is my fav
MrTjames94 4 hours ago
East
MrTjames94 4 hours ago
EAST EAST EAST EAST EAST
br0wn3gg 1 day ago
One of the greatest shows of alltime. Does anyone have a copy of this whole show? Maybe even just the audio?
91nittany 1 week ago
I marched 83 with the Sky Ryders, and remember being on tour with the Cadets for a number of shows. Never had I seen such intense rehearsals and beyond belief marching drills in my life. I remember how intense the whole corps was.......really impressive year for their first Championship.
billhigginsjr 2 months ago
The sound was only a part of this show. I was born into Drum Corps and marched from 1969-1981. The first time I saw Garfield in 83(Toledo Key to The Sea) my jaw dropped. There had never been anything like it. THAT show forever changed Drum Corps
gmen6981 2 months ago
I marched Avant Garde 83 and 84...tubas (contra). I saw this show, their retreat after winning, and the prelims live. As you can imagine, all shows were standing room only. Phenomenal. The sound blew your hair back. Most impressive is that they didn't lose volume as most corps would when they took it end zone to end zone. Older now, this still inspires me and brings me back to better time.
slcollins67 3 months ago
I have this on audio disc and blast it on days when I feel bumbed out and tired.
It really picks me up !!!! Best part besides the Zpull is when the entire corps ROTATES like a fan in this vid! AWESOME
NSidemarcher 4 months ago
28 years on and i still get goosebumps everytime i hear this
timshill 4 months ago in playlist Garfield Cadets
Ron Nelson's Rocky Point Holiday FTW!!!!!!
MetalcorexIsNotxDead 5 months ago
I was there! It was an unforgetable show!
tonesville1 5 months ago
the "Z-pull"...sweeeeeet! The problem with today is that EVERY show tries to run and zip and cut and the music suffers! Some can do it and sound good but not all of them.
rbahner1 5 months ago
the "Z-pull"...sweeeeeet!
rbahner1 5 months ago
My fiancé helped write the drill for this. I had no idea he was so talented. He's down there somewhere, too, on "staff". I'm so proud of him!!!
ISellTheTShirts 5 months ago
Z-Pull FTW.
goldsmith1210 6 months ago
its such a shame that every corps video is bombarded with the arguments, g bugle vs Bb instruments, running vs easy drill, etc. and i'm always so dissapointed when i see this because a true DCI fan would love the sport simply because its here. i wasn't around to experience it, but i can safely say this was one of the best shows ever.i can also turn around and say the cadets had an amazing performance this year. its a shame all of you can't do the same. also, g bugles sound thin and too bright.
jthrunz 6 months ago
@jthrunz they may well be thin and too bright but they make drum corps sound like drum corps
I watched a whole generation of UK corps/marching bands throw away there b flats/e flat bugles/cavalry trumpets to try and emulate the great american DCI g sound then watched in utter amazement as america threw it all away
bluemuleii 2 months ago
@jthrunz Every week in the UK b flat units lined up against g's in competition all over the UK and its the b flat guys that were jealous not the G's - the G's had the wall of sound - b flats got lost in the breeze.
bluemuleii 2 months ago
My dad id in there..
everything678 6 months ago
thus DCI of today(not now, but the good times) was born!!!!
euphzilla321 6 months ago
This corps and show was the beginning of a new era that continues today...albeit nowadays a little out of control sometimes! I'll never forget this show, and the impact it had on me. Unbelievable in person! Amazing! And, everyone's right...the sound and power was much more impressive back in those days. The Cadet's West Side show was great too. And, nothing can top Madison's kick-ass old-school Malaguena!
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idetermined 6 months ago
@hailfire55 Here's a little '87 Cadets inside trivia. Klesch set out a system of fortes for us: F, FF, FFFF, and the reserved only for special times FFFFF. There were two points in the show that we played at 5 F's - at the slight horn raise in the standstill in the opener, and upon re-assembly of the company front near the end of the show before the reprise. And that 5 F was a sustained one for as long as Doug Rutherford the DM directed it! So yeah, raw power amidst the intricacy of that show.
sftriman 7 months ago
Those were the days.
Wedgedonovan2 8 months ago
Z-PULL!!!!! 2:57!!!!!
MrJesszilla321 8 months ago
I was there and saw this live. The beginning of a new era. the Cries of EAST! from the crowd. A great show and the beginning of GREAT things from the Cadets for years to come. "Unique special in every way, they are the only corps that comes with their own Curtain Call."--NY press.
reblakeevans 8 months ago
I was there and saw this live. The beginning of a new era. the Cries of EAST! from the crowd. A great show and the beginning of GREAT things from the Cadets for years to come. "Unique special in every way, they are the only corps that comes with their own Curtain Call."--NY press.
reblakeevans 8 months ago
Ron Nelson's Rocky Point Holiday!! A great piece of music in its' own right!! And on the field no less by none other than the Garfield Cadets!! What a magical opener!! This chart set the drum corps world on its ear!! Missing G bugles!!
baridaddy 8 months ago
hot bass line
Skottybee67 8 months ago
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Skottybee67 8 months ago
Best opener EVER!
freud113 9 months ago
WHAT A MANUVAH!
19saxman91 10 months ago 9
hey what's so special about the z pull? i don't get it... it's just a formation.. and yes i am a marcher
greendude1219 11 months ago
@greendude1219 the z pull is special because its 1983. almost 30 years ago, back then, assymetrical drill was this big modern thing, and most corps were designing their drill symmetrically. the z pull has a kinda strange symmetry to it, and probably looked really stunning to an audience watching it for the very first time. check out older drum corp vids, and then watch a z pull, haha! :)
dexm85 11 months ago
@greendude1219 Today it's "just a formation" but in 1983 it was pretty revolutionary. I was at this particular performance and it was a little like seeing the moonwalk for the first time.
xylowave 11 months ago
@greendude1219 ... REVOLUTIONARY my friend. It was way ahead of its time.
1028posse 10 months ago in playlist CADETS
@greendude1219 if you were lucky enough to have marched in '83 or were lucky enough to be in the stand for this performance, you wouldn't be making that comment. When I saw this show, I knew it was special, but I had no idea nearly 30 years later people are still talking about it....... but I am not surprised either. One of the few groundbreaking shows that altered forever the direction drum corp was going, '73 Vanguard was another
thogy 9 months ago
Wanna make Drum Corp better? 1. Drop the stupid sideline amps. Electrified sound has no place being on the field. 2. While G Bugles aren't better, they produced a wall of sound that Bb instruments just don't have. They were brighter and now Drum Corp sounds more like Marching Band. Otherwise, I like a lot of the drill moves but Corps have moved more to the sublime and less of the wall of sound.
msuthon 1 year ago 2
@msuthon ... WELL SAID!!!
1028posse 10 months ago in playlist CADETS
This OTL was truly awesome and ground breaking, as well as hugely entertaining... but the rest of the show up to the re-entry is a snooze. Perfect example back then of what's wrong with drum corps today.
RocketRay 1 year ago
I marched just before the left the G Bugles, I was upset about the change. However, to say G bugles sound better really is false. To say they are harsh and Loud is true, which is also fun, but not necessarily better.
I also am not sure what some of you mean by a cut and paste approach in DCI.
reichadams 1 year ago
@reichadams ... all of the corps seem to look and sound very similar now (that is, when they actually play more than 10 notes at a time). I, for one, am no longer enticed to drive several hundred miles to a show and spend a lot of money on stuff, like I used to. Hell, I don't even watch YouTube videos of current shows. (snore) ... If "The Cadets" were to reprise THIS show, note for note, you would sell out EVERY contest that they entered ... fo real, homeboy! :)
Livin' in the past, baby!
MarineBugler 1 year ago
@MarineBugler ... I'm with you. I remember seeing THIS particular finals. WOW. You're right; now its just rediculous what has happened to the state of DC.
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WOW
lurker4eva 1 year ago
This is my all time favorite show! Cadets really impressed me in '82, then they topped it with this one! I saw this show three times that summer. I was emotionally spent after each one! I've been a Cadet fan ever since, though not so much a fan of some of "Hoppy's" ideas.
bob4116 1 year ago
This was an amazing show- I saw it first a prelims in Lynn I believe. Shockingly good and different at the time. But I'm with Terrapin78 the synths, amps, narration, etc has ruined junior drum corps. All it is now is BOA of schock.
pearlsnaredrummer77 1 year ago
i miss 80s dci, best music ever!!!
dexm85 1 year ago
I marched 77-87 Cavaliers, and when we all saw the sudden rise of Garfield Cadets from the bottom...to this...it brought us hope. Before this drill, everyone was straight lines and angles. This year changed Drum Corps forever. Every time I hear Rocky Point Holiday '83, I get goosebumps. 2:43 to the end was GENIUS...Thank you Mr. Zingali, we owe you our love, praise, and thanks...RIP
StGeoRUSH619 1 year ago 11
@demonheunet here, here...I loved listening to DC, unique sound all to its own
ajxp 1 year ago
This is the show that inspired me to work toward making the cut. MAGNIFICENT!
Adrienne567 1 year ago
my all time favourite corps show, pure drum corps at its best from start to finish
timshill 1 year ago
@demonheunet Bb horns CAN"T sound like this.
bobareebop 1 year ago
East! East! East! East Coast finally wins a DCI Championship ( Although 27th might have a comment). Like other posts have mentioned, these were the greatest days of DCI.
Offbeat1000 1 year ago
Ii think the last time any new innovation was seen in DCI was the 2007 Cavaliers "Machine" show. it was visually exciting and musically challenging. the drill was phenomenal, no one has done another like it....not even the Cavie's themselves! DCI's becoming too conservative......we need the Bridgemen back!!!!
oldschooldrumcorps 1 year ago
@oldschooldrumcorps Good Call OldSchool... DCI DOES NEED THE BRIDGEMEN BACK!!! DCI Needs that NYC Broadway 'We are here to entertain you' Influence AGAIN. I will say I get a lump in my throat when I hear Rocky Point man, and see the Z Pull... What an incredible time for this activity!
Jamler3 1 year ago
@Jamler3 Well, the Bridgemen are sort of kind of back this year... Carolina Crown. I'd say they're 50% of what you might consider a Bridgemen style show. I just saw DCI SE in Atlanta, and while I wasn't a big fan of the CC show, I did have them marked as best pre-show warmup/performance before the announcer welcomed them to the field. It was was pretty darn fun and entertaining from the time they came onto the field until 1 minute into their show, then it was more of the usual gimmicky stuff.
sftriman 7 months ago
@sftriman Yeah... Saw Crown this year... Cool show, but not what I would call a true Bridgemen show. AND if your reference of 'Gimmicky' was towards the Bananas back in the day, I'd say it was more Entertaining than 'Gimmicky' Think back to '77 and Pagliacci with the Clown putting makeup to the backdrop of amazing powerful G Bugle thunder... Haven't seen much of what can evoke such emotion that is so relative to the program itself! I do love Crown... 2007s Triple Crown is my Favorite show!
Jamler3 7 months ago
@Jamler3 Yeah, not a Bridgemen show, u r right, but as close as we've seen in a while. About gimmicky, I mean, all the body moves, head waggles, jumping, leaping, arm gestures, wiggling legs, all that crap that makes the corps look like they r having spasms on the field. :-) I can see the use of such gimmicky body stuff as appropriate in the show with the music or the theme, but Crown (and other corps) just seem to layer it on thick for style points or something. Just marching and music for me!
sftriman 7 months ago
@sftriman Hell yea! Shut the hell up and play.
goldcrayon2 7 months ago
IMHO these were the best of times for Drum corps as a whole...There were more corps competing at nationals at all levels, the activity was still reasonably affordable, and the best corps were not all college age kids...you still had a majority of young teens competing and doing outstanding work....this was the time when Drum lines strted moving off the fifty yard line, visuals were now curves instead of straight lines and angles, and of course the famous "Z Pull" as performed by the Cadets.
oldschooldrumcorps 1 year ago
Still one of the best drill moves ever... George was a genious !!!
27thsnare 1 year ago
I don't know why, but I find this drill suspenseful. The drama and evolution of it is exciting!
SlovenskyRaj 1 year ago
@jerbearwillis You betcha!
impreza5150 1 year ago
Hands down best drum corp show I ever saw! And, I saw many marching for 12 years.
HarveyEV 1 year ago
I think that the talk about this being the show that changed drum corp for one single reason ... it won. Not that people weren't trying asymmetrical drill or moving like this. It was since 1980 people were trying it. But this was the first time someone tried movement like this and proved that it can be so accepted by the activity that it can claim the crown jewel. Just my 2 cents, but respect your opinions.
tellinevery1 1 year ago
I don't understand all the talk about this show being "the show that changed drum corps". Garfield '82 did pretty much the same opener with very similar drill. Why is that never given credit? Also, there were many corps doing asymmetrical drill prior to '83. I'm not knocking this show or year. This is a wonderful show. It's just that '82 Rocky Point was similar.
smn76 1 year ago
concept, story??? There was concept and story forever in drum corps. You're cutting a bit too much out.
apoch003 1 year ago
The 'Z" pull is at 3:00 when the corps stretches out from 20 to 20! Cool!
NSidemarcher 1 year ago
where is the z-pull?
atomikfzr1 1 year ago
Busby Berkeley would have loved this!
SatchmoSings 2 years ago
I love the music from shows that sends shivers down your spine and tears to your eyes. God, Cadets freaking kick brass.
muziknurd384 2 years ago
Can't say I watch ANY DCI videos that are after 2000. Yeah, the drill is frenetic and all "dancy", but the music just seems very sterile to me now. Well played, "sonorous" and "in tune", and all, but no moments where you go "Oh my f***ing GOD! Did you HEAR THAT?" , .. and that's AFTER you had pissed your pants! :)
The last bastion of G bugles is the military, where it all started anyway!
MarineBugler 2 years ago
The power, the majesty.
Wedgedonovan2 2 years ago
Drum Corps is always at it's best when ever innovation occurs. This was the year that changed the look and feel of a drill. I think this is probabaly the year a Drill became "visual design" . Perpertual motion, no mark time, moving in and out of forms, was all new. The only kick back to the "old school was the drum line drill - still pretty much on the fifty yard line, with the basses behind the snares for much of this performance. My how things have changed.
oldschooldrumcorps 2 years ago
What was incredible about this year was the drastic difference in in drill design over the course of one year! 82 they take 4th I think and more mark time. In 83, non stop. The beginning of "scorched earth". From this point forward you were going to have to move and play if you were going to compete.
Offbeat1000 2 years ago
@Offbeat1000 I saw the '83 show and it was amazing. But nothing will ever top '84 in Atlanta for me. I played in the Sky Ryders in '85 and '86, then joined Garfield in '87. My first week there, learning the drill, I kept thinking, "This is crazy, we can't play while doing this!" But we did. Zingali wrote the drill while Sylvester was the lead instructor. Through repetition out the wazoo and tweaking, it all came together, but for sure, we were still fixing drill right up until finals!
sftriman 7 months ago
I am in favor of bringing back the G horns, but with three valves.
bobareebop 2 years ago
We should petition DCI to bring back the 2 valve G bugles only.
call them Sopranos NOT trumpets.
NSidemarcher 2 years ago
@NSidemarcher That's dumb... then drum corps would sound bad again.
utsuxrooster 2 years ago
you are a total idiot.
dspi2772 2 years ago
@dspi2772 no, I just am able to admit to myself, that tone quality, and sonority of sound is at a much higher quality today.
utsuxrooster 2 years ago
Much of that is the fact that the G horns were poorly made and were basicaly student quality horns that required a lot of serious effort to produce anything decent from. Kanstul was too little, too late in making quality horns in G.
IMHO, much of it also is the fact manufacturers want to sell their product to HS bands- having the DCI units as salesmen also is a reason. "Phantom/BD/Cadets play our horns, you should buy them as well!"
I'm not a G fanatic, more I played the suckers & know 'em
YEP321S 2 years ago
and the crazy part of the early '80's - when I witnessed this in Miami that night I knew I was watching something special, but I had no idea how special, and no idea I would be watching it again 26 years later and still get goose bumps.
And the real crazy thing was they topped this show the next year in '84 with West Side Story!
thogy 2 years ago
@thogy Agreed. '83 was just flat out amazing. But to this day, '84 with West Side Story is unparalleled. Not only drill, but the musical book was just genius. I saw the show twice, semis on Fri. and finals on Sat., and if there is one show I'd like to see repeated some day, this is the one.
sftriman 7 months ago
@sftriman oh I agree with you as well, 84 Garfield in my mind was the best show of all time, different so much than from their '83 show. But count in every factor that a D&B show is supposed to do, WSS in '84 is tops. And how they won by only a tenth of a point makes it almost unfathamable to think they could have lost, in which case it would have been #1 in another category, the best show that lost --- joining the ranks of '72 Blue Star, '78 Phantom and maybe even '87 Vanguard. .
thogy 7 months ago
17 seconds that changed DCI forever...the famous "Z" pull. Amazing footage.
AllanRodgers 2 years ago
This is awesome, but was that the entire show?
podbuster0 2 years ago
@podbuster0 no, just what they used to call the OTL, (off the line) they end the show with the same manuever, and brought the house down, I was there in Miami that year, and will never forget Garfields show that year. This show put drum corps on its ear.
thogy 2 years ago
Drum Corps could sound like this again: just remove the running, cut & paste music approach, concept, story, reinventing of the wheel, electronics, Bb horns, and musical conservitism in order to make drum corps enjoyable & ENTERTAINING again. 86 BD and 95 Madison, still hard to beat as far as musical selections are concerned...
terrapin78 2 years ago 17
@terrapin78 This is the show which ushered in 80% of what you're complaining about - no one had EVER run around like this prior to 83 Garfield. These are also the guys who brought us Bb and most of what else you're complaining about - BTW it isn't all bad - the reason this was so good is that they had the single best staff in the history of drum corps - before or since - okay 1991 Star too. (same cats)
RayFallon 1 year ago
@terrapin78 : WIth Jim Prime arranging for Jr. corps again, you will begin to get some of what you want (solid/lyrical arrangements). I have no doubt that as the corps he works with gain success, others will follow suit. Obviously, some things are here to stay but I'm hopeful that "cut n paste" style is a fad that can fade away as arrangers are reminded that you can sound good AND score well.
medeabrass1 1 year ago
best Dci performance.
Music , passion and Heart!
go 83 Garfield, miss U!!!!!
NSidemarcher 2 years ago
the drum major is my current band instructor
aljabar109 2 years ago
the drum major is my current band instructer!!!!!!!!!!!!! how fuckin crazy is that. Mr. Trumpy is the man!!!!!!
aljabar109 2 years ago
that is so cool! my ex-band instructor (i'm now 38!) was in the pit. it's the most amazing song ever. p.s. we did this song in high school...like 3 years out of cadets for him!
dsowers1971 2 years ago
Mr.Trumpy? Fred?He marched soprano for a few years but he wasn't our Drum major in 83 or any other year. The DMs were Tony Alleman and Michael Klesch.
charliebsn 2 years ago
Any chance someone could upload the rest of this classic show?
xylowave 2 years ago
This was the "Throw your babies" show. Anyone remember that? We went into the stands early. Coaxed a few fans into chanting "East East East" It got larger than we expected =) In my Wildest imagination I would never had expected the Magnitude of, nor the earie sensation when The Corps emerged onto the sidelines and the chant began.. Hoppy - "I knew we were in trouble when I felt My own self going over the edge". We went over the edge... that's for sure
radrockitpsyance 2 years ago
Ohh so you started that East!! chant? Well thanks. As a lead soprano that year I appreciate it. That show to many of us was oddly enough a big blur. We knew we pulled it all together. Normally you can not take notice of the crowd, but that cheer of East!, East, East was something special.
wsimmons12 2 years ago
back then, we had 2 or 3 VCRs hooked up everywhere we could place them near enough outlets. spent nearly hour for hour watching tapes, and working the corps. Dr Santo had a "3 year Plan" in 80, turned over to the 1 and only Hoppy. Some Rag Tag New orleanians, George Hopkins, Mike C who scored George Z and Marc S. In Sync with Jimmer and Donnie.... 83 was the Year the magic happened. Something had changed forever. There wasn't enough hours in a day to soak it all up. FHNSAB 75/10 in 09
radrockitpsyance 2 years ago
Right - the pit was a relatively new thing in 1983. When pits started they seemed to me more appropriately sized than they are today. Now I see pits with 20 members (oops, "students"...sorry) plus they are amplified to boot.
bobareebop 2 years ago
Ah, Rocky Point Holiday! Absolutely awesome! From the first note of the show to the last, this was definitely THE show of 1983!
rockymtnrob65 2 years ago
even 26yrs Later this show was EPIC,
REAL DCI,
love the Bugles tuned higher than these modern "Trumpets" crap.
Go CADETs
NSidemarcher 2 years ago
Notice the small but perfectly adequate pit. Who says you need 20 people in the pit?
bobareebop 2 years ago
Cadets are just amazing!
MusicalMello09 2 years ago
I got to see them a week before finals at Cary, NC with SCV, Bridgemen, 27th Lancers, Geneseo Knights. All near the top of their respective games. The stands were separated from the field by the track, yet that last chord Garfield played was so loud it made the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. Haven't really had that feeling since.....
dick7powell 2 years ago
Still get goosebumps watching this. REAL drum and BUGLE corps.
MarineBugler 2 years ago
Ye Olde Z-Pull
salfademas 2 years ago
About the best 3:22 of drum corps that you will ever see.
bobareebop 3 years ago
You don't have the rest of the show?
TBH, I'm not a Cadet fan, but I've always liked this show. As powerful as this section was it just got better all the way through.
knightflyte 3 years ago
Man, listen carefully to the audience right at 2:59. It's amazing; you hear this kind of stir in the crowd when the middle horns are holding that whole note, and then they just gradually start yelling and cheering and jumping out of their seats. It's unbelievably exciting to just concentrate on the audience's reaction. That tells you all you really need to know about the relevance of that moment.
longfade 3 years ago
Listen to the finals recording if you haven't before. Crowd totally drowns out the last 5 seconds of music!
tigerbandalumni 2 years ago
Yeah, I have the original LPs and you're right; it's incredible hearing the crown just go insane.
longfade 2 years ago
I didn't get to march corps, but we had some moments like that at big contests when I was in HS band. There was nothing else like it....thousands of people decide they're not going to wait for the end of the show to tell you how good you are.
tigerbandalumni 2 years ago
@longfade Would love to get a good clean copy of the show!
sftriman 7 months ago
@longfade Would love to get a nice clean copy of this show if you have one.
sftriman 7 months ago
Yes, we lead with the right!
GreatMooglyGoogly 3 years ago
We didn't lead with the right this year. That came in 85 I think.
charliebsn 3 years ago
Hehe... what an awesome show. :)
It would be nice if drum and BUGLE corps moved back to G bugles; they were wicked loud instruments. I marched BAC in 2000 and 2001, and went into the stands in 2001 at Franklin Field in Philly - watched I think Crossmen? then Cavaliers. Xmen were still in G, Cavies on Bb, and the difference in sound was striking; not just the tone, but sheer volume. I really miss that hair-parting ability.
So it was harder to tune, big whoop. I'm glad I played on a G horn. :)
BACcontrabass 3 years ago
I always get chills during the Z-pull. Amazing!
Ibanez3789 3 years ago
One of my favorite drum corps shows of all times.....
mickeyscv67 3 years ago 2
dont they lead with right?
5star555555555 3 years ago
They do now. I think they started around 85?
JDinMetroDC 3 years ago
it was in '85- there were so many different time sig's in the show that year that they decided we might as well lead with the right...it was hard to get used to but it was one more thing that set us apart.
HugeJohn51 3 years ago
I Cant even watch this without getting goosebumps. Even if my computer is muted the sound still comes through!
PCMB4LyFE 3 years ago
Beautiful Stuff! God those where the days! Hows this, I marched in the CYO Band that I believe George started out with, St.Anthony's Revere,Ma. back in 1970! We where only youngsters compared to Revere's legendary 27th Lancers. I wish someone had some photos. George was so young, an amazing talent. We also had another outstanding leader, Tony Nisco. We may have been a bunch of hard working kids, but George showed us how it was done! Revere lost an incredible talent,
We Miss You George Z...
SoSad284 3 years ago 2
I was just watching cadets encore piece of rocky point, and thought, hey they should definately march this song, and hey... they already did lol
RLeadtpt1 3 years ago
Why do you think we play this at the end of our warm-ups?
betaomega04 3 years ago
because it is awesome
RLeadtpt1 3 years ago
They marched it again in 2003 as their closer; 20th anniversary of their first championship, Rocky Point Holiday, and the Z-pull.
Ibanez3789 3 years ago
For the people that marched the Cadets in '83 how did Zingali make the drill?
Moog167 3 years ago
No. It's more about musicianship. DCI and the corps finally realized that, as teachers of future music teachers, and other serious musicians, drum corps had to become more than just blasting brass. They actually had to teach kids to play musically, with dynamics, including p, pp and ppp.
Zotuci 3 years ago
I remember playing with dynamics in the early 80's.I think the blasting brass days sort of went out the window in the 70's. What's lost is any sort of uniqueness. everyone sounds pretty much the same.doing pretty much the same show.
charliebsn 3 years ago
i agree....i'd rather go back to blasting brass...at least everyone had a distinctive sound
mynamisdan 3 years ago
Who told you that? One of your teachers? That's complete nonsense man.
longfade 3 years ago
Blasting brass did start to go out in the late 70's. I agree that today's drills are MORE about velocity than anything else. I also agree that many, many corps shows are interchangeable now...corps have gone away from an identifiable style and the show design has become rather generic and sterile. Lacking power, as Marine Bugler says. As an example...BD are outstanding this year with a brilliant show, superb brass and battery etc. But they leave me completely flat. No emotion at all.
bobareebop 2 years ago
BD is pretty clean this early in the season. Well, the 2nd week of July. Fantastic as always. But they do a lot of sitting. Literally. In chairs. But they move the chairs around nicely. They are like 6th on the list of time spent paying while moving. Which hopefully explains why they have scored so "clean". to date
radrockitpsyance 2 years ago
@bobareebop My observation would be, there is just too much meshing. It's like mesh mesh mesh all the time. As if it's the anti-tick scoring system, the system where you score more points by doing "hard" things. So corps just mesh all the time, or create a block form and do a dosey-do in pairs, and it's all just silliness to me UNLESS it's done once (maybe twice?) in the show and it is interpretative of the music.
sftriman 7 months ago
The Z-pull starts at 2:59. And agreed with Marinebugler--in my opinion, the shows today are more about velocity than anything else.
garyifny 3 years ago
Dude. You apparently have not seen a *real* drum and BUGLE corps show. I have seen Crown this year, TWICE, and they don't hold a candle to the emotional and physical POWER of years past. Bring back the G-bugle and real musical arrangements for drum corps, then you would have something special. BTW - Phantom has a better show this year than Crown. IMHO.
MarineBugler 3 years ago
I wish I had done that... Phantom does have beastly sound, but if what you say is true, then I want to see a REAL corps...
BananagunStudios 3 years ago
where's the "z-pull?"
bbbiggs 3 years ago
Start at 2:47
Moog167 3 years ago
I truly miss the raw power of drum corps. i love to drive around blasting drum corps with the windows down. Today's drum corps just on't do it anymore.
jbellsing 3 years ago
25 Year later and still gives me chills!! Unbelievable!!!
cbrentsmith 3 years ago
*chills down spine
lmeister3 3 years ago
The first measure changed DCI forever. No other corp did anything like this. The Cadets are the masters of inovation. I love this show. And the whole time for the upper brass its runs after run. that takes a lot of skill.
mellophone06 3 years ago
Yeah im kinda worried 4 da mellos and trumpets dis year at my school cuz were marchin this.
bigsousaguy3 3 years ago
I marched Devs that year ( snare ) and i gotta say, this is the first time I've seen the 83 garfield show. Spectacular. I wish i could have seen it live that year. It amazes me what kinda drill they were doing that year... had that been suggested to the BD drumline, they would have been shut down immediately. Pretty awesome to see what the kids are pulling off these days.
great vid
cajonezzz 3 years ago
Dude, 83 was still a badass year for BD...major props to you. If only we can cut back a bit on the narration...
For Holy Name shall always be.
betaomega04 3 years ago
Hey man,
I marched 83 Garfield and I was wondering if you remembered the Rockford after DCI midwest that we did. You guys didn't march the show but you were in the stands. It was hilarious, There was this sea of BD jackets just sitting there and everyone around them were clapping .
Ah the good old days of drum corps
charliebsn 3 years ago
Hey man...are you going to the reunion in Jersey?
betaomega04 3 years ago
Yep, I'm taking a red eye from Colorado tonight. should be interesting seeing everone after 25 years. ouch! I'm old.
charliebsn 3 years ago
The show that changed DCI forever and just with the first few measures of music.
mellophone06 3 years ago
If anyone has any original '83 videos on VHS or BETA please contact me!!! For sale or not for sale PLEASE contact me!
Thx
JP
coolguyNcali 3 years ago
Montreal may have been 1982- if so, please forgive my 26 years-ago recollections, but I'm sure they did do Rocky Point there- with the similar "Bullwinkle" opening set as well?
YEP321S 3 years ago
We did do a show in Montreal I think. My 26 year memory is pretty rusty too. Finals of 82 was in Montreal but I'm pretty sure we ventured up there in 83 also. It's funny that you recognized the Bullwinkle Set. I haven't thought of that in a lonnnng time.
charliebsn 3 years ago
Saw this show in Montreal that year- you knew something was coming- something new, something that was going to change the future of the activity, and this chart- just- rocks. Three words, yes, yes, and YES!
YEP321S 3 years ago
HIGH CAMERA RULES
TufffCop 4 years ago
What a great time in drum corps history - you can see the evolution happening right there.
longfade 4 years ago
I was just looking at the scores from 1983, Garfield only lost once out of 39 shows! Prelims. ~Outstanding~
1.Santa Clara Vanguard 91.900
2 Blue Devils 91.150
2 Garfield Cadets 91.150
TufffCop 4 years ago
Prelims was not our best show. We just put in the Rocky Point ending at the end of the show maybe a week or so before finals. If you see the complete upper camera video, you'll see why we lost. pretty ugly
charliebsn 3 years ago
All thanks to the Cadets of past generations that inspired people like me to march Cadets in 2007....and this show is just another reason why I marched....
Thank you for posting this video.
wilsonkm 4 years ago
iremember following this powerhouse on tour!!! We never got within a 5 point radius of this genius!!!
picassoluvU 4 years ago
man...I remember watching them in '83. I marched with geneseo knights and always ran to the stands after our show to watch them... truly magical
kjonla 4 years ago
Ha! Me too. One of the great benefits of marching in a non-finalist member corps. I spent all my off-show time in parking lots watching standstills.
longfade 3 years ago
@kjonla I marched Sky Ryders '85 and I'd always go into the stands to see Madison Scouts and, if they were around, which wasn't often, the Cadets.
sftriman 7 months ago
Ah yes. The introduction of the famous Zingali "Z" pull. At the time, this drill was considered somewhat of an oddity. But after Garfield repeated it's chmpionship in 84 with West Side Story, drum corps drill was changed forever.
And all this without the benefit of a computer to visualize the formations.
sluggger222 4 years ago
I know...it was amazing the simple drafting tools and ordinary objects he used to design a drill. He taught our (lesser known) corps the same years. I remember he tested the pull on us before giving it to Garfield; probably to work it out. He was getting extremely pissed off because we couldn't do it! Have to give Garfield alot of credit for it...it's a lot harder than it looks!
Bog95 4 years ago
The Z pull was a bitch to do. Everyone is at a 2 pace interval flying backwards and people are getting stepped on and trying to dodge the person in front of them. It was a great move but I hated doing it.
charliebsn 4 years ago