I have to disagree with the animal kingdom not seeking justice. The very fact that animals will protect each other is a sure sign that they seek justice. Plain and simple, you can not argue with that. Equality will never exist, therefore the demand for justice will always exist.
good video, but i strongly believe that (2:40) the days of Alexander's and Napoleon's and Hitler's are not over yet. Just look at Iran and north Korea. Even in Europe / USA new leaders of that type are gonna be born
Justice is related to self preservation in some degree. But then again, Justice must be balanced. Natural justice is a balance of give and take (the scales of Libra). For example, people who eat a lot tend to die earlier while people limiting calories die older. It is all very interesting. That is why I love being agnostic.
I suggest you google animal justice for other examples. Education and thought can progress us more forward, however, the true progress comes with the fact that we have the technology to feed ourselves without brutal competition.
There is a lot of evidence that justice and sense of morality exist in the animal and even insect kingdoms.
From one of the studies: A rat in a cage refuses to push a lever for food when it sees that another rat receives an electric shock as a result. A male Diana monkey who learned to insert a token into a slot to obtain food helps a female who can't get the hang of the trick, inserting the token for her and allowing her to eat the food reward.
The strong against the weak is a satanic way of thinking. We have to realize this, and follow the real God of the bible not what we have been doing. With the spirit of Christ war would not exist, for the fruits of the spirit are not like violent destructive humans of flesh, blood. We need Jesus in us to do good to our neighbor. Flesh, blood by its self will fail. This life is vanity. Heaven with Jesus with his spirit merged with ours is what will save us. Satanic lie humans can save them selves
Equality is an illusion. Oppression is still given to the gay furry, zoosexual. Should be able to do exactly what they want to do. The furry should b able to have animations the way they want to with out restriction, and the gay should have rights just like any of us. Zoosexual should be able to make love, and have that sexual love be given to without fear. That would be equality. Nudists should be able to freely walk, and go anywhere nude.
The world is like it is because humans our parents accepted a lie that evil was good.,and we have are self conscious about nudity ,and have an inflated ego a propensity to condemn humans .Make accusatory statements about humans to their hurt giving guilt about sex of whatever kind they can give guilt about. Humans are embarrassed about their nude body to this very day. WE have the concept of justice because this world is in a fallen state.The death you see is because of Satan, not God at all.
Well the wars are going to be obsolete... Alexander the Great Greek with Hitler....interesting reading of history, but a bit.....biased, towards today's great powers and empires.
MrBabs12345 well of course we beleive he isn't real. However at the time the Greeks were the worlds most ingenious people and advancing military. Perhaps this was what is meant, that all nations were inferior to greece. I do not beleive he was real or even exsisted and neither do you however we can't dissprove him, you have come up with duggestions to flaw him however as you have read in this comment I can twist it in to another meaning.
Firstly you are not talking about religion anymore and insist with the point about greeks being clever. It doesn't have anything to do with this debate so leave it out. You seem to have left the original point about agnotiscism and athiesm. So a final point. The burden of proof is on the one trying to convince others. Faith isnt good enough and to state a position as agnostic, although sensible, begs the question are you also agnostic to unicorns and fairies.
We have our own different definitions of JUSTICE and EQUALITY... but it doesn't mean that if there's no JUSTICE and EQUaLity, the more miserable we will be... we won't appreciate the positive things without the negative ones... as we will be unjust if what all we keep is justice...and won't be equal anymore if we don't have inequality (uniqueness)...
You make a valid point however, I beleive your interprutation of Zeus is thrown out of the water. The greeks never beleived that he destoryed non-beleivers otherwise all nations except greece would have been destroyed. The greeks were the masterminds of their times, all though they were ancient and had lack of knowledge of the forces of nature I highly doubt that they deemed Zeus killed all non-beleivers and if so why kill many greeks in the hellish sorms? The greeks wouldn't of been careless.
This is the first thing u just said - Zeus does accept non- believers and your proof, 'all nations except greece would have been destroyed'. ZEUS WASN'T REAL!!!!!!! so of course no other nations would have been destroyed. As for my interpretation, Look at what zeus did to prometheus when his orders were not obeyed, so i would only dare to imagine what he would do to someone who completely refused outright to even believe in him.
Greek mythological knowledge clearly shows that Zeus is a vengeful god who would never accept people who even hold the position of agnoticism. He would strike you down the second you decided that you needed evidence for belief and that lack of it means you stand an agnostic. and to the best of my knowledge you are alive and well. Appolo's chariot was the sun which we now know to be a massive ball of explosive gas. To not deny the existance of these gods is not agnotisism its ridiculous.
MrBabs12345 I accept your compliment however I haven't denied the exsistence of Zeus nor faries or any spaghettie monster or the JuJu that lives in the sea. I too cannot prove or disaproove the exsistence of these beings therefore we agnostics are still our own. You yourself and Athiest maybe, athiest against all supernatural beings seeing them as ridiculous where as agnostics do not perseeve them as real or false, for all I know Apollo is invisible and has upgraded his chariot in to a ferrari.
gumbi. we're not messed up. We (unlike theists and atheist's) have the ability to beleive what we wan't to beleive. To philosiphise our lives on the values we make. Unlike theists we won't condem you because your beleifs differ from ours. However unlike atheists we won't antagonize you or make fun of your beleifs. Atheism and Theism have boundries. Angnostics do not. Our mind is free to explore. We're not on a mission to erradicate religion nor do we wan't to convert people to our beleifs.
Well said grobo,although you and every other agnostic are also atheists,you dont believe in the the greek god zeus and you know he doesnt exist because his existence was built on natural occurancs that humans of the time did not understand. eg. Zeus's lightning bolts. 'Science' found the cause of lightning.Agnostics need to stand up for science and against religious hatred.Religion is dangerous and do not kid yourselves,if religion is allowed to expand you also will also be in the 'firing line'
@grobo11 ur right on certain aspects. but wut about for those who are agnostic theists such as myself? coz i'm both. yes both. please read about agnostic and theist separately then pair them together. ;) i don't condemn anyone regardless of religion or belief. however, i still concur with wut u have said our minds are free to explore but do not have to be agnostic to feel this way.
@grobo11 For theism, an agnostic theist believes the proposition that at least one deity exists is true, but per agnosticism, believes that the existence of deities is unknown or inherently unknowable. The agnostic theist may also or alternatively be agnostic regarding the properties of the god(s) they believe in. Since agnosticism does not forbid belief in a deity, it is compatible with most theistic positions.
the days of great king is not yet over our world despite our best efforts still needs one and ONE will rise as nedded as always the qustion is merly WHO...
I have watched three of your videos and you agnostic people are messed up. It seems like you keep bouncing back and forth between science and supernatural beings. Its like you cant make up your mind.
I really like these videos. This all started even back during Beethoven's time where people demanded justice. Right now we all seek justice, in the states it's better but not perfect, there's still corruption in the free market. Yea yea, label-pin me a socialist liberal all you want, but it is about justice. I think it's more than fair the CEO of GM got fired with a 23mil retirement pension.
I have to disagree with many points on this video. For one there will always be war, there was war 10,000 years ago and there is war today. There will always be war its just human nature to fight. Second there will always be tyrants and dictators, they have them in modern Russia, China, North Kora, Iran, rest of the middle East, South America and Cuba etc... There will never be a so called "Utopia" it just will never happen.
But there is less war then there was in past years. If you look at war from the crusades to today, it is only getting better. There are less powerful leaders today as there were a thousand years ago. Leaders no longer claim divine right. Considering that we have only been getting better and better over time, it only means that in the future, we will be even MORE equal then we were today. Eventually, there will be almost no war at all. Because everyone will be equal.
Now you are just flat out lying...Millions of people would die in a day during the crusades. In the 1700's, troops would line up to get shot. The death rate from war has decreased rapidly. Look up the statistics...
How am I flat out lying? There is nothing to lie about, every year there is a new war with millions dying all over the world. There will never be a world peace because there will always be hate and racism thats just a fact of life get used to it and stop being diffusional.
Every year, less and less people are dying. Even if there are millions dying, it is decreasing as time moves one, PERIOD. Unless you can disprove that (which you cannot, because it is a fact based on real statistics), my point remains completely valid.
Your point is bullshit! How the fuck do you know the exact number of people dying each year? You have no facts, no evidence no nothing! People die from war, crime, disease, the climate, age and other natural or unnatural things every second. So what by 2050 no will die they will just live forever because God says so is that what you believe? Your point is shit and you can't prove anything to save your pathetic little life now go die like everyone else is on this fucked up little planet.
The evidence is in statistics. I'm not talking about the climate, age, disease, or any of that shit. I'm speaking of war, and if you Google death-rate statistics due to war, you will find that the number are decreasing as far as it goes back.
Total equality is a bit impossible if i must say...unless it will come a time when everybody will be programmed, using technology ,to act in a certain manner which will promote absolute equality.
Maybe.. Like the speed of light. You can't ever reach it. Only get close to it. But technology can, in the future, wipe out the need for money, install justice, make everyone healthy, intelligent and good looking, maybe even give us new worlds to live in. That's good enough for me :)
yeah like the word perfect, no human can ever be perfect they can at least get close to it however... That's life i guess, we just have to adapt to it to get the upper hand or like what you said use technology to manipulate the given situation helping us create a close-to-perfect world.
I dissagree, we are not equal, thats comunism. even then there is no equals
"all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"
And with that in mind, Equallity is impossible, because people still are put into power, people still end up more fortunate.
Let me clarify, i have been on and off homeless for six years, and i finally worked my way into university, i now face problems with bank accounts and finance because of my background of being unfortunate,
I am taking a long-time view here. Life is certainly still very unfair and unequal, but think back 100, 200, 2000 years (not yesterday).
At that time if you had put up any resistance you might have been crucified or become a slave, caught by the Romans and taken to the Colosseum to fight for your life so that others could enjoy an afternoon of fun.
Your message is more logical and less human; Justice in America is becoming less and less just. The Postal Service is a secret experiment that has gone a muck. Control without restraints.
I have to disagree with the animal kingdom not seeking justice. The very fact that animals will protect each other is a sure sign that they seek justice. Plain and simple, you can not argue with that. Equality will never exist, therefore the demand for justice will always exist.
christopherse2 2 months ago
good video, but i strongly believe that (2:40) the days of Alexander's and Napoleon's and Hitler's are not over yet. Just look at Iran and north Korea. Even in Europe / USA new leaders of that type are gonna be born
caleron0 3 months ago
god, i hope this is true...
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fairoflife 9 months ago
Very thoughtful and optimistic. We will construct our paradise or, perhaps, our demise?
rickrocker 1 year ago
Justice is related to self preservation in some degree. But then again, Justice must be balanced. Natural justice is a balance of give and take (the scales of Libra). For example, people who eat a lot tend to die earlier while people limiting calories die older. It is all very interesting. That is why I love being agnostic.
techn0teen 1 year ago
Very Intelligent, very reasonible. Wanna have a beer? :D
VILeonidasV 1 year ago
I suggest you google animal justice for other examples. Education and thought can progress us more forward, however, the true progress comes with the fact that we have the technology to feed ourselves without brutal competition.
Luchik44 1 year ago
There is a lot of evidence that justice and sense of morality exist in the animal and even insect kingdoms.
From one of the studies: A rat in a cage refuses to push a lever for food when it sees that another rat receives an electric shock as a result. A male Diana monkey who learned to insert a token into a slot to obtain food helps a female who can't get the hang of the trick, inserting the token for her and allowing her to eat the food reward.
Bees will die for their hives, etc.
Luchik44 1 year ago
Who say's the future of humans will be good - we humans could go backwards and become more savage agian - evolution has no direction.
AmericaAmerica69 1 year ago
excellent video. 5 stars.
CloudsofBliss 1 year ago
The strong against the weak is a satanic way of thinking. We have to realize this, and follow the real God of the bible not what we have been doing. With the spirit of Christ war would not exist, for the fruits of the spirit are not like violent destructive humans of flesh, blood. We need Jesus in us to do good to our neighbor. Flesh, blood by its self will fail. This life is vanity. Heaven with Jesus with his spirit merged with ours is what will save us. Satanic lie humans can save them selves
kobidobidog 1 year ago
Equality is an illusion. Oppression is still given to the gay furry, zoosexual. Should be able to do exactly what they want to do. The furry should b able to have animations the way they want to with out restriction, and the gay should have rights just like any of us. Zoosexual should be able to make love, and have that sexual love be given to without fear. That would be equality. Nudists should be able to freely walk, and go anywhere nude.
kobidobidog 1 year ago
@kobidobidog What is a Zoosexual, and a "gay furry", or at least what is a "furry" since you separated the two later in your comment.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or start anything. I just honestly have no idea what those are.
ExxonPirate 1 year ago
The world is like it is because humans our parents accepted a lie that evil was good.,and we have are self conscious about nudity ,and have an inflated ego a propensity to condemn humans .Make accusatory statements about humans to their hurt giving guilt about sex of whatever kind they can give guilt about. Humans are embarrassed about their nude body to this very day. WE have the concept of justice because this world is in a fallen state.The death you see is because of Satan, not God at all.
kobidobidog 1 year ago
Love your videos so much!
Rhousk 2 years ago
Well the wars are going to be obsolete... Alexander the Great Greek with Hitler....interesting reading of history, but a bit.....biased, towards today's great powers and empires.
bagkoum 2 years ago
slavery is legal.
studentoflife01 2 years ago
Great well thought out video! I also take this veiw and its good to know someone else sees it that way too.
ddubb3000 2 years ago
I couldn't agree more. Justice is just another tool for power and self-preservation. Great video.
UNIT301092203 2 years ago
MrBabs12345 well of course we beleive he isn't real. However at the time the Greeks were the worlds most ingenious people and advancing military. Perhaps this was what is meant, that all nations were inferior to greece. I do not beleive he was real or even exsisted and neither do you however we can't dissprove him, you have come up with duggestions to flaw him however as you have read in this comment I can twist it in to another meaning.
grobo11 2 years ago
Firstly you are not talking about religion anymore and insist with the point about greeks being clever. It doesn't have anything to do with this debate so leave it out. You seem to have left the original point about agnotiscism and athiesm. So a final point. The burden of proof is on the one trying to convince others. Faith isnt good enough and to state a position as agnostic, although sensible, begs the question are you also agnostic to unicorns and fairies.
MrBabs12345 2 years ago
We have our own different definitions of JUSTICE and EQUALITY... but it doesn't mean that if there's no JUSTICE and EQUaLity, the more miserable we will be... we won't appreciate the positive things without the negative ones... as we will be unjust if what all we keep is justice...and won't be equal anymore if we don't have inequality (uniqueness)...
chiechiecheist 2 years ago
You make a valid point however, I beleive your interprutation of Zeus is thrown out of the water. The greeks never beleived that he destoryed non-beleivers otherwise all nations except greece would have been destroyed. The greeks were the masterminds of their times, all though they were ancient and had lack of knowledge of the forces of nature I highly doubt that they deemed Zeus killed all non-beleivers and if so why kill many greeks in the hellish sorms? The greeks wouldn't of been careless.
grobo11 2 years ago
This is the first thing u just said - Zeus does accept non- believers and your proof, 'all nations except greece would have been destroyed'. ZEUS WASN'T REAL!!!!!!! so of course no other nations would have been destroyed. As for my interpretation, Look at what zeus did to prometheus when his orders were not obeyed, so i would only dare to imagine what he would do to someone who completely refused outright to even believe in him.
MrBabs12345 2 years ago
(the comment i just made was directed at ' grobo11')
MrBabs12345 2 years ago
Greek mythological knowledge clearly shows that Zeus is a vengeful god who would never accept people who even hold the position of agnoticism. He would strike you down the second you decided that you needed evidence for belief and that lack of it means you stand an agnostic. and to the best of my knowledge you are alive and well. Appolo's chariot was the sun which we now know to be a massive ball of explosive gas. To not deny the existance of these gods is not agnotisism its ridiculous.
MrBabs12345 2 years ago
MrBabs12345 I accept your compliment however I haven't denied the exsistence of Zeus nor faries or any spaghettie monster or the JuJu that lives in the sea. I too cannot prove or disaproove the exsistence of these beings therefore we agnostics are still our own. You yourself and Athiest maybe, athiest against all supernatural beings seeing them as ridiculous where as agnostics do not perseeve them as real or false, for all I know Apollo is invisible and has upgraded his chariot in to a ferrari.
grobo11 2 years ago
gumbi. we're not messed up. We (unlike theists and atheist's) have the ability to beleive what we wan't to beleive. To philosiphise our lives on the values we make. Unlike theists we won't condem you because your beleifs differ from ours. However unlike atheists we won't antagonize you or make fun of your beleifs. Atheism and Theism have boundries. Angnostics do not. Our mind is free to explore. We're not on a mission to erradicate religion nor do we wan't to convert people to our beleifs.
grobo11 2 years ago 4
i agree, though i wouldnt say all theists and atheists are like that although those they allow to speak for them often are, great comment though
amness1a 2 years ago
Well said grobo,although you and every other agnostic are also atheists,you dont believe in the the greek god zeus and you know he doesnt exist because his existence was built on natural occurancs that humans of the time did not understand. eg. Zeus's lightning bolts. 'Science' found the cause of lightning.Agnostics need to stand up for science and against religious hatred.Religion is dangerous and do not kid yourselves,if religion is allowed to expand you also will also be in the 'firing line'
MrBabs12345 2 years ago
@grobo11 ur right on certain aspects. but wut about for those who are agnostic theists such as myself? coz i'm both. yes both. please read about agnostic and theist separately then pair them together. ;) i don't condemn anyone regardless of religion or belief. however, i still concur with wut u have said our minds are free to explore but do not have to be agnostic to feel this way.
210Lotus 1 year ago
@grobo11 For theism, an agnostic theist believes the proposition that at least one deity exists is true, but per agnosticism, believes that the existence of deities is unknown or inherently unknowable. The agnostic theist may also or alternatively be agnostic regarding the properties of the god(s) they believe in. Since agnosticism does not forbid belief in a deity, it is compatible with most theistic positions.
210Lotus 1 year ago
the days of great king is not yet over our world despite our best efforts still needs one and ONE will rise as nedded as always the qustion is merly WHO...
hereticjoeyjoey 2 years ago
I have watched three of your videos and you agnostic people are messed up. It seems like you keep bouncing back and forth between science and supernatural beings. Its like you cant make up your mind.
gumbi8989 2 years ago
Does not make us messed up. It makes us logical thinkers :P
Really we bounce back and forth between nothing. We just use simple logic and admit that we simply do not have all the answers.
PerfectionZinc 2 years ago 3
You remind me of a philosophical thunderf00t.
rohmontgomery 2 years ago
I really like these videos. This all started even back during Beethoven's time where people demanded justice. Right now we all seek justice, in the states it's better but not perfect, there's still corruption in the free market. Yea yea, label-pin me a socialist liberal all you want, but it is about justice. I think it's more than fair the CEO of GM got fired with a 23mil retirement pension.
maestroanth 2 years ago
you are a fukin genius.
kotalian2 2 years ago 12
I agree with you, so that makes two of us..:)
MyWorldView 2 years ago
maybe in terms of short periods, like in the last 100 years. But from a broad perspective, it is decreasing, no question. Think 1000 B.C till now.
Livelife417 3 years ago
you guys are not understanding what he is saying. Watch the video again, and listen to every word.
Livelife417 3 years ago
I have to disagree with many points on this video. For one there will always be war, there was war 10,000 years ago and there is war today. There will always be war its just human nature to fight. Second there will always be tyrants and dictators, they have them in modern Russia, China, North Kora, Iran, rest of the middle East, South America and Cuba etc... There will never be a so called "Utopia" it just will never happen.
UnforgivingDemon 3 years ago
I also want to point out there will always be greed, corruption and crime as well.
UnforgivingDemon 3 years ago
But there is less war then there was in past years. If you look at war from the crusades to today, it is only getting better. There are less powerful leaders today as there were a thousand years ago. Leaders no longer claim divine right. Considering that we have only been getting better and better over time, it only means that in the future, we will be even MORE equal then we were today. Eventually, there will be almost no war at all. Because everyone will be equal.
Livelife417 3 years ago
Uh no there is the same amount of war as there has always been. World peace will never happen.
UnforgivingDemon 3 years ago
Now you are just flat out lying...Millions of people would die in a day during the crusades. In the 1700's, troops would line up to get shot. The death rate from war has decreased rapidly. Look up the statistics...
Livelife417 3 years ago
How am I flat out lying? There is nothing to lie about, every year there is a new war with millions dying all over the world. There will never be a world peace because there will always be hate and racism thats just a fact of life get used to it and stop being diffusional.
UnforgivingDemon 3 years ago
Every year, less and less people are dying. Even if there are millions dying, it is decreasing as time moves one, PERIOD. Unless you can disprove that (which you cannot, because it is a fact based on real statistics), my point remains completely valid.
Livelife417 3 years ago
Your point is bullshit! How the fuck do you know the exact number of people dying each year? You have no facts, no evidence no nothing! People die from war, crime, disease, the climate, age and other natural or unnatural things every second. So what by 2050 no will die they will just live forever because God says so is that what you believe? Your point is shit and you can't prove anything to save your pathetic little life now go die like everyone else is on this fucked up little planet.
UnforgivingDemon 3 years ago
The evidence is in statistics. I'm not talking about the climate, age, disease, or any of that shit. I'm speaking of war, and if you Google death-rate statistics due to war, you will find that the number are decreasing as far as it goes back.
Livelife417 3 years ago
I looked at many sites some said they was a decrease and others said there was an increase depending on the source.
UnforgivingDemon 3 years ago
anarchistic society??
CMAZZONI 3 years ago
Excellent video.
natashanaa 3 years ago
You have some great videos. Too bad I'm not the optimist that you are.
Jasen777 3 years ago
Total equality is a bit impossible if i must say...unless it will come a time when everybody will be programmed, using technology ,to act in a certain manner which will promote absolute equality.
06301113 3 years ago
Maybe.. Like the speed of light. You can't ever reach it. Only get close to it. But technology can, in the future, wipe out the need for money, install justice, make everyone healthy, intelligent and good looking, maybe even give us new worlds to live in. That's good enough for me :)
MyWorldView 3 years ago
yeah like the word perfect, no human can ever be perfect they can at least get close to it however... That's life i guess, we just have to adapt to it to get the upper hand or like what you said use technology to manipulate the given situation helping us create a close-to-perfect world.
06301113 3 years ago
I dissagree, we are not equal, thats comunism. even then there is no equals
"all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"
And with that in mind, Equallity is impossible, because people still are put into power, people still end up more fortunate.
Let me clarify, i have been on and off homeless for six years, and i finally worked my way into university, i now face problems with bank accounts and finance because of my background of being unfortunate,
Equallity is impossible
greefermike 3 years ago 4
I am taking a long-time view here. Life is certainly still very unfair and unequal, but think back 100, 200, 2000 years (not yesterday).
At that time if you had put up any resistance you might have been crucified or become a slave, caught by the Romans and taken to the Colosseum to fight for your life so that others could enjoy an afternoon of fun.
Or even back to the 1st World War.
We're going the right way..
MyWorldView 3 years ago 6
A very fair point. ^_^
greefermike 3 years ago
I agree there will never be a utopia.
UnforgivingDemon 3 years ago
Your message is more logical and less human; Justice in America is becoming less and less just. The Postal Service is a secret experiment that has gone a muck. Control without restraints.
libraStrong 4 years ago
great!!!
scgoquj86 4 years ago