Stockhausen: "Zyklus"

[MightyMorphinMyself]

@khagarbalugrak damn dude go drown in a pool full of diarrhea

[KhagarBalugrak]

Music like this consists of one ugly, unrelated thing followed abruptly by yet another ugly, unrelated thing, ad nauseam. I'm so glad Stockhausen is dead.

[blackshadowbass]

Is this the precursor to Sunn0)))?

[alezander666]

OH,YEAH,I ENJOYED IT,LIKE I ENJOY HEARING MY REFRIGERATOR MAKE NOISE,OR OUTSIDE CAR HORNS,MUSIC,NO,SOUNDS YES,WHO LISTENS TO THIS DRECK,AND DEAR KARLHEINZ SAID"""9/11,WAS THE MOST ARTISTIC EVENT OF BEAUTY OF OUR TIME",TOO BAD HE WASN'T SAYING THIS HERE IN AMERICA,SOMEBODY''D,SMASH HIS TEETH IN

[gnargnargnar]

@alezander666 He didn't say that 9/11 was beautiful, or that he approved of it, or that it was morally permissable. I think he was more commenting that when you look at the event as a sort of experiential performance art that doesn't just engage others against their will, but actually alters the lives of every single person in the country, it's utterly mind-blowing. But then again, most people would consider "an act of violence" a more appropriate description of the event than "art."

[kbaronshaffer]

obviously, stockhausen isn't for everyone, and that's fine...as for me...i love this. very interesting, provocative piece.

-keith

[tickettyboo1]

Stockhausen certainly had a keen sense of humour as he was clearly taking the pi## here.

[raymangold22]

I wouldn't necessarily call this genius, or even music (music demands many octaves, LOTS of polyphony and an overall structure -- randomization is the opposite of symmetry which is the opposite of music), but simply experimentation of sound. I'm trying to be positive, but, this stuff is EXTREMELY hard to enjoy as music. It would work well for ambiance in some horror movie or something.

Quite honestly, I could achieve the same by hitting random pots and xylophones.

[monkeyz777]

@raymangold22 the definition of music differs between everyone. try to think of this more as audible art, very experimental, sporadic art.

so i'm not entirely sure this is meant to be played on the way to work either. :P

[KizaSoze25]

@raymangold22 but isn't this a genre of music (noise music)?

[raymangold22]

@KizaSoze25 But music in itself is the opposite of random, white/pink noise. If you manipulate sound in such a way that there isn't a structure, then you're producing just that... *noise*. Not music.

[KizaSoze25]

@raymangold22 Ok well what determines noise and what determines structure? I'm a huge jazz fan, and even though jazz is freedom within a structure, there is free jazz out there as well as some fusion that lacks structure as well. Miles Davis had some music like that. Is that considered "noise" as well?

[raymangold22]

@KizaSoze25 Please re-read what I wrote, when I stated noise, I actually meant noise; as in the waveforms being distorted such as WHITE or PINK noise.

Jazz still incorporates a structure, you have octaves, melodies, pitch, and smooth waveforms; the melody just incorporates some dissonance, but you can still gather it's a melody. Sometimes with harmonics that aren't tuned; but that was the whole concept of mean-tone temperament, unlike equal temperament.

[jazzmunky]

Hmm it's like crackers snapping, irregular dripping of taps, teapots, or the movement of thoughts in my head.

[darthjoey13]

It would be interesting to see the sheet music. Do you have it?

[SiegmundHildebrand]

This is the most dificult music i ever heard.

[kharnvelzyghur]

My fart sounds better than this. It even smells better... at least it stinks. This has no scent of smell.

[AyumuVanguard]

@ KanzerSkud and @TheTrancemaster90 And don't forget minimalism, which is fascinating by being repititive even though repitition is typically seen as a bad thing. And more @TheTranceMaster OK I'm really not going to take us off topic on the "only human beings can appreciate a repetitive sound" thing but "be proud of our being human" doesn't seem like something I want to do. Am I even human?

[abstractcollector2]

Interesting description.

[leandrobern]

Remember me Moonchild of King Crimson.

[MrGeorgiebest7]

Superlativo e Magico.....

[romandogbird]

this is too random to be classified as rhythm. and what was all that about waveform, timbre and loops accelerated to pitch? was that for another track, cause this sounds like any ordinary percussion recording

[XylussN]

@romandogbird There is a difference between rhythm and something that grooves and what not. Rhythm is note values.

[romandogbird]

@XylussN this piece seems rather abstract when it comes to tempo (or rather the lack of one) and build up. Granted, it's not pop music, but what can you show me to make me see that this is not random percussive expressions? Is it the bursts of notes in relation to each others that make the rhythm here? How can you prove this is rhythm?

As a intercessor of modern electronic dance music, I am more accustomed to the idea of rhythm being repeated percussive patterns over a constant tempo.

[cnmaster01]

@romandogbird your definition of rhythm is actually a groove rhythm is a succession of beats, repetitive or otherwise. out of either habit, laziness, personal preference, or a combination thereof (which of the four will be subject to centuries of debate) the groove and/or pulse became the norm. rhythm is just sounds overtime. Schumann's carnaval is in 3/4 time but would you guess? hope this helps

[KanzerSkud]

@cnmaster01 what is the exact definition of GROOVE. It is a kind of foreign concept to me (i am not a native speaker of english)

[cnmaster01]

@KanzerSkud roman's definition of rhythm does nicely

[KanzerSkud]

@romandogbird pop music is so boring because the rhythm is repetitive.....no creativity in rhythm in rock,jazz,soul,funk,house and other decadent mediocrity....

rhythm is essence of music and real rhythms are complex, even african traditional music can have very complex rhythms.....

[TheTrancemaster90]

@KanzerSkud I disagree, music can be repetitive and convey you deep feelings. To me music isn't basically virtuosism, it's first of all menthal effect: Stokhausen was afraid from repetition and he said that a repetitive music isn't a positive thing because it seems a regredition to the primitive conception of music (tribal). His view of music was scientific, was progressive. But only human beings can appreciate a repetitive sound so making repetitive music means be proud of our being human.

[KanzerSkud]

@TheTrancemaster90 i see your point and i understand it. Sometimes repetition can be fascinating. I was more criticizing the easy pop music that is repetitive by absence of creative.....

Glenn Branca symphonies are repetive but the rhythm slide, imperceptibly

[eccehomo000]

Beautiful! 

[KanzerSkud]

Laibach made a version named ZYKLUS B

[showroommeryll]

il est très beau là....

[fiddlercrab3]

Thank you for this interesting and informative video. Strange, I hear a bit of Frank Zappa from 3:56 to about 4:05 or so. Not to say either used the other's stuff, only that it sounded like something Frank might enjoy.

[zenocomplex]

Well, Frank Zappa considered Stockhausen a strong influence on his own music. So that is actually a very valid observation. :)

[goodch]

Do you know where the performer started on the score and which way they are playing it?

[permacultureli]

it is funny how works like these start sounding conventional and familiar after some decades...film scores and music must have helped it become mainstream sound....widely understood and accepted...though not consciously..

[OscarRocabert]

@permacultureli I agree.

[cnmaster01]

@permacultureli I play classical music at the store i work at, and i've noticed it too. People are far more likely to question or raise an eyebrow and Bach Copland and Beethoven, but the closest i got to a negative reaction from Stravinsky Stockhausen and the Second Viennese School was "what're you watching?"

[permacultureli]

@cnmaster01 haha...!...that's cute...you should answer "the twilight zone dude"!.

I met Stockhausen in '84, in Ann Arbor, after the premiere of a wonderful Overture for Symphonic Band..."Lucier's Dance"...from "Saturday from Light"...his son Markus played trumpet that day...was introduced to him as well...he was quite a brilliant player.

[KanzerSkud]

@permacultureli and at the same time film scores destroy a pure perception of the sound for itself....too many images come with sound

[permacultureli]

@KanzerSkud well...only the musically educated will generally focus on art music by itself...

[permacultureli]

@KanzerSkud .....I live out in nature...and let me tell you...the primary reality is natural sounds...which are attached to natural phenomena. Our human civilization is in almost all matters a deviation from that...artificial...in all its varieties...whether it be live sound, recorded, or attached to other arts.

[mahler151]

Stockhausen is so amazing.

[NymphetamineOrchid]

Stockhausen's music is brain candy for the musician!

[guillz]

@NymphetamineOrchid I agree with you.

[lemoneater88]

durrr rrrr stockhausen insignificant.  me no like use brain. budurrduhhhh

[eduardopola1]

Very interesting. When i was teenager i use to listen to German bands like Einstuerzende Neubauten or Sprung aus den Wolken, their use of different musical structures attract me deeply. I thought they were original but now i can hear that Stockhausen is a direct influence for those musicians. Great! Thank you for sharing this NewMusicXX.

[jorenbourn]

Can anyone explain what all those drawings mean? LOL I don't even think he understood them, himself

[Nimm2DuschDas]

It makes me ... agressive. Really.

[watcherusdt]

are you sure that this piece was his first graphics score?

[NewMusicXX]

I found that information in "Stockhausen, A Biography" by Michael Kurtz, page 96.

[jasmincar]

nice

[annedegro]

Thanks! I love your video's that all provide so much extra information for the listeners without disturbing the listening.

[orchestra92]

the percussionist was Caskel?

[NewMusicXX]

The percussionist is Mircea Ardeleanu

[raduneo]

@NewMusicXX Go Romania! (he's Romanian :) ). Great job on this piece, Mircea!

[terrestial63]

thanks!!!!!

[scriabinwasmydad]

Esto es bellisimo! Es verdad, solamente escuchando el producto final es una maravilla!

[GreggaryPeccary]

Merci, Maitre Max! Although I didn't understand a word about the wave forms and whatnot. That really goes over my head

[NewMusicXX]

Stockhausen seems to have drawn conceptual inspiration from the math and science aspects of sound. Fortunately for us, we can simply enjoy the finished product!