StarCraft 2 - PuMa [T] vs JYP [P] G2 - Commentary

[thiemo002]

111 likes.... and a 111 BO in the game....WTF

[Sandmanspidy]

JYP JOINS EG!

[LordGilgamesh01]

Marines 45/55 hp 6 damage at .8 ws move 2.25 use stim 2x speed but lose 10 hp

Zerglings 35 hp 5 damage at .6 ws move 2.35 before upgrade adrenal and metaboost. They speed up to 2.75 speed, and attack at .4 ws with ups without any penalty of hp loss.

Fungal Growth deals 30 damage and completely stuns tageted units, marines die in two hits. Not one but several. Heavily damaged marines die in 3 hits USUALLY after fungal growth to zerglings with weapons upgrades. Zerg can easily win against rines.

[Lazris59]

@LordGilgamesh01 See, this is all on paper. just like the roach is good on paper. When used by high level people in real games, the melee range of the zergling and the 3 or 4 range of the roach make them terrible, with micro a stalker can kill roaches, blink makes it worse and marauders can do the same. Zerglings get kited w/o meta boost and even then if marines wedge themselves between objects so only 1 or 2 lings can get to them, they will probably lose. You also have meci heals, good upgrades

[Lazris59]

@LordGilgamesh01 But as a zerg player, if you feel your "op" and terran "up" and i feel the oppisite as a terran player why am i to argue? It's alright if all the other races gets nerfed and the terran don't. Wonder why it's always terran winning tourneys? I won't argue, it's my fav race. I just see some units and ways the race works that I feel is wrong since zerg have worse versions. But belive what you will.

[LordGilgamesh01]

In fact Lazris59, 2 lings costs the same as one marine, and if they kill that one marine, they are more op than the marine is then. That actually is the numerical fact, not some opinion like you have. If you are gonna argue with someone, maybe you should check your facts. Just saying.

[Ancestor1990]

"Vikings, are they going to land down, just for the heck of it?!" lmao rofl lol EPIC commentary line there Force =)) GG ! I just love watching your commentaries =))

[jaysbrain]

good cast in all honesty

[AntsinMehPants]

"I'm force I talk about things like an early second depo for 2 minutes" after a while it reallyyyyyyy gets on your nerves

[Lazris59]

man that PDD at the end really fucked the protoss over. Also, the protoss was on 2 base to puma's 3. But marauders are pretty op, so are marines. Korean MMM is just so badass! Love it!

[LordGilgamesh01]

@Lazris59 Even though mmm is cool, saying marines are op is like saying zerglings are op.

[Lazris59]

@LordGilgamesh01 How is that the same? one is ranged, has a teir 1.5 upgrade, can be healed, can kite and has another upgrade that gives them +10 health. For a total of 55 hp. They also shoot really fucking fast. A zergling is melee, has a speed upgrade that can work if marines don't wedge themself between objects, a teir 3 attack speed upgrade.. they also have 35 health and a marine can kite them pretty hard. For a 50 mineral unit the marine is much better then a zergling.

[LordGilgamesh01]

@Lazris59 I never said they were the same. I said that saying marines are op is equivalent in theory to saying that zerglings are op. They are what they are. And if you have ever played the game, you would realize that one marine costs more than two lings, and two lings kills one marine. Lings attack faster, marines only attack faster with stim, which deals them 10 damage, they move slower and only with stim have even near the same movement speed as lings. NEVER SAID A RINE IS THE SAME AS A LING

[Lazris59]

@LordGilgamesh01 Okif your not saying they are the same then how can you say saying a zergling, that is NOT the same as a marine, is op is JUST LIKE saying a marine is op? when they are not the same. makes no sense. IMO saying marauders and immortals are op is ok, because they both HARD FUCKING COUNTER anything armored.Oh and the 10 damage, easily healed. In seconds, with sheilds it's basically 0 damage,and sure 2 zergling vs 1 marines marines loses, but in groups,maries win. add Micro its worse

[LordGilgamesh01]

@Lazris59 okay.marines and lings are both basic units of their races. And for you to say that what I said makes no sense and then to claim that marauders and immortals are the same level of opness is retarded. Dude, don't you realize that immortals have hardened shields, 200 hp/100 shlds do 50 damage to armored, where as marauders have 125 hp and do 20 vs armored. Immortals do just as much to any unit as a marauder does to armored units. Immortals are way more powerful than a marauder. Not same.

[LordGilgamesh01]

@Lazris59 another thing, saying immortals are op is ridiculous. Why do you think they got buffed with 1 range, bc they were getting beat by the unit they counter, Stalkers with blink. They are the hard counter to stalkers. Marauders are the counter to stalkers for terran, but Thors are the hard counter to stalkers. Dude, you saying lings and rines not being the same but then claiming similarity of immortals and marauders is funny. I've played zerg and rines die pretty easy. RINES NOT OP. OMG RLY

[Lazris59]

@LordGilgamesh01 50 damage to an armored unit? that isn't too much? they only reason they aren't as good as the marauder is because they shoot slow. If they had some sort of stim they would be crazy. So roaches need a buff since they get beat by stalkers with blink? and force fields? Just saying what they counter beats them when they have an upgrade dosn't mean they suck. Marauders beat immortals when they have stim. Marines/zerglings are different. 1 is melee 1 is ranged.1 can hit air 1 is good

[theclankperson]

@IXIXIXIBMGIXIXIXI He's just a very honest person and in all honesty he just wants to get that across as often as possible :)

[imbored264]

why no special 1000th video???

[ForceSC2strategy]

@imbored264

Every video I make is a special video.

[ForceSC2strategy]

@imbored264

Every video I make is a special video.

[watinowonder56724]

@ForceSC2strategy missleading name there for a few weeks there buddy :p

[TheOmnicience]

@ForceSC2strategy your special lol

[imbored264]

@ForceSC2strategy true that! :)

[medigoomnis]

@ForceSC2strategy ............GRATZ 1004th vid man! Hell of a special! Can't wait to see what 1005th is ...*cough*... :)

[jamchew1982]

@IXIXIXIBMGIXIXIXI jesus you're right

[romeqjanoosh]

Colossus harassment FTW!

[letitrain07]

@IXIXIXIBMGIXIXIXI I hate you lol now i notice EVERY time he say s "in all honesty"

[letitrain07]

DIABLO 3 MAGIC FIND VIDS

[cjcookie]

@IXIXIXIBMGIXIXIXI in fact "im a little bit concerned about" how much he says it

[indos3]

MF RUNS

[swollenbowel]

Thumbs up for the PDD

[ModestMousekateer]

"In all honesty" Terran is OP because of options in the early game. Banshee harass followed up by Hellion harass, for example. Two rax pressure plus bunkers. Two rax all in.

And then there's EMP.

[GrouEEf]

@ModestMousekateer dude, stop whining, jyp saw a doublebunker and didn´t make an early robo. how dumb can you be?

[ModestMousekateer]

@GrouEEf Actually, he did make the robo as soon as he saw the double bunker. Anyway, I wasn't complaining, just stating the fact that T has more options in the early game than the other races. I did, however, complain about EMP, but as Puma showed us, EMP is not necessary for T to pwn P.

Obviously you're a T player.

[whutbrush]

@ModestMousekateer : And it doesn't really end up an "all-in" for them because of MULE's. If the bunker rush, Hellion harass, or cloaked Banshees get fended off, they have a huge pile of Marines, Medivacs, and Siege Tanks coming behind it while the opponent rebuilds.

They have the cheapest, highest DPS units in the game, and the largest econ boost from MULE's and mobile buildings.

They are just a touch too forgiving for a game that's supposed to have balance.

[regilocoisop]

@whutbrush o really? so a chrono boost for faster units isnt cheap nor is spawning multiple units at the same time right? no no thats clearly an unbalanced game

[regilocoisop]

@whutbrush o really? so a chrono boost for faster units isnt cheap nor is spawning multiple units at the same time right? no no thats clearly an unbalanced game

[ModestMousekateer]

Is anyone else getting problems with the loading of the video at 0:28? I've refreshed like 8 times and still freezes there.

[restf0rm]

@ModestMousekateer Its your internet

[horamerda2]

@ModestMousekateer click on the loading bar manualy to skip 0:28 then, like clicking on 0:30

[ModestMousekateer]

@horamerda2 tried that several times, too.

[StfuSiriusly]

@IXIXIXIBMGIXIXIXI hes an honest guy, get over it

[Sandouras]

Why did he only throw down a PDD? He should have also EMPed the enemy army as well and killed it with one marauder.

[Sandouras]

Also, do note how a Protoss needs to drop a colossus (300/200) to do the same amount of damage as a couple of hellions. Zealot bombs only kill an SCV or two, unless you re playing vs an AFK opponent. 

[StfuSiriusly]

@Sandouras what? are you kidding me, and esp. if they are chargelots. a drop of zlts plus warp ins what do u mean an scv or 2?? seriously. Puma is an insanely good player. You guys realize blizzard pays, yes pays people to figure out balance issues and watch hundreds of games and tons of statistics. every other video i hear someone bitching about "zerg is op bunch of drones at once, omg toss is so OP warp ins ARgg. ARGG TERRAN EMP OMGULZZZZZ MARINESS ARRHHHHHHHHHH. stfu all of u

[GrouEEf]

@Sandouras l2p.

[Sandouras]

@GrouEEf

Nice reply. Insightful arguements!

[GrouEEf]

@Sandouras i already spent way too much time explaining that shit to idiots in the comments @ game 1 & 2, i will not waste my time on you as well.

[Sandouras]

Impressive harass force? How is it impressive? They're flying invisible units that can kill some probes and fly away when observers pop. In addition to that, they are light units which means stalkers need 1000 hits to kill one of them. That isnt impressive, that's bullshit.

[SHSAllStar25]

@IXIXIXIBMGIXIXIXI

I think you mean, In all honesty, he says in all honesty way too often :3

[Mullikaani]

Is top level banshee harass that op? Couldn't you counter it with photon cannons? They could also help against possible drops later on. I mean keeping your stalkers behind mineral lines all game long just doesn't seem to work.

[Sandouras]

@Mullikaani

Canons will set you back quite a bit and then he'll retreat and use the banshees in battle, where they are just as good as in harass. I guess later on you can add a cannon or two but in two bases he's still scared he'll die to that 1-1-1 push.

As for cannons stopping drops, they can hinder a Hellion drop, but not an MMM one. They snipe buildings so fast, so the cannons are only buying you a few seconds, that's all.

[Ra3nMaN]

Maybe not for the lower ladders, but Protoss reeeaally needs a huge buff. So sick of the homogeneous nature of the finals we see these days...

[imbored264]

@Ra3nMaN protoss needs a buff? they have 3 upgrades.. and no other race can put two spell casters together to make an other tier3 unit.. they just need to figure out a new way to go into the match-ups is all.. imo of course

[Ra3nMaN]

@imbored264 :P I too respectfully admit I don't know enough for this to be anything more than my opinion but the fact is I haven't seen a Protoss pro win big in a while now. There's always a possibility that we'd win a hell of a lot more games if we worked air units in as often as the terrans do or something like that but just going on statistics, I'd say we need a buff. Maybe faster carrier production or something... Idk. 3 upgrades isn't necessarily a good thing btw :P

[Xceles618]

Pumowned

[PoppieXL]

Now thats the Puma play style I like to see vs Protos

[xOXChimeraXOx]

In all honesty you say "In all honesty" a lot xD love you bro! xD

[cloudjin893]

force i kinda miss you doing your strategy vids with you actually playing it

[goldsmash9]

@cloudjin893 lol i think he has pretty much covered up all strategies the rest is up to players to adapt

[klabboy13]

i love your voice force! It's very smoothing

[Kanarfka]

@IXIXIXIBMGIXIXIXI Yah I've noticed that recently but it really doesn't bother me that much.

[GOcgyFLAMESgo]

@IXIXIXIBMGIXIXIXI in all honesty i think your gay...

[Key0fZ]

@GOcgyFLAMESgo his gay what? HIS GAY WHAT? YOU DIDN'T FINISH THE SENTENCE!!!

[simcult]

OMG Proxy Nexus!

[Zilerrezko]

why did idrA do that?

anti spoiler

[yuning727]

WOWWWWW

[watinowonder56724]

finally you had a missleading name there for a few weeks

[tolidboy]

PUMA so OP

[jmOYL]

u put JVP instead of JYP force.~



[pennington12ab]

Byahh

[Ryan11052]

Thanks for the great videos, Force. Love 'em all.

[edi2314]

im really trying to do homework......damn you Force!!!!!!

[AssholeAsssholeasdf]

is puma korean?

[SmurfOntheRocks]

@AssholeAsssholeasdf i think he's american not 100% though you should look it up :3

[Dripcy]

@AssholeAsssholeasdf Yessir, good friends with oGsMC too.