Heysel 1985: Requiem For A Cup Final - Part 1

[bananaempijama]

today,the match would be called off.

if not by UEFA,would be by the fans.

[WolfgangVonPoserkila]

The way Platini was so happy on scoring was shocking.

[kirstyhm]

Both the Liverpool fans and Juvent fans were disgraceful this day they both caused the deaths of those 39 people and for what a game of football but I also blame the people for putting up a 'nutual' corner for fans and having let the final play in that shithole of a stadium. But I don't think no one murdered anyone but people's actions did lead to other people deaths. R.I.P 39

[sergiogsii]

ESO NO FUE ASI K LO SEPAIS Y AUNKE SEAIS INGLESES¿ SABIAIS K LOS HOOLIGANS MEARON ENCIMA DE LOS AFICCIONADOS ITALIANOS MUERTOS?? ESO LO DIJERON EN LA TELEVISION ESPAÑOLA ASI K NO LO PONGAS TAN BONITO

[FatPizza56]

murderers murderers murderers 

[tyrantstarscream]

Broke my arm in a football game once, Started watching the game again.. But when this is happening.. No, Just No.

[TjtheTrapper]

A hooligan doesn't charge with the intention of killing another fan...neither Heysel nor Hillsborough was an intentional event. Structural inadequacy and a culture of rambunctious behavior is to be blamed, not murderous Englishmen.

YNWA

[220773]

Were all the English clubs responsible for this stuff? No, it was Maggie Thatcher willing to get rid of Liverpool and Everton (the leading clubs at the time), we all know, the north of England, the city of Liverpool had to disappear.

The English crowd at Heizel were a mixture of many English football cunts. The Belgian authorities packed them side by side with the poor Italians. The police came in after hours on horses. Juventus agreed to play and win that cup. Yet only English clubs paid.

[220773]

@220773

So many people and authorities being responsible for all this manslughter, no-one ever paid for all this, not the cunts, not the Belgians, not both the clubs (only Liverpool, of course), but why did all the other English clubs have to pay for things they weren't absolutely part of???

"Hooliganism"...that's the reason, aye? It was "spread in England", we had to pay...

Come tae Glasgow... you'll check whether we beat hooliganism or not... f... off!

BTW, I'm a Gers fan, I know what I mean.

[scouse2606]

@220773 Well behaved in Manchester weren't ya's!

[220773]

@scouse2606 Not at all, in fact. Aye, come tae Scotland and face reality, instead of following Maggie's footsteps, that's what I'd tell them hypocrites...

[odsall]

@abbeyroadLfc 19 v 18 FACT!!!!!!!!

[jedaxel]

@odsall 5 v 3. FACT. hey, that sounds familiar, sounds like one of man u's pathetic CL final. :)

[odsall]

@jedaxel Your still living in the past matey, 21 years of hurt!!!And counting.......

[petehall1985]

whilst the behaviour of the fans in excusable going ahead with the match is disrespectful. families had lost sons, daughters, fathers. This was a bad day for football

[ChiaraMichela]

How is it possible...to die...for a football match....

[scousechick87]

i wouldnt have been able to stay after such pain and tragedy, but i commend those who carried on. as a liverpool fan i will never forget what happened and to those who have passed away

justice for those who never recieved it and justice for the 96 liverpool fans who never made it home after the semi final in 1989

YNWA

[dawd29]

I would like to say something serious. I am Italian, and I know England and the many good qualities and positive aspects of the Britishness, so I won't say things like "English Animals". But there is a sort of social degradation in the English society that is at the base of the violent phenomenon such as hooliganism that should be a subject of deepest reflection by everybody. I invite all you englishmen to look inside of yourselves and try to understand. Greetings from an Italian appreciator.

[MrFaizmalik]

european cup final, not uefa cup, idiot

[danbags]

Horrible scouse cunts..... pity your own deaths!

[rockandrolleracdc]

There is reason to blame many factors. 1. EUFA, Liverpool pleaded with them to change the venue because it was shite. 2. Liverpool fans, I am a Liverpool fan and there is no doubt that there where trouble caused by Liverpool fans. 3. Italian fans, In 84 in rome they were stabbing our fans throwing shit at us. the same happened at Heysel and it was a retaliation that caused this. Italian fans are the fucking animals look what happened with united and roma and us and napoli YNWA 39 and 96 <3

[dawd29]

@rockandrolleracdc I'm Italian, and I wish I could meet you, so that you can call me "fucking animal" in my face and show me how brave you are

[rockandrolleracdc]

@dawd29 OK mate, I apologise for generalising all Italian football fans as the same, They are passionate but the Ultra side of things make me sick. I hate voilence in football, it upsets me. Things like Heysel and Hillsborough are tragedies that should have never happened. Again mate, sorry.

[dawd29]

@rockandrolleracdc No problem, I accept your apologies. Best regards.

[patsyd80]

the fans of both sides were not to blame it was the shity sadium.

[Xarcas]

THe bible? THE FUCKING BIBLE? 39 died and you fucking quote the bible?!! are you out of you're fucking mind?!!

Do you really think the families care for quotes out of a book that has been rewritten at least 18 times as seen fit?!!

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?!!

[LDD86]

@Xarcas what a fucken jew!!! HE SHOULD QUOTE THE HOLY Q'URAN INSTEAD!!!

[kubrick767]

"...I came across a photograph of a section of the crowd on the terraces. It shows a section of the Liverpool support, most of whom appear to be minding their own business. Some two yards from the fencing, on the Liverpool side, is a young man wearing an Arsenal shirt...I'm not suggesting the young man was a source of trouble but I ask you, what genuine supporter would attend a European Cup final involving Liverpool wearing an Arsenal shirt?"

From Ian Rush's autobiography.

[supahdupahguy81]

@kubrick767

It's pretty well documented that there was a significant National Front presence in among the Liverpool contingent that night.....

Wether they were scouse National Front members or not i don't know.....

[kubrick767]

I cannot, will not, ever accept that genuine LFC fans were to blame for the events of Heysel. For a club who had by then been playing European football for 20 years and whose fans had not caused trouble before, why would they suddenly kick off on that particular night? The club itself had even implored with UEFA to change the venue, but this fell on deaf ears.

[canItouch]

Yes, they were killed in a crush. And that crush ultimately was charged by LFC fans, of course I accept that. But to say that causing someone's death is not a murder is completely wrong, legally it is at worst manslaughter which is not the same as murder at all. Which is why no murder charges were proferred at the time. I don't get the reference to Hillsborough?

[aSSindiaRiotCrew]

which song is it at the begin of the video?its great.

[tubestevens]

fuck italians are soft women cunts

[zlatapraha]

I recommend that you find a piece on times dot co dot uk by Tony Evans, the Deputy Sports Editor of the Times, who was at Heysel that day.

[mericolosa]

juventus fan couldnt defende theirself,because in that section of stadium were only families!!!!!juventus ultras were in the opposite side

[velapulsar]

@mericolosa: the families were in section z, and caught in the middle of two sets of supporters trying to have a battle.

[jpw56]

Its not like the italians to retreat ....

[iarusso]

that god kill the queen and all her subjects bastards!

[alessiobatini]

Liverpool Cowards,you attacked innocent people and families,not Juve Ultras!

ONE day all of you will pay for This.....You fucking Bastards .

DRUGHI JUVE

[stuzzer2885]

What a lie. I was there. The italians were throwing missiles, spitting and one guy even had a gun. The Liverpool fans were provoked. No Liverpool fan turned up expecting to cause trouble or kill anyone! May all the dead rest in peace. They were caught up in a mindless confrontation between a minority of idiots on BOTH SIDES.

I was there. I saw it for my own eyes.

[sontag21]

@stuzzer2885 Far from defending the Italians in any case, please look at the couple at 1.24...if there was some "provoker", he was certainly not in that side of the stadium.

[myloulyk]

@alessiobatini you had ya chance in 2005 ya fkin shithouse bring it on ya ll get smashed again ya cunt

[alessiobatini]

@myloulyk fuck you and all the Liverpool supporters....you stink !!!!

Please next time , try to fight whit our real Ultras not with Family!!!!!

You are Just Cowards!!!!!!

[myloulyk]

@alessiobatini YOUR ULTRAS WOULD OF GOT FKIN SMASHED LAD AN U KNOW IT. WAS IT FAMILES IN SECTION XYZ THAT STARTED ATTACKING RANDOM LPOOL AND LAUNCHING MISSILES IN 2 OUR END? U KNOW NOTHING YA SHITBAG. Y DIDN T YA ULTRAS KICK IT OFF IN 2005.......? EXACTLY SHITHOUSES ALL MOUTH

[kubrick767]

@alessiobatini Juventus:

stripped of 2 titles;

demoted to Serie B.

The words 'bad karma' spring to mind.

[theturdz]

to play the game after what had happened was an insult to the 39 who had died im a liverpool fan born and bred in liverpool and im ashamed at what happened on that fateful night

[patsyd80]

wow go to watch your team and you end up dead. what a dissgrace. Im so pleased fottball trouble has been brought under control.

[shantibaba33]

40% of those arrested cockneymark were not from Liverpool. I aint deflected the blame here as Scousers played a big part in people dying. End Off!

But do a bit of research before you start spouting shite.

Thanks.

[tradeagency]

Liverpool Cowards,you attacked innocent people and families,not Juve Ultras!

When Juve Ultras invaded the pitch to revenge,Why you were immovable in your stand? Fear! Cowards! Terry Wilson little cunt,I read a book about him,where he said that he boasted of having done clashes against Roma Ultras in 1984,but in Rome he has never been. Ah ah ah Terry Wilson lie arsehole!

Roma Ultras are The Best!

[Safinim]

@tradeagency ....brits are a bounch of little cowards, Do you remember when few italian police smashed a lot of these cowards in Rom!!!

[CEngelbrecht]

44posts:

Are you a troll, Sir? Your use of the word "FACT" mimics The Sun's use of the "Truth".

[Lennon4life1968]

Its a shame that people use this forum to make sure that the hate that lead to the violence is still alive. Its sickening and you should be ashamed if you use this forum to promote hatred. You'll never be able to convince me that you are any better then those who caused this on that day.

[elpollodelamuerte]

@Lennon4life1968 No one here would actually wish for the death that happened here.  Anyone who says they would are your typical OTG, and in the rare case they aren't, they have a place waiting for them

[BloodNorseGods]

@Lennon4life1968 No More Brother War, 14 Words, End Chauvinism

[UncorrectSubculture]

I hate liverpool! motherfuckers

[ganjaman0006]

Vengeance!

[mroxylite]

typical lfc behavior

[44Beats]

I watched this live on telly at the time. In my opinion, this was a classic case of shooting yourself in the foot. The Juve supports started the riot (FACT). Then ran in a franzied panic when counter charged. The counter charge was neccessary as the LFC fans where about to be pinned up against a partition fence. The result was tradgic but the blame lies soley with the Juve supports. Justice what Justice. violence begets violence. The question is wether you can cope with the result.

[rotblaubasel]

a bit stupid what yoy saying my friend,real stupid

[cockneymark]

this is not english its scouse scum liverpool scum...........R.I.P THE 39.

[walshr]

Justice for the 39!

[zxychesatz349]

Full marks to Terry that he's now doing something very positive with his life.

[SpiritoCriminale1984]

TERRY WILSON MURDER

[jstow01]

No, Terry is actually alive and well. Cheers!

[SpiritoCriminale1984]

...what's your problem?

[jstow01]

Just letting you know that Terry is actually doing fine! Aren't you relieved? You thought he had been murdered!

[DeBlauweStad]

I wish I could agree. I talked to people who have been in the crowd of section x/y - they dind't know what they had done - not even that they noticed the deads. Hard to believe, but so it seems. Terry is to blame, but he is not a murderer. But if so - his blind idiot god forgives everything.

[DeBlauweStad]

The collapsing of the wall and the dead people weren't broadcasted live on tv. I think they all started sending pictures at 8.05 o`clock. The deads were carried away, section Z was "clean". But I wonder why never says a word, for example, about the italian "fan" in section m who had a gun and was shooting a policeman down. Simply a reaction?

[Essener2002]

What is the name of the song at the beginning of the video?

[jstow01]

"Bleach Boys" by the Dead Milkmen.

[canItouch]

Heysel was a dreadful tragedy, & yes some 'Pool fans present on the night must take some responsibility for what happened, BUT - nobody murdered anybody. FACT. If you read Nick Hornby's Fever Pitch you will see the way he described the charging that was prevalent in English grounds at the time which was more posturning than anything else, & nobody could have predicted that a wall would collapse. Rather than slagging each other, people should take a moment, 24 years on, to hope the 39 RIP

[gushjones]

@canItouch No, no, no.

Nobody murdered anybody? Ok, they didn't shoot them, they didn't stub them, but causing someone's death is not a murder?

Posturing or no posturing, this caused their death.

And what is that shit about the wall collapsing? Did any wall collapse in Hillsborough? That's called A HUMAN CRUSH if i am correct. People DIE EVEN STANDING. NOTHING HAS TO COLLAPSE.

Should someone have predicted the collapse, or shouldn't never have charged anyway?

[gushjones]

@canItouch By the way, did you watch the whole documentary to the end? CONTRARY TO WAS ASSUMED THEN -AND STILL ASSUMED TODAY- PEOPLE DIDN'T DIE BECAUSE THE WALL COLLAPSED. THEY SUFFOCATED OR TRUMPLED TO DEATH...

[torresarmbandred]

corrupt final..been shown the ref said juve must win..fair enough people died but in football terms it was a corrupt way to end the game... my nan died last week so why coudlnt they of stopped united winning the league...

MUNICH CUNTS HATE EM

[Sengleaboy]

Speak from you mouth and not from your asshole. Juve that year were miles better than Liverpool yet you still managed to fuck their glory night not to mention murder 39 innocent spectators.

[jstow01]

No one was murdered. They were killed by the crush.

[SpiritoCriminale1984]

that's not true

[jstow01]

Yes it is.

[Pescara1977]

the words you wrote have no sense.

[canItouch]

They do to me mate, what I am saying is that what happened is awful, yes there were some convictions for manslaughter, but there was no murder, and most of the people who comment below don't care a damn about the 39 - they are just using their tragic deaths to score points

[mmenez]

May 29th,1985.............the day football died.

[jstow01]

That isn't true; they still play football.

[mjhproductions01]

'the stadium was bad' big fucking deal, when chelsea played away this season in the group stages in romania the steps leading up to the stadium weren't even attached to the seating, were there any dead? No!

[sapotico13]

The match had to be played because the crowd would have gone into fighting if the game was canceled. The way they described it here in the intro makes it sound like they had no consideration. they were thinking about the people who were alive.

[gdv42]

A number of people need to take responsibility for this tragedy, namely UEFA for allowing the dilapidated Heysel stadium to be used. Inadequate segregation of fans in section Z. The Liverpool hooligans are the prime culprits however. There were 27 arrests on suspicion of manslaughter. The majority were from Merseyside. Some of them had previous convictions for football-related violence. In 1989, fourteen Liverpool fans were given 3-year sentences for involuntary manslaughter.

Disgraceful !

[Paulsixsmith]

red animals

[longballsteeve]

Did Platini know 39 people were killed when he took that penalty? I wonder.

[DavideITA77]

I'm italian and I'm a Juventus supporter. I cant' never forget that damn night, I was just 8 years but I can remember all. The english animals that do this tragedy have to pay... no justice no forget!

[Worselnyc]

not english, scouse. scum of the earth.

[zxychesatz349]

Animals didn't 'do' this tragedy. Generally they're not allowed inside stadia, apart from guide dogs for the blind. And it would be difficult to pay anyway, as animals generally do not handle money. Their world operates in a different way to the human world.

[DavideITA77]

Do you think that you' re funny? 39 people were killed, your humoris is so stupid...

[zxychesatz349]

Well, my little italian friend, if I were you, I would be more careful not to insult people in future. People are people, not animals, OK? So don't call my 'humoris' stupid, pal. (It's 'humour' by the way.)

[odsall]

@DavideITA77 Not English fans, there Scousers totally different. RIP to the Juventus Italian fans from a MUFC fan.

[dmehta]

@odsall Mate you are an embarrassment to yourself. You need to shut the fuck up

[odsall]

@dmehta You need anger management lessons fella!!!!Deal with it!!!!!Thats NINETEEN!!!!!!!!!!!

[ikillu3456]

wow, that lifeguard came into our school and gave up a talk about his upbringing and what happened.

[zxychesatz349]

That's very interesting. Can you give any more detail about the kind of things he said?

[ikillu3456]

I can't really remember much about what he said now.. it was over a year ago.. he was taking drugs and smoking at the age of 12, he sold his dog for drugs, he'd been arrested a few times for various things..And how he regrets doing all that now.

[zxychesatz349]

Cheers.

[ojxxx]

why do stadium tragedies always involve Liverpool?

[georgepeacockuk]

animals

[scouse2606]

@ojxxx We were not at Ibrox and Bradford....

[zxychesatz349]

Worth watching the whole of this excellent programme. It manages to avoid sensationalism, hysteria and easy blame, while fully respecting those who tragically died in the accident. Recommended.

[Bora199420]

whats man slaughting like the guy said the life guard

[zxychesatz349]

'Manslaughter' is accidental murder. The life guard was saying that he was only trying to defend a child Liverpool supporter from Juventus fans, and he and other Liverpool fans ran towards those fans. He did not know that those fans would run towards other Juventus fans and kill them by crushing them.

[Bora199420]

yeah thanks for the information

[iLoVeBiGcAtS08]

watched it up until "born again christian"...

[KopiteLFC92]

Why are some of you trying to place blame and call Liverpool fans "murderers" ?? The over hyped Juve supporters threw bricks along with other objects over the fencing which seperated both supporter's and into the Liverpool end, the ittalian police done nothing, look at them on this video, Let me put this to you all who are critisizing Liverpool fans... If bricks and other objects was hitting YOU and YOUR FANS and YOUR FAMILY and the police done nothing to stop them, what would you do?

YNWA

[dawd29]

shame on you

[scouse2606]

@KopiteLFC92 Well said!!!

[zxychesatz349]

Full marks to Terry Wilson in the video. Fans rushing each other was common in those days and on the vast majority of cases it didn't lead to anyone's death. In this case the ground was woefully inadequate. At least Terry has changed his life around and is helping others not to make the same mistakes. (I'm not a Liverpool fan by the way).

[LeftSideStretfordEnd]

Always somebody elses fault. 135 people went to watch games of football and never came home. Murderering scouse bastards.

[rcb0683]

here here!

[scouse2606]

@rcb0683 It's, Hear Hear you retard!

[rcb0683]

@scouse2606 It's actually: Hear, hear. Twat.

[scouse2606]

@rcb0683 For the pedantic nob that you are, here is the , and the h instead of a capital H....pleb

[md79x]

Oh do shut up you self pitying scouse bastards. Heysel, Hillsborough, its never your fault, is it? Always somebody else to blame you bunch of fucking animals.

[jamespp]

@md79x what would you know your from iceland

[XxsexycaittxX]

and btw the liverpool fans DID NOT cause this!

my father is from liverpool and my family know what happened because half of them were there!

The standby police let too many people because it was such an important game and as it got competitive because there were so many people the stadium started collapsing under the weight. As i said in another comment my mums b. friend n her bst friends boyfriend died in this match. they were in the first row and had no chance. it was trajic, noones fault!

[mongopongolongo]

What are you talking about? The Liverpool fans ripped down the fence and then charged at the Juventus fans, they ran away in their thousands and the wall collapsed. How on earth is this not the fault of Liverpool fans?

Nobody forced them to rip the fence down, and nobody forced them to charge at the Juventus fans.

Stop making excuses, have a bit of respect for the dead and start taking some responsibility!!!!

Murderes

[davidronaldp]

You can see Juventus fans ripping down fences too then running back and crushing fans both sets of hooligans were 2 blame in my opinion, plus the stadium was a health hazard

[squirehorse]

talking shit man. take resonsability for your thuggish actions

[Harritan]

sexycaitt, u said some of your close friends of your mother died, however im certain 39 fans died, 34 italians, and a handful of french and belgium supporters and 1 irishman, unless your friends wernt from liverpool or england id be wrong (sry if i am). And for the record, liverpool fans did cause this, unless juventus fans wanted to charge themselves.

[teresa6563]

you got the wrong game bro with respect rip all those who perished

[XxsexycaittxX]

my mum's best friend and her best friends boyfriend were killed at this match and also my father (who my mother didn't know at the time) was on his way to it but heard on the radio tht this woz happening,

a tragic day

R.I.P everyone who lost their lives

God Bless xxx

[mongopongolongo]

MURDERING KOPITE SCUMBAGS !!!

[Soprano12121]

there were english fans from loads of other clubs that rushed the juve fans, not just liverpool fans. Technically liverpool fans did'nt murder anyone the shitty stadium did. so you can only call liverpool fans for manslaughter.

[mongopongolongo]

Yeah thats right mate. Liverpool fans did nothing. It was the stadium that killed them. It was the stadium that ripped down a fence and ran at a the Juve supporters. I never knew that football stadiums had arms and legs, and were capable of running at people. It wasnt Liverpool at all, it was Chelsea. Those people wearing red and running at supporters wernt Liverpool fans, they were Chelsea fans pretending to be Liverpool fans. Yeah, it sounds really plausable that mate.

[Evenson107]

Yeah we know your being sarcastic and all but why are Chelsea always mentioned when heysel is talked about!? what do they have to do with it?

[Worselnyc]

lfc blame it on chelsea fans who infiltrated their support. no, really.

[mjhproductions01]

I'll tell you why, cos those scousers are always first to blame someone else, just like hillsborough, going on about justice for the 96, its been 20years and no one has come up with evidence that it was all about the policing, you would of thought some one by now who of released this information!

[5timesmanctwats]

that lad am sure works in the gym i go to,am almost certain

[amrasamra]

you are not worth the effort ...my English is fine..liverfool!!

[sparten1978]

you would know aye!!!YOUR CITY HAS THE BIGGEST MURDER RATE IN THE WORLD,YOUR POLICE ARE CORRUPT..AND YOUR CALLING LIVERPOOLIANS MURDERES..MATE SORT YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND PEOPLE OUT BEFORE YOU EVEN CONSIDER SLAMING ANY OF MY NORTHERN COUNTERPARTS!!! UP THE IRONS

[amrasamra]

where did you get that information...was it from your fool mind ??? or by watching your ignorant media ??

northern counterparts!!....who give a fuck to your speech you raciest pig ...liverfool make wanna puke

[amrasamra]

calling someone narcissistic pls look at urself first...??? English is not my first language ..liverfool !!

[jstow01]

Please learn English before addressing me. Thank you.

[jstow01]

Platini: classless, narcissistic cunt.

[amrasamra]

so is your mom ....you freaking animal ..Liverpool fans are murderers weather your fucking channel like it or not....since when bbc doing stuff in a fox news style ..blind propaganda ...this video is crap ....liverpool should be banned for ever ...and so is their inhuman fans ..liverfool!!

[jstow01]

Please learn English before you address me. Thank you.

[mmenez]

Classless??Are you better?s he so classless that you represent th majority's opinion?...NO.

[jstow01]

Learn English, please.