Even if the focus of the song is accepting your partner's faults no matter what they are because you're his gal and he's your fella, that's equally wrong and stupid. Accepting some faults because they're outweighed by the good things about your relationship and your lover is healthy, taking whatever someone dumps on you is not. Times have changed, and I'm glad that it now seems reasonable to question being classified among the "things that are his".
Nan Merriman also recorded this song on RCA Victor #10-1175. I have remembered this tune for nearly 52 years now. First heard it in a shopping mall in 1958. I just turned 58 this month. Shirley jones is still alive you know.
Have our ideas of what's good & what's bad deteriorated so much that we now think that mediocre talent presented in a modern video is superior to anything of yesterday? We seem to have lost sight of the real essence of this musical play & its meaning in our quest to damn everyone whose actions do not live up to our lofty contemporary mores. [sarcasm] Wake Up! This is one of the best musicals of the 20th century. (For further information see "Carousel" at Wikipedia).
Well it *is* a bit creepy, actually. The idea that Carrie is just one of Enoch's possessions...that's the difference between then and now, I suppose.
As much as it's a nice song, i can't help being a little disturbed by it. It might just be because Amanda Palmer did such a creepy version that I heard first, the words are really very chauvinistic. Staying with someone whether they're false or true is surely not just overlooking their faults.
The meaning by comment this video is of course to say somethings about her singing. Shirley Jones is a incredible singer, and wow how adorable she looks in this video.
What's the story in this musical behind this song? Is this girl saying "take the punches, because you love him"? That's kinda sick, no that's really sick.
you're pretty much missing the point. the main character is trying to convince her friend that no one is all bad, and although people make mistakes, all that matters is love. the focus of the song is NOT take beatings from you're partner because you're in a committed relationship, the focus is that all that matters is love, forgiveness.
And the heartwarming climax involves an abusive husband returning from the grave to slap his daughter, and by whispering "I love you" once instantly excuses the repulsively violent way he treated Julie?
I don't think they're trying to say it's excusable, I think the point is that No one is all good or all bad, and that you should always take that into account when thinking of someone
the climax is that he realizes that what he has done is wrong, when in the past all he did was trudge on angrily and didn't care what anyone thought and that he could do all he wanted because he was the big billy bigelow. at the end, he realizes that what he did was wrong and uncalled for, that he needs to control his temper, and feels remorse for his actions. past abusers can become good. you don't have to wear the title of abuser for life.
The song, from Rodgers & Hammerstein's "Carousel," isn't about abuse. It is sung after a misunderstanding between lovers, Enoch and Carrie. Women are telling Carrie that all men are bad. Julie (Shirley Jones) responds by encouraging Carrie to learn to live with Enoch's faults, since she indeed loves him. ... "Carousel" is a bit of a weird, creepy musical (including suicide and reincarnation) but this isn't actually a creepy part; just brilliantly turned so recently by Amanda Palmer.
Wonderful to find this song on here. I agree things aren't made in the same way anymore. While the song can be "twisted" to mean "stay in an abusive relationship", I think what the actual song is saying is that love is precious, it doesn't grow on trees, and no matter where it comes from you should always focus more on the love, and worry less about everything that'll distract you from finding love and not enjoying the real gift that love is.
Also I'd like to add: Love the person you're with, accept them with their faults (because you have them too is implied), don't go looking for faults, because that's all you'll find if you focus on it, just focus on love, because (as I said earlier) it doesn't grow on trees.
I don't think Marmyg is twisting things. The song says you belong to the man even if he lies to you. I love the song, and I think it's true that plenty of people experience that feeling. But it's about an abusive relationship.
A beautiful song beautifully sung by Shirley Jones. Great expression - been there done that - heart broken and this really sums it all up. Magnificent! They don't write them like this anymore
I think it would have been amazing to sing with her when she was young. I was in "Carousel the Concert" with her this past weekend. I was in the chorus and she was Nettie. Her son Patrick Cassidy was Billy. It was a lot of fun and they're both really nice folks.
They don't make them like this anymore.The days when Quality came with No restrictions on Expense, have been replaced by Inaudible Trash on a budget of the same quality. In my opinion, this is one of the best Musicals ever produced.
Years ago, I saw an interview with her in which she said that she enjoyed playing this role more than Laurey in Oklahoma, that Julie had more depth and was a tougher role to play. I think she's great in both, and what a voice!
She has a beautiful voice but when i did carousel at the notts arts therate in July, our leading lady had a more powerful voice and it was even better than hers!
I must say, all the songs in carousel are beautiful
LadyLollipop333 11 months ago 4
Even if the focus of the song is accepting your partner's faults no matter what they are because you're his gal and he's your fella, that's equally wrong and stupid. Accepting some faults because they're outweighed by the good things about your relationship and your lover is healthy, taking whatever someone dumps on you is not. Times have changed, and I'm glad that it now seems reasonable to question being classified among the "things that are his".
queenoftatters 1 year ago 2
I like how when Amanda Palmer sings it, there's INSTANTLY a darker undertone to the song.
SamuelEllmer 1 year ago
barbara ruick was great also
cousinarty 2 years ago 2
Nan Merriman also recorded this song on RCA Victor #10-1175. I have remembered this tune for nearly 52 years now. First heard it in a shopping mall in 1958. I just turned 58 this month. Shirley jones is still alive you know.
Beevac 2 years ago
amanda palmer`s version rocks 2
RbkCiRuela 2 years ago 2
Have our ideas of what's good & what's bad deteriorated so much that we now think that mediocre talent presented in a modern video is superior to anything of yesterday? We seem to have lost sight of the real essence of this musical play & its meaning in our quest to damn everyone whose actions do not live up to our lofty contemporary mores. [sarcasm] Wake Up! This is one of the best musicals of the 20th century. (For further information see "Carousel" at Wikipedia).
eyesk8er 2 years ago 2
Well it *is* a bit creepy, actually. The idea that Carrie is just one of Enoch's possessions...that's the difference between then and now, I suppose.
anthonydavidpirtle 2 years ago
gorgious music and gorgious singing
fludu1 2 years ago
This song is simply an expression of her feelings.
alexalex3131 2 years ago
exactly. and i think amanda palmer and annie clark sang it ironically , as you can probably tell by their video.lol
rachelle1419 2 years ago 3
mhm, i really love how they sang it sarcastically. i think amanda palmer did an amazing job with it
mcrluv 2 years ago
As much as it's a nice song, i can't help being a little disturbed by it. It might just be because Amanda Palmer did such a creepy version that I heard first, the words are really very chauvinistic. Staying with someone whether they're false or true is surely not just overlooking their faults.
runsinthefamily1 2 years ago 4
Sorry an....
globe255 2 years ago
The meaning by comment this video is of course to say somethings about her singing. Shirley Jones is a incredible singer, and wow how adorable she looks in this video.
globe255 2 years ago
What's the story in this musical behind this song? Is this girl saying "take the punches, because you love him"? That's kinda sick, no that's really sick.
ariadne42 2 years ago 3
you're pretty much missing the point. the main character is trying to convince her friend that no one is all bad, and although people make mistakes, all that matters is love. the focus of the song is NOT take beatings from you're partner because you're in a committed relationship, the focus is that all that matters is love, forgiveness.
addprisoner 2 years ago
And the heartwarming climax involves an abusive husband returning from the grave to slap his daughter, and by whispering "I love you" once instantly excuses the repulsively violent way he treated Julie?
ronnehh 2 years ago 3
I don't think they're trying to say it's excusable, I think the point is that No one is all good or all bad, and that you should always take that into account when thinking of someone
addprisoner 2 years ago 2
the climax is that he realizes that what he has done is wrong, when in the past all he did was trudge on angrily and didn't care what anyone thought and that he could do all he wanted because he was the big billy bigelow. at the end, he realizes that what he did was wrong and uncalled for, that he needs to control his temper, and feels remorse for his actions. past abusers can become good. you don't have to wear the title of abuser for life.
wickedredlights 1 year ago
But he DID hold the title of abuser for life.
He died. He died as he lived; a drunken wife beating ass.
ronnehh 1 year ago
well in the afterlife then, he redeemed himself, as stated above.
wickedredlights 1 year ago
It's pretty hard to misinterpret lines like "sometimes a man can hit you so hard it feels like a kiss."
ronnehh 1 year ago
The song, from Rodgers & Hammerstein's "Carousel," isn't about abuse. It is sung after a misunderstanding between lovers, Enoch and Carrie. Women are telling Carrie that all men are bad. Julie (Shirley Jones) responds by encouraging Carrie to learn to live with Enoch's faults, since she indeed loves him. ... "Carousel" is a bit of a weird, creepy musical (including suicide and reincarnation) but this isn't actually a creepy part; just brilliantly turned so recently by Amanda Palmer.
GlennCraven 2 years ago 2
@ariadne42 You really should familiarize yourself with the story of 'Carousel' before making ridiculous comments like that.
rejoicify 1 year ago
THIS SONG BLOWS MINDS
(Perhaps they don't make them like this anymore, but not many could make them like this back then anyways.)
doyoulikesesame 2 years ago 4
You're right there ,mate
crazystarwarsguy1006 2 years ago
Wonderful to find this song on here. I agree things aren't made in the same way anymore. While the song can be "twisted" to mean "stay in an abusive relationship", I think what the actual song is saying is that love is precious, it doesn't grow on trees, and no matter where it comes from you should always focus more on the love, and worry less about everything that'll distract you from finding love and not enjoying the real gift that love is.
Salamon2 3 years ago
Also I'd like to add: Love the person you're with, accept them with their faults (because you have them too is implied), don't go looking for faults, because that's all you'll find if you focus on it, just focus on love, because (as I said earlier) it doesn't grow on trees.
Salamon2 3 years ago
@Salamon2 : beautiful!!! I know a man like Billy Bigelow, and I couldn't have described my own feelings better than you just did. :-)
kateandphoebe 1 year ago
Too bad this promotes suffering through an abuseive relationship... Sure he hits you- but at least he loves you.
Marmyg 3 years ago
You can twist a song anyway you want.. I don't think thats what this song is about.
GamerCody 3 years ago 4
I don't think Marmyg is twisting things. The song says you belong to the man even if he lies to you. I love the song, and I think it's true that plenty of people experience that feeling. But it's about an abusive relationship.
jdjeet 3 years ago
Its more about the fact that men make mistakes.. If you love someone you just have to ignore their faults..
GamerCody 3 years ago 3
i agree. a short fuse and violent tendencies are just faults we all have to get over- because we love them and belong to them, you know
LifesIrony 2 years ago
A beautiful song beautifully sung by Shirley Jones. Great expression - been there done that - heart broken and this really sums it all up. Magnificent! They don't write them like this anymore
IfILovedYou7 3 years ago 2
Fans of this song should check out Amanda Palmer's version featuring Vermilion Lies. Very nicely done.
danno700 3 years ago 6
agreed :)
tonksloopy 3 years ago
i thought it was with Anne of st. vincent
??
Lilypai 2 years ago
yes it's with Anne but the video they made had Vermillion Lies singing along. but they're making another video, which I think does have Anne.
tonksloopy 2 years ago
I think it would have been amazing to sing with her when she was young. I was in "Carousel the Concert" with her this past weekend. I was in the chorus and she was Nettie. Her son Patrick Cassidy was Billy. It was a lot of fun and they're both really nice folks.
traceyofrc 3 years ago 6
@traceyofrc : Getting to work with both Shirley Jones AND Patrick Cassidy? You're very lucky!!!! :-)
kateandphoebe 1 year ago
They don't make them like this anymore.The days when Quality came with No restrictions on Expense, have been replaced by Inaudible Trash on a budget of the same quality. In my opinion, this is one of the best Musicals ever produced.
esteponarob 3 years ago 23
If only you had included the women's chorus reprising the song after Shirley stops.....!
ooaaeerr 4 years ago 5
She really is the quintessential Julie Jordan. Just wonderful.
fineeyes512 4 years ago 10
I actually think this is her finest film performance. She defined this role.
kittybutler 3 years ago 6
I agree. She made me completely fall in love with the role.
fineeyes512 3 years ago 8
Years ago, I saw an interview with her in which she said that she enjoyed playing this role more than Laurey in Oklahoma, that Julie had more depth and was a tougher role to play. I think she's great in both, and what a voice!
marypeck 2 years ago 2
Beautiful Shirley, sung with so much feeling, you really lived the part.
Floogy26 4 years ago 9
It was not the best voice but so real and believable - she really felt what she was singing.
milizakorjus 4 years ago
her voice was wonderful. who is better?
ksnygirl 4 years ago 16
try jan clayton in the original.
its close
cousinarty 3 years ago
Not the best voice?!?! what are you talking about! lol ..Her voice was pure and beautiful!
xoxo
crazy4johnnydepp23 3 years ago 11
She's so goooood.
actorlady 4 years ago 4
She has a beautiful voice but when i did carousel at the notts arts therate in July, our leading lady had a more powerful voice and it was even better than hers!
chan080808 4 years ago
One of the best songs they ever wrote. Love Shirley.
She is timeless!
eaewan 4 years ago 4
my favorite song from my favorite musical i love all rogers & hamerstein shows but this is by far my favorite it's timeless
ballroombarbie17 4 years ago 4
My favorite of the r&h shows! I grew up with this movie!
worldtraveler91 4 years ago 3
Shirley Jones is beautiful, thanks for sharing.
keallej 4 years ago