I love autogyros but I don't think I'd like to be up there in one. They always seem to like a potential disaster just waiting to happen. Condolences to the pilot's family, RIP
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@FlightLevelHeaded Can you please not generalize all Asians to be the same. These people are definitely not Chinese. I'm fairly certain it's Japanese, but it could be Korean.
seem like the attitude hes flying at seems wrong , flying to slow got behind the power curve gets into a sink and trys to recover with full power, and ends up pushing it over. instead of dropping the nose to create airspeed-
Oh! When I watched, I thought that the pilot had pulled back on the stick to "pull" the gyro "up" - like you would in a hang glider or a plane. He needed to push forward on the control. BUT, I know very little about gyros. How wrong am I??
@WECantThink: No, he definitely did NOT need to push forward on the stick, unless it had the old Benson-style control. (Can't tell from this low-rez video, but probably not.)
He pushed the nose over too fast,got negative G which unloads the rotor causing it to slow down loosing lift.Also there's not enough centrifugal force on the rotor blades to keep them straight so almost always under these conditions the rotor will strike the tail.Pull negative G in a gyro and you WILL DIE!
@chueffer: He may not have pushed the nose over at all, the gyro may have bunted over on its own.
Many gyros, particularly older ones, have/had the center of thrust above the center of gravity, and adding power without compensating with back pressure on the stick could cause a "power pushover" that would result in an unrecoverable loss of lift.
Its classic 'bunting' or pushover. The nose drops because the engine pushes the machine forward too fast for the flight envelope. Note the rotors become horizontal and cannot therefore develop lift. Result machine tumbles tail over nose. Unrecoverable pilot error. Most often occurred when pilots want to do a fast flypast...showing off
Very true. Display pilots tend to treat them like planes and push forward too far. Caused some deaths here in the UK.. Doing a lot of work with Ken Wallis at the moment and his autogyros.
Don't know about the speed thing though. He holds the world speed record, but then it's in one of his machines not the one shown.
STOP TALKING ABOUT HOW THIS WAS PILOT ERROR....IT WASN'T. I have never been fond of heavy cabins on gyros (anything heavier than fiberglass), this proves my skepticism!
That's a shame. Pitch over is a common thing with gyros. RAF2000s had a several incidents like this as well as Aircommands. PIO is also common with gyros.
I don't buy the bearing fail idea -- no blade seizure or loss. Looks like he tried to "push over" the nose, which put the rotors into a negative load.
Rotors in a gyro are always autorotating, like when a helo loses engine power. The rotors keep turning due to kinetic energy stored in them and airflow through them. These need positive load (like blowing air through a pinwheel).
If you push over, the blades lose energy and you tumble. Pau. That's why I gave up gyros for LSA.
Well after my comments. It still freakes me out , but I also have an urge to get one. I just wish they could figure out some way to engineer a parachoute on the bottom of the rig. If you fall, you'd float upsided down and damage the rotor. But bettar than than your life. You could rig bars around your body like they do for race cars or something.
take offs and landings are always on a one to one ratio. for every take off there will be a subsequent landing. the trick is to be able to reuse the airframe afterwards.
This settles it. I guess I WILL NOT be getting one of these now. Sure you can crash in anything, but too many people have told me these gyrocopters are very unstable and not save to fly at all. Even an engineer at Bell Helicopter told me this. And I REaLLY REALLY wanted one too. I wish they'd engineer a parachoute on the back or bottom just like they do small airplanes now. This settles the argument on if they can autorotate if the rotors quit too. Guess they can't. What's the story?
Air Command and Benson have good safety records. Ya know, if you want to eliminate risk, you'll have to write off motorcycles, barbecuing with charcoal, driving in winter, or freaky women. Hey, it could be worse, you could die from a horrible lingering disease or wind up in a really bad old folks home if you live too long. Do yourself a favor and do your own research before you give up on the idea. I'm sure helicopter guys could be really biased.
Not good examples my friend. You have a better chance of surviving bad "happenings' from the examples you gave than you do a copter (or plane) crash. People always say "Statistics shows you have a better chance of a car crash than an airplane crash." But what are the statistics of surviving a plane (or copter) crash vs. a car crash? :) And I'll trust a helicopter engineer at Bell Helicopter before I trust somebody on the InterWebs :)
???? OK, then go with a powered paraglider or get your pilots license and fly a Cessna... Or stay on the ground. As my Dad said, "Life is a terminal illness. We're all going to die eventually." If you want to shy away from something out of fear, that's up to you. Makes no never mind to me what you do.
Hi, I´m Willi from germany. I have been flying in a Huey for the german air force over 18 years. For saftey reasons our pilots had to perform an autorotation training at least every three month. Remember: an autorotating helicopter is nothing but a gyrocopter. I think, the most efficient way for airmen to get out of a bad situation by saving the aircraft too. I guess, gyros are very safe, as long as the are flown in a correct way.
Sorry for expressing my thinking in a misleading way. Once more: Physically every normal Helicopter changes to a gyrocopter WHEN AUTOROTATING, without the ability to stay in flight level, of course, because there is no thrust. Instead of additional thrust by a prop the rotor is driven by the descent of the helicopter while autorotating, which is physically identical to what a gyrocopter allways does with his rotor. May be you should ask a Bell Engineer ;-). Thanks for posting.
Come on Tex, you aren't going to concede that an unpowered helicopter IS in an identical situation to a gyrocopter the second it loses power? I think you owe Willi an apology for being so curt. After all, he's right. If your engineer from Bell wants to comment I think you should leave it to him to do so.
the rotor contruction of a gyro and the way its controlled are tottaly different then of a heli. Even while tose machines have a lot in common - in no case they are identical.
the rotors on a gyrocopter don't "quit" they aren't powered to begin with hence the name autogyro. They can be fairly unstable namely due to the vertical centre of gravity being in the wrong place. Also on occasion the main rotor has been known to contact with the pusher prop. My university did a substancial amount of research into autogyros, i'll see if i can dig up any of the technical papers. Still wouldn't stop me flying one though. If you don't like Gyros, how about flexwing microlights?
I own and fly both gyros and fixed wings...I'll take my gyro over my fixed wing anyday! Good training and properly designed machine will eliminate bunt overs!
ship apears to be in a stable attitude before it slowly noses over. Negative G maneuvers are prohibited in gyros. It causes the rotor to stop spinning becaus ethe air is no longer flowing up thru the bottom. Keep the nose up - opposite of what you do in a fixed wiong plane. Get a littlewing.
That's was in Japan Nigata Prefecture, Taguchisan dead for injuries
heliloco 3 months ago
No one in the crowd seems to care, sadly because at the second he crashed there were 10,000 more births.
oWarpatho 7 months ago
An Oriental recording, and with the quality of their technology they can't make a CLEAR recording? Begs the question; why?
JeffersonDinedAlone 8 months ago
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kneedeepinbluebells 10 months ago
I love autogyros but I don't think I'd like to be up there in one. They always seem to like a potential disaster just waiting to happen. Condolences to the pilot's family, RIP
MikeOxsmells 1 year ago
Powered push over?
gunnersdoubleott 1 year ago
Ahhhh! The Kamicopter getin Choppy woppy. Derka derka choppy hit ground slammy! UUUUUUHHGG!
mannhorn34 1 year ago
You cant front flip these things successfully i guess... lol
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wwwtotalitaerde 1 year ago
Look! They have gravity in China too.
FlightLevelHeaded 1 year ago 6
@FlightLevelHeaded
Can you notsee from the gravity that it's no China?
artiomantry 1 year ago 3
@FlightLevelHeaded: What does this Japanese-language video have to do with China?
SeikiBrian 1 year ago
@FlightLevelHeaded this was an japonese Gyrokaze ...:-D
CapitanoGUC 1 year ago
@FlightLevelHeaded Someone doesn't know the difference between Chinese and Japanese.
Hikkairu 1 year ago 2
@Hikkairu Someone really, really doesn't care.
FlightLevelHeaded 1 year ago
@FlightLevelHeaded Ah, willful ignorance. I bet you're a creationist also?
Hikkairu 1 year ago
@FlightLevelHeaded Can you please not generalize all Asians to be the same. These people are definitely not Chinese. I'm fairly certain it's Japanese, but it could be Korean.
squiresuzuki 6 months ago
He's now fertilizer in that rice patty
frankt04 1 year ago
How can the morons watching be so cold-blooded with no reaction at all ???
Are they... aliens?
08I80 1 year ago 2
seem like the attitude hes flying at seems wrong , flying to slow got behind the power curve gets into a sink and trys to recover with full power, and ends up pushing it over. instead of dropping the nose to create airspeed-
tastycougs 1 year ago
If he had a parchute that was rocket propelled he might have lived.
sensitivetony 2 years ago
Oh! When I watched, I thought that the pilot had pulled back on the stick to "pull" the gyro "up" - like you would in a hang glider or a plane. He needed to push forward on the control. BUT, I know very little about gyros. How wrong am I??
WECantThink 2 years ago
Other way around. Like a chopper, you don't nose over hard for any reason, hence, the rotors unload and you become a lawn dart.
bluehazer 2 years ago
@WECantThink: No, he definitely did NOT need to push forward on the stick, unless it had the old Benson-style control. (Can't tell from this low-rez video, but probably not.)
SeikiBrian 1 year ago
He pushed the nose over too fast,got negative G which unloads the rotor causing it to slow down loosing lift.Also there's not enough centrifugal force on the rotor blades to keep them straight so almost always under these conditions the rotor will strike the tail.Pull negative G in a gyro and you WILL DIE!
chueffer 2 years ago 3
@chueffer: He may not have pushed the nose over at all, the gyro may have bunted over on its own.
Many gyros, particularly older ones, have/had the center of thrust above the center of gravity, and adding power without compensating with back pressure on the stick could cause a "power pushover" that would result in an unrecoverable loss of lift.
SeikiBrian 1 year ago
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panchothemonkey 2 years ago
Its classic 'bunting' or pushover. The nose drops because the engine pushes the machine forward too fast for the flight envelope. Note the rotors become horizontal and cannot therefore develop lift. Result machine tumbles tail over nose. Unrecoverable pilot error. Most often occurred when pilots want to do a fast flypast...showing off
soreronicam 2 years ago 3
Very true. Display pilots tend to treat them like planes and push forward too far. Caused some deaths here in the UK.. Doing a lot of work with Ken Wallis at the moment and his autogyros.
Don't know about the speed thing though. He holds the world speed record, but then it's in one of his machines not the one shown.
DiamondEyeProduction 2 years ago
looks like the tail broke off in flight
rol6711 2 years ago
yeah i see that something fell off
ripcurl010 2 years ago
looks to me like a failure in the controls not pilot error. clap clap to the losers who think its funny
E9Thumper 2 years ago 6
Whoops i drop something...BOOM! XD
croser81 2 years ago
can somebody explain what the pilot did to crash the gyrocopter?
adrianrubi 3 years ago
wow pilot error its a bitch
bluedogdick 3 years ago
it is vunerable to negative g just like any two bladed (semirigid) rotor, included helicopters
dajsinjo 3 years ago
STOP TALKING ABOUT HOW THIS WAS PILOT ERROR....IT WASN'T. I have never been fond of heavy cabins on gyros (anything heavier than fiberglass), this proves my skepticism!
magicfreak123 3 years ago
then what was the cause?????????/
tcooperent 2 years ago
The cabin...weight distribution was incorrect....
magicfreak123 2 years ago
That's a shame. Pitch over is a common thing with gyros. RAF2000s had a several incidents like this as well as Aircommands. PIO is also common with gyros.
chaisone 3 years ago
yeap that way all about negative G over the rotor blades and they stall ....next
stealhty1 3 years ago
Good news: 85% chance of hittin' a rice paddy!
FlightLevelHeaded 3 years ago 2
hahaha i love how nobody gave a shit
patches2486 3 years ago
Negative G in a gyro and you die.
chueffer 3 years ago 2
i get it... lol
loi22 3 years ago
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chinese guy iz sayin a lot of BULLSHIT
gunmaster1119 3 years ago
This guy is neither Chinese nor he speacks chinese.
I dodnt want to say whos talking bullshits
in this case
artiomantry 3 years ago
no one is talking bullshit, and your right, they aren't chinese, they're Japanese, they showed the flag just before
cardcaptorsANON 3 years ago 2
@artiomantry its an japonese gyrokaze ... - he flys an kamicopter :-D
CapitanoGUC 1 year ago
taliban ! lol
POWERMOVEvideo 3 years ago 2
It is Japanese, not Chinese
penneyfour 3 years ago 3
wow...
its funny how the chinese ppl dont even move as the thing blows up
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They aren't Chinese and the vedio is probably a slow-motion replay.
bsiatb 3 years ago
wow...
its funny how the chinese ppl dont even move as the thing blows up
AniNationStudios 3 years ago
They are noy chinese! stupid!
paulmaxion 3 years ago
I don't buy the bearing fail idea -- no blade seizure or loss. Looks like he tried to "push over" the nose, which put the rotors into a negative load.
Rotors in a gyro are always autorotating, like when a helo loses engine power. The rotors keep turning due to kinetic energy stored in them and airflow through them. These need positive load (like blowing air through a pinwheel).
If you push over, the blades lose energy and you tumble. Pau. That's why I gave up gyros for LSA.
SoloPilot6 3 years ago
Well after my comments. It still freakes me out , but I also have an urge to get one. I just wish they could figure out some way to engineer a parachoute on the bottom of the rig. If you fall, you'd float upsided down and damage the rotor. But bettar than than your life. You could rig bars around your body like they do for race cars or something.
texformer 3 years ago
there is on some gyros
nutterireland 3 years ago
That crash was due to a main blades crown bearing failure, incorrectly installed..upside down. Those bearings are now lased with 'this side up'.
Mephistopheles08 3 years ago
take offs and landings are always on a one to one ratio. for every take off there will be a subsequent landing. the trick is to be able to reuse the airframe afterwards.
thgr8waldopepper 4 years ago 2
roflcopter
joebonk 3 years ago
This settles it. I guess I WILL NOT be getting one of these now. Sure you can crash in anything, but too many people have told me these gyrocopters are very unstable and not save to fly at all. Even an engineer at Bell Helicopter told me this. And I REaLLY REALLY wanted one too. I wish they'd engineer a parachoute on the back or bottom just like they do small airplanes now. This settles the argument on if they can autorotate if the rotors quit too. Guess they can't. What's the story?
texformer 4 years ago
Air Command and Benson have good safety records. Ya know, if you want to eliminate risk, you'll have to write off motorcycles, barbecuing with charcoal, driving in winter, or freaky women. Hey, it could be worse, you could die from a horrible lingering disease or wind up in a really bad old folks home if you live too long. Do yourself a favor and do your own research before you give up on the idea. I'm sure helicopter guys could be really biased.
thorneswift 4 years ago
Not good examples my friend. You have a better chance of surviving bad "happenings' from the examples you gave than you do a copter (or plane) crash. People always say "Statistics shows you have a better chance of a car crash than an airplane crash." But what are the statistics of surviving a plane (or copter) crash vs. a car crash? :) And I'll trust a helicopter engineer at Bell Helicopter before I trust somebody on the InterWebs :)
texformer 4 years ago
???? OK, then go with a powered paraglider or get your pilots license and fly a Cessna... Or stay on the ground. As my Dad said, "Life is a terminal illness. We're all going to die eventually." If you want to shy away from something out of fear, that's up to you. Makes no never mind to me what you do.
thorneswift 4 years ago
Hi, I´m Willi from germany. I have been flying in a Huey for the german air force over 18 years. For saftey reasons our pilots had to perform an autorotation training at least every three month. Remember: an autorotating helicopter is nothing but a gyrocopter. I think, the most efficient way for airmen to get out of a bad situation by saving the aircraft too. I guess, gyros are very safe, as long as the are flown in a correct way.
ChopperH1 4 years ago
I know an engineer at Bell Helicopter that would not agree that Gyros are just like Helicopters.
texformer 4 years ago
Sorry for expressing my thinking in a misleading way. Once more: Physically every normal Helicopter changes to a gyrocopter WHEN AUTOROTATING, without the ability to stay in flight level, of course, because there is no thrust. Instead of additional thrust by a prop the rotor is driven by the descent of the helicopter while autorotating, which is physically identical to what a gyrocopter allways does with his rotor. May be you should ask a Bell Engineer ;-). Thanks for posting.
ChopperH1 4 years ago 2
Come on Tex, you aren't going to concede that an unpowered helicopter IS in an identical situation to a gyrocopter the second it loses power? I think you owe Willi an apology for being so curt. After all, he's right. If your engineer from Bell wants to comment I think you should leave it to him to do so.
pete2778 3 years ago
i dont care what you would call it as
long as im alive and intact when i go home XD
gangstabrutha 3 years ago
the rotor contruction of a gyro and the way its controlled are tottaly different then of a heli. Even while tose machines have a lot in common - in no case they are identical.
Maverickx89 3 years ago
the rotors on a gyrocopter don't "quit" they aren't powered to begin with hence the name autogyro. They can be fairly unstable namely due to the vertical centre of gravity being in the wrong place. Also on occasion the main rotor has been known to contact with the pusher prop. My university did a substancial amount of research into autogyros, i'll see if i can dig up any of the technical papers. Still wouldn't stop me flying one though. If you don't like Gyros, how about flexwing microlights?
meggark 3 years ago
This is an example of the dreaded POWER PUSHOVER, not good in a gyro (always death actually)...
HailAnts 4 years ago
are crashes common with these type of aircrafts
capricornforever 4 years ago
I went back to fixed wing, as you can see here, if you screw up in a gyro, no second chance. You can invert an airplane, then tell people about it...
gyroplanefdk 4 years ago
I own and fly both gyros and fixed wings...I'll take my gyro over my fixed wing anyday! Good training and properly designed machine will eliminate bunt overs!
Gyro's are much safer than planes!
ultracruiser41 4 years ago
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I wish when things are posted on the Youtube the fuking people would put the audio in English
Bigjohnnywad 4 years ago
He's saying has been Katie Couric has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
thinazzabird 4 years ago
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What if they don't speak english dumbshit?
zaphod3099 4 years ago
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Post it somehwere else fuckwad and mind your own stinking business..if I need your opinion I will give it to you..fucking wanker
Bigjohnnywad 4 years ago
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You will give me my opinion? Sorry, I didn't realize you are a halfwit. My apologies.
zaphod3099 4 years ago
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Mind your own business wanker
Bigjohnnywad 4 years ago
ship apears to be in a stable attitude before it slowly noses over. Negative G maneuvers are prohibited in gyros. It causes the rotor to stop spinning becaus ethe air is no longer flowing up thru the bottom. Keep the nose up - opposite of what you do in a fixed wiong plane. Get a littlewing.
TheRooster602 4 years ago 7
this ship has a tiny or absent horizontal stabilizer
see martin hollman's site.
TheRooster602 4 years ago
I think you are right. I also red something about the lift-, thrust- and draglines not being at the right places. So it is bad design.
I don't think the rotor stops spinning instantly because of inertia.
autogyrofreak 4 years ago
definitely agree with ur opinion.....!
acongsk 3 years ago
looks like he crashed
yeogav 4 years ago
Anyone who speaks japanese and can translate what is said in the video? I wonder what caused the crash...
mr203478 4 years ago
are they usually quite safe to fly ?
o0dekker0o 4 years ago
yea, its like a plane crash. unfortunatley it happens sometimes. verry sad.
niitr0 4 years ago
A autogyro needs the nose to be kept up. If you push it over you will surley die.
madeljacky 4 years ago
no parachute?
thiagotecnico 4 years ago
sad.
GALACTOSE 4 years ago
A friend of mine died in the very same type of crash. Very sad.
tuttt99 4 years ago
what was the cause? anyone? pio?
feastonmyload 4 years ago
PIO leading to pitchover apparently
tuttt99 4 years ago