Kadochnikov System - non-standard punches

[kern0099]

Where are the Systema videos showing it practiced at full combat speed? All I can find are more of these demos. Thanks in advance.

[ginjaninja1988]

@kern0099 Cut and paste this into the Youtube search bar Система в реальной работе Let it get past the first 20 secs or so and you will see systema at full speed. Alot of the good vids are in Russian rather than English. Also check out Sonny Puzikas and Martin Wheeler. They seem to have great videos...

[mouche621621]

And to all people here discussing the Vadim Starov / Muay Thai Guy fight... well, be glad cause "oops", he did it again ! The vid is in russian, sorry I don't retrieve the link, and this time he fights a massive boxer... only to show, once again, that he is a very talented man in the art of punching compliant students, a decent coward dodger when it comes to avoid real punches, and a totally unoperative fighter when it comes to punch AND dodge at real speed.

[CNCTEMATIC]

Whenever I see A A Kadochinkov's videos I wish I spoke Russian. :)

[robertojerez]

the old issue about demonstrations and compliance, give me a break, if you can do it slowly you will do it fast eventually, the other way around? yeah, good luck and make friends with your doctor...

[Soulblackman]

@robertojerez Very true. Mastery comes with developing the muscle memory.

[RonnySayfan]

Varanid, An0niempje - nonsense.

Working live and with resistence does not mean every drill and learning session must be performed in full contact.

It means that if the teacher teaches timing he PERFORMS in the right timing - not talk about it.

When teaching about softness - he SHOWS by moving circularly and neutrlizing a rigid, forcefull student using less force - not supposedly illustrating it with slow motion and compliant "victims".

Have you seen the Vadim Starov vs. Kickboxer vid?

[Soulblackman]

@RonnySayfan vadim got owned, but I RESPECT the fact he got out there.

[RonnySayfan]

@Soulblackman - nice point. But what did he do afterwards? Kept the same bullshit going...

Had he said - " Yeah, I got my ass kicked by a smaller man, and I could'nt move half as flowingly as I thought I would", I would have respected him as a man of integrity.

He did not.

[Soulblackman]

@RonnySayfan Frankly, I don't know what his reaction was. Maybe you read something on this. All I know is that reality is different than theory, but if I was Vadim, I would have made it a POINT to practice against kickers, using Systema principles OR developing new ones to adapt. Maybe his paltry showing is what contributed to the Kadoshes kicking him out. Personally, all I see in Vadim, is a very sadistic man who takes great joy in hurting static and compliant students. ALL of his "real life"

[Soulblackman]

@RonnySayfan depictions are in slow motion, and he NEVER shows anything in more realistic speed. You've got to learn from your behind-whippings.

[RonnySayfan]

This is the mark of bullshit. NEVER show anything in real speed?!

Fighting happens fast... The inertia, vector-changes, relaxation-under-stress, timing -all these CANNOT be developed in slow-motion.

Speed is a real part of fighting.

Can you teach an acrobat to summer-sault in slow-mo? NO, it's one flowing technique, using momentum, and requires a minimum speed for execution right?

doing it slowly would give you NOTHING.

No real conditions, no real skill.

Fighting is the same.

[Soulblackman]

@RonnySayfan However, slow-speed DOES have its place in training the muscle memory. Also, DEMONSTRATIONS are not done in real speed. Never happens. The only time you see this is in a tournament or fight. But from time to time, you do have to practice at a more realistic speed, to gauge how much muscle memory has really internalized. My problem with Vadim is that ALL of his demos were at SUPER-SLOW speed, which my my view served him POORLY when he went up against the Muy Thai guy.

[Soulblackman]

@RonnySayfan If he'd done so, he would have refined his techniques, based on solid principles, and dealt more appropriately with real kicks & punches. But as I also opined, Vadim came across to me as sadistic, taking full advantage of students who just stood there. I didn't even sense any REAL Systema punching/penetrating power that you see with Valisev or Rybako. He was just wailing away, using muscle. That's what I saw. All of this in my disagreement in part, with what you've written.

[An0niempje]

It takes years of practice to train your slow motion moves so much that they become a natural reflex, but it can be done. Of course this is just a demostration, otherwise that guy wouldn't have many students left on the end. Good vid btw.

[Onikagenokageyama]

There's plenty of examples of people moving smother than this guy and faster than most people can move.

[RonnySayfan]

you miss my point my friend - the flow of this demo, and many of vasiliev's, are based on reactions that would not happen in real fighting speed, where momentum is a factor.

A fast moving opponent with quick reflexes tends to make trouble for "pretty" technique-flow. that's why you never see one in Systema or Aikido.

[Onikagenokageyama]

I suspect that by majority the reason that you don't see many people give their teacher a hard time is because they want to learn the lesson and not test it. There is also the point that when you train hard or with a rough partner, there is a tendency to get hurt and shorten your training time. this is in my own experience.

[RonnySayfan]

"They want ot learn the lesson not test it" -

You remember this is about martial skills right?

There is no way to teach someone how to overcome a resisting opponent without an actuall resisiting opponent...

"there is a tendency to get hurt and shorten your training time" - train realisticaly not wildly. your tendency to get hurt when you train hard means you are doing something wrong, not that training hard is bad for you...

Look for Matt thorenton's videos on "aliveness" in MA.

[varanid9]

So let me get this straight...we "resist" before we have even learned anything to use??

[varanid9]

You make one good point: that way, the teacher can show his true bonafides. Unfortunately, like An0niempje said, he wouldn't have much in the way of students.

[tosheee]

Nice!

[KrwawyLeon]

lol this has nothing to do with the real fight. A real opponent will not attack you in slow motion, also - he will use both of his hands;)

[evoilias]

yea but now only exersise they do this in fast motions too!!!

[eejit4hire]

are you fucking nuts :)

[pz3j]

He is not fighting. He is illustrating principles to novice students. Would you introduce a new student to new techniques at full speed? I would only hope not.

[qingzhir]

@pz3j yeah, this kind of martial art must be learned through slow motion.

[apengsanjuan]

this is a demonstration, your ignorance is amusing

[SimonXR]

That is correct, but would he use both of his hands at the same time? no, he'd only be using one at a time, like the guy in the vid.

[SlavaSvarogu]

@KrwawyLeon

And when you start to learn peinting or make sculpture you are fast? This fight about biomechanics about human body,for exaple take Fedor Emelianenko,he is not crazy big man,but he take out all steroid Gorillaz by good biomechanics,systema is good discipline for everything

[KrwawyLeon]

@SlavaSvarogu Fedor Emelianienko has nothing to do with systema lol! Fedor is training SAMBO - a very real fighting system, one of the best in the world - systema is a cheap bullshit for people who have no idea about fighting.

[Soulblackman]

@KrwawyLeon What is your experience with Systema or its practitioners, that would lead you to this conclusion?

[Spetsop]

@KrwawyLeon

lol Actually Fedor does train in Systema too.

"systema is a cheap bullshit for people who have no idea about fighting." a huge LOL... tell it to the special forces that train in it! Come to think of it, try it first, then talk!

[KrwawyLeon]

@Spetsop no he does not. Stop lying. Show me one video with Fedor training systema lol

[mouche621621]

@Spetsop Dude, Fedor was asked about systema in an interview, and NO, he does not train in systema, he didn't even had a clue what it was.

[matsukatze]

very good

[electronikita]

улыбнуло! особенно тот факт что они одеваются в военное)))) вот пускай они к самбистам придут и будут такое пытатся вытворят, вот когда увижу такое видео скажу что может чтото в этом есть, а пока могу сказать одно - в печь!

[eejit4hire]

3ria ti tak :) rabotaet

[Vampirro1975]

@electronikita А вот я в свое время не нашел ни одного самбиста, кто бы согласился выйти без ограничения техники. Сейчас мне это уже не надо.

[prapor758]

@electronikita чо лыбу давишь? ща в бошку получишь

[electronikita]

@prapor758 Ogo, dolzhno byt' obidno chto ya po russki pishu lutchshe?

[prapor758]

@electronikita  ты америкос недоделок молчи уде

[zeNice17]

I wish I could learn that in Portugal

[oldmutha]

If you have aikido taught near you, there are a lot of similarities - yoseikan and yoshinkan are sometimes used by Japanese police

[tosheee]

Yea, I agree oldmutha, I'm studying aikido for 8yrs, but I could say that systema is better, wish I could learn too :-) But I also believe studying aikido, or judo, or jiujitsu, or similar arts will provide a starting point if we are interested in systema, correct me if I'm wrong, peace out

[megakolyan]

Херня какая. 7 кю максимум

[Pokemonzza]

Аркадий - лучший! Отличное развитие системы!

[Kempojiujutsu]

Very nice video 5 stars excellent techniques

[danilovsky22]

WOW!AMAZIG TEHNICS!

[Kempojiujutsu]

thanks for sharing that video with me my friend.

[Kroitk]

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