people have been told that God will allow those he has judged guilty to some how escape eternal punishment.... does this disprove Gods Love.. of course not.. God gave us Jesus.. But dont forget that God is a rightious God.. a Holy God... God will and must punish sin....
those that discount Gods rightious judgment will happen... there is no back door... God will never excuse sin... no let people slip through his fingers so to speak..
so in other words if you dont like a rightious God...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker I punish my children but for their good. And I would never conceive of eternally torturing them and think that was for their good. The god you portray is a fiend, and no god and all. Would you consign your children to eternal torment simply for being born into this world? The god you preach does. Now, you've had your say, you've left your comment. And I've responded. This comment section is not for long continuing debates. If you want to debate go to a discussion forum.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker All of my comments are supported by scripture and in the context of God's judgment and mercy.You can't scripturally disprove what i'm saying so you have to call it false teaching.Because you believe in eternal punishment you can't harmonize the scriptures of judgment and mercy. Instead you make these scriptures of judgment and mercy contradict each other.The Bible does not contradict itself. Ouit being selfish with God's Grace and Mercy.He will in due time extend it to all.
There is something far worse then just being stoned. We can argue over words, but the cessation of existence by death puts everyone on the same leavel, no matter how they lived and that is not justice. Hitler? The value of physical life is immeasurable, let alone the possibility of living in peace endlessly with God. Justice demands an equality relative to the value of something that was wilfully destroyed. Eternal fire is tied to conscienciousness the abilty to perceive. It is still grace.
Wow Gary! What a Revealing straightforward illuminating LIGHT into the deep darkness of religious thought! Keep on shinning Brother, Love you, Dennis Caldwell
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Mr Loudmouth, please contemplate the person you most love being endlessly tortured right in front of God and yourself in a place created by God. Picture it until your mind and body really experiences a portion of it. You will then see, your concept of God is worse than satan. You've bought into Satan's greatest lie. Now this comments page is NOT a discussion board. It's meant to leave a comment or two. If you want to discuss this further, you need a discussion board, not here
how is that people can lie through their teeth and reject Gods eternal punishment teaching.. people think how could a God who is so loving condem people to hell, well guess what.. God is rightious
The bible teaches that God has wrath, jealousy, and hatred. The Creator is perfect and does not exhibit those types of human failures. It is not God' nature to send anyone to hell forever. The bible is wrong about so many things. If Jesus died to save everyone, then let's accept it and learn how to live. That is why Carlton Pearson became a new thought minister. Listen to Joel Osteen who's messages teach you how to live a spiritual life.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Well, thanks for your comments. I think by your name and your comments we know all we need to know about what's in your heart. Thanks for making our position clear by the contrast.
@tentmaker777 i find that people disagree with the bible... some people believe that God gives them a second chance.. once your dead thats it... there is no more excuses...
@741rjohnson yikes... the bible states that a non believer is allready condmened - a christian isnt judged on wether he or she believes in Jesus but rather is judged on their works....
there is no second chance... are you a roman catholic
@MrLoudmouthspeaker First of all there is no first chance to be saved or second chance to be saved. We're not saved by chance. We're saved or redeemed by the Blood of Jesus Christ through His Faithfulness on the Cross(The Atonement).You forget that at one time you were also an unbeliever under condemnation.This is why God has concluded all of us in unbelief that he might have mercy upon all(Romans 11:32).I am not a Roman Catholic.I believe in the salvation of all mankind.
@MrLoudmouthspeaker you should know if you study the scripture that there is no automatic salvation for everybody... the bible tells us that we are all sinners..the bible tells us that those who dont believe in Jesus are all ready condemned to hell.. wake up eternal punishment is just that... on going. .for ever... the is no second chance after you die..
your view on theology and scripture is poor - if you are twisting the scripture for your own benefit then you will be judged harshly..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Of course God will punish those in the lake of fire. How else can His love reach them? And we're not saved by chance: We're saved by Grace(Ephesians 2:8). John 3:18 says "but he that believeth not is condemned already." Where does it say anything about being condemned to hell in this verse? You are misquoting and twisting scripture to support your belief in eternal punishment.Also show me those scriptures that say there is no hope of repentance after death? God Bless.
@kingfisher64 oh so i guess you are one of these people which believe all people will end up in paridise... that Gods punishment is simply for a matter of a limited time... ie a type of roman catholic purgatory or an islamic hell
wow.. seems like everyone shares what ever is the best view at the time..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker - For someone who is a Christian you sure do seem judgemental. I am NOT one of "those people" who believe all people will end up in paradise. However nor do I pretend to be someone who has all the answers. You have lost all credibility in my eyes with your rude, judgemental attitude. If this is how non-Christians perceive you - more damage will be done that good.
@kingfisher64 judgemental.. yikes.. well did jesus mess around with jewish priests... answer No.. did jesus get angry and kick out the money changes in church.. answer Yes... are we told to defend and expose the false teachers and preachers of the world .. answer yes,,, did jesus ever hold back.. and bite is tounge or did jesus call a spade a spade... there is no grey in a black and white world
@MrLoudmouthspeaker - you're not Jesus. There's a significant difference between righteous anger and whatever you project. Jesus told us to speak with love - you're attitude is that of a "know it all" - which is perceived as judgemental, offputting and just plain "i know it all".The way you get the Christian message accross is causing more damage than good. Learn to be more wise in the way you promote your beliefs - otherwise you will lose all credibility.
@kingfisher64 what ever i project.. well read my homepage/ channel... exposing false wolves in sheeps clothing... would you rather dance around the truth or rather give people the truth of the gospel...people die for lack of knowledge.. many people in church have fallen asleep
@MrLoudmouthspeaker - maybe your heart is good, but the way you talk to people is very poor. "Like it or lump it" - could you imagine Jesus saying that? Where is your love and compassion for people? You appear to be more interested in being right than bringing your points to people in the way Jesus said to - with love. The way you argue your points just undermimes the message.
@kingfisher64 would you perfer to dress up the gospel, make it sound nice and frilly.. i am pointing out false teaching to false teachers and preachers theres a huge difference..people who claim to know the truth and teach it.. but teach their own version is clearly false..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker - "like it or lump it" just sounds ignorant. I don't like seeing people "promote" the gospel who appear to do more harm than good. I believe the same thing as you - however other people who don't have already dismissed your comments - due to the way you talk. Please consider the way you make your points, as you'll do more harm than good.
@kingfisher64 when you have corupt teachings spreading a false gospel message.. you need to make people aware of whats going on.. a) their are teaching the wrong thing by accident or b) they are teaching a false gospel on purpose...
knowingly spreading a perverted gospel is totally wrong...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker - I couldn't agree more - which is why it's very important that the way you promote your beliefs. The way you do it undermines the credibility of the gospel. If the truth is spoken by a person who lables themself a loud mouth - then the credibility of that gospel is going to suffer. The way you promote the gospel lacks tact and isn't spoken in a way that Jesus asked his followers to do - with love.
@kingfisher64 i am not aiming at those that dont know the truth rather those wolves in sheeps clothes who is twisting the scriptures and sending people to hell on purpose.. many false teachers pervert the gospel on purpose like this tentmaker clown
@CloverfieldMonster95 I understand exactly what you are saying although i think this hell is a state of mind and not a literal place. i think those who died in sin will be condemned spiritually for a longer while than those who died without sin but unbelievers. Either way its temporarily and not permanent. If those who think of annihilation, it is no where in the scriptures. I'm a black southern baptist and not many African American believes in Unilateralism first time for everything.
@tentmaker777 I believe that was God that made those decisions. When he said "predestination" I assume he meant that we have no choice in going to either Heaven or Hell which is false. We choose that. God paves the way but we have to choose to reject the path or to follow it. I don't believe that I can just "will" myself a million dollars or "will" myself to fly, I was just talking about predestination of salvation.
@CloverfieldMonster95 And you can't "choose" yourself to heaven either. God subjected creation to futility and God will restore it ALLLL according to His plan and purpose, not according to ours.
@ILuvOldSchool uugghhh we have free will dude. Do not be decieved. I am actually having a discussion with somebody else right now, ironically, on Youtube. I do agree with what you said on the Trinity though. Oneness is the Truth.
@CloverfieldMonster95 "All we like sheep have gone astray." Did you chose your parents, the country you live in, your sex, your skin color, the family that would raise you, the time in history you were born into? Can you go to the moon? Instantly raise your financial status? There are millions of things your mythical "free will" is not free to do. The bible calls us "slaves to sin." Your "free will" is a myth taught by a Dark Age Church.
A friend of mines Uncle just passed away, and he was Roman Catholic, but when he died, he had passed away very peacefully. He was not even afraid to die. But that family is not that "Turn or Burn" Hellfire and damnation type.
I Just finished reading this book. Although I appreciate Purcell's take on the errancy of the doctrine of hell, he embraces way too many other false doctrines. His defense of the catholic church is disturbing, plus he believes in the trinity and in free will. The last straw came when he declared that "God has chosen to limit the use of his unlimited power in regard to preventing evil," something he has no scripture backing for. I would not recommend this book. Hope Beyond Hell is much better
@ILuvOldSchool Glad you posted this. It's obvious that just because someone believes in universal reconciliation doesn't mean they have the full truth. But it's only because God hasn't chosen to reveal some things to some universalists. The statement about God choosing to limit the use of unlimited power is outright blasphemous though, if that is what he was really saying. and makes me want to avoid anything written by this author. Are you sure he wasn't just quoting someone?
@RUABerean No, he wasn't quoting any one but himself. He puts the belief that God creates evil in the category of spiritual abuse. A lot of the things he wrote really doesn't separate his beliefs very much from the beliefs of the church. The only thing he differs is the doctrine of eternal hell.
Us Christians are superior to others, wherever we go we bring peace and prosperity (to ourselves), we have banquets out of charity funds so we can discuss small ways to help the starving and we only sin a little bit to show we're human. Our reward in heaven will be to mete out punishment to those who didn' t believe, foaming at the mouth with ecstasy whilst doing so. I'm so glad I’m good!
people have been told that God will allow those he has judged guilty to some how escape eternal punishment.... does this disprove Gods Love.. of course not.. God gave us Jesus.. But dont forget that God is a rightious God.. a Holy God... God will and must punish sin....
those that discount Gods rightious judgment will happen... there is no back door... God will never excuse sin... no let people slip through his fingers so to speak..
so in other words if you dont like a rightious God...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 5 hours ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker I punish my children but for their good. And I would never conceive of eternally torturing them and think that was for their good. The god you portray is a fiend, and no god and all. Would you consign your children to eternal torment simply for being born into this world? The god you preach does. Now, you've had your say, you've left your comment. And I've responded. This comment section is not for long continuing debates. If you want to debate go to a discussion forum.
tentmaker777 5 hours ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Of course God will punish those in the lake of fire. How else can His love reach them?
741rjohnson 4 hours ago
@741rjohnson oh wow.. who has filled your head with such nonsence... your understanding of theology has been clearly warped by false teachers...
the bible teaches no such thing anywhere... sorry but true
MrLoudmouthspeaker 2 hours ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker All of my comments are supported by scripture and in the context of God's judgment and mercy.You can't scripturally disprove what i'm saying so you have to call it false teaching.Because you believe in eternal punishment you can't harmonize the scriptures of judgment and mercy. Instead you make these scriptures of judgment and mercy contradict each other.The Bible does not contradict itself. Ouit being selfish with God's Grace and Mercy.He will in due time extend it to all.
741rjohnson 2 hours ago
There is something far worse then just being stoned. We can argue over words, but the cessation of existence by death puts everyone on the same leavel, no matter how they lived and that is not justice. Hitler? The value of physical life is immeasurable, let alone the possibility of living in peace endlessly with God. Justice demands an equality relative to the value of something that was wilfully destroyed. Eternal fire is tied to conscienciousness the abilty to perceive. It is still grace.
MrPeaceKey 1 day ago
I have to add, "Mrloudmouthspeaker's" name says enough about his heart and attitude that we can safely disregard any and everything he says....
Not1Lostorg 1 week ago
I'm gonna share this EVERYWHERE I can.... :-) Thank you so much!
Not1Lostorg 1 week ago
Wow Gary! What a Revealing straightforward illuminating LIGHT into the deep darkness of religious thought! Keep on shinning Brother, Love you, Dennis Caldwell
Not1Lostorg 1 week ago
GREAT VIDEO GARY!
jesuschrist1732 1 week ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Mr Loudmouth, please contemplate the person you most love being endlessly tortured right in front of God and yourself in a place created by God. Picture it until your mind and body really experiences a portion of it. You will then see, your concept of God is worse than satan. You've bought into Satan's greatest lie. Now this comments page is NOT a discussion board. It's meant to leave a comment or two. If you want to discuss this further, you need a discussion board, not here
tentmaker777 1 week ago
how is that people can lie through their teeth and reject Gods eternal punishment teaching.. people think how could a God who is so loving condem people to hell, well guess what.. God is rightious
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 week ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Righteousness doesn't torture people endlessly. "When God's judgments are in the earth its inhabitants will learn righteousness."
tentmaker777 1 week ago
The bible teaches that God has wrath, jealousy, and hatred. The Creator is perfect and does not exhibit those types of human failures. It is not God' nature to send anyone to hell forever. The bible is wrong about so many things. If Jesus died to save everyone, then let's accept it and learn how to live. That is why Carlton Pearson became a new thought minister. Listen to Joel Osteen who's messages teach you how to live a spiritual life.
k0smon 2 weeks ago
there is no second chance when you are punishment.... like it or lump it..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 2 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Well, thanks for your comments. I think by your name and your comments we know all we need to know about what's in your heart. Thanks for making our position clear by the contrast.
tentmaker777 2 weeks ago 4
@tentmaker777 i find that people disagree with the bible... some people believe that God gives them a second chance.. once your dead thats it... there is no more excuses...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 2 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "His mercy endures forever."
tentmaker777 2 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "His mercy endures forever."
tentmaker777 2 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "His mercy endures forever."
tentmaker777 2 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Where are the scriptures that says there's no hope of repentance after death?
741rjohnson 2 weeks ago
@741rjohnson yikes... the bible states that a non believer is allready condmened - a christian isnt judged on wether he or she believes in Jesus but rather is judged on their works....
there is no second chance... are you a roman catholic
MrLoudmouthspeaker 2 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker First of all there is no first chance to be saved or second chance to be saved. We're not saved by chance. We're saved or redeemed by the Blood of Jesus Christ through His Faithfulness on the Cross(The Atonement).You forget that at one time you were also an unbeliever under condemnation.This is why God has concluded all of us in unbelief that he might have mercy upon all(Romans 11:32).I am not a Roman Catholic.I believe in the salvation of all mankind.
741rjohnson 2 weeks ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker you should know if you study the scripture that there is no automatic salvation for everybody... the bible tells us that we are all sinners..the bible tells us that those who dont believe in Jesus are all ready condemned to hell.. wake up eternal punishment is just that... on going. .for ever... the is no second chance after you die..
your view on theology and scripture is poor - if you are twisting the scripture for your own benefit then you will be judged harshly..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 week ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Of course God will punish those in the lake of fire. How else can His love reach them? And we're not saved by chance: We're saved by Grace(Ephesians 2:8). John 3:18 says "but he that believeth not is condemned already." Where does it say anything about being condemned to hell in this verse? You are misquoting and twisting scripture to support your belief in eternal punishment.Also show me those scriptures that say there is no hope of repentance after death? God Bless.
741rjohnson 1 week ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker - what a ignorant statement to make. You have all the answers do you?
kingfisher64 1 week ago
@kingfisher64 oh so i guess you are one of these people which believe all people will end up in paridise... that Gods punishment is simply for a matter of a limited time... ie a type of roman catholic purgatory or an islamic hell
wow.. seems like everyone shares what ever is the best view at the time..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 week ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker - For someone who is a Christian you sure do seem judgemental. I am NOT one of "those people" who believe all people will end up in paradise. However nor do I pretend to be someone who has all the answers. You have lost all credibility in my eyes with your rude, judgemental attitude. If this is how non-Christians perceive you - more damage will be done that good.
kingfisher64 1 week ago
@kingfisher64 judgemental.. yikes.. well did jesus mess around with jewish priests... answer No.. did jesus get angry and kick out the money changes in church.. answer Yes... are we told to defend and expose the false teachers and preachers of the world .. answer yes,,, did jesus ever hold back.. and bite is tounge or did jesus call a spade a spade... there is no grey in a black and white world
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 week ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker - you're not Jesus. There's a significant difference between righteous anger and whatever you project. Jesus told us to speak with love - you're attitude is that of a "know it all" - which is perceived as judgemental, offputting and just plain "i know it all".The way you get the Christian message accross is causing more damage than good. Learn to be more wise in the way you promote your beliefs - otherwise you will lose all credibility.
kingfisher64 1 week ago
@kingfisher64 what ever i project.. well read my homepage/ channel... exposing false wolves in sheeps clothing... would you rather dance around the truth or rather give people the truth of the gospel...people die for lack of knowledge.. many people in church have fallen asleep
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 week ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker - maybe your heart is good, but the way you talk to people is very poor. "Like it or lump it" - could you imagine Jesus saying that? Where is your love and compassion for people? You appear to be more interested in being right than bringing your points to people in the way Jesus said to - with love. The way you argue your points just undermimes the message.
kingfisher64 1 week ago
@kingfisher64 would you perfer to dress up the gospel, make it sound nice and frilly.. i am pointing out false teaching to false teachers and preachers theres a huge difference..people who claim to know the truth and teach it.. but teach their own version is clearly false..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 week ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker - "like it or lump it" just sounds ignorant. I don't like seeing people "promote" the gospel who appear to do more harm than good. I believe the same thing as you - however other people who don't have already dismissed your comments - due to the way you talk. Please consider the way you make your points, as you'll do more harm than good.
kingfisher64 1 week ago
@kingfisher64 when you have corupt teachings spreading a false gospel message.. you need to make people aware of whats going on.. a) their are teaching the wrong thing by accident or b) they are teaching a false gospel on purpose...
knowingly spreading a perverted gospel is totally wrong...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 week ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker - I couldn't agree more - which is why it's very important that the way you promote your beliefs. The way you do it undermines the credibility of the gospel. If the truth is spoken by a person who lables themself a loud mouth - then the credibility of that gospel is going to suffer. The way you promote the gospel lacks tact and isn't spoken in a way that Jesus asked his followers to do - with love.
kingfisher64 1 week ago
@kingfisher64 i am not aiming at those that dont know the truth rather those wolves in sheeps clothes who is twisting the scriptures and sending people to hell on purpose.. many false teachers pervert the gospel on purpose like this tentmaker clown
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 week ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker If God is Love and God loves all the time, how will God manifest that love to those in the lake of fire?
741rjohnson 5 hours ago
@741rjohnson God doesnt..
MrLoudmouthspeaker 5 hours ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker God showed Grace and mercy to you while you were still dead in sins. Why do you deny it to others? Are you that special?
741rjohnson 1 hour ago
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@MrLoudmouthspeaker If God is Love and God loves all the time, how will God manifest that love to those in the lake of fire?
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CloverfieldMonster95 9 months ago
@CloverfieldMonster95 I understand exactly what you are saying although i think this hell is a state of mind and not a literal place. i think those who died in sin will be condemned spiritually for a longer while than those who died without sin but unbelievers. Either way its temporarily and not permanent. If those who think of annihilation, it is no where in the scriptures. I'm a black southern baptist and not many African American believes in Unilateralism first time for everything.
MrPaulryan76 1 month ago
@MrPaulryan76 I meant Universal-ism not Unilateralism. Sorry!!!!
MrPaulryan76 1 month ago
@tentmaker777 I believe that was God that made those decisions. When he said "predestination" I assume he meant that we have no choice in going to either Heaven or Hell which is false. We choose that. God paves the way but we have to choose to reject the path or to follow it. I don't believe that I can just "will" myself a million dollars or "will" myself to fly, I was just talking about predestination of salvation.
CloverfieldMonster95 9 months ago
@CloverfieldMonster95 And you can't "choose" yourself to heaven either. God subjected creation to futility and God will restore it ALLLL according to His plan and purpose, not according to ours.
tentmaker777 9 months ago
@ILuvOldSchool uugghhh we have free will dude. Do not be decieved. I am actually having a discussion with somebody else right now, ironically, on Youtube. I do agree with what you said on the Trinity though. Oneness is the Truth.
CloverfieldMonster95 9 months ago
@CloverfieldMonster95 "All we like sheep have gone astray." Did you chose your parents, the country you live in, your sex, your skin color, the family that would raise you, the time in history you were born into? Can you go to the moon? Instantly raise your financial status? There are millions of things your mythical "free will" is not free to do. The bible calls us "slaves to sin." Your "free will" is a myth taught by a Dark Age Church.
tentmaker777 9 months ago
A friend of mines Uncle just passed away, and he was Roman Catholic, but when he died, he had passed away very peacefully. He was not even afraid to die. But that family is not that "Turn or Burn" Hellfire and damnation type.
judaemic 1 year ago
I Just finished reading this book. Although I appreciate Purcell's take on the errancy of the doctrine of hell, he embraces way too many other false doctrines. His defense of the catholic church is disturbing, plus he believes in the trinity and in free will. The last straw came when he declared that "God has chosen to limit the use of his unlimited power in regard to preventing evil," something he has no scripture backing for. I would not recommend this book. Hope Beyond Hell is much better
ILuvOldSchool 1 year ago
@ILuvOldSchool Glad you posted this. It's obvious that just because someone believes in universal reconciliation doesn't mean they have the full truth. But it's only because God hasn't chosen to reveal some things to some universalists. The statement about God choosing to limit the use of unlimited power is outright blasphemous though, if that is what he was really saying. and makes me want to avoid anything written by this author. Are you sure he wasn't just quoting someone?
RUABerean 1 year ago
@RUABerean No, he wasn't quoting any one but himself. He puts the belief that God creates evil in the category of spiritual abuse. A lot of the things he wrote really doesn't separate his beliefs very much from the beliefs of the church. The only thing he differs is the doctrine of eternal hell.
ILuvOldSchool 1 year ago
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Ok...so...Jesus says...i have lost none save one the son of perdition. What did he mean? where did he go?
Do you believe everyone will be in heaven or that they will just not be at all?
Thanks
pastorcal1 1 year ago
Ok...so...Jesus says...i have lost none save one the son of perdition. What did he mean? where did he go?
Do you believe everyone will be in heaven or that they will just not be at all?
Thanks
pastorcal1 1 year ago
Us Christians are superior to others, wherever we go we bring peace and prosperity (to ourselves), we have banquets out of charity funds so we can discuss small ways to help the starving and we only sin a little bit to show we're human. Our reward in heaven will be to mete out punishment to those who didn' t believe, foaming at the mouth with ecstasy whilst doing so. I'm so glad I’m good!
857frank 1 year ago
@857frank lol...thoroughly enjoyed that! I love your sense of humor, and the disturbing truth to what you have written.
lja000 2 weeks ago
Oh, I wanted to let you know, you can upload 15 min videos now.
phillip78 1 year ago
The truth get's people's feathers ruffled up. People who preach a literal hell, I call them spiritual bullies.
phillip78 1 year ago
@phillip78
Yes, the truth is ruffling some feathers, but it's also setting some people free.
tentmaker777 1 year ago
@tentmaker777 It set me free, that's for sure. However I have not believed in a literal hell for quite some time now.
phillip78 1 year ago