carrot/stick incentives....have you birthed a new political science term, or shall i consult Chomsky and see if you're brimming to the lid with shit or not? I'm guessing yes. Stop wasting your time. I'm just trying to browse youtube to hear as much of Noam as I can, and not have him interrupted by your pathetic conspiracy concoctions. Seriously, wake the fuck up
Yes, those planes were cartoons and anyone who doesn't agree is a government shill. Get a life! Maybe look at something which is interesting about 9/11, like the truck filled with explosives on the bridge.... Instead of clutching at straws with bullshit
According to Ms Rice: WTCc plane attack couldnt be expected; the towers' collapses we're told though could have been, once planes hit. Giuliani seemed to say they were coming down, contemporaneously. More than one hijack could not be expected, was baffling to FAA; but game-returns on their radar & so many excerises set same-day, could be; questioning of hijackers at boarding gate couldn't be expected, but their subsequent permission to fly, could be. All these, reality in reverse.
Serious issues that really matter: asserting democratic control over the society and the economy. Organizing. Taking over your workplace. Getting people elected to parliament/congress/legislatures and holding their feet to the fire to challenge real, visible, indisputable concentrations of power - large corporations/banks, the "moneyed elite" that Jefferson warned of. Opposing austerity measures and demanding large-scale transfers of wealth downward, instead of upward.
It's much easier to label Noam Chomsky as "working for the CIA" and a "shill" than to actually read through and understand his decades-long work, isn't it?
If anyone actually bothered to look into what Chomsky has been saying for decades, they would discover that he has consistently been opposed to U.S./Israeli imperialism and neo-liberal/disaster capitalism, factors which encompass all of the 9/11 events and the Iraq/Afghanistan wars (plus the conflicts of previous decades)
@Kubstofferson But it's easier to pretend that movie-style ancient secret societies are responsible for all global events, as part of one giant plan.
It's irrationality at its worst... you've been open minded enough to reject the mainstream, but have then signed up for this kind of speculative rubbish. What a waste
You are all being fooled by corporations who have gazillions of dollars to spend on finding ways to squeeze the very last drops out of a finite world. Trust the little guy, at least for the interim.
Hang on a minute Are you saying that Chomsky and Assange say that the official report on 911 is true and correct? If so then I no longer support either of them.Its clear to me ( and I am scientifically minded) that there's a hell of a lot un0explained and seemingly covered up when it comes to the events of 911
I for one agree with Noam Chomsky on this too. I have yet to find something where Noam Chomsky and I disagree. Maybe on taste of music.
9/11 was *not* significant compared to the attrocities that the US-American Empire has been responsible for both before and after 9/11. The truth is that now terrorism hit US. Yet USA is the biggest terrorist state before and after 9/11.
Are these ASS CLOWNS serious ?????? Chomsky is a clueless unpatriotic retard and this other fool Assange needs to have his ass kicked up between his shoulders !!!!!!!!! Chomsky ( who killed JFK ? who cares ? ) And Assange saying who cares ? He needs his ass handed to him as well they both do and then do it again .....
@desertasophy well then, how many inside job like events would you like the government to commit before you would consider the fact that those inside jobs were designed to motivate you to do something that you would otherwise would not. For example, how about the government come burn your home down every time you move some place different?
Offering an opinion on who did 9/11 is a theory.... Confirming the official story is COMPLETE BULLSHIT is not the same as offering a theory... The official story is a LIE... Building 7 wasn't hit by anything and fell free fall EXACTLY as a controlled demolition would fall... Anyone who took newtonian physics in high school and isn't a complete retard knows the building 7 explanation is complete bullshit, I don't know what happened, but I can sure as shit tell you what didn't happen...
this video is absurd. It is so difficult to actually get what the intentions of the posters are. it has become obvious to me that it intends to mess with people's minds. The last commentary says it all and if I happened to meet that particular individual, I would walk with him a while and suggest he reads self improvement literature.
Chomsky, Assange, Michael Moore, Bill Maher, and the overwhelming majority of dissenting intellectuals dismiss the inside job theory. Time to wake up, the "inside job" was the US actions abroad that provoked such response. The inside job theory distracts people from the simple facts and the real problems.
@linghun Michael Moore? and intellectual? huh! intellectual my foot..... more like a zionist shill for the globalists. In fact i'm starting to believe they all those so called "intellectuals" are Zionist shills..... TRUTH has always been a grass roots movement..... public figures on the other hand have a reputation to protect and are scared to say the most intuitive truth..... 9/11 was a pretext for an illegal war and occupation of the middle east.
@o0POSH0o if it was an inside job then who flew the planes? Remote control? Why use planes AND complex "demolition"? Why not just uncontrolled demolition? Why didn't the insurance company sue Silverstein for insurance fraud, instead plunking out billions?
@linghun 1. I think the conspirators wanted the least damage possible with the least casualties as possible, you'll also notice that they were very eager to take out sadam's government with precision; they expected the war to be over quickly. 2. In this world governments know that very few things have hard evidence to tie together events...... therefore they rely on this element to carry out false flag terror knowing full well that suspicion is all people have and not hard evidence.
All the so called "evidence" I've ever been presented is reasonable to doubt. And from what I gather, the conspiracy is enormous in nature, meaning, too many assumptions and implications. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I don't see that.
Has anyone ever thought that buildings like that could actually have integrated explosives that would be triggered to avoid collateral damage if thay ever come to get damaged to a certain extent ? Therefor saving more lives (those in the immediat suroundings of the collapsing building) ?
Yes its sad, and I take no side ... just happend to think about this ...
Any independent thinker would question Chomsky's real identity. He is inconsistent enough to make one suspect his collaboration with the gangster capitalists. Of course one has to be careful of accusing anyone in the movement to avoid further divisions. But his endorsement of Obama and democricans in view of the OWS protests, etc. and the grim state of the world (not to mention 911, JFK, etc.) at the hands of the self-destructive capitalists is so reactionary that defies any other conclusion.
As I said, Chomsky is and has always been FULL. OF. SHIT.
He's just there to sell you the idea that you are smart and can grasp smart ideas and hang around with the smart people. Like Michael Moore, he identifies and targets income streams, in his case within the intellectual community.
Go work for a puzzle company or something, jerkoff!! We need HONEST analysis, not some prick hawking his branded social identity!!
again youtube recommended crap to me. actually the cia/mossad did do 9/11. so i agree with you there. and chomsky and assange are wrong. so that's true too. but wikileaks does provide a valuable service. so you shouldn't care what he says about 9/11. it's like if you say you won't go to your doctor because he believes the official story. and chomsky made a stupid mistake or two. but he has no influence in the media anyway. you should really direct your hate towards important media figures.
Chomsky actuallly does us all a favor...being so Jewish, so typical, so obvious, so evil. The Jewish Federal Reserve killed President Kennedy, Israel carried out 9-11, and Juilan Assange is an actor. NO-ONE gets interviewed on CNN who is not working for the Jews. Jewish Larry King simply nods his head, evermore unimpressed, going along with the thinly veiled Israeli agenda. It's awesome people are starting to wake up now, because of obvious peoplde like Chomsky and Assange.
Thanks for this posting. It shocks me that Chomsky has such attitudes---Assange too, and Bill Maher....Very peculiar for how it seems to break with all their other standards of truth.
I personally agree with Chomsky, or at least his tact on this. I beleve someone as wise as him might even try and keep his actual opinion on this to himself. His tact is more important.You can whinge all you like about the thousands that died in 2001 but in the overall scheme of things the numbers are tiny. Millions die at the hands of state sponsored terrorism and hundreds of millions die due to undemocratic economics and politics. Who killed all those people is clear and more important.
Chomsky is one of the most intelligent critical thinkers on the planet. Assange is the most prominent whistle blower on the planet, they both share the same view. I think it's a view everybody should respect, why should there be some ulterior motive behind it because they don't believe in your smoke and mirrors conspiracy theory?
Chomsky is no moron so he knows 9/11 was an inside job. My theory is that he's been threatened. He has grandchildren. The CIA could arrange for some of his grandchildren to have "Accidents" if he refused to play ball.
@Cosmored This is what I thought too - he seems a bit strained? who knows, have his views changed since then? Maybe they know but ultimately know that if they endorsed such an idea about 911 they would be on a kill order list because the gloves are off then.
We know he doesn't even believe his own arguments. The question is why he says those lame things. He's either working for the dark side, or being threatened by it.
@Cosmored I've seen all the "evidence" put forth by the Truthers and all of it has been soundly debunked. You guys need to get a new hobby, seriously.
" debating with Truthers is like debating with Holocaust deniers."
I've spoken to people who lost family members in the Holocaust. The figures may have been exaggerated, but I think it happened. One way to find out would be to go spend six months in Holland talking to elderly people. If most of them say they knew jews who were taken away, then we know it happened.
@macro202 Well, it's not actually my comment, but I strongly agree with it. Actually, I'm not "an expert in demolitions as well as construction" but I have a brain and am quite well-versed in common sense; a capability that is obviously not universal. North and South towers - completely reduced to rubble - in their respective footprints - in a zero-structural-resistance, free-fall collapse due to the impact of planes in the upper floors. Building 7 - likewise - but NO PLANE. (-_-) Wake up!!
Many of the 9.11 conspiracy theorists claim that things like WikiLeaks exist to distract the public from 9/11.
Doesn't that very idea contradict itself? Perhaps it was an inside job, most likely it was not (Chomsky's logic is sound). Knowing will not change, but focusing on the issue ensures that you will remain a step behind what COULD happen next. Instead of focusing on this, we need to accept both possibilities and start anticipating what the corrupt will/could do next.
And secondly, no one (that I'm aware of (relevant to this discussion (Chomsky, Assange))) that is dispelling these 9/11 conspiracies is advocating a "forgive and forget" concept that you seem to think they do. Your egregious misunderstanding of their idea leads to OTHERS misunderstanding.
If we knew a local serial killer had killed someone 10 years ago, we would consider everyone as both a possible killer, and future victim. It's simply not worth pursuing one or the other.
@allenjasson The Twin Towers DID NOT free-fall. Christ, just look at the videos and you can plainly see debris falling at a much faster rate then the towers themselves. And they DID NOT fall into their own footprint; debris falling from the towers was spread out over more than a block, much of it hitting Tower 7.
All that aside, you mind telling me how those two towers were wired for demolition when it takes weeks, if not months, for a 10 storey building, rendering it unusable during that time?
I respect what you say about exposing the war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan - but this was hardly a revelation and was well documented elsewhere. Besides for a 'controlled opposition' to work it has to have some legitimacy. This all reminds me of when the Pentagon Papers were released in the early seventies in the wake of the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy. Viz-a-viz if there was a conspiracy - surely it would have turned up in the Pentagon Papers?
Americans generally, even those who are enlightened about the realities, still see things from a myopic USA-centred perspective. There are 6bn people on this planet of which the US population represents about 5%. The people who own and control western capitalism number in the hundreds - a percentage down among the 6 or 7 decimal places and they have a tiger by the tail. Their only hope lies in the intervening heirachy, which is fast losing faith in the moral integrity of the system.
But sometimes your enemies enemy is your friend - this is probably how Chomsky's looking at it - because if this ever came out it would totally destabilize the country - and lead god knows where. In the US the left is weak - so we might see a right-wing takeover or maybe even the break up of the country. After all, America has already suffered one civil war. Moreover, this isn't a game - the people who did this will stop at nothing. I hope you fully understand the implications.
@32peartree No implications could be worse than a global human system owned and operated by a cabal of psychopathic criminals. The forces at work are in any case dynamic and far beyond the control of the aforesaid who currently own western capitalism and the puppet strings of most governments. They are simply driving the runaway bus down the mountain and believing the illusion that the steering wheel is control. The question now is wheather they can be displaced by sane people who...
@32peartree ... are willing to apply the brakes and admit of the need for wider sharing of power ... or if we crash and burn in violence. What we are facing is a global, technologically-run feudal society in which, as in the ancient version, the human spirit of the lower orders deepens and strengthens while the aristocracy degenerates enough to lose control. It's just a sooner or later question and a choice of achieving the transition in a rational, orderly manner or by inevitable violence.
What does the 911 Truth Movement desire? An unbiased independent public investigation? How lame is that? If the system is so evil as to perpetrate 911 why wouldn't they fix the investigation - which then would inspire another host of conspiracy theories. The fact is: if the system is this rotten it needs to be taken out route and branch. If you find a cockroach in a bowl of spaghetti do you put it to one side out and continue eating the rest of the dish? Or do you throw away the whole plate.
@32peartree Society is complex. The tale of Lott and his wife pretty-much describes the scenario you are talking about and we sure are in a Sodom and Gomorrah situation right now, with a bunch of criminal psychopaths in control. The psychotic behaviour of these people has long been having a pernicious effect on the lives of all the lower sections of society (both US and globally) - this layer has no power or influence. ...
@32peartree ... But what happens when the realisation that these people pose a real and imminent threat not only to the life quality of the lower ranks but also are destroying the middle-class, irreparably damaging the planet for future generations and in fact creating global economic instability and such extreme concentration of wealth that the professional and intellectual, even some of the wealthy classes begin to lose confidence in the current status quo?
@32peartree "Confidence in the system" tends to "fade" downward from the people who own their first million dollars to the people who have nothing. As one Iraq vet said "Second time I've fought for my country, first time I've known the enemy". It's not about expecting justice from the enemy, it's about discovering who the enemy is and that tends to start happening when people lose confidence in the system. The 9/11 truth movement provides resources for the discovery process. It's accelerating.
@TheStfu1000 Good spelling would help, not least by improving my credibility - I fully agree. But people should, nevertheless concentrate on content rather than presentation - something that seems to be impossible for people raised on a diet of American TV where the presentation is utterly standardised in typical American "razzle dazzle" and the content is non-existent. Not to mention that the people who own western capitalism can't spell "colour" and think there is only one "i" in "aluminium".
@allenjasson i wouldnt classify basic spelling as presentation. it's simple an intellectual given. americans spell colour like color. thats how it's spelt in america. no right or wrong.
@TheStfu1000 I have better things to do than discuss "presentation" with someone who thinks that how things are "spelt in america" is the final word - all consideration of "right or wrong" being irrelevant. That's the core of the global problem - flag-wavers unfurling their stars and stripes behind a government run by psychopathic criminals. It's not winning them any friends among the other 5,999,968,000 people they share this planet with and seek to dominate with fireworks. We say - Game over!
@allenjasson the spelling is right in america. but not right in england for example. wow you're dense. takes a long time for you learn doesnt it? you think that america is dominating by not using other countries spelling... nuts. on topic: you guys think the creator of wikileaks which allows any citizen to post anonymously anything to anyone with a computer is part of the government and conspiring with them. YOU ARE FUCKING STUPIDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD¬DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
@allenjasson ok maybe because you're an idiot and think my whole comment was dumb jjust because of the last part (whcih is how truly feel about you) i'll help you out. read this: you guys think the creator of wikileaks which allows any citizen to post anonymously anything to anyone with a computer is part of the government and conspiring with them.you are stupid. oh and like how you have no argument to say back so you come up yet you waste your tiem trying to come up with clever sounding remarks
@TheStfu1000 you are the idiot - if you take everything at face value. Appearances are deceptive - in the 1960s their was a left-wing magazine called 'Ramparts' it was the first publication to give coverage to the JFK conspiracy theories - later it was found to be a CIA front and its proprietor, editor and most of its regular columnists (at the time all avowed lefties) ended up becoming Neo-Conservatives .
@32peartree i dont take everything at face value. i dont have a natural distrust for things either. i have my own system of ideas about all things which is heavily aided by the internet. im wondering whether you read my comment because im not the one believing these conspiracy theories.
@TheStfu1000 well in politics it pays to develop a natural distrust and what I don't trust about Assange and Chomsky is how they get a platform in the media - when most other left-wing dissidents are totally ignored and marginalized.I wouldn't expect Chomsky and Assange to back the 911 Truth movement - that would be career suicide - I just find it odd why they are denouncing it so vigorously. If they are revolutionaries as they claim - surely they'd welcome such insurrection - deluded or not..
@32peartree i'll tel you what's correct... to ignore politics. thats essentially what the libertarians do. politics is just the majority forcing the minority to do things. left is high on economic force but low on personal force and the right is vice versa. both lead to chaos and why is it that politicians are answering economical questions... they shouldnt - thats up to economists. assange gets media because he's so controversial. they just think truthers are stupid plain and simple so no back.
@TheStfu1000 The trouble is Wikileaks are not that controversial - what secrets have we learnt?That Gadaffi had a blond Ukrainian nurse and Putin is the Alpha dog of Europe. Which implies if there were anything to the 911 conspiracies - Wikileaks would have the evidence - very convenient . And why does Assange attack the credibility of the Truthers? Why doesn't he keep an open mind ? The guy is a misinformation agent - pure and simple.
@32peartree wikileaks is controversial. its how you learnt about the war crimes in afghan with the helicopter and thousands more stuff and led to riots in tunisia. it would revolutionise journalism. to say it's not controversial is wrong pure and simple as i've shown you. you dont know much about wikileaks history. wikileaks was made long after the 911 situation. assange doesnt attack teh credibility of truthers?!!! what? he simply thinks it's ludicrous the 911 inside job idea.
@FDCbadaman The bigger things going on now have been enabled by a history of war enabled by lies and such critical events as FALSE FLAG OPERATIONS. The jey to ending it all is to cut off the serpent's head. Expose the truth of 9/11. The facts are getting out and the psychopaths are getting desperate, as shown by the desperate fragility of their propaganda.
@32peartree The "Conspiracy theory" is the one about 19 hijackers coordinated from the mountains of Afghanistan and, well, yes, God told Bush to attack Iraq, isn't that right?
The American government is under the control of a group of people, the people who own western capitalism, and they are clearly psychopathic: can inflict pain suffering and injury, even death without empathy, compassion or remorse and they have no regard for law - national or international - they are criminals. It's obvious
The truth is Chomsky doesn't care about Kennedy because he would see him as an arch imperialist, who lived by the sword and ultimately died by the sword - rather like Julius Ceaser being taken out by a coterie of embittered senators. After all, Kennedy had ordered the assassination of Fidel Castro and also instigated operation Mongoose that had killed hundreds of innocent people in Cuba.
@32peartree No point speculating about why Chomsky got it wrong, the fact is, it clearly DOES matter who killed Kennedy and who did 9/11, both self evidently and for a lot of reasons that are at least as important as all of the current issues because it impinges directly on most of what's going on in a world owned and operated by criminal psychopaths who control governments and ignore both domestic and international law.
What you've got to ask yourself is why does the corporate media have such a love affair with anarchists - like the syndicalist 'occupy Wall Street'. Could it be that they don't see them as a serious threat unlike socialists, communists and paleo conservatives. Moreover, lets not forget that anarchists have a long record of cozying up to liberals - as can be presently seen on the streets of Greece - were anarchist groups are now fighting on the side of the police.
@32peartree If you are so far behind in your development of your understanding that you are still caring what the corporate media thinks, does or says about anything then you need to do quite a lot of thinking for yourself; you have a long way to go.
@32peartree The silly contention that "it's always been like this and it always will be" is not only wrong it is defeatist, nihlistic and stupid. The problem with exposing the JFK assassination as a coup was that a) the US public was super-committec to NOT believing it and b) discrtediting the official version didn't necessarily prove the government was implicated. With 9/11 the situation is different. First: the a) aspect is weakened and is weakening daily. And in the b) aspect...
@32peartree And in the b) aspect, the thoroughly discredited official version is not only disproved by the facts but also, the facts that disprove it solidly prove a scenario that conclusively implicated the government (i.e. It would not have been possible to i] get the explosives in place, ii] get NORAD stood down iii] enable "success" of the actual terrorist plot - stand down active elements of the CIA and FBI and iv] cover the tracks after the event - without active involvement of government.
If the government can kill innocent people and cause that much destruction and terror and still think it's not "significant," maybe we need to start all over..
@simplesnip3z We need to get it widely understood that 9/11 was an inside job. That requires getting the facts out and getting people to examine them and think for themselves. The rest will follow.
If Noam came out against JFK or 9/11 his days of writing books and going on lecture tours would be finished. So Noam ends up just a whore like the rest of the Disinfotainment Empire- keep the stupid Coke vs. Pepsi wars going so Noam can keep collecting royalties. Rockefellers probably whispered in his ear...
the UNEDITED version of the building 7 collapse can be found at ItWasTyped. com
see for yourself how it did NOT free fall, it collapsed progressively. Look under the 'conspiracy theory' section and find the Building 7 post. Definitive proof that conspiracy theorists are WRONG. Haha!
@katkal3 It's not clear from your comment who you are calling "dipshit", me or Chomsky; I assume you mean Chomsky. Nevertheless, I suggest you take a more considered view of things in a wider perspective. You could begin by reading some of Chomsky's work. While he's obviously wrong about 9/11 we should all just accept that, think for ourselves and be willing to examine and take on board his insights, as we do with everything - after applying our OWN assessment. Think for yourself.
@allenjasson Sorry but the only time I ever heard of this guy (Chomsky) was in this same clip saying some retarded things about him thinking that 9/11 wasn't an inside job and that gives him pretty much 0 credibility in my book.
@UnshackledMind86 So you never heard of him, never read a word he's said, but he disagrees with you on 9/11 so you grant him zero credibility. You're perfectly entitled to judge things as you like, but this sort of approach is likely to leave your opinions very fragile. In my view, Chomsky is wrong (here) because he excludes the logic of why it matters and why people care who killed JFK and who did 9/11. Free your mind of the shackles of blind prejudice, apply your own reasoning.
@UnshackledMind86 You cannot discount all things that someone says based on one thing they said. This is the kind of thinking that causes the distorted politics we have today, everyone has a myriad of opinions and Who ever you talk to will eventually say one thing you don't approve of. Be open to all thoughts, like me I do not believe truthers, but I'm willing to hear ya'll out without judging you as people, and if any of you ever provide evidence that I believe I will take it seriously, ok?
@allenjasson Dipshit is for chomsky,not you.I followed him when i was a democrat but stopped when i heard his position on the 911 attack.Couldnt stand to look at him after that.
I also noticed your labeling patriotic people. Can you explain to me your opinion on the actions of the patriotic view? To be the same as those that are tending to be misinformed or heard like cows by the mass media
@gordofats There is an important philosophical principle of UNIVERSALISM that can be undermined by "Patriotism" because the latter is all about exclusivity. (Note: "Can be" and inverted commas about Patriotism). There is nothing intrinsically wrong with taking pride in a set of cultural values, but it DOES tend to invoke the ego. A good device for propaganda is always to be found in an appeal to Patriotism; it usually brings people into the mass media "cow herd". ...
@gordofats ... That's why they called an statute "The Patriot act", the very title was propagandist. Most people, including congressmen, didn't even read it (and myself included - I'm not American). The title was enough to convince them that this was a law for the good of Patriotic Americans; a good disguise for a statute that would undermine the cnstitution and take away the rights of US citizens. A good many "patriotic" Americans are involved in global murder of civilians.
@allenjess pretty cool video. I would like to engage in some intellectual debate with you. First when you comment about how he is saying "who cares"and "it doesn't matter" I think his point is more along the lines of the fact that we can't do anything about it as I think you would agree, yes? Another words there's probably a few people still alive that know what really happened with jfk but once they're gone post secrets will be buried with them. I also noticed a comment you posted. (Next)
@gordofats I can't engage in debate with everyone on the net, sorry. But I make every effort to respond to comments when I put something out like this video (which I considered to be a conflation and analysis of information worthy of general consideration). I feel quite certain there are people alive today who know the FULL truth about JFK. I'm alive today and I know enough to know it wasn't Oswald. I think you should not conflate JUDAISM and ZIONISM (see rightofchoice^com). Good luck, keep well
@gordofats Not sure I agree with your interpretation of Chomsky's "Who Cares?". My video is obviously based on what I think is the most logical interpretation. But really, I don't think there is any construction anyone can put on the death of JFK and the perpetrators of 9/11 that could reasonably lead to the "Who cares?" conclusion. Even if we can't change the past (which is always a given) it's important to know as much as we can about what happened. Chomsky should know that.
@tee a scientist in my opinion with no bigotry behind it is a jew or someone that runs corporations that are so large their involvement stems into politics and federal branches of government like the treasury. This is definitely subjective and in no way am I being racist towards any particular group of people lookup the literal definition. I don't know if this is correct but I would say the federal reserve, a private bank is a zionist group. Peace and love all humans.
@gordofats When you use a label like "Jew" it's racism - no IFs, bo BUTs. But in terms of ANYONE becoming so possessed by GREED, CORPORATE POWER, MILITARISM and VIOLENCE or IDEOLOGY (ZIONISM is a particularly virulent ideology) they can develop a psychosis that destroys their humanity. A PSYCHOPATH is someone who can inflict pain, suffering and injury, even death without empathy, compassion or remorse. We see this reflected universally now in the direction of Western "Civilisation" from the TOP.
Comment by brokkenstar: Chomsky is old, the digging around needed for 911 is too much for him, he should stick to teaching so he doesn't come off as being callous and egotistical that it wasn't he that uncovered the truth. Assange too must suffer this same type of me, me, me mentality, and although much younger than Chomsky, he would be arrested the minute he stepped foot into the U.S.A.
@brokkenstar Personally, while I have views about Chomsky and Assange and that they are both, for whatever reason, WRONG on this matter, I am much more interested in the fact that people are too much and too easily led by "celebrities" and that, particularly in cases like this where the "celebrities" are clearly WRONG, people should use their own minds; think for themselves.
I believe Chomsky means we need to stay focused on the underlying thinking, system and policies but he moves about in academic circles and seems to forget that the average joe doesn't study these issues and the one thing that could awaken people and make them thirsty for knowledge would be to expose what happened in a single case like 9/11. Solving the mystery of 9/11 wouldn't solve THE problem but would be a catalyst for many to want to solve it. You need public awareness.
@greenguerrilla If the masses are in a condition to accept such nonsense as a) the Warren report on the assassination of JFK and b) the official version of 9/11 then they will accept anything; e.g. "war of terror necessary for freedom and democracy", "Patriot act is about patriotism", "Muslims hate our freedm" etc. When the machine that is responsible for all this is exposed there will be awakening. Without that awakening "The Problem" could go on to entirely enslave humanity.
@greenguerrilla There is a large rump of the population that is ignorant, stupid, "patriotic" and utterly enamoured of the hollywood fantasy; they are capable of creating change only when acting as a violent mob. There exists a more enlightened group (not a class - they span the entire spectrum of social class and are characterised by intelligence not wealth). They are compromised by the machine because to varying degrees they have an interest in it and lack the power to influence it...
@greenguerrilla With every day that passes they find the compromise more unpalatable, less in their interests and more inclined to coerce than seduce them. They want to believe it's better than it is. While it was obvious that the psychopaths with a lion's share of power killed Kennedy there was never an irrefutable body of factual, conclusive evidence. That body of rrefutable, factual, conclusive evidence exists for 9/11 and the "tidy" destruction of 3 buildings with 2 planes is more obvious...
@greenguerrilla ...than the "magic bullet" as evidence of a criminal violence and fraud. The 9/11 Truth Movement will produce a social chemical reaction between the "enlightened" and socially important intellectual elite and the violent mob, the mobilisation of which has hitherto always been an unpalatable option for enlightened thinkers.
Which is worse; violent upheaval or a world run by psychopathic criminals? When the facts are on the table there will be no choice to make.
When Chomsky asks, who cares who killed JFK, I take him to mean, who cares, since the damage has long been done. But if the damage was done by a vice presidents conspiracy of say 8 others willing & knowing of plan; and if all else ascribed to WWiii avoidance, and thus unwitting conspiracy; and if that were directed by Johnson post- facto - then Mr Chomsky, we need to hear your definition of "damage.". US system was open to this happening in Cold War paradigm hether it did happen or not.
@Laughingblades I don't think that's a logical conclusion. It certainly doesn't follow "clearly" from the video. Rather than spend a lot of time speculating about Chomsky and Assange it would be much more effective if people simply accepted they can be and in this instance are WRONG, go forward with that view (particularly in assessing what they have to say) and continue getting people to examine the facts of 9/11 (and JFK, AND the connections) and get people to wake up.
@allenjasson Pah, you really mean to tell me they aren't zionist shills? Next thing you'll be telling me is that heat makes metal expand and that steel is an excellent conductor of heat, and you'll try to sell me on the notion that jet fuel burning near the temperature of the sun was running down those beams and that the heat was being distributed throughout the structure and could be felt by people through the walls, and that wreckage from the towers showed that bolts had come loose from Tbeams
@Laughingblades No, I don't think I'll be trying to tell you any of that. In fact, quite the contrary. Again, I don't see any connection between this and Chomsky's assertion that it doesn't matter who killed JFK or who did 9/11 or his argument in common with Assange that it distracts from "more important issues". I can't see why we need to do anything more than say that they are WRONG and let their opinions subside. I like to think my little video makes that point well enough :-) let's move on.
@allenjasson I think there's context to be had here on JFK, Chomsky has stated his skepticism on the issue in the past then moved to immediately dismiss it's relevance, meaning he probably thinks (though he has never said) that JFK's assassination had more to it than the official story let on, but that we can never prove who did it and even if we did it wouldn't solve any of our problems so we should focus on enacting realistic social change instead. In other words, he sees JFK as a distraction.
@Laughingblades Well, what can I say? You pretty well paraphrase Chomsky and I generally agree with the other views you expressed (which seems to contradict your views about "Zionist shills"). I'm not sure here if you are taking issue with my point that we should just accept that Chomsky is WRONG, assert the case for WHY (as I have essentially done), agree to differ and "move on". I get the impression you would struggle to do that without either Chomsky's blessing or his total condemnation.
@allenjasson :3 My personal theory is that JFK was assassinated by the business elite because he was a threat to entrenched banking powers that were in the active process of buying up senators and preparing their takeover of our government. He gave quite a stirring little speech on that very issue not long before he died, a speech most people will never know about, and will never hear.
@Laughingblades I fully agree here also, except to sayI believe that JFK was murdered by the CIA in collaboration with Cuban exiles on behalf of the people who own western capitalism (demonstrated criminal psychopaths) who now own Congress, Obama, The CIA and (with their new allies - i.e. the Russian criminal mafia, Putin et al) also the KGB. The logical conclusion, evident in everything we see around us (psychotic violence and criminal fraud) is that the world is run by CRIMINAL PSYCHOPATHS.
The the editor of this piece of half baked journalistic rubbish, the white haired man in the video clips isn't Julian Assange. He has an American accent which is clearly not Assange.
@yaluobud IMHO the contention that this is an imposter for Assange is a nonsense that ranks with the contention that Paul McCartney was dead in the 1970s.
@InfinitiNetizen I was thinking exactly the same thing! That's not even Assange in the video, is everyone insane here? These 9/11 truthers are a little too nutty for me.
Thoughtful and a propos point. Inspiring this take: if CTism CT-ising as necessary and as warranted helps refine a pro-peace stance, please, folks, carry on through that discussion and research. Sometimes something like Church committee will for a moment let truth leak in. Or is that, out.
Cant believe Chomsky hasnt read enough Shakespeare to look at LBJ as dealmaker for 1963 military takeover of US - provided he can have top job, in exchange for delivery. It's so significant the Bard should have lived to write about it - then people would get it, and might have done so before 9/11. For which event Dallas, not Pearl Harbour, is the precedent - mystery attack in American streets.
@newsmanbluesman I wouldn't have thought Chomsky would need any assistance of Shakespearian dramatisation. But again, Chomsky is not the point. The point is, we DO care about who killed JFK and who did 9/11 and for very good reasons. When it's generally accepted that these were inside jobs the game changes for Western Capitalism and the politics of Western Civilisation at large and there will be a major power-shift (away from the criminal psychopaths who own Western Capitalism).
This is one of the few good things about 9-11 - it smokes out the phoney from the true. Chomsky , Tiabbi and assange show their true colours - they don't just say they are not sure or that they have an open mind - they are outright disparaging of people who find it difficult to believe that a building can fall through its own mass at near free-fall. It just smells.
@JohnsaWozHere Personally, I'm not sure we can draw any definite conclusions about Assange or Chomsky from this (other than speculative). However, we CAN recognise that BOTH of them are WRONG. 9/11 is not a distraction from "many other more important issues", it is their EPICENTRE, the taproot on which the whole enterprise grows and depends in every leaf and stem. Purging ourselves of all these problems requires the taproot exposed on the ground, drying in the sun. Then it ALL WILTS.
@allenjasson Thanks for replying - could not agree with you more. 9/11 was NOT an event which happened in isolation. Its genesis and aftermath , both domestic and foreign , are of fundamental importance not just to America but the whole world. Sadly , I don't see any mechanism which will resolve 9/11 - those in power will just sit tight until the truth movement burns itself out.
@JohnsaWozHere I understand your view and there was a time when I also believed that. Not now. If this was a US-only issue it would have gone the way of JFK but this has impacted the world. The people who own western capitalism have obviously allowed themselves to be deluded by the situation in the US, which is not the same as the world at large. Also, 9/11 Truth has established solid key facts with good science. Intelligent, educated people with power interests...
@JohnsaWozHere power interests that want a moral world and deplore the unprincipled, psychopathic criminality currently in the ascendancy due to 9/11. I think that intelligent people all over the world have seen through this fraud. I think that a continental shift is already happening, it's just masked by the FOX news type media and US military dominance - but neither of these, alone or together can maintain this situation for long; a show-down is coming and violent thugs aren't smart enough.
THE ZIONIST MEDIA...WHO DID 911 BY THE WAY, IS RAISING UP ANOTHER GOOD LITTLE GENIUS WHO GIVE THE ESTABLISHMENT SUCH HEADACHES, BUT STRANGELY AGREES WITH THE GOVERNMENT ON THE HUGE ISSUES USING NO LOGIC WHATSOEVER. HMMMM. ASSANGE AND DIRTBAG CHUMPSKY KNOWS WHO BUTTERS THEIR BISCUIT, OR, BANK ACCOUNT RATHER. THESE GUYS SHOULD GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY, AMERICA. WE KNOW WHO DID THIS. watch MOSSAD CAUGHT IN VAN ON 9-11 "FILLED WITH EXPLOSIVES" GW BRIDGE.... this vid will show you.
@sssssjjjj1 As it happens, I heard this recording more than three year ago. I also have no illusions about the mass media and I'm sure there is no-one in this video either, who harbours any illusions. NOTE: Prior and during WW2 the NYT (Jewish owned) suppressed news of the Holocaust. It's a key to what's happening in the US. Note also - not all Jews are zionists. Zionists are happy to watch their bretheren burn for the Zionist cause. Judaism is not Zionism.
@sssssjjjj1 The People Who Own Western Capitalism own the butter dish that "butters EVERYONE's Biscuit" - even yours @sssssjjjj1 - that's what makes this a tough game - not to mention that they are, for the most part, psychopathic criminals who can INFLICT PAIN, SUFFERING, INJURY, EVEN DEATH WITHOUT EMPATHY, COMPASSION OR REMORSE - on their enemies and parted friends, at home or abroad. They own the media, the government, the secret services and military - AND YOUR LIVELIHOOD. QED Brother!
THEY DIDN'T FOOL THE MASS MEDIA YOU BASTARD....HAHAHA THE MASS MEDIA WAS 100% INVOLVED. watch this, and don't shy away, on youtube MOSSAD CAUGHT IN VAN ON 9-11 "FILLED WITH EXPLOSIVES" GW BRIDGE.
When it does become an internationally accepted and inescapable fact that 9/11 was an inside job (as for many of us, especially those of 9/11 Truth, it already is), and not some "crazy religion that loves the thought of death" the disneyland fantasy existence of people like @44warjunkie falls apart. THAT's THE FACT of it!
Most Americans have been reduced to a condition just like @44warjunkie (appropriately named) who believes that 9/11 was the work of some "crazy religion that loves the thought of death".
All you 9/11 truthers will die trying to prove what? Ok, lets say the CIA/Israelis whatever were responsible and not a crazy religion that loves the thought of death, now what? Aren't you going to do something about it? Start a revolution or shut the fuck up and go to work, pay your taxes, and live your own life.
@44warjunkie The biggest problem faced by 9/11 Truth (in fact, if the situation at root of this problem did not exist 9/11 Truth would not exist) is that most Americans have been reduced to a condition like yours 44warjunkie. For people like you, when it does become an internationally accepted and inescapable fact that 9/11 was an inside job (as for many of us it already is), and not some "crazy religion that loves the thought of death" the disneyland fantasy of your existence falls apart.
@44warjunkie The biggest problem faced by 9/11 Truth (in fact, if the situation at root of this problem did not exist 9/11 Truth would not exist) is that most Americans have been reduced to a condition like yours. For people like you, when it does become an internationally accepted and inescapable fact that 9/11 was an inside job (as for many of us it already is), and not some "crazy religion that loves the thought of death" the disneyland fantasy of your existence falls apart.
@44warjunkie The fact is that most Americans have been reduced to a condition like yours 44warjunkie. For people in this condition, when it does become an internationally accepted and inescapable fact that 9/11 was an inside job (as for many of us it already is), and not some "crazy religion that loves the thought of death" the disneyland fantasy of your existence falls apart. THAT's THE FACT!
carrot/stick incentives....have you birthed a new political science term, or shall i consult Chomsky and see if you're brimming to the lid with shit or not? I'm guessing yes. Stop wasting your time. I'm just trying to browse youtube to hear as much of Noam as I can, and not have him interrupted by your pathetic conspiracy concoctions. Seriously, wake the fuck up
beethovenfan3 1 day ago
Yes, those planes were cartoons and anyone who doesn't agree is a government shill. Get a life! Maybe look at something which is interesting about 9/11, like the truck filled with explosives on the bridge.... Instead of clutching at straws with bullshit
DaPs166 1 day ago
According to Ms Rice: WTCc plane attack couldnt be expected; the towers' collapses we're told though could have been, once planes hit. Giuliani seemed to say they were coming down, contemporaneously. More than one hijack could not be expected, was baffling to FAA; but game-returns on their radar & so many excerises set same-day, could be; questioning of hijackers at boarding gate couldn't be expected, but their subsequent permission to fly, could be. All these, reality in reverse.
newsmanbluesman 2 days ago
Serious issues that really matter: asserting democratic control over the society and the economy. Organizing. Taking over your workplace. Getting people elected to parliament/congress/legislatures and holding their feet to the fire to challenge real, visible, indisputable concentrations of power - large corporations/banks, the "moneyed elite" that Jefferson warned of. Opposing austerity measures and demanding large-scale transfers of wealth downward, instead of upward.
donteatthefishsticks 1 week ago
It's much easier to label Noam Chomsky as "working for the CIA" and a "shill" than to actually read through and understand his decades-long work, isn't it?
If anyone actually bothered to look into what Chomsky has been saying for decades, they would discover that he has consistently been opposed to U.S./Israeli imperialism and neo-liberal/disaster capitalism, factors which encompass all of the 9/11 events and the Iraq/Afghanistan wars (plus the conflicts of previous decades)
Kubstofferson 1 week ago
@Kubstofferson But it's easier to pretend that movie-style ancient secret societies are responsible for all global events, as part of one giant plan.
It's irrationality at its worst... you've been open minded enough to reject the mainstream, but have then signed up for this kind of speculative rubbish. What a waste
Kubstofferson 1 week ago
These opinions are baloney. I think it's you who is probably working for the CIA.
DKDiddley 1 week ago
I'm sure you're a moon landing hoax believer too. It's exactly the same caliber, the same amount of "proof" for it out there, it fits you.
heloizyjhenifer 1 week ago
Chomsky says ...even if its true .....who cares....what a tool in the box of the globalists
energyvortex1000 1 week ago
You are all being fooled by corporations who have gazillions of dollars to spend on finding ways to squeeze the very last drops out of a finite world. Trust the little guy, at least for the interim.
SupercellKid 2 weeks ago
Hang on a minute Are you saying that Chomsky and Assange say that the official report on 911 is true and correct? If so then I no longer support either of them.Its clear to me ( and I am scientifically minded) that there's a hell of a lot un0explained and seemingly covered up when it comes to the events of 911
SupercellKid 2 weeks ago
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zedonutube 1 week ago
I for one agree with Noam Chomsky on this too. I have yet to find something where Noam Chomsky and I disagree. Maybe on taste of music.
9/11 was *not* significant compared to the attrocities that the US-American Empire has been responsible for both before and after 9/11. The truth is that now terrorism hit US. Yet USA is the biggest terrorist state before and after 9/11.
RSFO 2 weeks ago
Are these ASS CLOWNS serious ?????? Chomsky is a clueless unpatriotic retard and this other fool Assange needs to have his ass kicked up between his shoulders !!!!!!!!! Chomsky ( who killed JFK ? who cares ? ) And Assange saying who cares ? He needs his ass handed to him as well they both do and then do it again .....
nicklebag666420 2 weeks ago
that's not Julian Assange lmao
eujeeves 2 weeks ago
@desertasophy well then, how many inside job like events would you like the government to commit before you would consider the fact that those inside jobs were designed to motivate you to do something that you would otherwise would not. For example, how about the government come burn your home down every time you move some place different?
o0POSH0o 3 weeks ago
Offering an opinion on who did 9/11 is a theory.... Confirming the official story is COMPLETE BULLSHIT is not the same as offering a theory... The official story is a LIE... Building 7 wasn't hit by anything and fell free fall EXACTLY as a controlled demolition would fall... Anyone who took newtonian physics in high school and isn't a complete retard knows the building 7 explanation is complete bullshit, I don't know what happened, but I can sure as shit tell you what didn't happen...
12gdemos 3 weeks ago
this video is absurd. It is so difficult to actually get what the intentions of the posters are. it has become obvious to me that it intends to mess with people's minds. The last commentary says it all and if I happened to meet that particular individual, I would walk with him a while and suggest he reads self improvement literature.
miteaus 4 weeks ago
seems to me that this video is purposefully edited and so we cannot possibly take from it Chomsky's meaning.
miteaus 4 weeks ago
Chomsky, Assange, Michael Moore, Bill Maher, and the overwhelming majority of dissenting intellectuals dismiss the inside job theory. Time to wake up, the "inside job" was the US actions abroad that provoked such response. The inside job theory distracts people from the simple facts and the real problems.
linghun 1 month ago
@linghun Michael Moore? and intellectual? huh! intellectual my foot..... more like a zionist shill for the globalists. In fact i'm starting to believe they all those so called "intellectuals" are Zionist shills..... TRUTH has always been a grass roots movement..... public figures on the other hand have a reputation to protect and are scared to say the most intuitive truth..... 9/11 was a pretext for an illegal war and occupation of the middle east.
o0POSH0o 3 weeks ago
@o0POSH0o if it was an inside job then who flew the planes? Remote control? Why use planes AND complex "demolition"? Why not just uncontrolled demolition? Why didn't the insurance company sue Silverstein for insurance fraud, instead plunking out billions?
linghun 3 weeks ago
@linghun 1. I think the conspirators wanted the least damage possible with the least casualties as possible, you'll also notice that they were very eager to take out sadam's government with precision; they expected the war to be over quickly. 2. In this world governments know that very few things have hard evidence to tie together events...... therefore they rely on this element to carry out false flag terror knowing full well that suspicion is all people have and not hard evidence.
o0POSH0o 3 weeks ago
Sorry but Chomsky is right... in my humble opinion.
CraigSips 1 month ago
All the so called "evidence" I've ever been presented is reasonable to doubt. And from what I gather, the conspiracy is enormous in nature, meaning, too many assumptions and implications. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I don't see that.
stealspell 1 month ago
Has anyone ever thought that buildings like that could actually have integrated explosives that would be triggered to avoid collateral damage if thay ever come to get damaged to a certain extent ? Therefor saving more lives (those in the immediat suroundings of the collapsing building) ?
Yes its sad, and I take no side ... just happend to think about this ...
P5ykoOHD 1 month ago
Any independent thinker would question Chomsky's real identity. He is inconsistent enough to make one suspect his collaboration with the gangster capitalists. Of course one has to be careful of accusing anyone in the movement to avoid further divisions. But his endorsement of Obama and democricans in view of the OWS protests, etc. and the grim state of the world (not to mention 911, JFK, etc.) at the hands of the self-destructive capitalists is so reactionary that defies any other conclusion.
Evolving001 1 month ago
Who cares who killed JFK.
As I said, Chomsky is and has always been FULL. OF. SHIT.
He's just there to sell you the idea that you are smart and can grasp smart ideas and hang around with the smart people. Like Michael Moore, he identifies and targets income streams, in his case within the intellectual community.
Go work for a puzzle company or something, jerkoff!! We need HONEST analysis, not some prick hawking his branded social identity!!
beggarz 1 month ago
Chomsky is and has always been full of shit.
beggarz 1 month ago
the idea that chomsky would disregard so much with so little assumes interference.
elitist puppet extraordinaire?
who knows?
good video.
alaric63 1 month ago
again youtube recommended crap to me. actually the cia/mossad did do 9/11. so i agree with you there. and chomsky and assange are wrong. so that's true too. but wikileaks does provide a valuable service. so you shouldn't care what he says about 9/11. it's like if you say you won't go to your doctor because he believes the official story. and chomsky made a stupid mistake or two. but he has no influence in the media anyway. you should really direct your hate towards important media figures.
odunne2 1 month ago
Chomsky actuallly does us all a favor...being so Jewish, so typical, so obvious, so evil. The Jewish Federal Reserve killed President Kennedy, Israel carried out 9-11, and Juilan Assange is an actor. NO-ONE gets interviewed on CNN who is not working for the Jews. Jewish Larry King simply nods his head, evermore unimpressed, going along with the thinly veiled Israeli agenda. It's awesome people are starting to wake up now, because of obvious peoplde like Chomsky and Assange.
worldphilosopher101 1 month ago
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nickanaful 1 month ago
Thanks for this posting. It shocks me that Chomsky has such attitudes---Assange too, and Bill Maher....Very peculiar for how it seems to break with all their other standards of truth.
Dionysos37 1 month ago
Who cares, about Chomsky...
souplovesongs 2 months ago
I personally agree with Chomsky, or at least his tact on this. I beleve someone as wise as him might even try and keep his actual opinion on this to himself. His tact is more important.You can whinge all you like about the thousands that died in 2001 but in the overall scheme of things the numbers are tiny. Millions die at the hands of state sponsored terrorism and hundreds of millions die due to undemocratic economics and politics. Who killed all those people is clear and more important.
senorfreebie 2 months ago 3
Chomsky is one of the most intelligent critical thinkers on the planet. Assange is the most prominent whistle blower on the planet, they both share the same view. I think it's a view everybody should respect, why should there be some ulterior motive behind it because they don't believe in your smoke and mirrors conspiracy theory?
peterlikesthis 2 months ago 2
Who Care? Are you kidding Chomsky? This just reversed and cleared my view on these two cowards and who knows they might be agents!
elanky420 2 months ago
Chomsky is no moron so he knows 9/11 was an inside job. My theory is that he's been threatened. He has grandchildren. The CIA could arrange for some of his grandchildren to have "Accidents" if he refused to play ball.
Cosmored 3 months ago
@Cosmored This is what I thought too - he seems a bit strained? who knows, have his views changed since then? Maybe they know but ultimately know that if they endorsed such an idea about 911 they would be on a kill order list because the gloves are off then.
interesting
lukeoca 2 months ago
@lukeoca
Chomsky's not the only one. There are other anti-establishment pundits who say similar things. Here's a thread I started on this subject.
s1 (dot) zetaboards (dot) com/LooseChangeForums/topic/3761668/1/
Cosmored 2 months ago
@Cosmored You know what I think? I think your tin foil hat is on too tight, you loser freak.
severedtesticles 2 months ago
@severedtesticles
"your tin foil hat is on too tight"
Chomsky's no moron and he says 9/11 wasn't an inside job when it was. Here's a link so a partial summary of the evidence in case you haven't seen it.
spurstalk (dot) com/forums/showthread (dot) php?t=144746
We know he doesn't even believe his own arguments. The question is why he says those lame things. He's either working for the dark side, or being threatened by it.
Cosmored 2 months ago 2
@Cosmored I've seen all the "evidence" put forth by the Truthers and all of it has been soundly debunked. You guys need to get a new hobby, seriously.
severedtesticles 2 months ago
@severedtesticles
Why don't you come over to this thread...
spurstalk (dot) com/forums/showthread (dot) php?t=144746
...and we can talk about the actual evidence?
Cosmored 2 months ago
@Cosmored because debating with Truthers is like debating with Holocaust deniers.
severedtesticles 2 months ago
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@severedtesticles
" debating with Truthers is like debating with Holocaust deniers."
I've spoken to people who lost family members in the Holocaust. The figures may have been exaggerated, but I think it happened. One way to find out would be to go spend six months in Holland talking to elderly people. If most of them say they knew jews who were taken away, then we know it happened.
Cosmored 2 months ago
@severedtesticles lol did you go to 911debunked (dot) org?
eujeeves 1 month ago
I CAN'T BELIEVE CHOMSKY SAID " WHO CARES WHO KILLED JFK"?
PURELOVECREW 3 months ago
@PURELOVECREW
RIP JFK 11-22-63; the beginning of the long war at home and abroad.
RPenta 2 months ago
@allenjasson my accent being..?
carpet691 3 months ago
7:55 "Huge buildings do not collapse in free fall for no reason"
I see you are clearly an expert in demolitions as well as construction.
O_O see the problem?
macro202 3 months ago 2
@macro202 Well, it's not actually my comment, but I strongly agree with it. Actually, I'm not "an expert in demolitions as well as construction" but I have a brain and am quite well-versed in common sense; a capability that is obviously not universal. North and South towers - completely reduced to rubble - in their respective footprints - in a zero-structural-resistance, free-fall collapse due to the impact of planes in the upper floors. Building 7 - likewise - but NO PLANE. (-_-) Wake up!!
allenjasson 3 months ago 12
@allenjasson reduced to fine dust!
souplovesongs 2 months ago
@allenjasson
Many of the 9.11 conspiracy theorists claim that things like WikiLeaks exist to distract the public from 9/11.
Doesn't that very idea contradict itself? Perhaps it was an inside job, most likely it was not (Chomsky's logic is sound). Knowing will not change, but focusing on the issue ensures that you will remain a step behind what COULD happen next. Instead of focusing on this, we need to accept both possibilities and start anticipating what the corrupt will/could do next.
ItsmeThemanhimself 2 months ago
And secondly, no one (that I'm aware of (relevant to this discussion (Chomsky, Assange))) that is dispelling these 9/11 conspiracies is advocating a "forgive and forget" concept that you seem to think they do. Your egregious misunderstanding of their idea leads to OTHERS misunderstanding.
If we knew a local serial killer had killed someone 10 years ago, we would consider everyone as both a possible killer, and future victim. It's simply not worth pursuing one or the other.
ItsmeThemanhimself 2 months ago
@allenjasson The Twin Towers DID NOT free-fall. Christ, just look at the videos and you can plainly see debris falling at a much faster rate then the towers themselves. And they DID NOT fall into their own footprint; debris falling from the towers was spread out over more than a block, much of it hitting Tower 7.
All that aside, you mind telling me how those two towers were wired for demolition when it takes weeks, if not months, for a 10 storey building, rendering it unusable during that time?
severedtesticles 2 months ago
your accent is no cover of your stupidity
carpet691 3 months ago
@carpet691 Yours, on the other hand is universally associated with it.
allenjasson 3 months ago 12
@carpet691, I think you are very out of touch!
Wake up!
zedonutube 1 week ago
I respect what you say about exposing the war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan - but this was hardly a revelation and was well documented elsewhere. Besides for a 'controlled opposition' to work it has to have some legitimacy. This all reminds me of when the Pentagon Papers were released in the early seventies in the wake of the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy. Viz-a-viz if there was a conspiracy - surely it would have turned up in the Pentagon Papers?
32peartree 3 months ago
Americans generally, even those who are enlightened about the realities, still see things from a myopic USA-centred perspective. There are 6bn people on this planet of which the US population represents about 5%. The people who own and control western capitalism number in the hundreds - a percentage down among the 6 or 7 decimal places and they have a tiger by the tail. Their only hope lies in the intervening heirachy, which is fast losing faith in the moral integrity of the system.
allenjasson 3 months ago
But sometimes your enemies enemy is your friend - this is probably how Chomsky's looking at it - because if this ever came out it would totally destabilize the country - and lead god knows where. In the US the left is weak - so we might see a right-wing takeover or maybe even the break up of the country. After all, America has already suffered one civil war. Moreover, this isn't a game - the people who did this will stop at nothing. I hope you fully understand the implications.
32peartree 3 months ago
@32peartree No implications could be worse than a global human system owned and operated by a cabal of psychopathic criminals. The forces at work are in any case dynamic and far beyond the control of the aforesaid who currently own western capitalism and the puppet strings of most governments. They are simply driving the runaway bus down the mountain and believing the illusion that the steering wheel is control. The question now is wheather they can be displaced by sane people who...
allenjasson 3 months ago
@32peartree ... are willing to apply the brakes and admit of the need for wider sharing of power ... or if we crash and burn in violence. What we are facing is a global, technologically-run feudal society in which, as in the ancient version, the human spirit of the lower orders deepens and strengthens while the aristocracy degenerates enough to lose control. It's just a sooner or later question and a choice of achieving the transition in a rational, orderly manner or by inevitable violence.
allenjasson 3 months ago
What does the 911 Truth Movement desire? An unbiased independent public investigation? How lame is that? If the system is so evil as to perpetrate 911 why wouldn't they fix the investigation - which then would inspire another host of conspiracy theories. The fact is: if the system is this rotten it needs to be taken out route and branch. If you find a cockroach in a bowl of spaghetti do you put it to one side out and continue eating the rest of the dish? Or do you throw away the whole plate.
32peartree 3 months ago
@32peartree Society is complex. The tale of Lott and his wife pretty-much describes the scenario you are talking about and we sure are in a Sodom and Gomorrah situation right now, with a bunch of criminal psychopaths in control. The psychotic behaviour of these people has long been having a pernicious effect on the lives of all the lower sections of society (both US and globally) - this layer has no power or influence. ...
allenjasson 3 months ago
@32peartree ... But what happens when the realisation that these people pose a real and imminent threat not only to the life quality of the lower ranks but also are destroying the middle-class, irreparably damaging the planet for future generations and in fact creating global economic instability and such extreme concentration of wealth that the professional and intellectual, even some of the wealthy classes begin to lose confidence in the current status quo?
allenjasson 3 months ago
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32peartree 3 months ago
@32peartree "Confidence in the system" tends to "fade" downward from the people who own their first million dollars to the people who have nothing. As one Iraq vet said "Second time I've fought for my country, first time I've known the enemy". It's not about expecting justice from the enemy, it's about discovering who the enemy is and that tends to start happening when people lose confidence in the system. The 9/11 truth movement provides resources for the discovery process. It's accelerating.
allenjasson 3 months ago
can you please get some fucking spelling right. you must have made this video in about an hour or less.
TheStfu1000 3 months ago
@TheStfu1000 Good spelling would help, not least by improving my credibility - I fully agree. But people should, nevertheless concentrate on content rather than presentation - something that seems to be impossible for people raised on a diet of American TV where the presentation is utterly standardised in typical American "razzle dazzle" and the content is non-existent. Not to mention that the people who own western capitalism can't spell "colour" and think there is only one "i" in "aluminium".
allenjasson 3 months ago
@allenjasson i wouldnt classify basic spelling as presentation. it's simple an intellectual given. americans spell colour like color. thats how it's spelt in america. no right or wrong.
TheStfu1000 3 months ago
@TheStfu1000 I have better things to do than discuss "presentation" with someone who thinks that how things are "spelt in america" is the final word - all consideration of "right or wrong" being irrelevant. That's the core of the global problem - flag-wavers unfurling their stars and stripes behind a government run by psychopathic criminals. It's not winning them any friends among the other 5,999,968,000 people they share this planet with and seek to dominate with fireworks. We say - Game over!
allenjasson 3 months ago
@allenjasson the spelling is right in america. but not right in england for example. wow you're dense. takes a long time for you learn doesnt it? you think that america is dominating by not using other countries spelling... nuts. on topic: you guys think the creator of wikileaks which allows any citizen to post anonymously anything to anyone with a computer is part of the government and conspiring with them. YOU ARE FUCKING STUPIDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD¬DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
TheStfu1000 3 months ago
@TheStfu1000 Your comments speak for themselves and tacitly express anything I would have to say about them. Good luck.
allenjasson 3 months ago
@allenjasson ok maybe because you're an idiot and think my whole comment was dumb jjust because of the last part (whcih is how truly feel about you) i'll help you out. read this: you guys think the creator of wikileaks which allows any citizen to post anonymously anything to anyone with a computer is part of the government and conspiring with them.you are stupid. oh and like how you have no argument to say back so you come up yet you waste your tiem trying to come up with clever sounding remarks
TheStfu1000 3 months ago
@TheStfu1000 you are the idiot - if you take everything at face value. Appearances are deceptive - in the 1960s their was a left-wing magazine called 'Ramparts' it was the first publication to give coverage to the JFK conspiracy theories - later it was found to be a CIA front and its proprietor, editor and most of its regular columnists (at the time all avowed lefties) ended up becoming Neo-Conservatives .
32peartree 3 months ago
@32peartree i dont take everything at face value. i dont have a natural distrust for things either. i have my own system of ideas about all things which is heavily aided by the internet. im wondering whether you read my comment because im not the one believing these conspiracy theories.
TheStfu1000 3 months ago
@TheStfu1000 well in politics it pays to develop a natural distrust and what I don't trust about Assange and Chomsky is how they get a platform in the media - when most other left-wing dissidents are totally ignored and marginalized.I wouldn't expect Chomsky and Assange to back the 911 Truth movement - that would be career suicide - I just find it odd why they are denouncing it so vigorously. If they are revolutionaries as they claim - surely they'd welcome such insurrection - deluded or not..
32peartree 3 months ago
@32peartree i'll tel you what's correct... to ignore politics. thats essentially what the libertarians do. politics is just the majority forcing the minority to do things. left is high on economic force but low on personal force and the right is vice versa. both lead to chaos and why is it that politicians are answering economical questions... they shouldnt - thats up to economists. assange gets media because he's so controversial. they just think truthers are stupid plain and simple so no back.
TheStfu1000 3 months ago
@TheStfu1000 The trouble is Wikileaks are not that controversial - what secrets have we learnt?That Gadaffi had a blond Ukrainian nurse and Putin is the Alpha dog of Europe. Which implies if there were anything to the 911 conspiracies - Wikileaks would have the evidence - very convenient . And why does Assange attack the credibility of the Truthers? Why doesn't he keep an open mind ? The guy is a misinformation agent - pure and simple.
32peartree 3 months ago
@32peartree wikileaks is controversial. its how you learnt about the war crimes in afghan with the helicopter and thousands more stuff and led to riots in tunisia. it would revolutionise journalism. to say it's not controversial is wrong pure and simple as i've shown you. you dont know much about wikileaks history. wikileaks was made long after the 911 situation. assange doesnt attack teh credibility of truthers?!!! what? he simply thinks it's ludicrous the 911 inside job idea.
TheStfu1000 3 months ago
9/11 WAS INSIDE JOB...BUT THERE IS BIGGER THINGS GOING ON NOW...WAKE UP ITS A FIGHT FOR MINDS AND SOULS....PEACE
FDCbadaman 3 months ago
@FDCbadaman The bigger things going on now have been enabled by a history of war enabled by lies and such critical events as FALSE FLAG OPERATIONS. The jey to ending it all is to cut off the serpent's head. Expose the truth of 9/11. The facts are getting out and the psychopaths are getting desperate, as shown by the desperate fragility of their propaganda.
allenjasson 3 months ago
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32peartree 3 months ago
@32peartree The "Conspiracy theory" is the one about 19 hijackers coordinated from the mountains of Afghanistan and, well, yes, God told Bush to attack Iraq, isn't that right?
The American government is under the control of a group of people, the people who own western capitalism, and they are clearly psychopathic: can inflict pain suffering and injury, even death without empathy, compassion or remorse and they have no regard for law - national or international - they are criminals. It's obvious
allenjasson 3 months ago
The truth is Chomsky doesn't care about Kennedy because he would see him as an arch imperialist, who lived by the sword and ultimately died by the sword - rather like Julius Ceaser being taken out by a coterie of embittered senators. After all, Kennedy had ordered the assassination of Fidel Castro and also instigated operation Mongoose that had killed hundreds of innocent people in Cuba.
32peartree 3 months ago
@32peartree No point speculating about why Chomsky got it wrong, the fact is, it clearly DOES matter who killed Kennedy and who did 9/11, both self evidently and for a lot of reasons that are at least as important as all of the current issues because it impinges directly on most of what's going on in a world owned and operated by criminal psychopaths who control governments and ignore both domestic and international law.
allenjasson 3 months ago
What you've got to ask yourself is why does the corporate media have such a love affair with anarchists - like the syndicalist 'occupy Wall Street'. Could it be that they don't see them as a serious threat unlike socialists, communists and paleo conservatives. Moreover, lets not forget that anarchists have a long record of cozying up to liberals - as can be presently seen on the streets of Greece - were anarchist groups are now fighting on the side of the police.
32peartree 3 months ago
@32peartree If you are so far behind in your development of your understanding that you are still caring what the corporate media thinks, does or says about anything then you need to do quite a lot of thinking for yourself; you have a long way to go.
allenjasson 3 months ago
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32peartree 3 months ago
@32peartree The silly contention that "it's always been like this and it always will be" is not only wrong it is defeatist, nihlistic and stupid. The problem with exposing the JFK assassination as a coup was that a) the US public was super-committec to NOT believing it and b) discrtediting the official version didn't necessarily prove the government was implicated. With 9/11 the situation is different. First: the a) aspect is weakened and is weakening daily. And in the b) aspect...
allenjasson 3 months ago
@32peartree And in the b) aspect, the thoroughly discredited official version is not only disproved by the facts but also, the facts that disprove it solidly prove a scenario that conclusively implicated the government (i.e. It would not have been possible to i] get the explosives in place, ii] get NORAD stood down iii] enable "success" of the actual terrorist plot - stand down active elements of the CIA and FBI and iv] cover the tracks after the event - without active involvement of government.
allenjasson 3 months ago
If the government can kill innocent people and cause that much destruction and terror and still think it's not "significant," maybe we need to start all over..
simplesnip3z 3 months ago
@simplesnip3z We need to get it widely understood that 9/11 was an inside job. That requires getting the facts out and getting people to examine them and think for themselves. The rest will follow.
allenjasson 3 months ago
If Noam came out against JFK or 9/11 his days of writing books and going on lecture tours would be finished. So Noam ends up just a whore like the rest of the Disinfotainment Empire- keep the stupid Coke vs. Pepsi wars going so Noam can keep collecting royalties. Rockefellers probably whispered in his ear...
tomsatriano 3 months ago
@tomsatriano So the logic is "We need to lie a little in order to maintain our credibility".
allenjasson 3 months ago
Whaaaat? That's not Assange!?
cyclonedorothy 3 months ago
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culturebully3 3 months ago
Elitist pigs, coming out of the woodwork these days.....
this is yet another example.
I mean....lol.. chomsky.. is no moron.
and no person with an an average intelligence quotient who hasn't suffered from direct blows to the frontal lobe,
can say, with a straight face,
"yup, inside job, no doubt about it.'
(most will not however, rather will give mundane avoiding points and answers)
No, I am of the opinion, that we know nothing about mr.chompski,
smart guy, not a nice guy maybe.
alaric63 4 months ago
Who cares, dipshit? Well, obviously you dont. Im done with this fool.
katkal3 4 months ago
@katkal3 It's not clear from your comment who you are calling "dipshit", me or Chomsky; I assume you mean Chomsky. Nevertheless, I suggest you take a more considered view of things in a wider perspective. You could begin by reading some of Chomsky's work. While he's obviously wrong about 9/11 we should all just accept that, think for ourselves and be willing to examine and take on board his insights, as we do with everything - after applying our OWN assessment. Think for yourself.
allenjasson 4 months ago
@allenjasson Sorry but the only time I ever heard of this guy (Chomsky) was in this same clip saying some retarded things about him thinking that 9/11 wasn't an inside job and that gives him pretty much 0 credibility in my book.
UnshackledMind86 4 months ago
@UnshackledMind86 So you never heard of him, never read a word he's said, but he disagrees with you on 9/11 so you grant him zero credibility. You're perfectly entitled to judge things as you like, but this sort of approach is likely to leave your opinions very fragile. In my view, Chomsky is wrong (here) because he excludes the logic of why it matters and why people care who killed JFK and who did 9/11. Free your mind of the shackles of blind prejudice, apply your own reasoning.
allenjasson 4 months ago 2
@UnshackledMind86 You cannot discount all things that someone says based on one thing they said. This is the kind of thinking that causes the distorted politics we have today, everyone has a myriad of opinions and Who ever you talk to will eventually say one thing you don't approve of. Be open to all thoughts, like me I do not believe truthers, but I'm willing to hear ya'll out without judging you as people, and if any of you ever provide evidence that I believe I will take it seriously, ok?
Larazoma 4 months ago
@allenjasson Dipshit is for chomsky,not you.I followed him when i was a democrat but stopped when i heard his position on the 911 attack.Couldnt stand to look at him after that.
katkal3 4 months ago
I also noticed your labeling patriotic people. Can you explain to me your opinion on the actions of the patriotic view? To be the same as those that are tending to be misinformed or heard like cows by the mass media
gordofats 4 months ago
@gordofats There is an important philosophical principle of UNIVERSALISM that can be undermined by "Patriotism" because the latter is all about exclusivity. (Note: "Can be" and inverted commas about Patriotism). There is nothing intrinsically wrong with taking pride in a set of cultural values, but it DOES tend to invoke the ego. A good device for propaganda is always to be found in an appeal to Patriotism; it usually brings people into the mass media "cow herd". ...
allenjasson 4 months ago
@gordofats ... That's why they called an statute "The Patriot act", the very title was propagandist. Most people, including congressmen, didn't even read it (and myself included - I'm not American). The title was enough to convince them that this was a law for the good of Patriotic Americans; a good disguise for a statute that would undermine the cnstitution and take away the rights of US citizens. A good many "patriotic" Americans are involved in global murder of civilians.
allenjasson 4 months ago
@allenjess pretty cool video. I would like to engage in some intellectual debate with you. First when you comment about how he is saying "who cares"and "it doesn't matter" I think his point is more along the lines of the fact that we can't do anything about it as I think you would agree, yes? Another words there's probably a few people still alive that know what really happened with jfk but once they're gone post secrets will be buried with them. I also noticed a comment you posted. (Next)
gordofats 4 months ago
@gordofats I can't engage in debate with everyone on the net, sorry. But I make every effort to respond to comments when I put something out like this video (which I considered to be a conflation and analysis of information worthy of general consideration). I feel quite certain there are people alive today who know the FULL truth about JFK. I'm alive today and I know enough to know it wasn't Oswald. I think you should not conflate JUDAISM and ZIONISM (see rightofchoice^com). Good luck, keep well
allenjasson 4 months ago
@gordofats Not sure I agree with your interpretation of Chomsky's "Who Cares?". My video is obviously based on what I think is the most logical interpretation. But really, I don't think there is any construction anyone can put on the death of JFK and the perpetrators of 9/11 that could reasonably lead to the "Who cares?" conclusion. Even if we can't change the past (which is always a given) it's important to know as much as we can about what happened. Chomsky should know that.
allenjasson 4 months ago
@tee in the beginning of my type I put scientist I meant zionist
gordofats 4 months ago
@tee a scientist in my opinion with no bigotry behind it is a jew or someone that runs corporations that are so large their involvement stems into politics and federal branches of government like the treasury. This is definitely subjective and in no way am I being racist towards any particular group of people lookup the literal definition. I don't know if this is correct but I would say the federal reserve, a private bank is a zionist group. Peace and love all humans.
gordofats 4 months ago
@gordofats When you use a label like "Jew" it's racism - no IFs, bo BUTs. But in terms of ANYONE becoming so possessed by GREED, CORPORATE POWER, MILITARISM and VIOLENCE or IDEOLOGY (ZIONISM is a particularly virulent ideology) they can develop a psychosis that destroys their humanity. A PSYCHOPATH is someone who can inflict pain, suffering and injury, even death without empathy, compassion or remorse. We see this reflected universally now in the direction of Western "Civilisation" from the TOP.
allenjasson 4 months ago
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wtf is a zionist? i keep hearing this but i have no idea what anyone is talking about? are they muslims or something?
teedonster2 4 months ago
Comment by brokkenstar: Chomsky is old, the digging around needed for 911 is too much for him, he should stick to teaching so he doesn't come off as being callous and egotistical that it wasn't he that uncovered the truth. Assange too must suffer this same type of me, me, me mentality, and although much younger than Chomsky, he would be arrested the minute he stepped foot into the U.S.A.
allenjasson 4 months ago
@brokkenstar Personally, while I have views about Chomsky and Assange and that they are both, for whatever reason, WRONG on this matter, I am much more interested in the fact that people are too much and too easily led by "celebrities" and that, particularly in cases like this where the "celebrities" are clearly WRONG, people should use their own minds; think for themselves.
allenjasson 4 months ago
Chomsky, Assange and Obama are NWO builders and disinfo Agents, liars and wolf in sheep clothing
davidshazusa 4 months ago
I believe Chomsky means we need to stay focused on the underlying thinking, system and policies but he moves about in academic circles and seems to forget that the average joe doesn't study these issues and the one thing that could awaken people and make them thirsty for knowledge would be to expose what happened in a single case like 9/11. Solving the mystery of 9/11 wouldn't solve THE problem but would be a catalyst for many to want to solve it. You need public awareness.
greenguerrilla 4 months ago
@greenguerrilla If the masses are in a condition to accept such nonsense as a) the Warren report on the assassination of JFK and b) the official version of 9/11 then they will accept anything; e.g. "war of terror necessary for freedom and democracy", "Patriot act is about patriotism", "Muslims hate our freedm" etc. When the machine that is responsible for all this is exposed there will be awakening. Without that awakening "The Problem" could go on to entirely enslave humanity.
allenjasson 4 months ago
@greenguerrilla There is a large rump of the population that is ignorant, stupid, "patriotic" and utterly enamoured of the hollywood fantasy; they are capable of creating change only when acting as a violent mob. There exists a more enlightened group (not a class - they span the entire spectrum of social class and are characterised by intelligence not wealth). They are compromised by the machine because to varying degrees they have an interest in it and lack the power to influence it...
allenjasson 4 months ago
@greenguerrilla With every day that passes they find the compromise more unpalatable, less in their interests and more inclined to coerce than seduce them. They want to believe it's better than it is. While it was obvious that the psychopaths with a lion's share of power killed Kennedy there was never an irrefutable body of factual, conclusive evidence. That body of rrefutable, factual, conclusive evidence exists for 9/11 and the "tidy" destruction of 3 buildings with 2 planes is more obvious...
allenjasson 4 months ago
@greenguerrilla ...than the "magic bullet" as evidence of a criminal violence and fraud. The 9/11 Truth Movement will produce a social chemical reaction between the "enlightened" and socially important intellectual elite and the violent mob, the mobilisation of which has hitherto always been an unpalatable option for enlightened thinkers.
Which is worse; violent upheaval or a world run by psychopathic criminals? When the facts are on the table there will be no choice to make.
allenjasson 4 months ago
When Chomsky asks, who cares who killed JFK, I take him to mean, who cares, since the damage has long been done. But if the damage was done by a vice presidents conspiracy of say 8 others willing & knowing of plan; and if all else ascribed to WWiii avoidance, and thus unwitting conspiracy; and if that were directed by Johnson post- facto - then Mr Chomsky, we need to hear your definition of "damage.". US system was open to this happening in Cold War paradigm hether it did happen or not.
newsmanbluesman 4 months ago
Clearly Chomsky and Assange are Zionist Shills being funded by Israel!
Hahahahahaha could you imagine?
Laughingblades 4 months ago
@Laughingblades I don't think that's a logical conclusion. It certainly doesn't follow "clearly" from the video. Rather than spend a lot of time speculating about Chomsky and Assange it would be much more effective if people simply accepted they can be and in this instance are WRONG, go forward with that view (particularly in assessing what they have to say) and continue getting people to examine the facts of 9/11 (and JFK, AND the connections) and get people to wake up.
allenjasson 4 months ago
@allenjasson Pah, you really mean to tell me they aren't zionist shills? Next thing you'll be telling me is that heat makes metal expand and that steel is an excellent conductor of heat, and you'll try to sell me on the notion that jet fuel burning near the temperature of the sun was running down those beams and that the heat was being distributed throughout the structure and could be felt by people through the walls, and that wreckage from the towers showed that bolts had come loose from Tbeams
Laughingblades 4 months ago
@Laughingblades No, I don't think I'll be trying to tell you any of that. In fact, quite the contrary. Again, I don't see any connection between this and Chomsky's assertion that it doesn't matter who killed JFK or who did 9/11 or his argument in common with Assange that it distracts from "more important issues". I can't see why we need to do anything more than say that they are WRONG and let their opinions subside. I like to think my little video makes that point well enough :-) let's move on.
allenjasson 4 months ago
@allenjasson I think there's context to be had here on JFK, Chomsky has stated his skepticism on the issue in the past then moved to immediately dismiss it's relevance, meaning he probably thinks (though he has never said) that JFK's assassination had more to it than the official story let on, but that we can never prove who did it and even if we did it wouldn't solve any of our problems so we should focus on enacting realistic social change instead. In other words, he sees JFK as a distraction.
Laughingblades 4 months ago
@Laughingblades Well, what can I say? You pretty well paraphrase Chomsky and I generally agree with the other views you expressed (which seems to contradict your views about "Zionist shills"). I'm not sure here if you are taking issue with my point that we should just accept that Chomsky is WRONG, assert the case for WHY (as I have essentially done), agree to differ and "move on". I get the impression you would struggle to do that without either Chomsky's blessing or his total condemnation.
allenjasson 4 months ago
@allenjasson :3 My personal theory is that JFK was assassinated by the business elite because he was a threat to entrenched banking powers that were in the active process of buying up senators and preparing their takeover of our government. He gave quite a stirring little speech on that very issue not long before he died, a speech most people will never know about, and will never hear.
Laughingblades 4 months ago
@Laughingblades I fully agree here also, except to sayI believe that JFK was murdered by the CIA in collaboration with Cuban exiles on behalf of the people who own western capitalism (demonstrated criminal psychopaths) who now own Congress, Obama, The CIA and (with their new allies - i.e. the Russian criminal mafia, Putin et al) also the KGB. The logical conclusion, evident in everything we see around us (psychotic violence and criminal fraud) is that the world is run by CRIMINAL PSYCHOPATHS.
allenjasson 4 months ago
The the editor of this piece of half baked journalistic rubbish, the white haired man in the video clips isn't Julian Assange. He has an American accent which is clearly not Assange.
yaluobud 4 months ago
@yaluobud IMHO the contention that this is an imposter for Assange is a nonsense that ranks with the contention that Paul McCartney was dead in the 1970s.
allenjasson 4 months ago
@allenjasson So, let's get this straight - Do you believe the man in this video is Assange or is someone impersonating Assange to prove a point?
InfinitiNetizen 4 months ago
@InfinitiNetizen I was thinking exactly the same thing! That's not even Assange in the video, is everyone insane here? These 9/11 truthers are a little too nutty for me.
markst 4 months ago
Thoughtful and a propos point. Inspiring this take: if CTism CT-ising as necessary and as warranted helps refine a pro-peace stance, please, folks, carry on through that discussion and research. Sometimes something like Church committee will for a moment let truth leak in. Or is that, out.
newsmanbluesman 4 months ago
Cant believe Chomsky hasnt read enough Shakespeare to look at LBJ as dealmaker for 1963 military takeover of US - provided he can have top job, in exchange for delivery. It's so significant the Bard should have lived to write about it - then people would get it, and might have done so before 9/11. For which event Dallas, not Pearl Harbour, is the precedent - mystery attack in American streets.
newsmanbluesman 4 months ago
@newsmanbluesman I wouldn't have thought Chomsky would need any assistance of Shakespearian dramatisation. But again, Chomsky is not the point. The point is, we DO care about who killed JFK and who did 9/11 and for very good reasons. When it's generally accepted that these were inside jobs the game changes for Western Capitalism and the politics of Western Civilisation at large and there will be a major power-shift (away from the criminal psychopaths who own Western Capitalism).
allenjasson 4 months ago
This is one of the few good things about 9-11 - it smokes out the phoney from the true. Chomsky , Tiabbi and assange show their true colours - they don't just say they are not sure or that they have an open mind - they are outright disparaging of people who find it difficult to believe that a building can fall through its own mass at near free-fall. It just smells.
JohnsaWozHere 4 months ago
@JohnsaWozHere Personally, I'm not sure we can draw any definite conclusions about Assange or Chomsky from this (other than speculative). However, we CAN recognise that BOTH of them are WRONG. 9/11 is not a distraction from "many other more important issues", it is their EPICENTRE, the taproot on which the whole enterprise grows and depends in every leaf and stem. Purging ourselves of all these problems requires the taproot exposed on the ground, drying in the sun. Then it ALL WILTS.
allenjasson 4 months ago
@allenjasson Thanks for replying - could not agree with you more. 9/11 was NOT an event which happened in isolation. Its genesis and aftermath , both domestic and foreign , are of fundamental importance not just to America but the whole world. Sadly , I don't see any mechanism which will resolve 9/11 - those in power will just sit tight until the truth movement burns itself out.
JohnsaWozHere 4 months ago
@JohnsaWozHere I understand your view and there was a time when I also believed that. Not now. If this was a US-only issue it would have gone the way of JFK but this has impacted the world. The people who own western capitalism have obviously allowed themselves to be deluded by the situation in the US, which is not the same as the world at large. Also, 9/11 Truth has established solid key facts with good science. Intelligent, educated people with power interests...
allenjasson 4 months ago
@JohnsaWozHere power interests that want a moral world and deplore the unprincipled, psychopathic criminality currently in the ascendancy due to 9/11. I think that intelligent people all over the world have seen through this fraud. I think that a continental shift is already happening, it's just masked by the FOX news type media and US military dominance - but neither of these, alone or together can maintain this situation for long; a show-down is coming and violent thugs aren't smart enough.
allenjasson 4 months ago
THE ZIONIST MEDIA...WHO DID 911 BY THE WAY, IS RAISING UP ANOTHER GOOD LITTLE GENIUS WHO GIVE THE ESTABLISHMENT SUCH HEADACHES, BUT STRANGELY AGREES WITH THE GOVERNMENT ON THE HUGE ISSUES USING NO LOGIC WHATSOEVER. HMMMM. ASSANGE AND DIRTBAG CHUMPSKY KNOWS WHO BUTTERS THEIR BISCUIT, OR, BANK ACCOUNT RATHER. THESE GUYS SHOULD GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY, AMERICA. WE KNOW WHO DID THIS. watch MOSSAD CAUGHT IN VAN ON 9-11 "FILLED WITH EXPLOSIVES" GW BRIDGE.... this vid will show you.
sssssjjjj1 4 months ago
@sssssjjjj1 As it happens, I heard this recording more than three year ago. I also have no illusions about the mass media and I'm sure there is no-one in this video either, who harbours any illusions. NOTE: Prior and during WW2 the NYT (Jewish owned) suppressed news of the Holocaust. It's a key to what's happening in the US. Note also - not all Jews are zionists. Zionists are happy to watch their bretheren burn for the Zionist cause. Judaism is not Zionism.
allenjasson 4 months ago
@sssssjjjj1 The People Who Own Western Capitalism own the butter dish that "butters EVERYONE's Biscuit" - even yours @sssssjjjj1 - that's what makes this a tough game - not to mention that they are, for the most part, psychopathic criminals who can INFLICT PAIN, SUFFERING, INJURY, EVEN DEATH WITHOUT EMPATHY, COMPASSION OR REMORSE - on their enemies and parted friends, at home or abroad. They own the media, the government, the secret services and military - AND YOUR LIVELIHOOD. QED Brother!
allenjasson 4 months ago
THEY DIDN'T FOOL THE MASS MEDIA YOU BASTARD....HAHAHA THE MASS MEDIA WAS 100% INVOLVED. watch this, and don't shy away, on youtube MOSSAD CAUGHT IN VAN ON 9-11 "FILLED WITH EXPLOSIVES" GW BRIDGE.
sssssjjjj1 4 months ago
When it does become an internationally accepted and inescapable fact that 9/11 was an inside job (as for many of us, especially those of 9/11 Truth, it already is), and not some "crazy religion that loves the thought of death" the disneyland fantasy existence of people like @44warjunkie falls apart. THAT's THE FACT of it!
allenjasson 4 months ago
Most Americans have been reduced to a condition just like @44warjunkie (appropriately named) who believes that 9/11 was the work of some "crazy religion that loves the thought of death".
allenjasson 4 months ago
This is the essence of the problem.
allenjasson 4 months ago
All you 9/11 truthers will die trying to prove what? Ok, lets say the CIA/Israelis whatever were responsible and not a crazy religion that loves the thought of death, now what? Aren't you going to do something about it? Start a revolution or shut the fuck up and go to work, pay your taxes, and live your own life.
44warjunkie 4 months ago
@44warjunkie The biggest problem faced by 9/11 Truth (in fact, if the situation at root of this problem did not exist 9/11 Truth would not exist) is that most Americans have been reduced to a condition like yours 44warjunkie. For people like you, when it does become an internationally accepted and inescapable fact that 9/11 was an inside job (as for many of us it already is), and not some "crazy religion that loves the thought of death" the disneyland fantasy of your existence falls apart.
allenjasson 4 months ago
@44warjunkie The biggest problem faced by 9/11 Truth (in fact, if the situation at root of this problem did not exist 9/11 Truth would not exist) is that most Americans have been reduced to a condition like yours. For people like you, when it does become an internationally accepted and inescapable fact that 9/11 was an inside job (as for many of us it already is), and not some "crazy religion that loves the thought of death" the disneyland fantasy of your existence falls apart.
allenjasson 4 months ago
@44warjunkie The fact is that most Americans have been reduced to a condition like yours 44warjunkie. For people in this condition, when it does become an internationally accepted and inescapable fact that 9/11 was an inside job (as for many of us it already is), and not some "crazy religion that loves the thought of death" the disneyland fantasy of your existence falls apart. THAT's THE FACT!
allenjasson 4 months ago
@44warjunkie The fact is that most Americans have been reduced to a condition just like yours 44warjunkie.
allenjasson 4 months ago
@44warjunkie The fact is that most Americans have been reduced to a condition just like yours 44warjunkie.
allenjasson 4 months ago
@44warjunkie The fact is that most Amerikans have been reduced to a condition just like yours 44warjunkie.
allenjasson 4 months ago
@44warjunkie Well, you hilight the essence of the problem here.
allenjasson 4 months ago