This is one of the funniest thing i've seen! this EDL member is one of the least intelligent person I've come across! he's the biggest hypocrit I've seen. I'd rather have muslims in this country than that bigot. Complete bullshit, with no facts, just scapegoating muslims for their own stupidity and unemployment. How did they not tell him to shut the fuck up!
lol @33:34, Bill who is a native speaker of English asks us to excuse his mispronunciation or inability to pronounce the word "misogynist". The muppet can't even speak his own language!
The EDL guy has me rolling around laughing. I'm of no religious persuasion, but even my limited knowledge of Islam is superior to his unicorns and dragons version. I feel the man is quite seriously mentally ill, and should be cared for in a hospital, or by his family, if he has one. Thank goodness the good people of the UK outnumber these fools, all of us together against the racists!
fucking hell! I could do a better job representing white christian britain! Let me on this show id tear that muslim convert too shreads with a prepared talk! pshh!
it really doesnt matter which imaginary friend you believe in, the very fact we as humans debate religion as though its anything but a piece of irrellevent literature is why this is gonna spiral out of control, religios people remind me of star wars followers or trekkies, i think muslims are funny.
@kd84afc They are scattered in a country rather than live in Ghettos and be totally isolated. If you don't want Halal Meat than don't have it, but why do you want to take the right of others? The right to sell Halal meat anywhere. What exactly is Halal according to your definition anyway?
@MatrixOfDynamism Re-read my post again, I have no problem with Halal meat being sold, I would like the choice of having non-halal meat, I cannot just go out and not have halal, I live in tower hamlets and almost every food outlet and butcher is hahal, People should have choice its hard not hard to understand
@kd84afc Well I am surpirsed that the place you live in has so much Halal Meat. Well guess what its not like that "nationwide". There are more nonHalal shops than there are Halal Shops. In any case, what do you think Halal meat is? How is it different from the other meats that you would like to have a choice of?
@MatrixOfDynamism I live in London halal is mainly the meat which is served in most food outlets.. Most food served are shops are halal, That is why people want it labelled...so people know what they are buying.. I know halal meat his just blessed but alot of people don't like the way it's slaughtered and don't tell me its cleaner because I don't buy that.. All I want is a choice not to stop the sale of it just a simple choice weather to it eat it or not.. And it is nationwide
@kd84afc Halal meat will be there where there are muslims, especially in majority. The place I live in in Yorkshire has hardly any shops for Halal Meat.
@MatrixOfDynamism My point most of all the supermakets do not label there products, fact is in 2010 every supermarket sold halal killed lamb but was sold unmarked.. People need to be made aware of it and not being forced into it... people deserve a choice...
He said shaira law is design to show how Muslims live that's fine, But you have groups lead by anjem choudary enforcing those laws on to non Muslim, In walthamstow posters were put up claiming it was a sharia controlled area, which included no loud music no concerts etc.. That's problem people have, being forced into something they don't believe in...
@MatrixOfDynamism For "YOUR" who are you? no need to be arrogant mate... One group as been banned but they can change there name and start again.. He isn't in jail that would of made headlines
@kd84afc I am just bringing something to your attention that needs to be known but is not. it really is Strange. When the group of Anjum Choudary that represents even a minority of a minority like less than 0.001%, he is making headlines that follow the patter of Islam/Muslims taking over the west, and the news goes like "muslims are doing this because they have freedom of speach... they are taking over... they don't allow others freedom of speach...". its banned now, u didn't know???
EDL will grow, Because what happens in this country, for example 4 somalia woman attack a 1 white woman in lecister, shouted "kill the white slag" they wasn't charged with racism or jailed, they were let of because it was argued because as they were muslim they wasnt used to drinking, but if row's were reversed I bet it wouldnt same result
Britain have not learned, by interfering in other countries affairs Britain will pay the price when the poor people of those countries will come to Britain to rip off British welfare state for rest of there lives. Britain interfered in Iraq, Afghanistan & Libya, 700,000 people from poor countries are coming to Britain each year to milk British welfare state for rest of there lives.
Someone's comment "Why is it always the uneducated morons that are in institutions like the EDL? Because they are the most threatened. If a poor immigrant from a 3rd world country is as qualified as you are for a job, you should sort your f* life out. I would rather have Britain full of industrious asians and Jews than full of white trash council estate retards that lower the average IQ and pollute the f* gene pool. I think we should have a 1 in 1 out system and trade these EDL tards.
bill is an idiot racist acting like a scholar.. he didnt know anything.. why does the EDL keep picking dumbasses to represent themselves?? or maybe they consist of dumbasses..
i was goner treat mesen to a curry from the karachi,um not now.....fckn loved them currys i did......but im not puttn money in them muslims pockets.....wud it be ok to by from a indian restraunt instead ??????????????????
Revert to Catholicism....listen to the Pope ....and throw away your contraceptives. This alone will resist Islamisation. Your government will silently surrender you to Islam. Support a CATHOLIC STATE my friends......
@amaqula Revert to Paedophilia....listen to the Pope, throw away your contraceptives and and fill a 12 year old boy's bum with your penis as is legal in the Vatican catholic state. Your government will silently look the other way. Support a PAEDOPHILE STATE my friends....
No need to be disgusting. You must be an anti-Christ. Satan awaits. CATHOLIC STATE for the future my friends.....if you don't want the Calihate shoved down your throat by your evil government!!!! Beware their plans for you!!!
@gunner23 i quite agree kids and women shouldnt be getting abused, thats not the religion thats the culture, theres the diffrence. Fyi the guy from norway killed in the name of christianity, and dont kids and women get abused in this country too? Peados molesting boys/girls in churches? Or is that diffrent somehow
I keep hearing about english identity? People just say that, they say nowt else. They dont tell us what it means to be english they just shout slogans and walk round the town getting pissed.
Your vodka is Russian. Your pizza is Italian. Your kebab is KURDISH. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Brazilian. Your movies are American. Your tea is Sri Lankan. Your shirt is African and Indian. Your oil is Saudi Arabian. You car is Japanese. Your electronics are Chinese. Your numbers Arabic, your letters Latin. And you complain that your neighbour is an immigrant? Pull yourself together the english need other races in england your not better than ANYONE
@MEDES77 Our literary master is Shakespeare. Our Poet, Wordsworth. our Economist , Keynes, our discovery, the SP vaccine. Our scientist, Newton, his discovery is gravity, our physicist is Hawking. Our biologist is Crick, his discovery is DNA . Our Sport is football. Our Universitiy is Cambridge.Our men are the SAS. Our leader is Churchill. Our Queen is Elizabeth and Our King was the Lionheart.And our Country is Christian and thats why all immigrants want to live here. Keep your fucking pizza.
@gunner23 and what have you got now. 4 qualifications you need to be a EDL member. 1; you must be ignorant and be as thick as pigs shit. 2. you must read THE SUN newspaper and THE NEWS OF THE WORLD on a sunday. 3 you must only eat fish n chips, egg and bean , bubble and squeak, sausages and pies and foreign larger. 4. you must be pasty faced and wear only outdated thugwear like STONE ISLAND (PRADA for poor people).you are contributing nothing to the world or society except a bunch of chavs
@MEDES77 Qaulification to be a Muslim: believe that a man that married a 6 year old and had sex with her at 9 is a prophet of GOd( Bukhari vol 7.65), when he beheaded 700 jews in one day (Ishaq 464) some boys (4:52:256) and commanded that all Jews must be killed by muslims to usher in the day of judgement (Sahih Muslim 41 69:85). You must also believe that the Suns sets in mud(Quran 18:86). You must also kill those who apostasize (Sahih B 4:52:260) and have sex with slave girls (Quran 23:5-6)
and what can you come up with? that we wear Stone Island, You ignorant fool, lambasting the English when some muslims all over the world are killing Christians, converts and non muslims and raping little girls in Pakistan. Whilst sharia infested shit pools like in Iran are putting christian pastors to death, you've got the nerve to condemn indigenous brits with something so horrific and violent as reading the Sun. Yeah, cos thats really just as bad.
your QUEEN is German you are all Anglo-Saxons and Norsemen so there is no ENGLISH what are you fighting for.!for a QUEEN THAT S GERMAN OR YOU Like to Blame your fucking life-problems on all that are not white. Sorry, but the EDL is a complete and utter joke. This video shows it. Every march consists mainly of a load of chavs chanting football songs. The majority of them are completely ignorant and probably couldn't tell you anything about the history or heritage of Britain.
Sorry i'm not clear on this - who is arguing for whom?
I would be very of critical of Paul Williams, he has a dangerous aura about him, one of an embittered ulterior motive. He is dangerous, very much like a political impostor.
A person of Paul's demographic could live perfectly happy as a married christian in England.
next hell be a Jew then Buddhism ... really a load of bullshit AND MEGA RESPECT TO THE EDL ... PLUS I GOT 2k GUYS IN MY TOWN all races all ready for anything that may start .. all just waiting for the internal riots to start and the civilians to do the job of the Real ENGLISH ..... i cant wait for the time .. please do it within the next 2 years ill be a marine and ill be readt for that shit :) ..so buzzing for this to take off "RISE AND RISE AGAIN UNTIL SHEEP BECOME WOLF"
@youngdotmoney Muslims arent targeting non Muslims. What u were led to believe is made up. In the quran it tells u to kill the non believers. This revelation came after 13 years of persecution where Muslims werent allowed to fight back. Only after they faced extinction again was this revelation revealed. It gave Muslims permission to fight back even though they were outnumbered. The timing of the verses were perfect and gives us an indication of how patient Muslims were then and should b now..
@youngdotmoney Muslims arent targeting non Muslims. What u were led to believe is made up. In the quran it tells u to kill the non believers. This revelation came after 13 years of persecution where Muslims werent allowed to fight back. Only after they faced extinction again was this revelation revealed. It gave Muslims permission to fight back even though they were outnumbered. The timing of the verses were perfect and gives us an indication of how patient Muslims were then and should b now..
Islam is a threat to all non-muslims, and if we don't put a stop to Islamic law, then the future of our non-muslims children will be a un English society
A good debate but i believe the english representative was poorly chosen compared to the muslim representative. More debates like this on a national level will help everyone to understand eachothers points of views and build a co-operative relationship.
hahaha this guy, bill baker is a retard...true representative of the edl, and he is probably one of the most educated of them. He ends up agreeing with paul and then starts with the same line, we do not hate islam but we do not like sharia law. Learn how to debate, going round in circles throughout because of this idiot. God help people like this, no hope i say.
Muslims don't belong in the west, don't fit in to western civilization, it doesn't work. They don't agree with our way of life and we don't agree with their way of life or views.
Everyone should stay in their own backyard, simple as that. Multiculturalism does not work.
@minimalmodulation yeh well wen u leave our countries alone we'll leave urs, go ahead and tell the americans n british to leave saudi, iraq, afghanistan, libya, syria, egypt, pakistan, bangladesh, and evrywhere else they think they hav a right to interfere, they can't even keep ther own countries free from crime and they think they have the right to police the world? such arrogance is disgusting, even u must admit that?
@Markov11989: The British didnt even ask for permission 2 be given room in other countries, they simply forced their way in and as part of imperial colonisation stole the wealth & resources of countless countries. The British jewels (1 of which - the Kohi Noor - was at 1 point the biggest diamond in the world) are from India, I wonder if the Indians gave it as a gift?!
@vonsmith: Past actions affect the present. Have u ever heard the phrase "what goes around comes around"? or how about "you reap what u sow"? or even "U made ur bed so now lay in it"?
The British are now suffering for the past crimes of their government's actions in other lands, just as they once raped other lands of their wealth & resources so it has come full circle today.
@dooli1981 And by this you believe its OK for anybody who suffered at the hands of our forefathers to commit acts of hatred towards us??? If you do believe this then you are a first class fuckwit. Why do people live in the past??? Grow the fuck up.
I am a Muslim, but my personal view is that we need to revise the Sharia law to tailor it according to the prevailing morden values. Radical islam should be treated as not islam. And those who follows the radical islam should be regarded as non-muslims.
i dont know what everyones arguing about, this seemed like a successful debate since they got to the heart of the situation. look at the british policy and stop scapegoating muslims. please dont generalise us all on a media based stereotype or what anjum chaudry preaches.
Yup, lets invite a thuggish looking EDL member to debate aginst a Muslim convert who happens to be a speaker and quite well educated. At the end of the day, Muslims and their faith is based around a false prophet. As much as they mention peace, their religion is based around the erradication of others who do not follow Islam. A new crusade is coming. The Jihad they so wanted will come...at their expense.
@mujtahid2006 Class response. I should have guessed me trying to define mediation would come up against...a Muslim? Might be wrong here, but as soon as a negative is given against a fascist religion, then bigots, like yourself, appear. Your false prophet is noted as consummating his marriage with a child. And you mention children...
@mujtahid2006 What a tool you are for reading that into what I have written. The crusade that Muslims fanatics want, will come at THEIR expense. And raising the notion that I would want to kill a bunch of kids, well that deepens the closes the intelligence gap between you and a baked bean. Now I bet your a Muslim...
@Allahsarmy Typical brainwashed response. A belief in a religion that is ill to it's core suggests that you cannot think for yourself. I don't blame you, nor do I blame others like you who have the same thought train. Look outside of the box. See how evil religion is. Who tells you to believe? Who forces you to recite a faith/religion. Finally, prove that this prophet and his mantra/words are true and not the words of a few evil, manipulative forefathers.
@vonsmith In order to strart Crusade you need a formal approval from either the Church of England or Rome Catholic Church and none of them will ever support this.
@vonsmith well said. i mean it aint just infidels or people in america who think we have it in for muslim countrys that islamists hate, its anybody who doesnt bend to there religion , they have been known to burn out buddist monastrys throughout the east and this (IS) a peaceful religion they dony want to intergrate. even in saudi arabia there is somali & other black people live there and there treated like shit cause they aint arabs so there is racism within the so called muslim brotherhood
@annabatarowicz Good points. But try to reason or debate this religion and you are branded a racist, infidel or christian. A defence mechanism Islam uses is brainwashing. I actually feel sorry for the young children who are virtually whipped into reciting the Quran daily. Now that is abuse.
@annabatarowicz: It wasnt that long ago that black people in the west wer treated horrendously coz of the colour of their skin. Despite all of the progress in race relations & apparent equality ther is still deep racism, 4 e.g the recent issue with monkey chants in Europe towards black football players. Sure ther r sum racist Saudis who happen 2 b Muslim, its not part of the religion but simply actions of ignoramuses. Quran & Prophet Muhammed stress heavily the equality of humans in sight of God
@lovebuzz125 And you know that for a fact? It seems to me, that with a response like that which you have given, you fall into that category...? If you read my post it is about mediation. The EDL are mediated in a way which delivers them to be 'thuggish' and 'uneducated', drunk football hooligans. Mediation is the hub of generic decision making, it seems...
@vonsmith If what you say is true about the EDL being mediated in the wrong way, Do you think that is true also for Islam? or is this an exclusive phenomenon that only the EDL suffers from?
@lovebuzz125 My point is simple. Mediation can be pro or non-pro to the words/images being expressed. Wether the stratergy be for the EDL or Islam. But there is damning evidence to suggest that both of the parties you have mentioned are sinister in plot. The difference is that the EDL are a minority group with big ambitions, Islam is a global belief which has numerous ties to acts of evil perpetrated throughout history. But lets not look at the past. Look at the here and now to what is happening
@vonsmith Firstly the claim that "islam has numerous ties to acts of evil perpetrated throughout history" gives no weight to your argument even in the case of that statement being true. Every single nation, race, religion etc has ties with acts of evil throughout history. My point is that people like those involved with the EDL are fighting the wrong people. Islam and muslims are not responsible for the rights and freedoms (or the loss of ) in britain.
@lovebuzz125 By your rationale, you are contradicting what you are saying. Or you are not comprehending what I am saying. I have mentioned Islam having a train of evil following it over the centuries due to the fact that the video is about the 'Muslim Convert' and the EDL. I could have mentioned many cults/religions etc to exemplify my point but this is relevant...Nor do I mention that it is anybodies fault, it is how 'things' are mediated.
@azyeennekun And if you would like to read my first post with this video. It is the fanatical Muslims who so want the new crusade (jihad) and they will only bring it on themselves. Which is why I mentioned it!!! It was not just Europeans who went on crusades. Jesus, I wish people would read before spouting off.
@vonsmith jesus peace be upon him preached the same, look in the bible luke 19 verse 27 he said to his followers to bring those to him who refused to accept him as their king and slay them in front of him.
@vonsmith Have you even read one verse of the Qur'an? Have you even actually learnt about Islam from an actual practising Muslim or do you just hear it on the news and start thinking Islam is about terrorism? Have an open mind istead of arguing all the time and start learning properly about Islam.
@khanhass Tell me, why would I want to do this? Why would you want to argue with me about me arguing? Be open minded...? I wish numpties like you would read my original post correctly. I have sectioned out Islam and it's history as the topic is about Muslims and the EDL. I have not gone out to pick on your religion. But seems as you mention it, yes I do find even moderate Muslims take this piss. You want, want want, you don't want to integrate (proof supplied if wanted)!!!!!! Grow a pair.
@vonsmith so are you an edl member? integrate, with people who go out drinking, sleeping with eachothers girlfriends, spreading their filthy diseases etc please, id rather be amish. If you mean integrating by talking to your white negihbours, at work, go play footy or something, then i do that already mate but we wont suck upto your low values and try kiss some ass like some other asians
@grimblebrumble17889 I don't for one minute believe in 'prophets', which in turn would indicate that they are all false. I do however, disagree with poor mediation. I also have the heaviest of reservations against the religion that is Islam. Everywhere this religion is, there is hatred and evil.
@vonsmith Muslims are rather bad. But Jews and their Christian dogs are far far worse. Look at what they did to Europe and are still doing to Europe. We didnt end up with these fucking muslims because of secular people did we? When you attack a snake you go for the head. In this case the head is a wearing a skull cap and speaking hebrew.
OH MAN, IS THAT YOUR SPOKESMAN FOR EDL, U FCKIN SCHOOL DROPOUT HOW CANNOT EVEN SPELL SHARIA? SHIII... THIS TELLS YOU THE INTELLIGENCE OF YOUR RACIST PIGS CALLED EDL
@DJDEEQ He is the result of a dumbed down educational system. A system that is getting worse when school teachers cannot complete the cirriculum because too many of their class cannot speak any English. So Fuck you, (thats Anglo Saxon, by the way.)
@googleisshittoss Hello Friend, hope your ok. If I may ask, what is your concept of God? What is your idea what God is or isn't? I would love to know. I thank you in advance.
@filippoprevitali Hello Friend, hope your ok. If I may ask, what is your concept of God? What is your idea what God is or isn't? I would love to know. I thank you in advance.
@AbuAmanah my idea of God? something that has been invented by men to control stupid people. It started ages ago and went through the greeks, the romans etc. No difference between cristians, muslims or jewish......they all believe in fairy tales! I don't give a shit if you believe in allah or jesus. This is your problem.....but I don't accept you pretend to bring your stupid sharia in this country. I flew from italy because of the vatican......and now? Do I have to fly to Norway to escape?
@filippoprevitali Hello Friend. Is it not also true that explaining the truth or falsity of an idea not to be a good one because of it's origin, is what is known as the 'genetic fallacy'?
All I am saying is that anything that BEGINS to exist, MUST have a cause. If the Universe, including Time-Space-Matter, all begun to exist, than where did it come from? Nothing? But from nothing ONLY nothing comes. I am reasoning that there must be a Creator who created everything that BEGUN to exist.
@AbuAmanah the difference between me and you....if science cannot explain something your solution is "there must be a creator"........for me, for me to accept that before the big bang there was just another space, another time or another "something".....is definitely easier the thinking about a god or a creator!
Accept this.....you believe in god because you have been told to do so since you were child......and to ged rid of this is like trying to make a monkey sleeping with a snake....
@filippoprevitali You said: "before the big bang there was just another space," That's not science it's faith. So ur reasoning n sincere. But my Friend, we can all be sincerely wrong.
"Science" says Time begun to exist. So what was happening before Time begun? Nothing? Natural World begun to exist. Even if nature existed, but Time didn't, than NO change within that natural world can occur. I am reasoning, that there has to be a First cause somewhere, other wise we wouldn't have wht we have 2day.
@AbuAmanah if have got faith......I have got faith on science! I accept there might have been a different time from what we know today. For me is unconceivable to believe we are the product of an intelligent design and controlled everyday by a mighty god. To believe in God means to consider the man in a different way from a snail or a rock........I do think we are only a minimal step of a relentless process....called evolution.
@filippoprevitali "might have been a different time" My Friend that's ur Faith/Hope, n it's not based on established science. Is it not reasonable to suggest 4m nothing only nothing comes? If SCIENCE tells us tht Universe inc Time itself BEGUN 2exist, meaning nothing was happening b4 it came into existence. If nothing was happening, than nothing could have continued 2happen 4ever. I am reasoning tht something had to get things started, but not because it had to. Why? B/c there was no past event.
@AbuAmanah no chance to find a compromise between me and you. Your mind is open to believe in god.....mine would rather belive in Santa Claus......pretty much the same to me. Just fairies. :)
have a very good day my friend....you will go to heaven....I will burn to hell.... your "good" lord has decided.
@filippoprevitali Now hold on ! How can you call inteligent......... someone who does not ? Athiests are a very small minority in the world about 5%. The rest of the world have a belief of some kind or another, Are you saying the 5% who do not believe in God, has more Inteligence then those who do believe in God ? What do you 5% think you have that the rest of the 95% dont. And Islam is Growing so fast you cant keep stats on Islam. would you allow me to show you something ?
@Allahsarmy you are pathetic! of course everyone who believes in a god is stupid! every religion has been inented for the simple purpose of controlling ignorant people.....therefore.....if you believe....you are stupid or ignorant.
Now, please stop talking about your stupid law......if you wanna go back to middleage....your business....leave this country and go to saudi arabia!
@KnowlegeIsPower2011 I will dis-proove God.....right after you will dis-proove the golden teapot orbiting around the sun singing "we are the champion". Can you?
@filippoprevitali: I will do, According to science, there is no 'golden teapot orbiting around the sun singing "we are the champion". It also does not appear on the many satellite images that we have of the sun. The thing is, you are an idiot using stupid examples and no credibility or valuable knowlege. There is no point me arguing with a waste of life like yourself. Anyway, its your turn to dis-proove God. Good Luck.
@KnowlegeIsPower2011 ahahahhaahah....this is the final prouve you are the most stupid man on earth! Fisrt of all....you can't use the world 'science' to prouve the existence of your god.....faith and sicence don't go toghether! ahahahahah is like your stupid preacher when they say salt and water don't mix! ahahahahahah
Second, I took the example of the teapot only to show your stupidity. If is there any teapot in the space, it would be so small that no satellite would be able to see. YOU FAILED!
@filippoprevitali: Hahahah . . . NO, you Idiot. Your comment is proof that you can't spell or produce one gramatically correct sentance. Just to correct you, Science & Faith DO go together. Why is it that the Quran alone contains over 1000 scientific verses? But judging by your childish comments, which seriously lack any credibility, Im guessing you wouldn't understand even if the truth smacked you in the face. The Quran contains science that has only recently been discovered with technology.
@KnowlegeIsPower2011 no...honestly....are we serious? I really thought we were just joking........wait a moment.....do you really believe in a God who created the earth and the heaven in 6 days? Do you really believe in a God who created the sky as a roof? Ok....if you do so.....then we can jump to next topic: why God created such a stupid human being like you...able to believe on these BULSHITTS!!!!!! WAKE UP!
@filippoprevitali: You really are ignorant.. It says, 'We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from Our Signs'. (Qur'an, 21:32) This is in reference to the protective Ozone Layer that surrounds the Earth's Atmosphere and protects us from many hamrfull things. If you had a brain you would do your research into the issue. The people of the time (1400 yrs ago) did not speak in the same way as people in the 21st Century, hence the simpler words. Do some Research !
@failurbanik 2/3 of Converts to Islam are Wome nfrom the U.S, UK and other nations..Most are educated, attractive and very intelligent..Am an Irish female who converted to Islam 3 years ago and it's the best decision I ever made..Does anybody notice how ELD members speak in a chav way? most are uneducated, uncivilized and ignorant? many are unemployed too. These people cannot understand something Superior then them..Extreism will always happen if u bomb families and homes!
@timingdays im an american who became an anti islamnist about one year ago
best decision i ever made
most muslims in the mid east are BARBIANS who want their SHITY way of life to be EVERYONES shity way of life the edl and what im joining the adl wants this to NOT happen
and we bomb the mid east because they bombed us FUCK THEM
@failurbanik Show proof of your allegations? your sooo bitter and ignorant. I bet u have been rejected in the apst and been dumped lol...Only unattractive, weak and jelous people like you will be affected lol... While the Holy texts of the Holy Quran were being written generation to generation your ancestors were savesg/barbarians in jungles FACT..In the west rape is HIGH , adultry is high, single mothers/fathers is high, sexual dieases is high, murder is rampant so is depression!
islamnists were some of the worst affenders there is a story that a muslim warrior rode thru eygpt to get jumped by fellow muslims who ATE him for his power there is some truth to this
secound yes our culture is moraly decitent but islamic countrys are WORSE killing mercs then burning them then HANGIUNG THEIR DEAD BODIES ON A BRIDGE (glad we destoryed them all)
Also teenage pregnancis are highest in the west...All this is a rear minority within Muslims and the Islamic/Muslim world so who is barbarian now? who is infidel now?...You messes with Muslims they will mess with you simple psyhsics..A lot of what we have today was invented by the Muslims. Least their shitty way of life is Cleaner then ours in the west FACT. Muslims want their own law for them, NOT u , u thick ignorant fool. Your pssy behind a PC lol..Ur blocked
Lastly did Iraq attack america? did Afghanistan attack america? it was america who attacked Iraq in the Gulf-War, its americas and british foreign policy which breeds extreismts. america supports isreal hence killing innocent Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims. U rednecks rely on Arabs or Oil lol..Whenver has a Muslim forced any non-muslim to abide by their law? u think fukers use an excuse for ur hatred, bitterness & lonely life. Islam is spreading & NOTHING u can do.Wnt read ur comments.
Edl are so Fucking thick!
narmi1988 21 hours ago
we need@worldwar i hope soon
amr7037 3 days ago
you can easily spot who the smarter person is!!
3219993 3 days ago
This is one of the funniest thing i've seen! this EDL member is one of the least intelligent person I've come across! he's the biggest hypocrit I've seen. I'd rather have muslims in this country than that bigot. Complete bullshit, with no facts, just scapegoating muslims for their own stupidity and unemployment. How did they not tell him to shut the fuck up!
wwwdotsoldotcom 1 week ago
lol @33:34, Bill who is a native speaker of English asks us to excuse his mispronunciation or inability to pronounce the word "misogynist". The muppet can't even speak his own language!
dooli1981 1 week ago
The EDL guy has me rolling around laughing. I'm of no religious persuasion, but even my limited knowledge of Islam is superior to his unicorns and dragons version. I feel the man is quite seriously mentally ill, and should be cared for in a hospital, or by his family, if he has one. Thank goodness the good people of the UK outnumber these fools, all of us together against the racists!
lpggow 1 week ago
This redneck EDL twat keep talking about "these two lads" lol
I like this debate, it shows the idiots who follow EDL
Peace for all mankind!!!!
ChelseaFCMario 2 weeks ago
the white convert on the left is Lost, defensive and confused lol!
happysimon118 2 weeks ago
fucking hell! I could do a better job representing white christian britain! Let me on this show id tear that muslim convert too shreads with a prepared talk! pshh!
happysimon118 2 weeks ago
They have a Cave Troll!!
2DRonaldo 2 weeks ago
it really doesnt matter which imaginary friend you believe in, the very fact we as humans debate religion as though its anything but a piece of irrellevent literature is why this is gonna spiral out of control, religios people remind me of star wars followers or trekkies, i think muslims are funny.
GeneralMe100 1 month ago
this is absolutely rediculous, he thinks insulting muhammad is rascism, its a religion not a race.
GeneralMe100 1 month ago
hi my name is matthew 32 born here new england. listen christinan child. I am converting to Islam's 9/11 tried to me
4ALLofUSyt 1 month ago
are they all muslims
WWEFREAK372 1 month ago
lol
WWEFREAK372 1 month ago
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kd84afc 2 months ago
If there is only 2 million Muslims in the UK, Why is Halal sold nationwide?
kd84afc 2 months ago
@kd84afc They are scattered in a country rather than live in Ghettos and be totally isolated. If you don't want Halal Meat than don't have it, but why do you want to take the right of others? The right to sell Halal meat anywhere. What exactly is Halal according to your definition anyway?
MatrixOfDynamism 2 months ago
@MatrixOfDynamism Re-read my post again, I have no problem with Halal meat being sold, I would like the choice of having non-halal meat, I cannot just go out and not have halal, I live in tower hamlets and almost every food outlet and butcher is hahal, People should have choice its hard not hard to understand
kd84afc 2 months ago
@kd84afc Well I am surpirsed that the place you live in has so much Halal Meat. Well guess what its not like that "nationwide". There are more nonHalal shops than there are Halal Shops. In any case, what do you think Halal meat is? How is it different from the other meats that you would like to have a choice of?
MatrixOfDynamism 2 months ago
@MatrixOfDynamism I live in London halal is mainly the meat which is served in most food outlets.. Most food served are shops are halal, That is why people want it labelled...so people know what they are buying.. I know halal meat his just blessed but alot of people don't like the way it's slaughtered and don't tell me its cleaner because I don't buy that.. All I want is a choice not to stop the sale of it just a simple choice weather to it eat it or not.. And it is nationwide
kd84afc 2 months ago
@kd84afc Halal meat will be there where there are muslims, especially in majority. The place I live in in Yorkshire has hardly any shops for Halal Meat.
MatrixOfDynamism 2 months ago
@MatrixOfDynamism My point most of all the supermakets do not label there products, fact is in 2010 every supermarket sold halal killed lamb but was sold unmarked.. People need to be made aware of it and not being forced into it... people deserve a choice...
kd84afc 2 months ago
He said shaira law is design to show how Muslims live that's fine, But you have groups lead by anjem choudary enforcing those laws on to non Muslim, In walthamstow posters were put up claiming it was a sharia controlled area, which included no loud music no concerts etc.. That's problem people have, being forced into something they don't believe in...
kd84afc 2 months ago
@kd84afc what % of muslims does Anjum Chaudry represent? 0.0001%? What is wrong with you?
MatrixOfDynamism 2 months ago
@MatrixOfDynamism nothing, but his given muslims a bad name should be stopped
kd84afc 2 months ago
@kd84afc for YOUR information his group has already been banned by the UK government and this guy in probably in jail or atleast under surveilance.
MatrixOfDynamism 2 months ago
@MatrixOfDynamism For "YOUR" who are you? no need to be arrogant mate... One group as been banned but they can change there name and start again.. He isn't in jail that would of made headlines
kd84afc 2 months ago
@kd84afc I am just bringing something to your attention that needs to be known but is not. it really is Strange. When the group of Anjum Choudary that represents even a minority of a minority like less than 0.001%, he is making headlines that follow the patter of Islam/Muslims taking over the west, and the news goes like "muslims are doing this because they have freedom of speach... they are taking over... they don't allow others freedom of speach...". its banned now, u didn't know???
MatrixOfDynamism 2 months ago
Only problem I have, Is Halal, I have no problem with it being sold. but people should have a choice.
kd84afc 2 months ago
EDL will grow, Because what happens in this country, for example 4 somalia woman attack a 1 white woman in lecister, shouted "kill the white slag" they wasn't charged with racism or jailed, they were let of because it was argued because as they were muslim they wasnt used to drinking, but if row's were reversed I bet it wouldnt same result
kd84afc 2 months ago
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Euclides287 2 months ago
this edl man gets owned in 40 50
dusakibu 2 months ago
and i also feel this mirza is stupid as hell
dusakibu 2 months ago
this edl man is very stupid i was getting crazy of seeing so stupid a man
dusakibu 2 months ago
the whole deabte came down to british foreign policy.. if you wanted to know without watching the whole video
8casm 2 months ago
These EDL dolts really are fond of shooting themselves in the foot everytime they're on TV or radio. I say give them as much air time as possible.
4exgold 2 months ago
All nationalism does is teach you to hate people you haven't even met. Doug Stanhope
estebanrey 2 months ago
Hats off to the presenter keeping a sensible head whilst sat next to an obviously arrogant racist.
HughieDixon 2 months ago
muslamic ray guns
HughieDixon 2 months ago
Stupid fat edl prick look in the mirror you pathetic fat fuck
bladerunner91100 3 months ago
I'm impressed this is on banglatv! Was better than question time..shame i've never come across show
pulp901 3 months ago
Paul came off better in this debate . The presenter talked too much he should have left them to it. Bill put up a poor account of his views
panther1412 3 months ago
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Britain have not learned, by interfering in other countries affairs Britain will pay the price when the poor people of those countries will come to Britain to rip off British welfare state for rest of there lives. Britain interfered in Iraq, Afghanistan & Libya, 700,000 people from poor countries are coming to Britain each year to milk British welfare state for rest of there lives.
justicepartyuk 3 months ago
Someone's comment "Why is it always the uneducated morons that are in institutions like the EDL? Because they are the most threatened. If a poor immigrant from a 3rd world country is as qualified as you are for a job, you should sort your f* life out. I would rather have Britain full of industrious asians and Jews than full of white trash council estate retards that lower the average IQ and pollute the f* gene pool. I think we should have a 1 in 1 out system and trade these EDL tards.
smuk1900 4 months ago 2
bill is an idiot racist acting like a scholar.. he didnt know anything.. why does the EDL keep picking dumbasses to represent themselves?? or maybe they consist of dumbasses..
wailonkok 4 months ago
i was goner treat mesen to a curry from the karachi,um not now.....fckn loved them currys i did......but im not puttn money in them muslims pockets.....wud it be ok to by from a indian restraunt instead ??????????????????
100scoooby 4 months ago
wtf Tony Blair a socialist?!?!?! wtf??? New Labour is further right than the BNP :\
SyndicalistTimes 4 months ago
I wish this EDL guy would stop calling liberals 'socialists'.
SyndicalistTimes 4 months ago
the troops ARE killers. What the fuck do you think they get paid for? EDL people are morons.
SyndicalistTimes 4 months ago
Revert to Catholicism....listen to the Pope ....and throw away your contraceptives. This alone will resist Islamisation. Your government will silently surrender you to Islam. Support a CATHOLIC STATE my friends......
amaqula 4 months ago
@amaqula Revert to Paedophilia....listen to the Pope, throw away your contraceptives and and fill a 12 year old boy's bum with your penis as is legal in the Vatican catholic state. Your government will silently look the other way. Support a PAEDOPHILE STATE my friends....
SyndicalistTimes 4 months ago
@SyndicalistTimes
No need to be disgusting. You must be an anti-Christ. Satan awaits. CATHOLIC STATE for the future my friends.....if you don't want the Calihate shoved down your throat by your evil government!!!! Beware their plans for you!!!
amaqula 4 months ago
@amaqula
Yes, I am Satan, and I await you and your paedophile-protector pope, who is my minion.
SyndicalistTimes 4 months ago
@gunner23 i quite agree kids and women shouldnt be getting abused, thats not the religion thats the culture, theres the diffrence. Fyi the guy from norway killed in the name of christianity, and dont kids and women get abused in this country too? Peados molesting boys/girls in churches? Or is that diffrent somehow
lyricyst 4 months ago
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muslims are terrorists.
navneetdeo 4 months ago
OH MUSLIMS ACT NOW. FREE BABAR AHMAD, SIGN THE PETITION. CHECK MY OUT MY VIDEO
01AbdulAzeez 4 months ago
Paul 'Dhimmi' Williams.
gunner23 5 months ago
@gunner23
No, it should be: Paul 'Muslim' Williams
mimimw123 5 months ago
i support the edl but this interviewer is brilliant.
yorksbill 5 months ago
I keep hearing about english identity? People just say that, they say nowt else. They dont tell us what it means to be english they just shout slogans and walk round the town getting pissed.
grimblebrumble17889 5 months ago
Your vodka is Russian. Your pizza is Italian. Your kebab is KURDISH. Your democracy is Greek. Your coffee is Brazilian. Your movies are American. Your tea is Sri Lankan. Your shirt is African and Indian. Your oil is Saudi Arabian. You car is Japanese. Your electronics are Chinese. Your numbers Arabic, your letters Latin. And you complain that your neighbour is an immigrant? Pull yourself together the english need other races in england your not better than ANYONE
MEDES77 5 months ago
@MEDES77 Our literary master is Shakespeare. Our Poet, Wordsworth. our Economist , Keynes, our discovery, the SP vaccine. Our scientist, Newton, his discovery is gravity, our physicist is Hawking. Our biologist is Crick, his discovery is DNA . Our Sport is football. Our Universitiy is Cambridge.Our men are the SAS. Our leader is Churchill. Our Queen is Elizabeth and Our King was the Lionheart.And our Country is Christian and thats why all immigrants want to live here. Keep your fucking pizza.
gunner23 5 months ago
@gunner23 and what have you got now. 4 qualifications you need to be a EDL member. 1; you must be ignorant and be as thick as pigs shit. 2. you must read THE SUN newspaper and THE NEWS OF THE WORLD on a sunday. 3 you must only eat fish n chips, egg and bean , bubble and squeak, sausages and pies and foreign larger. 4. you must be pasty faced and wear only outdated thugwear like STONE ISLAND (PRADA for poor people).you are contributing nothing to the world or society except a bunch of chavs
MEDES77 5 months ago
@MEDES77 Qaulification to be a Muslim: believe that a man that married a 6 year old and had sex with her at 9 is a prophet of GOd( Bukhari vol 7.65), when he beheaded 700 jews in one day (Ishaq 464) some boys (4:52:256) and commanded that all Jews must be killed by muslims to usher in the day of judgement (Sahih Muslim 41 69:85). You must also believe that the Suns sets in mud(Quran 18:86). You must also kill those who apostasize (Sahih B 4:52:260) and have sex with slave girls (Quran 23:5-6)
gunner23 5 months ago
and what can you come up with? that we wear Stone Island, You ignorant fool, lambasting the English when some muslims all over the world are killing Christians, converts and non muslims and raping little girls in Pakistan. Whilst sharia infested shit pools like in Iran are putting christian pastors to death, you've got the nerve to condemn indigenous brits with something so horrific and violent as reading the Sun. Yeah, cos thats really just as bad.
gunner23 5 months ago
@MEDES77 LOL.
smuk1900 4 months ago
your QUEEN is German you are all Anglo-Saxons and Norsemen so there is no ENGLISH what are you fighting for.!for a QUEEN THAT S GERMAN OR YOU Like to Blame your fucking life-problems on all that are not white. Sorry, but the EDL is a complete and utter joke. This video shows it. Every march consists mainly of a load of chavs chanting football songs. The majority of them are completely ignorant and probably couldn't tell you anything about the history or heritage of Britain.
MEDES77 5 months ago
This "Paul" character clearly doesn't live anywhere near, for example, parts of Leicester.
This is complete nonsense because Paul does not represent the core EDL.
bertyUK 5 months ago
@bertyUK
Paul is a Muslim, and not part of the EDL (he is the one arguing against them) - don't you mean Bill Baker?
mujtahid2006 5 months ago 5
@mujtahid2006
Sorry i'm not clear on this - who is arguing for whom?
I would be very of critical of Paul Williams, he has a dangerous aura about him, one of an embittered ulterior motive. He is dangerous, very much like a political impostor.
A person of Paul's demographic could live perfectly happy as a married christian in England.
bertyUK 5 months ago
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kill every fuckin muslim
gosden2010 5 months ago
@gosden2010
You a member of the EDL?
mujtahid2006 5 months ago 3
@gosden2010 No kill you.
serpentzara 5 months ago
@gosden2010 And how would you kill 1.3 Billion people? you inbred yob.
imy807 4 months ago
next hell be a Jew then Buddhism ... really a load of bullshit AND MEGA RESPECT TO THE EDL ... PLUS I GOT 2k GUYS IN MY TOWN all races all ready for anything that may start .. all just waiting for the internal riots to start and the civilians to do the job of the Real ENGLISH ..... i cant wait for the time .. please do it within the next 2 years ill be a marine and ill be readt for that shit :) ..so buzzing for this to take off "RISE AND RISE AGAIN UNTIL SHEEP BECOME WOLF"
stevilei 5 months ago
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@youngdotmoney Muslims arent targeting non Muslims. What u were led to believe is made up. In the quran it tells u to kill the non believers. This revelation came after 13 years of persecution where Muslims werent allowed to fight back. Only after they faced extinction again was this revelation revealed. It gave Muslims permission to fight back even though they were outnumbered. The timing of the verses were perfect and gives us an indication of how patient Muslims were then and should b now..
TexasAaron99 5 months ago
Muslims are not being 'targeted like the jews' Muslims are targeting infidels, because it states in the quran infidels should die
youngdotmoney 5 months ago
@youngdotmoney Muslims arent targeting non Muslims. What u were led to believe is made up. In the quran it tells u to kill the non believers. This revelation came after 13 years of persecution where Muslims werent allowed to fight back. Only after they faced extinction again was this revelation revealed. It gave Muslims permission to fight back even though they were outnumbered. The timing of the verses were perfect and gives us an indication of how patient Muslims were then and should b now..
TexasAaron99 5 months ago
Islam is a threat to all non-muslims, and if we don't put a stop to Islamic law, then the future of our non-muslims children will be a un English society
youngdotmoney 5 months ago
the EDL reminds me of the Sturmabteilung, same kind of ugly obnoxious knuckle draggers
GriefTourist 5 months ago
A good debate but i believe the english representative was poorly chosen compared to the muslim representative. More debates like this on a national level will help everyone to understand eachothers points of views and build a co-operative relationship.
gspannu85 5 months ago
the presenter sucks so bad. hes not being neutral, hes actually debating with the EDL dummy against the muslim side.
sube3 5 months ago
hahaha this guy, bill baker is a retard...true representative of the edl, and he is probably one of the most educated of them. He ends up agreeing with paul and then starts with the same line, we do not hate islam but we do not like sharia law. Learn how to debate, going round in circles throughout because of this idiot. God help people like this, no hope i say.
khanhass 5 months ago
penalty for leaving islam in muslim countries is "DEATH"
navneetdeo 5 months ago
@navneetdeo and do you know the rules surrounding that? if not keep your ignorant mouth shut, those who speak without knowledge should not speak
khanhass 5 months ago
WHY DOESNT THIS VIDEO HAVE MORE VIEWS?!?!?!
GeneralSaddam 5 months ago
Muslims don't belong in the west, don't fit in to western civilization, it doesn't work. They don't agree with our way of life and we don't agree with their way of life or views.
Everyone should stay in their own backyard, simple as that. Multiculturalism does not work.
minimalmodulation 5 months ago
@minimalmodulation yeh well wen u leave our countries alone we'll leave urs, go ahead and tell the americans n british to leave saudi, iraq, afghanistan, libya, syria, egypt, pakistan, bangladesh, and evrywhere else they think they hav a right to interfere, they can't even keep ther own countries free from crime and they think they have the right to police the world? such arrogance is disgusting, even u must admit that?
rani12ka4 5 months ago
I think Muslim should be happy that we gave them room in "OUR"!!!! country !!!! Would they have done the same thing for US!? Fuck Islam!
Markov11989 5 months ago
@Markov11989: The British didnt even ask for permission 2 be given room in other countries, they simply forced their way in and as part of imperial colonisation stole the wealth & resources of countless countries. The British jewels (1 of which - the Kohi Noor - was at 1 point the biggest diamond in the world) are from India, I wonder if the Indians gave it as a gift?!
dooli1981 5 months ago
@dooli1981 Why live in the past? You sound like a racist.
vonsmith 5 months ago
@vonsmith: Past actions affect the present. Have u ever heard the phrase "what goes around comes around"? or how about "you reap what u sow"? or even "U made ur bed so now lay in it"?
The British are now suffering for the past crimes of their government's actions in other lands, just as they once raped other lands of their wealth & resources so it has come full circle today.
dooli1981 5 months ago
@dooli1981 And by this you believe its OK for anybody who suffered at the hands of our forefathers to commit acts of hatred towards us??? If you do believe this then you are a first class fuckwit. Why do people live in the past??? Grow the fuck up.
vonsmith 5 months ago
@vonsmith: I believe terrorists whoever they r & watever creed they
follow 2 be criminals. I simply stated a fact: past actions affect
present reality. Wat troubles me is the extreme hatred EDL hav 2wards
Muslims, y is this wen its the govrnmnt that pass the laws that favor
immigrants over natives? Shldnt EDLs beef be with the govrnmnt 2 change
policies etc & not hate a whole demographic? The EDLs hate is specifically targeted at Muslims/Islam
dooli1981 5 months ago
the koran and the bible are toilet paper
67mikew 5 months ago
I am a Muslim, but my personal view is that we need to revise the Sharia law to tailor it according to the prevailing morden values. Radical islam should be treated as not islam. And those who follows the radical islam should be regarded as non-muslims.
SuperMoneyBusiness 6 months ago
i dont know what everyones arguing about, this seemed like a successful debate since they got to the heart of the situation. look at the british policy and stop scapegoating muslims. please dont generalise us all on a media based stereotype or what anjum chaudry preaches.
muslimdefenseladyno1 6 months ago
Yup, lets invite a thuggish looking EDL member to debate aginst a Muslim convert who happens to be a speaker and quite well educated. At the end of the day, Muslims and their faith is based around a false prophet. As much as they mention peace, their religion is based around the erradication of others who do not follow Islam. A new crusade is coming. The Jihad they so wanted will come...at their expense.
vonsmith 6 months ago
@vonsmith
You sound like you're part of Anders Brevik's Crusade? You planning to kill a bunch of children too?
mujtahid2006 6 months ago 15
@mujtahid2006 Class response. I should have guessed me trying to define mediation would come up against...a Muslim? Might be wrong here, but as soon as a negative is given against a fascist religion, then bigots, like yourself, appear. Your false prophet is noted as consummating his marriage with a child. And you mention children...
vonsmith 6 months ago
@mujtahid2006 What a tool you are for reading that into what I have written. The crusade that Muslims fanatics want, will come at THEIR expense. And raising the notion that I would want to kill a bunch of kids, well that deepens the closes the intelligence gap between you and a baked bean. Now I bet your a Muslim...
vonsmith 5 months ago
@vonsmith Prophet Muhammad(saw) a false Prophet ? lol
Allahsarmy 6 months ago
@Allahsarmy Typical brainwashed response. A belief in a religion that is ill to it's core suggests that you cannot think for yourself. I don't blame you, nor do I blame others like you who have the same thought train. Look outside of the box. See how evil religion is. Who tells you to believe? Who forces you to recite a faith/religion. Finally, prove that this prophet and his mantra/words are true and not the words of a few evil, manipulative forefathers.
vonsmith 6 months ago
@vonsmith In order to strart Crusade you need a formal approval from either the Church of England or Rome Catholic Church and none of them will ever support this.
SuperMoneyBusiness 6 months ago
@vonsmith well said. i mean it aint just infidels or people in america who think we have it in for muslim countrys that islamists hate, its anybody who doesnt bend to there religion , they have been known to burn out buddist monastrys throughout the east and this (IS) a peaceful religion they dony want to intergrate. even in saudi arabia there is somali & other black people live there and there treated like shit cause they aint arabs so there is racism within the so called muslim brotherhood
annabatarowicz 6 months ago
@annabatarowicz Good points. But try to reason or debate this religion and you are branded a racist, infidel or christian. A defence mechanism Islam uses is brainwashing. I actually feel sorry for the young children who are virtually whipped into reciting the Quran daily. Now that is abuse.
vonsmith 5 months ago
@annabatarowicz: It wasnt that long ago that black people in the west wer treated horrendously coz of the colour of their skin. Despite all of the progress in race relations & apparent equality ther is still deep racism, 4 e.g the recent issue with monkey chants in Europe towards black football players. Sure ther r sum racist Saudis who happen 2 b Muslim, its not part of the religion but simply actions of ignoramuses. Quran & Prophet Muhammed stress heavily the equality of humans in sight of God
dooli1981 5 months ago
@vonsmith Thats because the members of EDL are thuggish looking uneducated people.
lovebuzz125 5 months ago
@lovebuzz125 And you know that for a fact? It seems to me, that with a response like that which you have given, you fall into that category...? If you read my post it is about mediation. The EDL are mediated in a way which delivers them to be 'thuggish' and 'uneducated', drunk football hooligans. Mediation is the hub of generic decision making, it seems...
vonsmith 5 months ago
@vonsmith If what you say is true about the EDL being mediated in the wrong way, Do you think that is true also for Islam? or is this an exclusive phenomenon that only the EDL suffers from?
lovebuzz125 5 months ago
@lovebuzz125 My point is simple. Mediation can be pro or non-pro to the words/images being expressed. Wether the stratergy be for the EDL or Islam. But there is damning evidence to suggest that both of the parties you have mentioned are sinister in plot. The difference is that the EDL are a minority group with big ambitions, Islam is a global belief which has numerous ties to acts of evil perpetrated throughout history. But lets not look at the past. Look at the here and now to what is happening
vonsmith 5 months ago
@vonsmith Firstly the claim that "islam has numerous ties to acts of evil perpetrated throughout history" gives no weight to your argument even in the case of that statement being true. Every single nation, race, religion etc has ties with acts of evil throughout history. My point is that people like those involved with the EDL are fighting the wrong people. Islam and muslims are not responsible for the rights and freedoms (or the loss of ) in britain.
lovebuzz125 5 months ago
@lovebuzz125 By your rationale, you are contradicting what you are saying. Or you are not comprehending what I am saying. I have mentioned Islam having a train of evil following it over the centuries due to the fact that the video is about the 'Muslim Convert' and the EDL. I could have mentioned many cults/religions etc to exemplify my point but this is relevant...Nor do I mention that it is anybodies fault, it is how 'things' are mediated.
vonsmith 5 months ago
@vonsmith As though there are any intelligent EDL members out there. Lol.
azyeennekun 5 months ago
@azyeenneku There probably are, but they have got to a breaking point and decided to join the EDL. It's daft of you to assume this.
vonsmith 5 months ago
@vonsmith As though it's not daft of you to assume a new crusade is coming. Just calm down.
azyeennekun 5 months ago
@azyeennekun And if you would like to read my first post with this video. It is the fanatical Muslims who so want the new crusade (jihad) and they will only bring it on themselves. Which is why I mentioned it!!! It was not just Europeans who went on crusades. Jesus, I wish people would read before spouting off.
vonsmith 5 months ago
@vonsmith As though everyone but you is absolutely insane and stupid. Tut tut.
azyeennekun 5 months ago
@vonsmith jesus peace be upon him preached the same, look in the bible luke 19 verse 27 he said to his followers to bring those to him who refused to accept him as their king and slay them in front of him.
rani12ka4 5 months ago
@rani12ka4 I am not religious. This means nothing to me. It would if people globally adhered to this, all in the name of religion...
vonsmith 5 months ago
@vonsmith Have you even read one verse of the Qur'an? Have you even actually learnt about Islam from an actual practising Muslim or do you just hear it on the news and start thinking Islam is about terrorism? Have an open mind istead of arguing all the time and start learning properly about Islam.
khanhass 5 months ago
@khanhass Tell me, why would I want to do this? Why would you want to argue with me about me arguing? Be open minded...? I wish numpties like you would read my original post correctly. I have sectioned out Islam and it's history as the topic is about Muslims and the EDL. I have not gone out to pick on your religion. But seems as you mention it, yes I do find even moderate Muslims take this piss. You want, want want, you don't want to integrate (proof supplied if wanted)!!!!!! Grow a pair.
vonsmith 5 months ago
@vonsmith so are you an edl member? integrate, with people who go out drinking, sleeping with eachothers girlfriends, spreading their filthy diseases etc please, id rather be amish. If you mean integrating by talking to your white negihbours, at work, go play footy or something, then i do that already mate but we wont suck upto your low values and try kiss some ass like some other asians
khanhass 5 months ago
@vonsmith A false prophet? Compared to all of those legitimate prophets out there?
grimblebrumble17889 5 months ago
@grimblebrumble17889 I don't for one minute believe in 'prophets', which in turn would indicate that they are all false. I do however, disagree with poor mediation. I also have the heaviest of reservations against the religion that is Islam. Everywhere this religion is, there is hatred and evil.
vonsmith 5 months ago
@vonsmith Muslims are rather bad. But Jews and their Christian dogs are far far worse. Look at what they did to Europe and are still doing to Europe. We didnt end up with these fucking muslims because of secular people did we? When you attack a snake you go for the head. In this case the head is a wearing a skull cap and speaking hebrew.
grimblebrumble17889 5 months ago
haha did u see the EDL man perk up when he heard the word muslim at the start
mmc786 6 months ago
OH MAN, IS THAT YOUR SPOKESMAN FOR EDL, U FCKIN SCHOOL DROPOUT HOW CANNOT EVEN SPELL SHARIA? SHIII... THIS TELLS YOU THE INTELLIGENCE OF YOUR RACIST PIGS CALLED EDL
DJDEEQ 6 months ago
@DJDEEQ He is the result of a dumbed down educational system. A system that is getting worse when school teachers cannot complete the cirriculum because too many of their class cannot speak any English. So Fuck you, (thats Anglo Saxon, by the way.)
Djinnmeister 6 months ago
I understand that the whole point of this debate was genuine, having said that.
Since when did Islam suddenly become a race when it's always had followers from every race and nationality?
Torchmark 6 months ago 5
The Muslim revert is a very inteligent man
Allahsarmy 6 months ago 16
@Allahsarmy I like the fact you used the word "revert" instead of "convert". As "revert" is exactly what he has done. He has gone backwards.
GhibliFan1 6 months ago
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@GhibliFan1 lol you people really dont know whats coming do you
Allahsarmy 6 months ago
@Allahsarmy that Muslim "revert" is a retarded
Markov11989 5 months ago
@Allahsarmy Not that intelligent obviously...
He's converted to a similar fairy story as Christians and all other religions
googleisshittoss 5 months ago
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@googleisshittoss Hello Friend, hope your ok. If I may ask, what is your concept of God? What is your idea what God is or isn't? I would love to know. I thank you in advance.
Peace be upon you, from a Muslim.
AbuAmanah 5 months ago
@Allahsarmy How can you call intelligent.....someone who believe in god?
filippoprevitali 5 months ago
@filippoprevitali Hello Friend, hope your ok. If I may ask, what is your concept of God? What is your idea what God is or isn't? I would love to know. I thank you in advance.
Peace be upon you, from a Muslim.
AbuAmanah 5 months ago
@AbuAmanah my idea of God? something that has been invented by men to control stupid people. It started ages ago and went through the greeks, the romans etc. No difference between cristians, muslims or jewish......they all believe in fairy tales! I don't give a shit if you believe in allah or jesus. This is your problem.....but I don't accept you pretend to bring your stupid sharia in this country. I flew from italy because of the vatican......and now? Do I have to fly to Norway to escape?
filippoprevitali 5 months ago
@filippoprevitali Hello Friend. Is it not also true that explaining the truth or falsity of an idea not to be a good one because of it's origin, is what is known as the 'genetic fallacy'?
All I am saying is that anything that BEGINS to exist, MUST have a cause. If the Universe, including Time-Space-Matter, all begun to exist, than where did it come from? Nothing? But from nothing ONLY nothing comes. I am reasoning that there must be a Creator who created everything that BEGUN to exist.
Peace
AbuAmanah 5 months ago
@AbuAmanah the difference between me and you....if science cannot explain something your solution is "there must be a creator"........for me, for me to accept that before the big bang there was just another space, another time or another "something".....is definitely easier the thinking about a god or a creator!
Accept this.....you believe in god because you have been told to do so since you were child......and to ged rid of this is like trying to make a monkey sleeping with a snake....
filippoprevitali 5 months ago
@filippoprevitali You said: "before the big bang there was just another space," That's not science it's faith. So ur reasoning n sincere. But my Friend, we can all be sincerely wrong.
"Science" says Time begun to exist. So what was happening before Time begun? Nothing? Natural World begun to exist. Even if nature existed, but Time didn't, than NO change within that natural world can occur. I am reasoning, that there has to be a First cause somewhere, other wise we wouldn't have wht we have 2day.
AbuAmanah 5 months ago
@AbuAmanah if have got faith......I have got faith on science! I accept there might have been a different time from what we know today. For me is unconceivable to believe we are the product of an intelligent design and controlled everyday by a mighty god. To believe in God means to consider the man in a different way from a snail or a rock........I do think we are only a minimal step of a relentless process....called evolution.
filippoprevitali 5 months ago
@filippoprevitali "might have been a different time" My Friend that's ur Faith/Hope, n it's not based on established science. Is it not reasonable to suggest 4m nothing only nothing comes? If SCIENCE tells us tht Universe inc Time itself BEGUN 2exist, meaning nothing was happening b4 it came into existence. If nothing was happening, than nothing could have continued 2happen 4ever. I am reasoning tht something had to get things started, but not because it had to. Why? B/c there was no past event.
AbuAmanah 5 months ago
@AbuAmanah no chance to find a compromise between me and you. Your mind is open to believe in god.....mine would rather belive in Santa Claus......pretty much the same to me. Just fairies. :)
have a very good day my friend....you will go to heaven....I will burn to hell.... your "good" lord has decided.
filippoprevitali 5 months ago
@filippoprevitali Now hold on ! How can you call inteligent......... someone who does not ? Athiests are a very small minority in the world about 5%. The rest of the world have a belief of some kind or another, Are you saying the 5% who do not believe in God, has more Inteligence then those who do believe in God ? What do you 5% think you have that the rest of the 95% dont. And Islam is Growing so fast you cant keep stats on Islam. would you allow me to show you something ?
Allahsarmy 5 months ago
@Allahsarmy you are pathetic! of course everyone who believes in a god is stupid! every religion has been inented for the simple purpose of controlling ignorant people.....therefore.....if you believe....you are stupid or ignorant.
Now, please stop talking about your stupid law......if you wanna go back to middleage....your business....leave this country and go to saudi arabia!
filippoprevitali 5 months ago
@filippoprevitali: Ok, if you are soo right, then Dis-proove God !
KnowlegeIsPower2011 5 months ago
@KnowlegeIsPower2011 I will dis-proove God.....right after you will dis-proove the golden teapot orbiting around the sun singing "we are the champion". Can you?
filippoprevitali 5 months ago
@filippoprevitali: I will do, According to science, there is no 'golden teapot orbiting around the sun singing "we are the champion". It also does not appear on the many satellite images that we have of the sun. The thing is, you are an idiot using stupid examples and no credibility or valuable knowlege. There is no point me arguing with a waste of life like yourself. Anyway, its your turn to dis-proove God. Good Luck.
KnowlegeIsPower2011 4 months ago
@KnowlegeIsPower2011 ahahahhaahah....this is the final prouve you are the most stupid man on earth! Fisrt of all....you can't use the world 'science' to prouve the existence of your god.....faith and sicence don't go toghether! ahahahahah is like your stupid preacher when they say salt and water don't mix! ahahahahahah
Second, I took the example of the teapot only to show your stupidity. If is there any teapot in the space, it would be so small that no satellite would be able to see. YOU FAILED!
filippoprevitali 4 months ago
@filippoprevitali: Hahahah . . . NO, you Idiot. Your comment is proof that you can't spell or produce one gramatically correct sentance. Just to correct you, Science & Faith DO go together. Why is it that the Quran alone contains over 1000 scientific verses? But judging by your childish comments, which seriously lack any credibility, Im guessing you wouldn't understand even if the truth smacked you in the face. The Quran contains science that has only recently been discovered with technology.
KnowlegeIsPower2011 4 months ago
@KnowlegeIsPower2011 no...honestly....are we serious? I really thought we were just joking........wait a moment.....do you really believe in a God who created the earth and the heaven in 6 days? Do you really believe in a God who created the sky as a roof? Ok....if you do so.....then we can jump to next topic: why God created such a stupid human being like you...able to believe on these BULSHITTS!!!!!! WAKE UP!
filippoprevitali 4 months ago
@filippoprevitali: You really are ignorant.. It says, 'We made the sky a preserved and protected roof yet still they turn away from Our Signs'. (Qur'an, 21:32) This is in reference to the protective Ozone Layer that surrounds the Earth's Atmosphere and protects us from many hamrfull things. If you had a brain you would do your research into the issue. The people of the time (1400 yrs ago) did not speak in the same way as people in the 21st Century, hence the simpler words. Do some Research !
KnowlegeIsPower2011 4 months ago 17
@KnowlegeIsPower2011 allah huakbar i didn't look at t that way. that makes so much sense. ya allah allah speaks the truth
82ayda 3 months ago
@KnowlegeIsPower2011 ok give me more this can easliy mean other things
islam is no more scientific than my religon christianity hell might be less (what with the fact the muslim world is backwards)
failurbanik 2 months ago
@failurbanik 2/3 of Converts to Islam are Wome nfrom the U.S, UK and other nations..Most are educated, attractive and very intelligent..Am an Irish female who converted to Islam 3 years ago and it's the best decision I ever made..Does anybody notice how ELD members speak in a chav way? most are uneducated, uncivilized and ignorant? many are unemployed too. These people cannot understand something Superior then them..Extreism will always happen if u bomb families and homes!
timingdays 2 months ago 8
@timingdays im an american who became an anti islamnist about one year ago
best decision i ever made
most muslims in the mid east are BARBIANS who want their SHITY way of life to be EVERYONES shity way of life the edl and what im joining the adl wants this to NOT happen
and we bomb the mid east because they bombed us FUCK THEM
failurbanik 2 months ago
@failurbanik Show proof of your allegations? your sooo bitter and ignorant. I bet u have been rejected in the apst and been dumped lol...Only unattractive, weak and jelous people like you will be affected lol... While the Holy texts of the Holy Quran were being written generation to generation your ancestors were savesg/barbarians in jungles FACT..In the west rape is HIGH , adultry is high, single mothers/fathers is high, sexual dieases is high, murder is rampant so is depression!
timingdays 2 months ago
@timingdays ok lets get a few things strait
frist in the past most were to qoute savages
islamnists were some of the worst affenders there is a story that a muslim warrior rode thru eygpt to get jumped by fellow muslims who ATE him for his power there is some truth to this
secound yes our culture is moraly decitent but islamic countrys are WORSE killing mercs then burning them then HANGIUNG THEIR DEAD BODIES ON A BRIDGE (glad we destoryed them all)
failurbanik 2 months ago
@timingdays cont islamic countrys follow sharia the most horrible law system i have ever heard of
hands of thevies cut off
fags killed
witches killed
apostates killed
christians and jews QUESS WHAT killed
failurbanik 2 months ago
Also teenage pregnancis are highest in the west...All this is a rear minority within Muslims and the Islamic/Muslim world so who is barbarian now? who is infidel now?...You messes with Muslims they will mess with you simple psyhsics..A lot of what we have today was invented by the Muslims. Least their shitty way of life is Cleaner then ours in the west FACT. Muslims want their own law for them, NOT u , u thick ignorant fool. Your pssy behind a PC lol..Ur blocked
timingdays 2 months ago
Lastly did Iraq attack america? did Afghanistan attack america? it was america who attacked Iraq in the Gulf-War, its americas and british foreign policy which breeds extreismts. america supports isreal hence killing innocent Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims. U rednecks rely on Arabs or Oil lol..Whenver has a Muslim forced any non-muslim to abide by their law? u think fukers use an excuse for ur hatred, bitterness & lonely life. Islam is spreading & NOTHING u can do.Wnt read ur comments.
timingdays 2 months ago
@failurbanik dont americans want to impose their way of lives on others? this is evident everywhere in the world,
you sir, are a hypocrite.
midgetman8888 2 months ago