Christopher Hitchens is right. God is capricious. In fact, the Creator has sent a message confirming that.
The Creator has posted a video on YouTube. The message comes to you directly, without the need for transcription or interpretation by bronze-age scribes, or analysis by Stephen Hawking.
The video tells you how you came to be here, outlines the meaning and purpose of your life, and gives you an insight into the future of humankind.
Jesus is the one and greatest example , we all fall short . He fills us he does not leave us empty . Love not hate . Always trive for truth not reason to hate .
fact is, we're evolved, not *poof* created. humanity is part of a continuum, and assertions of an exalted place is the universe is unfounded and completely arbitrary. "oh, but we have reason and intelligence, what a gift!"
our intelligence comes from a genetic difference between us and apes, our intelligence, philosophy, and faith would be nothing next to the mind of beings as far from us genetically as we are from chimps.
Here is a representation of a God who is not laughing at our suffering, or enjoying it.
The Creator has posted a video on YouTube. The message comes to you directly, without the need for transcription or interpretation by bronze-age scribes.
The video tells you how you came to be here, outlines the meaning and purpose of your life, and gives you an insight into the future of humankind.
atheism has no logic outside that which people can apply to it. ie our understanding of this universe is as of yet incomplete thus we cannot logically assume one thing or another about the existence of a creator being. also, this understanding is likely to remain incomplete. so... atheism ends up being just another faith system, a form of antifaith if you will. we say yes, you say no, like the beatles song, they hated religion too.
@cwross1976 I’m an atheist because I don’t “believe” in a god. Not because I “know” there is no god. I don’t believe in god in the same way that I don’t believe in Bigfoot. Faith is the belief in something in the absence of evidence. I don’t believe in god precisely because there is no evidence.
So true, If I said Aliens exist & they created life on earth, I would have the burden of proof, And until I prove it you shouldn't believe in it.
But One thing that bugs me is Agnostics! Seriously, sure god could exist, just like aliens can, but theres no evidence for either so why believe in either? Its silly & redundant to call oneself an agnostic/agnostic atheist, thats just dodging the question. You wouldn't call yourself an agnostic on the question of aliens, so why on god?
@nazmibest Exactly, I think a lot of people just get the terms mixed up. Most atheists, at least the ones I know, will not say they “know” there is no god. Knowing something puts a person in the position of needing to provide evidence. Most agnostics I know are actually atheist, they are just afraid to use the A word. I don’t believe in Bigfoot, but I don’t have to provide evidence that Bigfoot does not exist. You can’t prove a negative.
@AstronomyGuru84 All agnostics are atheists. To be a theist means to believe that the creator of the universe contacts us, gives us instructions, has expectations of us, etc. If you can't even get to the point of saying there is a creator of the universe, or more specifically, that it can be known whether or not there is a creator of the universe, then you obviously do not think that the creator of the universe writes books, speaks through prophets, and all of that nonsense.
@AstronomyGuru84 (continued) ...Therefore, you are an atheist, which after all (as you rightly point out) does not mean you claim to know for certain that there is no god, but simply that you do not follow a religion.
@dpowens Being secular makes me non-religious. I'm a de facto atheist. I can't know for certain, no one can, but I think god is very improbable. I’ve always viewed agnostics as being squarely on the fence. Me, I’ve got two feet on the ground with one finger on the fence. Never play the affirmative card unless you can provide evidence. I call myself atheist but technically I’m agnostic atheist.
@AstronomyGuru84 Same here. I was just saying... same with all agnostics. I guess you could be atheist but not agnostic. But not the other way 'round, it seems to me.
@dpowens The words and definitions can get a little confusing. You also have militant atheist; sometimes I can’t stand those types. They’re in your face about it and they tend to belittle others. I’m more of a laid back-down to earth atheist.
@2:29 "...and that, I think, is a better way to see the evidence as it is before us."
What evidence? I've seen no evidence for any god. Ever. Oh, I think I get it. He actually thinks his bible is "evidence." I wonder if he thinks the koran or the bhagavad gita qualifies as evidence. Probably not.
@YY4Me133 stupid religionists,with the multitude of religions out there in the world the 'search for god' has become the biggest wild goose chase in mans` history.All of them ignoring the historical fact ,todays religions,believed by many,become the futures mythology.
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There is no way that christian arguments can hold up against the logic of atheism. But I know how difficult it is to argue with these people. They stick their fingers in their ears and chant "La la la la, I'm not listening". I have to admit, I sometimes enjoy the shocked looks I get when I announce that I don't want a christian burial.
Can I just point out one problem with the whole God is a father bit? My dad is honestly one of the smartest, funniest, most loving people I've met. He wants me, my brother, and my sisters to have free will. However, you can bet he wouldn't start a hurricane to destroy our houses and kill our families or let one of us kill the other in the name of free will. Maybe the Christian gentleman and I have different views of what a loving father does.
the guy on the end kills me. one of hitches main arguments against theism is that theists claim to know the mind of god. what he wants us to do, who we should, and hitches favorite in what positions we should have sex in. from deism ie not knowing but implying order, to absolute certainy. this guy comes in with what if god "knows that theyll suffer and have pain but wants them to understand and have a relationship." where are you getting this knowledge? its pontificating about what he wishes
atheist people dont take the burden of other atheist actions (stalin,Hitlor,lenon,Mao etc) however they always try to put all the filth of religious people on every religious person i think it is not fair ? ? ?
@johnbaptist15 because RELIGION teaches to commit these crimes ! i can quote 1000s of verses ! atheism is simply not believing in god ..its not a religion or a club ! not every nazi killed a jew ...so the nazis who didnt kill are not to be critiqued? youre an idiot!
I can't BELIEVE that they cut out the intro to this video where Craig, Strobel, Wilson, Guthrie & Dennison did their ridiculous little dance before they took the stage!!!
@WHATYOUSAYCLOWN If you think it's strange for an atheist to "hoover around" atheist videos, what does this say about a religious person doing the same? Look in the mirror before you criticize others for doing the same as you are doing. Why does a religious person speak out? Why should atheists not do the same? Especially when many of us, especially after 9/11 (and other religious travesties which I'll list if you wish), have become convinced that religion is DANGEROUS?
I never realized, until after I became an atheist, how incredibly condescending and juvenile all the "heavenly father" talk is, like that which begins at 1:25. I realize now what another atheist told me recently. "Some people, NEED to have a parent figure" throughout their whole lives, who watches over them and tells them what is right and wrong. They just are never able to really grow up.
I'd like to see "Hitch" attend a debate like this in Saudi Arabia about Islam with Muslims sitting next to him and in the audience. That would be fun to see. But, of course, Hitchens is too chicken-shit to do something like that. He'll spew his Christian hatred as long as he's protected by a society created by Christians.
@YesYou123333 I think the fact that you suggest that he should be 'scared' at all just proves his points on islam (of which there are many, so i wont go into them). From what I know of Islam, they dont accept the freedom of speech that would allow a debate such as this to happen in Saudi Arabia. I get the impression, however, that if you're right, and that fear is justified (which it may be) then why would he when he can make the same points in the safety of a civilized, academic debate?
@YesYou123333 Actually, you see, if he did so, more likely then not, he'd be beheaded, like many other infidels. I dislike all religions, personally. I find them just as disgusting, and immoral as he does.
@YesYou123333 Please. His primary target is simply religion . . . I've seen him debate Christians (Craig, D'Souza, etc), Jews (Boteach, Wolpe), and Muslims (Tariq Ramadan). This is simply a Christian book expo. And the reason he does more "Christian" debates in the US is obvious - - there are way more Christians here.
The title of his most well-known book is a mockery of a Muslim saying! To try and act as if he is scared of criticizing Islam is absurd on it's face. He does it routinely.
the guy rambling on with the paternal metaphor ( @ 2:00 ) seems to miss a point -- following his metaphor, imagine an EARTHLY FATHER who said "I want to relate closely with you, my wicked child who makes mistakes but has a pure heart just doesn't know any better ... but you're far too horribleto be in my presence, so I'll kill myself (or kill a PERFECT version of what my children could be) in your place to pay your horribleness-debt -- and REFUSE to be with you UNELSS you accept that payment!"
I would have liked the question Christopher posed to be answered. What about their gods other creations? They certianly have free will as well, are they subject to the same "rules"?
Why would any adult want to be a child forever to anyone for any reason? Why are there so many who still think it an admirable or good quality to reamian childlike for any reason....Unless of course it is to escape condemnation or responsibility. How is that a good thing? I personally want to be allowed to grow up, make my own mistakes, learn from them and continue to learn and grow. I am perfectly willing to accept responsibility for myself. I earned it. I will never say,"Thy will be done"
God is a crappy father through out the bible. What parent lets their children kill each other(Cain and Abel) when they have every possible way to stop that from happening. God created all life but doesn't mind killing first borne children of Egypt just to prove that he is great. He should have just made a mountain float in mid air, that would be less harmful and more impressive than any plague he used in that fairytale.
I agree with Hitchens' point in part; it's partially self-righteous to claim to know that what was written in the bible, or spoken through his 'messenger' (in whatever permutation), was actually what god intended. But then again, he is dealing with a circular perspective; I know because I was told by someone who knows, or read a bible that knows...how do they/does it know?
I believe they/it do/does, and that's enough, according to the same person/book. So if they're just retelling what they've been told, or read, I don't know if that's as lacking in humility as some (perhaps Hitchens too) appear to think.
Christian "humility" is anything but. It is actually a profound and unmatched arrogance. It is a pretense to know the answers to the deepest questions men have ever asked, it makes the most extraordinary and sweeping claims ever made, and claims exemption from even ordinary evidence and logic, and these claims include the threat of eternal torture as the price for skepticism. This is not "humility, but is instead arrogance on a towering scale.
@DandAinTac Wonderful comment. I am in AWE at the bloated ego of any christian control freak that wishes to "educate" me. They are condescending and obnoxious elitists that claim to "know" god personally, and they alone have the truth. I have grown up in the clutches of these deranged cult members. I have seen up close the toll their insanity takes on the people around them. They will reduce their own children's minds to rubble to install their religious programming. They are dangerous.
@spacep0d - idk perhaps they think they are right. But luckily for us we live in the real world. Could you imagine for a sec that the Christian god was real how terrifying that would be and a lame excuse for an existence to be born a prisoner and demanded to straiten up or get the death penalty for all eternity. I think the Christians call that "free will?"
there is an implication here that evil must exist to have free will. if adam and eve had free will before the serpent, why did god allow or create the serpent?
A Christian who tells you that he knows that God is making sure he is interpreting the Bible correctly is a potentially dangerous person. Most devout Christians in America are not dangerous primarily because they feel very safe and very much in the majority. But it they ever felt like their religion or "way of life" was truly threatened, they'd stop being so sweet about offering to show you their God, and go back to what they used to do, shove it down your throat at sword (or gun) point!
I can't not comment on this. God creates you knowing you'll go through good and bad, and at the end of the day wants a relationship with you. Funny thing...I love how god wants this relationship without ever showing his all-powerful, demanding face. Can anyone have a relationship with anyone that never shows up and say "HI, howdy doo, I'm god, let's play some COD". Another example of the scare tactics Christianity uses in order to increase their 'flock'.
@echalko Would you mind answering the question? Can anyone have a relationship without ever showing his all-powerful, demanding face? Well, I know that I love my grandfather, I never met the man, but I love him. I have some family troubles and never met my uncle, I love him. Anyway, God does show himself to the world. You just don't look. If a president is walking through the airport, and you don't see him, does that mean he was not there?
@echalko If God shows himself to the world, and you don't see him, does that mean God is not there? Is that the atheist main point/? I don't see god ergo god is not there. That is a bit arrogant. Why does god have to make a special appearance for you?
@comeonfolks No my apologies if the phrase didn't demonstrate the point well enough. You can love your grandfather because there is actual evidence that he existed outside yourself and your emotions. If he hadn't existed you would not have been born. The president walked through the airport because many
people physically experienced it. My point is that if some being that wants nothing more than to hang out with you for eternity, it would do a better job of letting you know it.
@comeonfolks No my apologies if the phrase didn't demonstrate the point well enough. You can love your grandfather because there is actual evidence that he existed outside yourself and your emotions. If he hadn't existed you would not have been born. The president walked through the airport because many
people physically experienced it. My point is that if some being that wants nothing more than to hang out with you for eternity, it would do a better job of letting you know it.
We don't know what god looks like. We only know that, like God, we have free will to do what we want to do. Like God, men and women can choose if they want to do good or evil. Mind you, God is a perfect being and does not do evil..
@1HORNYJESUS If a parent had a child and the child went and murdered hundreds of people, are the parents evil or is the child? Do you hold the parents accountable for what their 40 year old child does? And God did not create the devil he created lucifer who became the devil. Just like a parent does not give birth to a murderer, the child goes off and becomes the murderer.
@inswoon So now you are saying that God should create on the basis of what you will do in the future? Do you think a parent would kill a child they knew would grow up to be a murderer? Would you kill a child you know would grow up to be a murderer? No. God knows what everything will do. He knew that the Lucifer could be bad or good, Lucifer was created good but chose to become evil. What if Lucifer had chosen to be good?
@inswoon You cannot completley understand something so pure and divine as God. He created every mind, even Christopher Hitchens' mind. God does not create homosexuals, he creates people who have a choice. He does not want anyone to be murdered. Perhaps you are beingin indoctrinated and brainwashed by the likes of Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins.
@comeonfolks I never knew about Hitchens and Dawkins as a child but I still believe there was no god. And there is no god.
I do not choose to believe something that others consider axiomatic, whilst it has no real basis or evidence. I'm not going to let religion run my life, I am not a slave.
If god is omnipresence and omniscient, then he most certainly did create everything terrible in the world.
@inswoon How does that logic follow? "If god is omnipresence and omniscient, the he most certainly did create everything terrible in the world." Was god the one who invented the atomic bomb? Guns etc etc. If you do not believe in god, fine. But that must mean science is evil. Something created a gun and the atomic bomb. There are laws that are evil. You let laws run your life or are you an anarchist?
@inswoon So I think you need to ask yourself, if god does not exist, who created all the evil in the world and then you should fight against that stuff too. This means you need to put on your 'fight against list,' democracy, republics, communist, science, all of man kind, etc etc.
@comeonfolks If he doesn't want anybody to be murdered, why create it as an action? He created homosexuals, he creates diseases, he creates murderers and he creates bombs. He knows everything that has happened and everything that will happen.
You cannot tell me I cannot fathom something whilst our knowledge of the universe has become inexplicably more advanced whilst compared to times before scientific studies. You do not have some kind of religious superiority over me due to an inane norm
@inswoon You know, why not just say that every living human being on earth and who has ever lived is evil? Why just say religious people are evil? Why stop there? There have been wars in the name of religion, but also in the name of communism, republics, monarchies, democracies, fascist states and hell, even in the name of drugs. You have a problem, a serious problem, if you think wars have only been fought in the name of religion.
@inswoon God created man in his own image. That means that, believe it or not, men can create things and men can choose what they want to do. God does not hold people as his slaves. He does punish people in the afterlife, but don't ask me how. I am not dead.
@inswoon But if you want to start saying, "religion is evil because wars have been fought in the name of religion etc etc," ok. What about republics? Democracies? Communist? Or if you want to say God is evil for creating diseases, what about every single scientist and inventor that has created a weapon? Or the man who invented the baseball bat? Or the man who invented the shovel? Or the frying pan? Or any good intentioned item used as a weapon.
@comeonfolks The logic is simple. If God is everywhere and consists of everything, he did create the bombs to blow up cities and children, and he did create Hitler which ultimately led to genocide. God condones evil, it is quite simple.
If we are homosexuals, then we should be put to death. If you are Christian, you believe your god wants every homosexual human on this planet killed, which begs the question: why create homosexuality if you want it destroyed?
@inswoon "If you are a Christian, you believe your god wants every homosezual on this planet killed." This is where this conversation ends. You don't know what you are talking about and apparently need to do more research.
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
@comeonfolks Again, you’re assuming a lot. If God not existing is a certainty that doesn’t omit evil, but you’re implying that the concept doesn’t. Ever heard of “in the name of god”?
How can you say “we are not Gods slaves”, that is absolutely absurd. We are owned by god, although I know you’ll attempt to pick on my wording. He created us and we must obey him and his doctrine, we should be killed if otherwise.
@comeonfolks People say that god created us in a way that allows us to have choice. They try to make this look like a good thing but in reality it is not. He gives us only 2 choices. Live up to his EVERY standard or die and then suffer for an eternity for no reason other then to entertain him, what is the point of teaching a lesson to someone if they are going to die anyways or be tortured forever? Also in the bible god tells us to kill even our own brother if they try to sway of from gods path.
@charliepossenriede So, you don't like choices? And plus, within the 'standards of God' there are a million ways to do this. You can be a thinker, a teacher, a doer etc etc. You can go and help out a homeless man, you can go help folks in 3rd world countries. Choices? There are many many many choices. In any case, you need to learn how to read the bible correctly. You don't read the bible at face surface.
@comeonfolks I do like choices, But he only gives us two. One has reward and one is eternal suffering. So my point is that its not really a choice becuase no sane man would chose to suffer for eternity, its just not possible for us to choose to do that. Its more like "do exactly what i say or ill punish you". Also the bible was written by man. Whos to say they know more about what god wants then anyone else? And if god wanted to give us a message he could do it himself.
@charliepossenriede Really, that would be like two consequenses for the choices you make. It would be like a parent saying, "Be good or I'll spank you." How many ways are there to be good? Or another example might be, how does a family from Virginia get to LA California? The goal is obviously California, but they have many, many ways to get there from Virginia. I
"Quick boys, lay hands on him". Yeah, figures. ALWAYS creepy, without fail, and Hitch is right, it's completely capricious. It's about objective ___ (fill in the blank, just don't say objectivity), which when I apply it to you, I control you! Isn't that handy.
God attempts to bring us closer to him by placing people in horrendous car accidents where they're left paralyzed from the neck down with severe burn scars.
Until the Roman Catholic Church is closed down and its temples regarded as museums and curiosities its message will infect and draw in vulnerable people and provide a stamping ground for manipulative opportunists. It must be seen for what it is; a superstitious, blood cult with a huge lexicon of slanderous beliefs, a history of gratuitous cruelty and as its raison d’etre, the celebration of human sacrifice as the means by which we are saved from eternal damnation.
@ritchloui I don't care about Catholicism. I know that animal, I can beat that animal. It's the only religion in the world competing with Islam. I want Catholicism to win. After it wins, it will be easy sway Catholics into non-believer rather than Islamist.
@xlunax86 You clearly don't know anything about Islam, nor indeed Roman Catholicism. The Roman Catholic Church reached the height of its power and magnificence in the Medieval Age. This is the very age in human history that is distinctive for its particular brand of cruelty, fondness for torture and dismemberment. Modern Islamic Jihad can trace its roots to their allegiance to the Nazi's. Hitler was a Roman Catholic and took his lead from their teachings..
@xlunax86 I'd much rather have reason, logic, and inate human solidarity beat down both Catholicism and Islam, along with every other form of credulity. Why should decent human beings settle for anything less?
@xlunax86 No I think you need to reread lol. You have the dream that Catholicism will defeat Islam, and then the rest of the non-believers can defeat Catholicism. If you can believe that, then you can believe we dont need to use the other fools as tools in the process. How about work on making no one a fool to such credulity instead (and apparently that's my dream). I just take it one step further I guess.
@adknerr You have it correct, that is exactly what I said. If you think the superstitious people of Africa are not going to adopt a God and instead became atheist you are delusional.
@xlunax86 Well then we at least share the same flavor of delusion; putting our eggs in the reason basket. Congratulations to both of us. If the west would truly try to give Africa education, independence, and proper enlightenment instead of intentionally stifling their economy, plundering their resources, and allowing the Pope to convince them using condoms are worse than getting Aids, then my dream is off to a real start. I'll go back to bed now and get back to that dreaming :)
Christianity and Islam are both derivatives of Judaism. Unfortunately, neither has taken this with good grace. The Jews are caught in a very unfortunate position of being accorded a special place that has a life and force of its own. They have been singled out for grotesque transmogrification and of unflinching demonisation that has been skillfully and ubiquitiously interwoven into the very fabric of its daughter religions, Islam and Catholicism.
@BlankPicketSign yup. being "born sick" is easy enough for biblicists to deny cuz of the Genesis account. But being "born in a debt that we are UNABLE to pay, thus by default destined for a sentence of ETERNAL TORTURE" is just as accurate, but undeniable by those who believe in the Christian bible.
Imagine for a moment how it feels to have a man such as Jesus being sacrificed in front of you and just for you. Now imagine that idea to be the most important thought you ever had. Then imagine it as something that you can relive again and again. Sacrificial love in the form of a slow, painful death of the beloved is the blueprint of the best and most significant relationship you can have. Witness and continually relive Christ’s slow, painful death and to eat his body and drink his blood.
I don't see Cannibalism as a redeeming quality... Just Saying.
I also find it Silly that one man can take the punishment for my "Crimes".
The crime of being BORN no less... So sorry, if it was so inconvenient for me to be born, I would have been around to STOP IT FROM HAPPENING =^_^=.
I joke
I jest
But If I commit a crime, and someone else takes the fall... I AM STILL GUILTY. Substitution Atonement is a silly, barbaric, and stupid idea from the Bronze Age.
@adknerr What, you mean you don't BELIEVE? What could possibly be wrong with a cannibalistic blood cult? Don't you just LOVE the cute outfits and the incredible magnificence? Zeus speaks to me personally and watches my every move - it's great feeling being watched, especially when alone. You mean you don't want ANY of this?.
I think Hitchens is the most lovable atheist I've met. I think he argues with all these Christians because he actually thirsts for something they have. He admits that more or less at the end of Collision (the documentary/movie). I hope that he meets God (as a friend) before death... I love his interactions with Wilson.
@SilveradoNL You only say that because you are a damn fool. So Hitchens is OFFENDED by christians saying they can tell him what God wants. Instead of responding propler,y the best Hitchens can come up with is he finds it arrogant. or not "modest" or "humble" to do it. It is intellectually vacuous. And you don't see it only because you are a damn fool. There are more intelligent atheists, but so many atheists are so dumb, they made this guy their king. I bet you're liberal too.. idiots!!
@jameshanley40 How does humility fit in your package, when you are able to tell others what god wants of u, and them and anyone else for that matter?
Even worse looking at your language i doubt u really are a christian.
I would to be offended if someone came up to me, and tolled me that out of these thousands of gods, man worshipped over thousands of years, he knows which one is 'the' god.
Not just that, but if i dont believe him im gonna end up in an eternity of torture what a loving god:)
Read or listen to some Sam Harris, and you'll see how to really have a logical discussion. You're thick if you think Hitchens does well here. You think anybody that calls you an idiot is a theist? You think anybody that thinks Hitchens is pathetic is a theist? You can be really proud of yourself that you don't believe you'll go to hell. But better to just take a logical view that there is no god. Craig tears Hitchens new assholes.
Only Hitchens could do this tough debate. Who will do it today now that he's dead?
dummychaos 1 month ago
I thought I read Nolan lol
FreeeeS 2 months ago
5 to 1, that´s unfair to the 5 religious nutjobs, give Hitch something to get his teeth into, this is too easy.
yatter1 3 months ago 3
Christopher Hitchens is right. God is capricious. In fact, the Creator has sent a message confirming that.
The Creator has posted a video on YouTube. The message comes to you directly, without the need for transcription or interpretation by bronze-age scribes, or analysis by Stephen Hawking.
The video tells you how you came to be here, outlines the meaning and purpose of your life, and gives you an insight into the future of humankind.
See ' God says sorry. '
lacontrabasse 3 months ago
4 Christians vs 1 Hitch?? The poor Christians are outnumbered, don't stand a chance!
marcohorowitz8 3 months ago 2
Jesus is the one and greatest example , we all fall short . He fills us he does not leave us empty . Love not hate . Always trive for truth not reason to hate .
inabluemoon1 3 months ago
What debate is this?
SlowrThanThe2ndComin 3 months ago
fact is, we're evolved, not *poof* created. humanity is part of a continuum, and assertions of an exalted place is the universe is unfounded and completely arbitrary. "oh, but we have reason and intelligence, what a gift!"
our intelligence comes from a genetic difference between us and apes, our intelligence, philosophy, and faith would be nothing next to the mind of beings as far from us genetically as we are from chimps.
georgek19 3 months ago
Here is a representation of a God who is not laughing at our suffering, or enjoying it.
The Creator has posted a video on YouTube. The message comes to you directly, without the need for transcription or interpretation by bronze-age scribes.
The video tells you how you came to be here, outlines the meaning and purpose of your life, and gives you an insight into the future of humankind.
See ' God says sorry. '
lacontrabasse 4 months ago
atheism has no logic outside that which people can apply to it. ie our understanding of this universe is as of yet incomplete thus we cannot logically assume one thing or another about the existence of a creator being. also, this understanding is likely to remain incomplete. so... atheism ends up being just another faith system, a form of antifaith if you will. we say yes, you say no, like the beatles song, they hated religion too.
cwross1976 4 months ago
@cwross1976 I’m an atheist because I don’t “believe” in a god. Not because I “know” there is no god. I don’t believe in god in the same way that I don’t believe in Bigfoot. Faith is the belief in something in the absence of evidence. I don’t believe in god precisely because there is no evidence.
AstronomyGuru84 4 months ago
So true, If I said Aliens exist & they created life on earth, I would have the burden of proof, And until I prove it you shouldn't believe in it.
But One thing that bugs me is Agnostics! Seriously, sure god could exist, just like aliens can, but theres no evidence for either so why believe in either? Its silly & redundant to call oneself an agnostic/agnostic atheist, thats just dodging the question. You wouldn't call yourself an agnostic on the question of aliens, so why on god?
nazmibest 4 months ago
@nazmibest Exactly, I think a lot of people just get the terms mixed up. Most atheists, at least the ones I know, will not say they “know” there is no god. Knowing something puts a person in the position of needing to provide evidence. Most agnostics I know are actually atheist, they are just afraid to use the A word. I don’t believe in Bigfoot, but I don’t have to provide evidence that Bigfoot does not exist. You can’t prove a negative.
AstronomyGuru84 4 months ago
@AstronomyGuru84 All agnostics are atheists. To be a theist means to believe that the creator of the universe contacts us, gives us instructions, has expectations of us, etc. If you can't even get to the point of saying there is a creator of the universe, or more specifically, that it can be known whether or not there is a creator of the universe, then you obviously do not think that the creator of the universe writes books, speaks through prophets, and all of that nonsense.
dpowens 2 months ago
@AstronomyGuru84 (continued) ...Therefore, you are an atheist, which after all (as you rightly point out) does not mean you claim to know for certain that there is no god, but simply that you do not follow a religion.
dpowens 2 months ago
@dpowens Being secular makes me non-religious. I'm a de facto atheist. I can't know for certain, no one can, but I think god is very improbable. I’ve always viewed agnostics as being squarely on the fence. Me, I’ve got two feet on the ground with one finger on the fence. Never play the affirmative card unless you can provide evidence. I call myself atheist but technically I’m agnostic atheist.
AstronomyGuru84 2 months ago
@AstronomyGuru84 Same here. I was just saying... same with all agnostics. I guess you could be atheist but not agnostic. But not the other way 'round, it seems to me.
dpowens 2 months ago
@dpowens The words and definitions can get a little confusing. You also have militant atheist; sometimes I can’t stand those types. They’re in your face about it and they tend to belittle others. I’m more of a laid back-down to earth atheist.
AstronomyGuru84 2 months ago
@TheKiy566 as opposed to what you do which is wholesome, clean fun, right?
cwross1976 4 months ago
@2:29 "...and that, I think, is a better way to see the evidence as it is before us."
What evidence? I've seen no evidence for any god. Ever. Oh, I think I get it. He actually thinks his bible is "evidence." I wonder if he thinks the koran or the bhagavad gita qualifies as evidence. Probably not.
YY4Me133 5 months ago
@YY4Me133 stupid religionists,with the multitude of religions out there in the world the 'search for god' has become the biggest wild goose chase in mans` history.All of them ignoring the historical fact ,todays religions,believed by many,become the futures mythology.
PAULOcbi 4 months ago
That pastor will burn in hell, because he has too much sense of humour for christian. Thanks God he's not muslim, because he would be dead already.
rycka1983 5 months ago
Hitchens is the lion in the Colosseum.
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lightandbeautiful 5 months ago
There is no way that christian arguments can hold up against the logic of atheism. But I know how difficult it is to argue with these people. They stick their fingers in their ears and chant "La la la la, I'm not listening". I have to admit, I sometimes enjoy the shocked looks I get when I announce that I don't want a christian burial.
nancy6ify 5 months ago
Hitchens is the best
KongKit 6 months ago 2
I LOVE Hitchens !!!!
SpearofDestiny0 6 months ago 4
Four against one, and STILL Hitchens dominates. The man is, literally, peerless.
ClumsyRoot 6 months ago
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ClumsyRoot 6 months ago
Beneath all the sugar-coating, Christianity is a very dark religion with an emphasis on death, hatred, violence and punishment.
WeTheStrange 6 months ago 2
God as a father doesn't want his children to suffer? And he still sends tsunamis in nuclear power stations? Bah, humbug.
TomFynn 6 months ago
@TomFynn How do you know God sent the Tsunami ? And I thought God didn't exist ..double idiot
Recordbhoy 5 months ago
Can I just point out one problem with the whole God is a father bit? My dad is honestly one of the smartest, funniest, most loving people I've met. He wants me, my brother, and my sisters to have free will. However, you can bet he wouldn't start a hurricane to destroy our houses and kill our families or let one of us kill the other in the name of free will. Maybe the Christian gentleman and I have different views of what a loving father does.
kissfan7 6 months ago 4
@kissfan7 They always seem to leave parts like that out.
TheBiAtheist 6 months ago
no no don't lay your hands on him, you can't afford another lawsuit.
turtledragon420 6 months ago
the guy on the end kills me. one of hitches main arguments against theism is that theists claim to know the mind of god. what he wants us to do, who we should, and hitches favorite in what positions we should have sex in. from deism ie not knowing but implying order, to absolute certainy. this guy comes in with what if god "knows that theyll suffer and have pain but wants them to understand and have a relationship." where are you getting this knowledge? its pontificating about what he wishes
cpt2115 7 months ago
atheist people dont take the burden of other atheist actions (stalin,Hitlor,lenon,Mao etc) however they always try to put all the filth of religious people on every religious person i think it is not fair ? ? ?
johnbaptist15 7 months ago
@johnbaptist15 because RELIGION teaches to commit these crimes ! i can quote 1000s of verses ! atheism is simply not believing in god ..its not a religion or a club ! not every nazi killed a jew ...so the nazis who didnt kill are not to be critiqued? youre an idiot!
WORLDARYANREVIVAL 7 months ago
@johnbaptist15 Hitler believed in god, and you misspelled Lenin's name.
LannaDru 7 months ago
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I can't BELIEVE that they cut out the intro to this video where Craig, Strobel, Wilson, Guthrie & Dennison did their ridiculous little dance before they took the stage!!!
You can still see the clip here:
/watch?v=ZLtR8_qw_yM
mouthyweasel 7 months ago
@WHATYOUSAYCLOWN If you think it's strange for an atheist to "hoover around" atheist videos, what does this say about a religious person doing the same? Look in the mirror before you criticize others for doing the same as you are doing. Why does a religious person speak out? Why should atheists not do the same? Especially when many of us, especially after 9/11 (and other religious travesties which I'll list if you wish), have become convinced that religion is DANGEROUS?
DandAinTac 7 months ago
I never realized, until after I became an atheist, how incredibly condescending and juvenile all the "heavenly father" talk is, like that which begins at 1:25. I realize now what another atheist told me recently. "Some people, NEED to have a parent figure" throughout their whole lives, who watches over them and tells them what is right and wrong. They just are never able to really grow up.
DandAinTac 7 months ago
hitch will die a screamer .his cancer is a reflection of the sickness he spreads
pearsc5d 7 months ago
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cygnusx555 7 months ago
I'd like to see "Hitch" attend a debate like this in Saudi Arabia about Islam with Muslims sitting next to him and in the audience. That would be fun to see. But, of course, Hitchens is too chicken-shit to do something like that. He'll spew his Christian hatred as long as he's protected by a society created by Christians.
YesYou123333 7 months ago
@YesYou123333 I think the fact that you suggest that he should be 'scared' at all just proves his points on islam (of which there are many, so i wont go into them). From what I know of Islam, they dont accept the freedom of speech that would allow a debate such as this to happen in Saudi Arabia. I get the impression, however, that if you're right, and that fear is justified (which it may be) then why would he when he can make the same points in the safety of a civilized, academic debate?
dangerousecelt 7 months ago
@dangerousecelt The only point I was making is it would be fun to see.
YesYou123333 7 months ago
@YesYou123333 Actually, you see, if he did so, more likely then not, he'd be beheaded, like many other infidels. I dislike all religions, personally. I find them just as disgusting, and immoral as he does.
TheLordValarath 7 months ago
@TheLordValarath I don't hear him talk about Islam too much. Why doesn't he attend debates in the US about Islam? (Where he is safe).
YesYou123333 7 months ago
@YesYou123333 Please. His primary target is simply religion . . . I've seen him debate Christians (Craig, D'Souza, etc), Jews (Boteach, Wolpe), and Muslims (Tariq Ramadan). This is simply a Christian book expo. And the reason he does more "Christian" debates in the US is obvious - - there are way more Christians here.
The title of his most well-known book is a mockery of a Muslim saying! To try and act as if he is scared of criticizing Islam is absurd on it's face. He does it routinely.
InfidelPerRatio 7 months ago
@YesYou123333
Do you have any idea who Hitchens is? He's run his mouth off in more violent hell-holes than you can count and taken his lumps.
EdDueim 7 months ago
@EdDueim You're right. He had the guts to be water boarded which is more guts than I have. I give credit where it's due..
YesYou123333 7 months ago
@YesYou123333
Thank you.
EdDueim 7 months ago
the tension was all over the place in that room ROFL
JuanchoMan 8 months ago
Christopher Hitchens is the Ape!!!
NorthNorth2009 8 months ago
Hitchens is REAL
well said
Johnandvanessa 8 months ago
Bible thumping losers. Makes me sick.
MrJIMMY3009 8 months ago 21
@MrJIMMY3009 You could be not sickened by them.
Consider them as only the result of their circumstances.
You would believe if you had lived their life.
Ebvardh 2 months ago
Christopher Hitchens kicks ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
enalopez26 8 months ago
Let Us Know,
Forever keepeth thine snake-oiled hands OFF of ME, oh ye deliberate vipers of madness and mayhem.
Blessed be the Bang. Praise be the Laws of Universe.
All-is-illusion.
Ah Hem
lonewolfmtnz 9 months ago 4
@lonewolfmtnz Clever
Hawkinsonian 8 months ago
Is Hitchens fending off all those Christians by himself? Where did you get this debate?
xSilverPhinxx 9 months ago 9
the guy rambling on with the paternal metaphor ( @ 2:00 ) seems to miss a point -- following his metaphor, imagine an EARTHLY FATHER who said "I want to relate closely with you, my wicked child who makes mistakes but has a pure heart just doesn't know any better ... but you're far too horribleto be in my presence, so I'll kill myself (or kill a PERFECT version of what my children could be) in your place to pay your horribleness-debt -- and REFUSE to be with you UNELSS you accept that payment!"
simonjeste 9 months ago 3
I would have liked the question Christopher posed to be answered. What about their gods other creations? They certianly have free will as well, are they subject to the same "rules"?
These religious people are hilarious.
pillowbugg 9 months ago
Why would any adult want to be a child forever to anyone for any reason? Why are there so many who still think it an admirable or good quality to reamian childlike for any reason....Unless of course it is to escape condemnation or responsibility. How is that a good thing? I personally want to be allowed to grow up, make my own mistakes, learn from them and continue to learn and grow. I am perfectly willing to accept responsibility for myself. I earned it. I will never say,"Thy will be done"
NonProphetess 9 months ago 3
God is a crappy father through out the bible. What parent lets their children kill each other(Cain and Abel) when they have every possible way to stop that from happening. God created all life but doesn't mind killing first borne children of Egypt just to prove that he is great. He should have just made a mountain float in mid air, that would be less harmful and more impressive than any plague he used in that fairytale.
Iopipimps 9 months ago
@Iopipimps Hitchens normally describe God as a celestial Kim Jung Il, but I think it's more like John Kramer, the jigsaw..he wants to play a game
kemalcs 9 months ago 2
"Quick boys, lay hands on him" And you wonder why priests have molested so many young men! They just tried to gang bang our man Hitchens.
EchosFromaBlankMind 9 months ago
yes, the suffering as chance rationalisation ^^ nah, just kidding, there is nothing remotely rational about this :D
robertgaudlitz 10 months ago
Chinese use to have a joke about God. God is a baker and he bakes cookies at time of creation.
The first batch of cookies was over baked and turned black so God put them in Africa.
The second batch of cookies was not baked enough and still white, so God put them in Europe.
The third batch of cookies were just right, so God put them in fertile lands of China.
I know that was a fairly offensive joke, at least I think so, but it's basically how one race can always justify being the "chosen".
Neosaigo 10 months ago
@Neosaigo That is funny because one of China's biggest problems is its rather severe shortage of arable land compared to its population.
Though I suppose this ratio was probably not the case back when that joke was popularized.
Hawkinsonian 8 months ago
I agree with Hitchens' point in part; it's partially self-righteous to claim to know that what was written in the bible, or spoken through his 'messenger' (in whatever permutation), was actually what god intended. But then again, he is dealing with a circular perspective; I know because I was told by someone who knows, or read a bible that knows...how do they/does it know?
ExEverest10 11 months ago
I believe they/it do/does, and that's enough, according to the same person/book. So if they're just retelling what they've been told, or read, I don't know if that's as lacking in humility as some (perhaps Hitchens too) appear to think.
ExEverest10 11 months ago
Christian "humility" is anything but. It is actually a profound and unmatched arrogance. It is a pretense to know the answers to the deepest questions men have ever asked, it makes the most extraordinary and sweeping claims ever made, and claims exemption from even ordinary evidence and logic, and these claims include the threat of eternal torture as the price for skepticism. This is not "humility, but is instead arrogance on a towering scale.
DandAinTac 11 months ago 3
@DandAinTac Wonderful comment. I am in AWE at the bloated ego of any christian control freak that wishes to "educate" me. They are condescending and obnoxious elitists that claim to "know" god personally, and they alone have the truth. I have grown up in the clutches of these deranged cult members. I have seen up close the toll their insanity takes on the people around them. They will reduce their own children's minds to rubble to install their religious programming. They are dangerous.
mindstormsabrewin 11 months ago
He knows, He knows, He knows.
He knows man will fall?
He knows many won't believe fairy tales.
Yet, He insists on sending them to Hell.
Hindsight is 20/20... What about foresight if you are omniscient. 20/20?
Too many holes in that argument.
Trinitics 11 months ago 3
Fuck. If a snake talk to me, I have to assume that I'm high on something, so whatever the snake says.... goes....
This, therefore then proves that there was dope in Eden.
Trinitics 11 months ago
@spacep0d - idk perhaps they think they are right. But luckily for us we live in the real world. Could you imagine for a sec that the Christian god was real how terrifying that would be and a lame excuse for an existence to be born a prisoner and demanded to straiten up or get the death penalty for all eternity. I think the Christians call that "free will?"
ThePublicIsInsane 11 months ago
hitch man among boys
phildirt3 11 months ago
Why are Christians not fucking embarrassed to publicly proclaim such idiocy, especially to someone like Christopher Hitchens?
spacep0d 11 months ago
"Quick boys, lay hands on him."
That, my friends, just about sums it up.
echalko 11 months ago 7
hitch thinks his answers on the fly the shamans spout nonstop prerecorded bs
loudepalma 1 year ago 4
The end had me in stitches.
TheDanielWooi 1 year ago
5 Christians against the Hitch? Unfair odds. It should have been 100 christians
lucasisking 1 year ago 97
@lucasisking lol agreed
YoshiroShin 11 months ago
@lucasisking Greatest Comment EVER!!
dkthg 7 months ago
@lucasisking lmfao true
peruanoxsiempre 6 months ago
@lucasisking Best comment ever.
TheBiAtheist 6 months ago
@lucasisking that's true. i've never seen an actually good christian debater against him
redryan20000 5 months ago 2
there is an implication here that evil must exist to have free will. if adam and eve had free will before the serpent, why did god allow or create the serpent?
cutfriends981 1 year ago
A Christian who tells you that he knows that God is making sure he is interpreting the Bible correctly is a potentially dangerous person. Most devout Christians in America are not dangerous primarily because they feel very safe and very much in the majority. But it they ever felt like their religion or "way of life" was truly threatened, they'd stop being so sweet about offering to show you their God, and go back to what they used to do, shove it down your throat at sword (or gun) point!
johnclavis 1 year ago 6
"Quick boys, lay hands on him!" - Doug Wilson is pretty funny.
thedict8or 1 year ago 3
His rebuttal to Hitchens has the buzzwords that God "wants" "hopes" "believes" which is contradicting to an all knowing/all powerful deity.
TubeTexting 1 year ago
I can't not comment on this. God creates you knowing you'll go through good and bad, and at the end of the day wants a relationship with you. Funny thing...I love how god wants this relationship without ever showing his all-powerful, demanding face. Can anyone have a relationship with anyone that never shows up and say "HI, howdy doo, I'm god, let's play some COD". Another example of the scare tactics Christianity uses in order to increase their 'flock'.
echalko 1 year ago
@echalko Would you mind answering the question? Can anyone have a relationship without ever showing his all-powerful, demanding face? Well, I know that I love my grandfather, I never met the man, but I love him. I have some family troubles and never met my uncle, I love him. Anyway, God does show himself to the world. You just don't look. If a president is walking through the airport, and you don't see him, does that mean he was not there?
comeonfolks 1 year ago
@echalko If God shows himself to the world, and you don't see him, does that mean God is not there? Is that the atheist main point/? I don't see god ergo god is not there. That is a bit arrogant. Why does god have to make a special appearance for you?
comeonfolks 1 year ago
@comeonfolks No my apologies if the phrase didn't demonstrate the point well enough. You can love your grandfather because there is actual evidence that he existed outside yourself and your emotions. If he hadn't existed you would not have been born. The president walked through the airport because many
people physically experienced it. My point is that if some being that wants nothing more than to hang out with you for eternity, it would do a better job of letting you know it.
echalko 1 year ago
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@comeonfolks No my apologies if the phrase didn't demonstrate the point well enough. You can love your grandfather because there is actual evidence that he existed outside yourself and your emotions. If he hadn't existed you would not have been born. The president walked through the airport because many
people physically experienced it. My point is that if some being that wants nothing more than to hang out with you for eternity, it would do a better job of letting you know it.
echalko 1 year ago
We don't know what god looks like. We only know that, like God, we have free will to do what we want to do. Like God, men and women can choose if they want to do good or evil. Mind you, God is a perfect being and does not do evil..
comeonfolks 1 year ago
@comeonfolks "God is a perfect being and does not do evil"
but didn't god create the devil?
1HORNYJESUS 1 year ago
@1HORNYJESUS If a parent had a child and the child went and murdered hundreds of people, are the parents evil or is the child? Do you hold the parents accountable for what their 40 year old child does? And God did not create the devil he created lucifer who became the devil. Just like a parent does not give birth to a murderer, the child goes off and becomes the murderer.
comeonfolks 1 year ago
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inswoon 1 year ago
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@comeonfolks It completely depends on the circumstances. You cannot generalise and be vague if you're referring to something so pure and divine.
If he created Lucifer, he created the devil as God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. He knew he would become the devil.
Now let me ask this: Why would God create homosexuals if he wants them all to be murdered?
inswoon 1 year ago
@inswoon So now you are saying that God should create on the basis of what you will do in the future? Do you think a parent would kill a child they knew would grow up to be a murderer? Would you kill a child you know would grow up to be a murderer? No. God knows what everything will do. He knew that the Lucifer could be bad or good, Lucifer was created good but chose to become evil. What if Lucifer had chosen to be good?
comeonfolks 1 year ago
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inswoon 1 year ago
@inswoon You cannot completley understand something so pure and divine as God. He created every mind, even Christopher Hitchens' mind. God does not create homosexuals, he creates people who have a choice. He does not want anyone to be murdered. Perhaps you are beingin indoctrinated and brainwashed by the likes of Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins.
comeonfolks 1 year ago
@comeonfolks I never knew about Hitchens and Dawkins as a child but I still believe there was no god. And there is no god.
I do not choose to believe something that others consider axiomatic, whilst it has no real basis or evidence. I'm not going to let religion run my life, I am not a slave.
If god is omnipresence and omniscient, then he most certainly did create everything terrible in the world.
inswoon 1 year ago
@inswoon How does that logic follow? "If god is omnipresence and omniscient, the he most certainly did create everything terrible in the world." Was god the one who invented the atomic bomb? Guns etc etc. If you do not believe in god, fine. But that must mean science is evil. Something created a gun and the atomic bomb. There are laws that are evil. You let laws run your life or are you an anarchist?
comeonfolks 1 year ago
@inswoon So I think you need to ask yourself, if god does not exist, who created all the evil in the world and then you should fight against that stuff too. This means you need to put on your 'fight against list,' democracy, republics, communist, science, all of man kind, etc etc.
comeonfolks 1 year ago
@comeonfolks If he doesn't want anybody to be murdered, why create it as an action? He created homosexuals, he creates diseases, he creates murderers and he creates bombs. He knows everything that has happened and everything that will happen.
You cannot tell me I cannot fathom something whilst our knowledge of the universe has become inexplicably more advanced whilst compared to times before scientific studies. You do not have some kind of religious superiority over me due to an inane norm
inswoon 1 year ago
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@inswoon You know, why not just say that every living human being on earth and who has ever lived is evil? Why just say religious people are evil? Why stop there? There have been wars in the name of religion, but also in the name of communism, republics, monarchies, democracies, fascist states and hell, even in the name of drugs. You have a problem, a serious problem, if you think wars have only been fought in the name of religion.
comeonfolks 1 year ago
@inswoon God created man in his own image. That means that, believe it or not, men can create things and men can choose what they want to do. God does not hold people as his slaves. He does punish people in the afterlife, but don't ask me how. I am not dead.
comeonfolks 1 year ago
@inswoon But if you want to start saying, "religion is evil because wars have been fought in the name of religion etc etc," ok. What about republics? Democracies? Communist? Or if you want to say God is evil for creating diseases, what about every single scientist and inventor that has created a weapon? Or the man who invented the baseball bat? Or the man who invented the shovel? Or the frying pan? Or any good intentioned item used as a weapon.
comeonfolks 1 year ago
@comeonfolks The logic is simple. If God is everywhere and consists of everything, he did create the bombs to blow up cities and children, and he did create Hitler which ultimately led to genocide. God condones evil, it is quite simple.
If we are homosexuals, then we should be put to death. If you are Christian, you believe your god wants every homosexual human on this planet killed, which begs the question: why create homosexuality if you want it destroyed?
inswoon 1 year ago
@inswoon "If you are a Christian, you believe your god wants every homosezual on this planet killed." This is where this conversation ends. You don't know what you are talking about and apparently need to do more research.
comeonfolks 1 year ago
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@comeonfolks Leviticus 20:13 KJV
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Sure I do.
inswoon 1 year ago
@comeonfolks Again, you’re assuming a lot. If God not existing is a certainty that doesn’t omit evil, but you’re implying that the concept doesn’t. Ever heard of “in the name of god”?
How can you say “we are not Gods slaves”, that is absolutely absurd. We are owned by god, although I know you’ll attempt to pick on my wording. He created us and we must obey him and his doctrine, we should be killed if otherwise.
inswoon 1 year ago
@comeonfolks And the last question is yet another assumption that doesn’t refute anything and was completely inane.
Please privately message me if you believe this discussion is going to turn into paragraphs of contention.
inswoon 1 year ago
@comeonfolks People say that god created us in a way that allows us to have choice. They try to make this look like a good thing but in reality it is not. He gives us only 2 choices. Live up to his EVERY standard or die and then suffer for an eternity for no reason other then to entertain him, what is the point of teaching a lesson to someone if they are going to die anyways or be tortured forever? Also in the bible god tells us to kill even our own brother if they try to sway of from gods path.
charliepossenriede 1 year ago
@charliepossenriede So, you don't like choices? And plus, within the 'standards of God' there are a million ways to do this. You can be a thinker, a teacher, a doer etc etc. You can go and help out a homeless man, you can go help folks in 3rd world countries. Choices? There are many many many choices. In any case, you need to learn how to read the bible correctly. You don't read the bible at face surface.
comeonfolks 1 year ago
@comeonfolks I do like choices, But he only gives us two. One has reward and one is eternal suffering. So my point is that its not really a choice becuase no sane man would chose to suffer for eternity, its just not possible for us to choose to do that. Its more like "do exactly what i say or ill punish you". Also the bible was written by man. Whos to say they know more about what god wants then anyone else? And if god wanted to give us a message he could do it himself.
charliepossenriede 1 year ago
@charliepossenriede Really, that would be like two consequenses for the choices you make. It would be like a parent saying, "Be good or I'll spank you." How many ways are there to be good? Or another example might be, how does a family from Virginia get to LA California? The goal is obviously California, but they have many, many ways to get there from Virginia. I
comeonfolks 1 year ago
@comeonfolks
"God is a perfect being and does not do evil.."
(2 Samuel 6:6-7) Read that... Read the whole Chapter
God kills an Innocent man because he was trying to HELP.
Sounds very evil to me ¬_¬
BlankPicketSign 9 months ago 3
"Quick boys, lay hands on him". Yeah, figures. ALWAYS creepy, without fail, and Hitch is right, it's completely capricious. It's about objective ___ (fill in the blank, just don't say objectivity), which when I apply it to you, I control you! Isn't that handy.
kern0099 1 year ago
"god" wants to have relations with me?
KokotTheMonkey 1 year ago
did hitchens say loudict at 1:39? I can't find the word he said
xn117 1 year ago
@xn117 Ludic.
benkenobi30 1 year ago
@benkenobi30 thank you.
xn117 1 year ago
Christian Hitchens and Richard Dawkins - Team Awesome
kelldog44 1 year ago
God. lolz.
CRISNCHIPS12398 1 year ago
Christopher Hitrchens is the MAN !!!
dalesend 1 year ago 85
God attempts to bring us closer to him by placing people in horrendous car accidents where they're left paralyzed from the neck down with severe burn scars.
TheIntolerantAtheist 1 year ago
"We're not claiming we speak for God, we're TELLING you what He Himself said". Oh dear, exactly CH's point. .
ritchloui 1 year ago
"Sinful since the talking snake episode".
tylerdurden4495 1 year ago
Sinful since the talking snake episode. Yah. Classic Hitch
ritchloui 1 year ago 101
Until the Roman Catholic Church is closed down and its temples regarded as museums and curiosities its message will infect and draw in vulnerable people and provide a stamping ground for manipulative opportunists. It must be seen for what it is; a superstitious, blood cult with a huge lexicon of slanderous beliefs, a history of gratuitous cruelty and as its raison d’etre, the celebration of human sacrifice as the means by which we are saved from eternal damnation.
ritchloui 1 year ago
@ritchloui I don't care about Catholicism. I know that animal, I can beat that animal. It's the only religion in the world competing with Islam. I want Catholicism to win. After it wins, it will be easy sway Catholics into non-believer rather than Islamist.
xlunax86 1 year ago
@xlunax86 You clearly don't know anything about Islam, nor indeed Roman Catholicism. The Roman Catholic Church reached the height of its power and magnificence in the Medieval Age. This is the very age in human history that is distinctive for its particular brand of cruelty, fondness for torture and dismemberment. Modern Islamic Jihad can trace its roots to their allegiance to the Nazi's. Hitler was a Roman Catholic and took his lead from their teachings..
ritchloui 1 year ago
@ritchloui I was raised Catholic. My family is Catholic. I know everything about from the inside and out. I will be your teacher.
xlunax86 1 year ago
@xlunax86 I'd much rather have reason, logic, and inate human solidarity beat down both Catholicism and Islam, along with every other form of credulity. Why should decent human beings settle for anything less?
adknerr 1 year ago
@adknerr We are worlds away from that dream buddy. I'm being pragmatic. You being delusion to think you can win.
xlunax86 1 year ago
@xlunax86 Wait... you think it's more likely we will remove Islamic fundamentalism than Christian? I guess we both can dream...
adknerr 1 year ago
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xlunax86 1 year ago
@xlunax86 No I think you need to reread lol. You have the dream that Catholicism will defeat Islam, and then the rest of the non-believers can defeat Catholicism. If you can believe that, then you can believe we dont need to use the other fools as tools in the process. How about work on making no one a fool to such credulity instead (and apparently that's my dream). I just take it one step further I guess.
adknerr 1 year ago
@adknerr You have it correct, that is exactly what I said. If you think the superstitious people of Africa are not going to adopt a God and instead became atheist you are delusional.
xlunax86 1 year ago
@xlunax86 Well then we at least share the same flavor of delusion; putting our eggs in the reason basket. Congratulations to both of us. If the west would truly try to give Africa education, independence, and proper enlightenment instead of intentionally stifling their economy, plundering their resources, and allowing the Pope to convince them using condoms are worse than getting Aids, then my dream is off to a real start. I'll go back to bed now and get back to that dreaming :)
adknerr 1 year ago
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@adknerr That is not what I said, read it again. I think I was quite clear.
xlunax86 1 year ago
Lol. Good. I laughed. Let no one say Hitch can't laugh or doesn't have a sense of humour.
hunterstl 1 year ago
Christianity and Islam are both derivatives of Judaism. Unfortunately, neither has taken this with good grace. The Jews are caught in a very unfortunate position of being accorded a special place that has a life and force of its own. They have been singled out for grotesque transmogrification and of unflinching demonisation that has been skillfully and ubiquitiously interwoven into the very fabric of its daughter religions, Islam and Catholicism.
ritchloui 1 year ago
"all God wants is to have a Relationship with us, like a father to his children"
Hmmm... I don't remember MY Father building a Torture Chamber in the Basement to punish me for the REST OF MY LIFE if I ever stopped loving him.
Fucking Morons... Actually Think about the whole picture, and not just the Warm and Fuzzy bits.
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@BlankPicketSign yup. being "born sick" is easy enough for biblicists to deny cuz of the Genesis account. But being "born in a debt that we are UNABLE to pay, thus by default destined for a sentence of ETERNAL TORTURE" is just as accurate, but undeniable by those who believe in the Christian bible.
simonjeste 9 months ago
Imagine for a moment how it feels to have a man such as Jesus being sacrificed in front of you and just for you. Now imagine that idea to be the most important thought you ever had. Then imagine it as something that you can relive again and again. Sacrificial love in the form of a slow, painful death of the beloved is the blueprint of the best and most significant relationship you can have. Witness and continually relive Christ’s slow, painful death and to eat his body and drink his blood.
ritchloui 1 year ago
@ritchloui
I don't see Cannibalism as a redeeming quality... Just Saying.
I also find it Silly that one man can take the punishment for my "Crimes".
The crime of being BORN no less... So sorry, if it was so inconvenient for me to be born, I would have been around to STOP IT FROM HAPPENING =^_^=.
I joke
I jest
But If I commit a crime, and someone else takes the fall... I AM STILL GUILTY. Substitution Atonement is a silly, barbaric, and stupid idea from the Bronze Age.
None for me thanks =^_^=
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
@ritchloui Nice story, very touching, but no thanks... I dont want to drink the cool-aid.
adknerr 1 year ago
@adknerr What, you mean you don't BELIEVE? What could possibly be wrong with a cannibalistic blood cult? Don't you just LOVE the cute outfits and the incredible magnificence? Zeus speaks to me personally and watches my every move - it's great feeling being watched, especially when alone. You mean you don't want ANY of this?.
ritchloui 1 year ago
@ritchloui Indeed :) You are getting a little too excited over this, no?
adknerr 1 year ago
Far too many IFs and Buts in religion to make a realistic belief,long live The Hitch
naybobdenod 1 year ago
Born in debt and asked to pay it off.
Well- thats just modern Ireland.
stemcgolf 1 year ago
"We're so damn humble it makes us arrogant."
MultiPaulinator 1 year ago
I think Hitchens is the most lovable atheist I've met. I think he argues with all these Christians because he actually thirsts for something they have. He admits that more or less at the end of Collision (the documentary/movie). I hope that he meets God (as a friend) before death... I love his interactions with Wilson.
foucachon 1 year ago
tbh
There could have been 10 more christian debaters, and hitchens would still win:)
SilveradoNL 1 year ago
@SilveradoNL You only say that because you are a damn fool. So Hitchens is OFFENDED by christians saying they can tell him what God wants. Instead of responding propler,y the best Hitchens can come up with is he finds it arrogant. or not "modest" or "humble" to do it. It is intellectually vacuous. And you don't see it only because you are a damn fool. There are more intelligent atheists, but so many atheists are so dumb, they made this guy their king. I bet you're liberal too.. idiots!!
jameshanley40 1 year ago
@jameshanley40 How does humility fit in your package, when you are able to tell others what god wants of u, and them and anyone else for that matter?
Even worse looking at your language i doubt u really are a christian.
I would to be offended if someone came up to me, and tolled me that out of these thousands of gods, man worshipped over thousands of years, he knows which one is 'the' god.
Not just that, but if i dont believe him im gonna end up in an eternity of torture what a loving god:)
SilveradoNL 1 year ago
@SilveradoNL
Read or listen to some Sam Harris, and you'll see how to really have a logical discussion. You're thick if you think Hitchens does well here. You think anybody that calls you an idiot is a theist? You think anybody that thinks Hitchens is pathetic is a theist? You can be really proud of yourself that you don't believe you'll go to hell. But better to just take a logical view that there is no god. Craig tears Hitchens new assholes.
jameshanley40 1 year ago