Composite horse bows such as these were usually in the 30-35 pound range due to stresses within the bow literally tearing itself apart. 40-50 pound horse bows can be found, but their life expectancy is short. How was this bow constructed to withstand pressures four times greater than what would normally destroy a horse bow of the same design? I'm not saying the video is a fake, I want to know how it was done so I can reproduce one.
@Talondas I don't know where you're getting those numbers from. First of all, they're not called horse bows. Second of all, they could be 90# or more. Many bowyers sell them.
@NoisemakerArrow Hungarian/Turkish/Mongolian archers were mounted. Thus horse archers...and horse bows. My sources are The Traditional Bowyer's Bible Vol. 1-4, Traditional Bowhunter Magazine and Primitive Archer Magazine. All of them state with historical documentation backing them up that bows of that design were light, not just by necessity, but because of the physics involved.
You still have never addressed HOW they are constructed to be so strong. Answer the question please.
@Talondas Composite bows were used by foot archers too and they weren't then called foot bows. Your sources are really bad if that's what they tell you, especially about the draw weights of composite bows.
quick question, do u need specially made arrows for these bows? can u use carbon shafts and normal feathers u can get from an archery store? if not send me a link where to get arrow supplies
can anyone tell me wats the diffference between mongolian bows and hungarian? i was thininking of buying one, furthermore is it true the mongolian is faster but it comes with more hand shock than the hungarian bow?
Where could someone get a bow like this? Guys sell these on the internet but they are only 30-70 #. I think a bow like that will be very good for hunting. The original bows go 300 yards easy. However some have shot target up to 500 yards.
Where could someone get a bow like this? Guys sell these on the internet but they are only 30-70 #. I think a bow like that will be very good for hunting. The original bows go 300 yards easy. However some have shot target up to 500 yards.
Where could someone get a bow like this? Guys sell these on the internet but they are only 30-70 #. I think a bow like that will be very good for hunting. The original bows go 300 yards easy. However some have shot target up to 500 yards.
Where could someone get a bow like this? Guys sell these on the internet but they are only 30-70 #. I think a bow like that will be very good for hunting. The original bows go 300 yards easy. However some have shot target up to 500 yards.
Where could someone get a bow like this. Guys sell these on the internet buy they are only 30-70 #. I think a bow like that will be very good for hunting? The original bows go 300 yards easy. However some have shot target up to 500 yards.
@JacobTheIndoAmerican , yes. The Hungarian History National website says clearly that Hungarians ( also known as Magyars ) came as nomads from Asia to Europe:
"Although some historians depict the Magyars as a people of European origin, the greater part of the evidence points to Asia"
@gogoasacenusie Magyars invaded the trans-Carpathian steppe in 8th century and terrorized Western Europe for a century. They raided all over Europe. Finally they more or less settled down and became a Christian kingdom in the 9th century. Wonderful display of archery skill and strength. Would have loved a shot at your target at the end of the video. Btw my family hails from Cluj.
@lebarosky I'd like to correct your data, Magyars came to Central Europe in the last decade of the 9th century, and terrorized Europe in the first half of the 10th century. They became Christians at the end of the 10th century (that means, their leaders and the leaders' entourage. Simple Magyars remained heathens until God knows when, maybe deep into the 12th century).
@gogoasacenusie you have to count in the fact that every European nation finished its genesis only after the founding of a free country... so the Hungarian or Magyar people are at least for one third descendents of other ethnic groups that settled around Hungary and in the panonic valley...mainly Slavic people and German people..
Hungarians were european scythians who migrated to asia, and back home. our name is ungur in your language like the uyghurs, who are half whites half karluk turks. they have hungarian identity and dna, r1b (west eu) r1a (east eu) i(north eu) j(middle east). ancient hungarians were europids in 84% and asians (joned non hungarian speaker turks) in 16% . we are scythians in our ancient chronicles too, read Gesta Hungarorum, Tarihi Üngürüsz, Képes Krónika, you vlach!
the scythian culture ended in mongolia, but xiongnu was multinational khnate. Mete khan was scythian Dulo, like Atilla, bulgarian, croatian, hungarian kings too. Dulos were from Subartu(Kurdistan) and Caucasus(alanians). ogur(hun), oghuz(turk),mongol, manchu it was xiongnu. not all were mongols, read chinese chronicles about red haired 2m tall huns, you little brainwashed vlach from Albania!
Ha, ha, the elderly are just hilarious, aren't they? Let's see what sort of bow this stout young lad will be drawing in another forty-odd years. Punk-ass gits.
This bow is beautiful! I've been shooting a 60# custom Chekmate for the last few years, but would really like to get into more historical equipment. Where could I find one in Canada?
I am almost 18, how long do you think it'll take me to pull a 120#? I am at 50# right now and its 6/10 easy to pull back right now. I use a Magyar bow called the Lynx.
There were English Longbows up to the 200# range, and I'd imagine there were Hungarian bows approaching similar poundage. Basically, in heavy bow societies like medieval England and Hungary, the only limits to a bow's draw was the strength of the bowman. Since human strength approaches common limits regardless of culture, you'll find that the heaviest bows in each are roughly equivalent in strength.
Yes from standardized Chinese measurements. In today's measurements 75kg of draw weight was seen frequently. The way it was drawn was by pushing the bow away from the string rather than trying to pull the string back. Pushing the bow up and then dropping it into firing position with the entire upper body as a fixed unit. Their arrows were like little spears instead of long pencils, lol
@rattyarchery hello i was wondering where you get a bow like that it seems pretty good. i got a black widow recurve bow and its pretty awsome i was looking for something harder to pull back and more powerful. is this good for that?
@rattyarchery This bow cant be 120# its like 60 or 80 its a grozer bow of the middle ages. if it is you must be one bad mutherphucker i have a 65# long bow and struggle to pull it back many times. I lift weights and i use 100lb Dumbbells for one handed bent over rows too.
I know a lot of people lifting weights unable to pull 120#. -People who are working "old style" in farms, fishing docks, lumberjacks etc. have no trouble pulling 120#. It's all about a thoruogh use of your body, not just pumping up some muscles to look big. You don't spend 8-10 hours every day lifting weights? -People who have to work with their body all day are far stronger than others realize.
@emel60 there is no "best" bow, they are all used for different things. For example, you wouldn't use a shotgun as a long range weapon. Mongolian bows are used for horseback, easy to maneuver and shoot. English long bows are for long range/armor penetration/group volley. You can't use an English long bow on a horse practically, and it would be useless to use a Mongolian horse bow on the ground offensively when you can use a much stronger bow.
@Gh0st64 You do not know anything about composite bow.Turkish bows are best of the best .also Ottoman Empire archers best of the best . may be horseback bows shorter than others but you never compare with longbow.reserch , Ottoman bow distance .Distance record ,TOZKOPORAN iSKENDER ( 1279 GEZ )844.14M
Yes, the Turkish bow design is often regarded as one of the finest composite bow designs. But the number one reason that the Turkish flight archers reached such great distances, is not only due to the bow design, but the "dry-fire" power of these bows. The siyahs are not very large, meaning they can cast light arrows without leaving much energy left in the bow. In contrary, the Mongol bow design emphasized on larger siyahs, which resulted in better cast with heavier arrows.
there are so many better types of bows then the Turkish bow. the turkish bow looks so shitty and small! the trad longbows these days...phew....quiet....speedy....powerful....they pack alot in every arrow flight. Plus, Scythian bows are so much better then Turkish bows. The Mongol bow is one of the best....what tool better upon a horse then the Mongol bow? With that bow, those fuckers conquered almost all of Asia hahahah
For speed, there are none better than the Turkish. Sorry to say. The Scythian is awesome quite awesome too. And yes, the Mongol design is my favorite, I've got a custom Mongolian horsebow myself.
@Gh0st64 English long bows are less effective for shooting on horseback (though it has been done throughout history), but they are also have a slower arrow speed which means they can't shoot as far or penetrate armor as well. The composite recurve is simply a superior bow. That is to be expected, because the composite takes far more skill and time and materials to make. The longbow is much easier to mass produce.
This is inaccurate. The longbow does have a slower arrow speed, but largely because the heavier longbows must fire much heavier arrows or they'll break from firing shock. However, since impact force = mass x velocity, the impact is no less with a heavier arrow -- every mps it lacks in velocity is compensated for in gms arrow mass. English shooting range MINIMUM standard during Henry VIII's reign was 220 yards. However, shooting a longbow from a horse is indeed a bitch.
You're wrong. A smaller projectile going at a faster speed will penetrate farther than a heavier projectile going at a slower speed, even if the force imparted is the same and all other things are equal. That's why an arrow will penetrate far deeper than a spear.
Minimum was 220 yards for a longbow? That's laughable. The world record for longest shot was set with a Turkish composite bow, it was something like 800 yards. Just use common sense: composite horn and bone > wood.
Arrows to arrows /= arrows to spears comparison. It's more like heavy calibre bullet to light calibre bullet. Assuming both arrowheads are of similar shape, penetration is simply going to be a product of impact force, with a very small tradeoff for the heavier arrow swapping stopping power for penetration. Longbows pierced plate and maille at Agincourt and Crecy. They also knocked knights from their horses, a feat of which the lighter arrow is less capable.
Bear in mind, I was arguing impact force, not simple penetration. Force at impact is mass x velocity/ surface area of point of impact.
If you have sufficient force to penetrate armor, that's all you need. Additional force is better spent on stopping power than on extra penetration. After all, you can kill a deer with a 22 --- if you don't mind spending an hour or so tracking it through the brush. Heavier arrow, like heavier bullet = dead faster.
Still, a hungarian bow can shoot heavier arrows than a longbow can, at greater distances and with greater speed. This is because it's a more efficient, more powerful machine. The composite materials in a horn bow are simply more springy per cubic inch than plain old yew or ash wood.
Granted, the composite bow is a more efficient machine. You can improve a longbow's efficiency by steaming in a reflex-deflex curve, but that wasn't done in Medieval times. I'd be shocked to hear that hungarians used heavier arrows than the massive shafts employed by English medieval archers for war.
However, the Composite bow would have been too fragile for a NW European climate. Sinew backed bowscan delaminate in wetter environments, which bites when they take a year to make
@Llyranon I mean, your proof is right here in this video... this guy is shooting HUGE arrows with a hungarian bow, the same arrows he uses in his 120 pound longbow. I'm not really familiar with the climate in Hungary, but I'm pretty sure it snows and rains there in the winter and I also know that the composite bow was used all up and down Eastern Europe and all throughout Asia. There is a reason it was so widespread, and that's because it was the most effective bow of all time.
The arrows shot by a modern archer who also has a longbow, tells us little about which arrows were commonly used by Hungarian archers in history. Horn/sinew bows tend to develop in areas with a dry climate and little useful timber suitable for bowmaking, among herding cultures who spend lots of time on horseback. In addition, not all composite bows are alike. Some are comparatively weak. Only a couple of varieties regularly featured the poundage of Hungarian and Mongol bows.
It's widely acknowledged that the composite bows of antiquity were vulnerable to delamination in a wet climate. That's why archers went to elaborate lengths to protect them during rainy season -- you can't get that sinew wet over and over without loosening it. In a climate like Northern France or Britain, where it is wet 2/3 of the year, composite bows wouldn't last.
Just to clarify: composite bows tend to emerge in dry regions, among herding cultures, in areas with little useable bowmaking wood. By contrast, self-bows tend to emerge in forested areas where bowmaking timbers are plentiful, among hunting cultures. Their regions and popularities are largely due to geography, culture, and people tending to use materials available in and suited to their environments.
can anyone tell me how u shoot with no arror rest because i was thinking about getting one of these bows but i would just like to get an idea of how they shoot
X-cuse me 4 da intrusion, but you don't seem to aim too much :)
However, you are a strong man to even string that bow. We also have a bear home (80 pounds at 30 inches), and just does not like those regular lite arrows.
Those arrows are like freaking javelins,lol The pile head lone on that probably weighs as much as a complete 3D shooters arrow.When I was a kid(145lbs)I would shoot my dad's 75# Kodiak recurve(underdrawn of course)but I developed a technique for pulling it similar to yours just on my own and now I can pull almost any weight bow comfortably now that I am a 200lb man.If arrows like bullets range are purely a function of weight carrying energy and sectional density then I can believe it flat 100yds
hehe if you were at war when that arrow falled you would have been killed about>>3-5 times hehe otherwise good shooting nice for streching so hard bow(120lbs)
120#! That's 3 almost 4 times more than my current bow!
I'm thinking of getting a (40#) bow from the Hungarian bow maker Karoly Lapat (as I can't afford one from Grozer yet :P). I can't decide on whether to get a mongolian or hungarian styled bow though.
Szia remélem tudod ért ez. az én -m magyar nyelv készség van nem igazi jó. A íj van egy Középső évek magyar íj készítette Grozer,it csinál úgy néz ki mint egy mongol íj de a íj volt nem gyártott -hoz egy hagyományos pattern.The íj húz 35" -on 120# húz mér.:-)
its not a traditionaly used wood for the hungarian but within saying that the bow is a bit of a hybrib of the original hungarian design and works a little better i beleive.
by managing a large draw length but still shooting accuratley and fast at a low drawlength .
I think this is not a hungarian bow! It's probably a mongol type, you can se those small things on the horns of the bow, that are beeing hit by the string during shots. Hungarian bows don't have those things.
Awesome bow, great shooting. I wouldn't even be able to draw that halfway!
cdmacdonald2112 1 month ago
i had headphones on...
Jayrock37343 2 months ago
wah very nice what is the power of this bow?
shadowfury01 4 months ago
that's a great weapon to keep at home. Someone gang breaks into your house, just pop pop pop.
aa3gunner 5 months ago
Composite horse bows such as these were usually in the 30-35 pound range due to stresses within the bow literally tearing itself apart. 40-50 pound horse bows can be found, but their life expectancy is short. How was this bow constructed to withstand pressures four times greater than what would normally destroy a horse bow of the same design? I'm not saying the video is a fake, I want to know how it was done so I can reproduce one.
Talondas 5 months ago
@Talondas I don't know where you're getting those numbers from. First of all, they're not called horse bows. Second of all, they could be 90# or more. Many bowyers sell them.
NoisemakerArrow 5 months ago
@NoisemakerArrow Hungarian/Turkish/Mongolian archers were mounted. Thus horse archers...and horse bows. My sources are The Traditional Bowyer's Bible Vol. 1-4, Traditional Bowhunter Magazine and Primitive Archer Magazine. All of them state with historical documentation backing them up that bows of that design were light, not just by necessity, but because of the physics involved.
You still have never addressed HOW they are constructed to be so strong. Answer the question please.
Talondas 5 months ago
@Talondas Composite bows were used by foot archers too and they weren't then called foot bows. Your sources are really bad if that's what they tell you, especially about the draw weights of composite bows.
NoisemakerArrow 4 months ago
grandpa rbehind him remembers his good ole days at agincourt...:P
Androandroandrica 6 months ago 8
That guy next to you is taking his time aint he?
Thrawn6211 6 months ago
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Can any one tell me wat tht song was ??
joec123able 7 months ago
Can any one tell me wat tht song was ??
joec123able 7 months ago
it is TURKIC bow !
321illusion 8 months ago
@321illusion
Everything is turk LOL
This bow used by many steppe people
Please don't identify everything to turkic, right?
eprescroissant 8 months ago
@321illusion Turkish bows look a LOT different.
jjaecks71 7 months ago
Beautiful Bow!
Have you ever tried thumb-drawing? I have seen people drawing to their opposite shoulder with it.
cwmyr 8 months ago
the blue shirt guy has mongolian bow right?
BatmanbinSuperman12 9 months ago
those arrows are badass, what size/shape are the fletchings??
blakfalcon1 10 months ago
cool!!!
JamesTCA 11 months ago
great video turanic brothers greetings from hungary :D
Vend1cator91 11 months ago
Nice archery video,
blackfeatherarchery 11 months ago
Wicked but you don't draw in the mongolian style do you? I guess it makes sense since you're not on horseback...
Arthur7474 1 year ago
lmao @ the guy in background... thats a wicked bow your shooting wow
swtchbckshtr 1 year ago
thank you, i have been searching for an actual mongolian bow and all Ive been finding are shitty english bows with a slight recurve at the ends
Xboxc3ntral 1 year ago
Bow music
skid1977 1 year ago
quick question, do u need specially made arrows for these bows? can u use carbon shafts and normal feathers u can get from an archery store? if not send me a link where to get arrow supplies
TitWarlord 1 year ago
can anyone tell me wats the diffference between mongolian bows and hungarian? i was thininking of buying one, furthermore is it true the mongolian is faster but it comes with more hand shock than the hungarian bow?
yiyp 1 year ago
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Nice shoot!!
Where could someone get a bow like this? Guys sell these on the internet but they are only 30-70 #. I think a bow like that will be very good for hunting. The original bows go 300 yards easy. However some have shot target up to 500 yards.
slavicchristian 1 year ago
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Nice shoot!!
Where could someone get a bow like this? Guys sell these on the internet but they are only 30-70 #. I think a bow like that will be very good for hunting. The original bows go 300 yards easy. However some have shot target up to 500 yards.
slavicchristian 1 year ago
Nice shoot!!
Where could someone get a bow like this? Guys sell these on the internet but they are only 30-70 #. I think a bow like that will be very good for hunting. The original bows go 300 yards easy. However some have shot target up to 500 yards.
slavicchristian 1 year ago
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Nice shoot!!
Where could someone get a bow like this? Guys sell these on the internet but they are only 30-70 #. I think a bow like that will be very good for hunting. The original bows go 300 yards easy. However some have shot target up to 500 yards.
Keep up the vids.
slavicchristian 1 year ago
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Nice shoot!!
Where could someone get a bow like this. Guys sell these on the internet buy they are only 30-70 #. I think a bow like that will be very good for hunting? The original bows go 300 yards easy. However some have shot target up to 500 yards.
Keep up the vids.
slavicchristian 1 year ago
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slavicchristian 1 year ago
strong ass bow best i think
GSPxRUSH 1 year ago
@ralphyboy1 no they were not . i dont know where you heard that.
rattyarchery 1 year ago
who made this bow ?
nice shooting and music
hunya95 1 year ago 2
lol, old geezer tring to shoot a passing bird
gargantuanuan 1 year ago
Are you Hungarian? Why do the Hungars love to be compared to the eastern stepee people like the Huns,Mongols,etc. Is there any relation?
JacobTheIndoAmerican 1 year ago
@JacobTheIndoAmerican , yes. The Hungarian History National website says clearly that Hungarians ( also known as Magyars ) came as nomads from Asia to Europe:
"Although some historians depict the Magyars as a people of European origin, the greater part of the evidence points to Asia"
Source: hungarian-history(.)hu/lib/hunspir/hsp05(.)htm
There is also a genetic test showing similarities between the Hungarians and the Madjari tribe in Kazakhstan.
gogoasacenusie 1 year ago 29
@gogoasacenusie Thats cool. Hungarians always looked like mutts, mostly of caucasoids stock. They bring much needed diversity to European history.
JacobTheIndoAmerican 1 year ago
@gogoasacenusie i wonder why hungary isnt called magyary.....
lifes40123 1 year ago
@lifes40123 , Hungary is also called "Magyarorszag". They actually refer themselfs more as "magyars" then "hungarians". But it's the same thing.
gogoasacenusie 1 year ago
@gogoasacenusie i guess i learn something new everyday...
lifes40123 1 year ago
@gogoasacenusie Magyars invaded the trans-Carpathian steppe in 8th century and terrorized Western Europe for a century. They raided all over Europe. Finally they more or less settled down and became a Christian kingdom in the 9th century. Wonderful display of archery skill and strength. Would have loved a shot at your target at the end of the video. Btw my family hails from Cluj.
lebarosky 1 year ago
@lebarosky I'd like to correct your data, Magyars came to Central Europe in the last decade of the 9th century, and terrorized Europe in the first half of the 10th century. They became Christians at the end of the 10th century (that means, their leaders and the leaders' entourage. Simple Magyars remained heathens until God knows when, maybe deep into the 12th century).
Panakeje 9 months ago
@gogoasacenusie you have to count in the fact that every European nation finished its genesis only after the founding of a free country... so the Hungarian or Magyar people are at least for one third descendents of other ethnic groups that settled around Hungary and in the panonic valley...mainly Slavic people and German people..
MuchasMarco 7 months ago
@gogoasacenusie
hungarians, turks, sumerians, mongols, koreans and japanese are all historically related.
Kra7as 7 months ago
@gogoasacenusie
Hungarians were european scythians who migrated to asia, and back home. our name is ungur in your language like the uyghurs, who are half whites half karluk turks. they have hungarian identity and dna, r1b (west eu) r1a (east eu) i(north eu) j(middle east). ancient hungarians were europids in 84% and asians (joned non hungarian speaker turks) in 16% . we are scythians in our ancient chronicles too, read Gesta Hungarorum, Tarihi Üngürüsz, Képes Krónika, you vlach!
SabirOnogur 1 month ago
@SabirOnogur
the scythian culture ended in mongolia, but xiongnu was multinational khnate. Mete khan was scythian Dulo, like Atilla, bulgarian, croatian, hungarian kings too. Dulos were from Subartu(Kurdistan) and Caucasus(alanians). ogur(hun), oghuz(turk),mongol, manchu it was xiongnu. not all were mongols, read chinese chronicles about red haired 2m tall huns, you little brainwashed vlach from Albania!
SabirOnogur 1 month ago
where in the world did you find that bow?! its beautiful
Garulfos 1 year ago
Where did you buy those arrows ?
afogn 1 year ago
the old guy was grate!
wilcaswell 1 year ago
The way he draws his bow is pretty badass.
DeaddAirSpace 2 years ago
hajimemashou ^^
jamie1519 2 years ago
Ha, ha, the elderly are just hilarious, aren't they? Let's see what sort of bow this stout young lad will be drawing in another forty-odd years. Punk-ass gits.
socdologer 2 years ago
were did you get that bow
creature8181 2 years ago
@creature8181 you can order them at the website of ljos kassai just search him in google they are 130 euro
maarhoefe 2 years ago
az öreg mit csinál mögötted galambot lő?XD
Gradravo5 2 years ago
what do you mean witn hungarian/mongol bow? they are very simillar? the ranges and effectiveness is the same?
FranciscoSRO2 2 years ago
this is soooooo asian!
cuihao 2 years ago 3
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WTF that is a Ottoman bow nott a hungarian bow
volvodieselclub 2 years ago
hey, good vid,
what the name of the music???
J4s5n 2 years ago
try thumbring and shoot from right:)
sihingalkan 2 years ago
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Hungarians are nomad mongolians !
Mongolorszag 2 years ago
Not mongolians, just nomad, that means fully natural life!:)
Veszett01 2 years ago
Awsome bow.
krullboll 2 years ago
nice bow, for real...really nice bow. but the music doesnt go with the video, i mean its a bow, not a machine gun,lol.
NYCityBoy718 2 years ago
how much cost a good hunngarien/mongolien bow
send pls a message
Wilderatte 2 years ago
Nagyon jó videó.
Noobsster666 2 years ago
Nice video.
blackfeatherarchery 2 years ago
This bow is beautiful! I've been shooting a 60# custom Chekmate for the last few years, but would really like to get into more historical equipment. Where could I find one in Canada?
zaksmid 2 years ago
Ha, i love the older gentleman next to you with the probably 35# - 40# recurve and you're pulling this monster horse bow.
nice shooting
magemager0 2 years ago 6
Yes. Archery is 4 kids in all ages.
jadda72 2 years ago
i want one, i want one.... no i want two
lawsturner 2 years ago 3
I am almost 18, how long do you think it'll take me to pull a 120#? I am at 50# right now and its 6/10 easy to pull back right now. I use a Magyar bow called the Lynx.
crazychris0003 2 years ago 2
do we know the pull back weight that the Mongolians actually had?
DiVeronica 2 years ago
from wat i read it was suppoesed to stronger than an English longbow
Darjay1 2 years ago 5
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magemager0 2 years ago
ya as i said it went further than that its range is like around 90-200
Darjay1 2 years ago
@Darjay1
There were English Longbows up to the 200# range, and I'd imagine there were Hungarian bows approaching similar poundage. Basically, in heavy bow societies like medieval England and Hungary, the only limits to a bow's draw was the strength of the bowman. Since human strength approaches common limits regardless of culture, you'll find that the heaviest bows in each are roughly equivalent in strength.
Llyranon 1 year ago
Yes from standardized Chinese measurements. In today's measurements 75kg of draw weight was seen frequently. The way it was drawn was by pushing the bow away from the string rather than trying to pull the string back. Pushing the bow up and then dropping it into firing position with the entire upper body as a fixed unit. Their arrows were like little spears instead of long pencils, lol
sopmodm4 2 years ago
nice...where can i buy 1 of these things?
Birk944 2 years ago
Hi
Are you allowed to shoot such high poundages at official competitions (GNAS / FITA / etc) and things?
Also how long did it take to work up to such a poundage?
Thanks! :^)
daryush55 2 years ago
VERY nice bow dude, not fake unlike the other piece of shit ones i've seen
ChEnGsTaRz 3 years ago
how many grains are those tips 100 to 150?
blackcatowns 3 years ago
if i remember correctly they are around 180-200 grain,
rattyarchery 3 years ago
@rattyarchery hello i was wondering where you get a bow like that it seems pretty good. i got a black widow recurve bow and its pretty awsome i was looking for something harder to pull back and more powerful. is this good for that?
rngepkn33b 1 year ago
can anyone tell me how to put a wisker biskit on a mongolian compound
VARISHvarind 3 years ago
Composite bows used to be called compounds before the pussy wheel bows you see today.
tomalophicon 2 years ago
sorry, but you can't. traditional bows use your hand as an arrow rest.
JohnTheRipper2 2 years ago
yes, i THINK it is the same thing, or maybe the compound is made of metal and hat wheel but don't know
emel60 3 years ago
how tall are you?
hirsutesimia 3 years ago
hello hirsutesimia
i'm 5ft 9"
rattyarchery 3 years ago
@rattyarchery This bow cant be 120# its like 60 or 80 its a grozer bow of the middle ages. if it is you must be one bad mutherphucker i have a 65# long bow and struggle to pull it back many times. I lift weights and i use 100lb Dumbbells for one handed bent over rows too.
guitaristdf 1 year ago 2
@guitaristdf all grozer bow weights are measured at 28" if your draw is bigger the bow weight increases. at 34" the bow weight is 120lb.
rattyarchery 1 year ago
@guitaristdf
I know a lot of people lifting weights unable to pull 120#. -People who are working "old style" in farms, fishing docks, lumberjacks etc. have no trouble pulling 120#. It's all about a thoruogh use of your body, not just pumping up some muscles to look big. You don't spend 8-10 hours every day lifting weights? -People who have to work with their body all day are far stronger than others realize.
nidrinr 1 year ago
@guitaristdf
Maybe you should lift weight more...
Mongolians could shoot a 130-150!!!LB bow all day and your say he won't be able to shoot??
slavicchristian 1 year ago
what bow is the best? Mongolian compound? English longbow? Danes warbow? Pleas tell
emel60 3 years ago
hello i've never seen a Mongolian compound?
do you mean composite
rattyarchery 3 years ago
Pretty sure that's what he meant.
HM1K 3 years ago
@emel60 there is no "best" bow, they are all used for different things. For example, you wouldn't use a shotgun as a long range weapon. Mongolian bows are used for horseback, easy to maneuver and shoot. English long bows are for long range/armor penetration/group volley. You can't use an English long bow on a horse practically, and it would be useless to use a Mongolian horse bow on the ground offensively when you can use a much stronger bow.
Gh0st64 1 year ago
@Gh0st64 wise words :D I wouldn't use a longbow ore better yet I can't...I'm just too small and weak to draw it :D Mongol rulez hehehe :D
emel60 1 year ago
@Gh0st64 You do not know anything about composite bow.Turkish bows are best of the best .also Ottoman Empire archers best of the best . may be horseback bows shorter than others but you never compare with longbow.reserch , Ottoman bow distance .Distance record ,TOZKOPORAN iSKENDER ( 1279 GEZ )844.14M
CEMOLTU 1 year ago
@CEMOLTU
Yes, the Turkish bow design is often regarded as one of the finest composite bow designs. But the number one reason that the Turkish flight archers reached such great distances, is not only due to the bow design, but the "dry-fire" power of these bows. The siyahs are not very large, meaning they can cast light arrows without leaving much energy left in the bow. In contrary, the Mongol bow design emphasized on larger siyahs, which resulted in better cast with heavier arrows.
TYKKETYKKE 1 year ago
@TYKKETYKKE
there are so many better types of bows then the Turkish bow. the turkish bow looks so shitty and small! the trad longbows these days...phew....quiet....speedy....powerful....they pack alot in every arrow flight. Plus, Scythian bows are so much better then Turkish bows. The Mongol bow is one of the best....what tool better upon a horse then the Mongol bow? With that bow, those fuckers conquered almost all of Asia hahahah
dilkashh 1 year ago
@dilkashh
For speed, there are none better than the Turkish. Sorry to say. The Scythian is awesome quite awesome too. And yes, the Mongol design is my favorite, I've got a custom Mongolian horsebow myself.
TYKKETYKKE 1 year ago
@TYKKETYKKE
a custom mongolian? luckyy!!!
if i did have to buy a turkish bow though, it would have to be a Saluki Turkish Horn Bow
How much is ur Mongolian? I want the Vazul at 65#.
dilkashh 1 year ago
@dilkashh
Mine is a Saluki Genghis :)
TYKKETYKKE 1 year ago
@Gh0st64 " armor penetration "??? did you ever seen Turkish bow penetration . Ottoman defeated crusader knight's armor with this bow .
CEMOLTU 1 year ago
@Gh0st64 English long bows are less effective for shooting on horseback (though it has been done throughout history), but they are also have a slower arrow speed which means they can't shoot as far or penetrate armor as well. The composite recurve is simply a superior bow. That is to be expected, because the composite takes far more skill and time and materials to make. The longbow is much easier to mass produce.
hirsutesimia 1 year ago
@hirsutesimia
This is inaccurate. The longbow does have a slower arrow speed, but largely because the heavier longbows must fire much heavier arrows or they'll break from firing shock. However, since impact force = mass x velocity, the impact is no less with a heavier arrow -- every mps it lacks in velocity is compensated for in gms arrow mass. English shooting range MINIMUM standard during Henry VIII's reign was 220 yards. However, shooting a longbow from a horse is indeed a bitch.
Llyranon 1 year ago
@Llyranon
You're wrong. A smaller projectile going at a faster speed will penetrate farther than a heavier projectile going at a slower speed, even if the force imparted is the same and all other things are equal. That's why an arrow will penetrate far deeper than a spear.
Minimum was 220 yards for a longbow? That's laughable. The world record for longest shot was set with a Turkish composite bow, it was something like 800 yards. Just use common sense: composite horn and bone > wood.
hirsutesimia 1 year ago
@hirsutesimia
Arrows to arrows /= arrows to spears comparison. It's more like heavy calibre bullet to light calibre bullet. Assuming both arrowheads are of similar shape, penetration is simply going to be a product of impact force, with a very small tradeoff for the heavier arrow swapping stopping power for penetration. Longbows pierced plate and maille at Agincourt and Crecy. They also knocked knights from their horses, a feat of which the lighter arrow is less capable.
Llyranon 1 year ago
@hirsutesimia
Bear in mind, I was arguing impact force, not simple penetration. Force at impact is mass x velocity/ surface area of point of impact.
If you have sufficient force to penetrate armor, that's all you need. Additional force is better spent on stopping power than on extra penetration. After all, you can kill a deer with a 22 --- if you don't mind spending an hour or so tracking it through the brush. Heavier arrow, like heavier bullet = dead faster.
Llyranon 1 year ago
@Llyranon
Still, a hungarian bow can shoot heavier arrows than a longbow can, at greater distances and with greater speed. This is because it's a more efficient, more powerful machine. The composite materials in a horn bow are simply more springy per cubic inch than plain old yew or ash wood.
hirsutesimia 1 year ago
@hirsutesimia
Granted, the composite bow is a more efficient machine. You can improve a longbow's efficiency by steaming in a reflex-deflex curve, but that wasn't done in Medieval times. I'd be shocked to hear that hungarians used heavier arrows than the massive shafts employed by English medieval archers for war.
However, the Composite bow would have been too fragile for a NW European climate. Sinew backed bowscan delaminate in wetter environments, which bites when they take a year to make
Llyranon 1 year ago
@Llyranon I mean, your proof is right here in this video... this guy is shooting HUGE arrows with a hungarian bow, the same arrows he uses in his 120 pound longbow. I'm not really familiar with the climate in Hungary, but I'm pretty sure it snows and rains there in the winter and I also know that the composite bow was used all up and down Eastern Europe and all throughout Asia. There is a reason it was so widespread, and that's because it was the most effective bow of all time.
hirsutesimia 1 year ago
@hirsutesimia
The arrows shot by a modern archer who also has a longbow, tells us little about which arrows were commonly used by Hungarian archers in history. Horn/sinew bows tend to develop in areas with a dry climate and little useful timber suitable for bowmaking, among herding cultures who spend lots of time on horseback. In addition, not all composite bows are alike. Some are comparatively weak. Only a couple of varieties regularly featured the poundage of Hungarian and Mongol bows.
Llyranon 1 year ago
@hirsutesimia
It's widely acknowledged that the composite bows of antiquity were vulnerable to delamination in a wet climate. That's why archers went to elaborate lengths to protect them during rainy season -- you can't get that sinew wet over and over without loosening it. In a climate like Northern France or Britain, where it is wet 2/3 of the year, composite bows wouldn't last.
Llyranon 1 year ago
@hirsutesimia
Just to clarify: composite bows tend to emerge in dry regions, among herding cultures, in areas with little useable bowmaking wood. By contrast, self-bows tend to emerge in forested areas where bowmaking timbers are plentiful, among hunting cultures. Their regions and popularities are largely due to geography, culture, and people tending to use materials available in and suited to their environments.
Llyranon 1 year ago
@emel60 Best for what?
NoisemakerArrow 1 year ago
can anyone tell me how u shoot with no arror rest because i was thinking about getting one of these bows but i would just like to get an idea of how they shoot
Beghty27 3 years ago
you rest the arrow on your hand. It shouldn't hurt due to the way the arrow flexes as it's released but you can also buy gloves to protect your hand.
UJS8X 3 years ago
thanks
Beghty27 3 years ago
shooting without arrow rest is easy, but you will ned some sort of a glove if you dont want to cut up your hand on the feathers
GoatLord66 3 years ago
X-cuse me 4 da intrusion, but you don't seem to aim too much :)
However, you are a strong man to even string that bow. We also have a bear home (80 pounds at 30 inches), and just does not like those regular lite arrows.
liuntika 3 years ago
Those are beautiful arrows.
avnofhanover 3 years ago
Haha yeah the old chap behind is the best!
bennyboyc1 3 years ago
i agree he's a great chap
rattyarchery 3 years ago
Those arrows are like freaking javelins,lol The pile head lone on that probably weighs as much as a complete 3D shooters arrow.When I was a kid(145lbs)I would shoot my dad's 75# Kodiak recurve(underdrawn of course)but I developed a technique for pulling it similar to yours just on my own and now I can pull almost any weight bow comfortably now that I am a 200lb man.If arrows like bullets range are purely a function of weight carrying energy and sectional density then I can believe it flat 100yds
sopmodm4 3 years ago
haha old guy
buerm009 3 years ago
hehe that old grandpa behind yo is hilarious see how he shoots arrows like slow motionnnn
argirotoxos92 3 years ago
hehe if you were at war when that arrow falled you would have been killed about>>3-5 times hehe otherwise good shooting nice for streching so hard bow(120lbs)
argirotoxos92 3 years ago
it'd be cool if you'd show us the targets
hirsutesimia 3 years ago
hello hirsutesimia :-)
i posted the video to show the shooting technique & style. there was a distance mark but no target.
rattyarchery 3 years ago
oh, ok
well it would be cool if you could make a video showing the targets
hirsutesimia 3 years ago
i would be useing different arrows onthe targets.
rattyarchery 3 years ago
U made it look easy mate
Tubby3307 4 years ago
you got some arms.
obliviousdreamer 4 years ago
thanks lol
i used to weight train 9 years ago.
ive started training again, but its not my physique that enables me to draw a heavy bow it honestly is down to technique.
i know smaller people than myself that can draw heavier bows than me.
rattyarchery 4 years ago
120#! That's 3 almost 4 times more than my current bow!
I'm thinking of getting a (40#) bow from the Hungarian bow maker Karoly Lapat (as I can't afford one from Grozer yet :P). I can't decide on whether to get a mongolian or hungarian styled bow though.
Cymro32 4 years ago
even though they are very similar, hungarian all the way
in my opinion the hungarian bow is the most beautiful in the world
i have a 40# one and it is amazing
hirsutesimia 3 years ago
GREAT video. Very nice :-)
biervvulf 4 years ago
Hi Ratty. Are the bow limbs made from solid fiberglass ?
bubusek 4 years ago
hello bubusek.
the limbs are wood/fibreglass covered with leather to stop ultraviolet damage :-)
the handle and the Rigid siyahs are wood
rattyarchery 4 years ago
A íjat senki se szidja, az is szép!!!
Kassai találta ki... Neki mondjad ezt!
Sevena878 4 years ago
I love the Grozer medieval, it's fun to shot.
Ratty, nice, especially your second shot.
Quenyandur 4 years ago
1 Font kábé 45 dekagramm lehet de lehet hogy tévedek. Nem tetszenek ezek a mértékegységek...
Sevena878 4 years ago
Nem szép??? Nekem nagyon is gyönyörű íj! és a markolat fogása is nagyon kényelmes. nem szeretem az egyenes markolattal rendelkező darabokat.
Sevena878 4 years ago
Lehet, hisz a Kassaiék is csinálnak a Medvéből 110 fontosat.
De ez nem 100%-ig magyar íj, a szarva inkább a Mongolhoz hasonlít, meg az íve sem olyan "szép", de persze nem rossz :-)
alalala28 4 years ago
Szia remélem tudod ért ez. az én -m magyar nyelv készség van nem igazi jó. A íj van egy Középső évek magyar íj készítette Grozer,it csinál úgy néz ki mint egy mongol íj de a íj volt nem gyártott -hoz egy hagyományos pattern.The íj húz 35" -on 120# húz mér.:-)
rattyarchery 4 years ago
Királyul tudsz magyarul !!!! :)
liuntika 3 years ago
Ez most tényleg 120 fontos íj?
nem hiszem el! :D
zylobic 4 years ago
This bow has a string nock and so Hungarian is not on bows.this a Mongolian bow with Hungarian production...but may be that I see it badly.....
bestvideosnet 4 years ago
the bow is a middle ages hungarian bow by Grozer of hungary made in budapest
rattyarchery 4 years ago
thats a beast i see you don thumb release, probably for the better lol nice
equiums1 4 years ago
lol thanks equiums1
i have trouble using a thumbring on bows over 100# i think need to practice more with it ;-)
rattyarchery 4 years ago
Great stuff. Horse bows are always fascinating. What type of wood are you using for the arrows?
foxtrot45 4 years ago
im using 1/2" pine .
its not a traditionaly used wood for the hungarian but within saying that the bow is a bit of a hybrib of the original hungarian design and works a little better i beleive.
by managing a large draw length but still shooting accuratley and fast at a low drawlength .
rattyarchery 4 years ago
i am shooting at the same mark as the chap next to me.
rattyarchery 4 years ago
Wow! I know it's a fast bow, but how far is it capable to shoot?
bjdhgj 4 years ago
hello bjdhgj
i can shoot 240 yds with a 65g 1/2" shaft 34" long with 8" fletch with a bodkin point.
the bow has amazing speed, and cast and is a joy to shoot :-)
rattyarchery 4 years ago
Or is it a Mediewal Hungarian made by Csaba Grozer?
bjdhgj 4 years ago
yes its a medieval hungarian by grozer 80lb at 28" and 120# at 34" and draws to 35"
rattyarchery 4 years ago
Hi!
I think this is not a hungarian bow! It's probably a mongol type, you can se those small things on the horns of the bow, that are beeing hit by the string during shots. Hungarian bows don't have those things.
But anyway it's a fantastic bow!
bjdhgj 4 years ago
holy shit thats crazy
ahudson2012 4 years ago