Madeuf et al with their natural trumpets are incredibly bold and it's admirable. But I can't help thinking I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of historical authenticity for the sake of intonation. There's an especially sour chord in 0:18 and it's just unpleasant to hear. Maybe when they've truly mastered herunterreiben they should use them, but for now, I think I'm in favour of vent holes.
tout y est ...sauf le chœur ! non pas que le quatuor ne donne pas une très bonne interprétation mais jamais Bach n'écrit le chœur d'entrée de la cantate BWV11 pour des solistes, ce choix de Kuijken est un choix purement arbitraire qui tient d'un idéalisme esthétique de salon et ôte à ce chœur d'entrée une grande partie de sa force suggestive
@richie132 Study. All that's left is to study. About Bach, is life and is work. If you not a ignorant , you knew of the existence of a letter by Bach send to the board of St.Thomas church in 23 August 1730, when he explains how the interpret his music. Anything that makes Kuijken. gustav Leonhardt laughed him. Kuijken is more that ridiculous, is a idiot.
@GBADCD well I would not dare to say, that he is an Iditot or ridiculous!!!! There's evidence, for both positions! So maybe Bach used just 4 singers in the "normal" sunday cantatas and more on festive days? How about that? And so far a choir with 30 people are also not what Bach had in his mind. He had also not more than 3 singers per voice! And also Bach didn't use 12 violins! So concerts by Herreweghe or Koopman sound nice but really historical I wouldn't call them too!
@richie132 Study. All that's left is to study. About Bach, is life and is work. If you not a ignorant , you knew of the existence of a letter by Bach send to the board of St.Thomas church in 23 August 1730, when he explains how the interpret his music. Anything that makes Kuijken. gustav Leonhardt laughed him. Kuijken is more that ridiculous, is a idiot.
@richie132 And if you want to hear excellente performance of the "Himmlfahrts Oratorium" buy a CD of Herreweghe and Gustav Leonhardt. Now that's BACH.
You can see on youtube "Sophie karthäuser -Céphale et Procris- (Grétry).The youtubesound ist not very good, but Sophie is wonderful (from the DVD "la petite musique de Marie-Antoinette" by Olivier Simonet, 2006, Armide)
In terms of Susan Boyle phenominen, I keep looking for 'ordinary' looking but talented musicans, but where are they?
The irony is that Bach was fairly average looking. Fact is the lookism machine is still choosing and discriminating against ordinary folk and this detracts from this otherwise wonderful music expose.
@PeriodinstrumentfaN Hi! I don't know exactly what instrument was used by Thibaud Robinne (1st trumpet) but Jean-Francois Madeuf used in the first part of the concert (Ch.P.E.Bach) his copy of an english natural trumpet by Graham Nicholson (the one in this extract is one of his many trumpets, but he also plays sometimes an original instrument from 1st half of 18th century) Nicholson himself as 3rd trumpeter in this recording plays one of his own copies.
One of the guys next to the cello-at around 1:45 is playing an instrument that is fretted like a gamba but with four strings like a cello. The bassist is also playing a similar instrument. I can understand this with the bass, as it is from the viol family, but what is that cello-with-frets thing?
Madeuf et al with their natural trumpets are incredibly bold and it's admirable. But I can't help thinking I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of historical authenticity for the sake of intonation. There's an especially sour chord in 0:18 and it's just unpleasant to hear. Maybe when they've truly mastered herunterreiben they should use them, but for now, I think I'm in favour of vent holes.
TheCrazyCello 1 week ago
Lovely cantata but i prefer bigger choir in this opening chorus.
josefk64 10 months ago
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etiterum 1 year ago
the instruments, when they are confonted with a regular choir, they switch back a bit. but with the soloists they feel on equal footing.
etiterum 1 year ago
Wunderbar!
P1B1U1H1 1 year ago
Really lovely. Do you have the whole cantata? If so, I would love you to post the soprano aria Jesu deine gnaden blikke please.
DivaKazza 2 years ago
tout y est ...sauf le chœur ! non pas que le quatuor ne donne pas une très bonne interprétation mais jamais Bach n'écrit le chœur d'entrée de la cantate BWV11 pour des solistes, ce choix de Kuijken est un choix purement arbitraire qui tient d'un idéalisme esthétique de salon et ôte à ce chœur d'entrée une grande partie de sa force suggestive
vousavezditbaroque 2 years ago
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Kuijken falls into the ridiculous with this way interpreting Bach, no chorus.
GBADCD 2 years ago
This is how Bach intended his choral music to be performed! Now get your facts straight and stop calling Kuijken ridiculous!
richie132 2 years ago
@richie132 Study. All that's left is to study. About Bach, is life and is work. If you not a ignorant , you knew of the existence of a letter by Bach send to the board of St.Thomas church in 23 August 1730, when he explains how the interpret his music. Anything that makes Kuijken. gustav Leonhardt laughed him. Kuijken is more that ridiculous, is a idiot.
GBADCD 1 year ago
@GBADCD well I would not dare to say, that he is an Iditot or ridiculous!!!! There's evidence, for both positions! So maybe Bach used just 4 singers in the "normal" sunday cantatas and more on festive days? How about that? And so far a choir with 30 people are also not what Bach had in his mind. He had also not more than 3 singers per voice! And also Bach didn't use 12 violins! So concerts by Herreweghe or Koopman sound nice but really historical I wouldn't call them too!
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@richie132 Study. All that's left is to study. About Bach, is life and is work. If you not a ignorant , you knew of the existence of a letter by Bach send to the board of St.Thomas church in 23 August 1730, when he explains how the interpret his music. Anything that makes Kuijken. gustav Leonhardt laughed him. Kuijken is more that ridiculous, is a idiot.
GBADCD 1 year ago
@richie132 And if you want to hear excellente performance of the "Himmlfahrts Oratorium" buy a CD of Herreweghe and Gustav Leonhardt. Now that's BACH.
GBADCD 1 year ago
Awesome. I really enjoyed the period instruments. Trumpets were the best. Great job!
cdctrumpet1 2 years ago 3
thanks so much! Sophie has such a great voice (went to her web page).
ceciliagaerlan 2 years ago
You can see on youtube "Sophie karthäuser -Céphale et Procris- (Grétry).The youtubesound ist not very good, but Sophie is wonderful (from the DVD "la petite musique de Marie-Antoinette" by Olivier Simonet, 2006, Armide)
ouest55 2 years ago
Who is the soprano?
ceciliagaerlan 2 years ago
the soprano is Sophie Kärthauser
ouest55 2 years ago
Interessant! - Während wir mit etwa 60 Sängern das Werk gemeistert haben, ist hier pro Stimmlage nur eine Stimme zu hören. -
Wunderbar! - Bravo! - Eine wohl gelungene darbietung! :-)
tritonusgesang 2 years ago
In terms of Susan Boyle phenominen, I keep looking for 'ordinary' looking but talented musicans, but where are they?
The irony is that Bach was fairly average looking. Fact is the lookism machine is still choosing and discriminating against ordinary folk and this detracts from this otherwise wonderful music expose.
rh7189 2 years ago
another wonderful performance....resonance excellent with spatial sense but no annoying echo.....like this very much....thank you edreno.....
aelfricbetera 3 years ago
Was denn, noch kein deutscher Kommentar ? Das lässt sich ändern, Himmelfahrtsoratorium kannte ich noch nicht, hört sich aber gut an.
Zwiebel68 3 years ago 2
Ich hab das schon mal mitgesungen, es ist wirklich sehr schoen...
Julien17 3 years ago
Logisch es gibt kein Worter für dieses himlisch schöne Musik.
ritamaria55 2 years ago 5
The Baroque Trumpets unlike most modern day baroque trumpets have no vent holes !!! Amazing !!!
...i wonder if these are "original instruments"
PeriodinstrumentfaN 3 years ago
@PeriodinstrumentfaN Hi! I don't know exactly what instrument was used by Thibaud Robinne (1st trumpet) but Jean-Francois Madeuf used in the first part of the concert (Ch.P.E.Bach) his copy of an english natural trumpet by Graham Nicholson (the one in this extract is one of his many trumpets, but he also plays sometimes an original instrument from 1st half of 18th century) Nicholson himself as 3rd trumpeter in this recording plays one of his own copies.
trompetermax 1 year ago 2
the marvelous music of all the world...
thank you so much...
Rekordx 3 years ago 2
Nicely done. Thank you for posting this video.
Teigen64 3 years ago
i thank you so much for the beautiful video.
it contains the most marvelous music for me.
Rekordx 3 years ago
Hahah it sucks ,i searched this cuz my music teacher will ask me for the Oratorium and i dident know what it means haha lol >!
XHUMBITO1 3 years ago
u sould start to listen much more muzik like that and u wil discover new senses of u`r life.enjoy with classical muzik:)
paladinne 3 years ago 3
In our choir weé singing lobet gott in seinen reichen. it´s so much fun. i love that song ;)
Leorcha 3 years ago
4th singer from the left is my uncle ! =D
Nelee92 4 years ago 2
I sung the Evangelium part in this cantata last year in my school baroque weekend,,, it was soooooo much fun!
apollogodofstars 4 years ago
funny that Sigiswald Kuijken is family of mine
Skopjess 4 years ago
I was there.
Fastastic.
corellino65 4 years ago
Note that all 3 on trumpet use natural trumpet without vent holes!
The trumpet players are: Thibalut Rhone 1st, Jean Francois Madeuf 2nd and Grahamn Nicholson 3rd.
ojtrumpet 4 years ago
One of the guys next to the cello-at around 1:45 is playing an instrument that is fretted like a gamba but with four strings like a cello. The bassist is also playing a similar instrument. I can understand this with the bass, as it is from the viol family, but what is that cello-with-frets thing?
guyoftheplace 3 years ago
extraordinary !
Bownik 4 years ago
My favorite cantata!
subbourdon32 4 years ago
Awesome performance! Thanks for posting it.
onionpizza 4 years ago