Islam the religion created by the catholic church. The very people who enslaved blacks and made them flee to south africa and west africa. The very people who did business in helping the white man capture blacks and send them into America.Wasn't Muhammad white?Allat Al uzah etc.The exact same practice the tribe of koresh had before Muhammad in which he was apart of. Allah was a god worshiped along the 365 other gods on the Kaaba.Muhammad just made them worship one. He also was a back stabber.
@blackghost0000 Well I don't agree he was Anthony and Cleopatra's son, but I do agree he did visit the Buddist, and I have the script translated that he was there and his name Is Isaa. As a matter of fact he told them this" MASIH ISAA" Same as the Isa In Arabic from Muslims. pbuh I have to delete you. saying the N word you guys are ignorant and pathetic still using that term.
@rahim4411 PATHEIC ! LOL NIGGER PLEASE ! GET YOUR KNOWLEDGE UP ! GET OUT THESE WACK ASS RELGIONS ! RESEACH THE WORD NIGGER !START WITH THE BLACKS OF ASIA! THEN BOBBY HEMMIT GET OFF YOUR EGO"S HIGH HORSE ! I FUCK WITH THE KABALAH NOT NO BULLSIT NIGGERS LIKE MUHAMMAD AND HAGGINS NIGGER PLEASE!
You see people, the ignorace of some of these Kemetains? Saaneter also, he called me the N word behind the scenes that's what I went to that debate to see him personally, to let him know I wasn't having it. All praise is due to Allah Lord of the Worlds!
@horusasar You hate yourself. take care because your ignorance won't be tolerated on this page. You can't even debate because you are to ignorant to debate so you spew hate. If this is what so called black power represent i don't want nothing to do with it.
@rahim4411 Big Whup, Buddha never historically existed either so yes I would tell them that their figurehead is a myth as well. They have their stories just like everybody else, if you can beat'em join'em theory. Just like I need to go and study and come back....You need to use some COMMON SENSE. And Study too!!!!
The funny thing is you kemet guys are mad at me for what? It's your own Amun-Ra people going at it in this video not a muslim, hindu, christian, buddis, hebrew, THE CULT OF RA PEOPLE MAD AT EACH OTHER! Saaneter <---- is not a muslim he is a Asar lover, a Kemetian believer! So is Ray. Yall work that out don't blaim no one else, Ray didn't come with anything to prove Islam wasn't started by Africans! AS I SAID BEFORE RAY KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT ISLAM!!!
@horusasar DISCUSS U? Dude no one is here to please you, if you don't like the video stop coming here. Another thing if you call me or anyone else the "N" word on my page again, fair warning I will boot you off indefinitely! You're so ignorant you can't even debate me correctly and you can't even write a correct simple sentence. I don't believe in anything I KNOW, because I have facts to back it up. I said to you "MA'AT HOTEP" and you're suppose to be a Kemetian and don't respect that.
@horusasar see i told you, you people don't even live the life of the Kemetians yall just wanna pick their names and walk around with black power activism it doesn't work like that. Are you getting on your knees more than 10 times a day with your forehead to the ground praying to all 95 Egyptian gods? Do you speak Demotic? Why call me the N word? Because you can't have a healthy debate with me? If I don't know what I am talking about prove me wrong!
@horusasar go and live your life dude, what you claim to know you don't practice so it's not even a thing of respect for you. You are so caught up in emotions you can't even bring any facts to the front. If you think or claim Islam was no where around in Africa started by African's who were dark as night YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG! And I can prove it. Kemet is gone, Islam was around then and it's still here and growing! There is nothing you can do about it! Ma'at-Hotep!
@horusasar LOL I would say DEATH TO THE CULT OF AMUN-RA, AUSAR, PTAH ETC, BUT THEY ARE ALREADY DEAD! Islam was around before the Cult of Ra and Ausar and it's still here can't say that for the Kemetians! You people don't even live a Kemetian life, how many of you get down on your knees and put your face to the ground like the Kemetians did and Pray to Amun? Saaneter even recognize the real, Ray H knew nothing of Islam I am glad I was there! MA'AT-HOTEP! :-)
@horusasar YOUR OWN CULT OF RA WENT AGAINST EACH OTHER SAANETER AND RAY HAGGINS BELIEVE IN THE SAME THING ALONG WITH TAHUTI AND THEY WERE MAD AT HIM LOL HAHAH THEN THEY MADE A VIDEO ABOUT HIM LOL HAHAHAH YALL CAN'T EVEN GET IT TOGETHER!
the only point made is we are mentally messed up!Look at our body as a whole people dont want the truth the culture here is war war war.Ray seen where it was going before it started OVERSTANDING why play this tried game.Christianity predates Islam ITS JUST GANGS USEING THE METHODS OF OTHER MISLEADING GANGS.Please raise the vibrations of the people lets not continue on this low frequency.REMEMBER A LIE MAKES ITS WAY AROUND THE WORLD BEFORE THE TRUTH CAN PUT ITS PAINTS ON.
@splitgardenz1 CHIRSTIANITY DOESN'T PREDATE ISLAM, WHERE DID YOU GET THAT FROM? SHOW ME BECAUSE I CAN SHOW YOU DEFINITELY ABSOLUTELY YOU'RE WRONG AND I CAN SHOW YOU EXAXCTLY WHEN CHRISTIANITY CAME. JESUS HIMSELF KNEW NOTHING OF CHRISTIANITY AND NEVER CALLHIMSELF A CHRISTIAN! WHO NAMED THE HEBREWS CHRISTIANS SPLIT?
At the National Archives located in Washington, DC, there is a WWI draft card on file for Wallie Dodd Fard. Fard listed his birth date as February 26, 1893, his place of birth as Afghanistan. He listed his race as Caucasian. However someone at the draft board put the name “Ford” in parenthesis thinking the spelling was in error. Eventually, “Ford” became an alias of Fard.
@Thutmose0 THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF ARTIFACTS OF MUHAMMAD'S ON DISPLAY, DO YOU CARE TO GO TO BRITIAN AT THE MUSEUM AND SEE THEM? YOIU'LL PROBABLY STILL DENY IT. DID YOU SAY BUDDA? LOL YOU MUST BE A DUDE THAT DON'T STUDY. SHOW ME WHERE AUSAR, AUSET AND HERU EXISTED AS HUMAN BEINGS!
@rahim4411 No, I don't care to go to britian to see artifakes of muhammad, why would I go there to see something that doesn't prove the existance of such. Just like jesus, buddha they never existed. Artifacts, like books don't prove the person lived. You actually answered yourself at the end, just like Ausar, Auset,and Heru none of them are real, however as long as you believe so they live in your mind only, which gives them the power hang around.
@Thutmose0 Hold on, did you say just books? Man there are not just books, but letters, writting from other nations in Africa such as the Negus of Abbysinia writting to and about Muhammad pbuh, letters that Muhammad wrote to other nations, and the most important FAMILY FROM HIS DIRECT BLOODLINE! They are in Africa today and they are not CAUCASIAN! So this is not just in the mind dude.
@rahim4411 I guess it's hard for you to understand that just like the original myths out of Kemet, came the myths around the world. Christian myths and Islamic myths. Letters are still literary and don't prove the existance of someone, not even a family so-called bloodline means a person is real. Just that someone wanted to get rid of that christian slave master for that Islamic slavemaster's name. Are you an Arab or Ancient Afrikan?
@Thutmose0 I am the ORIGINAL MAN OF ALKEBULAN, THE ABORIGINAL MAN ! You do know what Alkebulan is right? You do know Arabs or Arabia is just another room in Africa just like Chad, Ghana, Libya, Nigeria, Somilia etc, all have different territory bounderies in Africa, you do know this right? YOu let the Caucasian man fool you with HIS map, and there is no such thing as a middle east, The original Arabs are African, and Arabia is nothing more than Northeast Africa! Wat are you talking about?
@rahim4411 It's ALKEBU-LAN... One of the most ancient names of the continent of Afrika by Afrikans. However none of this intellectual masterbating speaks of the Arab Slavemasters conquering our Land, and People. Hell the Original People were Afrikan and the original arab was due to the migrating of Our Ppl. But they became one of our most deadly inslavers then and still today depending where u live. With that mindset everywhere is Afrika, when all the land was one Genesis 11:verse 1 or Pangea.
@Thutmose do you actually read what you write? You're name is Thutmose, which is one of the Pharaohs of Kemet, yet you said "just like Ausar, Auset,and Heru none of them are real"... So how are you going to say what someone else believes in myths and you believe in the biggest myths? Is this a "MY MYTH IS BETTER THAN YOUR MYTHS? Have you even studied Islam? Do you read Arabia? What Doctors and Scholars have you studied under academically? Plus Muhammad has a tomb his mamma and daddy too!
@rahim4411 Thutmose actually existed correct? But Ausar, Auset and Heru didn't correct? No I'm saying out of the original myths came ALL the others including Islamic Myths. No I can honestly say I've never had the desire to study Islam since I'm an Ancient Afrikan. No I don't read or speak Arabic since I my Ancestors were brought to Amerikkka by the European, Arab slavetraders Ive lost knowledge of my original tongue so I now read english. Muhammads tomb Mom and Dad 2 where? Dr. Clarke, Dr Ben
@Thutmose0 Thumose 1, 2, & 3 existed But the cult of Ra and Asuar these didn't exist yet they made images of them as though they did. YOu do know this don't you? There were people in the world before the Eyptians, they are not the first people on the planet and they are not the only myths nor the first myths. Show me Islamic Myths I gotta see this, show me 2 if you dare!
@rahim4411 Elementary historical facts. Islamic Myth No.1 Muhammad never historically existed. Question Myth No. 2 If Abraham was a so-called hebrew and Hagar was an Egyptian how did Ishmel become an arab? just asking.....?
@Thutmose0 Ok, now the meaning of Arab is "AL ARAB" meaning "THE DARK", Aramaic, Hebrew, Arabic are from the same stock of people from Kush, Kushites are Semitic peoples also. If you lived in Arabia then you were called an Arab, plain and simple yet if you read up on the Himyrited and Lihyan were people of Kush who were arabs because they lived in Arabia. See?
@Thutmose0 WRong! There is enough evidence Muhammad pbuh existed. Abraham, you wouldn't go to the east looking for that name it's Ibrahim pbuh! There are letters from other kings that wrote to Muhammad because he wrote to them, especially Negus of Ethiopia so you will deny that also? So the Negus didn't exist either ? Just like Egypt had it's writings so did other nations, Egypt wasn't the only nation on earth.
@rahim4411 Now I know why Dr. Hagins didn't debate wesley muhammad, it's a waste of time. So you have the right to remain ignorant. You never answered all my questions, But let me say this, I remember when I was a child writing letters to santa claus, does he exist? As far as Gal. 4: 22-24 an allegory means he made it up, or he Lied.
@Thutmose0 You also give Ausar, Auset and Heru power to hang around and they don't exist at all Period! Muhammad pbuh did and this is a fact. Show me he didn't exist! Just because you said he didn't don't mean it's true. First off there was no Man named Jesus, that's a later invention so the Son of Mary child's name is in Hebrew-Aramaic, care to tell me his real name in full since you claim you have this knowledge Mary's son didn't exist?
@rahim4411 How do you know to whom I give power too? I don't have to show you Muhammad never exsited? How do you show someone something that never lived? Prove to me he did. I know jesus never existed I wonder how come you could grasp on to jesus never existing but not muhammad? Why do you want to know the name of someone that didn't exist? is this a trick question or are you trying to find out that the letter j didn't arrive until the 6th century?
@Thutmose0 dude, you claimed Muhammad and so called Jesus pbut never existed, show me documentation they never existed, the burden of proof is on you, you brought it up not me! first off I grasp that the name of a man named JESUS never existed because the name JESUS is a MISNOMER! You do know what a misnomer is right? If you go looking for Jesus in the east people will not know who you are talking about If you say Isa ibn/ben Mariar/Maryum they will know. That's what I meant, the man Isa did!
@rahim4411 To disprove something/someone doesn't it/they have to be proven in the first place? So the burden of proof is with YOU. So let me try to understand this, jesus ia misnamed and is a myth in the west but lived as Isa in the east? Wow, even stevie wonder can see that out of the 3 major religions judism, christianity, Islam All have a figurehead, All have no historical evidence to prove their existance, No moses or musa no jesus or Isa No muhammad No Buddha, No Ausar, No Aset All Myths.
@rahim4411 Okay I'll give you something to start with, go dig out your Buy- Bull to GALATIANS 4: 22-24 READ IT CAREFULLY keep in mind that no one in the bible ever historically existed either,but the stories show you their craftyness if you read it correctly. I myself couldn't be in any religion that had any doubts in the figureheads. I need to KNOW and not give in to Make-beLIEve supersitiions. It would have to be connected to my culture, heritage not someone elses, NO SLAVEMASTERS CULTURE ...
@jamie201120 don't talk about it, be about it, Im in NYC are you? We can deal with that in public! put it on U Tube so everyone can see you get crushed in your suppose to be comic book nonsense!
@jamie201120 blacks? LOL You're using Caucasian man words of status to indentify us? LOL It's done things for our people why you don't see it is because YOU ARE NOT LOOKING! Look at your own Egyptian brother Saaneter talking about he is going to take his shaddah, who do you blaim that on Muslims or Ray? You're own Egyptian clan is against one another! What has Egyptian done for us? It's gone how the hell did they let the Persians conquer them? You tell me!
@jamie201120 keep your distance don't come on my page! stay true to yourword, Your own black activist got on Ray Haggins, Saaneter is not a Muslim heck he don't even practice Kemetic teachings, and he got on Ray so don't blame Muslims for this, it's plain to see you wanted a victory and YOU ARE A SORE LOSER! Your allegations are false!
@jamie201120 YOu are a fool. you need to prove that! if you can't you need to shut up, you come on my page calling names cause Ray didn't provide knowledge that he CLAIM he had? Don't blaim Muslims for his ill actions.
Jamie, why are you so hostile? I am well studied and if you knew anything you would know Caucasians are not that smart to start Islam, every faith from that part of the world Africans made! I am deleting your post until you can clean up your mouth. You talk like you're suppose to be educated and still use the N word in 2011, you are bugged out.
@jamie201120 You're wrong, islam is and African way of life it's not even a religion, you sit here hating the caucasian yet you use his word RELIGION to ratify your basis, are you crazy? Anything Africans made is not a religion and if you said Caucasians made Islam, PROVE IT! Show me cause I can show you you're wrong! I'll even debate you in public, YEAH I AM CALLING YOU OUT! I live in New York City!
Does anyone in that room know where Islam came from? I applaud Dr Hagins for not debating in that forum because a debate can be won by someone without stating any facts; all one has to do is be charismatic, appease the audience with laughter and through in a few disses and you got them.. At the end of the day Islam does not predate egyptian or summarian text...Black folk please learn your true african history. HE WHO DOES NOT KNOW HIS PAST ARE DESTINED TO REPEAT IT.
Why do we always got to battle each other? Most of all I really don't understand how is it that them brothers call themselves Muslim but I never hear them speak the language fluidly like English? Also what is the name of that video when Phil Valentine expose the truth about Islam. I think is was dealing with symbols, and I also remember when Phil display a picture of a pussy over the stone that Muslim prays to just to show how symbolism works. The Most High has no religion so why do we?
Wesley lied about Farrad. Elijah son said he was white. Then wESLEY SAID NO WHITES IN ISLAM lied farrakhan said whites are. tHE PROPHET mUHAMMAD Was not black he was not literate and had black slave bilal helped him create the religion. Wesley is following the teaches of Elijah who followed a white man and his son rejected because the white man was said to be the devil. Hadith no 122 vol 2 white proph 436 vol 6 hadith welsley lied video farrakhan and elijah son proves this youtube united blkp
@75hoya I agree what you said about Wesley lied about Fard. We can all see by the painting that Fard was Caucasian lol Now which hadith did you read Muhammad pbuh him was white? Because Tirmidi that hadith says Muhammad was dark. Plus if you study the history of the Arabs you will know they were Dark Africans living in Arabia. Plus I have seen the descendants of Muhammad and they are dark so there is no way he could be Caucasian!
if i were Dr. Ray Haggin i would not have tooken the debate if i did not have information about that particular topic. however, lack of information for that specific topic does not mean he lost tha debate. and to frank with you, debate or not both parties should be together and not debating for self agrandizement. i use to be a muslim. and if anybody is lost would be a lost muslim.
Brother you are into the things of khemet, I gave you the answers... I told you to read the dream steal then read what happened in the exodus story dealing with the first born....
THEN READ ABOUT THE HABIRU
Really its all simple. Simply read that and you will see that THUTHMOSIS III had a son named Amenophis II OR Amenhotep II. You will read for yourself that THUTHMOSIS THE IV PRETTY MUCH GAVE AWAY THE TRUTH TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THE EXODUS, IF you still cant figure it out I will explain.
@qhefner123 LOL WHAT TIME FRAME ARE YOU LOOKING AT????
ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS LOOK AT ANY GOOD SOURCE AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THE HEBREWS WERE MENTIONED PRIOR TO AHKENATON, AS WELL AS THE HABIRU PEOPLE!!! BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE IN THE SAME. CHECK OUT THE "ARMANA LETTERS" THESE DATES WILL BE BEFORE YOUR PRECIOUS AHKENATON.....
IN THE LATE 1400'S B.C.E. THAT PREDATES AHKENATON ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, AND THEY WERE A MIXED MULTITUDE, JUST AS TORAH EXPLAINS.
@HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS I HOPE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BLACK HEBREW RITE? YOU CAN ALSO CHECK WAY BEFORE YOUR TORA LOOK IN THE SIRIANS TABLETS, POINT BLANK YOUR LEARNINGS COME FROM HOTMOSES (MOSES). ALSO CHECK YOUR DEFINITION OF AB-RA-HAM.
EVEN THE TORAH TELLS YOU THE LAWS EXISTED BEFORE THE HEBREW NATION WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?? THE HEBREWS WERE THE LAST NATION TO COME ON THE SCENE, THE EGYPTIANS BABYLONIANS SHUMERIANS ETC ALL KNEW THE LAWS WE HEBREWS WERE ENTRUSTED TO KEEP. LEARN TORAH BEFORE YOU SPEAK ON IT. AND ABRAHAM, NAME WASNT EVEN SPELLED LIKE THAT.....LOL
@HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS QUESTION: YOUR TORA COMES BEFORE THE MEDU-NETER? WHAT'S IS THE TETRAGRAMMATON? YAHWEH... OPS! SORRY TO SACRED SHOULD I SAID YHWH? MHMM THE TONGUE OF FIRE
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS WHO SAID THE TORAH CAME BEFORE THE MEDU NETER?? I said the creator gave these principles we now call torah before there was even a egyptian nature.. Thats why these laws are understood universally... No lying, cheating etc. they should be inside you for the most part.Regarding the name, its not even YAHWEH. YHWH IS PRONOUNCED "YAHH" Once again stop listening to the caucasians. there is no scripture that states we cant say his name.... LOL GET REAL AHCH.
If you would simply read instead of listening to other people you would know that even in the first book of barashiyth (genesis) IT TELLS YOU THAT YHWH was dealing with mankind before there was an egyptian nation as the khemetians come from KHWAM OR HAM. And adam and the rest had laws of sacrifice as well. Hence every culture sacrificed!!! Now the 'jews" (we are not jews, but YHWHUDITES) SAY THE NAME IS TO SACRED TO SAY, BUT THATS NONSENSE AS YHWH GAVE IT TO US TO SAY!! LOL.
THINK ABOUT THAT HOW CAN A NAME BE TOO SACRED TO SAY, YET HE GAVE IT TO US?? THE PEOPLE THAT LIE AND SAY THEY ARE THE BIBLICAL HEBREWS ARE ACTUALLY JEWS. THERE IS NO "J" IN THE HEBREW LANGUAGE. FACT.
WE NEVER CALLED OURSELVES JEWS. FACT
HOW CAN WE CALL OURSELVES SOMETHING THAT OUR LANGUAGE WOULDNT EVEN ALLOW US TO PRONOUNCE?
WE CALLED OURSELVES YHWHUDIM (pronounced) YAH-OO-DEEM OR YAH-OO-DEE. Go up to an arab and say you are YAHOODEE AND PEEP THE LOOK HE GIVES YOU.
WHILE YOU THINK YOU ARE KHEMETIAN WITH NO PROOF, THEY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE, AND IF YOU SAY THIS TO ANY ARAB, THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE YAHOODEE. But you being a slave dont understand this.... and you want to identify with egypt so badly.. THE YAHOODEE PEOPLE WERE FROM THE WEST COASTS OF AFRICA ORIGINALLY AND THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE CURSED BY THEIR GOD.....AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE TORAH TEACHES WOULD HAPPEN TO US READ PSALMS 83..... HOW THE NATIONS WERE AGAINST US.
@HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS See that's what Iam talking about, now let me ask you since you got ahead of the subject i was abot to ask you....Is the TORA the same teaching as the CATHOLIC BIBLE? I mean the old testament since some of the JEWISH people dont believe in the CRIST as the New Testament, just a QUESTION so I can have it on writing,.... please......
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS No teh catholic bible contains more than torah, it contains apochryphal books as well as that hellish new testament and its fake jesus..
I got a series on my channel check it out brother.
@HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS, ok i was asking about them your (ancsestors) beacause in the catholic Bible speaks about them as well, also speaks about the Psalms your book spaeks about just trying to make sence since you said the Bible is FAKE, another question: are you a (J) HEWISH the ones that prays in the SYNAGOGUE? or you are a HEBREW ISRAELITE the ones that teach on the streets?
I never stated the bible was fake, the new testament is fake, not the old testament.....
I am neither, I am what you call a BLACK NEGROE, AND I dont teach on the streets, thats new testament garbage, we were never commissioned to do that. I dont believe in JESUS AT ALL, AND I DONT TEACH OUT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT!!! I teach out of the torah/tanakh..... OLD TESTAMENT
I TEACH AND LIVE LIKE MY ANCESTORS THAT LOVED THE CREATOR... CHECK OUT MY VIDEOS BROTHER.
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS I never consider my self as a COLOR (negro) am a Nubian Latino from Central America even though I was once indoctrinated in the catholic believe, I started to learn Afro Centric Studies and to be honest started to make more sence of the things I aready Know, now Iam mentaly conscious to know that religion always gona put us at war, now the same way you dont believe in the so call Jesus, you got people also not believing in Mouses who parted the sea with a so call staff
@HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS thats another thing, i dont believe on no burning bush speaking to no man about go and liberate his people, now what kind a God is That? shouldnt everyone be his people, to me is just another way to make people the ignorant believe YAOODA is always goint to be Gods people so yall can remain in POWER. point blank yall did then and you all still doing it now, yall know the legal system, how to suck the monetary system, secction 8, the SSI, since you like to laugh a lot..HELLO!
Brother I am a black man, I am not a jew, I am a hebrew israelite. Regarding the burning bush, if you choose not to believe that I have no problem with that....''YHWH'S CHOSEN PEOPLE ARE US NEGROES, THE HEATHENS CALL US YAHOODEE, BECAUSE THEY KNOW WE AMERICAN BLACKS COME FROM THE SOUTHERN KINGDOM OF YAHUDAH.
The caucasian jews are stealing our identity but more and more is coming out each day regarding who the children of ISRAEL REALLY ARE.
@qhefner123 well do a little research my friend on the habiru people and around what time this happened.... I have proof that the exodus happened, ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT THE DREAM STELA AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU NOTICED.... Simply PUT, many afrocentrist scholars (dr ben) etc were looking during the wrong time frame...
and regarding monotheistic, are you referring to SHUMERIA BEING MONOTHEISITIC? iF YOU ARE THEN KNOW I NEVER CLAIMED THEY WAS, BUT THE HEBREWS WERE PRIOR TO AHKENATONS 18TH DYNASTY.
@qhefner123 AND DEALING WITH SHUMERIA, MOST DONT KNOW ABOUT SHUMERIA AT ALL. WHEN ITS EASY TO SEE THAT THE GOD "SIN" ARRIVED IN KHEMET VIA SHUMERIA IN WHICH IT ORIGINATED...
SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN, MOST PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT SHUMERIA WAS ALL ABOUT.... AND HOW THEY CONTRIBUTED TO WHAT NOW IS SOLELY ATTRIBUTED TO KHEMET FOR SOME REASON.
AHKENATON STARTED MONOTHEISM IN THE 18TH DYNASTY, THE HEBREWS WERE INTO MONOTHEISM PRIOR TO AHKENATON..... 1400 B.C.E.!!!
SO IT DIDNT START IN EGYPT...
FIRST RESEARCH THE HABIRU PEOPLE AND LET ME KNOW WHO YOU THINK THESE PEOPLE ARE... SECOND, GIVE ME THE DATE OF THESE PEOPLE AND YOU WILL SEE THEY PREDATE AHKENATON EASILY.... THIS IS AROUND THE 12TH, 13 DYNASTY EASILY WAY BEFORE AHKNENATON AND HIS CONVERSION TO MONOTHEISM.
EGYPT WASNT THE BEGINNING WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY GOT IT FROM? IT WAS THE PLACE WHERE OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME MUCH KNOWLEDGE WAS ACCRUED.WERE THEY NOT LISTED AS COLONISTS SENT FROM ETHIOPIA? AND EVEN IF YOU STILL DONT UNDERSTAND, "SHUMERIA" TRUMPS ALL THAT TALK. FERTILE CRESCENT, ITS JUST THAT MOST NEGROES DONT KNOW ABOUT SHUMERIA CALLED SUMERIA.
@qhefner123 You with all this black power nonsense yall keep doing that crap that played out with Angela Davis and our people aint moving no where because of minds like yours. If Egypt is so this and that why aren't you living an Egyptian life? Look how you use profanity, why? Is that Ma'at? I mean do Ma'at teach you that? lol please don't even write me anymore just like Ray Haggins was bust down by Dr Wes you would of too!
@qhefner123 Islam didn't start with Muhammad Islam was lived before that man was even born! His daddy name was Abdullah do you know what that means? SERVENT OF ALLAH so if his daddy name was that and it had the word Allah in it don't that tell you Islam was lived before Muhammad was born? Go do your research young one!
@qhefner123 LOL ok, AGAIN I DON'T FOLLOW RELIGION! Again Islam outdates Christianity I gave you the names go look them up on the net, Himyarites and Lihyan people. there are temples in Yemen that are thousands of years old with the inscription of Allah on it. Have you ever been there? Do you even remotely have the knowledge of Islam? You know nothing of islam because if you did you would know it's very very old!
Then JESUS from the Latin HeZeus[prononced], so the transliterator of that specific Quran put the word Jesus there because English speaking is use to the word, that's why it's there. Again Get a Quran and you will see it's in Arabic the original tongue not English!
@qhefner123 Have you even read a Qur'an? I swear yall are just so smart you are stupid! First of all the Qur'an consist on one side Arabiah, the other side English, now the typical English speaking person DON'T SPEAK ARABIC! duh!!! In the arabic his name is "ISA IBN MARYUM" means "JESUS SON OF MARY " in English, thats what we as Muslims learn how to read Arabic. The word JESUS comes from Greek IESOUS. Cont.....
@qhefner123 The Kemet way of life was made up of men also, so what you saying? Asar, Aset and Heru were MYTHS! There were not real people, all those myths Kemet told and you got the nerve to talk about Myths? How come Kemet fell if they are so much the truth? Why did Muhammad pbuh in the Qur'an say Islam will prevail over all other faiths and it's happening today?
@qhefner123 lol first of all, I am not a 5% and you have no idea what the hell you are talking about . 5% preach that All Leg Leg Arm Head crap first of all learn the difference between them and us. They don't claim to be mulsims do you know that? Listen go get the right knowledge before you approach me ok, it's a waste of time! Gomez dunbar is a STORY OF THE 5%ERS NOT MUSLIMS !!!
@qhefner123 Qhefner you don't have no idea what you are talking about. Islam never came from Kemet because Kemet wasn't even on the map at one point and time. Second Islam is did not just come 200 years ago lol where do you get your info? the Lihyan and Himyarites lived Islamic lives and left momument predating your so called speculation. Kemet came out of some where do you know where that is? Herodotus was told by the Egyptians where they came from.
if islam is a way of life than why do they have to threatin people with death if they leave? and why do they have koranic schools? shouldnt people know all the rules just by growing up in a islamic family?
@meshashelly I think you read to many caucasian news on the internet and on TV, there are people that have left islam and have not been threatened. First of all there is no such word as koran, it's Qur'an. Second of all there is no such thing as a Quranic school, there are Islam universities where you don't only study Quran but math, science, geography, animal life etc. Plus not everone grows up muslim people convert.
@meshashelly So if people convert they have to learn right? maybe you need to think before you write sarcastically to me. That's like asking why you went to school. smh. The Qur'an is not all about rules either have you ever read a Qur'an? See that's why you are so ignorant and asking illogical questions. Have some common sense.
@rahim4411 dont get mad, i was just lettin u know islam is a religion just like the rest. cuz if it was a way of life there would be no need for the koran. every muslam has to read the koran, if it was a way of life u would just live that lifestyle without even lookin at a koran. even the people who was born into islam have to read the koran
@meshashelly Your concept of religion and way of life is warped! Again it's NOT A RELIGION! It's called "DIN AL ISLAM" "WAY OF LIFE SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF ALLAH". So if you don't read Arabic and understand you will keep making speculatory remarks and don't have a clue. I am not mad I am correcting you because I know Islam better than you do I live it you don't! I have 20 years under my belt you don't!
@meshashelly HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THERE IS NO SUCH WORD IN ISLAM AS KORAN? The Book we read is Qur'an, you are looking very ignorant now, like Caucasian people when they don't understand something they do stupid things, you are definitely Americanized to the core!
@meshashelly When you go to school you have to read books right? What school you know where they don't have books? Stop mixing up because we Read the Quran that it's not a way of life still. Way of life means we live the 5 pillars of Islam, we don't get drunk Sat to Thursday on Fri go to the Masjid then get drunk again, no we stay righteous until we die and we live according to our teachings.
@meshashelly If you think you can read the Quran once and understand everything in it, then you must be one educated person, but I know you don't. I have been reading the Quran for 20 years straight and still find new meaning in the verses because it's just that deep, that's not some Donald Goin book you read once and leave. Every society has rules what are you talking about?
@meshashelly Even in Kemet they had to read but they lived a way of life. they read on papyrus and put their writings in hieroglyphic format and they read all the time. IT'S CALLED BEING EDUCATED AND REMINDING YOURSELF! I want to see you go to school read the book once and then don't have to every read that book again, like a math book. You are a piece of work
@rahim4411 dude islam is a religion, if u dont do those things u named u will not make it to heaven. a way of life is something u live naturally without fear of consequence, u dont need a book to remind u because its all around u. u learn it natuarally just by growing up around it, like african spirituality u dont read books about it u just live it. and why u keep talking about going to school? going to school is not a way of life, its something we all do because we have to.
@qhefner123 LOL check this out. Prove to me Islam is fake! So you're saying Kemetian beliefs are not man made? Who made them then? LOL
Nah I am not a god. Turn that word around and you get "dog" . It amazes me you cats sit up here using Caucasians terms when in Kemet there is no such word for GOD! Just go get the answers I asked you. Thank youl.
I have never ever met Dr. Ray Haggins but I will tell you this. I have watched a bunch of his videos. He is only saying let empower ourselves (black People). And add UNIITY to our struggle (BLACK PEOPLE UNITY). We need each other and thats ALL I GOT FROM HIM. A MESSAGE MIXED WITH FACTS AND TRUTH WHICH ARE ONE IN THE SAME. NO I DON'T ATTEND HIS CHURCH BUT I GET IT. CUZ IM NOT A FOLLOWER. WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AS ONE SO THAT WE HAVE A STRONGER VOICE AS A PEOPLE. NOT MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS ETC ONE
Peace ppl, I haven't been following these guys very long, I'm starting now to learn more reading about our history as Black ppl and our religions. From what I can see as far as youtube goes, Ray Haggins has videos with power point presentations debunking the belief in Jesus and weather he existed. Him saying he doesn't do this (proving popular belief wrong, or trying to that is) is a bold faced lie. Guess its easy to do that when no one's challenging your argument with strong evidence
1. there should not even have been a debate on is islam an afrikan religion..1st ALL religions that the masses are involved in is a goddamn perverted version of afrikan SPIRITUALITY...there was NEVER a religion in afrika....ONLY A WAY OF LIFE...yall people disgust me...fuck islam, fuck judaism, and fuck christianity....ALL OF THOSE PHILOSOPHIES KEEP MY NATION ENSLAVED AND IGNORANT...thank the GODDESSS that my SUNS are nothing like you IDIOTS..true KING/GODS indeed...
@Amunet369 Hotep! That's the first thing you should of said to me. Second, Islam the phrase "DIN AL ISLAM" means "WAY OF LIFE SUBMISSION TO ALLAH". So if you talk about a way of life Islam provides that. Do Ma'at Teach you to use profanity the way you do? First of all, Kemet enslaved the Levetines, and Nubians and took natural resorces from their own African people and you call that ok? Why aren't you talking about that? Where is Kemet and the Pharoahs today?
@Amunet369 Islam definitely don't keep people ignorant. Do you stand and urinate? Yes or no! when you give me an answer Ima show you just how keen islam is on that matter alone, so just give me a yes or no answer and I am going to show you something that will make you think . Hotep bro!
@rahim4411 Hotep and much luv...1st AMUNET is a GODDESS wife of AMUN, so if i did stand and urinate, i would be pissing all over myself lol...nonetheless, any religious or nonreligious being can piss or shit so i dont see the connection there...2nd you can not be simultaneously religious and spiritual, submission to a "god" requires just that: submission and no room for anything else..3rd spirituality and religion is not the same, spirituality comes from within and relates to the natural cosmos
@rahim4411 continued...religion is a political tool for the ignorant masses to pretty much keep people in check...sheeeeiiit, if i vibrated on a low frequency i would be super rich using religion alone as a hustle...4th the kemetu needed not any slaves, there is no translation for the sound (word) slave in kemetu language...5th nubians and kemetus intermarried... some wives of pharoahs were nubian....6th the kemetu paid for their resources as far as east asia and they paid ppl for their
@rahim4411 continued....services, they were a proud folk you should know...7th kemet is still alive today, just waiting on their children to WAKE UP...it is however, being desecrated by the same ppl who brought to the masses RELIGION to SUBJUGATE...and while everyone is okay with submission to their "god" they let the "devil" destroy the very things that sustains life...i do not call that okay and i have long come to innerstand that other ppls gods is my devil....
@Amunet369 Let me ask you since you said all that. How in the world did powerful kemet fall if it was all that? Please lay it out for me. I don't see non of your wearing Kemetain garb I see the muslims where theirs, some chrisitians where theirs, Hebrew Israelites where theirs I don't see yall wearing crowns and one loc on your children's head. Hell yall don't know all the mysteres of Kemet and never will. Who is the one that deciphered the Hiero?
@rahim4411 My kmtu garb is my colors, my jewelry is symbolic, my crown is my natural afro and/or braids, my youngest sun been growing his locs since the age of three...
@rahim4411 i am educating my SUNS to RULE, not to be a subjugated yes suh no suh massa suh....they should be taught HOW and allowed to think, not TOLD what to think...religion does not afford you that...you must think what you are told just like a programed robot or a zombie...and you really think that is cool? I will tell you whats NOT COOL: explaining to my SUNS that they cant have certain freedoms because they are a part of a subjugated nation....
@Amunet369 All this crap about thinking for yourself is just a defensive machanism of one's own self worth. I think for myself everyday. The Qur'an don't tell me how to tie my shoes, or scramble eggs, or how to water my garden, come on man, this is nuts! I would like to see you run a red light and a cop car see you then you tell me what you thought for yourself!
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This so called debate was unprofessional aka it was bull shit. All this yelling. Comments like " We didn't come here to here about no unity". Next time do the paper work. Hire some professionals to run the debate. Please be sure they are neutral.
@LER77 LOL oh wow you hit it on the head. First of all it was promoted as a DIALOGUE because Dr. Ray isn't that type, but why then at the event Dr. Wes came blazing! It was a debate they tried to dress it up as a dialogue, on Saaneter's part. A dialogue would of been putting a round table on stage and they sit and discuss the matter, it was set up like a debate and you spoke the truth. I was there I seen it.
Not one African nation could really stand an enemy when they were Islam or Christians, unless they joined with someone else. While during the time of Kemet for thousands of years we could withstand the enemy. Haiti could withstand the enemy for several decennia as long as they were using the African spirituality the correct way and also several other black communities in the Caribbean and Suriname and Guyana and Brazil etc
@lafemmenaturalle Hold up if Haggins didn't want to debate which Saaneter on his other post said it was a dialogue he shouldn't have shown up. Saaneter practice Kemet also so it was Kemetians against Kemetains, don't put that on Islam, Christianity or Hebrew Israelites. Saaneter himself said the man said Dr Wes was wrong in talking about Islam is from Africa. Take that up with Saaneter!
Since this debating is about who won and who lost it is not uplifting our worldwide community. Rather causing confusion and frustration and distraction. Purposely or unintentionally we are giving the enemy the opportunity to again divide us or to keep us from what it is really about.
What strikes me is that lot of so called conscious brothers in America like to entertain. If I’m not wrong the black consciousness is not about entertaining and debating, I also haven’t seen brothers like Bobby Hemmit and Phil Valentine available for this debating joke, also I never saw elders like dr Clarke Dr Ben or Dr Ivan van Sertima
@khufu65 Phil V was asked by Ali and Dr Wes to debate on things he said and he didn't show up, so...... there's your answer about him. Those guys just sit in their on club house and give views they don't wanna debate so there you have it.
@rahim4411 (Part a)I’m not into discussing these things, since I consider these different fractions as different levels of awareness (considering the honesty of everyone involved). But this debating is not necessary .If we want to know which fraction is closer to the truth we must do our own research.
@rahim4411 (Part b)These brothers can only give us some guidelines, but we eventually got to do our own homework or else it becomes like the old way waiting for some to tell us what to do or to believe. The same old bad habit: waiting for a savior.
part2 Take for example in this context Haiti, when they were more spiritual then religious they were able to defeat the enemy. The enemy is not afraid for your is Islam or your christianity,he is afraid for your African spirituality, which he is not able to control. He don’t care of you want Jesus black or Mohammed black
@rahim4411 (a)On this subject of war you must do some more in-depth research, you’ll find out that this war is neither for the benefit of Islam nor for Africans. This war is to depict Islam as something evil and to gain power trough divide and conquer and the masters behind this are nobody else than the so-called jew.
@rahim4411 . (b)And one more time brother Islam is not our weapon, our weapon is our AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY. Take time to study some real African history. Take time to study your brethrens in the Caribbean. And you’ll get a clue why the African spirituality is the only way for black liberation. One more time: Kemet was able to defeat the enemy with a combination of spirituality and militarism.
@rahim4411(c)Haiti was able to defeat France (the mightiest army that time), to defeat Spain and England with nothing else then the African Spirituality. They even had the ability and the strength to export their revolution to South America. In the Caribbean different communities had the power to withstand and defeat the Europeans by calling on their ancient gods. Islam indeed one time conquered his way through the world, but was this done by the Africans.
@rahim4411 (d)No it was a confederation between Africans (Moors),the Africans from the Arabian peninsula(Arabs) and the so-called “ white arabs”. But as you noticed, when time came they betray us, the Islam was not able to help us.
@Amunet369 all this arguing back and forth about religion and as a nation we are a subjugated ppl with NO RESPECT ANYWHERE ON THIS EARTH...hence the term "buffoonery"...
@lafemmenaturalle dr haggins said that it was not supposed to be a debate but more like a discussion...however, when he got there, he saw it was more of a minstral/sambo show...i would not have participated in it either...i dont blame him for leaving...
@Amunet369a)Yes you’re right. Even if the mythical jesus was black and mohammed was black, that only does not justify these religions. It is not white people or white arabs brought our downfall. We did that by our self when we left the real Alkebulan way of life thousands of years ago. In fact what we are doing now is to awaken to a way of life we’ve been living thousands if not hundreds of thousand years ago.
@Amunet369 b)Not an easy task hence the different fraction, but I believe that in time we will agree to one common (real) ground(true ancient way of life).Individuals has kept on living this way. In the case of Haiti and some communities in the Caribbean and southamerica (when we fought against slavery) only a small fraction of that live was used. Imagine what will happen when we use the whole spectrum.
@Amunet369 Islam is not a religion, for yall to be against the Caucasian man so much you use his same words to convo with. Islam is an acient way of life, way before Muhammad pbuh was born, do you know that? You think Islam started with Muhammad? do you even know the definition of Islam?
@rahim4411 (e)We also made our spirituality known and available to the enemy (notice the many so-called secret organization for example Rosicrucian’s etc,etc especially in Europe) while we relying on Islam and our so-called brothers in the faith, and the same time neglecting our own spirituality. I don’t have to tell you what the consequences were/are of again ignoring our AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY
I think we all are missing the point here of the consciousness. I thought the aim of the black consciousness was to lead us back to our African spirituality. The enemy is again succeeding to keep us from to real thing.
Now here's the shocker- My last month visit to Istanbul,Turkey to see Prophet Muhammad Hair in a match box. From The looks of it -those Grey & Blonde hairs was not of African Origin but Causian,Arab or Mongolian. A wasted trip but worth the laughs,besides they never had DNA testing done on those hairs age or origin. There's a old saying: (If you Got to make up Myth leave very little or no Evidence) because Niggas love Magic.
Funny: Neither men visited Istanbul,Turkey nor Saudi Arabia. In fact your Wesley Muhammad never visit Kemet or any other place in Africa. If anyone wanted the answer to the 'Islamic African theme' i would have told them Islam not a Ancient-but a present day African Religion.
@tutnoses Man Islam is ancient and if you believe some cats told you Muhammad's hair strans was in a match box and they were grey and blonde I have to wonder about you, and thank you for the laugh. LOL all I can say is THEY GOTCHA! LOL SMH
@rahim4411 Sorry. it's not Ancient at all. Americans make me laugh when they read or believe what they heard from a book. But here's my Question to you or any other man of a Mythical Faith. (What was Islam before it's Name?) It's a A.D Religion from a B.C Ritual nor is it older than Christianity. Hint: Most Arabs at that time worship the Moon and Genie tales. But no disrespet of your faith because the majority need magical & mythical beings in your lives.
@tutnoses Let me answer that for you! IT WAS CALLED ISLAM!
Now you got the nerve to talk about myths? Kemet told the biggest myths of them all! A man getting cut up into 15 pieces and Auset only finds 14 and then ressurects him? As a matter of Fact Ausar, Auset and Heru wasn't even real! They are a myths also.
" the coffin of Ausar (Osiris) was swept by the waves to the shoreline of a foreign land. A tree sprang up and grew around it, enclosing the body of Ausar in its trunk. The tree grew large, beautiful, and fragrant." Get the heck outta here with that. IN A TREE TRUNK? lol hahahah
@tutnoses Ausar didn't exist until the last Pharoah of the 5th dynasty that's where he shows up! If you can prove he existed even as a fable before that, I wanna see the proof! The Egyptians were the biggest myth tellers of all time!
Ray Haggin proved he's a bigger man..on a bigger level...STOP the cheer leading...the trickery or set up you Muhammad love'n/ Chocolate Arabs tried to pull on Dr. Ray Haggin was bogus....
@DEZZLELUV Proved he is the Bigger man? No what happen is he got exposed! He came to a debate with NO INFO! Then he got exposed being with an organization of Police who is trying to bring our sista Asata back to the US and you're talking trash? Saaneter called him out and exposed him too, it's about truth I was there were you? He tried to make Saaneter out to be the bad guy. he even said Dr. Wesley was wrong but yet had no info! You are kidding me!
@DEZZLELUV Ray wanted to challenge Dr. Wes on "IS ISLAM AN AFRICAN RELIGIOIN" he knew what was going on. One minute he says Muhammad exist then the next the don't. he was exposed by Dr. Wes when Dr. Wes showed the film of him talking about Muhammad as if he existed. Ray Haggins is the one pulling the fast one chief !
@rahim4411 Dr Ray wanted to challenge Dr Wes? Don't insult our intellect. They paid him to come to their venue where they had studied Dr Ray's videos. I heard in one of the videos they said it was a VERBAL AGREEMENT. When you said that you lost me. Put the shit in writing.
@LER77 Are you kidding me? Yes he told Saaneter He would like to challenge Dr Wes on if Islam is an African Religion, and he even said Dr Wes was wrong for saying that, ask Saaneter! I was there, were you? I worked in a law firm, a verbal agreement is just as good as a signed contract, and it's valid as long as you have said witness!
@rahim4411 Not If said witness is in your clique. Get it in writing. Common sense when money is involved and there are always these disagreements historically.
@LER77 I agree with using a written agree is best. but verbal agreements are good too with witnesses, even from a person's clique because when they testify they have to swear on the court. Plus they have to be credible, I have seen it over and over, I told ya I use to work for a law firm. Heresay is inadmissable in court, witnesses isn't.
@LER77 They paid him so what, what's your point? Saaneter was mad also! Ray Haggins preach Kemet now, and he didn't say anything, got busted because he claimed Muhammad pbuh didn't exist then he say in his lecture as though Muhammad existed! That is crazy! Dr. Wes showed his hyprocracy! Not only did he lose the discussion but HE HAD NO INFO ON NOTHING! I mean how do you come all the way from the state he lives to NY without any info.
@rahim4411 I'd like to see these debates in a neutral setting. With a mediator of some type. When it comes to these debates on religion. I find them divisive and sometimes informative if we can get pass the arguing. El Hajj Malik el Shabazz said it best. Religion is your personal relationship with the creator. Our best hope is Nationality. Thats the future.
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Islam the religion created by the catholic church. The very people who enslaved blacks and made them flee to south africa and west africa. The very people who did business in helping the white man capture blacks and send them into America.Wasn't Muhammad white?Allat Al uzah etc.The exact same practice the tribe of koresh had before Muhammad in which he was apart of. Allah was a god worshiped along the 365 other gods on the Kaaba.Muhammad just made them worship one. He also was a back stabber.
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ave383 10 hours ago
@blackghost0000 Well I don't agree he was Anthony and Cleopatra's son, but I do agree he did visit the Buddist, and I have the script translated that he was there and his name Is Isaa. As a matter of fact he told them this" MASIH ISAA" Same as the Isa In Arabic from Muslims. pbuh I have to delete you. saying the N word you guys are ignorant and pathetic still using that term.
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 PATHEIC ! LOL NIGGER PLEASE ! GET YOUR KNOWLEDGE UP ! GET OUT THESE WACK ASS RELGIONS ! RESEACH THE WORD NIGGER !START WITH THE BLACKS OF ASIA! THEN BOBBY HEMMIT GET OFF YOUR EGO"S HIGH HORSE ! I FUCK WITH THE KABALAH NOT NO BULLSIT NIGGERS LIKE MUHAMMAD AND HAGGINS NIGGER PLEASE!
blackghost0000 1 week ago
You see people, the ignorace of some of these Kemetains? Saaneter also, he called me the N word behind the scenes that's what I went to that debate to see him personally, to let him know I wasn't having it. All praise is due to Allah Lord of the Worlds!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@horusasar You hate yourself. take care because your ignorance won't be tolerated on this page. You can't even debate because you are to ignorant to debate so you spew hate. If this is what so called black power represent i don't want nothing to do with it.
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 Big Whup, Buddha never historically existed either so yes I would tell them that their figurehead is a myth as well. They have their stories just like everybody else, if you can beat'em join'em theory. Just like I need to go and study and come back....You need to use some COMMON SENSE. And Study too!!!!
Thutmose0 2 months ago
The funny thing is you kemet guys are mad at me for what? It's your own Amun-Ra people going at it in this video not a muslim, hindu, christian, buddis, hebrew, THE CULT OF RA PEOPLE MAD AT EACH OTHER! Saaneter <---- is not a muslim he is a Asar lover, a Kemetian believer! So is Ray. Yall work that out don't blaim no one else, Ray didn't come with anything to prove Islam wasn't started by Africans! AS I SAID BEFORE RAY KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT ISLAM!!!
rahim4411 2 months ago
IT DISCUSS ME THAT YOU NIGGER WILL BELIEVE IN ANY THING BUT YOURSELF BLACKPOWER
horusasar 2 months ago
@horusasar DISCUSS U? Dude no one is here to please you, if you don't like the video stop coming here. Another thing if you call me or anyone else the "N" word on my page again, fair warning I will boot you off indefinitely! You're so ignorant you can't even debate me correctly and you can't even write a correct simple sentence. I don't believe in anything I KNOW, because I have facts to back it up. I said to you "MA'AT HOTEP" and you're suppose to be a Kemetian and don't respect that.
rahim4411 2 months ago
@horusasar see i told you, you people don't even live the life of the Kemetians yall just wanna pick their names and walk around with black power activism it doesn't work like that. Are you getting on your knees more than 10 times a day with your forehead to the ground praying to all 95 Egyptian gods? Do you speak Demotic? Why call me the N word? Because you can't have a healthy debate with me? If I don't know what I am talking about prove me wrong!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@horusasar go and live your life dude, what you claim to know you don't practice so it's not even a thing of respect for you. You are so caught up in emotions you can't even bring any facts to the front. If you think or claim Islam was no where around in Africa started by African's who were dark as night YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG! And I can prove it. Kemet is gone, Islam was around then and it's still here and growing! There is nothing you can do about it! Ma'at-Hotep!
rahim4411 2 months ago
DEATH TO ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY MAY THEY BOTH DIE A VIOLENT DEATH BLACKPOWER
horusasar 2 months ago
@horusasar LOL I would say DEATH TO THE CULT OF AMUN-RA, AUSAR, PTAH ETC, BUT THEY ARE ALREADY DEAD! Islam was around before the Cult of Ra and Ausar and it's still here can't say that for the Kemetians! You people don't even live a Kemetian life, how many of you get down on your knees and put your face to the ground like the Kemetians did and Pray to Amun? Saaneter even recognize the real, Ray H knew nothing of Islam I am glad I was there! MA'AT-HOTEP! :-)
rahim4411 2 months ago
@horusasar YOUR OWN CULT OF RA WENT AGAINST EACH OTHER SAANETER AND RAY HAGGINS BELIEVE IN THE SAME THING ALONG WITH TAHUTI AND THEY WERE MAD AT HIM LOL HAHAH THEN THEY MADE A VIDEO ABOUT HIM LOL HAHAHAH YALL CAN'T EVEN GET IT TOGETHER!
rahim4411 2 months ago
the only point made is we are mentally messed up!Look at our body as a whole people dont want the truth the culture here is war war war.Ray seen where it was going before it started OVERSTANDING why play this tried game.Christianity predates Islam ITS JUST GANGS USEING THE METHODS OF OTHER MISLEADING GANGS.Please raise the vibrations of the people lets not continue on this low frequency.REMEMBER A LIE MAKES ITS WAY AROUND THE WORLD BEFORE THE TRUTH CAN PUT ITS PAINTS ON.
splitgardenz1 4 months ago
@splitgardenz1 CHIRSTIANITY DOESN'T PREDATE ISLAM, WHERE DID YOU GET THAT FROM? SHOW ME BECAUSE I CAN SHOW YOU DEFINITELY ABSOLUTELY YOU'RE WRONG AND I CAN SHOW YOU EXAXCTLY WHEN CHRISTIANITY CAME. JESUS HIMSELF KNEW NOTHING OF CHRISTIANITY AND NEVER CALLHIMSELF A CHRISTIAN! WHO NAMED THE HEBREWS CHRISTIANS SPLIT?
rahim4411 2 months ago
At the National Archives located in Washington, DC, there is a WWI draft card on file for Wallie Dodd Fard. Fard listed his birth date as February 26, 1893, his place of birth as Afghanistan. He listed his race as Caucasian. However someone at the draft board put the name “Ford” in parenthesis thinking the spelling was in error. Eventually, “Ford” became an alias of Fard.
resumebwd 4 months ago
Pls prove muhammad, jesus, heru, budda, ever historically existed?
Thutmose0 5 months ago
@Thutmose0 THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF ARTIFACTS OF MUHAMMAD'S ON DISPLAY, DO YOU CARE TO GO TO BRITIAN AT THE MUSEUM AND SEE THEM? YOIU'LL PROBABLY STILL DENY IT. DID YOU SAY BUDDA? LOL YOU MUST BE A DUDE THAT DON'T STUDY. SHOW ME WHERE AUSAR, AUSET AND HERU EXISTED AS HUMAN BEINGS!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 MUHAMMAD EXITED HE WAS AN INVADER ! HE INVADED MECCA TWICE HE WAS NO PROPHET !
blackghost0000 2 months ago
@blackghost0000 and you're invading my post with nonsense!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 No, I don't care to go to britian to see artifakes of muhammad, why would I go there to see something that doesn't prove the existance of such. Just like jesus, buddha they never existed. Artifacts, like books don't prove the person lived. You actually answered yourself at the end, just like Ausar, Auset,and Heru none of them are real, however as long as you believe so they live in your mind only, which gives them the power hang around.
Thutmose0 2 months ago
@Thutmose0 Hold on, did you say just books? Man there are not just books, but letters, writting from other nations in Africa such as the Negus of Abbysinia writting to and about Muhammad pbuh, letters that Muhammad wrote to other nations, and the most important FAMILY FROM HIS DIRECT BLOODLINE! They are in Africa today and they are not CAUCASIAN! So this is not just in the mind dude.
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 I guess it's hard for you to understand that just like the original myths out of Kemet, came the myths around the world. Christian myths and Islamic myths. Letters are still literary and don't prove the existance of someone, not even a family so-called bloodline means a person is real. Just that someone wanted to get rid of that christian slave master for that Islamic slavemaster's name. Are you an Arab or Ancient Afrikan?
Thutmose0 2 months ago
@Thutmose0 I am the ORIGINAL MAN OF ALKEBULAN, THE ABORIGINAL MAN ! You do know what Alkebulan is right? You do know Arabs or Arabia is just another room in Africa just like Chad, Ghana, Libya, Nigeria, Somilia etc, all have different territory bounderies in Africa, you do know this right? YOu let the Caucasian man fool you with HIS map, and there is no such thing as a middle east, The original Arabs are African, and Arabia is nothing more than Northeast Africa! Wat are you talking about?
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 It's ALKEBU-LAN... One of the most ancient names of the continent of Afrika by Afrikans. However none of this intellectual masterbating speaks of the Arab Slavemasters conquering our Land, and People. Hell the Original People were Afrikan and the original arab was due to the migrating of Our Ppl. But they became one of our most deadly inslavers then and still today depending where u live. With that mindset everywhere is Afrika, when all the land was one Genesis 11:verse 1 or Pangea.
Thutmose0 2 months ago
@Thutmose do you actually read what you write? You're name is Thutmose, which is one of the Pharaohs of Kemet, yet you said "just like Ausar, Auset,and Heru none of them are real"... So how are you going to say what someone else believes in myths and you believe in the biggest myths? Is this a "MY MYTH IS BETTER THAN YOUR MYTHS? Have you even studied Islam? Do you read Arabia? What Doctors and Scholars have you studied under academically? Plus Muhammad has a tomb his mamma and daddy too!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 Thutmose actually existed correct? But Ausar, Auset and Heru didn't correct? No I'm saying out of the original myths came ALL the others including Islamic Myths. No I can honestly say I've never had the desire to study Islam since I'm an Ancient Afrikan. No I don't read or speak Arabic since I my Ancestors were brought to Amerikkka by the European, Arab slavetraders Ive lost knowledge of my original tongue so I now read english. Muhammads tomb Mom and Dad 2 where? Dr. Clarke, Dr Ben
Thutmose0 2 months ago
@Thutmose0 Thumose 1, 2, & 3 existed But the cult of Ra and Asuar these didn't exist yet they made images of them as though they did. YOu do know this don't you? There were people in the world before the Eyptians, they are not the first people on the planet and they are not the only myths nor the first myths. Show me Islamic Myths I gotta see this, show me 2 if you dare!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 Elementary historical facts. Islamic Myth No.1 Muhammad never historically existed. Question Myth No. 2 If Abraham was a so-called hebrew and Hagar was an Egyptian how did Ishmel become an arab? just asking.....?
Thutmose0 2 months ago
@Thutmose0 Ok, now the meaning of Arab is "AL ARAB" meaning "THE DARK", Aramaic, Hebrew, Arabic are from the same stock of people from Kush, Kushites are Semitic peoples also. If you lived in Arabia then you were called an Arab, plain and simple yet if you read up on the Himyrited and Lihyan were people of Kush who were arabs because they lived in Arabia. See?
rahim4411 2 months ago
@Thutmose0 WRong! There is enough evidence Muhammad pbuh existed. Abraham, you wouldn't go to the east looking for that name it's Ibrahim pbuh! There are letters from other kings that wrote to Muhammad because he wrote to them, especially Negus of Ethiopia so you will deny that also? So the Negus didn't exist either ? Just like Egypt had it's writings so did other nations, Egypt wasn't the only nation on earth.
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 Now I know why Dr. Hagins didn't debate wesley muhammad, it's a waste of time. So you have the right to remain ignorant. You never answered all my questions, But let me say this, I remember when I was a child writing letters to santa claus, does he exist? As far as Gal. 4: 22-24 an allegory means he made it up, or he Lied.
Thutmose0 1 month ago
@Thutmose0 You also give Ausar, Auset and Heru power to hang around and they don't exist at all Period! Muhammad pbuh did and this is a fact. Show me he didn't exist! Just because you said he didn't don't mean it's true. First off there was no Man named Jesus, that's a later invention so the Son of Mary child's name is in Hebrew-Aramaic, care to tell me his real name in full since you claim you have this knowledge Mary's son didn't exist?
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 How do you know to whom I give power too? I don't have to show you Muhammad never exsited? How do you show someone something that never lived? Prove to me he did. I know jesus never existed I wonder how come you could grasp on to jesus never existing but not muhammad? Why do you want to know the name of someone that didn't exist? is this a trick question or are you trying to find out that the letter j didn't arrive until the 6th century?
Thutmose0 2 months ago
@Thutmose0 dude, you claimed Muhammad and so called Jesus pbut never existed, show me documentation they never existed, the burden of proof is on you, you brought it up not me! first off I grasp that the name of a man named JESUS never existed because the name JESUS is a MISNOMER! You do know what a misnomer is right? If you go looking for Jesus in the east people will not know who you are talking about If you say Isa ibn/ben Mariar/Maryum they will know. That's what I meant, the man Isa did!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@rahim4411 To disprove something/someone doesn't it/they have to be proven in the first place? So the burden of proof is with YOU. So let me try to understand this, jesus ia misnamed and is a myth in the west but lived as Isa in the east? Wow, even stevie wonder can see that out of the 3 major religions judism, christianity, Islam All have a figurehead, All have no historical evidence to prove their existance, No moses or musa no jesus or Isa No muhammad No Buddha, No Ausar, No Aset All Myths.
Thutmose0 2 months ago
@rahim4411 Okay I'll give you something to start with, go dig out your Buy- Bull to GALATIANS 4: 22-24 READ IT CAREFULLY keep in mind that no one in the bible ever historically existed either,but the stories show you their craftyness if you read it correctly. I myself couldn't be in any religion that had any doubts in the figureheads. I need to KNOW and not give in to Make-beLIEve supersitiions. It would have to be connected to my culture, heritage not someone elses, NO SLAVEMASTERS CULTURE ...
Thutmose0 2 months ago
@Thutmose0 I have read that and know that's there, what's your point about Gal 4:22-24?
rahim4411 2 months ago
@jamie201120 don't talk about it, be about it, Im in NYC are you? We can deal with that in public! put it on U Tube so everyone can see you get crushed in your suppose to be comic book nonsense!
rahim4411 7 months ago
@jamie201120 blacks? LOL You're using Caucasian man words of status to indentify us? LOL It's done things for our people why you don't see it is because YOU ARE NOT LOOKING! Look at your own Egyptian brother Saaneter talking about he is going to take his shaddah, who do you blaim that on Muslims or Ray? You're own Egyptian clan is against one another! What has Egyptian done for us? It's gone how the hell did they let the Persians conquer them? You tell me!
rahim4411 7 months ago
@jamie201120 keep your distance don't come on my page! stay true to yourword, Your own black activist got on Ray Haggins, Saaneter is not a Muslim heck he don't even practice Kemetic teachings, and he got on Ray so don't blame Muslims for this, it's plain to see you wanted a victory and YOU ARE A SORE LOSER! Your allegations are false!
rahim4411 7 months ago
islam is a white islam religion we all know that
jamie201120 7 months ago
@jamie201120 YOu are a fool. you need to prove that! if you can't you need to shut up, you come on my page calling names cause Ray didn't provide knowledge that he CLAIM he had? Don't blaim Muslims for his ill actions.
rahim4411 7 months ago
Jamie, why are you so hostile? I am well studied and if you knew anything you would know Caucasians are not that smart to start Islam, every faith from that part of the world Africans made! I am deleting your post until you can clean up your mouth. You talk like you're suppose to be educated and still use the N word in 2011, you are bugged out.
rahim4411 7 months ago
@jamie201120 You're wrong, islam is and African way of life it's not even a religion, you sit here hating the caucasian yet you use his word RELIGION to ratify your basis, are you crazy? Anything Africans made is not a religion and if you said Caucasians made Islam, PROVE IT! Show me cause I can show you you're wrong! I'll even debate you in public, YEAH I AM CALLING YOU OUT! I live in New York City!
rahim4411 7 months ago
Does anyone in that room know where Islam came from? I applaud Dr Hagins for not debating in that forum because a debate can be won by someone without stating any facts; all one has to do is be charismatic, appease the audience with laughter and through in a few disses and you got them.. At the end of the day Islam does not predate egyptian or summarian text...Black folk please learn your true african history. HE WHO DOES NOT KNOW HIS PAST ARE DESTINED TO REPEAT IT.
backbydemand 7 months ago
@backbydemand So letme ask you how old is Islam then? You tell me since you seem like you're well learned old Adept one!
rahim4411 7 months ago
Why do we always got to battle each other? Most of all I really don't understand how is it that them brothers call themselves Muslim but I never hear them speak the language fluidly like English? Also what is the name of that video when Phil Valentine expose the truth about Islam. I think is was dealing with symbols, and I also remember when Phil display a picture of a pussy over the stone that Muslim prays to just to show how symbolism works. The Most High has no religion so why do we?
irocdis 8 months ago
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irocdis 8 months ago
We got to still recpect the brother Dr Ray .he is still a good teacher....Hotep
freckg 9 months ago
@freckg Peace, thanks for your comment
rahim4411 9 months ago
Wesley lied about Farrad. Elijah son said he was white. Then wESLEY SAID NO WHITES IN ISLAM lied farrakhan said whites are. tHE PROPHET mUHAMMAD Was not black he was not literate and had black slave bilal helped him create the religion. Wesley is following the teaches of Elijah who followed a white man and his son rejected because the white man was said to be the devil. Hadith no 122 vol 2 white proph 436 vol 6 hadith welsley lied video farrakhan and elijah son proves this youtube united blkp
75hoya 10 months ago
@75hoya I agree what you said about Wesley lied about Fard. We can all see by the painting that Fard was Caucasian lol Now which hadith did you read Muhammad pbuh him was white? Because Tirmidi that hadith says Muhammad was dark. Plus if you study the history of the Arabs you will know they were Dark Africans living in Arabia. Plus I have seen the descendants of Muhammad and they are dark so there is no way he could be Caucasian!
rahim4411 10 months ago
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firstman5555 8 months ago
if i were Dr. Ray Haggin i would not have tooken the debate if i did not have information about that particular topic. however, lack of information for that specific topic does not mean he lost tha debate. and to frank with you, debate or not both parties should be together and not debating for self agrandizement. i use to be a muslim. and if anybody is lost would be a lost muslim.
innercitygossip 1 year ago
Brother you are into the things of khemet, I gave you the answers... I told you to read the dream steal then read what happened in the exodus story dealing with the first born....
THEN READ ABOUT THE HABIRU
Really its all simple. Simply read that and you will see that THUTHMOSIS III had a son named Amenophis II OR Amenhotep II. You will read for yourself that THUTHMOSIS THE IV PRETTY MUCH GAVE AWAY THE TRUTH TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THE EXODUS, IF you still cant figure it out I will explain.
shalom
HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS 1 year ago
@qhefner123 oh I thought you were insinuating that akhenaton created or rather started monotheism....
HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS 1 year ago
@qhefner123 LOL WHAT TIME FRAME ARE YOU LOOKING AT????
ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS LOOK AT ANY GOOD SOURCE AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THE HEBREWS WERE MENTIONED PRIOR TO AHKENATON, AS WELL AS THE HABIRU PEOPLE!!! BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE IN THE SAME. CHECK OUT THE "ARMANA LETTERS" THESE DATES WILL BE BEFORE YOUR PRECIOUS AHKENATON.....
IN THE LATE 1400'S B.C.E. THAT PREDATES AHKENATON ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, AND THEY WERE A MIXED MULTITUDE, JUST AS TORAH EXPLAINS.
THEY WERE ALSO SENT BEFORE AHKENATONS REIGN!
HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS 1 year ago
@HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS I HOPE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BLACK HEBREW RITE? YOU CAN ALSO CHECK WAY BEFORE YOUR TORA LOOK IN THE SIRIANS TABLETS, POINT BLANK YOUR LEARNINGS COME FROM HOTMOSES (MOSES). ALSO CHECK YOUR DEFINITION OF AB-RA-HAM.
NYDEMOLITIONFANS 1 year ago
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS
LOL
EVEN THE TORAH TELLS YOU THE LAWS EXISTED BEFORE THE HEBREW NATION WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?? THE HEBREWS WERE THE LAST NATION TO COME ON THE SCENE, THE EGYPTIANS BABYLONIANS SHUMERIANS ETC ALL KNEW THE LAWS WE HEBREWS WERE ENTRUSTED TO KEEP. LEARN TORAH BEFORE YOU SPEAK ON IT. AND ABRAHAM, NAME WASNT EVEN SPELLED LIKE THAT.....LOL
YOU DEALING WITH ENGLISH MY SON.
HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS 1 year ago
@HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS QUESTION: YOUR TORA COMES BEFORE THE MEDU-NETER? WHAT'S IS THE TETRAGRAMMATON? YAHWEH... OPS! SORRY TO SACRED SHOULD I SAID YHWH? MHMM THE TONGUE OF FIRE
NYDEMOLITIONFANS 1 year ago
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS WHO SAID THE TORAH CAME BEFORE THE MEDU NETER?? I said the creator gave these principles we now call torah before there was even a egyptian nature.. Thats why these laws are understood universally... No lying, cheating etc. they should be inside you for the most part.Regarding the name, its not even YAHWEH. YHWH IS PRONOUNCED "YAHH" Once again stop listening to the caucasians. there is no scripture that states we cant say his name.... LOL GET REAL AHCH.
HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS 1 year ago
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS
If you would simply read instead of listening to other people you would know that even in the first book of barashiyth (genesis) IT TELLS YOU THAT YHWH was dealing with mankind before there was an egyptian nation as the khemetians come from KHWAM OR HAM. And adam and the rest had laws of sacrifice as well. Hence every culture sacrificed!!! Now the 'jews" (we are not jews, but YHWHUDITES) SAY THE NAME IS TO SACRED TO SAY, BUT THATS NONSENSE AS YHWH GAVE IT TO US TO SAY!! LOL.
HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS 1 year ago
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS
THINK ABOUT THAT HOW CAN A NAME BE TOO SACRED TO SAY, YET HE GAVE IT TO US?? THE PEOPLE THAT LIE AND SAY THEY ARE THE BIBLICAL HEBREWS ARE ACTUALLY JEWS. THERE IS NO "J" IN THE HEBREW LANGUAGE. FACT.
WE NEVER CALLED OURSELVES JEWS. FACT
HOW CAN WE CALL OURSELVES SOMETHING THAT OUR LANGUAGE WOULDNT EVEN ALLOW US TO PRONOUNCE?
WE CALLED OURSELVES YHWHUDIM (pronounced) YAH-OO-DEEM OR YAH-OO-DEE. Go up to an arab and say you are YAHOODEE AND PEEP THE LOOK HE GIVES YOU.
CONT.
HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS 1 year ago
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS
WHILE YOU THINK YOU ARE KHEMETIAN WITH NO PROOF, THEY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE, AND IF YOU SAY THIS TO ANY ARAB, THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE YAHOODEE. But you being a slave dont understand this.... and you want to identify with egypt so badly.. THE YAHOODEE PEOPLE WERE FROM THE WEST COASTS OF AFRICA ORIGINALLY AND THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE CURSED BY THEIR GOD.....AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE TORAH TEACHES WOULD HAPPEN TO US READ PSALMS 83..... HOW THE NATIONS WERE AGAINST US.
HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS 1 year ago
@HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS See that's what Iam talking about, now let me ask you since you got ahead of the subject i was abot to ask you....Is the TORA the same teaching as the CATHOLIC BIBLE? I mean the old testament since some of the JEWISH people dont believe in the CRIST as the New Testament, just a QUESTION so I can have it on writing,.... please......
NYDEMOLITIONFANS 1 year ago
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS No teh catholic bible contains more than torah, it contains apochryphal books as well as that hellish new testament and its fake jesus..
I got a series on my channel check it out brother.
HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS 1 year ago
@HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS ok when it comes to the BIBLE i can give you that one, SO you believe ABRAHAM, JACOB, DAVID,and SOLOMON rite?
NYDEMOLITIONFANS 1 year ago
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS
No I know they existed, there is historical proof and data.
I dont believe anything they are simply my ancestors....... and if you are a negroe here in america then they are yours as well.
HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS 1 year ago
@HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS, ok i was asking about them your (ancsestors) beacause in the catholic Bible speaks about them as well, also speaks about the Psalms your book spaeks about just trying to make sence since you said the Bible is FAKE, another question: are you a (J) HEWISH the ones that prays in the SYNAGOGUE? or you are a HEBREW ISRAELITE the ones that teach on the streets?
NYDEMOLITIONFANS 1 year ago
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS
I never stated the bible was fake, the new testament is fake, not the old testament.....
I am neither, I am what you call a BLACK NEGROE, AND I dont teach on the streets, thats new testament garbage, we were never commissioned to do that. I dont believe in JESUS AT ALL, AND I DONT TEACH OUT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT!!! I teach out of the torah/tanakh..... OLD TESTAMENT
I TEACH AND LIVE LIKE MY ANCESTORS THAT LOVED THE CREATOR... CHECK OUT MY VIDEOS BROTHER.
SHALOM.
HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS 1 year ago
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS I never consider my self as a COLOR (negro) am a Nubian Latino from Central America even though I was once indoctrinated in the catholic believe, I started to learn Afro Centric Studies and to be honest started to make more sence of the things I aready Know, now Iam mentaly conscious to know that religion always gona put us at war, now the same way you dont believe in the so call Jesus, you got people also not believing in Mouses who parted the sea with a so call staff
NYDEMOLITIONFANS 1 year ago
@HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS thats another thing, i dont believe on no burning bush speaking to no man about go and liberate his people, now what kind a God is That? shouldnt everyone be his people, to me is just another way to make people the ignorant believe YAOODA is always goint to be Gods people so yall can remain in POWER. point blank yall did then and you all still doing it now, yall know the legal system, how to suck the monetary system, secction 8, the SSI, since you like to laugh a lot..HELLO!
NYDEMOLITIONFANS 1 year ago
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS
Brother I am a black man, I am not a jew, I am a hebrew israelite. Regarding the burning bush, if you choose not to believe that I have no problem with that....''YHWH'S CHOSEN PEOPLE ARE US NEGROES, THE HEATHENS CALL US YAHOODEE, BECAUSE THEY KNOW WE AMERICAN BLACKS COME FROM THE SOUTHERN KINGDOM OF YAHUDAH.
The caucasian jews are stealing our identity but more and more is coming out each day regarding who the children of ISRAEL REALLY ARE.
HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS 1 year ago
@qhefner123 well do a little research my friend on the habiru people and around what time this happened.... I have proof that the exodus happened, ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT THE DREAM STELA AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU NOTICED.... Simply PUT, many afrocentrist scholars (dr ben) etc were looking during the wrong time frame...
and regarding monotheistic, are you referring to SHUMERIA BEING MONOTHEISITIC? iF YOU ARE THEN KNOW I NEVER CLAIMED THEY WAS, BUT THE HEBREWS WERE PRIOR TO AHKENATONS 18TH DYNASTY.
HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS 1 year ago
Why would Ray Hagins worry about these ignorant niggas? Truth is Truth
EandA23 1 year ago
@qhefner123 AND DEALING WITH SHUMERIA, MOST DONT KNOW ABOUT SHUMERIA AT ALL. WHEN ITS EASY TO SEE THAT THE GOD "SIN" ARRIVED IN KHEMET VIA SHUMERIA IN WHICH IT ORIGINATED...
SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN, MOST PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT SHUMERIA WAS ALL ABOUT.... AND HOW THEY CONTRIBUTED TO WHAT NOW IS SOLELY ATTRIBUTED TO KHEMET FOR SOME REASON.
HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS 1 year ago
@qhefner123
AHKENATON STARTED MONOTHEISM IN THE 18TH DYNASTY, THE HEBREWS WERE INTO MONOTHEISM PRIOR TO AHKENATON..... 1400 B.C.E.!!!
SO IT DIDNT START IN EGYPT...
FIRST RESEARCH THE HABIRU PEOPLE AND LET ME KNOW WHO YOU THINK THESE PEOPLE ARE... SECOND, GIVE ME THE DATE OF THESE PEOPLE AND YOU WILL SEE THEY PREDATE AHKENATON EASILY.... THIS IS AROUND THE 12TH, 13 DYNASTY EASILY WAY BEFORE AHKNENATON AND HIS CONVERSION TO MONOTHEISM.
HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS 1 year ago
@qhefner123
EGYPT WASNT THE BEGINNING WHERE DO YOU THINK THEY GOT IT FROM? IT WAS THE PLACE WHERE OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME MUCH KNOWLEDGE WAS ACCRUED.WERE THEY NOT LISTED AS COLONISTS SENT FROM ETHIOPIA? AND EVEN IF YOU STILL DONT UNDERSTAND, "SHUMERIA" TRUMPS ALL THAT TALK. FERTILE CRESCENT, ITS JUST THAT MOST NEGROES DONT KNOW ABOUT SHUMERIA CALLED SUMERIA.
HEBREWSOFTHEHEBREWS 1 year ago
@qhefner123 You with all this black power nonsense yall keep doing that crap that played out with Angela Davis and our people aint moving no where because of minds like yours. If Egypt is so this and that why aren't you living an Egyptian life? Look how you use profanity, why? Is that Ma'at? I mean do Ma'at teach you that? lol please don't even write me anymore just like Ray Haggins was bust down by Dr Wes you would of too!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@qhefner123 Islam didn't start with Muhammad Islam was lived before that man was even born! His daddy name was Abdullah do you know what that means? SERVENT OF ALLAH so if his daddy name was that and it had the word Allah in it don't that tell you Islam was lived before Muhammad was born? Go do your research young one!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@qhefner123 LOL ok, AGAIN I DON'T FOLLOW RELIGION! Again Islam outdates Christianity I gave you the names go look them up on the net, Himyarites and Lihyan people. there are temples in Yemen that are thousands of years old with the inscription of Allah on it. Have you ever been there? Do you even remotely have the knowledge of Islam? You know nothing of islam because if you did you would know it's very very old!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@qhefner123 Cont.....
Then JESUS from the Latin HeZeus[prononced], so the transliterator of that specific Quran put the word Jesus there because English speaking is use to the word, that's why it's there. Again Get a Quran and you will see it's in Arabic the original tongue not English!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@qhefner123 Have you even read a Qur'an? I swear yall are just so smart you are stupid! First of all the Qur'an consist on one side Arabiah, the other side English, now the typical English speaking person DON'T SPEAK ARABIC! duh!!! In the arabic his name is "ISA IBN MARYUM" means "JESUS SON OF MARY " in English, thats what we as Muslims learn how to read Arabic. The word JESUS comes from Greek IESOUS. Cont.....
rahim4411 1 year ago
@qhefner123 The Kemet way of life was made up of men also, so what you saying? Asar, Aset and Heru were MYTHS! There were not real people, all those myths Kemet told and you got the nerve to talk about Myths? How come Kemet fell if they are so much the truth? Why did Muhammad pbuh in the Qur'an say Islam will prevail over all other faiths and it's happening today?
rahim4411 1 year ago
@qhefner123 lol first of all, I am not a 5% and you have no idea what the hell you are talking about . 5% preach that All Leg Leg Arm Head crap first of all learn the difference between them and us. They don't claim to be mulsims do you know that? Listen go get the right knowledge before you approach me ok, it's a waste of time! Gomez dunbar is a STORY OF THE 5%ERS NOT MUSLIMS !!!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@qhefner123 Qhefner you don't have no idea what you are talking about. Islam never came from Kemet because Kemet wasn't even on the map at one point and time. Second Islam is did not just come 200 years ago lol where do you get your info? the Lihyan and Himyarites lived Islamic lives and left momument predating your so called speculation. Kemet came out of some where do you know where that is? Herodotus was told by the Egyptians where they came from.
rahim4411 1 year ago
if islam is a way of life than why do they have to threatin people with death if they leave? and why do they have koranic schools? shouldnt people know all the rules just by growing up in a islamic family?
meshashelly 1 year ago
@meshashelly I think you read to many caucasian news on the internet and on TV, there are people that have left islam and have not been threatened. First of all there is no such word as koran, it's Qur'an. Second of all there is no such thing as a Quranic school, there are Islam universities where you don't only study Quran but math, science, geography, animal life etc. Plus not everone grows up muslim people convert.
rahim4411 1 year ago
@meshashelly So if people convert they have to learn right? maybe you need to think before you write sarcastically to me. That's like asking why you went to school. smh. The Qur'an is not all about rules either have you ever read a Qur'an? See that's why you are so ignorant and asking illogical questions. Have some common sense.
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 dont get mad, i was just lettin u know islam is a religion just like the rest. cuz if it was a way of life there would be no need for the koran. every muslam has to read the koran, if it was a way of life u would just live that lifestyle without even lookin at a koran. even the people who was born into islam have to read the koran
meshashelly 1 year ago
@meshashelly Your concept of religion and way of life is warped! Again it's NOT A RELIGION! It's called "DIN AL ISLAM" "WAY OF LIFE SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF ALLAH". So if you don't read Arabic and understand you will keep making speculatory remarks and don't have a clue. I am not mad I am correcting you because I know Islam better than you do I live it you don't! I have 20 years under my belt you don't!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@meshashelly HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THERE IS NO SUCH WORD IN ISLAM AS KORAN? The Book we read is Qur'an, you are looking very ignorant now, like Caucasian people when they don't understand something they do stupid things, you are definitely Americanized to the core!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@meshashelly When you go to school you have to read books right? What school you know where they don't have books? Stop mixing up because we Read the Quran that it's not a way of life still. Way of life means we live the 5 pillars of Islam, we don't get drunk Sat to Thursday on Fri go to the Masjid then get drunk again, no we stay righteous until we die and we live according to our teachings.
rahim4411 1 year ago
@meshashelly If you think you can read the Quran once and understand everything in it, then you must be one educated person, but I know you don't. I have been reading the Quran for 20 years straight and still find new meaning in the verses because it's just that deep, that's not some Donald Goin book you read once and leave. Every society has rules what are you talking about?
rahim4411 1 year ago
@meshashelly Even in Kemet they had to read but they lived a way of life. they read on papyrus and put their writings in hieroglyphic format and they read all the time. IT'S CALLED BEING EDUCATED AND REMINDING YOURSELF! I want to see you go to school read the book once and then don't have to every read that book again, like a math book. You are a piece of work
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 dude islam is a religion, if u dont do those things u named u will not make it to heaven. a way of life is something u live naturally without fear of consequence, u dont need a book to remind u because its all around u. u learn it natuarally just by growing up around it, like african spirituality u dont read books about it u just live it. and why u keep talking about going to school? going to school is not a way of life, its something we all do because we have to.
meshashelly 1 year ago
@rahim4411 oh yeah, islam means submission to 1 god
meshashelly 1 year ago
@qhefner123 LOL check this out. Prove to me Islam is fake! So you're saying Kemetian beliefs are not man made? Who made them then? LOL
Nah I am not a god. Turn that word around and you get "dog" . It amazes me you cats sit up here using Caucasians terms when in Kemet there is no such word for GOD! Just go get the answers I asked you. Thank youl.
rahim4411 1 year ago
I have never ever met Dr. Ray Haggins but I will tell you this. I have watched a bunch of his videos. He is only saying let empower ourselves (black People). And add UNIITY to our struggle (BLACK PEOPLE UNITY). We need each other and thats ALL I GOT FROM HIM. A MESSAGE MIXED WITH FACTS AND TRUTH WHICH ARE ONE IN THE SAME. NO I DON'T ATTEND HIS CHURCH BUT I GET IT. CUZ IM NOT A FOLLOWER. WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AS ONE SO THAT WE HAVE A STRONGER VOICE AS A PEOPLE. NOT MUSLIMS CHRISTIANS ETC ONE
dunrod79 1 year ago
Ok,ok,ok. WTF HAS HAPPENED TO ALL OF SAA'S SHIT???? DOES ANYBODY KNOW IF JEWTUBE SHUT ALL HIS SHIT DOWN???
herbaljunky 1 year ago
We don't need interpretations we have eyes and ears. All I see is bullshit. Debates have a format which this fiasco LACKS!
LER77 1 year ago
Peace ppl, I haven't been following these guys very long, I'm starting now to learn more reading about our history as Black ppl and our religions. From what I can see as far as youtube goes, Ray Haggins has videos with power point presentations debunking the belief in Jesus and weather he existed. Him saying he doesn't do this (proving popular belief wrong, or trying to that is) is a bold faced lie. Guess its easy to do that when no one's challenging your argument with strong evidence
Mizzac 1 year ago
1. there should not even have been a debate on is islam an afrikan religion..1st ALL religions that the masses are involved in is a goddamn perverted version of afrikan SPIRITUALITY...there was NEVER a religion in afrika....ONLY A WAY OF LIFE...yall people disgust me...fuck islam, fuck judaism, and fuck christianity....ALL OF THOSE PHILOSOPHIES KEEP MY NATION ENSLAVED AND IGNORANT...thank the GODDESSS that my SUNS are nothing like you IDIOTS..true KING/GODS indeed...
Amunet369 1 year ago
@Amunet369 Hotep! That's the first thing you should of said to me. Second, Islam the phrase "DIN AL ISLAM" means "WAY OF LIFE SUBMISSION TO ALLAH". So if you talk about a way of life Islam provides that. Do Ma'at Teach you to use profanity the way you do? First of all, Kemet enslaved the Levetines, and Nubians and took natural resorces from their own African people and you call that ok? Why aren't you talking about that? Where is Kemet and the Pharoahs today?
rahim4411 1 year ago
@Amunet369 Islam definitely don't keep people ignorant. Do you stand and urinate? Yes or no! when you give me an answer Ima show you just how keen islam is on that matter alone, so just give me a yes or no answer and I am going to show you something that will make you think . Hotep bro!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 Hotep and much luv...1st AMUNET is a GODDESS wife of AMUN, so if i did stand and urinate, i would be pissing all over myself lol...nonetheless, any religious or nonreligious being can piss or shit so i dont see the connection there...2nd you can not be simultaneously religious and spiritual, submission to a "god" requires just that: submission and no room for anything else..3rd spirituality and religion is not the same, spirituality comes from within and relates to the natural cosmos
Amunet369 1 year ago
@rahim4411 continued...religion is a political tool for the ignorant masses to pretty much keep people in check...sheeeeiiit, if i vibrated on a low frequency i would be super rich using religion alone as a hustle...4th the kemetu needed not any slaves, there is no translation for the sound (word) slave in kemetu language...5th nubians and kemetus intermarried... some wives of pharoahs were nubian....6th the kemetu paid for their resources as far as east asia and they paid ppl for their
Amunet369 1 year ago
@rahim4411 continued....services, they were a proud folk you should know...7th kemet is still alive today, just waiting on their children to WAKE UP...it is however, being desecrated by the same ppl who brought to the masses RELIGION to SUBJUGATE...and while everyone is okay with submission to their "god" they let the "devil" destroy the very things that sustains life...i do not call that okay and i have long come to innerstand that other ppls gods is my devil....
Amunet369 1 year ago
@Amunet369 Let me ask you since you said all that. How in the world did powerful kemet fall if it was all that? Please lay it out for me. I don't see non of your wearing Kemetain garb I see the muslims where theirs, some chrisitians where theirs, Hebrew Israelites where theirs I don't see yall wearing crowns and one loc on your children's head. Hell yall don't know all the mysteres of Kemet and never will. Who is the one that deciphered the Hiero?
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 My kmtu garb is my colors, my jewelry is symbolic, my crown is my natural afro and/or braids, my youngest sun been growing his locs since the age of three...
Amunet369 1 year ago
@rahim4411 i am educating my SUNS to RULE, not to be a subjugated yes suh no suh massa suh....they should be taught HOW and allowed to think, not TOLD what to think...religion does not afford you that...you must think what you are told just like a programed robot or a zombie...and you really think that is cool? I will tell you whats NOT COOL: explaining to my SUNS that they cant have certain freedoms because they are a part of a subjugated nation....
Amunet369 1 year ago
@Amunet369 what in the heck are you talking about?
rahim4411 1 year ago
@Amunet369 All this crap about thinking for yourself is just a defensive machanism of one's own self worth. I think for myself everyday. The Qur'an don't tell me how to tie my shoes, or scramble eggs, or how to water my garden, come on man, this is nuts! I would like to see you run a red light and a cop car see you then you tell me what you thought for yourself!
rahim4411 1 year ago
The components of a debate:
* The venue
* The Motion
* Team members (optional depending on type of debate)
* Speaking time
* Timekeeper
* Interjection
* Adjudication
* Audience
This so called debate was unprofessional aka it was bull shit. All this yelling. Comments like " We didn't come here to here about no unity". Next time do the paper work. Hire some professionals to run the debate. Please be sure they are neutral.
LER77 1 year ago
@LER77 LOL oh wow you hit it on the head. First of all it was promoted as a DIALOGUE because Dr. Ray isn't that type, but why then at the event Dr. Wes came blazing! It was a debate they tried to dress it up as a dialogue, on Saaneter's part. A dialogue would of been putting a round table on stage and they sit and discuss the matter, it was set up like a debate and you spoke the truth. I was there I seen it.
rahim4411 1 year ago
Not one African nation could really stand an enemy when they were Islam or Christians, unless they joined with someone else. While during the time of Kemet for thousands of years we could withstand the enemy. Haiti could withstand the enemy for several decennia as long as they were using the African spirituality the correct way and also several other black communities in the Caribbean and Suriname and Guyana and Brazil etc
khufu65 1 year ago
@khufu65
u have a point. that is true. shaka defeated the british before christianity hit sa.
lafemmenaturalle 1 year ago
@lafemmenaturalle Hold up if Haggins didn't want to debate which Saaneter on his other post said it was a dialogue he shouldn't have shown up. Saaneter practice Kemet also so it was Kemetians against Kemetains, don't put that on Islam, Christianity or Hebrew Israelites. Saaneter himself said the man said Dr Wes was wrong in talking about Islam is from Africa. Take that up with Saaneter!
rahim4411 1 year ago
Since this debating is about who won and who lost it is not uplifting our worldwide community. Rather causing confusion and frustration and distraction. Purposely or unintentionally we are giving the enemy the opportunity to again divide us or to keep us from what it is really about.
khufu65 1 year ago
What strikes me is that lot of so called conscious brothers in America like to entertain. If I’m not wrong the black consciousness is not about entertaining and debating, I also haven’t seen brothers like Bobby Hemmit and Phil Valentine available for this debating joke, also I never saw elders like dr Clarke Dr Ben or Dr Ivan van Sertima
khufu65 1 year ago
@khufu65 Phil V was asked by Ali and Dr Wes to debate on things he said and he didn't show up, so...... there's your answer about him. Those guys just sit in their on club house and give views they don't wanna debate so there you have it.
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 (Part a)I’m not into discussing these things, since I consider these different fractions as different levels of awareness (considering the honesty of everyone involved). But this debating is not necessary .If we want to know which fraction is closer to the truth we must do our own research.
khufu65 1 year ago
@rahim4411 (Part b)These brothers can only give us some guidelines, but we eventually got to do our own homework or else it becomes like the old way waiting for some to tell us what to do or to believe. The same old bad habit: waiting for a savior.
khufu65 1 year ago
@rahim4411 Peace be upon you,my african(Alkebulan)brother
khufu65 1 year ago
part2 Take for example in this context Haiti, when they were more spiritual then religious they were able to defeat the enemy. The enemy is not afraid for your is Islam or your christianity,he is afraid for your African spirituality, which he is not able to control. He don’t care of you want Jesus black or Mohammed black
khufu65 1 year ago
@khufu65 The enemy is scared of Islam that's why the war is going on. Do you read the news?
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 (a)On this subject of war you must do some more in-depth research, you’ll find out that this war is neither for the benefit of Islam nor for Africans. This war is to depict Islam as something evil and to gain power trough divide and conquer and the masters behind this are nobody else than the so-called jew.
khufu65 1 year ago
@rahim4411 . (b)And one more time brother Islam is not our weapon, our weapon is our AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY. Take time to study some real African history. Take time to study your brethrens in the Caribbean. And you’ll get a clue why the African spirituality is the only way for black liberation. One more time: Kemet was able to defeat the enemy with a combination of spirituality and militarism.
khufu65 1 year ago
@rahim4411(c)Haiti was able to defeat France (the mightiest army that time), to defeat Spain and England with nothing else then the African Spirituality. They even had the ability and the strength to export their revolution to South America. In the Caribbean different communities had the power to withstand and defeat the Europeans by calling on their ancient gods. Islam indeed one time conquered his way through the world, but was this done by the Africans.
khufu65 1 year ago
@rahim4411 (d)No it was a confederation between Africans (Moors),the Africans from the Arabian peninsula(Arabs) and the so-called “ white arabs”. But as you noticed, when time came they betray us, the Islam was not able to help us.
khufu65 1 year ago
@khufu65 buffoonery at its best! lol!
Amunet369 1 year ago
@Amunet369 What do you mean?
khufu65 1 year ago
@Amunet369 all this arguing back and forth about religion and as a nation we are a subjugated ppl with NO RESPECT ANYWHERE ON THIS EARTH...hence the term "buffoonery"...
Amunet369 1 year ago
@Amunet369 haggins already said he didnt want to debate but they kinda pressured him
lafemmenaturalle 1 year ago
@lafemmenaturalle dr haggins said that it was not supposed to be a debate but more like a discussion...however, when he got there, he saw it was more of a minstral/sambo show...i would not have participated in it either...i dont blame him for leaving...
Amunet369 1 year ago
@Amunet369a)Yes you’re right. Even if the mythical jesus was black and mohammed was black, that only does not justify these religions. It is not white people or white arabs brought our downfall. We did that by our self when we left the real Alkebulan way of life thousands of years ago. In fact what we are doing now is to awaken to a way of life we’ve been living thousands if not hundreds of thousand years ago.
khufu65 1 year ago
@Amunet369 b)Not an easy task hence the different fraction, but I believe that in time we will agree to one common (real) ground(true ancient way of life).Individuals has kept on living this way. In the case of Haiti and some communities in the Caribbean and southamerica (when we fought against slavery) only a small fraction of that live was used. Imagine what will happen when we use the whole spectrum.
khufu65 1 year ago
@Amunet369 Islam is not a religion, for yall to be against the Caucasian man so much you use his same words to convo with. Islam is an acient way of life, way before Muhammad pbuh was born, do you know that? You think Islam started with Muhammad? do you even know the definition of Islam?
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 (e)We also made our spirituality known and available to the enemy (notice the many so-called secret organization for example Rosicrucian’s etc,etc especially in Europe) while we relying on Islam and our so-called brothers in the faith, and the same time neglecting our own spirituality. I don’t have to tell you what the consequences were/are of again ignoring our AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY
khufu65 1 year ago
I think we all are missing the point here of the consciousness. I thought the aim of the black consciousness was to lead us back to our African spirituality. The enemy is again succeeding to keep us from to real thing.
khufu65 1 year ago
Always Remeber: Religion's Purpose is to keep the once Civil-Uncivilized. Hotep
tutnoses 1 year ago
Now here's the shocker- My last month visit to Istanbul,Turkey to see Prophet Muhammad Hair in a match box. From The looks of it -those Grey & Blonde hairs was not of African Origin but Causian,Arab or Mongolian. A wasted trip but worth the laughs,besides they never had DNA testing done on those hairs age or origin. There's a old saying: (If you Got to make up Myth leave very little or no Evidence) because Niggas love Magic.
tutnoses 1 year ago
Funny: Neither men visited Istanbul,Turkey nor Saudi Arabia. In fact your Wesley Muhammad never visit Kemet or any other place in Africa. If anyone wanted the answer to the 'Islamic African theme' i would have told them Islam not a Ancient-but a present day African Religion.
tutnoses 1 year ago
@tutnoses Man Islam is ancient and if you believe some cats told you Muhammad's hair strans was in a match box and they were grey and blonde I have to wonder about you, and thank you for the laugh. LOL all I can say is THEY GOTCHA! LOL SMH
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 Sorry. it's not Ancient at all. Americans make me laugh when they read or believe what they heard from a book. But here's my Question to you or any other man of a Mythical Faith. (What was Islam before it's Name?) It's a A.D Religion from a B.C Ritual nor is it older than Christianity. Hint: Most Arabs at that time worship the Moon and Genie tales. But no disrespet of your faith because the majority need magical & mythical beings in your lives.
tutnoses 1 year ago
@tutnoses Let me answer that for you! IT WAS CALLED ISLAM!
Now you got the nerve to talk about myths? Kemet told the biggest myths of them all! A man getting cut up into 15 pieces and Auset only finds 14 and then ressurects him? As a matter of Fact Ausar, Auset and Heru wasn't even real! They are a myths also.
rahim4411 1 year ago
@tutnoses Here's a mthy of Ausar:
" the coffin of Ausar (Osiris) was swept by the waves to the shoreline of a foreign land. A tree sprang up and grew around it, enclosing the body of Ausar in its trunk. The tree grew large, beautiful, and fragrant." Get the heck outta here with that. IN A TREE TRUNK? lol hahahah
rahim4411 1 year ago
@tutnoses Ausar didn't exist until the last Pharoah of the 5th dynasty that's where he shows up! If you can prove he existed even as a fable before that, I wanna see the proof! The Egyptians were the biggest myth tellers of all time!
rahim4411 1 year ago
Ray Haggin proved he's a bigger man..on a bigger level...STOP the cheer leading...the trickery or set up you Muhammad love'n/ Chocolate Arabs tried to pull on Dr. Ray Haggin was bogus....
DEZZLELUV 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV Proved he is the Bigger man? No what happen is he got exposed! He came to a debate with NO INFO! Then he got exposed being with an organization of Police who is trying to bring our sista Asata back to the US and you're talking trash? Saaneter called him out and exposed him too, it's about truth I was there were you? He tried to make Saaneter out to be the bad guy. he even said Dr. Wesley was wrong but yet had no info! You are kidding me!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV Ray wanted to challenge Dr. Wes on "IS ISLAM AN AFRICAN RELIGIOIN" he knew what was going on. One minute he says Muhammad exist then the next the don't. he was exposed by Dr. Wes when Dr. Wes showed the film of him talking about Muhammad as if he existed. Ray Haggins is the one pulling the fast one chief !
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 Dr Ray wanted to challenge Dr Wes? Don't insult our intellect. They paid him to come to their venue where they had studied Dr Ray's videos. I heard in one of the videos they said it was a VERBAL AGREEMENT. When you said that you lost me. Put the shit in writing.
LER77 1 year ago
@LER77 Are you kidding me? Yes he told Saaneter He would like to challenge Dr Wes on if Islam is an African Religion, and he even said Dr Wes was wrong for saying that, ask Saaneter! I was there, were you? I worked in a law firm, a verbal agreement is just as good as a signed contract, and it's valid as long as you have said witness!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 Not If said witness is in your clique. Get it in writing. Common sense when money is involved and there are always these disagreements historically.
LER77 1 year ago
@LER77 I agree with using a written agree is best. but verbal agreements are good too with witnesses, even from a person's clique because when they testify they have to swear on the court. Plus they have to be credible, I have seen it over and over, I told ya I use to work for a law firm. Heresay is inadmissable in court, witnesses isn't.
rahim4411 1 year ago
@LER77 They paid him so what, what's your point? Saaneter was mad also! Ray Haggins preach Kemet now, and he didn't say anything, got busted because he claimed Muhammad pbuh didn't exist then he say in his lecture as though Muhammad existed! That is crazy! Dr. Wes showed his hyprocracy! Not only did he lose the discussion but HE HAD NO INFO ON NOTHING! I mean how do you come all the way from the state he lives to NY without any info.
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 I'd like to see these debates in a neutral setting. With a mediator of some type. When it comes to these debates on religion. I find them divisive and sometimes informative if we can get pass the arguing. El Hajj Malik el Shabazz said it best. Religion is your personal relationship with the creator. Our best hope is Nationality. Thats the future.
LER77 1 year ago