@Zorgonia Disliking something doesn't make you a troll. How does anonymously disliking something translate to being a troll? Your comment is more accurately described as being 'trollish' because you are insulting people who have merely disagreed with you.
@Slipknot808 "How does anonymously disliking something translate to being a troll?" When something is explained beautifully, with reason, experiments and critical thinking. If one dislikes it, either that person is dumb (ie= troll) or prefers some delusion that conflicts with reality (again= troll).
"you are insulting people who have merely disagreed with you." They're not disagreeing with me, they're not accepting reality, therefore they insult human intellect, reasoning n logic.
@Zorgonia - Here are your errors in logic: you assume they dislike it because either they are intellectually incapable of understanding the video or they are intellectually capable but unwilling to accept the presenter's conclusion. But there is a third option - they just didn't enjoy the presentation. People often seem to not understand this most simple of options.
They dislike the video>therefor they're stupid>therefor they're a troll?
@Zorgonia First, you're using "troll" incorrectly. Troll refers to a person who enjoys annoying people.
Second, they could completely accept, but still dislike, this video. Perhaps they felt that he wasn't explaining the illusions very well. What if they think that it's a waste to worry about optical illusions when there's a WAR going on somewhere?
I agree that this video was great. But! There's a big leap from "this is correct" to "I like this", and the same from "dislike" to "don't get"
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But we have to pay you to see the schematics, huh? So, you're withholding vital technology from people in order to make money. How are you different from the evil oil executives, then?
Three options:
a) You're full of shit, selling something that won't work to make a quick buck
b) You're just another vile, money grubbing, wanna-be oil exec
This kinda does away with the meaning of Christianity and other religions. It exposes them as stupid, pathetic and dangerous delusions which some people have been conditioned to believe.
@n3mesi5 the music was highly embellished. the were parts that i'm sure should have been silent parts, and it all sounded too smooth around obvious rough edges of the painting.
The final one I didn't see the illusion, the colors looked a tad different, though they looked the same color, I felt like there was something different about the 2 sets of middle circles , and didn't see it till after. Why might that be?
@spartacandream Sometimes the truth is more useful to survival than an illusion. So people who can see the truth and through the illusion would (theoretically) be better-adapted.
@onijester56 Nowadays we need to see the truth, the reality as it is. Though our eyes evolved seeing the way it is useful, thereby seeing illusions whenever the brain can't interpret something correctly.
@SuperiorApostate Well, if you did it as an analogy, you could program a computer to take the frequency and amplitude of a lightwave and convert it into harmonic sound waves. If you could find a techy it'd be really easy. But, if you don't have anyone handy, I guess you're out of luck.
very interesting. Also colors look different under flourescent light and daylight! But yes the word has a lot of power and we tend to bellieve especially a lecturer right away. In India cosmetic companies make believe that white skin is better. The same companies brainwah people in the U.S. that brown is better. So the issue of whether a brown skin or white skin is more desirable is all programmed into us!
@Sinjinator Still looking for the "truth"? The speaker made a great point: "NO ONE IS AN OUTSIDE OBSERVER OF NATURE. EACH OF US IS DEFINED BY OUR ECOLOGY."
I am not sure if there is any place for THE "truth" in a reality perceived with our brain.
@CathySander Subjective and relative does not mean unpredictable and inconsistent. Reality is also not totally subjective, there is an "out there", eventhough sudoscience has permeated the false idea that "its all in the mind".
Science is a PROCESS for understanding a reality that is relative, objective, subjective and so on. The nature of reality does not make it impossible for scientific process to probe reality and discover the mysteries of our local and distant universe.
@TheJaredtube Bla bla bla... yawn you lost me after the first line with your pseudo-intellectual babble (BTW you spelled PSEUDO wrong). Well you didn't lose me as such, basically all you're saying is that we try to investigate nature as scientifically as humanly possible. There, I did it it one line, and in simple English.
But you see, the scientific method demands objectivity and reproducibility. Is there any person that is absolutely objective?
@AchievementSpanker `No no no absolutely not. We can definitely trust our senses to live and survive, that's the point. He just saying that our brain through evolution gives us a certain perception and that we can change the way we look at things to understand more about science. As far as everything being an illusion, that implies that you are talking only about one sense of sight and perception of these visual images in the brain which I suppose I believe is not true or how could we read.
@AchievementSpanker i think the answer to your question lies in his statement, we don't see the world as it is but as it is useful to us. Many things are illusory to us and many are correct, but only if correct coincides with useful. Like all of those hubble pictures...many of them are not what we would see naturally but instead done in false color to show what we can't see. All that stuff is really there, but we don't see it and we certainly don't see it like that, because it won't help us eat.
At an airport, I sometimes like to trick myself at the baggage claim by staring intently at the belt the luggage rolls by on. When I do it long enough, I trick my body into thinking the luggage is staying still and I'M the one that's moving.
Quite interesting, but i missed what his point really was. That we do not observe the world as it is but rather as we've been trained to do? A weak point.
Great post, really gets you thinking about "reality".
I've often wondered if different people have a different experience of colour. For example what I experience as red some one else may experience what I would call blue but since we label the same thing as red we both agree it's red (ie: we agree on "reality" even though our experiences of it may be totally different). Unfortunately I don't think the idea is testable.
@will0ughby yea, I'll just go and fucking stab some ones eye out WITH A BRICK and stick it on my forhead dedicated to watching my other 2 eyes, u never know a
@Denamic Those mirror manufacturers are evil I tell you, EVIL. They're part of a secret society... have you ever noticed how everything appears backwards in a mirror? It's evil
This was awesome and very interesting but my question is. When is comes to making sounds with colors. Who assigns each color a sound? Take what the child's art sounded like for example. If they would have assigned it different notes then it would have sounded nothing like that. So my question is. Who assigns each color a note and why was each color given that particular note? Or am I missing it by a mile here? Someone please explain.
@DigitizedSelf: Really? I saw them as startlingly different. My brain is basically telling me: "Look, see that yellow haze, that's discolouring the squares which must really be purple!" Except that my brain does this instantaneously.
@Eagle0600 Yeah, I know that that's what I'm supposed to see but I didn't - think it might be because my brain is expecting the illusion and correcting for it (if such a thing is even possible).
@DigitizedSelf: But it's not an illusion. You have two different lights covered by a third light that makes them look the same. Being the same is the 'illusion', though it isn't an optical one. The fact that the brain corrects for this and makes them appear different is one of the fundamental properties of perception, and something we wish we could get robots to do.
@Eagle0600 I'd say that since it tricks the mind into perceiving the colours different than they are, it is per definition an illusion. ...and this no matter if its advantageous or not.
Very true. However, I wasn't referring to the truth of the statement. I really just liked how he worded it. I grew up in a culture with individuals who tend to believe that what the see is in fact reality.
Yea, another argument I hate for them to use is "Well how do you explain the fact that the earth is the perfect distance from the sun to sustain life". It's not hard a concept to understand that if there is a planet capable of sustaining life, then it's going to sustain life. If it wasn't the perfect distance from the sun then we wouldn't be here... it's such a stupid argument. Of course it's going to be the perfect distance.
@boomkablamo There is no perfect distance that can support life. There is a range of distances between two values that can support /our/ life. There's a difference. Most ranges can support any form of life.
lol. Most ranges can support any form of life? I don't know if I'm misunderstanding you, but the only life ever recorded to exist exists within a very small range of distance from the sun. So we can really make no assumptions about life on other planets other than they would be most likely to exist on a planet with similar sunlight and climate.
Yes, but that really doesn't even matter. The only thing that us being here proves is that we're here, nothing else. Just because we are here does not prove a God.
@boomkablamo the best way to explain that is to realize that we have conformed to our environment. we thrive at this distance from the sun not because the sun happened to be in the right place, but because we evolved to take advantage of where the sun happens to be. a simpler example is oxygen. oxygen is not necessary for organic life, it's necessary for human life. oxygen was once a poison, spewed out by terrible creatures called plants. life then evolved to use this poison for it's own good
@boomkablamo Isn't it called the habitable zone or was it called the goldilock zone, where liquid water can exist on the surface. Never mind, I'ma just research it.
@boomkablamo An excellent argument. Very well said. Not to mention that we're just one planet in the right place in relation to just one sun. That's one solar system in the Milky Way Galaxy. Galaxies often contain multiple solar systems. There are BILLIONS of other galaxies in the OBSERVABLE universe - let alone what we can't even observe. Lot's of chances for the right conditions to come about.
It's not really all that "perfect" either. We could be drastically further away from the sun and still sustain life, although we couldn't be a whole lot closer. Certainly far from the definition of perfect. People getting the cause/effect relationship completely backwards is really annoying though.
@boomkablamo We perceive it as the perfect distance and yet, life is till at a knife edge with huge massive populations being wiped out forever. We are not out of the woods and are still subject to the a meteorite or gamma burst wiping all known life out on Earth again. Is that perfect? Far from perfect.
You're using anthropic principle to explain the concept of a "fine-tuned universe" and I'm afraid the phrasing is crucial and it will confuse creationists even more and make them think you're stupid so I prefer to avoid it. I think an easier way to go about it is to say that in a while, Earth is going to be in a horrible position to sustain life and Mars is going to be better... and then even later, they're all going to be in a horrible position.
@kohehd Also the habitable zone is enormousness... the earth isnt waking a tin line..... theres evidence that mars once had liquid water..... the reason it doesnt anymore you can research.
@boomkablamo perfect? what does that mean? The earth isn't in an perfect distance to the sun. The habitable zone is several milijon kilometers wide, wich means that life could thrive better if it the planet were closer. Also life (corbon life forms) could be sustained outside this zone. It's broadly speculated by xenobiologist that life could exist on Jupiters moon Europa. And in other solar systems there could be life formed of other substances that could survive in the area like Venus.
correction not circle but diamond frame, in the middle pumping diamond, kept under contol by two paralell boarder lines on both sides inside of the big diamond frame. I don't know if this makes sense!
I don't doubt that this is correct ,I only question, from the beginning it spins opposite from how you say it would, and then after, despite blinking or looking away, it dosn't spin at all, but pulsades or pumps from the middle as diamond surrounded by a circle, maybe I have some visual imparement, what is this called?
hmm, you may be missing the point, i think the point is that your eyes can't actually tell which way it's spinning, your brain uses intuition to figure it out. the point could also be that we didn't evolve to be able to tell which way something was spinning becasue it hasn't been necessary to our survival or reproduction.
@bradmanthethird It was spinning clockwise. It was obvious. It was always spinning clockwise and it only looked like it was spinning clockwise. I don't know what is wrong with people who think it was spinning counterclockwise.
it wasn't obvious to me that it was always spinning clockwise, maybe you just saw it spinning clockwise because your brain knew it should be? unless your very genetically unique from the rest of us, your eyes should not actually be able to see the direction of spin on an object going that fast from that far away, multiple experiments conclude that a giant chunk of what we think we see is really just our brain interpreting sight information and trying to make sense of it.
@bradmanthethird I had to watch it over and over to try to get it to flip. It certainly doesn't happen as often as he said it does. It might flip once during the whole time, if you try hard. Although, if you look at the string, that was always going clockwise, even when the diamond looked to be going counterclockwise. Since they have to be spinning in the same direction, it was going clockwise.
@cbernier3 You should watch a computer-made illusion of the same sort, then there is no string for you to look, and there is no hand spinning it, then it will most probably be easier to change the direction
@bradmanthethird The interesting thing is that not everyone's brain works in exactly the same way, all the time. I did actually have to force the spinning wire diamond to change direction, but what he was showing is exactly the same thing, as watching the spokes on a bicycle wheel or a car tire. The center will randomly switch between clockwise and counter clockwise. I would have told him to use my example because it is more obvious.
well maybe if we all donate because of how much we enjoy these informative videos the budget will be able to cover a dyno and an air exchanger to show the tire rim example ^^
No, no. The bicycle wheel and spokes illusion involves a completely different phenomenon. First of all, spinning at the low speed the diamond was spinning, there will never be any uncertainty as to the direction a bicycle wheel is spinning.
The wheel and spoke "illusion" happens only when there is a finite illumination frequency (like a fluorescent light) or temporal sampling (a video or film camera) is involved, and the wheel is spinning at a rate close to that frequency.
Okay, can somebody explain the bee thing to me? The bees are seeing what now? Blue? Even though it appears green? Sorry, I just didn't get it, yeah I'm dumb...can anyone explain please?
I think he meant yellow light, not green light. as you can see the yellow flowers on the bottom of the screen turn white as the green ones turn blue..
I know enough about bees to say that they don't act on just color (if they do at all, I don't know), but they communicate through a dance. They move at an angle to I think Sun, and the bees copy that angle and distance while leaving the hive. The distance is scaled or something iirc.
Good stuff. I had to watch it a couple times to make sense of what was going on at some points. If i was in the audience I woulda been a bit confused, he moved through some stuff pretty rapidly without much explanation.
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fivequotes 5 days ago
brilliant video
prchecker 1 week ago
interesting video and very informative
distractionxx 1 week ago
i enjoyed this vid
rodswebdesign 1 week ago
Good Video... Thanks for vids
Spasatcom 2 weeks ago
3:24 DING DING DING!!!!!!! WINNA.....oh wait.....he.....ugh....still got it wrong....we didnt evolve dope....problm solved (problem athiests)
acdiabloc 2 weeks ago
@acdiabloc lol he states that we didnt evolve to see it how we wanted but how it is..... so he stated we still evolved... problem religion??
mrsnipersi 2 weeks ago
Shcroedinger's Cat experiment gets destroyed!
FreeeeS 1 month ago
@FreeeeS To say that is to miss the point of Schrodinger's thought experiment.
Slipknot808 1 month ago
Up to now, 16 trolls did not like science and reason.
Zorgonia 2 months ago
@Zorgonia Disliking something doesn't make you a troll. How does anonymously disliking something translate to being a troll? Your comment is more accurately described as being 'trollish' because you are insulting people who have merely disagreed with you.
Slipknot808 1 month ago
@Slipknot808 "How does anonymously disliking something translate to being a troll?" When something is explained beautifully, with reason, experiments and critical thinking. If one dislikes it, either that person is dumb (ie= troll) or prefers some delusion that conflicts with reality (again= troll).
"you are insulting people who have merely disagreed with you." They're not disagreeing with me, they're not accepting reality, therefore they insult human intellect, reasoning n logic.
Zorgonia 1 month ago
@Zorgonia - Here are your errors in logic: you assume they dislike it because either they are intellectually incapable of understanding the video or they are intellectually capable but unwilling to accept the presenter's conclusion. But there is a third option - they just didn't enjoy the presentation. People often seem to not understand this most simple of options.
They dislike the video>therefor they're stupid>therefor they're a troll?
You shouldn't use logic, you suck at it.
Slipknot808 1 month ago
@Zorgonia First, you're using "troll" incorrectly. Troll refers to a person who enjoys annoying people.
Second, they could completely accept, but still dislike, this video. Perhaps they felt that he wasn't explaining the illusions very well. What if they think that it's a waste to worry about optical illusions when there's a WAR going on somewhere?
I agree that this video was great. But! There's a big leap from "this is correct" to "I like this", and the same from "dislike" to "don't get"
GeekProdigyGuy 1 month ago
I wonder how would the monalisa sound.
konglisheng 4 months ago
We didn't come into this world. We came out of this world.
sweetsweatyfeet 5 months ago
God made our complex eye? I call BS
ThePeacefulAtheistt 6 months ago
wait the middel 9 did look the same to me is that abnormal.
weswes666 8 months ago
I wonder what blind people would say about that
AlexEttelis 9 months ago
I would like to see the color to music experiment done the other way around. I wonder what a Bach concerto would "look" like.
andrewpuchala 10 months ago
lol.com
doktormozg 11 months ago
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sexykatie911 1 year ago
booooooooring
jsssm 1 year ago
You can get the audio-mp3 of this vid at getyourmp3s doht cohm.
ChickieMarkey95189 1 year ago
IBM made the machine that came up with the number tattooed on to German concentration camp interns.
Nice.
BrodyLuv2 1 year ago
Wow... 20 minutes to state that optical illusions exist....
XaviNL 1 year ago
imagine music so beautiful you died after hearing it...
Vahtacen 1 year ago
@Vahtacen lol
burningmanheartbeat 1 year ago
The eyes were not meant to see, but only to project.
1971SuperLead 1 year ago
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faerydhhlo 1 year ago
@faerydhhlo
But we have to pay you to see the schematics, huh? So, you're withholding vital technology from people in order to make money. How are you different from the evil oil executives, then?
Three options:
a) You're full of shit, selling something that won't work to make a quick buck
b) You're just another vile, money grubbing, wanna-be oil exec
c) You'll give out the schematics for free
What'll it be?
YourXavier 1 year ago
In a world where the "seeing sound" prostetic were used by society would much change the world of art to those of us who see.
cymonsgames 1 year ago
"... make music with colour"
Damn, I'd love to do that on acid.
Vehementi 1 year ago
This kinda does away with the meaning of Christianity and other religions. It exposes them as stupid, pathetic and dangerous delusions which some people have been conditioned to believe.
Downfurlife 1 year ago
Very, very cool.
MrFungus420 1 year ago
words of a stoner
MrFloydc2 1 year ago
i like green weed 420 4 life
ijif4 1 year ago
Good
sbusumacinta 1 year ago
Good
sbusumacinta 1 year ago
trippin bawlz
DaFleegsta 1 year ago
my brain just exploded!
Kingucktoad 1 year ago
Meh its the same trick over and over.
The music piece is smartly found though, still i find it rather doubtful a 6 year old meant it that way. :)
n3mesi5 1 year ago
@n3mesi5 the music was highly embellished. the were parts that i'm sure should have been silent parts, and it all sounded too smooth around obvious rough edges of the painting.
pwiattitto 1 year ago
The final one I didn't see the illusion, the colors looked a tad different, though they looked the same color, I felt like there was something different about the 2 sets of middle circles , and didn't see it till after. Why might that be?
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream Sometimes the truth is more useful to survival than an illusion. So people who can see the truth and through the illusion would (theoretically) be better-adapted.
Just my hypothesis, though.
onijester56 1 year ago
@onijester56 Nowadays we need to see the truth, the reality as it is. Though our eyes evolved seeing the way it is useful, thereby seeing illusions whenever the brain can't interpret something correctly.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@onijester56 just my thought. I do agree with you btw.
spartacandream 1 year ago
You can hear colors now? Cool.
MillCityPersons 1 year ago
hää
MrWavehead 1 year ago
Useless information for people.
SIRavecavec 1 year ago
@SIRavecavec Why?
doom032 1 year ago
Your Idea will work for the blind too....I hope your not too BIGTIME to read my idea I sent you in the mail.
uilium 1 year ago
I want software that makes music out of colors.
SuperiorApostate 1 year ago 36
@SuperiorApostate
i want softwar that makes color out of music... come to think on it, i do have a media player with visualization... never mind
Y0ts0 1 year ago
@Y0ts0 that's completely different.
SuperiorApostate 1 year ago
@SuperiorApostate ahoi. well... a) this kind of software exists. Try MuSoft or just google it.
b) let's not automatically call the result music. : D
noise and sound should be better fitting terms. though with proper image composition you may actually create music. no clear line there of course
Sensenwerk 1 year ago
@SuperiorApostate Well, if you did it as an analogy, you could program a computer to take the frequency and amplitude of a lightwave and convert it into harmonic sound waves. If you could find a techy it'd be really easy. But, if you don't have anyone handy, I guess you're out of luck.
LalEnuNoah 1 year ago
@SuperiorApostate try lsd it makes colors taste too
kenny3685 2 weeks ago
@SuperiorApostate fl studio fl harmor there you go
Champignon1000 1 week ago
Also, we do have an automatic while balance system in our brains much like the camera, it's actually the camera that mimics our visual senses
iv81 1 year ago
@iv81 Intelligent entities creating technology that mimics the natural world to make their lives easier? That's redonkulous. XD
onijester56 1 year ago
Proves that people will clap to almost anything.
iv81 1 year ago
this looks like hiros nemisis
UncheckedIrony 1 year ago
Anyone know what program that was that converted the image to an audio form?
Most converters only do vary basic waveform conversions and sound like garbage.
I'd like to know because I have been looking for a program to use to conver images to audio out of boredom.
FuturePants 1 year ago
Amazing, and a tad confusing.
rogamortis 1 year ago
Fascinating lecture...
noiseache 1 year ago
Honey is bee puke? Note taken.
FelineGhostSex 1 year ago 4
what was the purpose of this seminar?
chinh101 1 year ago
Haha - Sponsored by IBM, powered by Apple.
superseung 1 year ago
@superseung Don't you know that IBM and Apple are the founders of optical illusion technology?
skopp888 1 year ago
TED rules
seppesai 1 year ago
Amazing!
fefiss86 1 year ago
very interesting. Also colors look different under flourescent light and daylight! But yes the word has a lot of power and we tend to bellieve especially a lecturer right away. In India cosmetic companies make believe that white skin is better. The same companies brainwah people in the U.S. that brown is better. So the issue of whether a brown skin or white skin is more desirable is all programmed into us!
angelialvares 1 year ago
Bastard left us hanging! XD
Aridcreaturehere 1 year ago
Visual illusions are the rare anomalies, not our eyes. We can take another look, a closer look, etc - in the end we find the truth!
Sinjinator 1 year ago
@Sinjinator Still looking for the "truth"? The speaker made a great point: "NO ONE IS AN OUTSIDE OBSERVER OF NATURE. EACH OF US IS DEFINED BY OUR ECOLOGY."
I am not sure if there is any place for THE "truth" in a reality perceived with our brain.
TheJaredtube 1 year ago
@TheJaredtube that doesnt necissarily mean that its not there, outside of our own 'perceptions'..
turtlen 1 year ago
@TheJaredtube : And so the question arises: how is science possible, given the subjective experiences and relativity of perception?
CathySander 1 year ago
@CathySander Subjective and relative does not mean unpredictable and inconsistent. Reality is also not totally subjective, there is an "out there", eventhough sudoscience has permeated the false idea that "its all in the mind".
Science is a PROCESS for understanding a reality that is relative, objective, subjective and so on. The nature of reality does not make it impossible for scientific process to probe reality and discover the mysteries of our local and distant universe.
TheJaredtube 1 year ago
@TheJaredtube Bla bla bla... yawn you lost me after the first line with your pseudo-intellectual babble (BTW you spelled PSEUDO wrong). Well you didn't lose me as such, basically all you're saying is that we try to investigate nature as scientifically as humanly possible. There, I did it it one line, and in simple English.
But you see, the scientific method demands objectivity and reproducibility. Is there any person that is absolutely objective?
skopp888 1 year ago
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TheJaredtube 1 year ago
@skopp888 The answer to your questions is: PEER REVIEW.
TheJaredtube 1 year ago
@TheJaredtube Fair enough. Personally, I don't think anyone can be 100% objective, and neither can a computer because it's human-designed.
skopp888 1 year ago
LOL and "so he goes and throws up....and thats honey"
Great video
valcan321 1 year ago
Wow, excellent video!
Thak you so much, sir, for posting it.
Knr911 1 year ago
button your shirt
Keylimedelight 1 year ago
Ted's pretty fuckin' cool.
piratebuns 1 year ago
ehh this ait the eye problem ... brain problem?
TheCombineify 1 year ago
My eye's don't see what I thought I saw or I don't think I saw what my eye's saw.
billythefifer 1 year ago
FUCK MY EYES!! Those little bastards!
bdcarlitosway 1 year ago
@bdcarlitosway It can be arranged for a small fee.
adsensus 1 year ago
Great videos. I put them on JREF forum.
rjhrjh3 1 year ago
is he saying that we can't trust any information that our senses give us? that everything is an illusion and nothing is true?
AchievementSpanker 1 year ago
@AchievementSpanker `No no no absolutely not. We can definitely trust our senses to live and survive, that's the point. He just saying that our brain through evolution gives us a certain perception and that we can change the way we look at things to understand more about science. As far as everything being an illusion, that implies that you are talking only about one sense of sight and perception of these visual images in the brain which I suppose I believe is not true or how could we read.
Rory99M 1 year ago
@AchievementSpanker everything COULD be an illusion
TheMeatloaflover 1 year ago
@AchievementSpanker ,no,he's saying that honey is bees' vomit.
jorgecalivalle 1 year ago
@AchievementSpanker i think the answer to your question lies in his statement, we don't see the world as it is but as it is useful to us. Many things are illusory to us and many are correct, but only if correct coincides with useful. Like all of those hubble pictures...many of them are not what we would see naturally but instead done in false color to show what we can't see. All that stuff is really there, but we don't see it and we certainly don't see it like that, because it won't help us eat.
cowboycoco 1 year ago
At an airport, I sometimes like to trick myself at the baggage claim by staring intently at the belt the luggage rolls by on. When I do it long enough, I trick my body into thinking the luggage is staying still and I'M the one that's moving.
PlatinumIvory 1 year ago
ted for president :P
bangNL94 1 year ago
The first spinning diamond illusion didn't work for me. Even after blinking constantly, it still appeared to be spinning clockwise.
wivvix 1 year ago
Quite interesting, but i missed what his point really was. That we do not observe the world as it is but rather as we've been trained to do? A weak point.
volbla 1 year ago
@volbla yes, i was actually expecting it as a metaphor...but somehow all he said was that things are different than they appear
elethrion 1 year ago
Great post, really gets you thinking about "reality".
I've often wondered if different people have a different experience of colour. For example what I experience as red some one else may experience what I would call blue but since we label the same thing as red we both agree it's red (ie: we agree on "reality" even though our experiences of it may be totally different). Unfortunately I don't think the idea is testable.
Tapecutter59 1 year ago
I never trusted the bastards anyway!
Every time I look in a mirror, my eyes look shifty.
They're up to something, I know it.
Denamic 1 year ago 93
@Denamic you should always keep an eye on your eyes
will0ughby 1 year ago
@will0ughby yea, I'll just go and fucking stab some ones eye out WITH A BRICK and stick it on my forhead dedicated to watching my other 2 eyes, u never know a
BrotherPAZUZU 1 year ago
@Denamic Those mirror manufacturers are evil I tell you, EVIL. They're part of a secret society... have you ever noticed how everything appears backwards in a mirror? It's evil
skopp888 1 year ago
@Denamic according to physiscs when u look in a mirror youll have to stare yourself down
UncheckedIrony 1 year ago
@Denamic
are you sure they don't look shifty because you look at them with suspicion?
Y0ts0 1 year ago
This was awesome and very interesting but my question is. When is comes to making sounds with colors. Who assigns each color a sound? Take what the child's art sounded like for example. If they would have assigned it different notes then it would have sounded nothing like that. So my question is. Who assigns each color a note and why was each color given that particular note? Or am I missing it by a mile here? Someone please explain.
exacerbatedtaboo 1 year ago
@exacerbatedtaboo you are correct. any connection between color/light and sound is completely arbitrary. Check out the TED talk on synesthesia.
hardinmichael1981 1 year ago
I don't get this - my eyes are broken :-/. I still saw the squares in the middle as having the same colours even after he removed the covers...
DigitizedSelf 1 year ago
@DigitizedSelf: Really? I saw them as startlingly different. My brain is basically telling me: "Look, see that yellow haze, that's discolouring the squares which must really be purple!" Except that my brain does this instantaneously.
Eagle0600 1 year ago
@Eagle0600 Yeah, I know that that's what I'm supposed to see but I didn't - think it might be because my brain is expecting the illusion and correcting for it (if such a thing is even possible).
DigitizedSelf 1 year ago
@DigitizedSelf: But it's not an illusion. You have two different lights covered by a third light that makes them look the same. Being the same is the 'illusion', though it isn't an optical one. The fact that the brain corrects for this and makes them appear different is one of the fundamental properties of perception, and something we wish we could get robots to do.
Eagle0600 1 year ago
@Eagle0600 I'd say that since it tricks the mind into perceiving the colours different than they are, it is per definition an illusion. ...and this no matter if its advantageous or not.
DigitizedSelf 1 year ago
@DigitizedSelf: Perhaps.
Eagle0600 1 year ago
@DigitizedSelf congrats lol....that means you're retarded. :P just playing...but not really...lol you prob should get that checked out.
boorens18 1 year ago
@boorens18 Meh, definitely doesn't mean I'm retarded :P (slightly odd perhaps though)
DigitizedSelf 1 year ago
very cool!
589216001 1 year ago
Thanks for sharing! Great stuff.
jkzl1008 1 year ago
lame.
xerophiLIEs 1 year ago
supercoolasalways
wildnine00 1 year ago
Mind=blown
dreamlikedigital 1 year ago
"the brain evolved to see the world in a way which was useful." Brilliant
Ryan44567 1 year ago 53
@Ryan44567 yeah, that really makes u think of how the world really exists . . . at least it makes me think that.
keggerous 1 year ago
I wouldn't really call that a brilliant statement... why would the brain evolve in a way which was not useful?
boomkablamo 1 year ago
@boomkablamo
Very true. However, I wasn't referring to the truth of the statement. I really just liked how he worded it. I grew up in a culture with individuals who tend to believe that what the see is in fact reality.
Ryan44567 1 year ago
@boomkablamo I ask myself that same question every time i watch a fundie vid.
philthy122 1 year ago
Yea, another argument I hate for them to use is "Well how do you explain the fact that the earth is the perfect distance from the sun to sustain life". It's not hard a concept to understand that if there is a planet capable of sustaining life, then it's going to sustain life. If it wasn't the perfect distance from the sun then we wouldn't be here... it's such a stupid argument. Of course it's going to be the perfect distance.
boomkablamo 1 year ago 64
@boomkablamo Ahhhh the arse-hattery of fundies is an endless supply of facepalms and wtf's
philthy122 1 year ago
@boomkablamo There is no perfect distance that can support life. There is a range of distances between two values that can support /our/ life. There's a difference. Most ranges can support any form of life.
Deshara218 1 year ago
lol. Most ranges can support any form of life? I don't know if I'm misunderstanding you, but the only life ever recorded to exist exists within a very small range of distance from the sun. So we can really make no assumptions about life on other planets other than they would be most likely to exist on a planet with similar sunlight and climate.
boomkablamo 1 year ago
and the distance could vary by 37% and still support life almost out to mars
dangriff12 1 year ago
Yes, but that really doesn't even matter. The only thing that us being here proves is that we're here, nothing else. Just because we are here does not prove a God.
boomkablamo 1 year ago
@boomkablamo yes, you are absolutely right, if it wasn't perfect then we simply wouldn't be here observing how imperfect it is lol.
NorseRonin 1 year ago
@boomkablamo It is a stupid argument, if the earth was too cold for our existence, we wouldn't be sitting here having this e-conversation.
ItsJayson 1 year ago
@boomkablamo the best way to explain that is to realize that we have conformed to our environment. we thrive at this distance from the sun not because the sun happened to be in the right place, but because we evolved to take advantage of where the sun happens to be. a simpler example is oxygen. oxygen is not necessary for organic life, it's necessary for human life. oxygen was once a poison, spewed out by terrible creatures called plants. life then evolved to use this poison for it's own good
StansellJ1983 1 year ago
@boomkablamo Isn't it called the habitable zone or was it called the goldilock zone, where liquid water can exist on the surface. Never mind, I'ma just research it.
DoNotLaughAtMe 1 year ago
@boomkablamo
yeah we can say " we are here because the earth is in the right place NOT the earth in the right place because we are here "
learning112233 1 year ago
@boomkablamo An excellent argument. Very well said. Not to mention that we're just one planet in the right place in relation to just one sun. That's one solar system in the Milky Way Galaxy. Galaxies often contain multiple solar systems. There are BILLIONS of other galaxies in the OBSERVABLE universe - let alone what we can't even observe. Lot's of chances for the right conditions to come about.
bman0341 1 year ago
@boomkablamo Life evolved to fit the conditions it found, so naturally they're perfect for life.
HConstantine 1 year ago 6
@boomkablamo
It's not really all that "perfect" either. We could be drastically further away from the sun and still sustain life, although we couldn't be a whole lot closer. Certainly far from the definition of perfect. People getting the cause/effect relationship completely backwards is really annoying though.
bsphil 11 months ago
@boomkablamo We perceive it as the perfect distance and yet, life is till at a knife edge with huge massive populations being wiped out forever. We are not out of the woods and are still subject to the a meteorite or gamma burst wiping all known life out on Earth again. Is that perfect? Far from perfect.
truvelocity 10 months ago
@truvelocity What if that is perfect?
ApostateltsopA 7 months ago
@boomkablamo
You're using anthropic principle to explain the concept of a "fine-tuned universe" and I'm afraid the phrasing is crucial and it will confuse creationists even more and make them think you're stupid so I prefer to avoid it. I think an easier way to go about it is to say that in a while, Earth is going to be in a horrible position to sustain life and Mars is going to be better... and then even later, they're all going to be in a horrible position.
kohehd 8 months ago
@kohehd Also the habitable zone is enormousness... the earth isnt waking a tin line..... theres evidence that mars once had liquid water..... the reason it doesnt anymore you can research.
TamaNewb 7 months ago
@boomkablamo perfect? what does that mean? The earth isn't in an perfect distance to the sun. The habitable zone is several milijon kilometers wide, wich means that life could thrive better if it the planet were closer. Also life (corbon life forms) could be sustained outside this zone. It's broadly speculated by xenobiologist that life could exist on Jupiters moon Europa. And in other solar systems there could be life formed of other substances that could survive in the area like Venus.
kabbinet 6 months ago
correction not circle but diamond frame, in the middle pumping diamond, kept under contol by two paralell boarder lines on both sides inside of the big diamond frame. I don't know if this makes sense!
barbettemroe 1 year ago
Thank you for this series. Very useful.
musmusik 1 year ago
I don't doubt that this is correct ,I only question, from the beginning it spins opposite from how you say it would, and then after, despite blinking or looking away, it dosn't spin at all, but pulsades or pumps from the middle as diamond surrounded by a circle, maybe I have some visual imparement, what is this called?
barbettemroe 1 year ago
@barbettemroe
hmm, you may be missing the point, i think the point is that your eyes can't actually tell which way it's spinning, your brain uses intuition to figure it out. the point could also be that we didn't evolve to be able to tell which way something was spinning becasue it hasn't been necessary to our survival or reproduction.
bradmanthethird 1 year ago
@bradmanthethird It was spinning clockwise. It was obvious. It was always spinning clockwise and it only looked like it was spinning clockwise. I don't know what is wrong with people who think it was spinning counterclockwise.
cbernier3 1 year ago
@cbernier3
it wasn't obvious to me that it was always spinning clockwise, maybe you just saw it spinning clockwise because your brain knew it should be? unless your very genetically unique from the rest of us, your eyes should not actually be able to see the direction of spin on an object going that fast from that far away, multiple experiments conclude that a giant chunk of what we think we see is really just our brain interpreting sight information and trying to make sense of it.
bradmanthethird 1 year ago
@bradmanthethird I had to watch it over and over to try to get it to flip. It certainly doesn't happen as often as he said it does. It might flip once during the whole time, if you try hard. Although, if you look at the string, that was always going clockwise, even when the diamond looked to be going counterclockwise. Since they have to be spinning in the same direction, it was going clockwise.
cbernier3 1 year ago
@cbernier3 You should watch a computer-made illusion of the same sort, then there is no string for you to look, and there is no hand spinning it, then it will most probably be easier to change the direction
McAnkkuli 1 year ago
@bradmanthethird The interesting thing is that not everyone's brain works in exactly the same way, all the time. I did actually have to force the spinning wire diamond to change direction, but what he was showing is exactly the same thing, as watching the spokes on a bicycle wheel or a car tire. The center will randomly switch between clockwise and counter clockwise. I would have told him to use my example because it is more obvious.
flameroller 1 year ago
@flameroller
well maybe if we all donate because of how much we enjoy these informative videos the budget will be able to cover a dyno and an air exchanger to show the tire rim example ^^
bradmanthethird 1 year ago
@flameroller
No, no. The bicycle wheel and spokes illusion involves a completely different phenomenon. First of all, spinning at the low speed the diamond was spinning, there will never be any uncertainty as to the direction a bicycle wheel is spinning.
The wheel and spoke "illusion" happens only when there is a finite illumination frequency (like a fluorescent light) or temporal sampling (a video or film camera) is involved, and the wheel is spinning at a rate close to that frequency.
kossmikham 1 year ago
They're not born that way lol.
poorkinghaggard 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I feel so sorry for everyone in the room that paid for TED and got a magic eye demonstration.
MercifulMing 1 year ago
Ive always had a soft spot for illusions)
midij 1 year ago 2
Once more very interesting and capturing....the only thing I did not expirience was the diamond changing directions, why is that?
best wishes
Barbette
Love your program!
barbettemroe 1 year ago
@barbettemroe Try again this time decide which way you want it so spin. This works for me.
Jesse2K12 1 year ago
@Jesse2K12 I've always had to force it to change direction. Wonder what that means?
MultiUniv3rsal 1 year ago
@MultiUniv3rsal I think it was because of the video. I couldn't get it to change at all...
thegreatmendez000 1 year ago
this is just too cool!
evvee345 1 year ago
Thanks for the post. It was awesome.
TheLummer66 1 year ago
Not an illusion
KeepGoing11235 1 year ago
Always great stuff.
Machomatscho 1 year ago
Okay, can somebody explain the bee thing to me? The bees are seeing what now? Blue? Even though it appears green? Sorry, I just didn't get it, yeah I'm dumb...can anyone explain please?
thatfatbird 1 year ago
@thatfatbird
I think he meant yellow light, not green light. as you can see the yellow flowers on the bottom of the screen turn white as the green ones turn blue..
taeyeonlover 1 year ago
@thatfatbird The circles were blue but they had a green light shining on them.
ReligionIsTheDevil 1 year ago
I know enough about bees to say that they don't act on just color (if they do at all, I don't know), but they communicate through a dance. They move at an angle to I think Sun, and the bees copy that angle and distance while leaving the hive. The distance is scaled or something iirc.
averagekid82 1 year ago
Good illusion on the end:D
faab007 1 year ago
Good stuff. I had to watch it a couple times to make sense of what was going on at some points. If i was in the audience I woulda been a bit confused, he moved through some stuff pretty rapidly without much explanation.
thach1ef 1 year ago
I have watched this a couple of times and he is pretty cool BUT his look and voice always reminds me of a James Bond villain.
papasitoman 1 year ago 4
@papasitoman
"This isn't a gun in my hand, Mr. Bond. It's just an illusion." xD
MagnusIan 1 year ago 5