@MrBigolnuts actually they colled it like that because it was destroying the taliban that's why CIA did the biggest cover opperation giving the taliban the stinger missile to bring it down. And everything to have them as anemies now. funny is it?
Well, near all USSR/russian tech is cheaper IN RELATION to NATO/US equipment. Otherwise they're VERY closely priced, yet the Russians seem to get more out of most of their machines for the cost compared to NATO equipment.
Example, Mi 8 series (still workhorse of Russia) is $5-8m (2006), and a UH60 (US workhorse) $21.3m (2012). Though Mi8's older, it is still a very good heli, no need to replace it.
@IRussian911 that was when the taliban was formed actually, they where made to fight Russia because Russia had taken control of their land. Almost all of the middle eastern groups terrorizing the world today where formed back when russia had control over the middle east.
@M1008BOV $63million compared to $14(not 17)trillion is literally like comparing a penny to $20million, even if we saved that money it wouldnt put a dent in out national debt. so i say spending a microscopic amount of money to help our allies is a good investment.
@M1008BOV My southern border would refer to the US crossing into my nation. If you think I'm american then you must be refering to mexico. Regardless Canada and the US have a military pact that allows for the use of each others military's in disaster scenarios. Canada sent soldiers to help with disaster relief of hurricane Katrina, I believe they arrived even before the US forces did as well.
@M1008BOV these shitty export helicopters only cost around $3million each. so its not like we bought thousands of them. nothing to get shit crazy about.
@Gellande your average CH-47 Chinook only costs $35million but has almost twice the lifting power,has almost twice the range,a faster rate of climb,is much faster,and can carry 55 troops.and the reason russian helicopters are so cheap is because they have no advanced electronics and avionics inside them,while the Blackhawk and the Chinook(and every other american helicopter)do.so when it comes to long term usefulness the Chinook and Blackhawk are the best helicopters anywhere.
@Gellande and the CH-53E super stallion only costs $24.5million and can carry 55 troops, has a 73000lbs max takeoff weight,can travel at almost 200mph, has a range of 621mi, and has a rate of climb of 13m/s. now look up the Mi-17 and compare the 2 and you will find that the CH-53E is far superior(it is even superior to the Blackhawk and the Chinook).
wrong a Chinook costs $35 million, so you can still buy 3 Mi-17's and a couple of Ferraris
Yes Chinook is stronger, but it consumes much more fuel, it is more expensive to maintain and the parts
Mi-17's are very good, relative cheap to buy, to maintain, and still, a very practical and reliable machine, yes avonics might be old, pilot don't have an LCD monitor just some analog instruments, so what
like Kalashnikov, no wonder much more Mi-17's has been built than the other 2
Mi-8/17 combined(practically the same copter): a whooping 29.000!!! twentynine thousand :-o
so which helicopter is the best? and black hawk comparison is fairer, cuz both are middle sized, chinook is different category(Heavy Helicopter), the best altogether is the Mi-8/17(condsider price, maintenance, simplicity, sturdiness, reliablity)
@Gellande numbers have nothing to do with it,mainly because if the countries that bought the Mi-17 had enough money to buy something else than they would have.and LCD monitors isnt the only thing we have,US helicopters also have radars,early warning systems,countermeasures,and MANY others that make them superior to the Mi-17,not to mention superior armor and a much safer all-around design(Mi-17=tin can,when compared).and the helicopters i mentioned performed just fine in extreme environments.
look this is not an Attack helicopter, its a middle transport helicopter
If you had 45 million dollars, you would buy an UH-60,, so you can place 14 soldiers on the battle
If I had 45 million dollars, I would buy 4 Mi-17s, each can carry 30 soldiers; so I can deploy 120 soldiers, and/or can carry two jeeps in its cargo bay
14 vs 120 for the same price
Mi17's can also be equipped with rockets, and Anti missile systems(even american made),bigger bite
Well a UH-60M Blackhawk IS a lot more versatile, can be used for tons of different uses, can carry vehicles and the like.
But the reason why we gave them Mi-17's is because they work a lot better in that climate, their made for deserts, unlike the US UH-60s which are built for the climate were in and a more subtropic/tropical.
Also we could've given them UH-1 hueys, but THEY chose and we just bought it for them.
Well it's a lot better for short ranged travel, it withstands the good winds and survives the sandstorms
The U.S. Blackhawks and Hueys are not built specifically for that and are built for US combat, which doesn't involve much desert. Therefore, they were smart to choose it, but that DOESN'T mean that U.S. chopper's are shitty.
I actually like them, they have been useful, and helped us eliminate enemy aircraft.
nobody said US helicopters are shitty, they are great, or even better than russians(better survivability, better flight characteristics, less noise...)
BUT! russian helicopters are damn cheap, parts are also cheaper, more simple(easier to maintain/operate, less things to go wrong), if you can buy 4-5 russian helicopters for the price of an US helicopter, and if russian engine costs 2 million, US engine 6-8 million(parts), then you will think..
well US has a lot of helicopters built too, because we use a lot of our funding for hte military. That's why we have so many. but those helicopters are built for that environment since they were made around the time that russia was invading iraq and were built to survive them
So I agree.
but if I had a lot of money (even though Iraq doesn't) I would buy US/German/British helicopters, but if I couldnt I'd go for effective but cheap.
yeah but if you have 1 billion dollars, and you could chose to buy 25 Black Hawks, or 100 Mi17s, and you don't have that highly qualified technicians for Black Hawk's high tech systems, and you don't wanna spend too much money for operation(parts cost less), you might think a little bit...
Russians sell their helicopters for bargain price, probably its easier to give out money for spare parts also
we are not talking about Quatar, Switzerland, Luxemburg, but Poland Kazahstan
@Gellande, if the american choppers ar so good why the need for the Russian ones? Accept the fact that the old Soviet choppers are the BEST in Afghanistan for cost, durability and proven war performance. You Americans were also wrong in helping the Muslim crazies beat the Soviets, only to have it all blow back in your face with 911. Yep, the irony of dusting off and sending back these old Soviet choppers into Afghanistan because the Americans fucked it all up in the 1980's.
UH-60 has no cargo bay, it can only carry one vechicle outside on a strong rope
on the other hand Mi17s can carry up to two jeeps in its huge cargo bay, and one outside ;)
the reason you bought Mi17s, yeah its more reliable in the desert, and its waaay cheaper, 10-11 million bucks, versus 45-50 million bucks for a Black Hawk, so for the same price you would have only bought like 2-3 UH-60s for a full squadron of brand new Mi-17s
And the other thing is its much simpler to operate, its like the Kalashnikov(a child can operate/repair it and can shoot anybody)
Underqualified technicians can easily repair the Mi17s cuz it has not much high tech(its metal, not carbon fiber e.g. no complicated electr.), but still it can carry more troops, heavier weight, is far more cheaper and more reliable in desert than an UH-60M
maybe its noisier, bigger and consumes more fuel, but afghans have more experience with it
@Gellande the Mi-17 is a utility helicopter,so i think it would be fair to compare it to GOOD helicopters of the same class,like the CH-53E for example. the CH-53 has almost 3x the max takeoff weight of the Mi-17 and can carry 55 soldiers while the Mi-17 can only carry 30,so the CH-53 could carry a fully battle ready stryker MGS AND 55 fully equipped troops into battle,and it costs less than $24.5million.it can also be outfitted with weapons if the job requires it,plus its armor is ASTOUNDING!!!
+ "Chinook" costs 80mln each (brits bought it even for 100mln per peace, but there were some bureaucratic problems) and it's very inferior towards almost 3 times less costing Mi-26.
P.S. To "Russia today" and personally to N. Novikova - it's "Mi", not "aM aI". The helicopter's name sounds right the same as the word "me", because general constructor of the design bureau is Mil' (Миль).
very good and sturdy Copter, it can carry the same amount of troops/equipment as a Black Hawk, but for the price of a UH-60 Black Hawk you can buy 3-4 Mi-17's
Its like the Kalashnikow, unbeatable in its category
@M1008BOV Get a grip! A dozen MiL-17s will cost peanuts compared to modern military equipment. The Afghans are going to need a leg up from us if they are to eventually stand on their own feet. Look at it as an investment that will help ensure the sacrifices our troops made will not have been in vain. Its not like you sold 'em F-22s for crying out loud.
Anybody remember that these are the helicopters that Sylvester Stallone shot down these helicopters in Rambo 3 when he was fighting along side the "brave and valiant mujahadeen"?
@Coltaculuss Haha good comment, though you were wrong. Rambo shot down an Mi-24 which is an heavily armed assault chopper, not an Mi-17 as seen here, which is mainly used for troop transportation!
P.S. This "Rambo" shit is really shit, because looks like comics for retards - typical hollyshitwood movie with propagandist content for yankee imbeciles.
you guys know media only tell the bad things of whats going on not the good things like how more and more people in Afghanistan like the US because we are helping them with food, farming, supplies, and making bridges. The Taliban force people to give them what they need or they are beheaded. :(
Haha. Actually more and more people in Afghanistan would like to kill as much NATO troops as they can. Especially yanks. In reality local people respects russians MUCH more than any westerners, because the Union REALLY helped the country, built roads, tunnels, hospitals, infrastructure at BILLIONS. And it's still works for the needs of Afgh-n's people. NATO just bombs them. And all money for local infrastructure goes to western companies.
Admit defeat and move out from that godforsaken land NOW ! The Mudjahedeen will cut u yellow cowards to pieces. I like their style.With one rocket propelled grenade they butchered 38 murderers ! Why are we wasting billions of dollars in these meaningless wars? Who is paying the money ?
now I am not good in math but if we make roughly 14trill or close to that in GDP Annually and if we cut military spending by 50% we will be out of debt in 5-6 years?
forgive me i am only 11 yrs old and i also forgot to subtract gdp gained from military items
>now I am not good in math but if we make roughly 14trill or close to that in GDP Annually and if we cut military spending by 50% we will be out of debt in 5-6 years?
Nope. Even if to stop making new debts. Your military budget is around 600bln (as for the rest world together). + over 100bln for other military needs, but it's not the spendings of DoD. Now count the numbers: 600x0,5x5=1,5trln. And the debt is about 15. So it's need 50 years. :-) But not only military causes the debt.
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Chopper Comeback: Legendary Soviet Mi-17: More Helicopters for Taliban for the next war. They stole enough from Soviet Union but I think they are now running out of Amo after American invasion...
@k1ng18711 God don't I know that, I don't see why we really need all of these things when it will end up like Vietnam where billions was spent on a war with no gains... Our countries are suffering enough with debts and riots along with increased unrest as countries arm themselves to the teeth with nuclear weapons that will do nothing except destroy all life on earth except the royal family and heads of governments in their bunkers while US the taxpayer who funded them slowly die of cancers. :'(
U think US spending on the chopters was bad??? Malaysian Govt bought a submarine from France that cannot dive under water and comes with NO torpedoes .. and the yearly maintenance cost billions !!!!
Idiots.. we bought them Russian helicopters insted of US so that when we have to come back in 10 or 20 years we wont be faceing out own tech, insted will be facing old ass out of date russian garbage.
@M1008BOV America had better kiss Russian a**. It's better that Russia shipping Igla 4s and Kornet ATGMs to the Taliban. America better not stop kissing those cheeks either. Ever.
@ImJustBoredLol You dont know if it was hit by a RPG or not. It is more likely a small caliber stationary AA. Like 20mm or the Russian equivalent. They use those frequently in that region.
RPGs are for stationary & harden targets, slow moving targets...
Just like our old LAW rockets I was trained on back in the 80s - thing is once you use it cannot reload ( though it can be rearmed but takes time & effort w/ new rocket round ) it like the RPG.
The only way to down a helicopter w/ RPG if it is in range, hovering, & moving very, very slow...can't lead a "bead" like a shotgun for shooting traps you see?
Man, we are going same road as USSR did before us. Spending our tax payers money to support other country's, fighting wars to establish Democracy. While people in our own country are starting to suffer more and more because of economy poor condition. We are so close to have uprisings in USA it's not even funny anymore.
@WhiteWi Naw... Americans shot their "Uprising" load in the 18th century - when they had balls - now they're sheep: too stupid, too fat, too lazy, too much with the tough talk and big mouth - and hey, why get all worried, there's always more 'stuff' in the stores to buy, there's always porn!!! and look NFL!!!! YEAH!!!! USA, USA, USA... BELCH!!!!!
No offense to the Russian viewers, but Afghanistan was wrecked by Russian forced, then exploited by "self proclaiming" 'Jihadist' and then raped by American forced. Curse all imperialists.
>Buying them from Russia was probably cheaper than giving them some of ours.
Plus western models works worse in mounts. Now details: 21 Mi-17V5 for 300mln. It means ~14,3mln per one helicopter. Not bad. Come back and buy more. ;-)
Who needs high end flashy helicopters, this chopper's perfect for hauling sacks of opium extract. It'll pay for itself in no time.. it's a no brainer really.. You can google earth the location of every US base in Afghanistan and you'll see they're right next to huge poppy fields.
@sbugiardo your question demonstrate you know 0 about the current war in afghanistan/iraq.
their both civil war, USA & iraq/afghanistan government against alqaida/taliban mostly, basically governments against rebels. When we leave their security forces will be smaller thus hell may break through in those countries.
I think all the American Manufactures are all overseas so Americans couldn't work and make the Helicopters that could have given jobs to thousands of Americans
In May 2008 licensed production of the Mi-17 started in China, with production being led by Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant JSC and the Sichuan Lantian Helicopter Company Limited in Chengdu, Sichuan province. The plant built 20 helicopters in 2008
Mi-17s are not old, the overall design might be but the engine, rotor, navigation and weapon system, etc, have all been upgraded to the latest that the Russian Military Industry can offer. Russia might not ship choppers with the latest upgrades thought but they are certainly going to be better than those during the war
Probably its cheaper to buy Russian than American. Replacement parts are easier and faster to procure. I also want to say "they are bullet proof to maintain" although 7.62mm has no mercy on any flying aircraft. You'd be surprised that time tested ,old equipment can still function.
@beta700a u really think they will arm the afghan army with "new american-made super-modern-hitech chopers"? lol they might as well give them bio and nuclear weapons while they are at it huh? NO! the pawns get some good toys to play with but never as good as their masters toys.
The Mi-17 is cheap to build and reliable. It has its use to a good start. Mi-17 Donkey they could call it if they want. The mainstream media never talked about this. Gee fucking willykers I wonder why?! All hear from them is: IT'S FUCKING WONDERFUL TO BE A FUCKING DEGENERATE! OBAMA HAS YOU FUCKING MADE! No need to fucking save money just fucking piss it away! Thats all I fucking hear from the fucking media unlike Russia Today. Now back to the Mi-17. I would buy one if possible. I could use i
It depends on which part of the Chopper legend you believe in. Some say he only robbed and tortured drug dealers. Chopper himself was clearly full of shite, but 'Chopper' the movie is one of the best movies ever made.
Some of the quotes are the stuff of legend. You can't beat a few Chopper quotes when you're out on the piss with the lads.
At this point I will be Living w my Russian wife soon. After I finish learning Russian language. Buy my way in if need be legally . 10.years minimum until this Country.(USA )Rebounds and grows some balls.
If God Forbid there is one domestic homeland security terrorist act, lights out. Ashame
Half will go to taliban. The other half who cares at this pong. People wonder why USA Falls hardest since civil war. When you can't determine allies from enemies than it is time to retire. FURTHERMORE USA MORE VULNERABLE THAN EVER FOR COUNTERINTELLIGENC BREACH IN ALL LEVEL FROM WH TO THE NAVY SEALS. IF THE RECENT US SEAL STORY IS TRUE ; THAN THE US NAVY MILITARY SPECIAL FORCES HAVE A GIANT LEEK OR TWO SOMEWHERE. USA COVERS $100S OF MILLION $ FOR SPECIAL OPPS. CONF/CLANDESTIN PEP. NEVER DYDAWAY
USA f35 and f22 are all out of order because they do not work. USA with 42 colonies are in Afghanistan for 11 years and cannot win and will never win because Afghanistan people are not cowards and will never surrender. Usa lost there best navry seals a day ago when Afghanistan shot them down with surace to air missile.
Wow, did Fox/Cnn tell you that? Its an awesome story bro. I mean, I don't want to believe that you rely entirely on news stations owned by only 5 people, none of whom are interested in news and are more prone to spin anything that comes their way. What credible, unbias/agenda-absent, news source did you get this from?
The draconians that are in power over the world are ruled by greed, fear, anger, hate their ego is uber inflated which amplifies thier wickedness. We out number these pathetic monsters thousands to one but are still lost in the illussion of money, money that has since long ago corrupted the human intellect down to the very core and tainted the heart and soul. We have to be more self sustaining and loose our dependence on money and the serpents that control you because of money. Love&PeaceAll
Such as the Ak-47, the mi-17 is ugly, but works and is cheap. I live in Brazil.
daltonagre 2 weeks ago
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MrFaraz14 2 days ago
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Soviet tech cheap but not reliable
zaliasvelniass 1 month ago
What do you think the chance is that they'll end up using that hardware against US interests? 99%, 100%?
0HippyHunter0 2 months ago
@09phanton This is funny.....search:
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MrBigolnuts 3 months ago
the experience of these damned helicopters in Afghanistan is worth it, Welcome back.
cal45deserteagle 5 months ago
The Afghanis called it "Satan's Chariot" because they massacred the civilian population with it
MrBigolnuts 6 months ago
@MrBigolnuts actually they colled it like that because it was destroying the taliban that's why CIA did the biggest cover opperation giving the taliban the stinger missile to bring it down. And everything to have them as anemies now. funny is it?
09phanton 3 months ago
i like it but i'd pick an Apache longbow
The357python 6 months ago
@The357python
Apache - Attack
Mi17 - Transport
big difference
capespring 3 months ago
comeback of true armies !! For mother russia
Greetings from phillipines
lordviktor01 6 months ago
The U.S. is buying Helicopter for the Afghanistan Security forces. No wonder the U.S. is going broke. Spending money where they shouldn't have.
bronx7542 6 months ago
@bronx7542 right with you man. Thats the hard cold truth.
09phanton 3 months ago
FUCK RUSSIANS
MrItalian86Stallion 6 months ago
Soviet tech cheap and reliable
Brad25255 6 months ago 13
@Brad25255
Tried to find one for sale.
Not cheap :(
dekster14LP 2 months ago 2
@dekster14LP
Well, near all USSR/russian tech is cheaper IN RELATION to NATO/US equipment. Otherwise they're VERY closely priced, yet the Russians seem to get more out of most of their machines for the cost compared to NATO equipment.
Example, Mi 8 series (still workhorse of Russia) is $5-8m (2006), and a UH60 (US workhorse) $21.3m (2012). Though Mi8's older, it is still a very good heli, no need to replace it.
boffinboy100 1 month ago
this is retatrded how our goverment is buying them choppers
MegaHvac 6 months ago
correct me if im wrong but, the lady said when America leaves Afghan, Russia will enter it?
lightwalker123 6 months ago
>The U.S has bought? THE U.S HAS BOUGHT!!!
Tprr-r-r, it flows to Russia! It's ok. ;-)
Nitrorus 6 months ago
Russian hardware are real work horse without the bells and whistles they just work!
neodelphi 6 months ago
@IRussian911 that was when the taliban was formed actually, they where made to fight Russia because Russia had taken control of their land. Almost all of the middle eastern groups terrorizing the world today where formed back when russia had control over the middle east.
warhawk9566 6 months ago
@warhawk9566 you mean formed by the us
futuju 6 months ago
@futuju only the taliban really. the rest kinda formed on their own
warhawk9566 6 months ago
@M1008BOV $63million compared to $14(not 17)trillion is literally like comparing a penny to $20million, even if we saved that money it wouldnt put a dent in out national debt. so i say spending a microscopic amount of money to help our allies is a good investment.
hotpocketpoison 6 months ago
@M1008BOV My southern border would refer to the US crossing into my nation. If you think I'm american then you must be refering to mexico. Regardless Canada and the US have a military pact that allows for the use of each others military's in disaster scenarios. Canada sent soldiers to help with disaster relief of hurricane Katrina, I believe they arrived even before the US forces did as well.
walkertexasranger33 6 months ago
@IRussian911 russia got drove out of afghanistan. they lost that fight
warhawk9566 6 months ago
strike three for the chinook helicopter...what's going on here?
JustinBrowsin 6 months ago
@M1008BOV these shitty export helicopters only cost around $3million each. so its not like we bought thousands of them. nothing to get shit crazy about.
hotpocketpoison 6 months ago
@hotpocketpoison
a new one costs 10-11 million, a used one might be 3 million
a new UH-60 Black hawk costs 45-50 million at least, but it can lift smaller weight, less troops(14 vs 30 in mi-17), and its not much faster
So Mi-17 is a perfect solution, and is very reliable
Gellande 6 months ago
@Gellande your average CH-47 Chinook only costs $35million but has almost twice the lifting power,has almost twice the range,a faster rate of climb,is much faster,and can carry 55 troops.and the reason russian helicopters are so cheap is because they have no advanced electronics and avionics inside them,while the Blackhawk and the Chinook(and every other american helicopter)do.so when it comes to long term usefulness the Chinook and Blackhawk are the best helicopters anywhere.
hotpocketpoison 6 months ago
@Gellande and the CH-53E super stallion only costs $24.5million and can carry 55 troops, has a 73000lbs max takeoff weight,can travel at almost 200mph, has a range of 621mi, and has a rate of climb of 13m/s. now look up the Mi-17 and compare the 2 and you will find that the CH-53E is far superior(it is even superior to the Blackhawk and the Chinook).
hotpocketpoison 6 months ago
@hotpocketpoison
wrong a Chinook costs $35 million, so you can still buy 3 Mi-17's and a couple of Ferraris
Yes Chinook is stronger, but it consumes much more fuel, it is more expensive to maintain and the parts
Mi-17's are very good, relative cheap to buy, to maintain, and still, a very practical and reliable machine, yes avonics might be old, pilot don't have an LCD monitor just some analog instruments, so what
like Kalashnikov, no wonder much more Mi-17's has been built than the other 2
Gellande 6 months ago
so to proove your wrong:
chinook: number built: 1179
Black Hawk: 2600
Mi-8/17 combined(practically the same copter): a whooping 29.000!!! twentynine thousand :-o
so which helicopter is the best? and black hawk comparison is fairer, cuz both are middle sized, chinook is different category(Heavy Helicopter), the best altogether is the Mi-8/17(condsider price, maintenance, simplicity, sturdiness, reliablity)
Gellande 6 months ago
@Gellande numbers have nothing to do with it,mainly because if the countries that bought the Mi-17 had enough money to buy something else than they would have.and LCD monitors isnt the only thing we have,US helicopters also have radars,early warning systems,countermeasures,and MANY others that make them superior to the Mi-17,not to mention superior armor and a much safer all-around design(Mi-17=tin can,when compared).and the helicopters i mentioned performed just fine in extreme environments.
hotpocketpoison 6 months ago
@hotpocketpoison
look this is not an Attack helicopter, its a middle transport helicopter
If you had 45 million dollars, you would buy an UH-60,, so you can place 14 soldiers on the battle
If I had 45 million dollars, I would buy 4 Mi-17s, each can carry 30 soldiers; so I can deploy 120 soldiers, and/or can carry two jeeps in its cargo bay
14 vs 120 for the same price
Mi17's can also be equipped with rockets, and Anti missile systems(even american made),bigger bite
Gellande 6 months ago
@Gellande
Well a UH-60M Blackhawk IS a lot more versatile, can be used for tons of different uses, can carry vehicles and the like.
But the reason why we gave them Mi-17's is because they work a lot better in that climate, their made for deserts, unlike the US UH-60s which are built for the climate were in and a more subtropic/tropical.
Also we could've given them UH-1 hueys, but THEY chose and we just bought it for them.
GameReviewer1987 6 months ago
@GameReviewer1987 Afghans know better what they need and they don't need U.S. shitty choippers. And i'm not supprised of it.
mikkalainer11 6 months ago
@mikkalainer11
Well it's a lot better for short ranged travel, it withstands the good winds and survives the sandstorms
The U.S. Blackhawks and Hueys are not built specifically for that and are built for US combat, which doesn't involve much desert. Therefore, they were smart to choose it, but that DOESN'T mean that U.S. chopper's are shitty.
I actually like them, they have been useful, and helped us eliminate enemy aircraft.
GameReviewer1987 6 months ago
@GameReviewer1987
nobody said US helicopters are shitty, they are great, or even better than russians(better survivability, better flight characteristics, less noise...)
BUT! russian helicopters are damn cheap, parts are also cheaper, more simple(easier to maintain/operate, less things to go wrong), if you can buy 4-5 russian helicopters for the price of an US helicopter, and if russian engine costs 2 million, US engine 6-8 million(parts), then you will think..
thats why 29.000 Mi17s built!
Gellande 6 months ago
@Gellande
Actually Mikkalainer11 did.
well US has a lot of helicopters built too, because we use a lot of our funding for hte military. That's why we have so many. but those helicopters are built for that environment since they were made around the time that russia was invading iraq and were built to survive them
So I agree.
but if I had a lot of money (even though Iraq doesn't) I would buy US/German/British helicopters, but if I couldnt I'd go for effective but cheap.
GameReviewer1987 6 months ago
@GameReviewer1987
yeah but if you have 1 billion dollars, and you could chose to buy 25 Black Hawks, or 100 Mi17s, and you don't have that highly qualified technicians for Black Hawk's high tech systems, and you don't wanna spend too much money for operation(parts cost less), you might think a little bit...
Russians sell their helicopters for bargain price, probably its easier to give out money for spare parts also
we are not talking about Quatar, Switzerland, Luxemburg, but Poland Kazahstan
Gellande 6 months ago
@Gellande, if the american choppers ar so good why the need for the Russian ones? Accept the fact that the old Soviet choppers are the BEST in Afghanistan for cost, durability and proven war performance. You Americans were also wrong in helping the Muslim crazies beat the Soviets, only to have it all blow back in your face with 911. Yep, the irony of dusting off and sending back these old Soviet choppers into Afghanistan because the Americans fucked it all up in the 1980's.
thethrowaway1000 6 months ago
@GameReviewer1987
UH-60 has no cargo bay, it can only carry one vechicle outside on a strong rope
on the other hand Mi17s can carry up to two jeeps in its huge cargo bay, and one outside ;)
the reason you bought Mi17s, yeah its more reliable in the desert, and its waaay cheaper, 10-11 million bucks, versus 45-50 million bucks for a Black Hawk, so for the same price you would have only bought like 2-3 UH-60s for a full squadron of brand new Mi-17s
Gellande 6 months ago
@GameReviewer1987
And the other thing is its much simpler to operate, its like the Kalashnikov(a child can operate/repair it and can shoot anybody)
Underqualified technicians can easily repair the Mi17s cuz it has not much high tech(its metal, not carbon fiber e.g. no complicated electr.), but still it can carry more troops, heavier weight, is far more cheaper and more reliable in desert than an UH-60M
maybe its noisier, bigger and consumes more fuel, but afghans have more experience with it
Gellande 6 months ago
@Gellande
Yeah I agree.
I just think it's wrong to say that American choppers are shitty, since with them we've eliminated tons more than their helicopters have of us.
GameReviewer1987 6 months ago
@Gellande the Mi-17 is a utility helicopter,so i think it would be fair to compare it to GOOD helicopters of the same class,like the CH-53E for example. the CH-53 has almost 3x the max takeoff weight of the Mi-17 and can carry 55 soldiers while the Mi-17 can only carry 30,so the CH-53 could carry a fully battle ready stryker MGS AND 55 fully equipped troops into battle,and it costs less than $24.5million.it can also be outfitted with weapons if the job requires it,plus its armor is ASTOUNDING!!!
hotpocketpoison 6 months ago
Gellande, you're right.
+ "Chinook" costs 80mln each (brits bought it even for 100mln per peace, but there were some bureaucratic problems) and it's very inferior towards almost 3 times less costing Mi-26.
P.S. To "Russia today" and personally to N. Novikova - it's "Mi", not "aM aI". The helicopter's name sounds right the same as the word "me", because general constructor of the design bureau is Mil' (Миль).
Nitrorus 6 months ago
>cost around $3million each
Actually 15mln. Surprise, yeah? You're moron. ;-)
Nitrorus 6 months ago
Thoes are metal caskets!
kb6eyc 6 months ago
War is a profit.
ExtraTerrestrials 6 months ago
hahah that's funny !! the US government is screwing US tax payers one more time !!
what a way to spend the people's money! lol
ydh3324 6 months ago
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ydh3324 6 months ago
just finished my dinner.......good pizza
designedwill 6 months ago
Im glad i live in Singapore
Blazer433 6 months ago
@M1008BOV Which foreign military helicopters?
walkertexasranger33 6 months ago
very good and sturdy Copter, it can carry the same amount of troops/equipment as a Black Hawk, but for the price of a UH-60 Black Hawk you can buy 3-4 Mi-17's
Its like the Kalashnikow, unbeatable in its category
Gellande 6 months ago
@Gellande Kalashnikov* xD sorry to correct you, no offence.
MrSuicidalidiot 6 months ago
@M1008BOV Get a grip! A dozen MiL-17s will cost peanuts compared to modern military equipment. The Afghans are going to need a leg up from us if they are to eventually stand on their own feet. Look at it as an investment that will help ensure the sacrifices our troops made will not have been in vain. Its not like you sold 'em F-22s for crying out loud.
saKhanSteele 6 months ago
Well the Mi-17 couldn't handle the Stinger. USSR tech sucked.
EuromanMovieReport 6 months ago
@EuromanMovieReport
Neither could all of the American Helo's which have been shot down since...
Not to mention the fact that the USA gave them the stingers in the first place... Ironic much?
unclejoey4 6 months ago
When the US leave they need to make sure the locals have equipment that the can easily repair and source parts for. Common sense really.
Rikki442 6 months ago
United States purchase helicopters from Russia .... this is the biggest WTF
killer7magnum3 6 months ago
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>United States purchase helicopters from Russia .... this is the biggest WTF
Hahaha. It's the beginning. ;-) Of the end.
Nitrorus 6 months ago
I saw the same in Ethiopia when american were buying Migs and Sukhoy jet fighters and even maintained it during war against Erythrea
opanhuys 6 months ago
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harminder858 6 months ago
dont sweat it, they were only $39.99 ea. lol
metaltester466 6 months ago
lol 15 trillion dollars in debt, but hey! We'll by dozens of choppers for afghans!
scorch1911 6 months ago
Anybody remember that these are the helicopters that Sylvester Stallone shot down these helicopters in Rambo 3 when he was fighting along side the "brave and valiant mujahadeen"?
I just find this funny.
Coltaculuss 6 months ago 22
@Coltaculuss Lol I always found that ironic.
ImWatchinTheTube 6 months ago
@Coltaculuss Haha good comment, though you were wrong. Rambo shot down an Mi-24 which is an heavily armed assault chopper, not an Mi-17 as seen here, which is mainly used for troop transportation!
conhopper78 6 months ago
It was french "Puma" actually. ;-)
P.S. This "Rambo" shit is really shit, because looks like comics for retards - typical hollyshitwood movie with propagandist content for yankee imbeciles.
Nitrorus 6 months ago
@Coltaculuss it wasn't alse orginal russian choper but only fake of it made by some camuflage
mikkalainer11 6 months ago
@M1008BOV Too bad Obama didn't change as much as he said huh.
TheSaintAza 6 months ago
@M1008BOV well exactly, that's part of the joke that is the us military budget.
DrPracticleHat 6 months ago
when USA leaves, taliban will get them :) don't be so naive !
expoints 6 months ago
@expoints
You mean the ones that the US don't crash or get shot down
Vidzstreamer 6 months ago
you guys know media only tell the bad things of whats going on not the good things like how more and more people in Afghanistan like the US because we are helping them with food, farming, supplies, and making bridges. The Taliban force people to give them what they need or they are beheaded. :(
hughaldrich 6 months ago
>more and more people in Afghanistan like the US
Haha. Actually more and more people in Afghanistan would like to kill as much NATO troops as they can. Especially yanks. In reality local people respects russians MUCH more than any westerners, because the Union REALLY helped the country, built roads, tunnels, hospitals, infrastructure at BILLIONS. And it's still works for the needs of Afgh-n's people. NATO just bombs them. And all money for local infrastructure goes to western companies.
Nitrorus 6 months ago
Admit defeat and move out from that godforsaken land NOW ! The Mudjahedeen will cut u yellow cowards to pieces. I like their style.With one rocket propelled grenade they butchered 38 murderers ! Why are we wasting billions of dollars in these meaningless wars? Who is paying the money ?
trs24june 6 months ago
military spending 70%....
nation in debt >.<
now I am not good in math but if we make roughly 14trill or close to that in GDP Annually and if we cut military spending by 50% we will be out of debt in 5-6 years?
forgive me i am only 11 yrs old and i also forgot to subtract gdp gained from military items
mohab18 6 months ago
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>now I am not good in math but if we make roughly 14trill or close to that in GDP Annually and if we cut military spending by 50% we will be out of debt in 5-6 years?
Nope. Even if to stop making new debts. Your military budget is around 600bln (as for the rest world together). + over 100bln for other military needs, but it's not the spendings of DoD. Now count the numbers: 600x0,5x5=1,5trln. And the debt is about 15. So it's need 50 years. :-) But not only military causes the debt.
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$14.5 trillion in debt, and counting!
TheEffectGuy 6 months ago
Chopper Comeback: Legendary Soviet Mi-17: More Helicopters for Taliban for the next war. They stole enough from Soviet Union but I think they are now running out of Amo after American invasion...
Reptile0000 6 months ago
...!
TvGuidex 6 months ago
Last up to 25 years? Do we really expect we will be there for that long? :/
notasnice 6 months ago
@notasnice
No, longer. Expect 100 years at least. Don't worry, the Queen won't pay, UK and US taxpayers will do that ;-)
k1ng18711 6 months ago
@k1ng18711 God don't I know that, I don't see why we really need all of these things when it will end up like Vietnam where billions was spent on a war with no gains... Our countries are suffering enough with debts and riots along with increased unrest as countries arm themselves to the teeth with nuclear weapons that will do nothing except destroy all life on earth except the royal family and heads of governments in their bunkers while US the taxpayer who funded them slowly die of cancers. :'(
notasnice 6 months ago
@notasnice
It's sad I know. But we can't do anything to change it.
k1ng18711 6 months ago
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>No, longer. Expect 100 years at least. Don't worry, the Queen won't pay, UK and US taxpayers will do that ;-)
God, save the king/queen! :-D
Nitrorus 6 months ago
U think US spending on the chopters was bad??? Malaysian Govt bought a submarine from France that cannot dive under water and comes with NO torpedoes .. and the yearly maintenance cost billions !!!!
RichieNgaKL 6 months ago
well i clicked on this thinking it was somthing to do with the london riots.
GYkyle 6 months ago
@GYkyle It says Afghan in the title, retard.
TheMrIVIarks 6 months ago
Moooooo
cory2146 6 months ago
@M1008BOV
Yes there is a TM manual for the US Army's Mi-17 in print that I've personally seen that is over 1" thick...
KalanYore 6 months ago
The US manufacturers are a ripoff. Soviet replicas of the Fiat called giguli will outlasts any American made car.
dinamo4889 6 months ago
Idiots.. we bought them Russian helicopters insted of US so that when we have to come back in 10 or 20 years we wont be faceing out own tech, insted will be facing old ass out of date russian garbage.
ScrewtapeStudios 6 months ago
Dream on, moron, dream on. Dreams and 15trln debt is all what you have. ;-)
Nitrorus 6 months ago
promotion man... however, why did obama do this thing? what a stupid decision!
masjamboel 6 months ago
this is why the US is $14 trillion dollars in debt. Who's going to pay that back? Not the congressmen. Us citizens are.WTF is wrong with our country
FmasterJG 6 months ago
don't want to sell our copters because they will end up in enemery hand with all the sscret pats to be gotten and used to shout down our troops .
rredford307 6 months ago
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yournameiswrong 6 months ago
American technology: great, distinct, precise....if it works. Russian technology: Rough, rugged, simple....but works...
manoman0 6 months ago
Mi-24 is better
shoopwhoopX 6 months ago
WHy do they keep mixing footage of the Mi17 and Hinds?
noobrider100 6 months ago
@M1008BOV 15 Russian choppers isn't even peanuts to the the US military budget, of course the republicans would never want to talk about that.
DrPracticleHat 6 months ago
@M1008BOV America had better kiss Russian a**. It's better that Russia shipping Igla 4s and Kornet ATGMs to the Taliban. America better not stop kissing those cheeks either. Ever.
Scrat335 6 months ago
@Scrat335 Ha you're funny, we never paid any respect to the Russians what makes you think we're doing this to please Russia?
tony38727 6 months ago
@M1008BOV No, I think you fail for failing to understand the concept of the Afghan mission.
JammyD2579 6 months ago
I'm sure the afghans are going to like seeing those things again :)
BVargas78 6 months ago 6
Ah the Mi-17 is back at killing villagers, like in the good old days.
tommysch 6 months ago
Hahaha. Just when their transport chopper gets pwnd by RPG killing 22 Navy Seals, 5 air crews , 1 translator 7 afghans in it.
ImJustBoredLol 6 months ago
@ImJustBoredLol You dont know if it was hit by a RPG or not. It is more likely a small caliber stationary AA. Like 20mm or the Russian equivalent. They use those frequently in that region.
tommysch 6 months ago
@tommysch Nato said it was reportedly downed by RPG
ImJustBoredLol 6 months ago
@ImJustBoredLol Sorry then.
tommysch 6 months ago
@ImJustBoredLol
Don't take their word for it!?!
RPGs are for stationary & harden targets, slow moving targets...
Just like our old LAW rockets I was trained on back in the 80s - thing is once you use it cannot reload ( though it can be rearmed but takes time & effort w/ new rocket round ) it like the RPG.
The only way to down a helicopter w/ RPG if it is in range, hovering, & moving very, very slow...can't lead a "bead" like a shotgun for shooting traps you see?
KalanYore 6 months ago
@tommysch the 23mm ZU-23 Russian AA gun is not "small calibre" in any sense of the word. Not in modern terms.
JammyD2579 6 months ago
@JammyD2579 I meant a small caliber cannon or gun.
tommysch 6 months ago
Man, we are going same road as USSR did before us. Spending our tax payers money to support other country's, fighting wars to establish Democracy. While people in our own country are starting to suffer more and more because of economy poor condition. We are so close to have uprisings in USA it's not even funny anymore.
WhiteWi 6 months ago
@WhiteWi Naw... Americans shot their "Uprising" load in the 18th century - when they had balls - now they're sheep: too stupid, too fat, too lazy, too much with the tough talk and big mouth - and hey, why get all worried, there's always more 'stuff' in the stores to buy, there's always porn!!! and look NFL!!!! YEAH!!!! USA, USA, USA... BELCH!!!!!
2001Horatio 6 months ago
@M1008BOV they bought a DOZEN of one of the cheapest and oldest helicopters they are
i dont htink they are gonna cut that
alexandre007opa 6 months ago
No offense to the Russian viewers, but Afghanistan was wrecked by Russian forced, then exploited by "self proclaiming" 'Jihadist' and then raped by American forced. Curse all imperialists.
parshnip1 6 months ago
Great way to send our Afghan friends a message there, NWO...
audadvnc 6 months ago
Justice is ready for USA terrorist-genocide nation !!!
cobrex18000 6 months ago
@M1008BOV Buying them from Russia was probably cheaper than giving them some of ours.
irishScott2 6 months ago 3
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>Buying them from Russia was probably cheaper than giving them some of ours.
Plus western models works worse in mounts. Now details: 21 Mi-17V5 for 300mln. It means ~14,3mln per one helicopter. Not bad. Come back and buy more. ;-)
Nitrorus 6 months ago
LEETTS HATE AMERICA YEAH! WERE SOOOO COOL fucking retards
DJsharp707 6 months ago
Who needs high end flashy helicopters, this chopper's perfect for hauling sacks of opium extract. It'll pay for itself in no time.. it's a no brainer really.. You can google earth the location of every US base in Afghanistan and you'll see they're right next to huge poppy fields.
eujeeves 6 months ago 2
1:08 I don't get it... what need for security will there be, once the US leaves?
sbugiardo 6 months ago 3
@sbugiardo your question demonstrate you know 0 about the current war in afghanistan/iraq.
their both civil war, USA & iraq/afghanistan government against alqaida/taliban mostly, basically governments against rebels. When we leave their security forces will be smaller thus hell may break through in those countries.
prjerry7 6 months ago
0:34 mi-24, not mi-17
ShadowGKCP 6 months ago
I think all the American Manufactures are all overseas so Americans couldn't work and make the Helicopters that could have given jobs to thousands of Americans
tonyvac25 6 months ago
Ironic. The Russian invaders weaponry is being used by Afghanistan for defense.
Zooni2 6 months ago
ohh the irony
acadamenorth 6 months ago
In May 2008 licensed production of the Mi-17 started in China, with production being led by Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant JSC and the Sichuan Lantian Helicopter Company Limited in Chengdu, Sichuan province. The plant built 20 helicopters in 2008
edwardtang1977 6 months ago
I wonder which country contributed more to Afghanistan, Russia or USA?
Russia of course!!!!
Rushour717 6 months ago 2
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>I wonder which country contributed more to Afghanistan, Russia or USA?
Russia of course!!!!
That's why Afg-n had 11 (or even 14) billion (in dol) debt. There were build numerous objects of infrastructure which still in active use.
Nitrorus 6 months ago
It's like a song from Alanis Morrisette...
ilotitto 6 months ago
Mi-17s are not old, the overall design might be but the engine, rotor, navigation and weapon system, etc, have all been upgraded to the latest that the Russian Military Industry can offer. Russia might not ship choppers with the latest upgrades thought but they are certainly going to be better than those during the war
BGSoccerMagic 6 months ago
hehe Revenge of the Mi-17, now payed buy the US gov who previosly wanted the machine destroyed by the same mudjahedeen.
BringBackMy9Os 6 months ago 21
Probably its cheaper to buy Russian than American. Replacement parts are easier and faster to procure. I also want to say "they are bullet proof to maintain" although 7.62mm has no mercy on any flying aircraft. You'd be surprised that time tested ,old equipment can still function.
driller62869 6 months ago
i hope ri=Russia took payment in gold
trexx32 6 months ago
So USA run out of money to get some new american-made super-modern-hitech chopers? Or... WHAT? Really strange =)
beta700a 6 months ago
@beta700a u really think they will arm the afghan army with "new american-made super-modern-hitech chopers"? lol they might as well give them bio and nuclear weapons while they are at it huh? NO! the pawns get some good toys to play with but never as good as their masters toys.
GusBariga 6 months ago
ебаные америкосы
RetfilL 6 months ago 3
Rambo could bring it down with a bow.
pukespitter 6 months ago 2
The Mi-17 is cheap to build and reliable. It has its use to a good start. Mi-17 Donkey they could call it if they want. The mainstream media never talked about this. Gee fucking willykers I wonder why?! All hear from them is: IT'S FUCKING WONDERFUL TO BE A FUCKING DEGENERATE! OBAMA HAS YOU FUCKING MADE! No need to fucking save money just fucking piss it away! Thats all I fucking hear from the fucking media unlike Russia Today. Now back to the Mi-17. I would buy one if possible. I could use i
DesertFerret7 6 months ago
When I first saw the title of this video, I though Mark Brandon Read had made a comeback.
Imagine my disappointment when I realized it was about a fucking helicopter.
JockTheRipper88 6 months ago
@JockTheRipper88 Don't you think a whole lot of people would be disappointed if he DID make a "comeback"??
hansjalv 6 months ago
@hansjalv
It depends on which part of the Chopper legend you believe in. Some say he only robbed and tortured drug dealers. Chopper himself was clearly full of shite, but 'Chopper' the movie is one of the best movies ever made.
Some of the quotes are the stuff of legend. You can't beat a few Chopper quotes when you're out on the piss with the lads.
JockTheRipper88 6 months ago
At this point I will be Living w my Russian wife soon. After I finish learning Russian language. Buy my way in if need be legally . 10.years minimum until this Country.(USA )Rebounds and grows some balls.
If God Forbid there is one domestic homeland security terrorist act, lights out. Ashame
D99327 6 months ago
Half will go to taliban. The other half who cares at this pong. People wonder why USA Falls hardest since civil war. When you can't determine allies from enemies than it is time to retire. FURTHERMORE USA MORE VULNERABLE THAN EVER FOR COUNTERINTELLIGENC BREACH IN ALL LEVEL FROM WH TO THE NAVY SEALS. IF THE RECENT US SEAL STORY IS TRUE ; THAN THE US NAVY MILITARY SPECIAL FORCES HAVE A GIANT LEEK OR TWO SOMEWHERE. USA COVERS $100S OF MILLION $ FOR SPECIAL OPPS. CONF/CLANDESTIN PEP. NEVER DYDAWAY
D99327 6 months ago
Funny thing that 22 of these Special Forces guys were from the same unit who killed OSAMA.
Anyone else thinks that this was not accident?
Meyby some cleaning work after Osama removing operation?
Sarissofoi 6 months ago
@Sarissofoi Maybe CIA wanted them to "STFU" and not talking to anyone about the truth about Osama Operation, so they kill them and call it "Accident"
declaration963 6 months ago
America Buying Choppers for Afganistan... While American Students dont even have heat in their classrooms... I cant wait to move to Canada
JUDALATION 6 months ago
USA f35 and f22 are all out of order because they do not work. USA with 42 colonies are in Afghanistan for 11 years and cannot win and will never win because Afghanistan people are not cowards and will never surrender. Usa lost there best navry seals a day ago when Afghanistan shot them down with surace to air missile.
valkyrieQueensrf50lb 6 months ago
@valkyrieQueensrf50lb You are an idiot. Taliban shot them down, not Afghanistan.
Dont parrot biased statements fool. Its good for intellect.
DigitalDNA 6 months ago
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RealNeurotiq 6 months ago
Wow, did Fox/Cnn tell you that? Its an awesome story bro. I mean, I don't want to believe that you rely entirely on news stations owned by only 5 people, none of whom are interested in news and are more prone to spin anything that comes their way. What credible, unbias/agenda-absent, news source did you get this from?
RealNeurotiq 6 months ago
Good, well why not pull some of our troops out of Afgahn?
matty1053 6 months ago
@matty1053 Because our leaders are morons!
ITSbigwillystyle 6 months ago
@ITSbigwillystyle I agree... I swear, Obama should pull 50,000 out of Afgahn. We can't afford to lost more troops.
matty1053 6 months ago
The Beast
TheMarabouStork 6 months ago
russian weapons and equipment. non of its is the most advanced. however its all simple and reliable.
choopdewoot 6 months ago
Wtf America were in debt som much and still were buying crap
TheArmaniModel1 6 months ago
The draconians that are in power over the world are ruled by greed, fear, anger, hate their ego is uber inflated which amplifies thier wickedness. We out number these pathetic monsters thousands to one but are still lost in the illussion of money, money that has since long ago corrupted the human intellect down to the very core and tainted the heart and soul. We have to be more self sustaining and loose our dependence on money and the serpents that control you because of money. Love&PeaceAll
SoulBat1971 6 months ago 2
@SoulBat1971 You believe alien reptiles rule the world?
DvineGaming 6 months ago
Soviet weapons are more cheap thats all there buying for the afghans