@dorot222 That's much too quick. The israelis are busy blowing up his nuclear installations right now. Perhaps they could take shortarse and khameni out while they're at it? I wish.
I notice that Yahoo & News has stopped comments on this article. When I checked the comments were overwhelmingly pro Ahmadinejad or at least what he had said. I guess the truth hurts.
@xdroon3 What you richly deserve is a good smack in the mouth, my friend. I am neither a Jew or a retard. Seems to me that you are the one with the problem however, with your stupid comments and visible lack of the nuances of spelling, grammar and punctuation.
@xdroon3 You're not too good at all with English grammar, are you? I think anybody reading this thread can work out for themselves just who is the retarded one. Seems to me that you and dinnerplate might be closely related. Now stop bothering grown up people you moron, and get a life instead of whining about a factual statement I made months ago. You sad twat.
@greenpenone lol this retard probably thinks the whole world is english. how many languages do you speak? what just english? lol average retarded brit
@xdroon3 Two and several partially. You? Only one retard here and it sure as heck isn't me, Stop guessing because you are wrong again, retard. And stop wasting my time with your foolish guesses.
@xdroon3 You sad bastard. Teletubbies sounds just about your age group. HAHA! And your grammar is still crap. Time for your beddie byes, Tinky Winky. Eh, oh!
@xdroon3 My stupidity? Every post you make shows just how ridiculous you are. I'm not even going to bother asking how many languages you speak because I can see you obviously haven't come anywhere near mastering English yet. Also you seem to have a personality problem in trying to make this a personal attack on me for a comment I made about your hero two months ago. You need to get a life, you sad bastard. Now piss off and bother somebody who cares.
@greenpenone lol thats funny cause every post you make shows just how retarded you are. and yea i would like to see you speak one non english word lol. actually youre not the only one i comment on, i reply to every retarded comment i see so you dont have to cry so hard
@xdroon3 You're a fraud and you're pathetic. Anyone with half a brain can see who the retard is. You. I see you can't even make your own channel, let alone speak any other languages. You sad loser. I have better things to do. If I wanted to hear an arsehole speak I'd fart. Goodbye and good riddance to bad rubbish.
@greenpenone lol why would i make an own channel you fucking retard. how is that an argument? so, are you actually considered smart in your cave monkey country? or are you just the average retard rate?
@greenpenone lol why would i make an own channel you fucking retard. how is that an argument? so, are you actually considered smart in your cave monkey country? or are you just the average retard rate?
@xdroon3@xdroon3 Do you know when to shut up? You've been whining about me now for several days. all because I spoke the truth about your hero. I suggest that you go back to your cave and talk to the monkey you seem so familiar with. I don't believe you speak more than one language, and that badly, but I do believe you are a fraud. Come back when you have three degrees under your belt.
@greenpenone I've better things to do with my time than waste it on an inbred with an attitude problem, so just piss off eh like a good little retard. I have a life to get on with, unlike you. I don't believe you are capable of making your own channel BTW. I won't be responding to your next piece of bile because you’re just not worth the effort. I'm sure people on here can see you for what you are if they even bother to read the rubbish you write. Goodbye and good riddance, moron!
@greenpenone lol ya fucking retard, you just found out that people on the internet are not always honest? lol youre obviously new to computers or just generally retarded. well just a typical brit fag
Liar. it was the muslims who had millions of slaves which they castrated before going to get even more to replace the many who died. The arab slave trade is still going on. I bet that twat can't lie straight in bed.
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Well the european puppet politicians must do something, when someone speaks out about their masters, the Zionist Jews and their international Banking System.
How can these europeans have so low dignity for their fellow citicens and crawl that deep into jewish asses, while admireing them more than themselfes as human beeings. I bet some of them want to become jews as well, so called secret krypto-Jews like Merkel, Obama and many top dogs in europe are...
Well the european puppet politicians must do something, when someone speaks out about their masters, the Zionist Jews and their international Banking System.
How can these europeans have so low dignity for their fellow citicens and crawl that deep into jewish asses, while admireing them more than themselfes as human beeings. I bet some of them want to become jews as well, so called secret krypto-Jews like Merkel, Obama and Sakozy are...
"Equality before law....blah blah blah" hahahaha. In an Iranian court of law (an oxymoron if ever there was one) a woman's word is worth "half" that of a man. What in heaven's name is that supposed to mean. That's equality? This man is one big liar people . This is the context that you believe makes him , this man, a decent human being. You must be joking!
@nevskixx Just because Saudi Arabia(to take one of many) is an 'ally'(lackey) of the United States suddenly their Absolute Monarchy and ten times more severe Shariat Laws are forgotten and an elected leader (however shady) is a manifestation of Caligula even if he talks about generic matters.
@uditchow So all you are telling us is that Saudi Arabia is worse. They are both regrettable systems of government deeply repressive and barbaric. I have every sympathy for the destitute in those countries and for the brave dissidents who speak out. It's easy for us to criticize, but those who risk imprisonment for doing what is right are very brave. Yes, US and European policy should be more circumspect. I agree on this.
@Soulblackman Beheadings in public , unfair trials, women can't walk unchaperoned and a host of other repressive measures, no elections, racist, oppressive to foreign workers. For some this might be an ideal, but not for me thank you.Try this: watch?v=33EpQ4WgqrY. Go to Amnesty International's website
@nevskixx Public executions send a strong message to would-be murderers, rapists, drug-dealers, adulterers. Why would a Muslim woman have a need to go abroad by herself? This is divine protection; that said, I seriously doubt if it's what AM-Nasty Int'l says, anyway. I would imagine it's more along the line of traveling a considerable distance. White people r so racist & arrogant, they don't recognize non-white govts. Iran HAS elections, something they did NOT have under the Shah.
@nevskixx Oppressive to foreign workers? If that's the case, it speaks to more to extreme nationalism. There are unfair trials wherever you go, and don't think Iran is any different than any nation. RACIST? They freed the BLACK hostages in 1979. AGAIN, they HAVE elections. Let's see; I recall off the top of my head, TWO, elected Presidents. Mohammed Katami and Mahood Ahmdinijad. I'm sick & tired of white America trying to dictate to other nations. You did that crap in Vietnam, Iraq-Iran (war)...
@Soulblackman So for you, this is all a black and white man issue? Sorry mate, but I don't see it that way. Sadly Iran is noted as one of the most oppressive governments in the world with power vested in the Supreme leader, Ali Khatemi, one below the almighty who fixed elections. Ahmadi Nejad's government is illegal. Trials? No, they are not trials, they are purges with thousands tortured and beaten and many executed. Colour? No prejudice on who they kill? Is one to suppose that's fair?
@nevskixx U said racist.It's white nations that talk about fixed elections; which didn't seem to be an issue w/u w/Katami. Iran is a theological democracy. This country supported S. Africa, calling it a democracy when blacks could NOT vote. IF Ahmad was pro-west & allowed western filth, then he'd be ALRIGHT! I do NOT believe it's ANYWHERE near as bad as white people say and I KNOW not as bad as when the Shah was there. He had NO elections, yet u all cry at Iran's policy w/regards to Ali.Khamemi.
@nevskixx You are not know-it-alls. Ur arrogance is historic and world-reknown. Who are YOU to determine the legality or any sovereign nation, especially here, when at least since 1960,there have been VERY questionable issues about presidential election results? I don't believe AM-Nasty Int'l for a minute; China probably kills and oppresses MORE, and this country is BUDDIES with them. Elections in China? Can the Palestinians elect a PM of THEIR choice, in THEIR land ?
@Soulblackman I am not sure I understand your points. As I try to understand you, you support Ahmadi Nejad's government, it's better than the USA and China, who are worse because Iran is not white? And by the way you say, you support the Palestinians right to elect a PM. And you don't believe Amnasty
@nevskixx I am not going to allow any white-American-liberal organ to color my thinking. I am not an expert on Iran, but i know they've been under attack since they threw out the Shah in '79. A yr into their existence as an Islamic Republic, America got their friend, Saddam, to attack, causing the deaths of 3 mill. America supports China, who executes business crooks, yet condemns Iran. China does NOT have elections, Iran DOES! I try to listen to the counter-side, especially in light of history.
@Soulblackman "I am not going to allow any white-American-liberal organ to color my thinking". You don't have to. Just listen to what he says - 9/11 was an American plot. Let's examine the facts about the Holocaust etc etc. we are building nuclear power stations for peaceful purposes.El Baredei has confirmed Iran is in breach of the non-proliferation treaty, Iran is building long range missiles that will be capable of carrying a nuclear payload. Death to Amerikabla bla.Wake up smell the coffee!
@nevskixx What I find interesting, is that when Michael Moore said this, he was a HERO! NOW, all of the sudden, when Ahmad mentioned (AFTER saying the 3K deaths were tragic) that there were 3 SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT regarding 9/11, ONE of which was an American conspiracy, u whites get indignant. Shah, placed there by USA, NO ELECTION, NO call for "democracy". Katemi and Ahmadinejad, ELECTED, disingenuous calls for "democracy". Iraq, goaded into attacking Iran by the USA, 3 million KILLED, NO call
@nevskixx for democracy in Iraq. ANY Nation has the right to arm itself in light of threats vs. it. We should examine ALL facets of HISTORY. HELL, u don't even want to examine the HISTORY if Iran, since 1979. Ur just mad that the Ayatollah freed BLACK PEOPLE! He says his nukes are for peace, PERIOD! His PERSONAL position on 9/11 or the holocaust should have NOT bearing on his RIGHT to have a military. Problem is that whites believe only THEY should do so.
@nevskixx In my view, the notion of fixed elections is propaganda by the west, because they DEMAND Uncle Toms in that part of the world. So they have to slander and lie. Iran's constitution is THEIRS. Personally, I don't care if they were a monarchy, as it was with the SHAH. If Ali Kameni is fair and just, that's all that matters to ME. If not, then there's a problem. What whites refuse to accept, is that in IRAN, he is their living constitution, primarily to ensure Islamic compliance.
@Soulblackman "If Ali Kameni is fair and just, that's all that matters to ME. If not, then there's a problem" . Fair and just mm. The leadership, which controls Iran via the Iranian Republican Guard is anything but. The system functions through various fronts , policed by the IRG and is answerable to Khameini. The Judiciary is clearly compromised and Iran is engaged in widespread torture and summary justice. I agree, there is a problem and the extent of it.
@nevskixx That's what the American & European press says. What's interesting, they ran that SAME CRAP with Robert Mugabe is Zimbabwe. ANYONE white America hates, their VICTORIES are "suddenly" fixed.
@Soulblackman "That's what the American & European press says..." There is plenty of criticism over the US and its ME policies in the American and European press as well, but that does not make what is happening in Iran as being right. At the moment it is quite content to undermine Lebanon, through its supplies of weapons to its proxy armies, attack community centres in South America and basically propagate revisionist history AND fix elections!
@nevskixx I'm NOT here to suggest Iran is perfect, but I KNOW they've been attacked since 79 & KNOW that the white nations still have her in the x-hairs. White people believe that 4 MILLIONS of non-whites to die, it's just COLLATERAL damage. Iran is a nation in development. When the SHAH was boss in IRAN, YOU DIDN'T CARE, NOW you want to DICTATE to IRAN! HYPOCRITES! They said their nukes are peaceful! He did NOT say he wants to wipe Israel off the map! Anti-zionist? YES, as r ALL orthodox Jews!
@Soulblackman The thread that runs through your argument is that the colour of skin seems to overrides any other consideration. A yes he DID say he wanted to wipe Israel off the map and Iran's proxy, Nasrallah DID declare war on all Jews. And nukes can never be peaceful. They could be a deterrent, but with nukes in the hands of theocrats some of who believe in speeding up the coming of the Mahdi, one wonders what "peaceful" means. They say one thing and DO the opposite.
@nevskixx He predicted the end of ZIONISM, NOT Israel! When I say NUKES, I mean PEACEFUL ENERGY! In WHITE SUPREMACY, only WHITE nations can have NUKE-WEAPONS; USA, Russia, UK, ISRAEL, though India, Pakistan, China & N. Korea do as well. UR paranoid about the Mahdi. Don't know much about him, myself, but CHRISTIANS believe in the return of Jesus, who will SLAY THE WICKED! Nasrallah is NO Iranian! And BTW, he is a SEMITE! There is NO proof that Iran supports Hezbollah!
@Soulblackman Wipe Israel 'off the map' Iranian says
By Nazila Fathi
Published: Thursday, October 27, 2005
TEHRAN — Iran's conservative new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said Wednesdaythat Israel must be "wiped off the map" and that attacks by Palestinians would destroy it, the ISNA press agency reported.Ahmadinejad was speaking to an audience of about 4,000 students at a program called "The World Without Zionism," on the last Friday of the holy month of Ramadan.
@nevskixx WHITE PRESS again! He did NOT say that Israel should be wiped from the map. The title CLEARLY speaks to his intent - ZIONISM is the real enemy. THINK about it; why would he call for the wiping out of a land that is owned by the Palestinians? In your propaganda machine, you make it seem like we're watching a JAMES BOND movie, with Ahmad as one of the villains like Goldfinger, Dr. No or Mr. Big.His NOT talking about attacking & destroying Israel and U guys KNOW it! He couldn't even DO IT
@Soulblackman " THINK about it; why would he call for the wiping out of a land that is owned by the Palestinians" I've thought about it. He, and like most of the Arab world do not much care for Palestinians. He did not have to say it if he did not mean it. Capability is not the issue at the moment, but once nuclear weapons are obtained, we are likely to witness even worse times than we have now and not even James Bond will be able to resolve it, White Press or no White Press.
@nevskixx To what POSSIBLE END would he use nukes on ANYONE? This would mean the very DESTRUCTION of his & ALL of the nations in that region! YOU might want to paint him as a wild-eyed fanatic, but you BACKED THE SHAH - NO democracy, yet, you SUDDENLY want it, when in FACT, Iran IS a democracy; Saudi,Jordan, Kuwait are NOT, but since they're BUDDIES, it's OK! Israel has NUKES, but since they're WHITE & USA's FRIEND, it's ok! Iran says it does NOT want nuke weapons & U CANNOT prove otherwise!
@nevskixx You expect me to blindly go by the BIASED, SUMMARIES of the white press, and NOT think for MYSELF! I'll just do THAT, thank you very MUCH! How do YOU know how much or not, the Arab world cares about the Palestinians? WHO told you this? Does this STILL justify their land being taken from them? Being displaced from THEIR homes, not being able to DEMOCRATICALLY elect a Palestinian to be PM of Israel? PULL-LEASE!
@Soulblackman Perhaps you can explain to us why all of a sudden Fidel Castro has chosen to warn Iran against using such terms and also against denying the Holocaust. My friend, Iran is a problem whatever you or i say, white or black. . Nothing to do with white press. Palestinian elections? - Democratic elections they were but the kind of democracy that allows the incumbent to murder its opposition.
@nevskixx NOW ur pro-CASTRO? When MA "denied" the holocaust, he did so, rhetorically. At Columibia U., when ? about it, he distanced himself from that statement, bringing up the issue as to WHY the Palestinians have to PAY for what the Nazis did. M. Katemi said the holocaust is a "fact of history". EVEN IF AM feels this way, it has NOTHING to do w/Iran's democracy which is BETTER than the NON-DEMOCRACY of the SHAH. What murders do you speak? MORE white propaganda? U hate self-determination.
@Soulblackman As far as I understand it Hamas was elected, and 200 Fatah members were murdered, so of whom were taken to the top of buildings and thrown off the roof. Very democratic!
@nevskixx IF that happened, it was dead, WRONG and I CONDEMN it. Just like I CONDEMN the arrogance, distortions and LIES against Iran, on the part of the white nations. IF MA was overthrown and the winners did the SAME as Hamas did, you & the REST OF the white nations would REJOICE at it, just like you REJOICED when the Shah MURDERED dissidents. Hey, he might be a despot, but he's YOUR despot!
@Soulblackman I'm afraid your factually incorrect. Palestinians did elect their own leaders in freely run elections. I have nothing against the process, but elected leaders bear a responsibility to govern and ensure that the system runs in a just and democratic way. What happened after the elections can only be described as murderous, Its nothing to do with the US or Israel or Iran or black and white. It's plain murder
@Soulblackman I'm afraid you're factually incorrect. Palestinians did elect their own leaders in freely run elections. I have nothing against the process, but elected leaders bear a responsibility to govern and ensure that the system runs in a just and democratic way. What happened after the elections can only be described as murderous, Its nothing to do with the US or Israel or Iran or black and white. It's plain murder
@nevskixx I'm not talking about a carved-out colony known as the P.A. but the GREATER land that was STOLEN from them. There is NO ambiguity or illusion on what happened in 1948. Funny, ur last line, because it would seem the USA would LOVE to pin those on Iran. We have a fundamental fissure on how we see Iran. You see them as a threat to the world, I see them as a willing partner to the world effort, despite being the victim of an instigated, 8yr war which caused MILLIONS of lives.
@Soulblackman Listen, I do not call for an "end" to Iran. I do not advocate destruction or unceasing violence with that country. What I do see though is a clear and present danger to the world. It has a murderous system. It is more sophisticated than Iraq was, but that country too had nuclear ambitions with intent to destroy Israel. That is why the Osirak Reactor, was destroyed. Iran, my Iranian clients tell me is not to be trusted. No, they did not support the Shah either.
@nevskixx I see them as a growing nation, who has been the target of CIA-Mossad efforts to undermine their Islamic way of life, who despite perhaps, some serious errors, are committed to perfecting a theocratic democracy, which has never existed in recent history. I find it disturbing, but not surprising, that whites DEMAND they get what they have ALREADY, yet make no such demands on Saudi, Jordan, Monaco, Kuwait, Bahrain, Sudan, N.Korea or China. China brutalizes Fulan Gong, we're told, but
@Soulblackman It's one thing to be critical of American politics. To a degree, the US has misused its dominant position in the safeguarding its own interests than to bring stability, when it is able. The same applies to Britain. However, despite their faults, the regimes themselves have a choice, but cultural and religious anomalies prevent advancement very often. Iran is blessed with mineral reserves but lacks know-how to exploit them and is dependent.
@Soulblackman If it were to play its part under treaties that it has signed then it would benefit. It chooses not to. Therefore it chooses not to be a willing power but a rising aggressive superpower. Much of what you say about Iran could easily apply to what people believed about Germany in the 1930s.
@nevskixx Nonsense. Iran, UNLIKE Iraq & America, has NOT invaded nations, causing the deaths of MILLIONS! They want to be left ALONE, but whites will NEVER forgive that their EGOS were bruised, since THEIR BOY the Shah, was DEPOSED! USA & Europe ALSO protected or given haven to Batista, Duvallier, Ian Smith, John Vorster, Ben. Netanyahu, and have the NERVE to talk about Iran, who has attacked or invaded ANYONE! You must really play into this Dr. No, Mr. Big, Jaws FANTASY!
@nevskixx Why? Theocratic = God at the center of the laws & statutes. Democracy = the people elect the leaders who understand the rule of God and HIS standards.
@Soulblackman As it stands, under theocracy of yours, a woman's word is worth a "half " of a man's. Apart from the barmy idea of having such a concept, how are the Iranians moving towards a democracy? (Just as a tiny example of your crazy theory)
@nevskixx Apatheid SA, a Black COULD NOT vote, YET, USA, Israel, the rest of the white world recognized it as a DEMOCRACY! A Palestinian CANNOT elect a Palestinian in HIS OWN LAND, yet Israel is called a DEMOCRACY. from what I'm told, there is an INTERPRETATION of Islamic law that says a woman's testimony is 1/2 a man's. I ? this, as the Quran makes mention of a woman witness for contracts ONLY. IF Iran takes it to that level, WHICH I doubt (that would almost be like saying their votes are 1/2
@nevskixx a man's (I forgot, that during SLAVERY, USA was considered a DEMOCRACY), which is not the case. I am not qualified to go into the greater details of accepted, Islamic Law, but I suspect the west, AS USUAL, distorts & lies. In Iran, UNLIKE, China, Saudi, Kuwait, Jordan, N. Korea, Egypt, Bahrain, etc., Iran, which is YOUNGER nation, is a DEMOCRACY, yet it would stand to reason, the Muslim nations I noted, have the same 1/2 policy! WHERE'S USA & co. in their INDIGNATION w/them?
@nevskixx Let's look at another angle here. In the USA, a woman is NOT required to register for Selective Service, and in divorce cases, the courts USUALLY favor HER, especially when it comes to children. In a sense here, we have a built-in "bias" against men & for women. Intrinsically, in d-court, a man is already seen as the culprit, so his word is "diminished" at the onset. Again, the understanding of Islamic scholars extends beyond what the Qur'an says, but that speaks to a bigger issue
@nevskixx Under the Shah, NO ONE voted. Yet, he was the DARLING of the white nations. As I said earlier, you & I have a fundamental conflict on how we see this. You see Iran as a threat, an aggressor, a bully, while I see them as an independent, sovereign nation, who has endured an American-European-ARAB instigated war, has PROGRESSED to democracy WITHOUT being invaded, is under constant threat, especially after being branded a part of the Axis of Evil. I do NOT suggest they are perfect, but I
@nevskixx KNOW the history of the white nations, who as long as they could USE these nations, they could have wiped out 1/2 of their populations, & as Long as they played the party line, they were supported with MONEY & good standing. WHO was crying for democracy in Iraq when Sadaam was MURDERING Kurds & using chemical AND biological weapons against them AND Iran? As I said, in YOUR world, these are nothing but sand niggers, who are subject to YOUR WHIMS and disposal! Some folks AINT HAVING IT!
@nevskixx One last thing, as I wrap up this discourse, the issue of testimony in court is complex, & here's why I say this. Given this 1/2 issue, I know that for most crimes, especially illegal sex or theft, 4 witnesses are required; the former, clearly in the Quran, while the other is accepted as hadith or tradition. I think it very simplistic to suggest that if a woman has a grievance,her word is diminished, because it's 1/2. 1/2 of what? It is true that in contract matters, two women are req
@Soulblackman You readily condemn the US and the "White" thinkng, but readily forgive the atrocious cruelty that persists and the barbaric antisemitism that is propagated daily which is blessed by religious leaders. There is much more to this. I do not believe that you would really continue to voice such strong opinions if you were personally affected. The roots now stem deeply from within the Iranian regime and you are looking at MA with too much reverance.
@nevskixx I do not revere AM, but simply recognize that his country has been under ATTACK since '79. I realize that there are wrong done in some of these "Islamic" nations, but we still need to define barbaric. The fact remains, ultra-ortho Jews want a strict observance of Torah, which would be considered barbaric by 2day's "standards". ARABS r SEMITES! Iran, which u CLAIM is so bad, has the LARGEST Jewish pop in the ME outside of the outlaw state of Israel. True, many did leave & I would HOPE
@nevskixx that zealots DO NOT harass them, due to misunderstanding of Islam, which respects religious freedom, especially those who follow Jesus & Moses; Christians & Jews.
@Soulblackman I couldn't open the link. 1 of the challenges to Muslims in general, is the proper dispensation of Islamic Law, in the modern era, NOT from the standpoint of appeasing the west, but to delve deeply into the spirit of what God wants, and to examine certain jurisprudence w/respect to the Quran. Much of what is called Sharia, is not in Quran at all, but traditions, which are not eternal. That said, there are certain things that according to Islam are WRONG, some of which are
@nevskixx I saw some brief Wikis. UNDERSTAND, I do NOT condone maltreatment of peoples. IF there's excess or going beyond the bounds in jurisprudence, it should be CONDEMNED! DON'T tell me about pre-emptive aggression on innocents as IF I would condone it. This is NOT the topic of discussion. We have a FUNDAMENTAL difference in how we see the world, especially when it comes to white people messing with the NON-WHITE world. Your people invade, mess up the culture, pillage non-whites, then get MAD
@Soulblackman A recent law was passed, or restored about forbidding Arabs to sell land to Jews threatening the death penalty to anyone who did. Mr Shoebat posted a comment which I will quote. "When Abdul Qader Al-Husseni was appointed by Haj Amin (Adolf Hitler’s puppet) to execute so many chieftans (Mukhtars) in the whole region. Anyone that was considered peaceful or had connection with the Jews were to be executed. Of course, the Hussenis sold land to Jews yet they were immune.
@Soulblackman " I should know this, my grand father was one of these who escaped the massacre due to his connections with the Husseini family. Many were not so lucky...
@Soulblackman "This massacre between 1936 and 1938 carried out by Husseni’s men is so well known and well documented which included Sheikh Daoud Ansari (Imam of Al Aqsa Mosque), Sheikh Ali Nur el Khattib (Al Aqsa Mosque), Sheikh Nusbi Abdal Rahim (Council of Muslim Religious Court), Sheikh Abdul el Badoui (Acre, Palestine), Sheikh El Namouri (Hebron), and Nasr El Din Nassr (Mayor of Hebron). Between Feb. 1937
@Soulblackman "and Nov. 1938, eleven Mukhtars (community leaders) and their entire families were slain by Amin al Husseni’s men."
Not a white or Black in sight. And why should Black people see this any differently. Cannot whites too have an understanding of Black history and empathise or sympathise with Black People or anyone else who has suffered Mmm?
@Soulblackman This is not about being indignant or staring back. It's about legitimate recognition, security and protection of citizens. It is a world issue. Whilst Racialism against Black people had and still does affect millions of people, to apply a one dimensional approach that it is something that can be superimposed on any conflict that it is the West (white) against the rest of the world (the Blacks) is oversimplistic and erroneous.
@nevskixx It absolutely does. Iran is a sovereign nation that has been under ideological & physical attack, whereby MILLIONS have died. Of COURSE, they're leery & wary. I'm just pointing out that the white nations have a HISTORY of messing w/other nations, starting coups, creating discord, fomenting wars, then acting indignant when the fruits of THEIR actions stare them in the face. My view is not as simplistic as you're implying. I'm challenging you on the validity of ur ire against Iran..
@Soulblackman I'm well aware of some of the background to Iran's position with that raises suspicion of the US. There is certainly a case for the US to answer, but it was Iraq who also has to answer, and now faces pressure from Iran , at least through the Shia population to link with Iran despite strong differences. Let's not forget too that during the terrible Iraq war, the US supplied weapons to Iran as well!
@Soulblackman Whilst I appreciate that it does not comply with your world view, the Iran - Contra affair was quite a big scandal in 1986 during the Reagan administration in 1986 facilitating arms sales to Iran. Perhaps I can't convince you in a BILLION years, but I might hope to do it in a day!
@nevskixx I would HARDLY equate a few PEA SHOOTERS or whatever Iran received, to the PLETHORA of WMDs, INCLUDING chemical & biological weapons it got from the USA & Europe. AGAIN, USA / Europe STARTED this bloody war, with their ONCE FRIEND, Saddaam Hussein. Yrs. later, HE sure learned who his "friends" were!
@nevskixx Christianity has Jesus asking "he who is without sin cast the first stone", implying that no such person exists and warns accusers to be aware of their own failings before starting to condemn others ie to speak on behalf of the Almighty.As for corruption, one can get off charges as well as be rewarded in high positions knowing the right people. This is less likely in France for example. The bent cops or judges when discovered are arrested. Can't say the same about Iran though.
@nevskixx Jesus also made reference to Sodom & Gomorrah, and its present-day manifestation as a sign of THE LAST DAYS! Of course, none of us is perfect, but if we were preclude ourselves from judging, because of our imperfections, it would make no sense to condemn anyone for being wrong.
@nevskixx using history as a backdrop in accessing the intent of such ire and the illegitimacy of it as well. I do NOT agree w/Iran or ANY Muslim nation stoning people to death; it's not Quran. Even more so, the great potential is that only the WOMAN is left holding the bag, sort of speak. But Islam is zero tolerance w/sex crimes, period. Either way, there's going to be a punishment. They ALSO execute rapists. CHINA executes embezzlers, something we in the west would consider DRACONIAN!
@nevskixx Where's the OUTRAGE and INDIGNATION from the USA / UN, when such convicted are shot in the back of the head for a crime OTHER than murder, rape, drug trafficking, espionage? Granted, the idea of stoning conjures more of a repulsive reaction than does a bullet, which at LEAST is quick. I'M repulsed by stoning! But let's be consistent. China kills Fulan Gong and she's America's FRIEND and PARTNER!
@Soulblackman Like you, I too am repulsed. What you also however do not deal with is the corruption of the legal system. Take the Ashianti case. First it was several lashes which were carried out. She was acquited of murder but found guilty of adultery. Stoning was the sentence. But the world objected. Instead they beat her black and blue and got her to confess to murder on TV. Now she is to be hanged for murder. She is Azeri and the hearings were conducted in Farsi. Fair trial??
@nevskixx From where I stand, she got a raw deal. I'm not in Iran, nor do I read their papers. Again, stoning is not in Quran, yet many Muslims institute it. I do NOT know if she is guilty, but IF they beat her to confess, hell, I'D confess to what SHE did if i was tortured.
@Soulblackman It's not of course just her. She and many many others get a raw deal. You have asked , why people don't react as much to these sorts of matters with other countries. People do react, but in the case of Iran, which is openly hostile using western technology acquired for "peaceful" purposes, finding them being used for military purposes that reveals that this country has potentially other intentions that are not ignored.
@nevskixx If Iran & the rest of the ME were not reject using western tech, they'd be called backwards & primitive. I will say it again, the ME, eve n though in MY OPINION, would be better served NOT to be so mesmerized by western tech (spirituality is MORE important), they ONLY, outwardly reject western, moral/social culture, especially as it seeks to weave its way into eastern/Islamic culture & mores'.
@Soulblackman You have misunderstood. Companies in Europe acquire export licences to sell products to Iranian companies for peaceful usage eg cranes for construction, speed boats only to find that these companies are IRG front companies. The cranes bought can be seen in photographs of public execution with bodies hanging from them. The speed boats sold by a Swedish company were converted to carry missiles and used to ram oil tankers in the Gulf . Peaceful indeed!
@Soulblackman There are deep underlying cultural internal reasons within societies of the middle east, governed by tribal codes and religion that too cannot and must not be ignored. Palestinians like Shoebat are saying "we" do not wish the excesses of the cruelty, the lies the fake conspiracy theories and suffering to be ignored. Is it right that one should not raise voice in support of such people?
@nevskixx I am not here to defend extremism, some of which stems from tribalism, which goes beyond the pale of what scripture says. There's a lot of IGNORANCE, even in the ME. But this has very LITTLE to do w/the central issue, Iran /AM and their sovereignty, whereby attempts have been made to undermine since 1979. Oppression & cruelty should be opposed by all and against all who would be guilty. America SUPPORTED Sadaam, Shah & now CHINA, which they say is so bad w/regards to human rights.
@nevskixx unfortunately, these became mantras after the Shah, who was America & Isreal's friend, was deposed. However, while not outwardly articulated, isn't this what both these nations wish for Iran? And DON'T use "it's not the people, but the government", MY response is, "khomeni said HIS issue was not with the American people, but the government". Same viewpoint, different vantage point. Obviously when America cajoled Iraq to ATTACK Iran, causing the death of MILLIONS, they had "Death to
@Soulblackman Which US Government? Which Israeli Government? A mantra certainly a death wish certainly too, to be implemented when ready to do so - not with a bomb at first you understand if other means are available, but if neccessary. When someone threatens when they do not appear to have the power, we take it lightheartedly. Ignore it? Iran is tied to agreements not to use the recent ly activated station for peaceful usage. But what are the sanctions when it decides to break that agreement?
@nevskixx Iran's facilities are inspected and BELIEVE me, the CIA, mossad and other spy networks honeycomb that nation. At the same time, they are NOT children and should NOT be spoken to as such; making DEMANDS. But, that's WHITE FOLKS for ya' !
@Soulblackman If a country has signed up to obligations and breaks them and is acting in a hostile way then do not expect the nation targeted is likely to ignore this potential threat. Hezbollah is supplied by Iran and Syria and Russia is now sending pilotless planes to Syria , who in turn is likely to hand this over to Hezbolla and Hamas. It's a very dirty business. Nothing to do with Whites or Blacks.
@nevskixx There is NO PROOF to such assertions. AMERICA supports mercenaries & CIA killers. So, if Russia is supplying these bad peoples, GO AFTER THEM! USA attacked Iraq in 91, because they attacked Kuwait, but didn't DARE attack USSR in 80, when THEY attacked Afghanistan!
@Soulblackman I accept that US had some serious lack of foresight over its policies in Afghanistan by backing the Taliban against the Soviets. At the time, weakening the USSR overrode any consideration, the result of which The US now have learned to its dismay.The Russian support given today to Iran in my view is the way that support is now being reciprocated, but that policy too is also shortsighted. remember the Molotov - Ribbentrop Agreement?
@nevskixx I think its an insult to correlate the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement, UNLESS you're implying that Russia will, at the behest of the USA & other white nations, attack Iran.
@Soulblackman You misunderstood my point. I was referring to shortsightedness of policy. The US aided the Taliban to weaken the Soviets. Fast forward a few years and the US finds itself in conflict with the same group. The Soviets and Nazis made a pact not to go to war against one another and to carve up Poland together.Result war. Fast forward a few years, the Russians see no nuclear threat to them and lend support to Iran which could weaken the west. They too could end up targeted.Understand?
@nevskixx I don't believe it was a Taliban back then, though the ideology was somewhat akin. Taliban for the most part, were from Pakistan or at the border, who only came out in light of complete chaos, where women and boys were being raped wholesale and thrown off cliffs. I do not see the Nazi-Soviet pact anywhere NEAR, having the same implication as the Iran-Russian. Times have changed, and I do NOT believe after Iran-Iraq, USSR-Afghan, USA-Iraq (2), USA-Afghan, that EITHER has the stomach
@Soulblackman It was the Taliban back then and after the Russians were ousted, they took power. And what a hell that power took on people living in the region. We have today an insurgency in Pakistan of Taliban.
@nevskixx for war. I believe that Iran is TOO intelligent to use it's nuclear program to develop a weapon, ESPECIALLY with Russia & others withing their proximity. If anything, with all of this GREEN stuff about NOT using fossil fuels, PLUS trying to bankrupt Iran via oil, it makes SENSE that they seek cheap, alternative fuel for their nation, and nuclear is AN ANSWER! Like I said, they've been in the crosshairs since 79 & have lost MILLIONS in people & frozen assets, ALL for overthrowing a
@nevskixx TYRANT! This is the thing that cracks ME up! IF the Shah had been a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED President, I could UNDERSTAND the west's indignation, but when was HIS fair & open election? Frankly, I was IMPRESSED that Iran, after a while, had elections, something you DON'T see in N. Korea, Saudi, Kuwait, Oman, Jordan, Sudan, Baharain, China, Morocco, YET we keep hearing about how IRAN has to step up! Is their corruption in the process? NAME the "democratic" nation where this doesn't exist!
@Soulblackman What would have been better? To live under Stalin or live under Hitler? You keep repeating this point about the oppressive nature of the Shah's regime. The considered wisdom at the moment is that life for Iranians today in many aspects is significantly worse than it was.Replacing one bastard for another is not an argument, whether one had US support or the other doesn't
@nevskixx There is no way a nation, considering the intervention by America & the OTHER white powers, could be worse than under the TYRANT, SHAH! I see a strong people, committed to God's way, in light of the intense interference. As I said, they're in the crosshairs, and every brother 'aint a BROTHER there. Then again, they're ONLY 31 years OLD! IF whites want to change the condition of a people, INVADE CHINA, who we're told, oppresses MILLIONS!
@Soulblackman I don't make this up. There are enough eyewitness accounts from people within living memory who recall the times during the Shah and the present, many of whom had welcomed Khomeini initially, and who see a more oppressive system in place today with "religious" laws stifling personal freedoms, particularly against women, and run by corrupt government. Many already had warned about Khomeini. And what about Salman Rushdi and the disgraceful fatwas.
@nevskixx The problem for many is that they'd developed tastes for the decadent, western vs. Islamic life.I'm always curious to hear about these "freedoms", especially when it comes to women; so now, they can't wear mini-dresses, go wild, publicly display themselves as in the Days of Ignorance or Sodom & Gommorah. In a CIVILIZED society, as this ONCE was, u protect the sanctity & virtue of the woman. I'll admit the fatwa vs. Rushdi is WRONG, but people have got to get out of this "freedom"
@Soulblackman Women are discriminated, whether it is religious based or otherwise. Educated women are barred from a number of jobs. They cannot become judges for example. They cannot divorce their husbands and many endure abusive relationships. Children have been hanged. This is a corrupt society, MA in this particular clip talks about "injustice" everywhere except his own back yard!
@nevskixx It is an opinion of Islamic scholars that judgeships are a male occupation, as it represents the man's role as leader. I do NOT believe they cannot divorce their husbands, because Islam allows it. Frankly, I don't know the overall view in Iran, with divorce in general. Islam considers divorce, while permitted, is HATED by God. This society allows divorce TOO easy, which has a deleterious impact on the CHILDREN. In Islam, the first role of the woman is that of wife & mother.
@nevskixx This is NOT feminism, where the roles become blurred & eventually obscured & destroyed. Women are TOO masculine in the west, partly due to having them go out of their natural roles. The Iranians understand something about the natural roles of male & female. Today, children are disobedient to parents and authority LARGELY because the woman has been taken out of the homes. Besides, by and large, female judges tend to judge on emotionality; GREATLY ruling against men in divorce cases.
@nevskixx As a RULE, divorce cases favor the WOMAN, which in ITSELF, according to this country, is discriminatory. Women here are NOT required to register for Selective Service. But let's just say that ur pts. are valid & in proper perspective, this does NOT make Iran a threat to ME! Here in the USA, there are Hassidim Jews, who do NOT allow their women to work outside the home. They CANNOT get a divorce, unless the husband gives the GET! NO ONE here calls them oppressive! In fact, politicians
@nevskixx cater to them! I don't know WHY children are hanged in Iran. Maybe MURDER? Well, we've taken a different approach here, deeming them to be NOT RESPONSIBLE for their murders! I need more info on the hangings. AGAIN, the SHAH, America's FRIEND, had SAVAK, who MURDERED Iranians! Yet, he did NOT have to face Crimes Against Humanity! Given me a BREAK! Why don't you WHITE People leave people ALONE? ALWAYS interfering! INVADE CHINA! INVADE RUSSIA!
@Soulblackman I suggest you read a few books on the subject. Amir Taheri, Executive Editor of Kayhan, Iran's largest newspaper strongly supports Dr Emanuele Ottolenghi's impeccable scholarship in his book "Under a Mushroom Cloud". Perhaps can then have other discussions on this topic. Taheri has also written extensively. Have you purchased the other books I have recommended, yet?
@nevskixx crumble its infrastructure. Like it or not, Islam is not about letting women or men, cavort about, like they do in the west. Women like Snookie, Kardashian, Madonna, Gaga, Lohan, who are either hos or lesbians, are REWARDED for their abominations. There's NO doubt in my mind, this is the type of "freedom" that the white nations would LOVE to see in Iran & other Muslim nations; GUARANTEED, sex tourism would increased 100-FOLD if that happened. Back to Rushdie, what was missed by Muslims
@Soulblackman I'm not a fan of Gaga, Madonna . To me they appear vulgar, but then what is the opposie that is being proposed. My view is that the west has targeted its outlook far to excessively on consumerism and materialism, that it could do better by aiming to improve on education and to teach tolerance and to accept difference. You Soul strike me as a believer. If the Creator's Design was with difference then it is up to us to work out how to live with it and not to destroy it.
@nevskixx Thus, we have the issue of women and culture of any nation. It becomes extremely HYPOCRITICAL for a nation to make ICONS of these HARLOTS, to criticize a nation or NATIONS that are trying to RESTORE their Godly dignity and respect as wives, mothers and the foundation of a nation's culture AND survival. Of COURSE, we're not robots, but the Islamic nations look on in HORROR, at this debauchery, and then WORSE, to suggest they have to get "democracy" in order to parrot this SAME MESS!
@Soulblackman Islamic nations are repressed societies, largely ignorant and with some countries with over 80%illiteracy.. I think it is you and me who should be looking at this with horror. Don't you?
@nevskixx THIS country is trying to destroy the moral tone of the Islamic nations, and REMEMBER, the morals of Islam are VERY close to those of Christianity & Judaism, which is CLAIMED by this country. They'd LOVE to showcase Iranian Madonnas and Gagas as "PROOF" of "freedom" and "democracy".
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MrWHOGIVESAFUK 2 days ago
SHUT UP GREENPENONE..........
leylakurda 1 month ago
Ahmadinejad i Love you so much from pakistan... You bestestestest ... great main..
Qamber69eli 2 months ago
jewish dislike ... jewish i fuck you
Qamber69eli 2 months ago
I want him done like Gaddafi
dorot222 3 months ago
@dorot222 That's much too quick. The israelis are busy blowing up his nuclear installations right now. Perhaps they could take shortarse and khameni out while they're at it? I wish.
greenpenone 1 month ago
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Google "Did Six Million Really Die?" The holohoax is mostly bullshit.
JackTiger9 3 months ago
This fascist, authoritarian, intolerant, anti semite giving a speech about racism?? Am I missing something?? The UN is simply a joke.
EliminateIgnorance 3 months ago
@EliminateIgnorance shut your fucking jew mouth
xdroon3 1 month ago
The person that said zionism is a type of racism is giving a speech to the UN Anti Racism Conference?
Dear lord..
TheSroh 3 months ago
I notice that Yahoo & News has stopped comments on this article. When I checked the comments were overwhelmingly pro Ahmadinejad or at least what he had said. I guess the truth hurts.
deano3433 4 months ago
Blimey, the place nearly emptied after five minutes of dinnerplates's lies. It didn't tell him anything though.
greenpenone 4 months ago
What a lying, hypocritical turd.
greenpenone 4 months ago
@greenpenone nice try kike
xdroon3 1 month ago
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@xdroon3 nice try kike? On your bike!
greenpenone 1 month ago
@xdroon3 Go back to your cave, pigs bladder!
greenpenone 1 month ago
@greenpenone shut yer jew mouth retard
xdroon3 1 month ago
@xdroon3 What you richly deserve is a good smack in the mouth, my friend. I am neither a Jew or a retard. Seems to me that you are the one with the problem however, with your stupid comments and visible lack of the nuances of spelling, grammar and punctuation.
greenpenone 1 month ago
@greenpenone well you obviously deserve a good smack on your retarded head, cause youre obviously retarded
xdroon3 1 month ago
@xdroon3 You're not too good at all with English grammar, are you? I think anybody reading this thread can work out for themselves just who is the retarded one. Seems to me that you and dinnerplate might be closely related. Now stop bothering grown up people you moron, and get a life instead of whining about a factual statement I made months ago. You sad twat.
greenpenone 1 month ago
@greenpenone lol this retard probably thinks the whole world is english. how many languages do you speak? what just english? lol average retarded brit
xdroon3 1 month ago
@xdroon3 Two and several partially. You? Only one retard here and it sure as heck isn't me, Stop guessing because you are wrong again, retard. And stop wasting my time with your foolish guesses.
greenpenone 1 month ago
@greenpenone what english and teletubbies? that doesnt count retard. try harder
xdroon3 1 month ago
@xdroon3 You sad bastard. Teletubbies sounds just about your age group. HAHA! And your grammar is still crap. Time for your beddie byes, Tinky Winky. Eh, oh!
greenpenone 1 month ago
@greenpenone lol dont blame me for yoru stupidity. i know you lazy english fucktards, proud to speak ONE language. lol so funny
xdroon3 1 month ago
@xdroon3 My stupidity? Every post you make shows just how ridiculous you are. I'm not even going to bother asking how many languages you speak because I can see you obviously haven't come anywhere near mastering English yet. Also you seem to have a personality problem in trying to make this a personal attack on me for a comment I made about your hero two months ago. You need to get a life, you sad bastard. Now piss off and bother somebody who cares.
greenpenone 1 month ago
@greenpenone lol thats funny cause every post you make shows just how retarded you are. and yea i would like to see you speak one non english word lol. actually youre not the only one i comment on, i reply to every retarded comment i see so you dont have to cry so hard
xdroon3 1 month ago
@xdroon3 You're a fraud and you're pathetic. Anyone with half a brain can see who the retard is. You. I see you can't even make your own channel, let alone speak any other languages. You sad loser. I have better things to do. If I wanted to hear an arsehole speak I'd fart. Goodbye and good riddance to bad rubbish.
greenpenone 1 month ago
@greenpenone lol why would i make an own channel you fucking retard. how is that an argument? so, are you actually considered smart in your cave monkey country? or are you just the average retard rate?
xdroon3 1 month ago
@greenpenone lol why would i make an own channel you fucking retard. how is that an argument? so, are you actually considered smart in your cave monkey country? or are you just the average retard rate?
xdroon3 1 month ago
@xdroon3 @xdroon3 Do you know when to shut up? You've been whining about me now for several days. all because I spoke the truth about your hero. I suggest that you go back to your cave and talk to the monkey you seem so familiar with. I don't believe you speak more than one language, and that badly, but I do believe you are a fraud. Come back when you have three degrees under your belt.
greenpenone 1 month ago
@greenpenone I've better things to do with my time than waste it on an inbred with an attitude problem, so just piss off eh like a good little retard. I have a life to get on with, unlike you. I don't believe you are capable of making your own channel BTW. I won't be responding to your next piece of bile because you’re just not worth the effort. I'm sure people on here can see you for what you are if they even bother to read the rubbish you write. Goodbye and good riddance, moron!
greenpenone 1 month ago
@greenpenone lol ya fucking retard, you just found out that people on the internet are not always honest? lol youre obviously new to computers or just generally retarded. well just a typical brit fag
xdroon3 1 month ago
Liar. it was the muslims who had millions of slaves which they castrated before going to get even more to replace the many who died. The arab slave trade is still going on. I bet that twat can't lie straight in bed.
greenpenone 4 months ago
The TRUTH is Difficult to Hear!!!.....thats y they ran off
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Thanks brother for bringing out truth against these zionists
You are not alone we are with you just keep the truth as a symbol of hope and one day WE SHALL OVERCOME
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God will bless forever Israel. You can't stop that....in hell with you Ahmadinejad!!
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Well the european puppet politicians must do something, when someone speaks out about their masters, the Zionist Jews and their international Banking System.
How can these europeans have so low dignity for their fellow citicens and crawl that deep into jewish asses, while admireing them more than themselfes as human beeings. I bet some of them want to become jews as well, so called secret krypto-Jews like Merkel, Obama and many top dogs in europe are...
whatthehell81 1 year ago
Well the european puppet politicians must do something, when someone speaks out about their masters, the Zionist Jews and their international Banking System.
How can these europeans have so low dignity for their fellow citicens and crawl that deep into jewish asses, while admireing them more than themselfes as human beeings. I bet some of them want to become jews as well, so called secret krypto-Jews like Merkel, Obama and Sakozy are...
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@whatthehell81 Long live Israel!!!
BurnQuranSept11 1 year ago
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Csabika30NY 1 year ago
@whatthehell81
don't confuse Jews and Zionists
In Iran, there is the longest Jewish established community and Jews and Muslims peacefully co-exist with each other.
Zionists are total utter opressers in the israeli government, and also perhaps in the White house.
Ever notice when something happens in the middle east - USA'S main priority is Israel?
When Mubarrak left - they were like "will they allow gaza to have no siege?"
epacsmai 10 months ago
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Nazi ,Arab or Muslim terrorist , Iran fanatics are real oppressors, they killed many people without any reason
MrGuugaalre 8 months ago
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whatthehell81 1 year ago
why crap on about god and allah and all that bullshit just get the fuck on with the show ya stooge
itchyundies 1 year ago
Truth hurts.
thebluebird999 1 year ago
"Equality before law....blah blah blah" hahahaha. In an Iranian court of law (an oxymoron if ever there was one) a woman's word is worth "half" that of a man. What in heaven's name is that supposed to mean. That's equality? This man is one big liar people . This is the context that you believe makes him , this man, a decent human being. You must be joking!
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx Just because Saudi Arabia(to take one of many) is an 'ally'(lackey) of the United States suddenly their Absolute Monarchy and ten times more severe Shariat Laws are forgotten and an elected leader (however shady) is a manifestation of Caligula even if he talks about generic matters.
uditchow 1 year ago
@uditchow So all you are telling us is that Saudi Arabia is worse. They are both regrettable systems of government deeply repressive and barbaric. I have every sympathy for the destitute in those countries and for the brave dissidents who speak out. It's easy for us to criticize, but those who risk imprisonment for doing what is right are very brave. Yes, US and European policy should be more circumspect. I agree on this.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx What makes Saudi repressive & barbaric?
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx What is the basis for your claim? Do you have proof of this?
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman Beheadings in public , unfair trials, women can't walk unchaperoned and a host of other repressive measures, no elections, racist, oppressive to foreign workers. For some this might be an ideal, but not for me thank you.Try this: watch?v=33EpQ4WgqrY. Go to Amnesty International's website
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx Public executions send a strong message to would-be murderers, rapists, drug-dealers, adulterers. Why would a Muslim woman have a need to go abroad by herself? This is divine protection; that said, I seriously doubt if it's what AM-Nasty Int'l says, anyway. I would imagine it's more along the line of traveling a considerable distance. White people r so racist & arrogant, they don't recognize non-white govts. Iran HAS elections, something they did NOT have under the Shah.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx Oppressive to foreign workers? If that's the case, it speaks to more to extreme nationalism. There are unfair trials wherever you go, and don't think Iran is any different than any nation. RACIST? They freed the BLACK hostages in 1979. AGAIN, they HAVE elections. Let's see; I recall off the top of my head, TWO, elected Presidents. Mohammed Katami and Mahood Ahmdinijad. I'm sick & tired of white America trying to dictate to other nations. You did that crap in Vietnam, Iraq-Iran (war)...
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman So for you, this is all a black and white man issue? Sorry mate, but I don't see it that way. Sadly Iran is noted as one of the most oppressive governments in the world with power vested in the Supreme leader, Ali Khatemi, one below the almighty who fixed elections. Ahmadi Nejad's government is illegal. Trials? No, they are not trials, they are purges with thousands tortured and beaten and many executed. Colour? No prejudice on who they kill? Is one to suppose that's fair?
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx U said racist.It's white nations that talk about fixed elections; which didn't seem to be an issue w/u w/Katami. Iran is a theological democracy. This country supported S. Africa, calling it a democracy when blacks could NOT vote. IF Ahmad was pro-west & allowed western filth, then he'd be ALRIGHT! I do NOT believe it's ANYWHERE near as bad as white people say and I KNOW not as bad as when the Shah was there. He had NO elections, yet u all cry at Iran's policy w/regards to Ali.Khamemi.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx You are not know-it-alls. Ur arrogance is historic and world-reknown. Who are YOU to determine the legality or any sovereign nation, especially here, when at least since 1960,there have been VERY questionable issues about presidential election results? I don't believe AM-Nasty Int'l for a minute; China probably kills and oppresses MORE, and this country is BUDDIES with them. Elections in China? Can the Palestinians elect a PM of THEIR choice, in THEIR land ?
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman I am not sure I understand your points. As I try to understand you, you support Ahmadi Nejad's government, it's better than the USA and China, who are worse because Iran is not white? And by the way you say, you support the Palestinians right to elect a PM. And you don't believe Amnasty
What on earth are you talking about!?
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx I am not going to allow any white-American-liberal organ to color my thinking. I am not an expert on Iran, but i know they've been under attack since they threw out the Shah in '79. A yr into their existence as an Islamic Republic, America got their friend, Saddam, to attack, causing the deaths of 3 mill. America supports China, who executes business crooks, yet condemns Iran. China does NOT have elections, Iran DOES! I try to listen to the counter-side, especially in light of history.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman "I am not going to allow any white-American-liberal organ to color my thinking". You don't have to. Just listen to what he says - 9/11 was an American plot. Let's examine the facts about the Holocaust etc etc. we are building nuclear power stations for peaceful purposes.El Baredei has confirmed Iran is in breach of the non-proliferation treaty, Iran is building long range missiles that will be capable of carrying a nuclear payload. Death to Amerikabla bla.Wake up smell the coffee!
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx What I find interesting, is that when Michael Moore said this, he was a HERO! NOW, all of the sudden, when Ahmad mentioned (AFTER saying the 3K deaths were tragic) that there were 3 SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT regarding 9/11, ONE of which was an American conspiracy, u whites get indignant. Shah, placed there by USA, NO ELECTION, NO call for "democracy". Katemi and Ahmadinejad, ELECTED, disingenuous calls for "democracy". Iraq, goaded into attacking Iran by the USA, 3 million KILLED, NO call
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx for democracy in Iraq. ANY Nation has the right to arm itself in light of threats vs. it. We should examine ALL facets of HISTORY. HELL, u don't even want to examine the HISTORY if Iran, since 1979. Ur just mad that the Ayatollah freed BLACK PEOPLE! He says his nukes are for peace, PERIOD! His PERSONAL position on 9/11 or the holocaust should have NOT bearing on his RIGHT to have a military. Problem is that whites believe only THEY should do so.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx In my view, the notion of fixed elections is propaganda by the west, because they DEMAND Uncle Toms in that part of the world. So they have to slander and lie. Iran's constitution is THEIRS. Personally, I don't care if they were a monarchy, as it was with the SHAH. If Ali Kameni is fair and just, that's all that matters to ME. If not, then there's a problem. What whites refuse to accept, is that in IRAN, he is their living constitution, primarily to ensure Islamic compliance.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman "If Ali Kameni is fair and just, that's all that matters to ME. If not, then there's a problem" . Fair and just mm. The leadership, which controls Iran via the Iranian Republican Guard is anything but. The system functions through various fronts , policed by the IRG and is answerable to Khameini. The Judiciary is clearly compromised and Iran is engaged in widespread torture and summary justice. I agree, there is a problem and the extent of it.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx That's what the American & European press says. What's interesting, they ran that SAME CRAP with Robert Mugabe is Zimbabwe. ANYONE white America hates, their VICTORIES are "suddenly" fixed.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman "That's what the American & European press says..." There is plenty of criticism over the US and its ME policies in the American and European press as well, but that does not make what is happening in Iran as being right. At the moment it is quite content to undermine Lebanon, through its supplies of weapons to its proxy armies, attack community centres in South America and basically propagate revisionist history AND fix elections!
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx I'm NOT here to suggest Iran is perfect, but I KNOW they've been attacked since 79 & KNOW that the white nations still have her in the x-hairs. White people believe that 4 MILLIONS of non-whites to die, it's just COLLATERAL damage. Iran is a nation in development. When the SHAH was boss in IRAN, YOU DIDN'T CARE, NOW you want to DICTATE to IRAN! HYPOCRITES! They said their nukes are peaceful! He did NOT say he wants to wipe Israel off the map! Anti-zionist? YES, as r ALL orthodox Jews!
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman The thread that runs through your argument is that the colour of skin seems to overrides any other consideration. A yes he DID say he wanted to wipe Israel off the map and Iran's proxy, Nasrallah DID declare war on all Jews. And nukes can never be peaceful. They could be a deterrent, but with nukes in the hands of theocrats some of who believe in speeding up the coming of the Mahdi, one wonders what "peaceful" means. They say one thing and DO the opposite.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx He predicted the end of ZIONISM, NOT Israel! When I say NUKES, I mean PEACEFUL ENERGY! In WHITE SUPREMACY, only WHITE nations can have NUKE-WEAPONS; USA, Russia, UK, ISRAEL, though India, Pakistan, China & N. Korea do as well. UR paranoid about the Mahdi. Don't know much about him, myself, but CHRISTIANS believe in the return of Jesus, who will SLAY THE WICKED! Nasrallah is NO Iranian! And BTW, he is a SEMITE! There is NO proof that Iran supports Hezbollah!
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Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman Wipe Israel 'off the map' Iranian says
By Nazila Fathi
Published: Thursday, October 27, 2005
TEHRAN — Iran's conservative new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said Wednesdaythat Israel must be "wiped off the map" and that attacks by Palestinians would destroy it, the ISNA press agency reported.Ahmadinejad was speaking to an audience of about 4,000 students at a program called "The World Without Zionism," on the last Friday of the holy month of Ramadan.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx WHITE PRESS again! He did NOT say that Israel should be wiped from the map. The title CLEARLY speaks to his intent - ZIONISM is the real enemy. THINK about it; why would he call for the wiping out of a land that is owned by the Palestinians? In your propaganda machine, you make it seem like we're watching a JAMES BOND movie, with Ahmad as one of the villains like Goldfinger, Dr. No or Mr. Big.His NOT talking about attacking & destroying Israel and U guys KNOW it! He couldn't even DO IT
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman " THINK about it; why would he call for the wiping out of a land that is owned by the Palestinians" I've thought about it. He, and like most of the Arab world do not much care for Palestinians. He did not have to say it if he did not mean it. Capability is not the issue at the moment, but once nuclear weapons are obtained, we are likely to witness even worse times than we have now and not even James Bond will be able to resolve it, White Press or no White Press.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx To what POSSIBLE END would he use nukes on ANYONE? This would mean the very DESTRUCTION of his & ALL of the nations in that region! YOU might want to paint him as a wild-eyed fanatic, but you BACKED THE SHAH - NO democracy, yet, you SUDDENLY want it, when in FACT, Iran IS a democracy; Saudi,Jordan, Kuwait are NOT, but since they're BUDDIES, it's OK! Israel has NUKES, but since they're WHITE & USA's FRIEND, it's ok! Iran says it does NOT want nuke weapons & U CANNOT prove otherwise!
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx You expect me to blindly go by the BIASED, SUMMARIES of the white press, and NOT think for MYSELF! I'll just do THAT, thank you very MUCH! How do YOU know how much or not, the Arab world cares about the Palestinians? WHO told you this? Does this STILL justify their land being taken from them? Being displaced from THEIR homes, not being able to DEMOCRATICALLY elect a Palestinian to be PM of Israel? PULL-LEASE!
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman Perhaps you can explain to us why all of a sudden Fidel Castro has chosen to warn Iran against using such terms and also against denying the Holocaust. My friend, Iran is a problem whatever you or i say, white or black. . Nothing to do with white press. Palestinian elections? - Democratic elections they were but the kind of democracy that allows the incumbent to murder its opposition.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx NOW ur pro-CASTRO? When MA "denied" the holocaust, he did so, rhetorically. At Columibia U., when ? about it, he distanced himself from that statement, bringing up the issue as to WHY the Palestinians have to PAY for what the Nazis did. M. Katemi said the holocaust is a "fact of history". EVEN IF AM feels this way, it has NOTHING to do w/Iran's democracy which is BETTER than the NON-DEMOCRACY of the SHAH. What murders do you speak? MORE white propaganda? U hate self-determination.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx from NON-WHITE nations! The ones you like, KISS your BEHINDS! Palestinians CANNOT elect their own president in their OWN nation!
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman As far as I understand it Hamas was elected, and 200 Fatah members were murdered, so of whom were taken to the top of buildings and thrown off the roof. Very democratic!
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx IF that happened, it was dead, WRONG and I CONDEMN it. Just like I CONDEMN the arrogance, distortions and LIES against Iran, on the part of the white nations. IF MA was overthrown and the winners did the SAME as Hamas did, you & the REST OF the white nations would REJOICE at it, just like you REJOICED when the Shah MURDERED dissidents. Hey, he might be a despot, but he's YOUR despot!
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman You bet it was dead wrong!
nevskixx 1 year ago
@Soulblackman I'm afraid your factually incorrect. Palestinians did elect their own leaders in freely run elections. I have nothing against the process, but elected leaders bear a responsibility to govern and ensure that the system runs in a just and democratic way. What happened after the elections can only be described as murderous, Its nothing to do with the US or Israel or Iran or black and white. It's plain murder
nevskixx 1 year ago
@Soulblackman I'm afraid you're factually incorrect. Palestinians did elect their own leaders in freely run elections. I have nothing against the process, but elected leaders bear a responsibility to govern and ensure that the system runs in a just and democratic way. What happened after the elections can only be described as murderous, Its nothing to do with the US or Israel or Iran or black and white. It's plain murder
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx I'm not talking about a carved-out colony known as the P.A. but the GREATER land that was STOLEN from them. There is NO ambiguity or illusion on what happened in 1948. Funny, ur last line, because it would seem the USA would LOVE to pin those on Iran. We have a fundamental fissure on how we see Iran. You see them as a threat to the world, I see them as a willing partner to the world effort, despite being the victim of an instigated, 8yr war which caused MILLIONS of lives.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman Listen, I do not call for an "end" to Iran. I do not advocate destruction or unceasing violence with that country. What I do see though is a clear and present danger to the world. It has a murderous system. It is more sophisticated than Iraq was, but that country too had nuclear ambitions with intent to destroy Israel. That is why the Osirak Reactor, was destroyed. Iran, my Iranian clients tell me is not to be trusted. No, they did not support the Shah either.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx I see them as a growing nation, who has been the target of CIA-Mossad efforts to undermine their Islamic way of life, who despite perhaps, some serious errors, are committed to perfecting a theocratic democracy, which has never existed in recent history. I find it disturbing, but not surprising, that whites DEMAND they get what they have ALREADY, yet make no such demands on Saudi, Jordan, Monaco, Kuwait, Bahrain, Sudan, N.Korea or China. China brutalizes Fulan Gong, we're told, but
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman It's one thing to be critical of American politics. To a degree, the US has misused its dominant position in the safeguarding its own interests than to bring stability, when it is able. The same applies to Britain. However, despite their faults, the regimes themselves have a choice, but cultural and religious anomalies prevent advancement very often. Iran is blessed with mineral reserves but lacks know-how to exploit them and is dependent.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@Soulblackman If it were to play its part under treaties that it has signed then it would benefit. It chooses not to. Therefore it chooses not to be a willing power but a rising aggressive superpower. Much of what you say about Iran could easily apply to what people believed about Germany in the 1930s.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx Nonsense. Iran, UNLIKE Iraq & America, has NOT invaded nations, causing the deaths of MILLIONS! They want to be left ALONE, but whites will NEVER forgive that their EGOS were bruised, since THEIR BOY the Shah, was DEPOSED! USA & Europe ALSO protected or given haven to Batista, Duvallier, Ian Smith, John Vorster, Ben. Netanyahu, and have the NERVE to talk about Iran, who has attacked or invaded ANYONE! You must really play into this Dr. No, Mr. Big, Jaws FANTASY!
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman " theocratic democracy" - an oxymoron if ever there was one:)
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx Why? Theocratic = God at the center of the laws & statutes. Democracy = the people elect the leaders who understand the rule of God and HIS standards.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman As it stands, under theocracy of yours, a woman's word is worth a "half " of a man's. Apart from the barmy idea of having such a concept, how are the Iranians moving towards a democracy? (Just as a tiny example of your crazy theory)
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx Apatheid SA, a Black COULD NOT vote, YET, USA, Israel, the rest of the white world recognized it as a DEMOCRACY! A Palestinian CANNOT elect a Palestinian in HIS OWN LAND, yet Israel is called a DEMOCRACY. from what I'm told, there is an INTERPRETATION of Islamic law that says a woman's testimony is 1/2 a man's. I ? this, as the Quran makes mention of a woman witness for contracts ONLY. IF Iran takes it to that level, WHICH I doubt (that would almost be like saying their votes are 1/2
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx a man's (I forgot, that during SLAVERY, USA was considered a DEMOCRACY), which is not the case. I am not qualified to go into the greater details of accepted, Islamic Law, but I suspect the west, AS USUAL, distorts & lies. In Iran, UNLIKE, China, Saudi, Kuwait, Jordan, N. Korea, Egypt, Bahrain, etc., Iran, which is YOUNGER nation, is a DEMOCRACY, yet it would stand to reason, the Muslim nations I noted, have the same 1/2 policy! WHERE'S USA & co. in their INDIGNATION w/them?
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx Let's look at another angle here. In the USA, a woman is NOT required to register for Selective Service, and in divorce cases, the courts USUALLY favor HER, especially when it comes to children. In a sense here, we have a built-in "bias" against men & for women. Intrinsically, in d-court, a man is already seen as the culprit, so his word is "diminished" at the onset. Again, the understanding of Islamic scholars extends beyond what the Qur'an says, but that speaks to a bigger issue
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx Under the Shah, NO ONE voted. Yet, he was the DARLING of the white nations. As I said earlier, you & I have a fundamental conflict on how we see this. You see Iran as a threat, an aggressor, a bully, while I see them as an independent, sovereign nation, who has endured an American-European-ARAB instigated war, has PROGRESSED to democracy WITHOUT being invaded, is under constant threat, especially after being branded a part of the Axis of Evil. I do NOT suggest they are perfect, but I
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx KNOW the history of the white nations, who as long as they could USE these nations, they could have wiped out 1/2 of their populations, & as Long as they played the party line, they were supported with MONEY & good standing. WHO was crying for democracy in Iraq when Sadaam was MURDERING Kurds & using chemical AND biological weapons against them AND Iran? As I said, in YOUR world, these are nothing but sand niggers, who are subject to YOUR WHIMS and disposal! Some folks AINT HAVING IT!
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx One last thing, as I wrap up this discourse, the issue of testimony in court is complex, & here's why I say this. Given this 1/2 issue, I know that for most crimes, especially illegal sex or theft, 4 witnesses are required; the former, clearly in the Quran, while the other is accepted as hadith or tradition. I think it very simplistic to suggest that if a woman has a grievance,her word is diminished, because it's 1/2. 1/2 of what? It is true that in contract matters, two women are req
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman You readily condemn the US and the "White" thinkng, but readily forgive the atrocious cruelty that persists and the barbaric antisemitism that is propagated daily which is blessed by religious leaders. There is much more to this. I do not believe that you would really continue to voice such strong opinions if you were personally affected. The roots now stem deeply from within the Iranian regime and you are looking at MA with too much reverance.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx I do not revere AM, but simply recognize that his country has been under ATTACK since '79. I realize that there are wrong done in some of these "Islamic" nations, but we still need to define barbaric. The fact remains, ultra-ortho Jews want a strict observance of Torah, which would be considered barbaric by 2day's "standards". ARABS r SEMITES! Iran, which u CLAIM is so bad, has the LARGEST Jewish pop in the ME outside of the outlaw state of Israel. True, many did leave & I would HOPE
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx that zealots DO NOT harass them, due to misunderstanding of Islam, which respects religious freedom, especially those who follow Jesus & Moses; Christians & Jews.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman I couldn't open the link. 1 of the challenges to Muslims in general, is the proper dispensation of Islamic Law, in the modern era, NOT from the standpoint of appeasing the west, but to delve deeply into the spirit of what God wants, and to examine certain jurisprudence w/respect to the Quran. Much of what is called Sharia, is not in Quran at all, but traditions, which are not eternal. That said, there are certain things that according to Islam are WRONG, some of which are
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman Check out the website of Walid Shoebat
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx I saw some brief Wikis. UNDERSTAND, I do NOT condone maltreatment of peoples. IF there's excess or going beyond the bounds in jurisprudence, it should be CONDEMNED! DON'T tell me about pre-emptive aggression on innocents as IF I would condone it. This is NOT the topic of discussion. We have a FUNDAMENTAL difference in how we see the world, especially when it comes to white people messing with the NON-WHITE world. Your people invade, mess up the culture, pillage non-whites, then get MAD
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx when they get independence and tell you to LEAVE THEM ALONE! You threaten them and get indignant when they STARE BACK at you.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman A recent law was passed, or restored about forbidding Arabs to sell land to Jews threatening the death penalty to anyone who did. Mr Shoebat posted a comment which I will quote. "When Abdul Qader Al-Husseni was appointed by Haj Amin (Adolf Hitler’s puppet) to execute so many chieftans (Mukhtars) in the whole region. Anyone that was considered peaceful or had connection with the Jews were to be executed. Of course, the Hussenis sold land to Jews yet they were immune.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx What country r we referring to? What does this have to do with AM / Iran?
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman It has a great deal to do with Iran. Iran financially and physically provides support to terrorism
nevskixx 1 year ago
@Soulblackman " I should know this, my grand father was one of these who escaped the massacre due to his connections with the Husseini family. Many were not so lucky...
nevskixx 1 year ago
@Soulblackman "This massacre between 1936 and 1938 carried out by Husseni’s men is so well known and well documented which included Sheikh Daoud Ansari (Imam of Al Aqsa Mosque), Sheikh Ali Nur el Khattib (Al Aqsa Mosque), Sheikh Nusbi Abdal Rahim (Council of Muslim Religious Court), Sheikh Abdul el Badoui (Acre, Palestine), Sheikh El Namouri (Hebron), and Nasr El Din Nassr (Mayor of Hebron). Between Feb. 1937
nevskixx 1 year ago
@Soulblackman "and Nov. 1938, eleven Mukhtars (community leaders) and their entire families were slain by Amin al Husseni’s men."
Not a white or Black in sight. And why should Black people see this any differently. Cannot whites too have an understanding of Black history and empathise or sympathise with Black People or anyone else who has suffered Mmm?
nevskixx 1 year ago
@Soulblackman This is not about being indignant or staring back. It's about legitimate recognition, security and protection of citizens. It is a world issue. Whilst Racialism against Black people had and still does affect millions of people, to apply a one dimensional approach that it is something that can be superimposed on any conflict that it is the West (white) against the rest of the world (the Blacks) is oversimplistic and erroneous.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx It absolutely does. Iran is a sovereign nation that has been under ideological & physical attack, whereby MILLIONS have died. Of COURSE, they're leery & wary. I'm just pointing out that the white nations have a HISTORY of messing w/other nations, starting coups, creating discord, fomenting wars, then acting indignant when the fruits of THEIR actions stare them in the face. My view is not as simplistic as you're implying. I'm challenging you on the validity of ur ire against Iran..
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman I am not calling for Iran's destruction.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@Soulblackman I'm well aware of some of the background to Iran's position with that raises suspicion of the US. There is certainly a case for the US to answer, but it was Iraq who also has to answer, and now faces pressure from Iran , at least through the Shia population to link with Iran despite strong differences. Let's not forget too that during the terrible Iraq war, the US supplied weapons to Iran as well!
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx You couldn't convince me in a BILLION YEARS that US gave weapons to Iran during that war that they helped to start.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman Whilst I appreciate that it does not comply with your world view, the Iran - Contra affair was quite a big scandal in 1986 during the Reagan administration in 1986 facilitating arms sales to Iran. Perhaps I can't convince you in a BILLION years, but I might hope to do it in a day!
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx I would HARDLY equate a few PEA SHOOTERS or whatever Iran received, to the PLETHORA of WMDs, INCLUDING chemical & biological weapons it got from the USA & Europe. AGAIN, USA / Europe STARTED this bloody war, with their ONCE FRIEND, Saddaam Hussein. Yrs. later, HE sure learned who his "friends" were!
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman Pea shooters!! So in one day you are convinced.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx Christianity has Jesus asking "he who is without sin cast the first stone", implying that no such person exists and warns accusers to be aware of their own failings before starting to condemn others ie to speak on behalf of the Almighty.As for corruption, one can get off charges as well as be rewarded in high positions knowing the right people. This is less likely in France for example. The bent cops or judges when discovered are arrested. Can't say the same about Iran though.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx Jesus also made reference to Sodom & Gomorrah, and its present-day manifestation as a sign of THE LAST DAYS! Of course, none of us is perfect, but if we were preclude ourselves from judging, because of our imperfections, it would make no sense to condemn anyone for being wrong.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx using history as a backdrop in accessing the intent of such ire and the illegitimacy of it as well. I do NOT agree w/Iran or ANY Muslim nation stoning people to death; it's not Quran. Even more so, the great potential is that only the WOMAN is left holding the bag, sort of speak. But Islam is zero tolerance w/sex crimes, period. Either way, there's going to be a punishment. They ALSO execute rapists. CHINA executes embezzlers, something we in the west would consider DRACONIAN!
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx Where's the OUTRAGE and INDIGNATION from the USA / UN, when such convicted are shot in the back of the head for a crime OTHER than murder, rape, drug trafficking, espionage? Granted, the idea of stoning conjures more of a repulsive reaction than does a bullet, which at LEAST is quick. I'M repulsed by stoning! But let's be consistent. China kills Fulan Gong and she's America's FRIEND and PARTNER!
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman Like you, I too am repulsed. What you also however do not deal with is the corruption of the legal system. Take the Ashianti case. First it was several lashes which were carried out. She was acquited of murder but found guilty of adultery. Stoning was the sentence. But the world objected. Instead they beat her black and blue and got her to confess to murder on TV. Now she is to be hanged for murder. She is Azeri and the hearings were conducted in Farsi. Fair trial??
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx From where I stand, she got a raw deal. I'm not in Iran, nor do I read their papers. Again, stoning is not in Quran, yet many Muslims institute it. I do NOT know if she is guilty, but IF they beat her to confess, hell, I'D confess to what SHE did if i was tortured.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman It's not of course just her. She and many many others get a raw deal. You have asked , why people don't react as much to these sorts of matters with other countries. People do react, but in the case of Iran, which is openly hostile using western technology acquired for "peaceful" purposes, finding them being used for military purposes that reveals that this country has potentially other intentions that are not ignored.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx If Iran & the rest of the ME were not reject using western tech, they'd be called backwards & primitive. I will say it again, the ME, eve n though in MY OPINION, would be better served NOT to be so mesmerized by western tech (spirituality is MORE important), they ONLY, outwardly reject western, moral/social culture, especially as it seeks to weave its way into eastern/Islamic culture & mores'.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman You have misunderstood. Companies in Europe acquire export licences to sell products to Iranian companies for peaceful usage eg cranes for construction, speed boats only to find that these companies are IRG front companies. The cranes bought can be seen in photographs of public execution with bodies hanging from them. The speed boats sold by a Swedish company were converted to carry missiles and used to ram oil tankers in the Gulf . Peaceful indeed!
nevskixx 1 year ago
@Soulblackman There are deep underlying cultural internal reasons within societies of the middle east, governed by tribal codes and religion that too cannot and must not be ignored. Palestinians like Shoebat are saying "we" do not wish the excesses of the cruelty, the lies the fake conspiracy theories and suffering to be ignored. Is it right that one should not raise voice in support of such people?
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx I am not here to defend extremism, some of which stems from tribalism, which goes beyond the pale of what scripture says. There's a lot of IGNORANCE, even in the ME. But this has very LITTLE to do w/the central issue, Iran /AM and their sovereignty, whereby attempts have been made to undermine since 1979. Oppression & cruelty should be opposed by all and against all who would be guilty. America SUPPORTED Sadaam, Shah & now CHINA, which they say is so bad w/regards to human rights.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman But Iran is full of extremism is it not?
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx In what regard? By who's standards?
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman " Death (not life) to Amerika, Death to Isr'aeel"! Gentle isn't it?
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx unfortunately, these became mantras after the Shah, who was America & Isreal's friend, was deposed. However, while not outwardly articulated, isn't this what both these nations wish for Iran? And DON'T use "it's not the people, but the government", MY response is, "khomeni said HIS issue was not with the American people, but the government". Same viewpoint, different vantage point. Obviously when America cajoled Iraq to ATTACK Iran, causing the death of MILLIONS, they had "Death to
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman Which US Government? Which Israeli Government? A mantra certainly a death wish certainly too, to be implemented when ready to do so - not with a bomb at first you understand if other means are available, but if neccessary. When someone threatens when they do not appear to have the power, we take it lightheartedly. Ignore it? Iran is tied to agreements not to use the recent ly activated station for peaceful usage. But what are the sanctions when it decides to break that agreement?
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx Iran's facilities are inspected and BELIEVE me, the CIA, mossad and other spy networks honeycomb that nation. At the same time, they are NOT children and should NOT be spoken to as such; making DEMANDS. But, that's WHITE FOLKS for ya' !
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman If a country has signed up to obligations and breaks them and is acting in a hostile way then do not expect the nation targeted is likely to ignore this potential threat. Hezbollah is supplied by Iran and Syria and Russia is now sending pilotless planes to Syria , who in turn is likely to hand this over to Hezbolla and Hamas. It's a very dirty business. Nothing to do with Whites or Blacks.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx There is NO PROOF to such assertions. AMERICA supports mercenaries & CIA killers. So, if Russia is supplying these bad peoples, GO AFTER THEM! USA attacked Iraq in 91, because they attacked Kuwait, but didn't DARE attack USSR in 80, when THEY attacked Afghanistan!
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman I accept that US had some serious lack of foresight over its policies in Afghanistan by backing the Taliban against the Soviets. At the time, weakening the USSR overrode any consideration, the result of which The US now have learned to its dismay.The Russian support given today to Iran in my view is the way that support is now being reciprocated, but that policy too is also shortsighted. remember the Molotov - Ribbentrop Agreement?
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx I think its an insult to correlate the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement, UNLESS you're implying that Russia will, at the behest of the USA & other white nations, attack Iran.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman You misunderstood my point. I was referring to shortsightedness of policy. The US aided the Taliban to weaken the Soviets. Fast forward a few years and the US finds itself in conflict with the same group. The Soviets and Nazis made a pact not to go to war against one another and to carve up Poland together.Result war. Fast forward a few years, the Russians see no nuclear threat to them and lend support to Iran which could weaken the west. They too could end up targeted.Understand?
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx I don't believe it was a Taliban back then, though the ideology was somewhat akin. Taliban for the most part, were from Pakistan or at the border, who only came out in light of complete chaos, where women and boys were being raped wholesale and thrown off cliffs. I do not see the Nazi-Soviet pact anywhere NEAR, having the same implication as the Iran-Russian. Times have changed, and I do NOT believe after Iran-Iraq, USSR-Afghan, USA-Iraq (2), USA-Afghan, that EITHER has the stomach
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman It was the Taliban back then and after the Russians were ousted, they took power. And what a hell that power took on people living in the region. We have today an insurgency in Pakistan of Taliban.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx for war. I believe that Iran is TOO intelligent to use it's nuclear program to develop a weapon, ESPECIALLY with Russia & others withing their proximity. If anything, with all of this GREEN stuff about NOT using fossil fuels, PLUS trying to bankrupt Iran via oil, it makes SENSE that they seek cheap, alternative fuel for their nation, and nuclear is AN ANSWER! Like I said, they've been in the crosshairs since 79 & have lost MILLIONS in people & frozen assets, ALL for overthrowing a
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx TYRANT! This is the thing that cracks ME up! IF the Shah had been a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED President, I could UNDERSTAND the west's indignation, but when was HIS fair & open election? Frankly, I was IMPRESSED that Iran, after a while, had elections, something you DON'T see in N. Korea, Saudi, Kuwait, Oman, Jordan, Sudan, Baharain, China, Morocco, YET we keep hearing about how IRAN has to step up! Is their corruption in the process? NAME the "democratic" nation where this doesn't exist!
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman What would have been better? To live under Stalin or live under Hitler? You keep repeating this point about the oppressive nature of the Shah's regime. The considered wisdom at the moment is that life for Iranians today in many aspects is significantly worse than it was.Replacing one bastard for another is not an argument, whether one had US support or the other doesn't
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx There is no way a nation, considering the intervention by America & the OTHER white powers, could be worse than under the TYRANT, SHAH! I see a strong people, committed to God's way, in light of the intense interference. As I said, they're in the crosshairs, and every brother 'aint a BROTHER there. Then again, they're ONLY 31 years OLD! IF whites want to change the condition of a people, INVADE CHINA, who we're told, oppresses MILLIONS!
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman I don't make this up. There are enough eyewitness accounts from people within living memory who recall the times during the Shah and the present, many of whom had welcomed Khomeini initially, and who see a more oppressive system in place today with "religious" laws stifling personal freedoms, particularly against women, and run by corrupt government. Many already had warned about Khomeini. And what about Salman Rushdi and the disgraceful fatwas.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx The problem for many is that they'd developed tastes for the decadent, western vs. Islamic life.I'm always curious to hear about these "freedoms", especially when it comes to women; so now, they can't wear mini-dresses, go wild, publicly display themselves as in the Days of Ignorance or Sodom & Gommorah. In a CIVILIZED society, as this ONCE was, u protect the sanctity & virtue of the woman. I'll admit the fatwa vs. Rushdi is WRONG, but people have got to get out of this "freedom"
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman Women are discriminated, whether it is religious based or otherwise. Educated women are barred from a number of jobs. They cannot become judges for example. They cannot divorce their husbands and many endure abusive relationships. Children have been hanged. This is a corrupt society, MA in this particular clip talks about "injustice" everywhere except his own back yard!
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx It is an opinion of Islamic scholars that judgeships are a male occupation, as it represents the man's role as leader. I do NOT believe they cannot divorce their husbands, because Islam allows it. Frankly, I don't know the overall view in Iran, with divorce in general. Islam considers divorce, while permitted, is HATED by God. This society allows divorce TOO easy, which has a deleterious impact on the CHILDREN. In Islam, the first role of the woman is that of wife & mother.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx This is NOT feminism, where the roles become blurred & eventually obscured & destroyed. Women are TOO masculine in the west, partly due to having them go out of their natural roles. The Iranians understand something about the natural roles of male & female. Today, children are disobedient to parents and authority LARGELY because the woman has been taken out of the homes. Besides, by and large, female judges tend to judge on emotionality; GREATLY ruling against men in divorce cases.
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx As a RULE, divorce cases favor the WOMAN, which in ITSELF, according to this country, is discriminatory. Women here are NOT required to register for Selective Service. But let's just say that ur pts. are valid & in proper perspective, this does NOT make Iran a threat to ME! Here in the USA, there are Hassidim Jews, who do NOT allow their women to work outside the home. They CANNOT get a divorce, unless the husband gives the GET! NO ONE here calls them oppressive! In fact, politicians
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@nevskixx cater to them! I don't know WHY children are hanged in Iran. Maybe MURDER? Well, we've taken a different approach here, deeming them to be NOT RESPONSIBLE for their murders! I need more info on the hangings. AGAIN, the SHAH, America's FRIEND, had SAVAK, who MURDERED Iranians! Yet, he did NOT have to face Crimes Against Humanity! Given me a BREAK! Why don't you WHITE People leave people ALONE? ALWAYS interfering! INVADE CHINA! INVADE RUSSIA!
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman I suggest you read a few books on the subject. Amir Taheri, Executive Editor of Kayhan, Iran's largest newspaper strongly supports Dr Emanuele Ottolenghi's impeccable scholarship in his book "Under a Mushroom Cloud". Perhaps can then have other discussions on this topic. Taheri has also written extensively. Have you purchased the other books I have recommended, yet?
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx crumble its infrastructure. Like it or not, Islam is not about letting women or men, cavort about, like they do in the west. Women like Snookie, Kardashian, Madonna, Gaga, Lohan, who are either hos or lesbians, are REWARDED for their abominations. There's NO doubt in my mind, this is the type of "freedom" that the white nations would LOVE to see in Iran & other Muslim nations; GUARANTEED, sex tourism would increased 100-FOLD if that happened. Back to Rushdie, what was missed by Muslims
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman I'm not a fan of Gaga, Madonna . To me they appear vulgar, but then what is the opposie that is being proposed. My view is that the west has targeted its outlook far to excessively on consumerism and materialism, that it could do better by aiming to improve on education and to teach tolerance and to accept difference. You Soul strike me as a believer. If the Creator's Design was with difference then it is up to us to work out how to live with it and not to destroy it.
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx Thus, we have the issue of women and culture of any nation. It becomes extremely HYPOCRITICAL for a nation to make ICONS of these HARLOTS, to criticize a nation or NATIONS that are trying to RESTORE their Godly dignity and respect as wives, mothers and the foundation of a nation's culture AND survival. Of COURSE, we're not robots, but the Islamic nations look on in HORROR, at this debauchery, and then WORSE, to suggest they have to get "democracy" in order to parrot this SAME MESS!
Soulblackman 1 year ago
@Soulblackman Islamic nations are repressed societies, largely ignorant and with some countries with over 80%illiteracy.. I think it is you and me who should be looking at this with horror. Don't you?
nevskixx 1 year ago
@nevskixx THIS country is trying to destroy the moral tone of the Islamic nations, and REMEMBER, the morals of Islam are VERY close to those of Christianity & Judaism, which is CLAIMED by this country. They'd LOVE to showcase Iranian Madonnas and Gagas as "PROOF" of "freedom" and "democracy".
Soulblackman 1 year ago
"Moral tone" Mmmmmmm.
nevskixx 1 year ago