Listen, I'm a member of TZM but this kind of bad presentation I think actually works against our goals. We need intelligent people to spread the word and such a person will not be convinced by such a poorly made argument.
Thats what i genuinly call a tear jerker. Surely im not the only 1! I felt like that when i first heard about TVP through the zeitgeist films. I'm not a very emotional person. I even feel awkward telling someone i love them, even my mum. Although i do. TVP jt touches a nerve. Im open to the idea that i could of bought in2 something stupid by being a supporter but i'm going to go with what im calling my "gut feeling" and continue to support TVP, by at the very least talking to others.Thumbs up
you cant get rid of money, money is not what people want, its the oppurtunities that come with money, if you have a lot of money you can afford big houses, nice cars, & delicious food. & people work hard for that money (most of the time). they even everything out in a communist society, communisum was a good idea because people wont be homeless or starve but a bad one because people wouldnt be able to move up either. in this society we have A LOT of freedom.
I think we might need to keep money as a regulator. Or else we will have to have billions if people working within administration to calculate how much resources can be spent.
Money itself is not evil. It is an evolved version of barter.
I think the Venus Project and Zeitgeist are part of a movement whereby we are cognizant of our evolution away from the need for money.
But don't fool yourself. Many of us live in a wealthy country and have come to believe that scarcity does not exist. I don't think we're there yet. But we can be.
An interesting, utopian, but flawed concept. It disregards human nature, specifically attributes like greed, the desire for new things, and the desire for power over others. Machines will do the work while we play on the beach? Ain't gonna happen! Who will build, own, and maintain the machines? Why will they do that if they aren't remunerated for it?
A better system would be a hybrid of this and capitalism: food, drink,clothing, healthcare & shelter for all; work for anything beyond that.
@ChipArgyle This is not Utopian the Venus Project is a progresive society that changes based on the nesds of the people and the progress of technology and knowledge not an established one youre society IS the Utopia. There is NO human nature there is human BEHAVIOR these things are learned nor is it genetic just in case youre goin there. Its The enviroment shapes us makes us who we are
@HernandeztheHero There is no human nature? You're denying something called genetics. Or you're simply goofing around with semantics. Either way, you're denying what we are. Studies have repeatedly shown that we're about 80% nature, 20% nurture (environment). Where other than Jacque Franco's mouth did you come up with your idea?
@HernandeztheHero im not denying genetics im denying the mith that genetics are responsible for shaping our behavior the Idea that *Its genetic* is a very dangerous assumtion its a cop out so that there is no need to use resources or to change the bad things in society that make people who they are its all about enviroment please study this before you create more damage
It's a travesty when two ppl living in the same town, and one has more cars than he drive, more food than he can eat, and more money than he can spend while another man walks, wonders how he will feed his family, and living dollar to dollar. The amount of money in our monetary system is a finite value so when some ppl have vulgar amounts of money it automatically creates ppl who are impoverished.
I completely support this project. I'm already teaching it to my 6th grade students (12 year olds), I played them Zeitgeist: Addendum, and did a Socratic Dialogue about it. They are to bring me essays about what they agree with or not and why. But even though they like the idea, they experience a big turn off... the bashing of religion. They are all from Christian families, and as a believer in God (not in religions) I don't see the need to try to impose atheism to support this great idea.
@dtruemetallian u r right, the zietgeist doesnt bash, they simply point out thing religiouss ppl already know, or dont care to know, bashing religion, is saying religious ppl have the same level of intelligence as toddlers who still believe in santa bcuz they were told that he is real, they actually try to act like theres a difference... but thank you for caring enuff to help your students, i too have started a dialogue amoung those around me, and online
Also anyone who ignores this project is really stupid to the point of view that this could be the salvation of many. No war in which ordinary humanity can gain, imagine the 3rd world war. This project can save our lives and have better relationships with everyone around us without fear. HOW TO FUCK, YOU WANT CHANGE, IF YOU IGNORE A WALK A PROJECT THAT CAN SAVE UP TO MY ASS? For those who do not want change are ignorant, I do not give heed to these people, all that is needed is support.
Without any real thought the concept of a resource based economy does seem a bit daunting and scary because it seems unfamiliar. If you use or work on an Open Source project, volunteer, or have a healthy family you're already familiar with the concepts. No one will be forced to do anything. The social environment is psychologically nurturing and encourages people to pursue their interests and passions. With people so busy pursuing their dreams, overpopulation will not be problem.
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TVP and TZM are TERRORIST GROUP CELLS working to pass RBE that is 100% trick to fool people to join a memebrship that has only one GOAL! TO make a super Migragrion trigger of Humans that not only kills some 100 million off the bat that try but destroys the systems of all nations and makes all anations figh each other to stop migrations... They are LUCIFER worshipers and L:UCIFER is an AI intelligence they claim to be "getting ready for" and 99% of humans will die as USELESS! LOSE LOSE!
is that why we have a link to the FBI and IRS at worldpress dot com
Is it because you did not know what inference means or that to do inference from Hitler and world war 2 is to want to make war to remove democracy and Human opinion.
Gee what part of killl Billions then blame the members of TVP and TZM as scape goats same as last time with Hitler's brown pants..all dead 1st to be drafted and die. The no democracy and no Human opinion and infer from past example...
@cyphi1, You said that serious overpopulation would be a serious problem because of all the sexy time. I think i can counter with a proper management of the carrying capacity via the most efficient means of production when it comes to food water shelter etc, that more than double our current population can be catered for with abundance. Meaning the population size wouldn't matter for a very large period of time. By the time of when over population does become a problem a solution can be found
@pommyrooter I agree that efficient use of resources could hypothetically allow for a world with many times the current human population. But a RBE isn't a realistic option at this moment in time given the immature spiritual state of man. Corruption, thievery and exploitation are the zeitgeists which enslave humanity. If this system was implemented and successful, war would be waged against its promoters. Humans are driven by ego. Since birth we have been conditioned to perceive inequality.
@cyphi1, You didn't blow your head off i am impressed haha. Im glad you didn't say an RBE isn't possible at all like most irrational minded people, therefore my respect for you has quadrupled. I was going to discuss a few other things with you but i seem to have forgotten at this time and im sorry.
This video blows, Truth or not, this video sucks. I hate these "half assed" animation videos. The audio is disgusting as well. The "computer voice" video style is annoying as hell. I would rather hear some sort of annoying human voice than a decent computer voice.
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TVP is a scam to steal donations and RBE means 100% that you give up all you see in the clip or share it with 12 other people to make us all equals more and forget steak! You ear patties of meat forever and with rice and beans... so you be like the POOR you7 mock with RBE and JOIN them to learn RBE is 100% lies that can't even work is a hooker exist on Earth!
WE CAN ALREADY start to work only for free in the image of wikipedia collaborators, start sharing our home grown food and CLAIM all for free - free WATERS. FREE SPACE, FREE LANDS. FREE PETROL. FREE MINERALS... in the name of real human birthrights!
No need to wait for any technocracy ! A GIFT ECONOMY& PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY = real SOLUTION
Itr is the REVERSE you moron! it is no more good food and lots of migration to share you RICH man Home with even if on welfare you are richer so they come to share what you HAVE MORE than the rest! IDIOT!
They come to take the land and the riches because you stole it and RBE say give it BACK! SO rice and beans with strange meat loaf for you fools!
or a gun and a front line to die on like the last6 time Hitler tried this! but just for whites!
@Trimbler00 While you are giving to your friends or anyone... you are creating a better world where ABUNDANCE IS AVAILABLE TO ALL 6 BILLION PEOPLE... and not to very few ones!
A day when you have to close your eyes - you can not take with you in the other world anything from here - better you share now and herel!
It will be very good if someone subtitles these cartoons into spanish. There is a lot of people in Spain and in Latin America who will need to understand the concepts presented in those cartons.
@JeanCezarBarros That's the whole idea of automation. Machines will do that, Just as we have dishwashers, Automated car washes and sophisticated computers than assist pilots in landing aircraft. It's already happening and is possible.
@marklavin what matters is subjective so there will be quite alot of incentive to do all kinds of things... but yeah - plastic dog-poop and high-heel shoes might be the exception if you know what I mean
more willing to speak truth to power, willing to innovate, etc, and the powers that be won't have so much power to tell their minions to kill innovation, free energy, per se. They will lose control of the people, if the people are able to feed themselves using regenerative ecological principles, and since they themselves are comprised of people, their own corporate ladders will become less and less compelling. In this environment huge and authentic technological innovations become possible.
land, or working with the land is the better word will remove most of the social programming. It just isn't possible to think of yourself as separate from nature, a helpless, alienated creature, when you have direct experience of your own life processes serving the ecosystem that serves you. When every one of us has direct experience that there is natural law, we'll start to lose our depression, etc. We'll also not be dependent on money for survival in large numbers. Thus we'll be far (cont'd)
Got a richer sense of RBE with the 3rd movie. I think it's going to have to happen in a kind of open-source and emergent way. No problem with that... and only likely to happen to its fullest potential with permaculture flowing like a mighty river in our society. Permaculture is a way that we can take food out of the money system through grassroots operation. It's also a way that we as humans can reconnect with nature; the resultant spiritual transformations that come with working on the (cont'd)
All the arm waving is funny as hell, but the take on the "economic" system is infallible. The impact on the people in my life and how we relate to each other is heartbreaking. Still I find RBE unsatisfying, and know of a way out that is truly real and profoundly honoring - permaculture. There are lots of resources online, google it. It will take discipline, creativity and courage, but if we take it on with real intelligence, the financial system will eventually lose its grip on our culture.
Hi, questionsleadtotruth, sorry to bother you, but could you please put the English subtitles onto the films(part1 and part2), so that I could share them on the internet? It's because I'm not a native-English speaker, so it's best that I have the English subtitles to recoomend to and share with others. If you could put subtitles, thank you very mcuh in advance!
@2dboy i beg to differ, take 1 course in college history and you'll see that religion is just the facade, religious reasons are always, at most, in the hearts of the peons and footsoldiers, but the real reasons for war are political and economic
@mabon2011 then propose your modifications! that is what the whole resource based econemy system is about anyways. everyone contributing to make the system function better as a whole. all ideas and new thoughts are welcome!
A dolphin can't technically invent tools to enhance resource output like humans can this is what keeps our resources from depleting compared to the dolphin and if intelligently applied we can technically create resources artificially or naturally to feed the world, eliminating this predator instinct to take new form. it must be done in the most environmental way possible its quite fascinating.
@mabon2011 there truely is no such thing as ingrained human nature in a negative way, if a chinese baby were to be raised in austrailia, by australian parents, he or she would adopt the language patturns, thinking processes, mannerisms and values of the australian culture, the same can be said for basically any change in society, it simply has to be taught. If a child of a long line of saints were to be raised by a group of phychopaths, that child would become a phychopath.Nurture vs nature
@mabon2011 Eliminating material scarcity in order to meet the needs of people is central to the workings of The Venus Project (TVP)'s resource-based economy. The idea that "human nature" is flexible based on the environment is why TVP talks about "human behavior" instead of human nature. Living in a high-technology society where most scarcity has been eliminated will undoubtedly cause positive changes in human behavior in the way that you've described. I believe we are in agreement.
@mabon2011 That is what a lot of people think about human history and "human nature", but the truth is that for more than 90% of human existence (pre-Neolithic revolution), societies have been non-hierarchical, non-competitive, egalitarian, leaderless social groups. Our genes give us the capacity for a wide range of behaviors, but it's primarily the environment that influences complex social behavior. For details, go watch Peter Joseph's lecture "Social Pathology".
I can only imagine how beautiful our world will be without money. People, just use your imagination. Things can be so much better (without money). shall I say it will be like "heaven" on Earth ? ;-)
Princeton University published a study that showed that people earning more than $75,000, a middle-class salary by the way, were much happier than those earning less. TVP would answer this by saying "it's not the lack of money that made those making less than $75,000 sad, it's their lack of availability to resources that made them sad". Which is true to an extent, though it doesn't mean that a monetary system is bad, it means there are problems with the current distribution of wealth.
@TheWALOS and I think the Venus Project is the solution as it distributes wealth evenly among all people and that for sure. There is no elitism in the concept what Venus Project offers, but money creates elitism and also poor people, and that is certain. I think there can be no equality in a monetary system.
What about the problem of inequitable resource distribution? What if you don't have enough of one resource to supply an equitable standard of living for everyone? What if (just for the sake of making an example) you don't have enough resources to give everyone on earth a bike? Do you give some people bikes, or nobody bikes?
@TheWALOS I think those who need a bike will get a bike and so with everything else. I think if this will fully work, people's value systems will change and people won't want to have a lot of things. I mean things like fancy house, cars, lot of clothes and so on. It would also be everybody's priority to distribute all the resources to everybody who needs them. Possession is mostly a burden in my opinion and the more we share the better.
@TheWALOS you make horrible deductions, if you knew something about venus project you should know that this project is always dealing with the most advanced technology and that means working with artificial resources for making objects, electronics or whatever just for making unlimited amounts of it (in the case of the bike or whatever else you want)
your sarcasm and labeling is too much out of the sync of these concepts
It's unfortunate that the one activist movement on earth with the tallest order to fill, the most taxing burden, and the need for the most advanced forms of technology, are all a bunch of half-witted retards that would know how to implement their system if they tried. I've yet to meet an intelligent and committed member of The Zeitgeist Movement. They all spit the same half-reasoned drivel; "We'll give everyone everything, somehow".
I don't think the main purpose of the zeitgeist movement is to create a new system that others will live in. The purpose is to inform and to make people think. If you like it you can join and together we can build a better society. After all the system is made up of all the people. The system is not separate from the people. Thats the way i see it anyway.
@TheWALOS Alternate ways can be found to get people what they truly need. There are workarounds. It's also changing people's values through education, to know what they truly need.
@thomasnordwest When a person suffers from chronic headaches should they just keep popping pills, or should they figure out what's going on so they can actually prevent the headaches from happening? Without money we die, or we live very substandard lives. That causes the attachment to money. Do we say shame on you for being attached to something, or do we remove the attachment all together?
Jesus first called them hypocrites, and then asked one of them to produce a Roman coin that would be suitable for paying Caesar’s tax. One of them showed him a Roman coin, and he asked them whose name and inscription were on it.
They JESUS answered, “Caesar’s,” and he responded “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and give to God what is God’s.”
@ethanonline says "Big government is not an issue, it's what values that the big government hold to."
Well, may you're wrong. No matter if people in government may have good intentions and values, a CENTRALIZED SYSTEM that gives all the power to those people for controlling you will tend to be corrupted.
See this video from Jacques Fresco (genious behind Venus project), as he said "we don't need honest people" watch?v=a75bP21xC8g
@vegnagunL Your perception is all that is making it scary. I do not find the voices scary at all, and I think they're doing it to prove a point; that human labour is not needed when machines can do the particular task, like this voice over.
This video actually just about makes me want to cry, the logic is infallible yet our society continues to exist in this low level monetary system? Things need to be changed.
No one have contacted me on skype. I guess that it is easier to pretend that you care for the environment than actually understanding what is possible and what not. if you don't doubt your ideology it may be wrong and you have spent a lot of time defending it wit jus good sounding phrases like: "It is good for the environment", "Money is the root of all evil"...
@ivailoi123 you said "Money is the root of all evil"... Are you aware that both TZM and TVP do not endorse a false dichotomy such as you statement creates? I apologize that I do not have access to skype on this borrowed computer I am currently using, but if I did have access, why would I connect with you on it? You are unable to leave a permanent record in type of your information? Any information you have is still subject to change in the future (near or far)
@ivailoi123 you said " No one have contacted me on skype. I guess that it is easier to pretend that you care for the environment than actually understanding what is possible and what not."
And you are an authority on what is possible? How so? Why so?
Do you deny that including 'reuseability' as a function in the design/manufacturing process of products is good for the environment?Why is this function so rarely seen in design/manufacturing?
TVP does not reject religion as a whole. There are certain aspects from religions that are in tune with the nature and positive social values, but there are other aspects which are superstitious and irrelevant to social progress. For example, religions teach us to care for others and respect others but in reality the monetary system promotes what totally conflicts with these positive values. For the sake of profit, people don't care for others, and certainly don't respect others.
@ivailoi123 Thanks for the invitation, but I hope you understand I have nothing against you personally. I think conversations on this topic should be transparent and visible for everyone else here to read.
@ethanonline I agree on transparency issue. But chatting here is so slow. Lets chat on skype and later you can post here to everyone that you were proven wrong ;)
@ivailoi123 There's nothing to debate about. Through science and technology, we managed to mechanize more and more things, improving our life experiences. However, at the same time, capitalism brings the best of life only to the rich and powerful, while we have children starving to death, people suffering from post-war environment, people depending on jobs to pay off bills, loans, mortgages and expenses for basic needs. Defending capitalism is the same as supporting suffering.
@ethanonline It is not capitalism that causes poverty and wars and suffering. It is big government that totally messed up the capitalism. There is a lot to debate if you are not afraid to be proven wrong. I repeat PROVEN wrong.
@ivailoi123 Big government is not an issue, it's what values that the big government hold to. In a monetary system, a big government's core priority is always profit. Hence the abuse of power. Capitalism is the big incentive for big governments in this system. That's why we always live in a state of competition and conflicts, everyone wants to take as much as they can from the market share.
That is just an age-old lie which capitalists use to defend themselves. Free market does not work, that was proven back in the time of the Industrial revolution.
@fakeham You are sitting behind a computer because of industrial revolution. peple had hard times before the industrialization. I can agree completely that today free market is not working, but because it is so distorted by government intervention. Free market is not perfect but rises the standard of living for everyone, rich get richer, poor get richer too. Compare your standard of living with the one of a great king from the past.
Yeah, and people also had shitty working conditions and health conditions were horrible. Ever read "The Jungle"? Not to mention, big businesses were able to monopolize oil and steel. Economics is a zero-sum game, there is no way to make everyone rich without inflation. The biggest problem of monetary systems in general is that labor is at odds with progress. People are being put out of work by ever advancing technology and monetary systems only hinder humanity's progress.
@ivailoi123 please show how you would estimate 'free market' would progress worldwide, without government intervention(regulation&enforcement). In what way would this differ from organized crime?If 'free market' is distorted by government intervention as you say, how do you know this is true? Has there ever been a 'free market' you can point to that lacked regulation & enforcement? How will lessening this(regs&enforcement) improve life for all humans?
JF wants to abandon religion and move to philosophy. Something that admire him for.
if 80% of the population on earth consider them religious in some way. You will have hard time convincing them that religion have few moral benefits and ton of stupid superstitions that are incompatible with resource base economy of JF. before someone says that atheism is not required for VP, please research more of JF interviews.
@ivailoi123 You dont get the point do you? The venus project isnt about removing money but making the world a better place. The idea is to educate people a use technology in its most efficent forum. Just because you dont beleave it will work dosent meen it wont. Money was only designed to be a way to trade goods equaly but now days it is like a level were the more money you have the more important you are.
Why don't you all followers of the movement register a company, where each participant have an equal share? Each person that joins the "Venus Company" brings X of the evil money, which are spent for the last time for resources that the community needs to expand with one member. You can live your heaven while making all the sustainable agriculture, recycling etc. If it is so effective everyone will join until the whole world becomes money free. My bet is that you will fail.
@All I have watched everything that exists online about Venus Project and JF. I probably know more about the technologies and science than most of you. And I still think that we don't have all that is needed in order to work as JF wants. If you don't deliver everything to everyone people will become envy. unless you have 100% robotisation of all the unpleasant work, there will not be many volunteers to take the job.
@ivailoi123 All of the unpleasant work can be automated &/or made obsolete by city systems which produce, assemble, and transport goods via mechanization & strategic design. You also have to understand how values are constantly changing, what people thought was normal 200 years ago would be baffling to us now (slavery), the same goes for what we consider normal today (profit & money). Things like envy & greed will have no reason to exist in a society of abundance, people reflect their culture.
@ivailoi123 all of your posts make an assumption that having all basic needs accounted for and available to you from birth on is not desirable. Also you make the assumption that what you call 'unpleasant work' is equally unpleasant to all humans. This is limiting your scope of thought.Is it not 'worth it' to learn how to do your part to keep society on course for sustainability, while recieving relevant education above and beyond that while enjoying a high living standard?
@ivailoi123 you said "@All I have watched everything that exists online about Venus Project and JF. I probably know more about the technologies and science than most of you."
well, by all means, carry on with your educating us about all these insurmountable(now and future) difficulties present in TVP's methodology. Do you deny that there are many potential energy sources on earth that are underutilized? Do you deny that electronic monitoring of resources is possible?Are you just a naysayer?
@ethanonline But you do support it. The point is that the ideas of TVP are so incredibly farfetched that neither you nor your grandchildren will see them occur. In the meantime you will have consented to have your birthright as a human hijacked by what is essentially the SAME system that you are in now,except that the one you want has NO WAY for you to escape the absolute misery. Read the Activist Orientation Guide PPS. 46-60+
@filmbeau Farfetched or not, it's still a viable system to replace the monetary economy. I don't necessarily live my life in misery as you assume, as I do not spend all my time on TVP. I still enjoy what I can afford now, and I grateful that I'm considered more fortunate compared to a lot of underprivileged and poor people out there. What I do for TVP is to help spreading the message which eventually leads to the mass awareness that calls for the change in a global and bold level.
@filmbeau Youre taking what the orientation states way out of context, just because decision making takes into account all of the Earths resources doesnt = corruption. You assume that centralized decision making = tyranny, this is irrational fear. Centralized decision making is a logical step if we are to provide abundance to everyone. It is the only way to accurately calculate available resources & depletion rates on a global scale & global interaction is needed for free exchange of resources.
@heffenuts Agreed. Tyranny in the understandings of many people, are usually absolute ruler/power, but what they didn't take into account is, money can be used to enslave others in a monetary system for protection, control and servitude, hence the abuse factor is there. In RBE where there is no money, and everything provided free for everyone, there are no reasons or tools to control anyone. Different social system creates a different set of values.
@ethanonline I don't understand how you propose to change the system you call corrupt and support it at the same time? That is the big problem with TVP. They say many things but there really is nothing there. I understand that we are in an abundant world and the scarcities are artificial, I just don't think TVP has any realistic inkling of how to solve it.
@filmbeau What's so difficult to understand? I am living in this system and in order to meet my physiological needs, I need to consume food. However, due to the nature of this system, I will first need to earn 'money', before I can exchange them for food. This doesn't necessarily means the system is good, and certainly doesn't mean I must support it.
We are not talking about a small project here, it's a project that needs mass awareness in a global level before the next step.
@filmbeau We want to change the social system, it's not as simple as changing clothes or changing a car. That's why the first and foremost is to educate, communicate and help people to understand what a resource based economy is.
@ethanonline I don't understand how you propose to change the system you call corrupt and support it at the same time? That is the big problem with TVP. They say many things but there really is nothing there. I understand that we are in an abuncdant world and the scarcities are artificial, I just don't think TVP has any realistic inkling of how to solve it.
@ethanonline Do you have a job? Do you think your job is only there to support a corrupt system and has no other use? Then you are a traitor to your own cause. You need to quit it and do something meaningful with your life, rather than be a slave and a traitor. It must feel terrible to be you.
@filmbeau I have a job because I have to pay for food, energy, well everything. It's what the system imposes upon everyone. What you don't understand is, we have more than enough resources to meet everyone's needs, but not everyone has the money to buy them. With the use of science and technology, goods can be made abundant to us without wastage. We have food on supermarket shelves and children starving to death at the same time. It's a corrupt system, and yes, basically we are all corrupt.
@ethanonline That is an incorrect statement. Everything supports the monetary system. There is no getting away from it at present so to say the jobs are useless otherwise is completely unsupportable.
@SovereignBeing Exactly. Venus=Lucifer. The symbolism is everywhere.
@filmbeau What I said is not a statement. It's a fact. Everything has to support the monetary system because it makes people think that they have no choice but to comply to the system, get a job and earn income in order to survive. Before money was invented, Barter runs the social system, before Barter, there was other social systems. There's no reason to keep the monetary system running given all the problems it creates. What matters is resources, not money.
@SovereignBeing Don't be silly. There's no such things as angels, demons or devils. They were all created by humans in the past as a form of religious ploy to make people obedient. I'm surprised that you still believe in superstitious beings in the era of information technology.
@ethanonline lol yeah,, and rainbows dont exist either, silly old me, i should just be glued to my ipod and getting brain damage from my mobile phone, not worrying about such things huh..?!
@SovereignBeing LOL what are you talking about. I have seen rainbows, and they are spectrums of light as the sun shines over droplets of moisture in the Earth's atmosphere. This is proven by science and experiments. Are you trying to say that supernatural beings exist and they have been proven scientifically with experiments too??
@heffenuts Okay, so what about the other 999,998 types of jobs without automation? Send me a list and I will be a convert to the religion of Zeitgeist.
@filmbeau The 999,998 jobs you are talking about are basically jobs created by the monetary system to:
1) support the monetary system
2) maintain the status quo of the rich and powerful
3) do patchwork for issues created by the monetary system
Politicians, economists, lawyers, police, military, salesmen, bankers, brokers and basically any and every job that has nothing to do with real contributions to humanity.
@filmbeau Send me a list of any job you can think of, and I will gladly illustrate how we can overcome those occupations with technological innovation. The only occupations that would really need to exist are, engineers, teachers, researchers, scientists, social coordinators, and technicians...basically all jobs that people like to do and would gladly do without pay, especially when services and goods are provided for free.
@heffenuts If automation could occur on the level you propose, it would already be so. Corporations have always eagerly embraced replacing people with machines and if it isn't being done now, then it can't currently be done. This new world you are proposing just won't materialize for anyone even on the horizon of being alive now. And if people donate their labor, it won't materialize.
@filmbeau I just watched a film today, google it if you'd like, on dairy farms. The farmer can milk several hundred cows a day without ever needing to touch a teat! The cows even decide when they want to be milked & the whole process is completely automated. Steel production in the US has increased three fold over the last five decades, yet the steel industry workforce has decreased by almost 75%. This is a real trend that some call 'The contradiction of Capitalism', and should be celebrated!
Every year, people donate millions of their hours to volunteer organizations. Furthermore, George Washington Carver was a man who declined an invitation to work for a salary of more than $100,000 a year (almost a million today) to continue his research on behalf of his community. Carver did not patent or profit from most of his products. He freely gave his discoveries to mankind, and not to the monetary system.
This is amazingly done short video. It's like a manifestation of my own thoughts that I have been trying to explain to others about Venus Project and ZM, though unsuccessfully. I think its an excellent video to show to everybody.
@heffenuts You are talking about remarkable people doing remarkable things, not the vast amounts of stoop labor required to do the work of feeding housing and clothing a civilization of worldwide proportions. Quit commenting on my fear, my lack of understanding, and other things you can have no knowledge of. If you are trying to get me to resort to name calling because that is your only defense-it won't work.
@filmbeau That vast amount of work you are referring to can be completely automated and should be. Mechanization produces more at faster rates, doesnt need pay, can be designed with redundancy and failsafes built in. If we want to provide for the world we need to use automation wherever possible, the only thing stopping us today is the labor for income paradigm. People believe its necessary for them to work repetitive mindless jobs for meager pay bc resources are scarce & need monetary rationing
Listen, I'm a member of TZM but this kind of bad presentation I think actually works against our goals. We need intelligent people to spread the word and such a person will not be convinced by such a poorly made argument.
floppymax 21 hours ago
Thats what i genuinly call a tear jerker. Surely im not the only 1! I felt like that when i first heard about TVP through the zeitgeist films. I'm not a very emotional person. I even feel awkward telling someone i love them, even my mum. Although i do. TVP jt touches a nerve. Im open to the idea that i could of bought in2 something stupid by being a supporter but i'm going to go with what im calling my "gut feeling" and continue to support TVP, by at the very least talking to others.Thumbs up
chloe290983 2 weeks ago
what about greed?
mysteek29 4 months ago
@mysteek29, If theres no reward for it, it wont occur.
pommyrooter 4 months ago
you cant get rid of money, money is not what people want, its the oppurtunities that come with money, if you have a lot of money you can afford big houses, nice cars, & delicious food. & people work hard for that money (most of the time). they even everything out in a communist society, communisum was a good idea because people wont be homeless or starve but a bad one because people wouldnt be able to move up either. in this society we have A LOT of freedom.
angelenetorres 4 months ago
@angelenetorres, We have a lot of freedom in this society because we take from another.
pommyrooter 4 months ago
money is not the root of evil. Greed and other human emotions are, but you can't get rid of them, or you would be taking away a part of humanity.
Vulturer 4 months ago
@Vulturer there is no human nature there is human behavior these things are learned there is no natural law that makes money exist
HernandeztheHero 4 months ago
I think we might need to keep money as a regulator. Or else we will have to have billions if people working within administration to calculate how much resources can be spent.
gulbirk 5 months ago
Good video, thanks for sharing!
ricksjamplace 6 months ago
This is the mental exercise i usually do:
Think about an alien civilization, in some distant galaxy. They started 10k years before us, so today it's 10k years ahead of us.
Do you think what they have is closer to what we have today, or do they live in a system closer to the Resource based economic model??
I'll let you be the judge of that!
TheDarkFenix 6 months ago
Money itself is not evil. It is an evolved version of barter.
I think the Venus Project and Zeitgeist are part of a movement whereby we are cognizant of our evolution away from the need for money.
But don't fool yourself. Many of us live in a wealthy country and have come to believe that scarcity does not exist. I don't think we're there yet. But we can be.
ConstantBurningFire 7 months ago
An interesting, utopian, but flawed concept. It disregards human nature, specifically attributes like greed, the desire for new things, and the desire for power over others. Machines will do the work while we play on the beach? Ain't gonna happen! Who will build, own, and maintain the machines? Why will they do that if they aren't remunerated for it?
A better system would be a hybrid of this and capitalism: food, drink,clothing, healthcare & shelter for all; work for anything beyond that.
ChipArgyle 7 months ago
@ChipArgyle This is not Utopian the Venus Project is a progresive society that changes based on the nesds of the people and the progress of technology and knowledge not an established one youre society IS the Utopia. There is NO human nature there is human BEHAVIOR these things are learned nor is it genetic just in case youre goin there. Its The enviroment shapes us makes us who we are
HernandeztheHero 4 months ago
@HernandeztheHero There is no human nature? You're denying something called genetics. Or you're simply goofing around with semantics. Either way, you're denying what we are. Studies have repeatedly shown that we're about 80% nature, 20% nurture (environment). Where other than Jacque Franco's mouth did you come up with your idea?
ChipArgyle 4 months ago
@HernandeztheHero im not denying genetics im denying the mith that genetics are responsible for shaping our behavior the Idea that *Its genetic* is a very dangerous assumtion its a cop out so that there is no need to use resources or to change the bad things in society that make people who they are its all about enviroment please study this before you create more damage
HernandeztheHero 4 months ago
subtitles please!
pphaY 7 months ago
Well Done!... Excellent Dialogue and Analogies!
Peace IS Possible :~ )
lrwwolf 8 months ago
I continue loving this video. ^^
Play671 8 months ago
If you support the venus project and zeitgeist mvoement, i support too with you. by welcome to my channel of production. :)
Zeitproduction 8 months ago
It's a travesty when two ppl living in the same town, and one has more cars than he drive, more food than he can eat, and more money than he can spend while another man walks, wonders how he will feed his family, and living dollar to dollar. The amount of money in our monetary system is a finite value so when some ppl have vulgar amounts of money it automatically creates ppl who are impoverished.
bastardoftheparty1 8 months ago 2
Family,Friends and loved ones will tell you We Love You... We can share love and friendship ...BUT... We can NEVER Share Money... Sorry....
horuslovechild2 8 months ago
I completely support this project. I'm already teaching it to my 6th grade students (12 year olds), I played them Zeitgeist: Addendum, and did a Socratic Dialogue about it. They are to bring me essays about what they agree with or not and why. But even though they like the idea, they experience a big turn off... the bashing of religion. They are all from Christian families, and as a believer in God (not in religions) I don't see the need to try to impose atheism to support this great idea.
dtruemetallian 9 months ago
@dtruemetallian u r right, the zietgeist doesnt bash, they simply point out thing religiouss ppl already know, or dont care to know, bashing religion, is saying religious ppl have the same level of intelligence as toddlers who still believe in santa bcuz they were told that he is real, they actually try to act like theres a difference... but thank you for caring enuff to help your students, i too have started a dialogue amoung those around me, and online
evolvedliving 8 months ago
The ideas presented hrere are pretty interesting but I can't take it seriously because of the ridiculas video :) lol
Megadeathsherald 9 months ago
This is what TV will look like under TZM's bullshit RBE. Get ready :)
firuinthehouse 10 months ago
Also anyone who ignores this project is really stupid to the point of view that this could be the salvation of many. No war in which ordinary humanity can gain, imagine the 3rd world war. This project can save our lives and have better relationships with everyone around us without fear. HOW TO FUCK, YOU WANT CHANGE, IF YOU IGNORE A WALK A PROJECT THAT CAN SAVE UP TO MY ASS? For those who do not want change are ignorant, I do not give heed to these people, all that is needed is support.
Play671 10 months ago
Without any real thought the concept of a resource based economy does seem a bit daunting and scary because it seems unfamiliar. If you use or work on an Open Source project, volunteer, or have a healthy family you're already familiar with the concepts. No one will be forced to do anything. The social environment is psychologically nurturing and encourages people to pursue their interests and passions. With people so busy pursuing their dreams, overpopulation will not be problem.
SpeedKreature 11 months ago 3
omg this video is a fail take it down
SkateSAUGA 11 months ago
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TVP and TZM are TERRORIST GROUP CELLS working to pass RBE that is 100% trick to fool people to join a memebrship that has only one GOAL! TO make a super Migragrion trigger of Humans that not only kills some 100 million off the bat that try but destroys the systems of all nations and makes all anations figh each other to stop migrations... They are LUCIFER worshipers and L:UCIFER is an AI intelligence they claim to be "getting ready for" and 99% of humans will die as USELESS! LOSE LOSE!
Peterwhitlock 11 months ago
@Peterwhitlock
You're an idiot in the real meaning of of the word, wich is "lack of something"
Themarcelodamian2010 11 months ago 5
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@Themarcelodamian2010
is that why we have a link to the FBI and IRS at worldpress dot com
Is it because you did not know what inference means or that to do inference from Hitler and world war 2 is to want to make war to remove democracy and Human opinion.
Gee what part of killl Billions then blame the members of TVP and TZM as scape goats same as last time with Hitler's brown pants..all dead 1st to be drafted and die. The no democracy and no Human opinion and infer from past example...
Peterwhitlock 10 months ago
@Peterwhitlock
wtf are you talking about man
Themarcelodamian2010 10 months ago 2
@Peterwhitlock, ;) Good job mate making yourself look like an ass, you've excelled yourself this time.
pommyrooter 4 months ago
If people didn't have to work there would be a serious overpopulation problem. Lot's of sex!!!
cyphi1 11 months ago
@cyphi1 just because theres more sex dosent mean people will have more children...
tiagom135 10 months ago
@tiagom135 people have kids by accident all the time. There will be lots of accidents.
cyphi1 10 months ago
@cyphi1 ever heard of abortion? lol
tiagom135 10 months ago
@tiagom135 that's not the best solution.
cyphi1 10 months ago
@cyphi1, I know you wrote this a long time ago but if youre willing i would like to, in a mature manner, discuss a few details with you.
pommyrooter 4 months ago
@pommyrooter express yourself my friend.
cyphi1 4 months ago
@cyphi1, You said that serious overpopulation would be a serious problem because of all the sexy time. I think i can counter with a proper management of the carrying capacity via the most efficient means of production when it comes to food water shelter etc, that more than double our current population can be catered for with abundance. Meaning the population size wouldn't matter for a very large period of time. By the time of when over population does become a problem a solution can be found
pommyrooter 4 months ago
@pommyrooter I agree that efficient use of resources could hypothetically allow for a world with many times the current human population. But a RBE isn't a realistic option at this moment in time given the immature spiritual state of man. Corruption, thievery and exploitation are the zeitgeists which enslave humanity. If this system was implemented and successful, war would be waged against its promoters. Humans are driven by ego. Since birth we have been conditioned to perceive inequality.
cyphi1 4 months ago
@cyphi1, You didn't blow your head off i am impressed haha. Im glad you didn't say an RBE isn't possible at all like most irrational minded people, therefore my respect for you has quadrupled. I was going to discuss a few other things with you but i seem to have forgotten at this time and im sorry.
pommyrooter 4 months ago
This video blows, Truth or not, this video sucks. I hate these "half assed" animation videos. The audio is disgusting as well. The "computer voice" video style is annoying as hell. I would rather hear some sort of annoying human voice than a decent computer voice.
myrmidon666 11 months ago
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TVP is a scam to steal donations and RBE means 100% that you give up all you see in the clip or share it with 12 other people to make us all equals more and forget steak! You ear patties of meat forever and with rice and beans... so you be like the POOR you7 mock with RBE and JOIN them to learn RBE is 100% lies that can't even work is a hooker exist on Earth!
Peterwhitlock 11 months ago
WE CAN ALREADY start to work only for free in the image of wikipedia collaborators, start sharing our home grown food and CLAIM all for free - free WATERS. FREE SPACE, FREE LANDS. FREE PETROL. FREE MINERALS... in the name of real human birthrights!
No need to wait for any technocracy ! A GIFT ECONOMY& PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY = real SOLUTION
gifteconomy12 11 months ago 18
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@gifteconomy12
YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
Itr is the REVERSE you moron! it is no more good food and lots of migration to share you RICH man Home with even if on welfare you are richer so they come to share what you HAVE MORE than the rest! IDIOT!
They come to take the land and the riches because you stole it and RBE say give it BACK! SO rice and beans with strange meat loaf for you fools!
or a gun and a front line to die on like the last6 time Hitler tried this! but just for whites!
Peterwhitlock 11 months ago
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Tekk711 10 months ago 2
@Peterwhitlock, STFU man youre very delusional, an obvious and stupid troll. Wake the fuck up seriously.
pommyrooter 4 months ago
@gifteconomy12 A gift economy? What's the incentive of harnessing resources if you give it away?
Trimbler00 10 months ago
@Trimbler00 While you are giving to your friends or anyone... you are creating a better world where ABUNDANCE IS AVAILABLE TO ALL 6 BILLION PEOPLE... and not to very few ones!
A day when you have to close your eyes - you can not take with you in the other world anything from here - better you share now and herel!
gifteconomy12 10 months ago
It will be very good if someone subtitles these cartoons into spanish. There is a lot of people in Spain and in Latin America who will need to understand the concepts presented in those cartons.
acuaman42 11 months ago
If you agree with this video then join the Zeitgeist Movement research project on BOINC. google it.
Buybuffalo2 1 year ago
I am still not sure who will want to work a cleaners, dishwashers or sanitarian workers on this egualitarian society?
JeanCezarBarros 1 year ago
@JeanCezarBarros Then the controlling elites have done their jobs well.
boumar19721972 1 year ago
@JeanCezarBarros Mundane human tasks will, and can be automated.
Erhoben 1 year ago
@JeanCezarBarros That's the whole idea of automation. Machines will do that, Just as we have dishwashers, Automated car washes and sophisticated computers than assist pilots in landing aircraft. It's already happening and is possible.
OQUENDO1968 1 year ago
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thealiaslife 1 year ago
We will only work on the technology that really matters, no incentive to do otherwise.
marklavin 1 year ago
@marklavin what matters is subjective so there will be quite alot of incentive to do all kinds of things... but yeah - plastic dog-poop and high-heel shoes might be the exception if you know what I mean
LazarusCato 1 year ago
more willing to speak truth to power, willing to innovate, etc, and the powers that be won't have so much power to tell their minions to kill innovation, free energy, per se. They will lose control of the people, if the people are able to feed themselves using regenerative ecological principles, and since they themselves are comprised of people, their own corporate ladders will become less and less compelling. In this environment huge and authentic technological innovations become possible.
marklavin 1 year ago
land, or working with the land is the better word will remove most of the social programming. It just isn't possible to think of yourself as separate from nature, a helpless, alienated creature, when you have direct experience of your own life processes serving the ecosystem that serves you. When every one of us has direct experience that there is natural law, we'll start to lose our depression, etc. We'll also not be dependent on money for survival in large numbers. Thus we'll be far (cont'd)
marklavin 1 year ago
Got a richer sense of RBE with the 3rd movie. I think it's going to have to happen in a kind of open-source and emergent way. No problem with that... and only likely to happen to its fullest potential with permaculture flowing like a mighty river in our society. Permaculture is a way that we can take food out of the money system through grassroots operation. It's also a way that we as humans can reconnect with nature; the resultant spiritual transformations that come with working on the (cont'd)
marklavin 1 year ago
peace is possible
AfroBotSays 1 year ago
All the arm waving is funny as hell, but the take on the "economic" system is infallible. The impact on the people in my life and how we relate to each other is heartbreaking. Still I find RBE unsatisfying, and know of a way out that is truly real and profoundly honoring - permaculture. There are lots of resources online, google it. It will take discipline, creativity and courage, but if we take it on with real intelligence, the financial system will eventually lose its grip on our culture.
marklavin 1 year ago
@marklavin hmm i still find RBE more advanced than permaculture.
permaculture seems to be a more advanced form of the way our ancestors lived.
can you elaborate?
AfroBotSays 1 year ago
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marklavin 1 year ago
Oh, I'm sorry, I mean all the series of this film (also including part3, or successvie parts).
sydstf 1 year ago
Hi, questionsleadtotruth, sorry to bother you, but could you please put the English subtitles onto the films(part1 and part2), so that I could share them on the internet? It's because I'm not a native-English speaker, so it's best that I have the English subtitles to recoomend to and share with others. If you could put subtitles, thank you very mcuh in advance!
sydstf 1 year ago
what about religion?
money isnt the only problem - its religion that most wars are fought over
2dboy 1 year ago
@2dboy i beg to differ, take 1 course in college history and you'll see that religion is just the facade, religious reasons are always, at most, in the hearts of the peons and footsoldiers, but the real reasons for war are political and economic
DesertHamster 1 year ago
@DesertHamster i dont have to go to college to have a brain, but thanks
2dboy 1 year ago
@2dboy true enough
DesertHamster 1 year ago
the problem is that illuminati will still be controlling our shit.
3VOLution3NO 1 year ago
@3VOLution3NO how?
V3N0MousProductions 1 year ago
@mabon2011 then propose your modifications! that is what the whole resource based econemy system is about anyways. everyone contributing to make the system function better as a whole. all ideas and new thoughts are welcome!
LegoHog4001 1 year ago
@mabon2011
A dolphin can't technically invent tools to enhance resource output like humans can this is what keeps our resources from depleting compared to the dolphin and if intelligently applied we can technically create resources artificially or naturally to feed the world, eliminating this predator instinct to take new form. it must be done in the most environmental way possible its quite fascinating.
BeTheChange408 1 year ago
I love the message, but hate the acting and arm waving lol. but it's true, we have to change NOW!
javonne 1 year ago
@javonne lol, I think the acting and arm waving makes it funny in a cheesy way XD
TVPchallenge 1 year ago
@mabon2011 there truely is no such thing as ingrained human nature in a negative way, if a chinese baby were to be raised in austrailia, by australian parents, he or she would adopt the language patturns, thinking processes, mannerisms and values of the australian culture, the same can be said for basically any change in society, it simply has to be taught. If a child of a long line of saints were to be raised by a group of phychopaths, that child would become a phychopath.Nurture vs nature
wolfriderxxx 1 year ago
@mabon2011 Eliminating material scarcity in order to meet the needs of people is central to the workings of The Venus Project (TVP)'s resource-based economy. The idea that "human nature" is flexible based on the environment is why TVP talks about "human behavior" instead of human nature. Living in a high-technology society where most scarcity has been eliminated will undoubtedly cause positive changes in human behavior in the way that you've described. I believe we are in agreement.
SecondVerseSociety 1 year ago
@mabon2011 That is what a lot of people think about human history and "human nature", but the truth is that for more than 90% of human existence (pre-Neolithic revolution), societies have been non-hierarchical, non-competitive, egalitarian, leaderless social groups. Our genes give us the capacity for a wide range of behaviors, but it's primarily the environment that influences complex social behavior. For details, go watch Peter Joseph's lecture "Social Pathology".
SecondVerseSociety 1 year ago
I can only imagine how beautiful our world will be without money. People, just use your imagination. Things can be so much better (without money). shall I say it will be like "heaven" on Earth ? ;-)
VenusAsABoyFilms 1 year ago
is this for babies
daithisogood 1 year ago
Princeton University published a study that showed that people earning more than $75,000, a middle-class salary by the way, were much happier than those earning less. TVP would answer this by saying "it's not the lack of money that made those making less than $75,000 sad, it's their lack of availability to resources that made them sad". Which is true to an extent, though it doesn't mean that a monetary system is bad, it means there are problems with the current distribution of wealth.
TheWALOS 1 year ago
@TheWALOS and I think the Venus Project is the solution as it distributes wealth evenly among all people and that for sure. There is no elitism in the concept what Venus Project offers, but money creates elitism and also poor people, and that is certain. I think there can be no equality in a monetary system.
Voodoonin7 1 year ago
@Voodoonin7
What about the problem of inequitable resource distribution? What if you don't have enough of one resource to supply an equitable standard of living for everyone? What if (just for the sake of making an example) you don't have enough resources to give everyone on earth a bike? Do you give some people bikes, or nobody bikes?
TheWALOS 1 year ago
@TheWALOS I think those who need a bike will get a bike and so with everything else. I think if this will fully work, people's value systems will change and people won't want to have a lot of things. I mean things like fancy house, cars, lot of clothes and so on. It would also be everybody's priority to distribute all the resources to everybody who needs them. Possession is mostly a burden in my opinion and the more we share the better.
Voodoonin7 1 year ago
@Voodoonin7
Ah, so you're talking about Communism. Karl Marx wrote about this.
TheWALOS 1 year ago
@TheWALOS you make horrible deductions, if you knew something about venus project you should know that this project is always dealing with the most advanced technology and that means working with artificial resources for making objects, electronics or whatever just for making unlimited amounts of it (in the case of the bike or whatever else you want)
your sarcasm and labeling is too much out of the sync of these concepts
Lagash 1 year ago
@Lagash
It's unfortunate that the one activist movement on earth with the tallest order to fill, the most taxing burden, and the need for the most advanced forms of technology, are all a bunch of half-witted retards that would know how to implement their system if they tried. I've yet to meet an intelligent and committed member of The Zeitgeist Movement. They all spit the same half-reasoned drivel; "We'll give everyone everything, somehow".
TheWALOS 1 year ago
@TheWALOS
I don't think the main purpose of the zeitgeist movement is to create a new system that others will live in. The purpose is to inform and to make people think. If you like it you can join and together we can build a better society. After all the system is made up of all the people. The system is not separate from the people. Thats the way i see it anyway.
jockejocke80 1 year ago
@TheWALOS Alternate ways can be found to get people what they truly need. There are workarounds. It's also changing people's values through education, to know what they truly need.
casperguylkn 1 year ago
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TheWALOS 1 year ago
Wonderful video <3
MsHolylove 1 year ago
ehehe ai lasat un indiciu pentru noi :)) bv
MrBananaverde 1 year ago
You can't oversimplify a complex issue. Great effort though.
BlueChipNinja 1 year ago
Whoever said that TZM is a bunch of "robots".. Fun video, good dialogue, get voice overs next time :P
BlueChipNinja 1 year ago
"what is your super power anyway?" "I stand awkwardly in one place for too long"
did anyone else immediately think this after the first 2 seconds? LOL
/watch?v=oQjPby366CA
yllierutube 1 year ago
Nice job here! Keep it up!
portugarijo 1 year ago
Where is PART 2?
rishigangoly 1 year ago
Nicely explained. Thanks for creating this. Good job.
rishigangoly 1 year ago
heaven on earth!
utopian!!
socialism!
frvfilms 1 year ago
@thomasnordwest When a person suffers from chronic headaches should they just keep popping pills, or should they figure out what's going on so they can actually prevent the headaches from happening? Without money we die, or we live very substandard lives. That causes the attachment to money. Do we say shame on you for being attached to something, or do we remove the attachment all together?
mattofqc 1 year ago
When asked, "Should we pay or shouldn't we?"
Jesus first called them hypocrites, and then asked one of them to produce a Roman coin that would be suitable for paying Caesar’s tax. One of them showed him a Roman coin, and he asked them whose name and inscription were on it.
They JESUS answered, “Caesar’s,” and he responded “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and give to God what is God’s.”
AquarianDerek 1 year ago
Money is not the problem. The problem is one's attachment to money. It's attachement that makes unhappy.
thomasnordwest 1 year ago
Over 3,000 views well done :) By the way how did you make this video?
IZMChapter 1 year ago
@ethanonline says "Big government is not an issue, it's what values that the big government hold to."
Well, may you're wrong. No matter if people in government may have good intentions and values, a CENTRALIZED SYSTEM that gives all the power to those people for controlling you will tend to be corrupted.
See this video from Jacques Fresco (genious behind Venus project), as he said "we don't need honest people" watch?v=a75bP21xC8g
superoptimo 1 year ago
good video.. but man i find this voices so scary, it´s to raw... no human emation tonation...
Even that the arguments are facts, the voice makes the arguments look silly... seems like a realy bad actor speaking.
I think its a good ideia avoid this computers voices...
vegnagunL 1 year ago
@vegnagunL Your perception is all that is making it scary. I do not find the voices scary at all, and I think they're doing it to prove a point; that human labour is not needed when machines can do the particular task, like this voice over.
This video actually just about makes me want to cry, the logic is infallible yet our society continues to exist in this low level monetary system? Things need to be changed.
kashmm 1 year ago
No one have contacted me on skype. I guess that it is easier to pretend that you care for the environment than actually understanding what is possible and what not. if you don't doubt your ideology it may be wrong and you have spent a lot of time defending it wit jus good sounding phrases like: "It is good for the environment", "Money is the root of all evil"...
Prove me wrong. Skype: ivo_skype
ivailoi123 1 year ago
@ivailoi123 you said "Money is the root of all evil"... Are you aware that both TZM and TVP do not endorse a false dichotomy such as you statement creates? I apologize that I do not have access to skype on this borrowed computer I am currently using, but if I did have access, why would I connect with you on it? You are unable to leave a permanent record in type of your information? Any information you have is still subject to change in the future (near or far)
IntuitiveLeap 1 year ago
@ivailoi123 you said " No one have contacted me on skype. I guess that it is easier to pretend that you care for the environment than actually understanding what is possible and what not."
And you are an authority on what is possible? How so? Why so?
Do you deny that including 'reuseability' as a function in the design/manufacturing process of products is good for the environment?Why is this function so rarely seen in design/manufacturing?
IntuitiveLeap 1 year ago
TVP does not reject religion as a whole. There are certain aspects from religions that are in tune with the nature and positive social values, but there are other aspects which are superstitious and irrelevant to social progress. For example, religions teach us to care for others and respect others but in reality the monetary system promotes what totally conflicts with these positive values. For the sake of profit, people don't care for others, and certainly don't respect others.
ethanonline 1 year ago
@ethanonline add me on skype please: ivo_skype
ivailoi123 1 year ago
@ivailoi123 Thanks for the invitation, but I hope you understand I have nothing against you personally. I think conversations on this topic should be transparent and visible for everyone else here to read.
ethanonline 1 year ago
@ethanonline I agree on transparency issue. But chatting here is so slow. Lets chat on skype and later you can post here to everyone that you were proven wrong ;)
If you are not afraid to defend your opinion.
ivailoi123 1 year ago
If anyone wants to debate me on Venus Project vs Capitalism you are wellcomed to do so on skype: ivo_skype
ivailoi123 1 year ago
@ivailoi123 There's nothing to debate about. Through science and technology, we managed to mechanize more and more things, improving our life experiences. However, at the same time, capitalism brings the best of life only to the rich and powerful, while we have children starving to death, people suffering from post-war environment, people depending on jobs to pay off bills, loans, mortgages and expenses for basic needs. Defending capitalism is the same as supporting suffering.
ethanonline 1 year ago
@ethanonline It is not capitalism that causes poverty and wars and suffering. It is big government that totally messed up the capitalism. There is a lot to debate if you are not afraid to be proven wrong. I repeat PROVEN wrong.
ivailoi123 1 year ago
@ivailoi123 Big government is not an issue, it's what values that the big government hold to. In a monetary system, a big government's core priority is always profit. Hence the abuse of power. Capitalism is the big incentive for big governments in this system. That's why we always live in a state of competition and conflicts, everyone wants to take as much as they can from the market share.
ethanonline 1 year ago
@ivailoi123
That is just an age-old lie which capitalists use to defend themselves. Free market does not work, that was proven back in the time of the Industrial revolution.
fakeham 1 year ago
@fakeham You are sitting behind a computer because of industrial revolution. peple had hard times before the industrialization. I can agree completely that today free market is not working, but because it is so distorted by government intervention. Free market is not perfect but rises the standard of living for everyone, rich get richer, poor get richer too. Compare your standard of living with the one of a great king from the past.
ivailoi123 1 year ago
@ivailoi123
Yeah, and people also had shitty working conditions and health conditions were horrible. Ever read "The Jungle"? Not to mention, big businesses were able to monopolize oil and steel. Economics is a zero-sum game, there is no way to make everyone rich without inflation. The biggest problem of monetary systems in general is that labor is at odds with progress. People are being put out of work by ever advancing technology and monetary systems only hinder humanity's progress.
fakeham 1 year ago
@ivailoi123 please show how you would estimate 'free market' would progress worldwide, without government intervention(regulation&enforcement). In what way would this differ from organized crime?If 'free market' is distorted by government intervention as you say, how do you know this is true? Has there ever been a 'free market' you can point to that lacked regulation & enforcement? How will lessening this(regs&enforcement) improve life for all humans?
IntuitiveLeap 1 year ago
I have a BIG Question?
How many of the followers here are religious ?
JF wants to abandon religion and move to philosophy. Something that admire him for.
if 80% of the population on earth consider them religious in some way. You will have hard time convincing them that religion have few moral benefits and ton of stupid superstitions that are incompatible with resource base economy of JF. before someone says that atheism is not required for VP, please research more of JF interviews.
ivailoi123 1 year ago
@ivailoi123 You dont get the point do you? The venus project isnt about removing money but making the world a better place. The idea is to educate people a use technology in its most efficent forum. Just because you dont beleave it will work dosent meen it wont. Money was only designed to be a way to trade goods equaly but now days it is like a level were the more money you have the more important you are.
GrandDesignsSims 1 year ago
Why don't you all followers of the movement register a company, where each participant have an equal share? Each person that joins the "Venus Company" brings X of the evil money, which are spent for the last time for resources that the community needs to expand with one member. You can live your heaven while making all the sustainable agriculture, recycling etc. If it is so effective everyone will join until the whole world becomes money free. My bet is that you will fail.
ivailoi123 1 year ago
@All I have watched everything that exists online about Venus Project and JF. I probably know more about the technologies and science than most of you. And I still think that we don't have all that is needed in order to work as JF wants. If you don't deliver everything to everyone people will become envy. unless you have 100% robotisation of all the unpleasant work, there will not be many volunteers to take the job.
ivailoi123 1 year ago
@ivailoi123 All of the unpleasant work can be automated &/or made obsolete by city systems which produce, assemble, and transport goods via mechanization & strategic design. You also have to understand how values are constantly changing, what people thought was normal 200 years ago would be baffling to us now (slavery), the same goes for what we consider normal today (profit & money). Things like envy & greed will have no reason to exist in a society of abundance, people reflect their culture.
heffenuts 1 year ago
@ivailoi123 all of your posts make an assumption that having all basic needs accounted for and available to you from birth on is not desirable. Also you make the assumption that what you call 'unpleasant work' is equally unpleasant to all humans. This is limiting your scope of thought.Is it not 'worth it' to learn how to do your part to keep society on course for sustainability, while recieving relevant education above and beyond that while enjoying a high living standard?
IntuitiveLeap 1 year ago
@ivailoi123 you said "@All I have watched everything that exists online about Venus Project and JF. I probably know more about the technologies and science than most of you."
well, by all means, carry on with your educating us about all these insurmountable(now and future) difficulties present in TVP's methodology. Do you deny that there are many potential energy sources on earth that are underutilized? Do you deny that electronic monitoring of resources is possible?Are you just a naysayer?
IntuitiveLeap 1 year ago
THe Lucifer project is a Deception>>!!
SovereignBeing 1 year ago
@SovereignBeing with your superstitious mentions, it's obvious who's the one doing the deception here...
ethanonline 1 year ago
LOVE LOVE LOVE this !!! Great JOB !!!
tmznoco 1 year ago
@ethanonline But you do support it. The point is that the ideas of TVP are so incredibly farfetched that neither you nor your grandchildren will see them occur. In the meantime you will have consented to have your birthright as a human hijacked by what is essentially the SAME system that you are in now,except that the one you want has NO WAY for you to escape the absolute misery. Read the Activist Orientation Guide PPS. 46-60+
filmbeau 1 year ago
@filmbeau Farfetched or not, it's still a viable system to replace the monetary economy. I don't necessarily live my life in misery as you assume, as I do not spend all my time on TVP. I still enjoy what I can afford now, and I grateful that I'm considered more fortunate compared to a lot of underprivileged and poor people out there. What I do for TVP is to help spreading the message which eventually leads to the mass awareness that calls for the change in a global and bold level.
ethanonline 1 year ago
@filmbeau Youre taking what the orientation states way out of context, just because decision making takes into account all of the Earths resources doesnt = corruption. You assume that centralized decision making = tyranny, this is irrational fear. Centralized decision making is a logical step if we are to provide abundance to everyone. It is the only way to accurately calculate available resources & depletion rates on a global scale & global interaction is needed for free exchange of resources.
heffenuts 1 year ago
@heffenuts Agreed. Tyranny in the understandings of many people, are usually absolute ruler/power, but what they didn't take into account is, money can be used to enslave others in a monetary system for protection, control and servitude, hence the abuse factor is there. In RBE where there is no money, and everything provided free for everyone, there are no reasons or tools to control anyone. Different social system creates a different set of values.
ethanonline 1 year ago
@ethanonline I don't understand how you propose to change the system you call corrupt and support it at the same time? That is the big problem with TVP. They say many things but there really is nothing there. I understand that we are in an abundant world and the scarcities are artificial, I just don't think TVP has any realistic inkling of how to solve it.
filmbeau 1 year ago
@filmbeau What's so difficult to understand? I am living in this system and in order to meet my physiological needs, I need to consume food. However, due to the nature of this system, I will first need to earn 'money', before I can exchange them for food. This doesn't necessarily means the system is good, and certainly doesn't mean I must support it.
We are not talking about a small project here, it's a project that needs mass awareness in a global level before the next step.
ethanonline 1 year ago
@filmbeau We want to change the social system, it's not as simple as changing clothes or changing a car. That's why the first and foremost is to educate, communicate and help people to understand what a resource based economy is.
ethanonline 1 year ago
@ethanonline I don't understand how you propose to change the system you call corrupt and support it at the same time? That is the big problem with TVP. They say many things but there really is nothing there. I understand that we are in an abuncdant world and the scarcities are artificial, I just don't think TVP has any realistic inkling of how to solve it.
filmbeau 1 year ago
Awesome! Thank you.
Voices are perfect, stylistic and cool. Keep!
Your other video about the FED is hilarious, love it. More please.
Money is the barrier. Accept that and the rest is self-evident. Peace is possible.
KlausBahnhof 1 year ago
Awesome!
KlausBahnhof 1 year ago
@ethanonline Do you have a job? Do you think your job is only there to support a corrupt system and has no other use? Then you are a traitor to your own cause. You need to quit it and do something meaningful with your life, rather than be a slave and a traitor. It must feel terrible to be you.
filmbeau 1 year ago
@filmbeau I have a job because I have to pay for food, energy, well everything. It's what the system imposes upon everyone. What you don't understand is, we have more than enough resources to meet everyone's needs, but not everyone has the money to buy them. With the use of science and technology, goods can be made abundant to us without wastage. We have food on supermarket shelves and children starving to death at the same time. It's a corrupt system, and yes, basically we are all corrupt.
ethanonline 1 year ago
@ethanonline That is an incorrect statement. Everything supports the monetary system. There is no getting away from it at present so to say the jobs are useless otherwise is completely unsupportable.
@SovereignBeing Exactly. Venus=Lucifer. The symbolism is everywhere.
filmbeau 1 year ago
@filmbeau What I said is not a statement. It's a fact. Everything has to support the monetary system because it makes people think that they have no choice but to comply to the system, get a job and earn income in order to survive. Before money was invented, Barter runs the social system, before Barter, there was other social systems. There's no reason to keep the monetary system running given all the problems it creates. What matters is resources, not money.
ethanonline 1 year ago
Rothschild funded false flag !! = venus aka Lucifer project..!
SovereignBeing 1 year ago
@SovereignBeing Don't be silly. There's no such things as angels, demons or devils. They were all created by humans in the past as a form of religious ploy to make people obedient. I'm surprised that you still believe in superstitious beings in the era of information technology.
ethanonline 1 year ago
@ethanonline lol yeah,, and rainbows dont exist either, silly old me, i should just be glued to my ipod and getting brain damage from my mobile phone, not worrying about such things huh..?!
SovereignBeing 1 year ago
@SovereignBeing LOL what are you talking about. I have seen rainbows, and they are spectrums of light as the sun shines over droplets of moisture in the Earth's atmosphere. This is proven by science and experiments. Are you trying to say that supernatural beings exist and they have been proven scientifically with experiments too??
ethanonline 1 year ago
@heffenuts Okay, so what about the other 999,998 types of jobs without automation? Send me a list and I will be a convert to the religion of Zeitgeist.
filmbeau 1 year ago
@filmbeau The 999,998 jobs you are talking about are basically jobs created by the monetary system to:
1) support the monetary system
2) maintain the status quo of the rich and powerful
3) do patchwork for issues created by the monetary system
Politicians, economists, lawyers, police, military, salesmen, bankers, brokers and basically any and every job that has nothing to do with real contributions to humanity.
ethanonline 1 year ago
@filmbeau Send me a list of any job you can think of, and I will gladly illustrate how we can overcome those occupations with technological innovation. The only occupations that would really need to exist are, engineers, teachers, researchers, scientists, social coordinators, and technicians...basically all jobs that people like to do and would gladly do without pay, especially when services and goods are provided for free.
heffenuts 1 year ago
@heffenuts If automation could occur on the level you propose, it would already be so. Corporations have always eagerly embraced replacing people with machines and if it isn't being done now, then it can't currently be done. This new world you are proposing just won't materialize for anyone even on the horizon of being alive now. And if people donate their labor, it won't materialize.
filmbeau 1 year ago
@filmbeau I just watched a film today, google it if you'd like, on dairy farms. The farmer can milk several hundred cows a day without ever needing to touch a teat! The cows even decide when they want to be milked & the whole process is completely automated. Steel production in the US has increased three fold over the last five decades, yet the steel industry workforce has decreased by almost 75%. This is a real trend that some call 'The contradiction of Capitalism', and should be celebrated!
heffenuts 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Every year, people donate millions of their hours to volunteer organizations. Furthermore, George Washington Carver was a man who declined an invitation to work for a salary of more than $100,000 a year (almost a million today) to continue his research on behalf of his community. Carver did not patent or profit from most of his products. He freely gave his discoveries to mankind, and not to the monetary system.
Skylinesandsunsets 1 year ago
This is amazingly done short video. It's like a manifestation of my own thoughts that I have been trying to explain to others about Venus Project and ZM, though unsuccessfully. I think its an excellent video to show to everybody.
Voodoonin7 1 year ago
@heffenuts oops, you are right. There seems to be a lag time.
filmbeau 1 year ago
@heffenuts You are talking about remarkable people doing remarkable things, not the vast amounts of stoop labor required to do the work of feeding housing and clothing a civilization of worldwide proportions. Quit commenting on my fear, my lack of understanding, and other things you can have no knowledge of. If you are trying to get me to resort to name calling because that is your only defense-it won't work.
filmbeau 1 year ago
@filmbeau That vast amount of work you are referring to can be completely automated and should be. Mechanization produces more at faster rates, doesnt need pay, can be designed with redundancy and failsafes built in. If we want to provide for the world we need to use automation wherever possible, the only thing stopping us today is the labor for income paradigm. People believe its necessary for them to work repetitive mindless jobs for meager pay bc resources are scarce & need monetary rationing
heffenuts 1 year ago