Unfortunately for little Timmy, the Denial Videos show that many parts of the Holocaust Story are physically impossible. The design of the actual delousing chambers used to keep the inmates healthy are still regarded as state of the art technology. The Germans were not as stupid as the Holocaust Story and little Timmy would suggest.
That door argument is total falacy. Here is why: You've got rooms on the left and the right. If you let people enter 2 by 2 the are able to go in the 2 rooms who are opposits of eachother at the same time. Instead they go in a line which would take longer to fill all rooms. This is the same as why a school's hallway usually has 2 doors.
@dirtypond13 I think the gas chamber question and the holocaust in general are two different questions. There are many questions that need to be answered about figures and the existance of gas chambers but that doesn't mean the holocaust didn't happen, the Nazis slaughtered jews all over europe
@TheHITLERFAN My facts about Paul Blobel. Sonnderaktion 1005. (To hide the evidence of the mass killings, etc). And, the German forces in France calling the 12th SS Panzer division, The murder division are all facts. Look em up. Also, the Einsaztgruppen killing squads. More I have these discussions with those who deny the Holocaust. Or, are neo-nazi. The more I learn why Hitler had to be stopped!
@TheHITLERFAN Maybe because even kids know that it happened! Ever hear of the Einsaztgruppen, Sonnderaktion 1005 and paul Blobel?. Here is a good question. What Division did the GERMAN forces in France call,"The Murder Division." For their executions of POWs? Give up? It was the 12th SS Panzer or Hitler Jugend.
It takes less time to fill a small room than it does to fill a big room with gas. This is obvious, but what is the point of stating this? A larger room holds more people as well, so it may take longer to fill the room, but the result of filling one large room is the same as filling multiple small rooms. Six of one half a dozen of the other.
So what exactly is your point? Or do you have one?
When U debunk something, you should understand the topic first, The germans took a lot of trouble to disguise the place as a synagogue mount A star of David at its entrance, give them a haircut first so they didnt think they were going to get killed and then you say they were whipped and kicked into the so called gas chember.....
@scrxbandit so really get over yourself and stop being a dick because whether you like it or not, this really did happen and it is the worst example of what human beings are capable of doing to each other. For you to deny it means that you are just stupid, closed-minded, and incredibly delusional
@1vgb if it really did happen and the jews really were "holocausted"....sorry but i have to laugh when i type that word loooooooooooooooooooooooool......
and they say never forget....well how come in 1945 the european jews all got on boats when to a country called palestine ....invented terrorism and began the genocide of the palestinian people...those jews forgot pretty fucking fast....
as for examples how about building a wall around 1.5 million people and imprisoning them for years murdering
@scrxbandit ... excuse me? um i think i do know whats doing on in the world asshole. it doesnt matter if you hate jewish people or not but this did happen. there is video, audio, and eye witness evidence that this happened. What you think that 6 million jews just took a trip to the moon?? personally i think that what happened to the palestinians was wrong. you cant just force someone of their land i understand that but what is happening in israel/palestine is by definition not a genocide
I cant believe that people would actually try to "disprove" the holocaust. Its sick. Besides the rooms were small because the gas chambers at Treblinka could only hold 200 people at a time. The gas chambers at Auschwitz could hold 2,000 people because Rudolf Hoss made it that way because he thought the Treblinka one (which he originally worked at) was too small.
This structure looks like a pig barn. I worked in pig barns for over a year when I was 13 and 14.
The entrance and hallway (5 feet wide) is for the worker with a wheelbarrow to attend to the stalls on either side and clean out the mess and bring in new straw.
The big doors on the outside are to let the pigs in and out of a fenced in yard.
I'm not saying that's what it is, but the pig barns I worked in were EXACTLY like that building. -Strange
Packing the victims as tightly as possible into small rooms would cause them to die quicker than they would in a big ground level room with higher ceilings. A big room with higher ceilings would leave more oxygen at their disposal.
We know that killing them wont be hard. But it all comes down to burying them. the story that denierbud has made on here, and what sobe fails to notice, is that a person from the reich came to visit and notices in the 6 months of operation that 700,000 were dead and buried. the space given, and the actual area is the same, but the space is too small. plus the witnesses all say that solar oil was put in the engines. solar is is to lower the soot in diesel. watch Rosenbergs testimony and see.
Denierbud is not making much sense, neither is sobe. But sobe is probably closer as to why.
The subdivision of the total gassing space into several sub-units would certainly have allowed for a more efficient use of that space, especially when it came to contingents not big enough to fill it up completely, such as small children.
the story at the time he made that video was that 700,000 people died in 6 months. they have changed it since then. this little boy has so many videos that are crap. like the diesel engine to benzene. I know enough of Russian vehicles to know that none had benzene engines! Either gas or diesel. and he said that it had 6 cylinders on 1 side. and he also said it was large, from a tank or truck. 6 cylinders is only present is 2 Russians tanks and they are diesel.
The doorway and back to the walls argument was never a great one. How do you account for the fact that a diesel engine will actually prolong life rather than destroy it, in a hermetically sealed environment? This doesn't make any sense.
All you deniers are chicken shits. Mountains of evidence yet you refuse to even look at it or even use common sense. All your supposed "points" or "arguments", would make it impossible to prove that george washinton ever existed.
These so-called "Debunking" videos cannot be taken seriously because the cowards who made them chose to "Hide behind a child" rather than use their own voices and risk being exposed as obvious Zionist propagandists.
this is ridiculous. Filling 6 empty bottles (1L each) with water (0.5L/sec) takes just as much time as filling 2 bottles (3L each) with the same amount of water (1.5L/sec).
This reminds me of all those foolish debunking attempts regarding 911 truth
Germans born into this world after the year 2000 and attained taxpaying age,will have to pay their part for the alleged crimes.The jews in practice hold the whole of the German people collectively guilty,and this from generation to generation;they think that since their conversion to judasim in 740 A.D all peoples have contracted a debt towards them, and that as a result every non-jew is liable to Shylock for a pound of his own flesh.
Hey, every one has moved on, alomost. The Japenese, the Russions (11 million died) that is twice the number of people who called themselves follower of judaism, have all moved on. Move on every one, for crying out loud we have heard enough.
BOTTOM LINE IS THIS, Germany takes full responsability for the Holocaust, and lives in regret. Nations patranoize their own country's as it is to attain nationalism, why the fuck would a country go and hurt themsevles like that if there was ACTUAL LOGICAL PROOF TO DENOUNCE IT???
Germany and Austria,were "blackmailed" into admitting to this myth.Admitting that they did it,even though,they didn't,was the only way these countries could be readmitted to the family of nations. The proliferation of miracles that made it possible to present millions of European Jews and witnesses are in reality living proofs that Germany never had a policy of physical extermination of the Jews.
Whoever wrote the script for this needs to proofread because they have some issues with grammar and vocabulary. I didn't know that there was such a word as "quicklier".
certainly not. I'm merely critiquing this presentation from a scholarly point of view and if one intends to make a sound argument (regardless of controversy of topic), then the author should present an immaculate piece of literature.
Yes it would make sense to put in double doors. The double doors would be used to make the movement of people MORE EFFICIENT.
That is the point of the criticism. The model of the building as it is shown is a clusterfvck of inefficiency if your purpose is to kill humans by the hundreds of thousands.
@HeavyMetalZombie Jew just admit us white folk aint as moronic as you viewed us sorry we doint accept 6 - 3 = 6 0r 3 - 2 = 0 nice try Jew but your a parasite people and the host is starting to get sick of you. The more I learn about Khazars and the vile crimes commited the more I wish you lot had been gassed its so upsetting to think suck a sick vile satanic race would make up a story like this to steal land and murder children nano thermite 9 11 dust check mate Jew
This is the first time I have heard about people being gassed by engines. This seems really impractical to me in any manner, let alone killing of millions of people. The use of a child to narrate seems out of place too. Are you trying to evoke more emotion into a subject that is way over the top in that department.
You don't know much about the Aktion Reinhardt camps then do you? Impractical how? In that you don't want to accept it as truth? Well in all honesty the decision to switch to Zyklon-B was as a result of the demonstrated innefficiency of diesal/petrol exhaust engine.
the hollow cost museum in washington does not display one document or any proof at all for that matter that there were homicidal gas chambers nor does it mention that of the 1000s of autopsies carried out by american doctors show one gas victim
israel supreme court aquitted john Demjanjuk of being "Ivan the terrible"after it found that so called eye witnesses who testified he operated "gas chambers" there could not be believed
The museum has no mention that there was "Gas chambers" at buchenwald or even Dachau and incredibly , has dropped the auchwitz 1 "gas chamber" altogether. Go there and see for yourself or ring them on (202)488-0400 ask which specific exibits display proof that "gas chambers" really existed any where,there is none
Right...and if one was misrepresenting facts all must be. Because the Jews are a hive mind spawned by Satan to kill God's holy white men right? You're a fucking idiot.
Because it isn't the job of the museum to dispute the irrational unsupported claims of every moronic skeptic. Museums don't display massive exhibits designed to refute the claims of creationists or the flat-earth society either; yet following your clear lack of logic we'd have to assume evolution is impossible and the earth is flat.
As many have said--because you are a unique voice, it's VERY important you explain who you are, what this video is, and how it came to be. This is just good practice, and will make your material a lot more credible and valuable.
7:15 "They are just unloaded, stripped, sorted, gas and burried and cremated within 3 hours" So, they burried them, dug them up and then cremated them. Yea, it's easier that way.
The whole gassing process that was supposedly used was debunked by an American engineer who designed gas chambers for american prisons. He testified at the trial of Ernst Zundel in canada for anyone who's interested in looking it up. The notion that the Germans would have used such a primitive mode of extermination is ridiculous, Germany is renown for having the best engineers in the world
Im assuming all you know of Fred Leuchter is what you've read on wikipedia or some shit, but read the Leuchter Report before making judgement. And i dont know what you call someone who designs a gas chamber for the Missouri State Penitentiary among other things, but i think its called an "engineer"
Citations are needed for you to make that claim against Leuchter, and an engineer is someone who designs a structure is it not? And he did design numerous structures for american prisons, so he must have had some kind of education in order to do that, formal or not.
no that not what an engineer is...an engineer is one who designs a structure, an engineer doesn't have to design a structure. That would depend on the engineer. Following your rather general definition everyone alive could really be called an engineer. And as prior stated his education background is as a history major.
If you know of such equivalent training that he has please do tell.
DEBUNKED??? hardly. Keep in mind that the little boy is READING from a SCRIPT, handed to him by people who DID NOT TAKE BASIC CHEM 1a.
.."victims in smaller chambs wll die quicker as engine exhaust would fill the room"
SAME NUMBER OF MOLECULES of "engine exhaust" IS NEEDED TO "KILL" ONE PERSON. IF you have smaller room=less people=less "gas" needed. WORKS IN REVERSE!!! GO BACK TO SCHOOL DIP$HIT.
Some of us can add. Please do post such nonesense and waste our time!
I believe that this was actually voice altering not an actual kid but what ever. Even if, hypothetically, a little kid read it, it wouldn't alter the material. So such an argument is mere sidestepping.
Also anyone who had taken chemistry 101 would know that it isn't molecules needed to kill a person, a chemist would always refer to concentration, ppm or mole% for example. If you have less volume it=less gas needed to equal the lethal concentration.
I find it hard to believe having two divider walls would effect the concentration of gas to any degree that would warrant such a retarded method of herding people into these buildings
If all the gas was coming from only one source that would be true, but the gas is coming out from 3 points, one big room would fill up with gas just the same as having three rooms, having two divider walls would only needlessly complicate things.
The gas would have to be coming out from at least three points, because according to the model there was three rooms on each side. And you can't say filing large amounts of people through a narrow hallway into six different rooms is not harder then just having two rooms with doors on the outside.
I dont see how that needs any explanation. Putting people directly into one room rather than into a hallway and then into six rooms would be much faster.
the fact that they would have to walk down a hallway wouldn't really affect the time because the back areas would have to be filled up first regardless. So unless you merely force them in quicker the end products shouldn't deviate from each other.
ugh, a hallway would have a bottleneck effect, just like sand through an hourglass. And confusion would also ensue at filling up six different rooms, guards would have to direct which room each prisoner went in and keep track of when each one got full. You cannot say that is not needlessly complicating things
the bottleneck effect would only take place on the entrance size not there being a hallway. And whats confusing about directing people into rooms? Plus a certain amount of confusion would be needed to prevent an organization among the victims. Back to the main point this would only cause confusion if the victims acted in a particularly chaotic fashion, which they problem didn't considering the circumstances.
God you are insufferable. You admit a doorway would have a bottleneck effect (and a hallway would exacerbate that effect) so why have 7 bottlenecks in the building (front door plus six rooms) rather than only two? And why have guards crowded into a hallway having to keep track of which rooms are filled and having to shout orders in german (many prisoners would not have understood) directing where each prisoner went when instead you could merely herd everyone into two big rooms from the outside
The other doorways would no/minimal bottleneck effect since that would only matter when changing the volumetric rates of the people entering, but after the first doorway it would adjust, after this the relative "crowdedness" probably wouldn't be extreme.
You can attempt to diminish the inefficiencies of the official design of this gas chamber, but you certainly cant deny that a much better design would have been quite obvious to german engineers. It makes no sense that they would use such an inferior design
you yet to show to any degree how this design would diminish it to a point where it could no longer serve its function. And there are also alternatives, and unless one is substantially more effective your claim is baseless.
I've spent the last million or so messages proving how inefficient the official design is, and how incredibly easy it would have been to make a better design and im tired of reiterating myself. The fact that even the most inept and retarded architect could have made a better design is beyond any reasonable doubt
You're using the word inefficient in place of the word inoperable. The official model would have been operable, but very much inefficient. Its like accusing the germans of using horse-drawn wagons instead of planes and trains and other modern machinery to transport goods. The former method could certainly transport goods, but not in the most efficient way that technology would have allowed.
those degrees are not comparable because my point is that you alteration wouldn't have any great affect. minor yes but nothing more that would be damning against the current model.
Well if you dont believe that making a few obvious alterations to the design would be much more effective then i dont know what to tell you. Unless one of us conducts an experiment then i suppose we're at an impass.
All of what this kid says is hardly worthy of reason or credibility. But what I found most humorous was when he stated that it would take longer to fill two chambers rather then six smaller ones. Umm, lets see. THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME AREA YOU MORON!
The guy who made the other video that denies the Holocaust is an idiot, that diagram he made of Auschwitz is inaccurate. Auschwitz wasn't just one single concentration camp, it was a series of concentraiton camps and none of them even looked like that.
I'm still trying to find/wait the whole report. Cremate means to burn so it can be used interchanably. And yes as I said there photos of such remains at treblinka. Also if ASSUMING that they were correct with the GPR wouldnt that mean there was no treblinka camp at all. Do you agree with that?
I partially agree with you on his credibility. But from what he has said he qualifies as a denier. He had to really admit to the gas vans because you really cant use rhetoric in a court room.
I believe the photos are shown in either of the krege debunk videos. I'm still waiting for him to publish the actual report so I can read it, that or i just cant find the whole thing.
Far from a mere claim. Since it is corraborated by other evidence, such as wartime documents and testimonies. And you already tossed out all other reports that arent expressly from academic journals. So it isn't that it is a claim it is that you are ignoring all contrary evidence.
No they wouldnt...according to Rudolfs report too. As he says in 6.5.5 of his report. That under an acidic ph level iron blue will not form in noticable quantities.
whether I read it has nothing to do with it. It comes from a valid scientific journal, which is what you wanted. Me reading wasn't part of what you wanted, you just wanted a scientific article relating to the mass graves. And you are still negating massive amounts of other evidence on a whim. UUSR reports from the SS, news articles, survivor testimony, photographic evidence. The whole works.
K I read it but it doesn't mention any other scientists talking about the institutes research. The only critique is his own.
Terminology means nothing when it comes to science of the report. crude language doesn't negate results or criticisms. And most scientists do arguably have an agenda. Afterall they go into an experiment for a reason and they conduct research for a reason. So please show how this would falsify they results.
Then you have to factor in the properties of Iron blue and that it is less likely to 'decay' overtime. While it wouldnt form in the gas chambers, so in all likely hood weathering over time would have a much greater affect on the exposed gas chambers. So there would naturally be less to be found by now.
24/7 operation maybe but that doesn't mean HCN was present at all times, removal of bodies and bring new people in would take by far the greater portion of the time. Plus even with constant exposure concentration plays a key roll. The delousing chambers would have had to be under a higher concentration for a longer constant period.
Hardly anything would be left after the cremation process. That is also uder the assumption they put the cremated remains back into the graves, as to whether it is still there. You got pictures of remains at treblinka, but that is a different camp.
And Irving is most certainly a denier/revisionist if you looked at his website or at what he has said in the past.
These were the gassings at Chelmno. Bodies were later burned as in most cases with the extermination camps. but you have a wartime document saying that 97,000 have been "processed" with gassing vans. It should be more than sufficient evidence.
On the clearly topic even Irving didn't argue it refered to gassings.
You are yet to question the validity of the news article I posted either. You merely claimed you won't accept it. Why not? And it is the greater portion of history because you exlude all information contrary to your beliefs on a whim. When the information is corraborated by other sources of information it can be considered valid.
How doesn't LC isn't an exponential factor. Either way both time and concentration are far less. So naturally, neglecting other conditions, the concentration that would be found is going to be far less.
Can you provide a page in the report? It is a waste of time to look through 400 some odd pages for a line or 2.
You say they came into the study intending to find certain results. Can you please point out where this affected the study itself, ie ignored evidence. After Leutcher also found traces in the chambers as well.
I can't provide such but its existance is enough. And its not the only one because using the nih site, i used for you, you can find other scientific abstracts on different graves.
Number is relatively meaningless unless there was fasification on their part. Going in with a hypothesis, that HCN will be present or the like, doesn't mean the hypothesis is a diabolic agenda. Most scientific experiments do begin with a hypothesis, sometimes included is a nul-hypothesis. But testing a hypothesis isn't an agenda by any stretch, as often they are proved wrong by the testing that follows.
What I posted was the median lethal dose, LD50, not LD1. And I didn't use Nizkor for that portion. I used a library edition. I'm ordering my own copy to help me with my own studies. And I have been reading revisionist literature but honestly I'm not that impressed by them.
Alas I can't find an online version to give to you. Only ones I could find from an online source by them was 'section A' which deals with mathematics. IF you don't believe me that it exists type the title in a search on goggle and you can find an abstract on a NIH affiliated site.
You most certainly operate on a news article level. You after all already posted quotes from a few new york times articles. When they are corroborated by other evidence, einzatgruppen reports, they are valid historical sources. Tossing out all nonscientific articles essentially also tosses out the greater portion of history. If you have a concrete reason to dismiss them please do tell.
analytical methods, undertaken by the Institute confirmed the presence of cyanide compounds in all kinds of gas chamber ruins, even in the basement of Block 11 in Auschwitz, where first, experimental gassing of victims by means of Zyklon B had been carried out."
Um, yes, your explicit claim was that Hilberg only spent 30 pages on gassings, thus your implicit claim was that 30 pages isn't enough to cover gassings. could you please stop twisting everything I write? :-)
So you want me to buy you a ticket to the Ukraine? How exactly do you expect to prove that these mass graves were found? Airlift remains to your house? If you exclude all news sources what kind of report are you expecting? you standard of evidence is far to high in this case unreasonable.
Not really because not only is the leutcher report full of holes, scientific ones at that (like mistaking the properties of HCN). It showed HCN concentrations in the chambers. Vastly smaller amounts than the delousing chambers yes but still that is to be expected, as it takes 16,000 ppm to kill lice 300 and ppm to kill people (with much shorter exposure periods). That and the negative control showed no traces of HCN.
Abstract: The results of the exhumation of a mass grave from the time of the World War II are presented. In the course of exhumation it was established that the subjects were 190 individuals (men, women and children) of Jewish origin. All had died a violent death due to gunshot or mechanical injury.
Actually when the event is covered by multiple newspapers yea it can used as a source of evidence. You say that you want proof in the form of these graves but you toss out all forms of evidence. This isn't a scientific argument so I dont need to provide an academic journal as evidence. A news article verified from multiple other sources is enough.
97,000 thousand people processed using vans who from the alterations desired would be best called gas vans, about how to best fill it with CO. I altered nothing, I provided a summation not a quotation.
but i mean...dont you think the number has been greatly exagerated? at the end of the day thats what the winners of a war always do...exagerate to demonize their enemies...
all im trying to say is for instance....if the usa wins the war in iraq..would u trust the usa to tell you the truth about the iraquis and what happened in iraq?....
"if the usa wins the war in iraq..would u trust the usa to tell you the truth about the iraquis and what happened in iraq?...."
That depends on whether "the usa" has any serious, credible evidence for what they claim. Nobody in the real world will just assume that a number is fake or screwed simply because the victors are biased, which they always are.
Yeah, the problem is that you need to explain with sufficient evidence why 30 pages on gassings is not enough to cover it in relative detail. The Holocaust was a huge <b>set of events</b>, and to complain that so-and-so only spent x amount of pages on so-and-so and claim without evidence that this isn't enough pages to cover the topic relatively enough is ridiculous. To quote a certain furious rambler: <i>"If you haven't gotten it now, you'll never get it."</i>
Unlike certain fanatics here, I don't try to count up the pages a certain author spent on a certain topic, in foolish attempt to discredit that author. Forgive me for not doing that imbecility.
If the chamber is divided into smaller ones, it would become several smaller chambers. <b>Call it whatever you want, optimal occupation is harder to ascertain with one big chamber rather than several smaller chambers</b> (or if you want to call it a big chamber divided by partitions rather than several smaller chambers that's fine, it doesn't change anything).
Hahaha thats for declaring my political alignment. Nah I was antiwar from the get-go. And I wasnt making a reference to Carl Sagans, I was stating it is impossible to factor evidence that isn't there or considered.
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Mikeyjoin 4 months ago
Unfortunately for little Timmy, the Denial Videos show that many parts of the Holocaust Story are physically impossible. The design of the actual delousing chambers used to keep the inmates healthy are still regarded as state of the art technology. The Germans were not as stupid as the Holocaust Story and little Timmy would suggest.
JCGMich29 6 months ago
Poor kid has to read all this crap. This is child abuse.
freetruth80 7 months ago 4
That door argument is total falacy. Here is why: You've got rooms on the left and the right. If you let people enter 2 by 2 the are able to go in the 2 rooms who are opposits of eachother at the same time. Instead they go in a line which would take longer to fill all rooms. This is the same as why a school's hallway usually has 2 doors.
Fajoekit 8 months ago
The Jews like to pretend that there’s lots of physical evidence to prove the homicidal gassing claims. But where is the evidence?
dorothyspotts 9 months ago
"MAKE'S MONEY".....OMG FREAKIN WOW! HOW THE HELL DOES HE MAKE MONEY? LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY TO THE VERY FIRST FEW SECONDS OF THIS VIDEO!
bebe4235 11 months ago
Holocaust deniers make me weep for humanity. How can so many people be idiots of the highest degree?
dirtypond13 1 year ago
@dirtypond13 I think the gas chamber question and the holocaust in general are two different questions. There are many questions that need to be answered about figures and the existance of gas chambers but that doesn't mean the holocaust didn't happen, the Nazis slaughtered jews all over europe
keflar5 1 year ago
@keflar5 I'd be glad to attempt to ask any questions if you have them
dirtypond13 1 year ago
@TheHITLERFAN My facts about Paul Blobel. Sonnderaktion 1005. (To hide the evidence of the mass killings, etc). And, the German forces in France calling the 12th SS Panzer division, The murder division are all facts. Look em up. Also, the Einsaztgruppen killing squads. More I have these discussions with those who deny the Holocaust. Or, are neo-nazi. The more I learn why Hitler had to be stopped!
jrwel14 1 year ago
@TheHITLERFAN Maybe because even kids know that it happened! Ever hear of the Einsaztgruppen, Sonnderaktion 1005 and paul Blobel?. Here is a good question. What Division did the GERMAN forces in France call,"The Murder Division." For their executions of POWs? Give up? It was the 12th SS Panzer or Hitler Jugend.
jrwel14 1 year ago 2
@ItalianoAmericano I thought the same about Denierbud's videos. Why does Mr Bud talk in a monotone low voice?
jrwel14 1 year ago 2
It takes less time to fill a small room than it does to fill a big room with gas. This is obvious, but what is the point of stating this? A larger room holds more people as well, so it may take longer to fill the room, but the result of filling one large room is the same as filling multiple small rooms. Six of one half a dozen of the other.
So what exactly is your point? Or do you have one?
Your video is an exercise in futility.
DrWmPierceAudio 1 year ago
NOt really debunked at all
When U debunk something, you should understand the topic first, The germans took a lot of trouble to disguise the place as a synagogue mount A star of David at its entrance, give them a haircut first so they didnt think they were going to get killed and then you say they were whipped and kicked into the so called gas chember.....
adnanramuk 1 year ago
@scrxbandit so really get over yourself and stop being a dick because whether you like it or not, this really did happen and it is the worst example of what human beings are capable of doing to each other. For you to deny it means that you are just stupid, closed-minded, and incredibly delusional
1vgb 1 year ago
@1vgb if it really did happen and the jews really were "holocausted"....sorry but i have to laugh when i type that word loooooooooooooooooooooooool......
and they say never forget....well how come in 1945 the european jews all got on boats when to a country called palestine ....invented terrorism and began the genocide of the palestinian people...those jews forgot pretty fucking fast....
as for examples how about building a wall around 1.5 million people and imprisoning them for years murdering
fuckystoat 1 year ago
@scrxbandit ... excuse me? um i think i do know whats doing on in the world asshole. it doesnt matter if you hate jewish people or not but this did happen. there is video, audio, and eye witness evidence that this happened. What you think that 6 million jews just took a trip to the moon?? personally i think that what happened to the palestinians was wrong. you cant just force someone of their land i understand that but what is happening in israel/palestine is by definition not a genocide
1vgb 1 year ago
I cant believe that people would actually try to "disprove" the holocaust. Its sick. Besides the rooms were small because the gas chambers at Treblinka could only hold 200 people at a time. The gas chambers at Auschwitz could hold 2,000 people because Rudolf Hoss made it that way because he thought the Treblinka one (which he originally worked at) was too small.
1vgb 1 year ago
sounds like the cunt parents need to spend more time getting this kid braces and less time teaching him how to repeat bullshit
MrFreki88 1 year ago
this boy read from his bed time story
KingKong1ooo 1 year ago
good video, that idiot denier speaks like faggot
TheJewishAngel 2 years ago
This structure looks like a pig barn. I worked in pig barns for over a year when I was 13 and 14.
The entrance and hallway (5 feet wide) is for the worker with a wheelbarrow to attend to the stalls on either side and clean out the mess and bring in new straw.
The big doors on the outside are to let the pigs in and out of a fenced in yard.
I'm not saying that's what it is, but the pig barns I worked in were EXACTLY like that building. -Strange
BillyvonDumpling 2 years ago
this video is complete bullshit thanks for proving what a fucking idiot you are
rebelderekisback1488 2 years ago 3
@rebelderekisback1488 fuck you faggot
TheJewishAngel 1 year ago
Do the midless sheep out there have their heads so far up their arses that they believe shit such as what is told in the last 15 seconds of the clip.
fairlane05 2 years ago
Why do holocaust promoter videos always have sad music or children narrating? Why not just stick to facts?
This video debunks absolutely nothing and just uses the same old propaganda.
PatriotsCall69 2 years ago 5
Packing the victims as tightly as possible into small rooms would cause them to die quicker than they would in a big ground level room with higher ceilings. A big room with higher ceilings would leave more oxygen at their disposal.
nukeseeker 2 years ago
We know that killing them wont be hard. But it all comes down to burying them. the story that denierbud has made on here, and what sobe fails to notice, is that a person from the reich came to visit and notices in the 6 months of operation that 700,000 were dead and buried. the space given, and the actual area is the same, but the space is too small. plus the witnesses all say that solar oil was put in the engines. solar is is to lower the soot in diesel. watch Rosenbergs testimony and see.
xxoverkillxx1975 2 years ago
Denierbud is not making much sense, neither is sobe. But sobe is probably closer as to why.
The subdivision of the total gassing space into several sub-units would certainly have allowed for a more efficient use of that space, especially when it came to contingents not big enough to fill it up completely, such as small children.
nukeseeker 2 years ago
the story at the time he made that video was that 700,000 people died in 6 months. they have changed it since then. this little boy has so many videos that are crap. like the diesel engine to benzene. I know enough of Russian vehicles to know that none had benzene engines! Either gas or diesel. and he said that it had 6 cylinders on 1 side. and he also said it was large, from a tank or truck. 6 cylinders is only present is 2 Russians tanks and they are diesel.
xxoverkillxx1975 2 years ago
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nukeseeker 2 years ago
That model is not even the Treblinka model, but is instead the rutherford modle of the gas chambers in the Belzec camp.
nukeseeker 2 years ago
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nukeseeker 2 years ago
do u believe this yourselves?? gees........this proves that drugs will fuck up your head....
get a life.....
xcoroner 2 years ago
dumb little cunt
glockker 2 years ago 3
The doorway and back to the walls argument was never a great one. How do you account for the fact that a diesel engine will actually prolong life rather than destroy it, in a hermetically sealed environment? This doesn't make any sense.
gp4nut 2 years ago 3
All you deniers are chicken shits. Mountains of evidence yet you refuse to even look at it or even use common sense. All your supposed "points" or "arguments", would make it impossible to prove that george washinton ever existed.
shawnshawn426 3 years ago
Denierbud and sobe are both Jews. These two peope are good examples showing that the well-known Holocaust deniers are Jews.
Ernst Zundel, David Irving and David Icke are Jews. They take control of the truthing.
It's the same with the 9/11 truth movement. Alex Jones, Jim Hoffman, Steven E. Jones, Eric Hufschmid, Daryl Smith and the others are Jews.
GentilesAgainstCrime 3 years ago
Is this a JOKE!!????
Search4Knowledge 3 years ago 5
Pretty lame, I must say.
plasterangel 3 years ago 8
lol this response is just a joke.
SaveEurope82 3 years ago 5
These so-called "Debunking" videos cannot be taken seriously because the cowards who made them chose to "Hide behind a child" rather than use their own voices and risk being exposed as obvious Zionist propagandists.
chickenshits...
December172008 3 years ago 4
All I gotta say is Black Hole of Calcutta. You don't need a motor at all. All you need is a packed room with no windows.
elimi 3 years ago
TRUTH DOES NOT FEAR INVESTIGATION AND COURTS TO PROTECT IT. Why is it believers that courts are needed to uphold the truth of the holohoax?
Believers you are collectively guilty with the zionist scum and when the truth comes out you shall pay as well.
ThoughtCriminal911 3 years ago 3
haha nice try.
"it would take less time with 6 chambers"
this is ridiculous. Filling 6 empty bottles (1L each) with water (0.5L/sec) takes just as much time as filling 2 bottles (3L each) with the same amount of water (1.5L/sec).
This reminds me of all those foolish debunking attempts regarding 911 truth
quartZ48 3 years ago 16
@quartZ48 - your an idiot lol, he is correct. Smaller chambers would have killed them quicker.
I guess you were not at school when they taught diffusion.
TomHartill 3 months ago
Germans born into this world after the year 2000 and attained taxpaying age,will have to pay their part for the alleged crimes.The jews in practice hold the whole of the German people collectively guilty,and this from generation to generation;they think that since their conversion to judasim in 740 A.D all peoples have contracted a debt towards them, and that as a result every non-jew is liable to Shylock for a pound of his own flesh.
realrasmckhaile 3 years ago 4
Hey, every one has moved on, alomost. The Japenese, the Russions (11 million died) that is twice the number of people who called themselves follower of judaism, have all moved on. Move on every one, for crying out loud we have heard enough.
Kentarlife2 3 years ago 2
i cant tell what stance this video is taking?
natereiners 3 years ago
why is the dude brainwashing his child...
jeez
natereiners 3 years ago 5
I don't know what I hate more: zionists or holocaust deniers.
juliaisafilmbuff 3 years ago
BOTTOM LINE IS THIS, Germany takes full responsability for the Holocaust, and lives in regret. Nations patranoize their own country's as it is to attain nationalism, why the fuck would a country go and hurt themsevles like that if there was ACTUAL LOGICAL PROOF TO DENOUNCE IT???
knwoldee 3 years ago
Germany and Austria,were "blackmailed" into admitting to this myth.Admitting that they did it,even though,they didn't,was the only way these countries could be readmitted to the family of nations. The proliferation of miracles that made it possible to present millions of European Jews and witnesses are in reality living proofs that Germany never had a policy of physical extermination of the Jews.
realrasmckhaile 3 years ago
Although holocaust deniers are idiots, your arguments against "bud" failed.
Crosisborg 3 years ago
Whoever wrote the script for this needs to proofread because they have some issues with grammar and vocabulary. I didn't know that there was such a word as "quicklier".
pakkurisu 3 years ago
you obviously missed the point
jblakley8215 3 years ago
certainly not. I'm merely critiquing this presentation from a scholarly point of view and if one intends to make a sound argument (regardless of controversy of topic), then the author should present an immaculate piece of literature.
pakkurisu 3 years ago
Yes it would make sense to put in double doors. The double doors would be used to make the movement of people MORE EFFICIENT.
That is the point of the criticism. The model of the building as it is shown is a clusterfvck of inefficiency if your purpose is to kill humans by the hundreds of thousands.
brazensteel 3 years ago
Right...inefficient...you mean like Denierbud's claim that wide open spaces kill people faster?
HeavyMetalZombie 3 years ago 2
@HeavyMetalZombie Jew just admit us white folk aint as moronic as you viewed us sorry we doint accept 6 - 3 = 6 0r 3 - 2 = 0 nice try Jew but your a parasite people and the host is starting to get sick of you. The more I learn about Khazars and the vile crimes commited the more I wish you lot had been gassed its so upsetting to think suck a sick vile satanic race would make up a story like this to steal land and murder children nano thermite 9 11 dust check mate Jew
properwired 1 year ago
Man one just cant take that child for full. I cant stand to hear a child babling on such a topic.
DerAntimensch 3 years ago
What? You don't know what voice alteration is?
Number7smokesForEver 3 years ago
This is the first time I have heard about people being gassed by engines. This seems really impractical to me in any manner, let alone killing of millions of people. The use of a child to narrate seems out of place too. Are you trying to evoke more emotion into a subject that is way over the top in that department.
addfman 4 years ago 4
I believe it is just a voice changing device., but im not sure.
nebs14 3 years ago
It is
HeavyMetalZombie 3 years ago
You don't know much about the Aktion Reinhardt camps then do you? Impractical how? In that you don't want to accept it as truth? Well in all honesty the decision to switch to Zyklon-B was as a result of the demonstrated innefficiency of diesal/petrol exhaust engine.
HeavyMetalZombie 3 years ago
the hollow cost museum in washington does not display one document or any proof at all for that matter that there were homicidal gas chambers nor does it mention that of the 1000s of autopsies carried out by american doctors show one gas victim
dankrug 4 years ago
israel supreme court aquitted john Demjanjuk of being "Ivan the terrible"after it found that so called eye witnesses who testified he operated "gas chambers" there could not be believed
dankrug 4 years ago 2
The museum has no mention that there was "Gas chambers" at buchenwald or even Dachau and incredibly , has dropped the auchwitz 1 "gas chamber" altogether. Go there and see for yourself or ring them on (202)488-0400 ask which specific exibits display proof that "gas chambers" really existed any where,there is none
dankrug 4 years ago 2
More Holocaust Denial bullshit.
HeavyMetalZombie 3 years ago
Right...and if one was misrepresenting facts all must be. Because the Jews are a hive mind spawned by Satan to kill God's holy white men right? You're a fucking idiot.
HeavyMetalZombie 3 years ago
Because it isn't the job of the museum to dispute the irrational unsupported claims of every moronic skeptic. Museums don't display massive exhibits designed to refute the claims of creationists or the flat-earth society either; yet following your clear lack of logic we'd have to assume evolution is impossible and the earth is flat.
HeavyMetalZombie 3 years ago
As many have said--because you are a unique voice, it's VERY important you explain who you are, what this video is, and how it came to be. This is just good practice, and will make your material a lot more credible and valuable.
kc7fys 4 years ago
Using a child to narrate this video shows how desperate the holocaust liars are.
The holocaust may not have happened.
Wise up america you are being lied to.
truthspeaks9 4 years ago 5
Why is it you people always claim conspiracy? Why is it that you always call yourselves truthseekers and other high oaths?
HeavyMetalZombie 3 years ago
7:15 "They are just unloaded, stripped, sorted, gas and burried and cremated within 3 hours" So, they burried them, dug them up and then cremated them. Yea, it's easier that way.
tjmuller 4 years ago
How old are you? 10?
Nefus2 4 years ago 3
again you have debunked nothing,its a hoax,
dankrug 4 years ago 3
Care to prove that?
HeavyMetalZombie 4 years ago
what
dankrug 4 years ago
i think he is referring to evidence to back up your claims.
guderianpz 4 years ago
Pretty much
DeniersBeware 4 years ago
LAAAAAAAAAAME!
oaiadolly 4 years ago
In the words of HeavyMetalZombie. "You're an idiot".
DeniersBeware 4 years ago
The whole gassing process that was supposedly used was debunked by an American engineer who designed gas chambers for american prisons. He testified at the trial of Ernst Zundel in canada for anyone who's interested in looking it up. The notion that the Germans would have used such a primitive mode of extermination is ridiculous, Germany is renown for having the best engineers in the world
phallus0maximus 4 years ago
1 he wasnt an engineer. 2 his whole argument had holes on both a chemical analysis level and an engineering level.
HCN is an extremely lethal chemical, so I don't know what you mean by primitive.
guderianpz 4 years ago
if you mean the degenerate Fred Leuchter, he is not an engineer, his degree is in history NOT engineering
celticfc4eva 4 years ago
Im assuming all you know of Fred Leuchter is what you've read on wikipedia or some shit, but read the Leuchter Report before making judgement. And i dont know what you call someone who designs a gas chamber for the Missouri State Penitentiary among other things, but i think its called an "engineer"
phallus0maximus 4 years ago
yes ive read and yes it is still filled with numerous assumptions, historical, and chemical errors. Hardly a paper firmly grounded in science.
and building a gas chamber doesn't make one an engineer. Thats based on education as well as profession.
guderianpz 4 years ago
Citations are needed for you to make that claim against Leuchter, and an engineer is someone who designs a structure is it not? And he did design numerous structures for american prisons, so he must have had some kind of education in order to do that, formal or not.
phallus0maximus 4 years ago
no that not what an engineer is...an engineer is one who designs a structure, an engineer doesn't have to design a structure. That would depend on the engineer. Following your rather general definition everyone alive could really be called an engineer. And as prior stated his education background is as a history major.
If you know of such equivalent training that he has please do tell.
guderianpz 4 years ago
there are enough websites debunking leutcher, example nizkor,org.
guderianpz 4 years ago
DEBUNKED??? hardly. Keep in mind that the little boy is READING from a SCRIPT, handed to him by people who DID NOT TAKE BASIC CHEM 1a.
.."victims in smaller chambs wll die quicker as engine exhaust would fill the room"
SAME NUMBER OF MOLECULES of "engine exhaust" IS NEEDED TO "KILL" ONE PERSON. IF you have smaller room=less people=less "gas" needed. WORKS IN REVERSE!!! GO BACK TO SCHOOL DIP$HIT.
Some of us can add. Please do post such nonesense and waste our time!
14/88
rus14 4 years ago
I believe that this was actually voice altering not an actual kid but what ever. Even if, hypothetically, a little kid read it, it wouldn't alter the material. So such an argument is mere sidestepping.
Also anyone who had taken chemistry 101 would know that it isn't molecules needed to kill a person, a chemist would always refer to concentration, ppm or mole% for example. If you have less volume it=less gas needed to equal the lethal concentration.
guderianpz 4 years ago
I find it hard to believe having two divider walls would effect the concentration of gas to any degree that would warrant such a retarded method of herding people into these buildings
phallus0maximus 4 years ago
well it would reduce the volume by 2 thirds, 67% reduction, which is a pretty good deal. So it would increase the concentration 3 fold.
Take into consideration that a concentration .65%, 6500 ppm, is lethal in 20 minutes.
guderianpz 4 years ago
If all the gas was coming from only one source that would be true, but the gas is coming out from 3 points, one big room would fill up with gas just the same as having three rooms, having two divider walls would only needlessly complicate things.
phallus0maximus 4 years ago 3
well thats an assumption on feed stream size. And how exactly would it complicate things needlessly?
guderianpz 4 years ago
The gas would have to be coming out from at least three points, because according to the model there was three rooms on each side. And you can't say filing large amounts of people through a narrow hallway into six different rooms is not harder then just having two rooms with doors on the outside.
phallus0maximus 4 years ago
dont attempt Socratic rhetoric. Just explain your reasoning, why would sending people in the way they did be substantially more difficult.
And again these shouldve wouldve arguments are basically meaningless.
guderianpz 4 years ago
I dont see how that needs any explanation. Putting people directly into one room rather than into a hallway and then into six rooms would be much faster.
phallus0maximus 4 years ago 2
the fact that they would have to walk down a hallway wouldn't really affect the time because the back areas would have to be filled up first regardless. So unless you merely force them in quicker the end products shouldn't deviate from each other.
guderianpz 4 years ago
ugh, a hallway would have a bottleneck effect, just like sand through an hourglass. And confusion would also ensue at filling up six different rooms, guards would have to direct which room each prisoner went in and keep track of when each one got full. You cannot say that is not needlessly complicating things
phallus0maximus 4 years ago
the bottleneck effect would only take place on the entrance size not there being a hallway. And whats confusing about directing people into rooms? Plus a certain amount of confusion would be needed to prevent an organization among the victims. Back to the main point this would only cause confusion if the victims acted in a particularly chaotic fashion, which they problem didn't considering the circumstances.
guderianpz 4 years ago
God you are insufferable. You admit a doorway would have a bottleneck effect (and a hallway would exacerbate that effect) so why have 7 bottlenecks in the building (front door plus six rooms) rather than only two? And why have guards crowded into a hallway having to keep track of which rooms are filled and having to shout orders in german (many prisoners would not have understood) directing where each prisoner went when instead you could merely herd everyone into two big rooms from the outside
phallus0maximus 4 years ago
The other doorways would no/minimal bottleneck effect since that would only matter when changing the volumetric rates of the people entering, but after the first doorway it would adjust, after this the relative "crowdedness" probably wouldn't be extreme.
guderianpz 4 years ago
You can attempt to diminish the inefficiencies of the official design of this gas chamber, but you certainly cant deny that a much better design would have been quite obvious to german engineers. It makes no sense that they would use such an inferior design
phallus0maximus 4 years ago
you yet to show to any degree how this design would diminish it to a point where it could no longer serve its function. And there are also alternatives, and unless one is substantially more effective your claim is baseless.
guderianpz 4 years ago
I've spent the last million or so messages proving how inefficient the official design is, and how incredibly easy it would have been to make a better design and im tired of reiterating myself. The fact that even the most inept and retarded architect could have made a better design is beyond any reasonable doubt
phallus0maximus 4 years ago
actually youre yet to show the inefficiency of the current model, meaning you have to show that it really couldnt serve its function.
The fact is you can always make a better design. And that the current model could serve its function as needed.
guderianpz 4 years ago
You're using the word inefficient in place of the word inoperable. The official model would have been operable, but very much inefficient. Its like accusing the germans of using horse-drawn wagons instead of planes and trains and other modern machinery to transport goods. The former method could certainly transport goods, but not in the most efficient way that technology would have allowed.
phallus0maximus 4 years ago
those degrees are not comparable because my point is that you alteration wouldn't have any great affect. minor yes but nothing more that would be damning against the current model.
guderianpz 4 years ago
Well if you dont believe that making a few obvious alterations to the design would be much more effective then i dont know what to tell you. Unless one of us conducts an experiment then i suppose we're at an impass.
phallus0maximus 4 years ago
well it would be possible to make a very rough mathematical model.
but just to state again im not dealing here with optimization but just ability to carry out the given task.
guderianpz 4 years ago
No it would not. What do you do when there is a transport of only 200 people?
alanheath 4 years ago
All of what this kid says is hardly worthy of reason or credibility. But what I found most humorous was when he stated that it would take longer to fill two chambers rather then six smaller ones. Umm, lets see. THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME AREA YOU MORON!
Deutschland88vid 4 years ago
voice distortion.
sobe104839 4 years ago
The guy who made the other video that denies the Holocaust is an idiot, that diagram he made of Auschwitz is inaccurate. Auschwitz wasn't just one single concentration camp, it was a series of concentraiton camps and none of them even looked like that.
andy77718 4 years ago
It's probably because he is not showing Auschwitz, he is showing Treblinka.
Deutschland88vid 4 years ago 4
I'm still trying to find/wait the whole report. Cremate means to burn so it can be used interchanably. And yes as I said there photos of such remains at treblinka. Also if ASSUMING that they were correct with the GPR wouldnt that mean there was no treblinka camp at all. Do you agree with that?
guderianpz 4 years ago
I partially agree with you on his credibility. But from what he has said he qualifies as a denier. He had to really admit to the gas vans because you really cant use rhetoric in a court room.
guderianpz 4 years ago
I believe the photos are shown in either of the krege debunk videos. I'm still waiting for him to publish the actual report so I can read it, that or i just cant find the whole thing.
guderianpz 4 years ago
Far from a mere claim. Since it is corraborated by other evidence, such as wartime documents and testimonies. And you already tossed out all other reports that arent expressly from academic journals. So it isn't that it is a claim it is that you are ignoring all contrary evidence.
guderianpz 4 years ago
No they wouldnt...according to Rudolfs report too. As he says in 6.5.5 of his report. That under an acidic ph level iron blue will not form in noticable quantities.
guderianpz 4 years ago
you also didnt look really hard then so here is one: "Salvaging a mass grave from 1945--Lieberose Labor Camp of the Sachsenhausen concentration camp"
guderianpz 4 years ago
whether I read it has nothing to do with it. It comes from a valid scientific journal, which is what you wanted. Me reading wasn't part of what you wanted, you just wanted a scientific article relating to the mass graves. And you are still negating massive amounts of other evidence on a whim. UUSR reports from the SS, news articles, survivor testimony, photographic evidence. The whole works.
guderianpz 4 years ago
K I read it but it doesn't mention any other scientists talking about the institutes research. The only critique is his own.
Terminology means nothing when it comes to science of the report. crude language doesn't negate results or criticisms. And most scientists do arguably have an agenda. Afterall they go into an experiment for a reason and they conduct research for a reason. So please show how this would falsify they results.
guderianpz 4 years ago
Then you have to factor in the properties of Iron blue and that it is less likely to 'decay' overtime. While it wouldnt form in the gas chambers, so in all likely hood weathering over time would have a much greater affect on the exposed gas chambers. So there would naturally be less to be found by now.
guderianpz 4 years ago
24/7 operation maybe but that doesn't mean HCN was present at all times, removal of bodies and bring new people in would take by far the greater portion of the time. Plus even with constant exposure concentration plays a key roll. The delousing chambers would have had to be under a higher concentration for a longer constant period.
guderianpz 4 years ago
Hardly anything would be left after the cremation process. That is also uder the assumption they put the cremated remains back into the graves, as to whether it is still there. You got pictures of remains at treblinka, but that is a different camp.
And Irving is most certainly a denier/revisionist if you looked at his website or at what he has said in the past.
guderianpz 4 years ago
These were the gassings at Chelmno. Bodies were later burned as in most cases with the extermination camps. but you have a wartime document saying that 97,000 have been "processed" with gassing vans. It should be more than sufficient evidence.
On the clearly topic even Irving didn't argue it refered to gassings.
guderianpz 4 years ago
You are yet to question the validity of the news article I posted either. You merely claimed you won't accept it. Why not? And it is the greater portion of history because you exlude all information contrary to your beliefs on a whim. When the information is corraborated by other sources of information it can be considered valid.
guderianpz 4 years ago
How doesn't LC isn't an exponential factor. Either way both time and concentration are far less. So naturally, neglecting other conditions, the concentration that would be found is going to be far less.
guderianpz 4 years ago
Can you provide a page in the report? It is a waste of time to look through 400 some odd pages for a line or 2.
You say they came into the study intending to find certain results. Can you please point out where this affected the study itself, ie ignored evidence. After Leutcher also found traces in the chambers as well.
guderianpz 4 years ago
I can't provide such but its existance is enough. And its not the only one because using the nih site, i used for you, you can find other scientific abstracts on different graves.
guderianpz 4 years ago
actually I didnt originally google search. I used EBSCOhost. But I wasn't sure you had access to the page.
guderianpz 4 years ago
Elaborate on number 2.
Number is relatively meaningless unless there was fasification on their part. Going in with a hypothesis, that HCN will be present or the like, doesn't mean the hypothesis is a diabolic agenda. Most scientific experiments do begin with a hypothesis, sometimes included is a nul-hypothesis. But testing a hypothesis isn't an agenda by any stretch, as often they are proved wrong by the testing that follows.
guderianpz 4 years ago
What I posted was the median lethal dose, LD50, not LD1. And I didn't use Nizkor for that portion. I used a library edition. I'm ordering my own copy to help me with my own studies. And I have been reading revisionist literature but honestly I'm not that impressed by them.
guderianpz 4 years ago
Alas I can't find an online version to give to you. Only ones I could find from an online source by them was 'section A' which deals with mathematics. IF you don't believe me that it exists type the title in a search on goggle and you can find an abstract on a NIH affiliated site.
guderianpz 4 years ago
You most certainly operate on a news article level. You after all already posted quotes from a few new york times articles. When they are corroborated by other evidence, einzatgruppen reports, they are valid historical sources. Tossing out all nonscientific articles essentially also tosses out the greater portion of history. If you have a concrete reason to dismiss them please do tell.
guderianpz 4 years ago
Incorrect as any chemical reference source will tell you
"LC(50) rats, mice, dogs 544 ppm (5min), 169ppm (30 min) 300ppm(3min) by inhalation
150 ppm [in people] for 1/2 to 1 hr may endanger life. Death may result from a few min exposure to 300 ppm" 4816 pg 857 Merck Index 2001
"inhalation of 300 ppm causes death" pg 911 Stedman's medical dictionary 28th edition
guderianpz 4 years ago
maybe you should start by reading its abstract
"Systematic research, involving most sensitive
analytical methods, undertaken by the Institute confirmed the presence of cyanide compounds in all kinds of gas chamber ruins, even in the basement of Block 11 in Auschwitz, where first, experimental gassing of victims by means of Zyklon B had been carried out."
guderianpz 4 years ago
No it is clearly refering to gassing 97,000 from any unbiased stand point. Tell me what do think 'processed' refers to?
guderianpz 4 years ago
Um, yes, your explicit claim was that Hilberg only spent 30 pages on gassings, thus your implicit claim was that 30 pages isn't enough to cover gassings. could you please stop twisting everything I write? :-)
sobe104839 4 years ago
So you want me to buy you a ticket to the Ukraine? How exactly do you expect to prove that these mass graves were found? Airlift remains to your house? If you exclude all news sources what kind of report are you expecting? you standard of evidence is far to high in this case unreasonable.
guderianpz 4 years ago
Not really because not only is the leutcher report full of holes, scientific ones at that (like mistaking the properties of HCN). It showed HCN concentrations in the chambers. Vastly smaller amounts than the delousing chambers yes but still that is to be expected, as it takes 16,000 ppm to kill lice 300 and ppm to kill people (with much shorter exposure periods). That and the negative control showed no traces of HCN.
guderianpz 4 years ago
yes that is a summation not a quotation. The summary is that it say 97000 people have been gassed.
guderianpz 4 years ago
Here an academic journal
"The exhumation of a World War II Jewish grave"
Annales Universitatis Mariae Curie-Skłodowska. Sectio D: Medicina [Ann Univ Mariae Curie Sklodowska [Med]] 1999; Vol. 54, pp. 9-12.
guderianpz 4 years ago
Abstract: The results of the exhumation of a mass grave from the time of the World War II are presented. In the course of exhumation it was established that the subjects were 190 individuals (men, women and children) of Jewish origin. All had died a violent death due to gunshot or mechanical injury.
guderianpz 4 years ago
Actually when the event is covered by multiple newspapers yea it can used as a source of evidence. You say that you want proof in the form of these graves but you toss out all forms of evidence. This isn't a scientific argument so I dont need to provide an academic journal as evidence. A news article verified from multiple other sources is enough.
guderianpz 4 years ago
Odd you neglect the previous post of them finding a mass grave which you toss out on a whim because it runs counter to your claims.
guderianpz 4 years ago
No there was a report done september 1990.
97,000 thousand people processed using vans who from the alterations desired would be best called gas vans, about how to best fill it with CO. I altered nothing, I provided a summation not a quotation.
guderianpz 4 years ago
u did a good job at this debunking.
RobinMcVeigh 4 years ago
Thank you. Keep in mind that in many I'm not able to include all I want due to technical problems...
sobe104839 4 years ago
do you think 6 milions jews were killed, or less?, thanks
RobinMcVeigh 4 years ago
The number ranges from 5-6 million.
sobe104839 4 years ago
but i mean...dont you think the number has been greatly exagerated? at the end of the day thats what the winners of a war always do...exagerate to demonize their enemies...
RobinMcVeigh 4 years ago
"but i mean...dont you think the number has been greatly exagerated?"
No, because I haven't seen any convincing evidence.
"at the end of the day thats what the winners of a war always do...exagerate to demonize their enemies..."
Serious evidence to the number being a myth?
sobe104839 4 years ago
all im trying to say is for instance....if the usa wins the war in iraq..would u trust the usa to tell you the truth about the iraquis and what happened in iraq?....
RobinMcVeigh 4 years ago
"if the usa wins the war in iraq..would u trust the usa to tell you the truth about the iraquis and what happened in iraq?...."
That depends on whether "the usa" has any serious, credible evidence for what they claim. Nobody in the real world will just assume that a number is fake or screwed simply because the victors are biased, which they always are.
sobe104839 4 years ago
Yeah, the problem is that you need to explain with sufficient evidence why 30 pages on gassings is not enough to cover it in relative detail. The Holocaust was a huge <b>set of events</b>, and to complain that so-and-so only spent x amount of pages on so-and-so and claim without evidence that this isn't enough pages to cover the topic relatively enough is ridiculous. To quote a certain furious rambler: <i>"If you haven't gotten it now, you'll never get it."</i>
sobe104839 4 years ago
Unlike certain fanatics here, I don't try to count up the pages a certain author spent on a certain topic, in foolish attempt to discredit that author. Forgive me for not doing that imbecility.
sobe104839 4 years ago
Well genius, when you say the remains of "6 million Jews..." that means the remains of ALL of them. Duh!
sobe104839 4 years ago
Your comment is breathtakingly stupid, see the message I sent you, so why don't you stick a sock in it to avoid further destroying your credibility.
sobe104839 4 years ago
If the chamber is divided into smaller ones, it would become several smaller chambers. <b>Call it whatever you want, optimal occupation is harder to ascertain with one big chamber rather than several smaller chambers</b> (or if you want to call it a big chamber divided by partitions rather than several smaller chambers that's fine, it doesn't change anything).
sobe104839 4 years ago
Then how about I post something current. In the last week a mass grave was found in ukraine containing several thousand bodies.
Since I can't like I'll tell you where: BBC, Tuesday, 5 June 2007, 18:21 GMT 19:21 UK, Ukrainian mass Jewish grave found
guderianpz 4 years ago
Hahaha thats for declaring my political alignment. Nah I was antiwar from the get-go. And I wasnt making a reference to Carl Sagans, I was stating it is impossible to factor evidence that isn't there or considered.
guderianpz 4 years ago