Oneness or Trinity, which is Biblical ? by Charles key

[JesusHoldMyHand1]

God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit are ONE GOD. God the Father is the Spirit of Power. God the Son is the image of the Invisible God: Colossians 1:15-20; John 1:1-5 & v14; Jesus Christ is Deity: Colossians 2:9-10; His the Almighty: Revelation 1:7-8; He is the SAME God of Exodus 24:9-12; 6:2-5; 33:11; Genesis 18; 32:30; Numbers 12:4-9; Deuteronomy 34:10. Jesus is God: Titus 2:13; John 20:27-28. Jesus and the Father are One: John 10:30 & 14:9 - He is I AM: Exodus 3:14; John 8:58

[stixandpix1966]

What a waste of time.

[rossdaboss1959]

What Bible are u reading? Hear Oh Israel, the Lord our God is one. For in HIM dwelt all the FULLNESS of the GODHEAD BODILY. Colossians 2:9. Isaiah 9:6, The mighty God, the everlasting Father, The prince of peace. U not reading or u don't understand the scriptures. Acts 2:38.

[rossdaboss1959]

Job 13:6-10, Will ye accept his PERSON? not PERSONS! Isaiah 40:25, 41:4, 43:3-15, 44:6-8, 24. 45:5-7, 12-19, 21-22. 46:5-10. 63:3, 5-6, 16. Matthew 1:23. St John 1:1-14, Galatians 3:20, GOD IS ONE. Ephesians 4:6, Colossians 2:9, 1 Timothy 3:16 1 John 5:20, Genesis 1:26=Proverbs 8:22-36. Titus 2:13, St John 20:28. I just don't see how anybody can go along with the trinity after reading these scriptures. No where does it state anything about three persons in one. Acts 2:38 is still God's plan.

[DeeStinger1]

Well, I guess I'm like a little kid in my faith. I simply believe that there is only One God, who is manifest in three seperate persons. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. God is Almighty and surely can manifest Himself in three different persons if He so wills.They took on their respective roles in order to fulfill their redemptive plan for mankind. "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE" (I John 5:7).

[olmon1]

@DeeStinger1 That are scripture is true. Your application of it is faulty however. They are 'one' meaning that they are of one mind, in agreement with each other. Not as you imply 'one entity'. Does John 14:19-20 mean that all the disciples are also GOD because Jesus says that they are in union with him and he is in union with the Father???

[DeeStinger1]

@olmon1 Thanx. But could it alse be not only of their unity and agreement in their testimony, but of their unity in essence or nature, they being the one God. So that, this passage holds forth and asserts the unity of God, a trinity of persons in the Godhead, the proper deity of each person, and their distinct personality, the unity of essence in that they are ONE. More than just being in agreement.

[DeeStinger1]

@olmon1 John 14:20 Surely doesn't mean the disciples are also God. THAT I AM IN MY FATHER; in his bosom, in union with him, partaker of the same nature, perfections, and glory with him, and equal to him: AND YOU IN ME :

that they were in union with him as the branches in the vine, and as the members are in the head, and how they were loved in him, chosen in him, righteous in him, AND I IN YOU; formed in their hearts, living in them, dwelling in them. > Don't be silly.

[DeeStinger1]

@olmon1 Would you happen to be a Jehovah's Witness? Sounds like it. Its bad that people don't even know who Jesus is. They try to strip Him of His divinity. Say He was just an angel. He's just a teacher, prophet, anything but the God He is. Thats the spirit of antichrist and salvation is not possible to people who deny who He is. Good Night.

[Goodlife51]

@taurusau..u know the Truth..God bless u.........Isaiah 48:16

[taurusau]

How do I send you a message and not have it post here?  Sorry for the ignorance!

[taurusau]

Obviously, I disagree. NO support for a triune essence is laughable.

The Father says of the SON in Heb 1:8 that HE, the Son, laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the work of HIS hands. This is the Father taliking about the Son, but you disagree with the Father's words of course.

Your doctrine sounds a bit more confusing than mine, binitarianism?

The Father is the Holy Spirit? Did you read or respond to Isa 48:16? Or, how about Rev 3:1 - seven spirits of God?

[taurusau]

1 Jn 5:7-8- there are three that testify... No reference to the trinity there.

Let US make man in OUR image - no reference to a mulitpersonal Deity.

I came down from heaven-JESUS speaking- NOT do do MY will but to do the will of the Father - no subject object distinction there either??

If this is one person, He is bi-polar.

Remember, if anyone preaches to you ANOTHER Jesus, let him be anathema.

Please reconsider.

[taurusau]

I am confused by what you believe! You are a strict monotheist but not absolute oneness? What is the difference?

Is Jesus God?  The Son is NOT the humanity of God(Heb 1:10-12), he was there at creation, and is eternal (Heb 7:3)!! And, would you honor a man the way you honor God?

God is Spirit, true, but doesn't the Father send the Spirit (Isa 48:16).

We cannot get around the fact that the there is one God explained as three persons. The Trinity is not a problem but a solution. God bless

[taurusau]

If its not absolute oneness, what is it?? Oneness or persons or deity? That is WHY I believe in the tri-unity of God - Father, Son & HS are all God, yet God is one. Gen says about marriage that the two will become one! Is it one person or two?

The Son created the heavens & earth and will have no end(Heb 1:10-12), yet Gen1:1 says God created the world.

2 questions: Is the Son God? Do you honor the Son the way you honor the Father? God bless you.

[taurusau]

It seems that there are two oneness doctrines out there right now. One says the Father is the Son, another says the Father indwells the Son. According to you, is the Son a distinct person from the Father?

[tubiejonny]

God died right near my house of Aids in the 80's. Luckly, he won't be forcing pain on anyone else, that evil bastard is dead.

[snnicky]

1 Thess. 4:8

He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us HIS holy Spirit.

1 Corin. 2:10-11

But God hath revealed them unto us by HIS Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

... even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

..and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matt. 3:15-7

[joekooltrips]

None are right because they both lead 2Yashu'a being the most HIGH God, When he's NOT !.

[pentecost4me]

I am pentecostal. I believe in the trinity. But because my brother in Christ who may be apostolic/oneness, doesnt, I'm not going to discontinue fellowship. pentecostal Holiness people have enough confrontation from the world and other denominations. They don't need it between themselves. God Bless.

[taurusau]

Brother Murray- thanks for the comment. Eternal mountains, stones, etc do not take away from real meaning in the original language, even if mistranslated by trinitarians.

Again, do you honor the Son the way you honor the Father? This will determine your eternal destination - I still have no answer. God bless you.

[santanajosue]

The name Jesus means Jehova Saviour in the OT Jehova is the father. Isaiah 52:6 Therefore My people shall know My name; Therefore they shall know in that day That I am He who speaks: What name is God speakin about?

We pray, sing, cast out demons and baptize in the name above all names

Acts 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved ...JESUS!

oneness doctrine is biblical, not 3 persons in the Godhead

[taurusau]

It is obvious that you honor the Father because you think Jesus is the Father. The NT calls Jesus the Son of God well over 100 times. Again, do you honor the Son the way you honor the Father? Your salvation depends on it. God bless you.

[Imaginefree69]

Much ado about nothing. Your god has not had a single success yet. He made perfect angels. He made perfect humans on a perfect earth. He had a perfect son. And ALL of them end up tortured and dead. He ends up with a few thousand buddies to lay around paradise with for ever while ALL the rest are destroyed or tortured for eternity. Has there ever been a bigger loser? Ever?

[taurusau]

Last, Isa 9:6 "everlasting Father" is correctly translated Father of eternity.

And right out of the Father's mouth He says

Heb 1:8 But of the Son he[Father] says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, & v10 "You[Son], Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands;

Will you believe the Father if He tells you directly that the Son created heaven & earth?

Do you honor the Son the way you honor the Father? I encourge you to do so!

[BrotherMurray]

Taurusau, do you know much about the Hebrew language? They use their adjectives much differently than we do and their language is very different.

In Isaiah. 9:6, Father of Eternity means Eternal Father. How do we know this? The Bible refers to Eternal Mountains as Mountains of Eternity and also calls Marble Stones, Stones of Marble.

Most major Bible translations read Eternal Father, because they understand this fact. By the way, those translators were Trinitarians.

[taurusau]

Young's Literal translation reads: Isa 9:6 For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.

And, 2Jn 1:3 there shall be with you grace, kindness, peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. Is Jesus his own son?? Again, do you honor the Son the way you honor the Father???

[taurusau]

Brother Murray- thanks for the comment. Eternal mountains, stones, etc do not take away from real meaning in the original language, even if mistranslated by trinitarians.

Again, do you honor the Son the way you honor the Father? This will determine your eternal destination - I still have no answer. God bless you.

[BrotherMurray]

Can you honor one without the other? Realistically? If you honor the image of the Invisible God, do you not also honor God? Jesus Christ acts as the mediator, the high priest which is why we are to pray in his name, baptize in his (Jesus) name, and do all things in his name.

Father of Eternity means the Eternal (or everlasting) Father. You do not understand 'sonship'.

Remember that Jesus was called Son of God AND Son of Man. And also notice that he was not once called God the Son.

[taurusau]

Yes- the Jews did exactly that! They honored the Father but rejected the Son. He who has the Son has life. Son is not an office that God filled. The Son is a PERSON!! Prophet, priest and king are offices.

Pro 30:4 Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and the name of his son? Tell me if you know!

[taurusau]

By the way, still no answer on if you HONOR THE SON!!!

I don't think you can say that and hold to your theology. Maybe thats why you won't put it in writing.

[BrotherMurray]

No, the Jews did not honor the Father. Who can reveal the Son, but the Father? Who revealed the Son to Peter (Matthew 16)? THE FATHER.

They are not three persons. There is only one I AM, there is only one Yahweh. One will, one mind.

Jesus Christ, Yeshua Hamaschiach is the only BEGOTTEN Son of God.

He is the express image of the PERSON (singular) of God (Hebrews 1:1-3).

You do not understand Sonship- that Jesus was not conceived by sperm, but by the overshadowing of the Spirit of God.

[BrotherMurray]

And this might be way over your head but unless you honor God, you are not a Jew.

Romans 2:29: But who is a Jew but he who is inwardly circumcised

Inward circumcision is a result of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and is of the New Covenant, the New Covenant.

To say that you can honor the Father and not honor the Son is to attempt either to divide God or an admission of TRITHEISM.

[taurusau]

Over my head, I don't think so. If you read what I said - the Jews, physical Israel, worshipped the Father and rejected the Son. True Israel, worships both Father AND Son. Our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. Jn 1:3. You cannot have fellowship with the Son of the bible because you think he came to an end!!

I'm still waiting for an answer - do you honor the Son the way you honor the Father???

Paul was talking about new birth in both the OT & NT.

[taurusau]

Gal 3:8 The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham. The gospel is not baptism and obedience. Refer to Paul's commentary on the OT (Romans) chapter 4 - you are justified by faith in Christ, but maybe that's over your head. There is your gospel in the OT & NT - you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

So, will you honor the Son the way you honor the Father? I'm waiting and so is He!!!

[BrotherMurray]

John 3:5: You must be born of the water and of the Spirit

Acts 2:38:..be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins

Acts 10:48 (to Gentiles): And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.

*And many more scriptures.

Define the word "persons" as used in the Bible. According to Strong it means ENTITY, SUBSTANCE, or BEING.

God wants us to forsake traditions and vain philosophy, choosing rather to worship God in Spirit and in truth.

[taurusau]

Jesus says Joh 3:11  "Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but you do not believe". Being born of the Spirit is not something new!! Again the gospel was proclaimed to the OT saints (Heb 4:2) who placed faith in Christ.

Pro 30:4 (OT btw) What is his name, and the name of his son? Tell me if you know!

Will you honor the Son the way you honor the Father?? Yes or No - I can't believe you won't answer the question!!

[BrotherMurray]

Actually, if being born of the Spirit was not something new, Nicodemus would not have been so confused.

Also, the followers of Christ would not have had to tarry at Jerusalem if the Holy Spirit had already come.

Do I honor the Son the way I honor the Father? They are expressions of the same PERSON. They are expressions of the SAME GOD.

The Son is the only way to the Father. You believe that you can get to the Father through another way than the Son, so you obviously call Jesus a liar.

[taurusau]

Jesus bore witness to what He had SEEN (past tense)meaning the new birth. Pentecost was a fulfillment of Joel's prophesy that he would pour out His spirit on all flesh.

Father and Son are not expressions, they are persons- any reading of the text will show you that.

Your theology says that the Son comes to an end. If He doesn't then you are wrong, very wrong.

My fellowship is with the Father AND His Son, Jesus. That is the only way I can get to the Father and have never said otherwise.

[taurusau]

My faith is based on the PERSON and WORK of Jesus, the Son of God. Your theology says that the son is the father. It looks to me that you aren't going through the Son, you are going directly to God as father. Who is bypassing the Son, you or me?

Pro 30:4 What is His name and the name of His son? Tell me if you know.

Will you honor the Son the way you honor the Father? Why would that question even be asked if these are "expressions"?

And again, I still have no answer from you!

[taurusau]

Here's a good question: do you honor expressions or persons?????

[BrotherMurray]

Who preaches in the Son's name? I do. Who baptizes in his name? I do. You don't.

You say that God is 'three persons'...

According to Strongs, the word person means 'ENTITY or SUBSTANCE"

To say God is three entities is blatant TRITHEISM. You say that the Godhead is composed of 3 persons whereas Paul says that the fulnesss of the Godhead dwells in Jesus.

I honor Yeshua Hamashiach, Jesus Christ. You honor a different Jesus who was born 200 AD with the birth of Trinitarian theology.

[taurusau]

I know and understand your doctrines and traditions. I know what the apostles taught and did. I also know that I am a child of God by faith in Christ Jesus. You place faith in baptism, whereas I place faith in the baptizer!

Do you do everything the apostles did? Act 2:44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.

Do you own a home or have you sold it and shared it with your congregation?

[taurusau]

I don't say God is three persons, the bible explains God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You say they are offices, I say and the bible explains they are persons.

The trinity is not a problem, its a solution. Where is the word office used?

Lastly, will you put in print that you honor the Son the way you honor the Father?

You won't do it because you can't.

[BrotherMurray]

Again, you just said God is three persons. Offices and manifestations are not persons just like the burning bush was not a person. Jesus is the express image of the person (singular) of God.

QUOTE JESUS:

John 3:5: You must be born of the water and of the Spirit to enter itno the Kingdom of God.

Use the Word in context, in Acts 2:44 the church had just started and needed drastic funding. Did that practice continue throughout the Gospel? No. So use scripture in context.

[taurusau]

First, the bible implies that they are persons (wills, loves, sends).

Second, where in the context do you get "the church needed drastic funding" and this practice has stopped???? The context implies this????

Is it a sin to be baptized incorrectly?

[BrotherMurray]

Is it a sin to be baptized incorrectly?

Well, Paul came to the disciples of John and their baptism was not sufficient so Paul simply showed them the way of God more perfectly.

Paul simply re-baptized the disciples of John in the name of the Lord Jesus.

The context concerning Acts 2:44 is that that was not common church practice and occured only within the first days and weeks of the church's existence. We don't see its continued practice.

[taurusau]

Jn 6:38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.

Who came down from heaven? Jesus, obviously.

But, not to do His will but the will of Him who sent Him. This dismantles the oneness position. Two wills, the Son in heaven before incarnation, the Father sending the Son, the Son doing the Father's will.

Again, unless you discard grammatical rules (which seems to be the case) this speaks of two persons in the Godhead.

May God bless you.

[taurusau]

First, the tri-unity is a solution, not a problem. There are numerous verses that call the Father God, the Son God, and the Holy Spirit God, yet the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father, and neither are the Holy Spirit. The tri-unity presents the best explanation for the biblical witness, unless you want to jettison object subject distinctions.

Also, echad means one, not singular but a compound unity. If the writer wanted to indicate singleness, he would have used yachid.

[parousia555]

How did the Holy Spirit become deity? There is no one single word in either Hebrew or Greek for the HS. HS = Hagion Pnuema in greek, but spirit of truth is either Hagion of Althaeia or the Parakletos or the Advocate. The HS is never refered to the Advocate in either language

[yesGodknows]

This is the mistery that bible says, it is not the mistery of oneness. it is the mistery of defined subjects with defined personalities being one God. it is not a problem for believers. Oneness is a grammatical incoherence cause doesn´t respect the difference among these subjects-individuals-grammatic­al persons Jhon says, there are three in heaven, but these three are one. Have respect for the three as for the one. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost: different though they are one.

[ChurchofGOD7thDay]

Thanks for posting this video. We are looking at the kingdom as through a glass, but on that day we shall see HIM and know HIM.

We agree the bible is the final word on these matters until Jesus returns.

[postrero510]

thats a good way to grow up. Just eat whatever they throw at you. We cant Ignore the threats made by the catholic church to anyone who didn't think like they did after the death of John at Patmos

[yesGodknows]

I´m inviting all of you to make your own research. I made mine, and I found more than 501 sentences-text in NT where Jesus is clearly a different invididual-subject than his Father. I hope that be enough for you cause it should be.

[BrotherMurray]

Find the following in your KJV Bible:

-The word Trinity

-An example of baptism in the titles

[Oct31st1517]

Why KJV?

[BrotherMurray]

Good point. Its not found in the other translations either.

[Oct31st1517]

So nonbiblical means unbiblical? Can you please show me oniscient, or onipresent?

[BrotherMurray]

Omniscient and Omnipresent are adjectives, synonyms of words used to describe God in the Bible. There is a difference between one word being absent and an entire concept and terminology therein being absent.

John 4:24 says that God is a Spirit. Tell me Mark, is there a difference between the Spirit of Christ (1 Peter 1:10?) and the Holy Spirit? Are they two seperate spirits?

[Oct31st1517]

If Jesus took on flesh, how can He be the Holy Spirit? Did He not say "A spirit has not flesh & bones as you see I have"? They are seperate persons. But 1 spirit.

[BrotherMurray]

You didn't answer the question:

Are the Spirit of Christ and the Holy Spirit seperate spirits?

[Oct31st1517]

I answered the question very directly. No, they are the same spirit, but not the same person. Let me guess that doesn't make any sense? Now answer my question. If Jesus took on flesh, how can He be the Holy Spirit? Did He not say "A spirit has not flesh & bones as you see I have"?

[BrotherMurray]

Great is the mystery of Godliness that God was manifested in the flesh. Was the Spirit of Christ, well, in Christ or was it not? We must read each passage in proper context. God is a Spirit. The Holy Spirit or Spirit of God is simply God in action. The Father was the father of Jesus yet the Holy Ghost conceived Christ in the womb. The Father still maintained his rights as father as the Father and the Holy Ghost are one.

[Oct31st1517]

In other words you won't answer my question.

[BrotherMurray]

Read the response- it answers the question. You are saying that Jesus Christ is not a spirit. What then is the Spirit of Christ? If God is a spirit (John 4:24), then how could Jesus Christ be God if he is not a spirit?

Read the full passage of scripture and it is clear what he meant. They thought he was a simple spirit without a body, not God. Again, God is a spirit (John 4:24). Jesus is God. You took the verse out of context.

[parousia555]

Holy Spirit should be pluralized, but otherwise the spirit of Christ and the HS are the same thing, but and however the spirit of Jesus or the spirit of truth is not the HS

[BrotherMurray]

"but and however the spirit of Jesus or the spirit of truth is not the HS"

You just said there are two spirits (gods) which if you add in the unbiblical term, God the Son, you end up with a triad of THREE gods (Thritheism).

[parousia555]

well if u want to get technical the godhead as u know it is made of multiple trillions to the trillioneth power of gods. Elohim = gods, theos = a god, but it is pawned off as GOD. Nobody does due dilligence study when it comes to the bible. When the 'spirit' of God (should read "the spirit of the gods") in genesis was above the face of the waters; 'spirit' is used in singular tense but is a reference to a plurality. Jesus is beg and end or father and mother, father administraion ref to beg walk

[BrotherMurray]

Parousia555:

Hear oh Israel, the LORD thy God is ONE (Echad)

Echad means one, singleness, alone. ONE.

[parousia555]

The emphesis is on the word "Lord" yes Jehovah is one, God in this verse is Elohim which is gods

[Pentecostyes]

So how long have you been ignorant of Oneness theology, Keyhom? Jesus said that he and his father were one. Where have you been Keyhom? According to your video here Acts 2:38 doesn't exist. May as well be Catholic because they ignore Acts 2:38 too.

[Roxxoxo]

Well, since the trinity doctrine is not in the Bible, why don't you trinitarians just add it in?!! What? They did? 1John5:7"...the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Ohhh, you trinitarians have added to the word of God and you're gonna receive the plagues!!

If your Bible translation reads at John1:1"...and the Word was God," it is in error! Your names will not be written in the book of life for deliberately misrepresenting God.

[postrero510]

The best way to make things valid it has to have the authority of a good name. Why not plagerize the BIBLE? Early church fathers are known for plagerizing, see II Clement and also The Epistle of Barnabas. SCANDALOUS!

[commandojon]

Is this "theological discussion" necessary? Why should believers be debating something that tears us apart. Will we ever really know until we are in heaven? Why is it so important for people to prove they are right? Why not accept our differences in belief, as long as they do not conflict with salvation, and realize that any one of us could be wrong and what we *really* should be doing is lifting each other up? I want to see all of you in heaven, even though I don't know you. Lets not debate.

[jordan19862000]

We should debate it because it is the nature of God. Also certain believes on the Godhead lead to other bad teachings. If It wasnt for debate and dealing with heresy,we would have people in the "christian faith" teaching that Jesus is a created being.

[NiagaraFallsOnt]

We need to be like the Early Church & Bereans. Most of us have lost reverance research. We judge what is popular with the world or a liberal doctrine. The Pharisees,religious teachers & many people of His time denied the Trinity. Apostate manmade doctrines & traditions Jesus rebuked.

[zionking47]

Its funny to see all of these different opinions... There are probably many people who spend all of their time debating doctrine like this and forget what Jesus really has for our life.

[jordan19862000]

Well what Jesus are we talking about? If you have a Jesus that is not GOd,or the mormon jesus than we have a different Jesus that that of the 4 gospels. It is important to know the correct Jesus because Christianity is based off of who he is not just what he taught.

[uboyny]

no the word bible is not in the bible but the consep behind the word is English word Bible means essentially "the (papyrus) book." Almost all known early Phoenician inscriptions, most from the 10th century BC, come from Byblos. the word trinity is not in the bible because the consept behind the word is not there truian 3 persons 3 in one seperate distict 3 Gods 3 in the Godhead 3 divine from one another im not against the word im against the meaning behind the word that is not there.

[uboyny]

there is only 1 wise God those that mean Jesus was not wise? Jesus is God in Flesh and the son of God acording to the birth by human flesh he is the alpha omega beggining and the end how many alpha and omegas do u have? the trinity was declared in 180 ad and established in 325 ad it does not take God 300 years to reaveal himself. trinity is the harlot of the church formed by the roman catholic empire and crept into christianity anyone that was baptized in 3 names fallows this man made doctrine.

[uboyny]

trnity/ distinct/ triuin/ seperate/ persons 3 in the Godhead/ 3 in one/ none of these are in the bible reffering to God the Son And holyghost were do you get this from there is the word one God Jesus is God 1st tim 3:16 Jesus is the Father isa 9:6 Jesus is the almighty 1s and last God becamse flesh John 1:1 God became flesh 1st tim 3:16 fullness of the God head is in Jesus. bapstized people all through scipture in Jesus name not 3 names hear o isreal the Lord your God is 1 there is only one God

[drock9581]

All of the above is the typical, blind, ignorant ramblings of indoctrinated oneness person who can't even convey what a Trinitarian believes. Poaches and cherry picks scripture to support the incoherent, and misconstrued, and conviluted teachings of the Oneness Cult.

[jordan19862000]

The trinity does not teach 3 Gods but rather 3 personalities within the One God. Stop talking about the trinity until you understand it. Jesus prayed to the father which in oneness def. is another manifestation or mask. A person cannot pray to another mask!!!

[keyhom]

I believe anything worth doing is worth doing bad, until you can do it good. I rather do something and make mistakes than do nothng perfectly.

[Orenotter]

So... what? He's two? Four? Pi?

I can accept that both theories are correct, but how can they both be wrong?

By the way, your grammar, punctuation and spelling could keep Strong Bad on the gravy train for years. You might want to be a little bit more careful.

[jordan19862000]

They cant both be correct because they hold to conflicting views.

[Orenotter]

They aren't conflicting. just think about it for a moment. First of all, the concept of "God" does not denote a person, but, (for lack of a better word) an office. In much the same way, Carter, Clinton and Bush can all be "Mister President". But assume for a moment that you have three beings all with the attributes of "God"- infinite and flawless in knowledge, power, authority and goodness. They must always be in concert, never in conflict, or else one or more is not divine. (cont)

[Orenotter]

The three have perfect knowledge of themselves and each other. With no conflict, they are united in mind almost as if they were sharing a single mind. They all share utmost authority, so again, they must always be in concert, acting as a single authority. By definition, no matter how many deities you have, if each is truly a god, they must all be a single god. Thus, you can have both the trinity and one God.

[jordan19862000]

Wrong. The oneness teaches that Jesus is the Father and the Holy spirit. Trinity teaches that Jesus is the Son only. So both views cannot be correct. One is right and one is wrong. YOur right they are a single God. The 3 personas are the one God.

[flyinthunder]

Something tells me that you just proved that God is three into one by the messages you presented. Read them over again and see what I am talking about, then you have an option to destroy your video or change the title to "I have accidentally proven the idea of the Trinity."

[Forcespace]

I love this message--it is encouraging. The only thing I would suggwest is that you have a page or two on what the trinity and oneness ideas actually mean--that way more people would know what you are talking about.

[zionking47]

uboyny, maybe there is a trinity or oneness but what this video is saying is that neither the word trinity nor the word oneness is in the bible... I know that the word ONE is used to refer to God but maybe it is not that big of an issue. If it was Jesus would have made that clear.

[pastorlevi]

Perhaps you should study the first verse of the Bible. "In the beginning God..." The name "God" is "elohiym", which means - God in the plural. The very first verse of the Bible teaches the Trinity.

[GodzChild007]

Watch ApostolicGodsChild videos called questions trinitarians wont answer honestly it completely upholds the oneness doctrine. Also read Isaiah 9:6 Unto usa son is born... and his name shall be called THE MIGHTY GOD,THE EVERLASTING FATHER,THE PRINCE OF PEACE! Mal2:10 states there is only one father in heaven and in Rev21:7 Jesus says he will be the father to the over comer.Jesus also says he is the beginning and the end Rev21:6,Rev21:13.Deut6:4 Hear O Israel:The Lord our God is one Lord!

[pastorlevi]

Apostolic God Child's video is ridiculous.I will be doing a video refuting every one of his false suppositions.I just finished writing a book refuting this Jesus Only mess. The Oneness system of Theology is a Theologicial house of cards. Just a gentle Gospel breeze easily blows it over. One must be totally overcome by pride or a devil to accept that foolishness.

[uboyny]

im sorry but this is funny to me lol you say there is no trinity or oness but i agree no trinity but how many times is the word ONE referring to God in the bible? i would guess atleast 20 40? God was manifiested in the flesh 1st tim 3:16 who was the flesh? Jesus Christ. watch out for fauls teachings youself GodBless.

[keyhom]

just read my comments from a week ago part 1 and 2

[pastorlevi]

I think you all are hilarious. Did you know the word "Bible" isn't in the Bible? Do we quit preaching from the Bible? Did you know the word incarnation isn't in the Bible either? Do we quit preaching the incarnation? The word Trinity may not be in the Bible, but the doctrine certainly is. I'd be glad to debate any of you on the subject. There is one God and He is Triune! 1 John 5:7.

[keyhom]

Part 2: I believe that the attempts by Christians to try to deman that others agree with their inconsistent at best, explanations of the Godhead,is not something the Apostles demanded and we should not either. For every explanation of the Godhead I've heard, there are many scriptures that don't fit neatly into the explanation, so I'll go with Paul, great is the Mystery.

[zionking47]

Very good Keyhom... thats perfect...

[keyhom]

ParT 1: Please let me clear up this point, i belive there is one God. the scripture clearly states, hear oh Israel, the LORd yor God is one lord. Trinitarians, Oneness christians and most others believe thier is one God, Wher they differ is in how they explain Him. My arguement is that mankind with it's limited knowledge is un able to explain God. Hence, Great is the Mystery of Godliness.

[oklahomaweather1]

ok? To deny the Oneness of God is to deny God. Oneness and Trinity are just human expressions of how God exists. I'm a Oneness believer, so I believe in One God, not three in One. The Trinity (three-n-one) doctrine isn't taught anywhere in the Bible. "The Lord our God is One" (Deaut 6:4), not three-in-one. Period.

[zionking47]

Really no reason to debate about it because in the bilbe it is clear that we are saved by our faith in Jesus, not in our Trinity or Oneness doctrine...

[pastorlevi]

Technically, you are right. The problem is, the Jesus of the Apostolic church is not the Jesus of the Bible. They have another Jesus, therefore cannot be saved by that Jesus. If I asked you if you knew someone and you said, "Yes", but was wrong on every description you gave, I would have to assume you and I were talking about 2 different people.

[GodzChild007]

Ummmm... What different Jesus there is only 1 Jesus in the Bible and that is what we stand on believing in him as God as the Bible says: Isaiah 9:6 Unto us a child is born...and his name shall be called wonderful councellor The MIGHTY GOD,THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE PRINCE OF PEACE... do you know anybody else in the Bible that fits that description other than our Lord Jesus Christ. He is the ALPHA and OMEGA THE BEGINNING AND THE END

[pastorlevi]

That is the point exactly. There is but one Jesus and the Jesus of the Oneness church is not that Jesus. Your Jesus is schizophrenic. He talks and prays to himself. He was fearful that he forsook his own self. He stands and sits on, at, and by his own right hand. He came to earth to send himself away, so he could send himself back. No! Your Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible-he is another Jesus. P.S. Please notice that it is the Son who is called God!

[GodzChild007]

Acts2:38 Repent and be baptised every one of you IN the name of JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins and ye shall recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost.if you need to be baptised inhis name not his title & ppl are doing it the other way believing their sins are washed away,when theyre not thats enough reason for me. there is power in Jesus name that at name every knee shall bow & I bow to only the living God who is beginning & the end Rev21:6 i serve my heavenly father best I can Rev 21:7

[spikex6]

Oneness only refers to the biblical fact that there is only 1 God. lol to say that's not true, is to say that the bible is incorrect. Yes it is true that the bible does not use the term "oneness", but in all fairness that term is only used to say that there is but One God. The term trinity is not in the bible, nor is the doctrine of the trinity taught in scripture.

[RinnEgade]

The doctrine of one God is as old as God himself: Deut 6:4. The doctrine of trinity or triune started approximately 300AD. God is one (echad) & alone (yachid). period

[ApostolicGodsChild]

Great assumptions, i don't see how people can miss scriptures such as Iasiah 9: 6, John 1: 1,14; John 8: 17-27, John 14: 7-26 etc. Yet they say that Oneness isn't taught in the bible but these scriptures and many more prove them wrong.

[keyhom]

Sorry bro, but I diddn't assume anything. I Believe all those scripture you quoted are accurate. My point is that the aposltes never mention oneness or trinity. They don't mention the concepts or argue for or against these ideas. If they don't whom am I to.

[taurusau]

The bible, the disciples, and Jesus do not use the word incarnation, but you believe in that, right? The words "oneness" and "trinity" are how man describes God as expressed in the bible.  I adhere to "trinity"/tri-unity because I think its biblical.

[keyhom]

1 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version) 16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

[taurusau]

Do you use any words not in the bible? Or, are all your answers bible scriptures? By the way, the apostle John does mention the concept of the trinity: 1Jn 5:7 For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

What would you call this?

[ApostolicGodsChild]

1 John 5: 7 is spurious among scholars and is seen not as written by the Apostle John. So this is irrelevant. God bless

[GodzChild007]

No part of the word of God is irrelevantbut theway ppl twist it can make you wonder but!!! The scripture does say: THESE THREE ARE ONE!!!& that is why the Apostolic doctrine preaches: ONE GOD ONE FAITH ONE BAPTISM!!! NEVER ANYWHERE IS THE TRINITY MENTIONED IN The BIBLE!! I Greet you in the nname that is above every the name of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

[GodzChild007]

The end of that scripture quoted says THESE THREE ARE ONE! not three different beings, if the whole verse is quoted the trinity theory automatically shuts down.(I think we all agree God is our heavnly father the dispute comes when we say JESUS IS GOD!but the scriptures say Jesus is the father; Isaish9:6 For unto us a child is given...and his name shall be called:THE MIGHTY GOD THE EVERLASTING FATHER THE PRINCE OF PEACE. Jesus said Rev 21:6 I am Alpha& Omega,the beginning and the end. The 1&Only

[cbntmn]

Some bibles say "God was manifest..." Some say "He was manifest...." Big difference. In fact most say "He" or "Christ" This difference would blow the trinity position of that scripture out of the water.

[pastorlevi]

Neither does anything to the doctrine of the Trinity. We believe that there is one God! We believe that Jesus is God and was manifest int he flesh.

[keyhom]

Jesus said no one has seen the father he the son of god who is in the bossom of the father has declared. I have a question to end this debate, somebody tell me what Jesus looked like when he was on earth. You know hair color, skin color eye color, height weight etc.

[jordan19862000]

The gospels never go into much detail about Jesus physical description. What is your point??

[ApostolicGodsChild]

ok, i see what you mean, i see the concept of oneness but others may see otherwise, thanks for clearing that up. God bless