Thank you for you're civil reply, I see what you were detting at now People from Africa the West indies, and the Indian sub continent, have largely been forgotten, even by the British themselves. Films like these should be shown on TV more. I would also like to say that despite some of the comments you may find on youtube, we also hold the Americans who fought in both wars in high regard too, don't listen too the you tube haters. Respect!
I'm really proud of what my Country men did and what they endured - but I would never, ever fight in any whites man army nor in any white mans war, period.
@Paulwander Check out the story of Basil Rodgers, a black British conscientious objector who was born in Devon, in Stephen Bourne's new book MOTHER COUNTRY - BRITAIN'S BLACK COMMUNITY ON THE HOME FRONT 1939-45 (The History Press).
@Paulwander Of course Hitler would have stopped after he had defeated the whites. Anyway, it was not a war about colour but values. You obviously have neither.
Interesting that the "EVIL IMPERIALISITC EMPIRE" of Britain promoted full integration and inclusion from all parts of the globe whilst at the same time, daughter ally (the land of the free) was implementing a policy of segregation and exclusion on this same Island of Britain with her personnel.
The only thing that is missing is full and proper history lessons in SCHOOLS. forget divali - show the VALUE - it is an indictment that places like You Tube and Wickipaedia are the reference points.
it's called the British tea because the British "made it famous" - they took China tea to India, adopted tea as the National drink and spread it around the globe,
Its nothing to do with who grew it, farmed it, transported it.
But by "sponsoring" the national drink, they ensured plenty of employment.
I am drinking it, It's not fiction, it's right here.
We purchased, a few years back, a different version of this film ("Hello, West Indies!") from the U.K.'s Imperial War Museum in which my Dad had a speaking part. In this version he is shown in a couple of cameos. Thanks for posting this!
I very much enjoyed this film of West Indies, since I myself am from there and my family too. It brings back so many good memories and makes me think of how harder it was back then with not so many conveniences, so it inspires one to keep moving on. It also made me a tad sentimental. Thanks very much!
@santoshiful True, very true. People like lausanne67 conveniently ignore the fact that it is British exploitation of the other parts of the world why non-white ethnic groups still migrate to the UK. Britain's chicks are just coming home to roost.
To me, to regret this is not "racist", but simply a preference for one type of society rather than another. I personally think it has been detrimental to Britain to move from a country with a common, shared culture, ethnicity and language to one splintered and fractured into innumerable races, ethnicities and cultures, with often incompatible values and beliefs. The intolerance of those who scream "racist" at anyone who dissents from conventional acceptance of multiculturalism is frightening.
A reminder of the disastrous consequences of the war for Britain and western Europe generally. It bankrupted us, putting us in debt to the Americans, who proceeded to dominate western Europe economically and (perhaps more importantly) culturally. Vitally, the death of so many British men in the war led to the govt-sponsored importation of non-white labour from 1948. Conceived as a temporary measure, it never ended and has transformed Britain utterly.
Mother Country - Britain's Black Community on the Home Front 1939-1945 by Stephen Bourne will be published by The History Press in September 2010. More info on Stephen's website.
@34airflow What do dyou mean "if only", West Indians did serve the mother country, just like this video says, my Father and Uncles served in the war, my Father was in the royal air force, my uncles were in the Army,Royal and merchant Navies respecively and they spoke of West Indians, Africans, Indians, that they met in the services. As an American, just what would you know about who served in the British armed forces during WWII ?
Gosh, i had to scroll back to find what I'd said. I certainly know, even as an American ;-), that people from all over the Commonwealth fought for freedom. I believe that I was trying to say that I don't believe people from the colonies were normally given as much respect by the British government as the soldiers in this film were. Do you see what I mean? I didn't say that Trinidadians, Indians, Jamaicans, etc., didn't fight in the war. I'm thankful they did!
@KevinJKtheman Gosh, i had to scroll back to find what I'd said. It is absolutely true that people from all over the Commonwealth fought for freedom. What I was trying to say is that I don't believe people from the colonies were normally given as much respect by the British government as the soldiers in this film were. Do you see what I mean? I didn't say that Trinidadians, Indians, Jamaicans, etc., didn't fight in the war. I'm very thankful they did!
Great vid... pity the experience was ruined by the mindless pratter taking place about it. I refer to both the inance comments of Britmovies and londonborngirl... and the encouragement given their insipidity by the responses of MrDubmaster. I understand the impulse to respond... but the running dialogue only further feeds the cranialrectitis of hate-spewing lowlifes.
Aikibro 1, I'm sorry if you feel I've encouraged these idiots, but I've always been of the opinion that fascists need to be confronted and exposed for what they are. Usually cowards who would never speak like this without the anonimity of the internet to hide behind. I will always confront them wherever they spread their filth.
@MrDubmaster I don't criticize you for responding... but after one or two I personally would have moved on and not give them the platform they obviously seek.
Thank you for intervening BFI, but I must disagree with your decision. We live in a culture of free speech, and to censor these people just hides their true beliefs. I think it is important that people should be allowed to see these disgusting comments so that they realise exactly what the BNP and it's supporters really stand for. These racist and ignorant people need to be exposed, especially with the BNP's attempts to portray themselves as a respectable party - which they blatantly are not!
Perhaps you'vee not been exposed to positive black role models. There is good and bad in all races.
I don't agree with your comment as you can't speak for everyone. You can only speak for yourself. If I were there, I would invite you for a meal so I could better understand your hatred. It is my sincere hope that your attititude will change in the near future. Take care for now. Kathy
I'm from Canada and my dad was a West Indian WWII veteran who volunteered to fight for Canada. He was an officer and a gentleman. After the war he obtained his Master's from McGill University and became a diplomat. He received many honours and awards in post war life. He led by example, In 2002 received the Queen's medal, awarded to Canadians who made a significant contribution to their fellow citizens, their community or to Canada over the previous fifty years. Please keep conversations civil.
Nice to see a comment from someone with true experience of the subject matter Kathy. But please don't expect any kind of civil conversations from these sick fascists. Respect to you and your family. Thank you.
@Britmovies "doh shot down again". - sounds like a playground jibe to me. You have not stated any facts at all, just assumptions and opinions. That is why I'm finishing this debate with you. You are a bigot with Nazi philosophies, and no reasoning will change that. I reiterate my point one last time: There are good and bad in all races. The colour of a mans skin is of no importance. Racism is a disease of the human mind. We must learn to live together. Peace and love. That's my final word!
@Britmovies I bet you have the nerve to call yourself a Christian too. Well Jesus Christ defended the downtrodden and oppressed - he died in the name of it. Your views are utterly abbhorrent. As has been said by someone else on this thread, you should learn your history! You probably think Morris Dancing is a great white British tradition - it was taken from 'Moorish Dancing' brought to this country by sailors who were copying the dances of the Africans. You really have so much to learn you fool
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Jesus Christ by modern day thought was probably involved in the resistance against the roman invasion. ie he wanted the immigrants out. My views were also welcomed by a thread member! I think you show how foolish you are.
Sailors may have brought morris dancing but not the Moors with them. Who under islam violently attacted the white west, showing the babaric nature of these people.
@Britmovies er...I think it was the Crusaders who did the muredering in the wars to gain control of the Holy Land - again you need to brush up on your history.
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lol and the Arabs had not been murdering. You know nothing. The moors were allowed to live in peace in Spain untill they tried to push for power and land. Islam actually means Submitt not peace. Now unless you read dont spout facts you have seen on TV. So you think morris dancing is a contribution to the west? Wow are we not luck...blacks must be so proud.
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Actually your wrong again...the name and black faces may have come from the moors but it seems the dancing goes way back. So they never even contributed this lol
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You see the are many types called Morris with black faces but also...molly, north west clog, boarder etc and i rarely see a black face....doh shot down again.
@Britmovies I grow tired of this pointless argument now. If you must resort to playground jibes it truly illustrates the level of your intellect. I suggest you try getting out more and meeting some real black people - not criminals or gangsters - real people. When you have met them and been invited into their company, experienced their generous hospitality and been honoured with their warmth and charm, then come back and talk about it. Until then I have no more to say to you on the subject. Bye!
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looking at the thread the were no jibes and you never supplied any facts references just blind claims. your going because the argument was a white win. do not feel bad. it has always been this way and will be. if man started in africa and spread, the oldest and most developed must be at the extremes. me!
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lol well done britmovie another white victory. This guy proves the point blacks can not debate, they havent the intelect. Well done I agree with all you said. Blacks rape and do drugs. If it wasnt for white law they would be in a mess like black countries.
So Londonborngirl, I'm black am I? well that shows how shallow you are. I am a born and bred white Londoner. My great-great grandfather came from Scotland to work on the construction of Tower Bridge, My Grandmother was Welsh and my family have always been Londoners. My family survived the blitz in East London in the war against the Nazi's who held views just like yours and John "Britmovies". I am British, and the values I've always held dear are British values of decency and respect for others!
@MrDubmaster Last summer I went to Disney World w/ my nieces and we met this British family and they seemed nice. Then out of no where they started talking about Africans in England. They were saying something about how they are a "problem" and dirty.
@MrDubmaster Even referred to them as breeders. i was lost being black and of African Decent I don't understand why they would have this conversation w/ me. I just played dumb and changed the subject not wanting to cause a scene since the children were eating and playing together.
@MrDubmaster It really made it me upset though, but it was so awkward I never really gave them a chance to explain themselves. Can you give me any insight on why British people dislike Africans. Is it racism or something else?
Hi Nikknikk. I'm so sorry to hear about your negative experience. In my view racism is pure ignorance. It is shameful and unacceptable in this day and age that people still hold such views. If only they could take the time to get to know some poeple of African descent they would change their minds. In the meantime, all we can do is try to educate and forgive them their ignorance - they know not what they do. Peace, love and respect to you.
I think the problem you people have is that you only see the world in black and white - just like Britmovies archaic old films. Just like black and white TV. If you opened your eyes a bit wider you would see that the world is actually in colour - all the colours of the rainbow, and very beautiful it is too. If you want to stay wrapped up in your little black and white world it is only yourselves whoare missing out on the good things in life. I really can't waste any more time on this debate!!!
@Britmovies the BNP are not 'doing well' as you say. They are a marginalised minority party, and the only reason they're getting any votes from the white working classes is because of the betrayal by the 'Labour' government. You are a sick person John. Skin colour is irrelevant, more white people from Eastern Europe have immigrated tyo this country than blacks in recent years. Are you OK with that? Black people have made an enormous contribution to Britain over the years.
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O come on lol dispite the best efforts of the media and goverment they got 3 million votes, two euro MP's! The increased the vote by an amazing % while Labour lost voters. What have black people contributed. Drugs, riots and more. The goverment think tank even agrees mass imigration has screwed up Britain. They have been no use and never will. Skin culture is important as its identity. Thats why 3rd gen Jamaicans refer to it as the mother country while I do not.
@Britmovies all the drug dealers I know are white! Cocaine and Heroin are the worst drugs of all, and they are pretty much imported, sold, and taken by mostly white people. There hasn't been a 'race' riot in this country since the 1950s - not to say that there haven't been riots. Rape and muggings are a very mixed bag - committed by black and white people in similar numbers, and as I said before, I've never seen a black peodophile. Most sicko serial killers are white! Your figures don't add up!
So what happened to the thousands of Irish men and other Britons that were sent to the West Indies and Americas to work? You're now trying to tell me that the same Britain with it's workhouses run by child labour, and the Britain that is half owned by Norman invaders was 100 years ago giving welfare checks out to its citizens. How about the millions of working class people who's families for hundreds of years have been at the very bottom of British society? Again, you're noting more than a pawn.
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Firstly the actuall Norman invaders were few but powerful.
"nd work houses were in fact a charity and without such people would have died like africa etc.
Workhouses were not run by child labour, adult ones used the adult inmates. Even the lowest British man had choices. But a slave was just that. He was not given a choice but forced to slavery. And proud we are, no tears, no regrets....do the same again. Channel 4 aired a show showing these may not even be the same as us like dog breeds.
Ah, well the blood of the Elizabethan 'Blackamoors' etc. runs steadily through Britishers anyway (where do you think they all went?) as well as most Europeans as demonstrated by the same Channel 4 you quoted. For more information look for '100% English'. There were more Africans in London in the 1600s than there were in 1960. Maybe you will regret slaver when you do a DNA test, lol!
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Well no thats not really true is it.More blacks in London in the 1600's than 60's. It seems now you have to lie to defend them. No wounder the BNP are doing so well. Not exactly a hive of knowledge. As I do produce a source for your facts...or are they just black lies lol
Well you can go and look at QEII's statement's she made when she got desperate at the end of her life and threatened to deport the thousands of blacks or 'blackamoors' in the country (kind of embarrassing that you don't know about this seeing as you're the 'Briton by blood'), or you could continue on your fantasy that your history of Empire or mass deportation of immigrants would make you any happier in your life. By the way I see you didn't comment on the DNA test. LOL!
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Actuall I have had a DNA test for the family tree and know who I am.
The statment you refer to does not talk of 1000's of blacks in London but rathe Liz's anger that any blacks should be here, reflecting the publics view. The was roman slaves here who were black but the difference is that they never came for benefits and they blended in. Those today want to be Jamaican etc in Britiain and so they should expect a hard time.
You cannot be proud of slavery because it was not originally intended to subjugate anybody, that came after when the rich whites wised up and started using the illiterate white masses. Africans were taken to work because they were stronger than the British indentured servants in the Americas, who died over work an African could do for his/her whole life. The only people who can be proud are 'crats who ruled both the sheepish European and the African slave. Were your ancestors Aristocrats?
Slavery was started by Arabs, who stole Africans into slavery. European traders bought into the slave trade, and the West Indies was the plantation that supplied America wuith Slaves and Europe with other resources. Britain was the first country to abolish slavery, and realise that it was a crime against humanity. Britain was deeply ashamed of it's role in slavery. You are proud of slavery? You are not British! You are an imposter! I pity your kids! Britmovies? Sh*tmovies more like!
Lol one thing you can not lie about I am a genetic britain. Africans were also into slavery. Who do you think helped the whites get the slaves. Britiain abolished it due to changing times. The average person doesnt care about the slave history. The goverment pay lip service while most dont care. Just started a forum thread about black contribution to british movies. Like everything else....the isnt anything.
Genetic maybe, but that doesn't make you a part of what Britain actually is - the only 'true' Britons' are the Celts anyway, the rest of us are descended from immigrants, from Denmark, Italy, Francer, Germany etc. etc. British people are a mixed race by their natere!
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Well that isnt actually true from a recent genetic study. But yes I am a celt.
The fact is all these immigrants dont contribute to UK at all. Unless drugs and violence is a contribution? Brits didnt want them here only a mistaken goverment. Recent thinktank even concluded these incomers have destroyed the social fabric of the UK. So yes I am a brit and no I dont want them here. And Bob Marley is not a god lol
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I'm not not mixed race, thats insulting. what did these people expect coming here and not intergrating. I really dont understand why they wanted us out of such countrys and then they expect a welcome. My father was in the war and says they were the most lazy people. A voice echoed by modern army officers. These do gooders need to realise we dont like these people or want them.
Slum Dog Millionaire was directed by Danny Boyle, was one of the top movies of last year - a joint Anglo-Indian venture and a very good film. Not really rubbish.
Babylon is a fantastic British movie about Jamaican/British culture - try watching it you might learn something, there's a few of your sort in there too, you might feel at home.
Danny Boyle is anti British though. If you think otherwise, just watch his 28 Days Later movie. An Irishman and a black woman essentially killing as many stereotypical and vulgarly portrayed 'British' as they can. Even the Brits on their side get mangled.
@Britmovies You'll never understand that you're the biggest show up/embarrassment of 'you're people', to think that you actually undermined the hundreds of years of your culture by impressing on people that it is the equivalent of petty 'race' jabs on youchoob. I pity you. You're the same peasant that would have been taken for a ride by the Aristocrats in the old South. You think that a single monarch from your history that you use to boast, would value a 'good negro slave' under you? lol
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I think britmovie was right these people have no place here. All the decendants of these people put the children into a future of rightly deserved abuse.
Lazy, okay, but neither you or Britmovies has the courage to put a video of yourself on your channels. Your channel is blank because you and your friends are cowards. If you and Britmovies are supposed to be how the British 'really feel' then I feel sorry for the island. I truly hope that all the immigrants who look after your grandparents, sweep your streets and do all the jobs no one else wants to do will leave one day.
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So do I. As for my grandparent i look after them to avoid immigrants abusing them. Why would I want to put a video. A comment is just as good. So your not British...another scrounger.
Call me back when you have picture of yourself to back your opinions, otherwise I'm done communicating with. The rich will get richer while the common worry about immigrants.
@Britmovies I rest my case! You are obviously just an ignorant Nazi - as your deleted post about voting BNP suggested. 'Your' people? Who are they then? I'm a Londoner. My people are called humans, they're all a bit different from each other and they live and work together to try to make the world a better place. There are obviously problems too. Many people do bad and horrible things no matter what colour their skin is. White people do dreadful things - I've never seen a black paedophile!
@Britmovies is it just me or are other people surprised that all this racist bile comes from someone who apparently runs a major forum for the discussion of British cinema (check his channel for details)?
@rosieh101 I just checked his site and you're correct - 'Return To Yesterday' just about sums it up really! Britmovies is a disgrace to the British - a noble and progressive race of people who fought wars to achieve freedom and equality for all - regardless of race, creed, or colour. My grandfather would turn in his grave to know these abhorrent views existed in the 21st Century! Shame on you Britmovies!!!!
Winston chrchill fought for british people not Commonwealth. Your grandad joined the army probably because they told him to. At best not for jamaica. I come from a millitary family and I can tell you this was not why the army took on germany. all to do with power.
My grandfather was in the Merchant Navy actually. He brought me up to respect people of all nations, as he had learned through his experience. Germany was 'taken on' because Hitler was trying to conquer the world with his psychopathic notions of racial superiority. The 'commonwealth' - along with the USSR and the USA were united and together they beat him. United we stand, devided we fall. That's the lesson of history John! Churchill's motto? "We will never surrender!" - to racists and bigots!
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Well so there you are. Your grandad shipped while mine was fighting. Wrong germany was taken on as Hitler threatned british interests and a pack with poland. Half the commonwealth didnt know what day it was but joined for cash and food as they couldnt provide themselves. So where did Churchill say,"We will never surrender!" - to racists and bigots! Well he didnt. He killed African and Indians for the sake of Britain and his glory. Churchill would have booted them out.
You are a blinkered fool John. Send them back? Is that your answer? Where are you going to 'send them back' to? Are you going to uproot three generations of born and bred British people and send them to somewhere they never came from? Are you proposing that all foreign descendants of the British in colonised nations should be sent back to live here in 'Britain'? You have no choice mate. The world is mixed now. Just get used to it and stop being so bitter and twisted - sad old man.
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And your so called mixing is how wars start. But the truth is in a recent goverment survey people are not mixing.asians, blacks, whites. A few mix but thats it. hence race riots and a huge swing for the BNP I dont have to get used to it but you lot must expect the results.
You are one sad misguided little fool Britmovies! If you opened your eyes and your heart you would see a beautiful world where the colour of a mans skin is of no relevance. Your world must be very miserable. I feel very sorry for you. Racism is a pox on humanity, and I hope you find a cure before you eat yourself with hatred.
Excellent information film, seems all perfectly harmonious, dutiful, and culturally respectful.
My folks might even recognise some of their countrymen in it if they ever saw this film ;)
Still, I wonder if my parents would have suffered less savage racial discrimination if they were a bit older and had they come over to help in WWII rather than the huge and largely unrecognised effort they still made to get bombed-out England back on its feet just a few years after the war.
They probably worked harder than you ever did - and had to put up with small minded idiots like you in the process. See my comment above - it still stands - I notice you've removed your previous racist remarks. Thanks at least for that!
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If they were so hard working why did they have to come here from a poverty stricken under developed country. truth is they dont work harder than Brits. look at the unemployment statistics for the race %. It shows they were very lazy. As for working harder than me. very doubtful as I am fanatical in my work. They never served Britain but themselves in the war. It is an insult to my family who did die for Britain the home. Were these people so naive as to expect a welcome?
Africans were taken as slaves and suffered centuries of degradation and oppression building the system we enjoy so much today. When will you bigotted people learn the lessons of history. They have as much right to be in this country as white people have to be in any country they have colonised - think the USA, Canada, Australia, South Africa, india and so on. As I said, you're the one who's missing out on the wondeful diversity of life. If it was left to youy Hitler would have won the war!
@Britmovies@Britmovies My grandfather was a Jamaican who joined the RAF during the second world war and remained in this country until he died in the early nineties, during this time he was never unemployed and never claimed benefits.
This is so hip
kingoliver45 2 months ago
my dads family if from the west indies i think :D
TenshiTamagoKidd15 4 months ago
Thank you for you're civil reply, I see what you were detting at now People from Africa the West indies, and the Indian sub continent, have largely been forgotten, even by the British themselves. Films like these should be shown on TV more. I would also like to say that despite some of the comments you may find on youtube, we also hold the Americans who fought in both wars in high regard too, don't listen too the you tube haters. Respect!
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34airflow 5 months ago
@okaaaiiiden Or the other way round ?????
MrCagivaman 8 months ago
An inspiring look back. Have people given up nowadays? A very positive film.
smikestack 9 months ago
@okaaaiiiden Didnt happen much for a long long time. Theres a lot of `propaganda` in this movie!
chanctonbury63 11 months ago
I adore the way colonial west indians spoke, it so old fashioned.
dbastard1977 11 months ago
Thanks for posting
RememberToday4ever 1 year ago
I'm really proud of what my Country men did and what they endured - but I would never, ever fight in any whites man army nor in any white mans war, period.
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@Paulwander Check out the story of Basil Rodgers, a black British conscientious objector who was born in Devon, in Stephen Bourne's new book MOTHER COUNTRY - BRITAIN'S BLACK COMMUNITY ON THE HOME FRONT 1939-45 (The History Press).
TheLizzie12 1 year ago
@Paulwander Of course Hitler would have stopped after he had defeated the whites. Anyway, it was not a war about colour but values. You obviously have neither.
MrCagivaman 8 months ago
Interesting that the "EVIL IMPERIALISITC EMPIRE" of Britain promoted full integration and inclusion from all parts of the globe whilst at the same time, daughter ally (the land of the free) was implementing a policy of segregation and exclusion on this same Island of Britain with her personnel.
The only thing that is missing is full and proper history lessons in SCHOOLS. forget divali - show the VALUE - it is an indictment that places like You Tube and Wickipaedia are the reference points.
Fizzypop1211 1 year ago 2
The baby at 5:53 has a parting!!
Fizzypop1211 1 year ago
@santoshiful
idiot
it's called the British tea because the British "made it famous" - they took China tea to India, adopted tea as the National drink and spread it around the globe,
Its nothing to do with who grew it, farmed it, transported it.
But by "sponsoring" the national drink, they ensured plenty of employment.
I am drinking it, It's not fiction, it's right here.
Fizzypop1211 1 year ago
We purchased, a few years back, a different version of this film ("Hello, West Indies!") from the U.K.'s Imperial War Museum in which my Dad had a speaking part. In this version he is shown in a couple of cameos. Thanks for posting this!
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wyreddouble2 1 year ago
I very much enjoyed this film of West Indies, since I myself am from there and my family too. It brings back so many good memories and makes me think of how harder it was back then with not so many conveniences, so it inspires one to keep moving on. It also made me a tad sentimental. Thanks very much!
MsGial 1 year ago
I enjoyed this video especially since it featured Mr Carlton Fairweather whom i know personaly, a true gentleman and loyal freind.
dariusmartinez1 1 year ago
@santoshiful Thank you, it's nice to know that some one else is enilghtend, it should be taught in schools.
KevinJKtheman 1 year ago
@santoshiful Well said, glad I'm not the only one to realise that.
KevinJKtheman 1 year ago
An excellent film
CammieGee 1 year ago
@santoshiful True, very true. People like lausanne67 conveniently ignore the fact that it is British exploitation of the other parts of the world why non-white ethnic groups still migrate to the UK. Britain's chicks are just coming home to roost.
CammieGee 1 year ago
Really enjoyed this video thank you so much for posting this.
manweller1 1 year ago
why the hell the people voices were disguised please its time for the real stuff please post the real thing no one will worry thank u
TheMissAtittude 1 year ago
Any more classic footage of West Indians on youtube?
lcchill 1 year ago
To me, to regret this is not "racist", but simply a preference for one type of society rather than another. I personally think it has been detrimental to Britain to move from a country with a common, shared culture, ethnicity and language to one splintered and fractured into innumerable races, ethnicities and cultures, with often incompatible values and beliefs. The intolerance of those who scream "racist" at anyone who dissents from conventional acceptance of multiculturalism is frightening.
lausanne67 1 year ago
A reminder of the disastrous consequences of the war for Britain and western Europe generally. It bankrupted us, putting us in debt to the Americans, who proceeded to dominate western Europe economically and (perhaps more importantly) culturally. Vitally, the death of so many British men in the war led to the govt-sponsored importation of non-white labour from 1948. Conceived as a temporary measure, it never ended and has transformed Britain utterly.
lausanne67 1 year ago
how will they spot us? hahaha
SyrupJones 1 year ago
What a fantastic film. Should be required viewing !
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TheLizzie12 1 year ago
If only West "Indians" of African descent had been as well represented in reality as they were in this video.
34airflow 1 year ago
@34airflow What do dyou mean "if only", West Indians did serve the mother country, just like this video says, my Father and Uncles served in the war, my Father was in the royal air force, my uncles were in the Army,Royal and merchant Navies respecively and they spoke of West Indians, Africans, Indians, that they met in the services. As an American, just what would you know about who served in the British armed forces during WWII ?
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Gosh, i had to scroll back to find what I'd said. I certainly know, even as an American ;-), that people from all over the Commonwealth fought for freedom. I believe that I was trying to say that I don't believe people from the colonies were normally given as much respect by the British government as the soldiers in this film were. Do you see what I mean? I didn't say that Trinidadians, Indians, Jamaicans, etc., didn't fight in the war. I'm thankful they did!
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@KevinJKtheman Gosh, i had to scroll back to find what I'd said. It is absolutely true that people from all over the Commonwealth fought for freedom. What I was trying to say is that I don't believe people from the colonies were normally given as much respect by the British government as the soldiers in this film were. Do you see what I mean? I didn't say that Trinidadians, Indians, Jamaicans, etc., didn't fight in the war. I'm very thankful they did!
34airflow 5 months ago
Brave and loyal to the motherland their children and grandchildren are welcome here.
southafricandominion 1 year ago
Great vid... pity the experience was ruined by the mindless pratter taking place about it. I refer to both the inance comments of Britmovies and londonborngirl... and the encouragement given their insipidity by the responses of MrDubmaster. I understand the impulse to respond... but the running dialogue only further feeds the cranialrectitis of hate-spewing lowlifes.
aikibro1 2 years ago 3
Aikibro 1, I'm sorry if you feel I've encouraged these idiots, but I've always been of the opinion that fascists need to be confronted and exposed for what they are. Usually cowards who would never speak like this without the anonimity of the internet to hide behind. I will always confront them wherever they spread their filth.
MrDubmaster 1 year ago
@MrDubmaster I don't criticize you for responding... but after one or two I personally would have moved on and not give them the platform they obviously seek.
aikibro1 1 year ago
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superduperfeline 2 years ago
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BFIfilms 2 years ago 15
Thank you for intervening BFI, but I must disagree with your decision. We live in a culture of free speech, and to censor these people just hides their true beliefs. I think it is important that people should be allowed to see these disgusting comments so that they realise exactly what the BNP and it's supporters really stand for. These racist and ignorant people need to be exposed, especially with the BNP's attempts to portray themselves as a respectable party - which they blatantly are not!
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
@MrDubmaster what do the abbreviations stand for?
nikknikk19 1 year ago
My dad was black and so am I.
Perhaps you'vee not been exposed to positive black role models. There is good and bad in all races.
I don't agree with your comment as you can't speak for everyone. You can only speak for yourself. If I were there, I would invite you for a meal so I could better understand your hatred. It is my sincere hope that your attititude will change in the near future. Take care for now. Kathy
kathylvorg 2 years ago
I'm from Canada and my dad was a West Indian WWII veteran who volunteered to fight for Canada. He was an officer and a gentleman. After the war he obtained his Master's from McGill University and became a diplomat. He received many honours and awards in post war life. He led by example, In 2002 received the Queen's medal, awarded to Canadians who made a significant contribution to their fellow citizens, their community or to Canada over the previous fifty years. Please keep conversations civil.
kathylvorg 2 years ago 10
Nice to see a comment from someone with true experience of the subject matter Kathy. But please don't expect any kind of civil conversations from these sick fascists. Respect to you and your family. Thank you.
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
@Britmovies "doh shot down again". - sounds like a playground jibe to me. You have not stated any facts at all, just assumptions and opinions. That is why I'm finishing this debate with you. You are a bigot with Nazi philosophies, and no reasoning will change that. I reiterate my point one last time: There are good and bad in all races. The colour of a mans skin is of no importance. Racism is a disease of the human mind. We must learn to live together. Peace and love. That's my final word!
MrDubmaster 2 years ago 3
@Britmovies I bet you have the nerve to call yourself a Christian too. Well Jesus Christ defended the downtrodden and oppressed - he died in the name of it. Your views are utterly abbhorrent. As has been said by someone else on this thread, you should learn your history! You probably think Morris Dancing is a great white British tradition - it was taken from 'Moorish Dancing' brought to this country by sailors who were copying the dances of the Africans. You really have so much to learn you fool
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
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Jesus Christ by modern day thought was probably involved in the resistance against the roman invasion. ie he wanted the immigrants out. My views were also welcomed by a thread member! I think you show how foolish you are.
Sailors may have brought morris dancing but not the Moors with them. Who under islam violently attacted the white west, showing the babaric nature of these people.
Britmovies 2 years ago
@Britmovies er...I think it was the Crusaders who did the muredering in the wars to gain control of the Holy Land - again you need to brush up on your history.
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
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lol and the Arabs had not been murdering. You know nothing. The moors were allowed to live in peace in Spain untill they tried to push for power and land. Islam actually means Submitt not peace. Now unless you read dont spout facts you have seen on TV. So you think morris dancing is a contribution to the west? Wow are we not luck...blacks must be so proud.
Britmovies 2 years ago
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Actually your wrong again...the name and black faces may have come from the moors but it seems the dancing goes way back. So they never even contributed this lol
Britmovies 2 years ago
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You see the are many types called Morris with black faces but also...molly, north west clog, boarder etc and i rarely see a black face....doh shot down again.
Britmovies 2 years ago
@Britmovies I grow tired of this pointless argument now. If you must resort to playground jibes it truly illustrates the level of your intellect. I suggest you try getting out more and meeting some real black people - not criminals or gangsters - real people. When you have met them and been invited into their company, experienced their generous hospitality and been honoured with their warmth and charm, then come back and talk about it. Until then I have no more to say to you on the subject. Bye!
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
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looking at the thread the were no jibes and you never supplied any facts references just blind claims. your going because the argument was a white win. do not feel bad. it has always been this way and will be. if man started in africa and spread, the oldest and most developed must be at the extremes. me!
Britmovies 2 years ago
@Britmovies it's "you're", not "your" in this instance, a mistake that you make in a number of your posts. Funny how racists can't spell.
twyborn29 2 years ago 4
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But he doesnt rape or take drugs lol
Londonborngirl 2 years ago
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muredering and thats from a black guy.
Londonborngirl 2 years ago
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lol well done britmovie another white victory. This guy proves the point blacks can not debate, they havent the intelect. Well done I agree with all you said. Blacks rape and do drugs. If it wasnt for white law they would be in a mess like black countries.
Londonborngirl 2 years ago
So Londonborngirl, I'm black am I? well that shows how shallow you are. I am a born and bred white Londoner. My great-great grandfather came from Scotland to work on the construction of Tower Bridge, My Grandmother was Welsh and my family have always been Londoners. My family survived the blitz in East London in the war against the Nazi's who held views just like yours and John "Britmovies". I am British, and the values I've always held dear are British values of decency and respect for others!
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
@MrDubmaster Last summer I went to Disney World w/ my nieces and we met this British family and they seemed nice. Then out of no where they started talking about Africans in England. They were saying something about how they are a "problem" and dirty.
nikknikk19 1 year ago
@MrDubmaster Even referred to them as breeders. i was lost being black and of African Decent I don't understand why they would have this conversation w/ me. I just played dumb and changed the subject not wanting to cause a scene since the children were eating and playing together.
nikknikk19 1 year ago
@MrDubmaster It really made it me upset though, but it was so awkward I never really gave them a chance to explain themselves. Can you give me any insight on why British people dislike Africans. Is it racism or something else?
nikknikk19 1 year ago
Hi Nikknikk. I'm so sorry to hear about your negative experience. In my view racism is pure ignorance. It is shameful and unacceptable in this day and age that people still hold such views. If only they could take the time to get to know some poeple of African descent they would change their minds. In the meantime, all we can do is try to educate and forgive them their ignorance - they know not what they do. Peace, love and respect to you.
MrDubmaster 1 year ago
@MrDubmaster thanks!!!!! ; )
nikknikk19 1 year ago
I think the problem you people have is that you only see the world in black and white - just like Britmovies archaic old films. Just like black and white TV. If you opened your eyes a bit wider you would see that the world is actually in colour - all the colours of the rainbow, and very beautiful it is too. If you want to stay wrapped up in your little black and white world it is only yourselves whoare missing out on the good things in life. I really can't waste any more time on this debate!!!
MrDubmaster 2 years ago 4
@Britmovies the BNP are not 'doing well' as you say. They are a marginalised minority party, and the only reason they're getting any votes from the white working classes is because of the betrayal by the 'Labour' government. You are a sick person John. Skin colour is irrelevant, more white people from Eastern Europe have immigrated tyo this country than blacks in recent years. Are you OK with that? Black people have made an enormous contribution to Britain over the years.
MrDubmaster 2 years ago 2
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O come on lol dispite the best efforts of the media and goverment they got 3 million votes, two euro MP's! The increased the vote by an amazing % while Labour lost voters. What have black people contributed. Drugs, riots and more. The goverment think tank even agrees mass imigration has screwed up Britain. They have been no use and never will. Skin culture is important as its identity. Thats why 3rd gen Jamaicans refer to it as the mother country while I do not.
Britmovies 2 years ago
@Britmovies all the drug dealers I know are white! Cocaine and Heroin are the worst drugs of all, and they are pretty much imported, sold, and taken by mostly white people. There hasn't been a 'race' riot in this country since the 1950s - not to say that there haven't been riots. Rape and muggings are a very mixed bag - committed by black and white people in similar numbers, and as I said before, I've never seen a black peodophile. Most sicko serial killers are white! Your figures don't add up!
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
So what happened to the thousands of Irish men and other Britons that were sent to the West Indies and Americas to work? You're now trying to tell me that the same Britain with it's workhouses run by child labour, and the Britain that is half owned by Norman invaders was 100 years ago giving welfare checks out to its citizens. How about the millions of working class people who's families for hundreds of years have been at the very bottom of British society? Again, you're noting more than a pawn.
Sorrytodisappointyou 2 years ago
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Firstly the actuall Norman invaders were few but powerful.
"nd work houses were in fact a charity and without such people would have died like africa etc.
Workhouses were not run by child labour, adult ones used the adult inmates. Even the lowest British man had choices. But a slave was just that. He was not given a choice but forced to slavery. And proud we are, no tears, no regrets....do the same again. Channel 4 aired a show showing these may not even be the same as us like dog breeds.
Britmovies 2 years ago
I've seen Oliver Twist! lol
Ah, well the blood of the Elizabethan 'Blackamoors' etc. runs steadily through Britishers anyway (where do you think they all went?) as well as most Europeans as demonstrated by the same Channel 4 you quoted. For more information look for '100% English'. There were more Africans in London in the 1600s than there were in 1960. Maybe you will regret slaver when you do a DNA test, lol!
Sorrytodisappointyou 2 years ago
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Well no thats not really true is it.More blacks in London in the 1600's than 60's. It seems now you have to lie to defend them. No wounder the BNP are doing so well. Not exactly a hive of knowledge. As I do produce a source for your facts...or are they just black lies lol
Britmovies 2 years ago
Well you can go and look at QEII's statement's she made when she got desperate at the end of her life and threatened to deport the thousands of blacks or 'blackamoors' in the country (kind of embarrassing that you don't know about this seeing as you're the 'Briton by blood'), or you could continue on your fantasy that your history of Empire or mass deportation of immigrants would make you any happier in your life. By the way I see you didn't comment on the DNA test. LOL!
Sorrytodisappointyou 2 years ago 2
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Actuall I have had a DNA test for the family tree and know who I am.
The statment you refer to does not talk of 1000's of blacks in London but rathe Liz's anger that any blacks should be here, reflecting the publics view. The was roman slaves here who were black but the difference is that they never came for benefits and they blended in. Those today want to be Jamaican etc in Britiain and so they should expect a hard time.
Britmovies 2 years ago
Man, education is power!
Sorrytodisappointyou 2 years ago
You cannot be proud of slavery because it was not originally intended to subjugate anybody, that came after when the rich whites wised up and started using the illiterate white masses. Africans were taken to work because they were stronger than the British indentured servants in the Americas, who died over work an African could do for his/her whole life. The only people who can be proud are 'crats who ruled both the sheepish European and the African slave. Were your ancestors Aristocrats?
Sorrytodisappointyou 2 years ago
Slavery was started by Arabs, who stole Africans into slavery. European traders bought into the slave trade, and the West Indies was the plantation that supplied America wuith Slaves and Europe with other resources. Britain was the first country to abolish slavery, and realise that it was a crime against humanity. Britain was deeply ashamed of it's role in slavery. You are proud of slavery? You are not British! You are an imposter! I pity your kids! Britmovies? Sh*tmovies more like!
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
Lol one thing you can not lie about I am a genetic britain. Africans were also into slavery. Who do you think helped the whites get the slaves. Britiain abolished it due to changing times. The average person doesnt care about the slave history. The goverment pay lip service while most dont care. Just started a forum thread about black contribution to british movies. Like everything else....the isnt anything.
Britmovies 2 years ago
Genetic maybe, but that doesn't make you a part of what Britain actually is - the only 'true' Britons' are the Celts anyway, the rest of us are descended from immigrants, from Denmark, Italy, Francer, Germany etc. etc. British people are a mixed race by their natere!
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
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Well that isnt actually true from a recent genetic study. But yes I am a celt.
The fact is all these immigrants dont contribute to UK at all. Unless drugs and violence is a contribution? Brits didnt want them here only a mistaken goverment. Recent thinktank even concluded these incomers have destroyed the social fabric of the UK. So yes I am a brit and no I dont want them here. And Bob Marley is not a god lol
Britmovies 2 years ago
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I'm not not mixed race, thats insulting. what did these people expect coming here and not intergrating. I really dont understand why they wanted us out of such countrys and then they expect a welcome. My father was in the war and says they were the most lazy people. A voice echoed by modern army officers. These do gooders need to realise we dont like these people or want them.
Londonborngirl 2 years ago
Slum Dog Millionaire was directed by Danny Boyle, was one of the top movies of last year - a joint Anglo-Indian venture and a very good film. Not really rubbish.
Babylon is a fantastic British movie about Jamaican/British culture - try watching it you might learn something, there's a few of your sort in there too, you might feel at home.
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
Danny Boyle is anti British though. If you think otherwise, just watch his 28 Days Later movie. An Irishman and a black woman essentially killing as many stereotypical and vulgarly portrayed 'British' as they can. Even the Brits on their side get mangled.
maxdamagus 2 years ago
@Britmovies You'll never understand that you're the biggest show up/embarrassment of 'you're people', to think that you actually undermined the hundreds of years of your culture by impressing on people that it is the equivalent of petty 'race' jabs on youchoob. I pity you. You're the same peasant that would have been taken for a ride by the Aristocrats in the old South. You think that a single monarch from your history that you use to boast, would value a 'good negro slave' under you? lol
Sorrytodisappointyou 2 years ago
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I think britmovie was right these people have no place here. All the decendants of these people put the children into a future of rightly deserved abuse.
Londonborngirl 2 years ago
Lazy, okay, but neither you or Britmovies has the courage to put a video of yourself on your channels. Your channel is blank because you and your friends are cowards. If you and Britmovies are supposed to be how the British 'really feel' then I feel sorry for the island. I truly hope that all the immigrants who look after your grandparents, sweep your streets and do all the jobs no one else wants to do will leave one day.
Sorrytodisappointyou 2 years ago
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So do I. As for my grandparent i look after them to avoid immigrants abusing them. Why would I want to put a video. A comment is just as good. So your not British...another scrounger.
Londonborngirl 2 years ago
Call me back when you have picture of yourself to back your opinions, otherwise I'm done communicating with. The rich will get richer while the common worry about immigrants.
Sorrytodisappointyou 2 years ago
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No one wants niggers here.
Londonborngirl 2 years ago
@Britmovies I rest my case! You are obviously just an ignorant Nazi - as your deleted post about voting BNP suggested. 'Your' people? Who are they then? I'm a Londoner. My people are called humans, they're all a bit different from each other and they live and work together to try to make the world a better place. There are obviously problems too. Many people do bad and horrible things no matter what colour their skin is. White people do dreadful things - I've never seen a black paedophile!
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
@Britmovies is it just me or are other people surprised that all this racist bile comes from someone who apparently runs a major forum for the discussion of British cinema (check his channel for details)?
rosieh101 2 years ago 5
@rosieh101 I just checked his site and you're correct - 'Return To Yesterday' just about sums it up really! Britmovies is a disgrace to the British - a noble and progressive race of people who fought wars to achieve freedom and equality for all - regardless of race, creed, or colour. My grandfather would turn in his grave to know these abhorrent views existed in the 21st Century! Shame on you Britmovies!!!!
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
Winston chrchill fought for british people not Commonwealth. Your grandad joined the army probably because they told him to. At best not for jamaica. I come from a millitary family and I can tell you this was not why the army took on germany. all to do with power.
Britmovies 2 years ago
My grandfather was in the Merchant Navy actually. He brought me up to respect people of all nations, as he had learned through his experience. Germany was 'taken on' because Hitler was trying to conquer the world with his psychopathic notions of racial superiority. The 'commonwealth' - along with the USSR and the USA were united and together they beat him. United we stand, devided we fall. That's the lesson of history John! Churchill's motto? "We will never surrender!" - to racists and bigots!
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
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Well so there you are. Your grandad shipped while mine was fighting. Wrong germany was taken on as Hitler threatned british interests and a pack with poland. Half the commonwealth didnt know what day it was but joined for cash and food as they couldnt provide themselves. So where did Churchill say,"We will never surrender!" - to racists and bigots! Well he didnt. He killed African and Indians for the sake of Britain and his glory. Churchill would have booted them out.
Britmovies 2 years ago
You are a blinkered fool John. Send them back? Is that your answer? Where are you going to 'send them back' to? Are you going to uproot three generations of born and bred British people and send them to somewhere they never came from? Are you proposing that all foreign descendants of the British in colonised nations should be sent back to live here in 'Britain'? You have no choice mate. The world is mixed now. Just get used to it and stop being so bitter and twisted - sad old man.
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
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And your so called mixing is how wars start. But the truth is in a recent goverment survey people are not mixing.asians, blacks, whites. A few mix but thats it. hence race riots and a huge swing for the BNP I dont have to get used to it but you lot must expect the results.
Britmovies 2 years ago
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Its you britmovie says it as Brits feel.
Londonborngirl 2 years ago
Thank You!
Bunfire123 2 years ago
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Typical BFI turn anything British into a black promo. No wounder we all vote BNP
Britmovies 2 years ago
You are one sad misguided little fool Britmovies! If you opened your eyes and your heart you would see a beautiful world where the colour of a mans skin is of no relevance. Your world must be very miserable. I feel very sorry for you. Racism is a pox on humanity, and I hope you find a cure before you eat yourself with hatred.
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
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NEOVIS1174 2 years ago
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NEOVIS1174 2 years ago
Excellent information film, seems all perfectly harmonious, dutiful, and culturally respectful.
My folks might even recognise some of their countrymen in it if they ever saw this film ;)
Still, I wonder if my parents would have suffered less savage racial discrimination if they were a bit older and had they come over to help in WWII rather than the huge and largely unrecognised effort they still made to get bombed-out England back on its feet just a few years after the war.
Threeload 2 years ago 9
Yes, thank you!
drum3433 2 years ago
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After doing the job why didnt they go home....benefits.
Britmovies 2 years ago
They probably worked harder than you ever did - and had to put up with small minded idiots like you in the process. See my comment above - it still stands - I notice you've removed your previous racist remarks. Thanks at least for that!
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
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If they were so hard working why did they have to come here from a poverty stricken under developed country. truth is they dont work harder than Brits. look at the unemployment statistics for the race %. It shows they were very lazy. As for working harder than me. very doubtful as I am fanatical in my work. They never served Britain but themselves in the war. It is an insult to my family who did die for Britain the home. Were these people so naive as to expect a welcome?
Britmovies 2 years ago
Africans were taken as slaves and suffered centuries of degradation and oppression building the system we enjoy so much today. When will you bigotted people learn the lessons of history. They have as much right to be in this country as white people have to be in any country they have colonised - think the USA, Canada, Australia, South Africa, india and so on. As I said, you're the one who's missing out on the wondeful diversity of life. If it was left to youy Hitler would have won the war!
MrDubmaster 2 years ago
@Britmovies @Britmovies My grandfather was a Jamaican who joined the RAF during the second world war and remained in this country until he died in the early nineties, during this time he was never unemployed and never claimed benefits.
junkyfixes 1 year ago
Thanks for this
minutegongcoughs 2 years ago