Emily, the girl who revolutionised the youtube community, now THAT's some pedestal to be put on ;) anyway, I totally agree, I try to see the people that make youtube video's as much as normal people as I can. I do think however that not only the community is divided into two groups, but just humanity in general, I would LOVE to make video's and I think it'd be something I'd be pretty good at, but I jsut cannot bring myself to actually do it. Sometimes it just looks like a huge step to take
I am usually not afraid to talk to vloggers, but ''big'' vloggers just don't respond, even when I ask a simple question or have an easy request. I am an active commenter. I almost never watch a video without commenting, especially when it's a vlogger. I vlog once in a while and I know how encouraging it is to get comments.
Also, something different - I want to buy a camera for my video's, anyone has a recommendation for me? I have no idea.
You have entirely taken my words out of my mouth. This is exactly how I felt after the Nerdfighter gathering this year. Thank you for beating me to the punch.
me and a few (mates/youtubers/watchers) are making a channel about a topic every other weekend (thursday, friday, saturday, sunday) i will pitch this idea to be a topic, because i believe your definitely on to something :)
I would be afraid to make videos with my face in it coz I keep thinking about people seeing you on the internet and then kidnapping your or something. So... I think I'll just stick to animation and music for now.
This is a wonderful video. I love how you are so grounded, this is the concept YouTube was made wonderful by. The idea that we are just normal people making content. And thanks for giving the solution, not just complaining. That's the only way we can shape our community to be what we want
While we're talking about the youtube community, another reason it's falling apart is because some makers start making videos just for the sake of getting money. With the partnership program, it's possible to make money, but it shouldn't be the only reason you make videos. Just a perk of what happens when you put yourself out there to the commununity. A friend of mine does this and I've been trying to dissuade him from making videos just for the sake of profit, and try to make them for pleasu
This is so true, I feel like I'm strictly a "watcher" and rarely comment on anything because most of the time I'm okay with just observing the youtube community instead of participating in it. Maybe that should change.
I just happened to stumble across this video, but I just have to say that you are so right! I think I have actually felt this, but never managed to put it into words. It is why I think I try to find smaller YouTubers as they are more likely to read the comments and hopefully respond, which I want to start a conversation from.
I also try to do this on my videos by responding to every comments (even if it's just 'haha this was funny'). Not really worked, but glad I'm not the only one :P
came here through ali, met him in SITC, and i think your video is very right, i noticed this alot during SITC and i noticed that people were nervous around the 'makers' and to me it felt like some 'makers' were trying to distance themselves from their 'watchers' it was a real eye-opener to the youtube community as it is now.
I, unfortunately, fangirl quite often. I get nervous meeting new people and when it is people that I have never meet, but have watched...Well lets just say that I'm an idiot. I would love for the bridge to be gaped. Youtubers are just people.
I would absolutely ADORE to make videos, as responses or even just one for fun. Unfortunately I don't think my parents would quite approve of it. I'm still a teenager, and I'm in a small house, so there's no place my parents WOULDN'T hear me talking to a camera. I do enjoy commenting time to time, but...YouTubers who have the freedom & chance to make videos, TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY! Be part of the community any way you can! (Sorry, didn't mean it to sound like a "pity me" comment, just my thoughts)
This actually is why I haven't made a video yet. Oddly enough I didn't want to become someone attempting to be "fangirl" or whathaveyou. I started commenting recently, trying to spark those conversations which you mentioned. Perhaps trying to start little ripples and see what came of it. Who knows, perhaps I will make the time and effort to see if making a video effects the conversation, but for now I enjoy the conversations makers create within my own mind, and my own life; I watch.
I love how this video has a lot of comments from well-known "makers." It sort of shows support for the point Emily made in the video about breaking down the wall people build between "watchers" and "makers."
I've been watching people on Youtube since 2008 and I still get nervous about posting my comments sometimes! But you just inspired me to start making videos. I will take your advice and maybe make a video response or two. I don't know when but sometime soon!
i realy agree with what you've said i even find myself going into that sterotypical fan-girl. I've realised that i want to contribute to youtube, ive already made one video but seeing this makes me want to apsire to do more, and not to worry about the outcomes of it.
thank you for this video. I actively make videos, and watch and comment on tons of youtubers, and I love the community that I watch in a lot of those videos. However, I often feel like someone on the outside looking in, wishing that they could be a more active member of the youtube community. I have trouble making friends in real life, and I feel like I have the same issues on youtube as well. I wish there were more ways to solidify the community! Let's make it happen!
This is the video that inspired me not only to subscribe to you (woohoo!) but also to get out of my shell and to go out and not only continue to make my own videos, but to try and talk to other people and make friends with them and toe that line between watcher and maker. Thank you. (:
i also like to add that even though you and TheFourOfClubs both have the same motive, i like the way you approached it a lot better. She approached it in a way that had way too much emotion and she wanted to change this as well but she went about it in a way that would bash on ppl who are fans of anything.
So I'm listening to this very interesting video and this is what is going on in my head. [YOU HAVE A FRENCH TEXTBOOK BEHIND YOU! OMG SHE MIGHT HAVE TAKEN FRENCH AND THAT WOULD BE COOL AND I"M MISSING THE POINT OF THIS VIDEO AND ITS A FRENCH BOOK!]
So true! I've always been one of those "watchers" and I've wanted to start making my own content but have always found excuses not to. This might be the extra push I needed. :)
I have been loading music vids for a year. I just recently have been featured on Youtube Stars and I have noticed a shift in attitude of my fans and watchers toward me. They seem to be nervous and hesitate to leave comments. Like they are seeing me on a higher level or something! But, I am still just me loving making videos and sharing music! Vicki Owens
You are completely right. There is so much distance between YouTube 'makers' & 'watchers'. It's a little creepy that it's turning into Second Hollywood or something! And to be honest, part of it is because they make us feel that way by their actions! I mean, they don't usually replay to their videos watchers, acting all VIP and stuff so it kinda turned that way! Your plan is amazing, everyone should interact more, even in comments, so this all Youtube-watcher-fan-girling thing goes away!
Thanks Emily for the advice. I agree, I feel intimidated by the fact that all the big youtubers seem to be in some sort of club and it's good to remember that we are all people and we shouldn't put people on a pedestall. :-)
Hope i can help the community and make it a better experience for starter youtubers thanks Emily for the true facts and hope you liked the video i did to try and help with other ways in being nice to other fellow youtubers. =D
Emily, this was awesome! I just started posting vids about a week ago, and I've seen SO MANY videos lately talking about this subject. Having been a watcher for so long, and now trying to jump into making videos, I think I can do something about breaking down the barrier. I started posting vids to make connections with people, and I think I can be a change in the community.
You completely verbalized everything I have been thinking about lately. Thank you. I have always always resented being referred to as a 'fangirl' for enjoying certain youtubers content. It seems like everyone is now trying to resist liking the 'all star' makers because they feel that the lesser known youtubers need their chance to shine. I don't think that is the correct mentality. As it separates the makers, into even more polarized categories, and isolates our community even more.
This video has really encouraged me to comment more often and even start making videos, i think that this video has already started to make a difference!
wow, you're absolutely right about the whole makers and watchers thing. I, myself, have been strictly a watcher, but I've always wanted to put content out there. It's just I'm afraid of what others will think of me, and since I'm not too popular in real life, it's hard for me to be brave and put myself out there. but because of your video, I think I will start with some comments and video responses. thanks so much!
I understand what you mean about the problem. I think the difficulty is just partly created by the nature of YouTube itself. It creates a world where you can "know" a person when they don't even know you exist and a world where you have 293 comments on a video and you can't possibly respond to them all so there will always be people who comment and get no response. It's impossible to build a community without interaction but it's also almost impossible to truly interact with that many people.
You're kind of awesome o.o and yeah like other people have said I haven't really thought about that before. I mean I try and talk to people on youtube as I would if I were talking to them like they're my friends, because even though they have no idea who I am XD they feel like they're my friends.
Came here by way of Andy's video. You're absolutely right about makers and watchers. I just started making videos after watching for a very long time, and it still seems strange to meet some "famous" you tube folks. I stammered like an idiot when I met Michael Buckley, and I'm not even a fan, really. I just like hearing different opinions and voices.
Unrelated question: What make of uke is that? Thanks!
Wow this was all really well said. First video of yours I've seen :P
Most important quote from here is "Don't be afraid to be yourself." Means a lot to me as a new youtuber.
It sounds like common sense, but really there's a lot of power in that statement. And a lot of truth.
Because once you stray from it and present yourself as a character/brand rather than a person, it definitely changes the sort of channel you have. Do you know what I mean emily?
Hey! I found you through Amanda cause I tuned in to your BlogTV show yesterday. You're really interesting. One note I had on the idea of two types of Youtubers...where are the people in the middle placed? I was never really a watcher to start with. I started posting videos from college (I was a film major) and only recently started making friends here. But I don't see myself on the 'maker' side if that means having a large audience, 'cause I don't really.
I'm technically a maker, but I feel like more of a watcher because I really like leaving comments and just talking to people and making friends and all that :) I always do feel more comfortable/motivated commenting on smaller youtubers because they tend to be the ones who actually reply to what I have to say, which is nice! Like Bribryontuor always responds :D Great video, I agree with you 100%
I want that to happen too. See, I'm a watcher. I always wanted to make videos, but I can't find an strong enough idea, and most of the times I tried anyway, I lose my nerve and end up not uploading the video. This concerns me a lot.
On the other hand, lately I started chatting with 2 makers and, even though they seemed quite funny and nice on YouTube, they're sort of unfriendly.
This is my experience on YT community up to now and I just felt like telling it to you.
I got a message from somebody once which started with "I know I have way less subs than you, so I don't really matter..." which was really sad, not only because that's how they felt but because that then made me feel guilty for having more subscribers than them. I definitely think we need to change the mindset that people have where the more subscribers you have the better you are.
I'm totally a watcher... partially because I didn't have a not hideous webcam until I got my MAC! Can you say iMovie? And partially because I just don't really feel like I ought to make any. My real issue is that I dont feel like I have anything I particularly want to share, you know?
[Cont] Don't think for a second that, in real life, I don't mis-speak, lose my train of thought, suck at eye contact, fail at clearly articulating, all the time. These are things that we edit out of videos. My internet image is what I wish to present, not simply what I am.'
Sorry for all the notifications you probably got for that but i'm glad you brought this up. Loving the videos, keep 'em coming ;)
- lighting setup, camera angle, color correction, audio equalization and compression, everything is optimized. Everything is larger than life. Even if it's a one-take video, how do you know it's not the tenth take? Even if it appears awkward, unflattering, unrehearsed, that's what they wanted you to see - otherwise they wouldn't have hit "upload."
There's always a reason why videos are put out onto YT in that particular way. And i came across this quote from Mike Lambordo which just puts it all in context:
'A youtube video is shot from a single, intentionally flattering angle, carefully planned, edited and tweaked to make sure it presents the most optimized view possible.
Even when it's time to just "turn on the camera and talk," there's still more going on than you know [Cont]
It recently dawned on me how strange YT really is, like how viewers see vloggers and as you mentioned more notably the more known vloggers. Because viewers only really see the makers in the way that the maker wants to be portrayed and as much as we want to feel we know these people as if they are our friends when really we only see what they portray themselves to be. We will only at the most see snippets of them,and from that we really cannot say we know as much as we like to think we do.[Cont]
Emily, this is fantastic, and so are you. Like Lidespam said, I don't think it has occurred to us to actually DO something about the line drawn between 'makers' and 'watchers', and and and yeah. I don't know how to gracefully end that sentence. BUT ANYWAY you're awesome. k bai. :)
Although I watched this a couple of days ago, I didn't comment because I wasn't sure what to say yet :) Mostly, I guess, I want to let you know that I think this video is awesome. I have definitely noticed the divide between creators and watchers, but it never.. occurred to me to try and DO something. So. You're awesome for making this video. Because it's important, and not many people seem to be addressing it.
....but also there can be a solid divide and far far far too much praise for those undeserving or maybe just too much praise for those sort of deserving. I've seen far too many channels which were diabolically awful have far too much praise heaped upon them. This demands a video response.......
@emilythebravee oh totally! I remember having the realisation that to put yourself on video...then put that on Youtube where essentially everyone can see you for what you are takes a massive leap of bravery and I'm proud for everyone who does it.
I've always wanted to drag people onto the Yootoobs, literally get them away from the screen and in front of the camera! Or behind and talking or something, just get on here!
My main goal was to forge a community, a proper chin wagging community among my wee circle and in a way, I and a few others have done that and we're rock solid. But! Youtube is NOT one community that can easily cross over. It's like high school with cliques and groups, which yes sometimes can cross over.....
@emilythebravee As a maker who is more more on the watcher side, I look up to a lot of the makers. So yeah, for me that pedestal is there, but because you do something well that I do not so well. From being in a collab channel I know how hard it is for me to come up with content and stuff, so the fact that you guys do so so well does make you someone to look up to, and partially creates that pedestal.
(And the you, being the makers you are talking about, not a specific person)
I watch a lot of youtube channels but I'm just not so interested in creating videos. Yeah, sometimes I put the makers on a bit of a pedestal (particularly people I really admire like the vlogbrothers), but as a nerdfighter I try to remember how we're all just real, normal people. After all, "What a treacherous thing it is to believe that a person is more than a person" (or something like that xD)
Anyway, I really enjoyed this! I'll make sure to at least comment on content more often.
I'm also in the middle, probably more a watcher (even though I have 110 videos) and I don't get nervous around people I idolise. Nevertheless, you sketched the general situation very well. Even though I am not one that falls within these stereotypes, you interested me. I thank you for that, and subscribed.
It's human for us to build hierarchies. It's just a part of who we are.John Green recently said:There’s a purpose to looking up to someone.Full quote here: dft(.)ba/-kjldkl and I totally agree.In the end EVERYONE is just a normal person, but for some reason we want to create these "boxes".These days in Youtube I totally understand how easy it is to put someone on a pedestal as famous, but all we try, I don't think fangirling will stop any time soon.
I agree with you I noticed too at Vidcon that the watchers don't try to reach out and talk to other watchers. Like if they are segregated by the people they watch.
I feel an inordinate amount of anxiety when I'm commenting on a video. I'm perfectly at ease when I post on Yourpants or something, and I think that's because there is a greater chance that I can have an intelligent conversation/discussion with a person who respects my opinion as opposed to some random troll. I trust that the people on Yourpants will be considerate, but I can't do that with most of Youtube's viewers. It's not the makers, but my fellow watchers that scare me into not commenting.
i appreciate this video, and i think there's a lot here that you're right about. it did leave me wondering, though- do you think there's still a place in the youtube community for people who want to be active as commenters (in a non-fangirl capacity), but don't want to make videos for one reason or another? you seem to suggest that the only way to be more involved is to make videos, and that might be right, but i don't think that's always been the case (& hope it's not now).
@morelightthanheat There definitely is. And you're doing it right now. By leaving intelligent comments that start conversations or give constructive criticism you are not being a fangirl, but a great commenter.
@emilythebravee i'm glad! i've been interested in the youtube/nerdfighter community for a couple of years now, but wasn't in a place where i had the time to make decent/interesting videos and wasn't sure if people saw much value in commenting. but, of course, i left that message yesterday and made my first video today (largely inspired by you and this video). it's arguably neither decent nor interesting, but it was kind of fun. so, thanks!
I always feel anxious when I comment- mostly because I can't really translate my thoughts into words. But I just wanted to say I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and wanting to change something that (from what I've heard) seems to be a problem within the YT community. So yeah, thank you.
Really interesting thoughts. I find myself commenting more and more lately, (even when I am fan-girling a bit) and I don't really know why. In the end, we're all experiencing the same video, right?
I like your perspective on Vidcon. Unfortunately, I was not able to go this year. I went last year but only for one day. @Urgo6667 had sort of a similar perspective of this year, but he saw that the TOP Partners/YouTubers were mostly inaccessible. Unless they were out singing audigraphs or giving a panel AND that everything was so scheduled on Top of each other. and TONS of Fans!
@KiddsockTV You are right. It is the Nature of the beast. I have always planned to go a video about YouTube and "YouTubin". Part of my ending Catch Phrase. For Future Vidcon, I think their probably needs to be a longer event so that everything is not on top of each other. PLUS separate events and Areas for "fans", "Creators/Directors" and "Top Partners/Studios." I think it would only be fair to allow the "Creators" to mingle with the "Top" instead of having the "VIP" and then everyone else.
OooOooOooo, I guess I had never put much thought into it before, as I haven't gone to either Vidcon, but as a viewer who does make videos, I appreciate this! ^_^
It's like we have one brain! Ok, not really. But I definitely had a very in depth conversation with my friend about this on the drive back from VidCon. Cheers my friend. And I hope we get a chance to talk more as you seem like a very chill person.
It's actually an advantage that YouTube content creators are just much more accessible than other people who are 'famous' to some extent.
I think people almost instinctively place everyone with some kind of fame on a pedestal instead of making the clear distinction between YouTube and other media.
When I meet you, I will make sure to come say hi and give you a hug!
And I especially agree with you on the commenting thing. Comments are amazing to read and to keep in touch with your viewers. <3
Hi Emily! I just discovered your channel yesterday from watching one of @lizlikestolaugh's videos. I'm also starting college in the fall, and I've been toying with the idea of starting a vlog, so thanks for this video; now I'm definitely going to start posting videos when to I get to college. :) Also, nice to meet you!
Fame is just a weird concept in general, even more so when it comes to YouTube. But I understand when you get big enough, you see layers: friends vs. followers because you only have so much time and it's a matter of establishing a few genuine vs. many shallow connections, but it does disconnect you from your viewers. But I proudly fangirl a few people because I'm okay with just admiring what they produce and not having to know them as a person. This video has a good discussion going on! -S
@schemestresses Oh I fangirl people too. Sometimes it's even my closest YouTube friends, just because I think they are incredibly talented. There's nothing wrong with fangirling until it restricts you from having actual conversations with those people.
For me it's mainly that my parents are strict, not that I'm awkward. I really do think it would be cool to make more video responses and stuff, but my dad hates Youtube. He told me that I'm not even allowed to have a facebook profile picture, so I know he would take away my camera if I made regular videos. The 2 I have were both made when no one was home so he wouldnt know :P I'm studying abroad starting in September though, so I'll start being more active then :-)
This is a great video! I don't think makers and viewers should be disconnected. So I love your idea! I really like the idea of Youtube for the main reason of making friends. It's just so cool how far away we can all be and yet still so close. This inspires me to make more videos! :) Thank you so much :)
I don't consider myself a "fangirl" for 1, I'm a guy, but the other thing is, I make it an obligation to comment on every one of my subscriptions videos, and by doing so, some recognize my username (It helps when you have about 400 subscriptions... It's an addiction... don't help me) which then breaks down the barriers that the format brings about. So I think that a solution to problem would be this, instead of the categories being "Makers" and "Watchers". Make it, "Makers" and "Commenters".
For a while that really killed the magic of the community that's sprung up here. And though I know that's not the case across the board, I certainly sense the rift between creators and consumers of youtube content. Thanks for addressing. :-)
You know, its funny you should mention this now; its actually a topic I've had on my mind (as I recently began transitioning out of being a youtube lurker and into actual content creation). I actually met my first "big" youtuber a couple of months ago, and expected the friendly, down to earth character I'd come to know online. I was surprised to discover this person actually came off rather arrogant and dismissive of fans IRL.
Thank you. I know this has been batted around a lot recently, but the reason most "makers" with a decent sized fan base don't make one take videos is because they edit out the things they don't want you to see. We're only getting to know the parts of themselves they're willing to share with us, which is completely legitimate, no one wants every part of themselves out there. That's the key thing to remember. As a maker I don't capture every candid thought I have so why should the people I watch?
Okay, yes. I was just at VidCon and I saw the same thing. I am still on the watcher side but I am really enjoying exploring the community. There's not enough room in this comment box to say what I think, so a video response seems like a good idea.
Major props, good conversation, I hope this stirs the pot more than a little.
hey emily, to be honest i dont usualy whatch your videos some how i ended up here. i loved your video and i think your making a point youtube is a community we should all be ably to be treated equaly. its kinda like in real life and high school there is always someone above you, in real life usualy someone you hate but on youtube someone you adore and idolise. and now im really glad i dirent post the last video i was going to post, it was about how im tired of other people being treated diferent
A nice, concise description of something I've been thinking about after seeing documented parts of gatherings and (most recently) Vicon.
The division is sort of a venn diagram more than a side-by-side, the 'watcher' circle being inside the 'maker' circle, because I'm sure makers watch others' videos regularly.
I'd probably lock up if I were about to talk to a Youtuber that I respect greatly. I wish that weren't true, but it is :/
hmmm... i think the makers seem inaccessible simply because of their amount of subscribers. They can't possibly have a decent and real conversation with every single one of the watchers. But i do agree that we shouldn't put them on such a high pedestal, simply because we could loose sight or understanding of them just being people, humans at the end of it all
I couldn't agree more, this video sort of reminds me of andrewbravener's video a while back about what was wrong with YouTube but you gave it a conclusion quite swimmingly :) bravo
That was a really productive video. Lately there seems to have been a lot of videos talking about "the decline of the community" and I've never seen the problem. They've never really been able to pin-point it. I'm one of those watchers who generally posts a "That was so funny" comment mainly to give quick feedback, but also because it feels like a lot of makers don't dedicate time to answering posts.
Thanks for making this! I couldn't agree with you more. I suppose some viewers feel nervous approaching makers with a large fan base is because they perceive them as celebrities. I know I would I feel scared out of my wits if I got to meet someone really famous (eg Matt Smti XD), so I guess it's hard for some viewers to get over the fact that they're normal people.
(cont) . And I love them for that. VidCon was an amazing experience in a whole.With running into people that I knew from the internet or making friends with people I'd never even talked to before and being best friends by the end of the convention.
And I've just subscribed to you through Alli. And I'm glad I did.
@werewolfluvr119 You're right. VidCon has so so so many positives and very few negatives. Unfortunately the negatives still need to be addressed if we want to see any difference.
I think the problem was that we weren't sure what to expect from the 'makers'. I wasn't. But as soon as you started talking to someone, you realized that they were the same as you. A YouTuber, who was awkward, exhausted from traveling but amazed at people around them.
The hardest part was saying "Hi. I love the videos you make and what you talk about." And it wasn't just because I loved their videos, it was because they were so real, they didn't expect anything to be different. (cont)
tallatstarbuck sent me here. You have a very valid point, but I'm not sure I'll ever make a video somehow it gets way to personal, but I won't swer on it :) . I like comenting from time to time but only when I think I've any opinion that I need people to hear. And lastly I'm sorry but I have to comlement you: the stuckture of this video was realy great; I realy love when someone acually knows how to speak... that's why I subscribed now :)
Also, I think the line is distinct maybe because some big-time "makers" aren't also active "watchers", so it's difficult to feel like we're all in the same big community of people.
I agree with everything, except I don't make videos because I don't want to, and I don't see anything wrong with that; I'm just more comfortable expressing myself textually than doing it verbally. I love the YouTube community and I'm perfectly fine in my place in it as an active watcher and commenter. I just watch the videos keeping in mind that "makers" are people, too- a lot of them "watchers" just like me- and try to respond actively to the content so that the communication is two-way.
It's really weird to think that just because a lot more people watch someone else then you, that person is now somehow either completely unreachable or just harder to reach then before. While it is also understandable because there are going to be mass amounts of people trying to reach out to one person because they enjoy their content. It's kind of a double edged sword. But I mean, I talk to you sometimes and you'll often respond. We've built up a kind of rapport.
@Cophenalypse Well some of it of it is the watchers and the makers faults, but unfortunately YouTube is also changing it's design to bring up the big YouTubers and push down the little guys. And luckily because I'm still a small YouTuber, I'm able to respond to almost everyone who talks to me and that's how I've developed real identities and even friendships with so many of the people who watch my videos, like you! :)
I really love this video. I almost feel like it truly acknowledges the problem that we were all talking about a couple of months ago because of Andrew Bravener. Like everyone was complaining about what YouTube was doing to keep smaller YouTubers down, when it was also the watchers fault there couldn't be more makers. By putting this wall between the two groups of YouTubers we aren't allowing very many new makers to be created, with or without that fangirl aspect.
I agree with you so much, it's good to know that someone does see the same problem as I have noticed. Thank you for making this video, I will try to spread it as much as I can. :D
Great video,with important stuff in it! I've been only a viewer of many videos for a long time, even without a user here. Mainly the reason I've been kinda out of this whole thing is that I didn't think anyone would care about my opinions and what I have to say. That's just something I've "learned" in my life earlier, and The past year I've been trying to get stuff out in the open and not just think about them in my tiny little mind.So thanks this really made me think and maybe I'll even vlog =)
This video and others pertaining to the YouTube community deeply intrigue my nerd-self. I am most definitely a watcher (i wouldn't even consider myself a part of the community) but watching has given me a great opportunity to observe part of a phenomenon a majority of people are insensible of. YouTube is obviously altering (or perhaps revealing) the way humans form communities, relationships, and self-identities. The fact that YouTube can open a window into human nature excites me thoroughly!
I E.T fingered your Dr. Who poster. I'm so easily distracted.
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Emily, the girl who revolutionised the youtube community, now THAT's some pedestal to be put on ;) anyway, I totally agree, I try to see the people that make youtube video's as much as normal people as I can. I do think however that not only the community is divided into two groups, but just humanity in general, I would LOVE to make video's and I think it'd be something I'd be pretty good at, but I jsut cannot bring myself to actually do it. Sometimes it just looks like a huge step to take
thelostlaurens 1 month ago
I am usually not afraid to talk to vloggers, but ''big'' vloggers just don't respond, even when I ask a simple question or have an easy request. I am an active commenter. I almost never watch a video without commenting, especially when it's a vlogger. I vlog once in a while and I know how encouraging it is to get comments.
Also, something different - I want to buy a camera for my video's, anyone has a recommendation for me? I have no idea.
Plottoberry 1 month ago
thanks Emily, this has inspired me to start vlogging, which I have been wanting to do for a long time :)
thecustarddiaries 1 month ago
Donald Trump called, he wants his hair back.
ThisClayMer 1 month ago
You have entirely taken my words out of my mouth. This is exactly how I felt after the Nerdfighter gathering this year. Thank you for beating me to the punch.
theatrkd 1 month ago
look im not usually a creeper but... HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT... p.s. love your videos very sophisticated.
thewalruswasdave 1 month ago
@thewalruswasdave ugh stop hitting on me.
emilythebravee 1 month ago
look im not usually a creeper but... HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT... p.s. love your videos very sophisticated.
DONTjackMYtaco 1 month ago in playlist 15 Best YouTube Videos of 2011
ohhh tu parles français? moi aussi!
chazzleroy 1 month ago in playlist 15 Best YouTube Videos of 2011
Hey, I love the video. But the best thing I took from this video is that Taking Back Sunday did a song about pets for Yo Gabba Gabba!
theskadudeguy 1 month ago in playlist 15 Best YouTube Videos of 2011
maybe they were nervous at vidcon because they're socially awkward and you are kinda hot
Jparker941 1 month ago in playlist 15 Best YouTube Videos of 2011
me and a few (mates/youtubers/watchers) are making a channel about a topic every other weekend (thursday, friday, saturday, sunday) i will pitch this idea to be a topic, because i believe your definitely on to something :)
Videocuters 1 month ago
Your editing makes me want to throw up.
evildeadTim 1 month ago in playlist 15 Best YouTube Videos of 2011
Its freaking awesome to hear about this and I want to do the same. Well, add to the YouTube Community like adding this comment. Whooo.
PapaHLZ 2 months ago
yep, I like this and now I know why Sean wants to make videos so soon
~Peeta
TheDFTBANews 2 months ago
Really great point here - my channel is what this is all about. Bridging that gap.
TheLionsDenNews 3 months ago
I would be afraid to make videos with my face in it coz I keep thinking about people seeing you on the internet and then kidnapping your or something. So... I think I'll just stick to animation and music for now.
themusicalnomad 3 months ago
is that an esther bracelet???
EveryDayIWake 3 months ago
I like your face. But seriously- you helped make me film again.
mazzwillrocu 4 months ago
This is a wonderful video. I love how you are so grounded, this is the concept YouTube was made wonderful by. The idea that we are just normal people making content. And thanks for giving the solution, not just complaining. That's the only way we can shape our community to be what we want
2broadwayor2home 4 months ago
David Tennant poster makes me soo happy :)
kondrathesnail 4 months ago
@kondrathesnail I think that's Matt Smith
9Rachel91 4 months ago
While we're talking about the youtube community, another reason it's falling apart is because some makers start making videos just for the sake of getting money. With the partnership program, it's possible to make money, but it shouldn't be the only reason you make videos. Just a perk of what happens when you put yourself out there to the commununity. A friend of mine does this and I've been trying to dissuade him from making videos just for the sake of profit, and try to make them for pleasu
ppatrickwalshh 4 months ago
Oh God, it's the Wizard Rock 'tier system' debate all over again.
chocolatecauldrons 5 months ago
Nice to meet you!
zuzuwilliams 5 months ago
This is so true, I feel like I'm strictly a "watcher" and rarely comment on anything because most of the time I'm okay with just observing the youtube community instead of participating in it. Maybe that should change.
supercleverusername 6 months ago
I just happened to stumble across this video, but I just have to say that you are so right! I think I have actually felt this, but never managed to put it into words. It is why I think I try to find smaller YouTubers as they are more likely to read the comments and hopefully respond, which I want to start a conversation from.
I also try to do this on my videos by responding to every comments (even if it's just 'haha this was funny'). Not really worked, but glad I'm not the only one :P
WaistHighView 6 months ago
came here through ali, met him in SITC, and i think your video is very right, i noticed this alot during SITC and i noticed that people were nervous around the 'makers' and to me it felt like some 'makers' were trying to distance themselves from their 'watchers' it was a real eye-opener to the youtube community as it is now.
HyperActiveSkittles 6 months ago
I, unfortunately, fangirl quite often. I get nervous meeting new people and when it is people that I have never meet, but have watched...Well lets just say that I'm an idiot. I would love for the bridge to be gaped. Youtubers are just people.
WayhoRachel 6 months ago
I would absolutely ADORE to make videos, as responses or even just one for fun. Unfortunately I don't think my parents would quite approve of it. I'm still a teenager, and I'm in a small house, so there's no place my parents WOULDN'T hear me talking to a camera. I do enjoy commenting time to time, but...YouTubers who have the freedom & chance to make videos, TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY! Be part of the community any way you can! (Sorry, didn't mean it to sound like a "pity me" comment, just my thoughts)
isisismynamemarie 6 months ago
This video deserves more recognition. Totally subbed :)
myinnernerd 6 months ago
This actually is why I haven't made a video yet. Oddly enough I didn't want to become someone attempting to be "fangirl" or whathaveyou. I started commenting recently, trying to spark those conversations which you mentioned. Perhaps trying to start little ripples and see what came of it. Who knows, perhaps I will make the time and effort to see if making a video effects the conversation, but for now I enjoy the conversations makers create within my own mind, and my own life; I watch.
taysteekiwiz 6 months ago
I'm as awkward talking to "normal" people as I am around the "pedestal" people.
But I like people. And I try not to be too creepy.
Nannirk 6 months ago
This video speaks so much truth. You should never be scared to say hi to somebody. They're a person, just like you are.
Voldey 6 months ago
I love how this video has a lot of comments from well-known "makers." It sort of shows support for the point Emily made in the video about breaking down the wall people build between "watchers" and "makers."
Thanks Emily! You didn't FTBA. :)
SweetheartMorada 6 months ago
I've been watching people on Youtube since 2008 and I still get nervous about posting my comments sometimes! But you just inspired me to start making videos. I will take your advice and maybe make a video response or two. I don't know when but sometime soon!
llamaindisguise 6 months ago
When you said "Later days!" I tooootally thought of The Weekenders xD
pixiestixqween 6 months ago
hey thanks for the video!
idkmybffimaan 6 months ago
i realy agree with what you've said i even find myself going into that sterotypical fan-girl. I've realised that i want to contribute to youtube, ive already made one video but seeing this makes me want to apsire to do more, and not to worry about the outcomes of it.
I want to be a maker and a Watcher :)
TheAimlessRambler 6 months ago
thank you for this video. I actively make videos, and watch and comment on tons of youtubers, and I love the community that I watch in a lot of those videos. However, I often feel like someone on the outside looking in, wishing that they could be a more active member of the youtube community. I have trouble making friends in real life, and I feel like I have the same issues on youtube as well. I wish there were more ways to solidify the community! Let's make it happen!
allystandsforawesome 6 months ago
I just wanted to say that this is an awesome video. I agree with everything you've said.
wilberforce95 6 months ago
i guess i really should start making videos now!! :)
and you shouldn't worry about college.. yea it's crazy, but you'll do fine!!! ^_^
NeonEstrella 6 months ago
<3 This :D Thank you for being real and awesome.
flute4moi 6 months ago
This is the video that inspired me not only to subscribe to you (woohoo!) but also to get out of my shell and to go out and not only continue to make my own videos, but to try and talk to other people and make friends with them and toe that line between watcher and maker. Thank you. (:
detectivefancypants 6 months ago
i also like to add that even though you and TheFourOfClubs both have the same motive, i like the way you approached it a lot better. She approached it in a way that had way too much emotion and she wanted to change this as well but she went about it in a way that would bash on ppl who are fans of anything.
NateNippi 6 months ago
you made a point!
NateNippi 6 months ago
Matt Smith is watching you.
WeaselAtNature 6 months ago
So I'm listening to this very interesting video and this is what is going on in my head. [YOU HAVE A FRENCH TEXTBOOK BEHIND YOU! OMG SHE MIGHT HAVE TAKEN FRENCH AND THAT WOULD BE COOL AND I"M MISSING THE POINT OF THIS VIDEO AND ITS A FRENCH BOOK!]
AlexeiRomanov100 6 months ago
I have watched videos on YouTube for a long time. And rarely comment. But this video makes me want to come out of my shell a little.
trappedillusions 6 months ago
So true! I've always been one of those "watchers" and I've wanted to start making my own content but have always found excuses not to. This might be the extra push I needed. :)
wordnerd1231 6 months ago
I have been loading music vids for a year. I just recently have been featured on Youtube Stars and I have noticed a shift in attitude of my fans and watchers toward me. They seem to be nervous and hesitate to leave comments. Like they are seeing me on a higher level or something! But, I am still just me loving making videos and sharing music! Vicki Owens
FriskyVickiSOwens 6 months ago
I'm preparing a video response, I think. If it comes together, i'll post it.
rosegarden54 6 months ago
Definitely do not regret clicking here. Subscribed!
ramonafreakk 6 months ago
You are completely right. There is so much distance between YouTube 'makers' & 'watchers'. It's a little creepy that it's turning into Second Hollywood or something! And to be honest, part of it is because they make us feel that way by their actions! I mean, they don't usually replay to their videos watchers, acting all VIP and stuff so it kinda turned that way! Your plan is amazing, everyone should interact more, even in comments, so this all Youtube-watcher-fan-girling thing goes away!
Tariena1001 6 months ago
Thanks Emily for the advice. I agree, I feel intimidated by the fact that all the big youtubers seem to be in some sort of club and it's good to remember that we are all people and we shouldn't put people on a pedestall. :-)
paramoralgirl 6 months ago
Hope i can help the community and make it a better experience for starter youtubers thanks Emily for the true facts and hope you liked the video i did to try and help with other ways in being nice to other fellow youtubers. =D
AlbertYeee 6 months ago
This is a great video.
melustew 6 months ago
Emily, this was awesome! I just started posting vids about a week ago, and I've seen SO MANY videos lately talking about this subject. Having been a watcher for so long, and now trying to jump into making videos, I think I can do something about breaking down the barrier. I started posting vids to make connections with people, and I think I can be a change in the community.
rosegarden54 6 months ago
You completely verbalized everything I have been thinking about lately. Thank you. I have always always resented being referred to as a 'fangirl' for enjoying certain youtubers content. It seems like everyone is now trying to resist liking the 'all star' makers because they feel that the lesser known youtubers need their chance to shine. I don't think that is the correct mentality. As it separates the makers, into even more polarized categories, and isolates our community even more.
munkinone 6 months ago
This video has really encouraged me to comment more often and even start making videos, i think that this video has already started to make a difference!
Wadeinthefire92 6 months ago
DOCTOR WHO!
sorry.
nice call to action. youtube can be a cooler place than it already is.
DrewsiferXXX 6 months ago
j'aime bien le livre de français derrière héhé, alors on discute?
TheHaggiseater49 6 months ago
wow, you're absolutely right about the whole makers and watchers thing. I, myself, have been strictly a watcher, but I've always wanted to put content out there. It's just I'm afraid of what others will think of me, and since I'm not too popular in real life, it's hard for me to be brave and put myself out there. but because of your video, I think I will start with some comments and video responses. thanks so much!
ixhuang1996 6 months ago
I understand what you mean about the problem. I think the difficulty is just partly created by the nature of YouTube itself. It creates a world where you can "know" a person when they don't even know you exist and a world where you have 293 comments on a video and you can't possibly respond to them all so there will always be people who comment and get no response. It's impossible to build a community without interaction but it's also almost impossible to truly interact with that many people.
Ravenclaw2313 6 months ago
You're kind of awesome o.o and yeah like other people have said I haven't really thought about that before. I mean I try and talk to people on youtube as I would if I were talking to them like they're my friends, because even though they have no idea who I am XD they feel like they're my friends.
ammiella 6 months ago
IM A PARTNER AND I STILL DONT KNOW MY AUDIENCE TRULY... IT SUCKS!!!
DudeVlogger 6 months ago
IM A PARTNER AND I STILL DONT KNOW MY AUDIENCE.. IT BLOWS!!!!
arman2417 6 months ago
I appreciate this video a lot. <3
italktosnakes 6 months ago 30
Came here by way of Andy's video. You're absolutely right about makers and watchers. I just started making videos after watching for a very long time, and it still seems strange to meet some "famous" you tube folks. I stammered like an idiot when I met Michael Buckley, and I'm not even a fan, really. I just like hearing different opinions and voices.
Unrelated question: What make of uke is that? Thanks!
extrokurt 7 months ago 3
@extrokurt Thank you :) It's a Kamaka!
emilythebravee 7 months ago
Wow this was all really well said. First video of yours I've seen :P
Most important quote from here is "Don't be afraid to be yourself." Means a lot to me as a new youtuber.
It sounds like common sense, but really there's a lot of power in that statement. And a lot of truth.
Because once you stray from it and present yourself as a character/brand rather than a person, it definitely changes the sort of channel you have. Do you know what I mean emily?
pkConda 7 months ago
Hey! I found you through Amanda cause I tuned in to your BlogTV show yesterday. You're really interesting. One note I had on the idea of two types of Youtubers...where are the people in the middle placed? I was never really a watcher to start with. I started posting videos from college (I was a film major) and only recently started making friends here. But I don't see myself on the 'maker' side if that means having a large audience, 'cause I don't really.
TheCreatingCat 7 months ago
interesting
maritimetimes 7 months ago
I'm technically a maker, but I feel like more of a watcher because I really like leaving comments and just talking to people and making friends and all that :) I always do feel more comfortable/motivated commenting on smaller youtubers because they tend to be the ones who actually reply to what I have to say, which is nice! Like Bribryontuor always responds :D Great video, I agree with you 100%
dylansayswords 7 months ago
I want that to happen too. See, I'm a watcher. I always wanted to make videos, but I can't find an strong enough idea, and most of the times I tried anyway, I lose my nerve and end up not uploading the video. This concerns me a lot.
On the other hand, lately I started chatting with 2 makers and, even though they seemed quite funny and nice on YouTube, they're sort of unfriendly.
This is my experience on YT community up to now and I just felt like telling it to you.
oneadbekunkus 7 months ago
I got a message from somebody once which started with "I know I have way less subs than you, so I don't really matter..." which was really sad, not only because that's how they felt but because that then made me feel guilty for having more subscribers than them. I definitely think we need to change the mindset that people have where the more subscribers you have the better you are.
Awesome video :)
OhItsJustKim 7 months ago 2
All good points!
But I was a bit distracted by the doctor pointing at me.
listentotheraenfall 7 months ago
OOOH GUUURL You be youtube famous!
I'm totally a watcher... partially because I didn't have a not hideous webcam until I got my MAC! Can you say iMovie? And partially because I just don't really feel like I ought to make any. My real issue is that I dont feel like I have anything I particularly want to share, you know?
cokerly 7 months ago
[Cont] Don't think for a second that, in real life, I don't mis-speak, lose my train of thought, suck at eye contact, fail at clearly articulating, all the time. These are things that we edit out of videos. My internet image is what I wish to present, not simply what I am.'
Sorry for all the notifications you probably got for that but i'm glad you brought this up. Loving the videos, keep 'em coming ;)
WelllWhatCanISay 7 months ago
- lighting setup, camera angle, color correction, audio equalization and compression, everything is optimized. Everything is larger than life. Even if it's a one-take video, how do you know it's not the tenth take? Even if it appears awkward, unflattering, unrehearsed, that's what they wanted you to see - otherwise they wouldn't have hit "upload."
WelllWhatCanISay 7 months ago
There's always a reason why videos are put out onto YT in that particular way. And i came across this quote from Mike Lambordo which just puts it all in context:
'A youtube video is shot from a single, intentionally flattering angle, carefully planned, edited and tweaked to make sure it presents the most optimized view possible.
Even when it's time to just "turn on the camera and talk," there's still more going on than you know [Cont]
WelllWhatCanISay 7 months ago
It recently dawned on me how strange YT really is, like how viewers see vloggers and as you mentioned more notably the more known vloggers. Because viewers only really see the makers in the way that the maker wants to be portrayed and as much as we want to feel we know these people as if they are our friends when really we only see what they portray themselves to be. We will only at the most see snippets of them,and from that we really cannot say we know as much as we like to think we do.[Cont]
WelllWhatCanISay 7 months ago
Really great video. Just got a subscribe from me.
agreatperhaps 7 months ago
insightful stuff :)
ItsShannaMay 7 months ago
@emilythebravee I completely agree. I don't really know how to fix it though
ScottZaborski 7 months ago
Emily, this is fantastic, and so are you. Like Lidespam said, I don't think it has occurred to us to actually DO something about the line drawn between 'makers' and 'watchers', and and and yeah. I don't know how to gracefully end that sentence. BUT ANYWAY you're awesome. k bai. :)
AnnaBluuMusic 7 months ago
@AnnaBluuMusic Thanks Georgie! :)
emilythebravee 7 months ago
Although I watched this a couple of days ago, I didn't comment because I wasn't sure what to say yet :) Mostly, I guess, I want to let you know that I think this video is awesome. I have definitely noticed the divide between creators and watchers, but it never.. occurred to me to try and DO something. So. You're awesome for making this video. Because it's important, and not many people seem to be addressing it.
Lidespam 7 months ago
@Lidespam Thank you very much, and thank you especially for coming back and commenting! :)
emilythebravee 7 months ago
....but also there can be a solid divide and far far far too much praise for those undeserving or maybe just too much praise for those sort of deserving. I've seen far too many channels which were diabolically awful have far too much praise heaped upon them. This demands a video response.......
Vigadeath 7 months ago
@Vigadeath I think anyone who takes the time, the effort, and the courage to post on something on YouTube deserves even a little bit.
emilythebravee 7 months ago
@emilythebravee oh totally! I remember having the realisation that to put yourself on video...then put that on Youtube where essentially everyone can see you for what you are takes a massive leap of bravery and I'm proud for everyone who does it.
Vigadeath 7 months ago
I've always wanted to drag people onto the Yootoobs, literally get them away from the screen and in front of the camera! Or behind and talking or something, just get on here!
My main goal was to forge a community, a proper chin wagging community among my wee circle and in a way, I and a few others have done that and we're rock solid. But! Youtube is NOT one community that can easily cross over. It's like high school with cliques and groups, which yes sometimes can cross over.....
Vigadeath 7 months ago
This is really fantastic Emily, It really is.
Thank you as well.
I'm glad to have been watching you since your first couple videos here.
Uh bye.
Davidovichification 7 months ago
@emilythebravee As a maker who is more more on the watcher side, I look up to a lot of the makers. So yeah, for me that pedestal is there, but because you do something well that I do not so well. From being in a collab channel I know how hard it is for me to come up with content and stuff, so the fact that you guys do so so well does make you someone to look up to, and partially creates that pedestal.
(And the you, being the makers you are talking about, not a specific person)
jag519 7 months ago
I watch a lot of youtube channels but I'm just not so interested in creating videos. Yeah, sometimes I put the makers on a bit of a pedestal (particularly people I really admire like the vlogbrothers), but as a nerdfighter I try to remember how we're all just real, normal people. After all, "What a treacherous thing it is to believe that a person is more than a person" (or something like that xD)
Anyway, I really enjoyed this! I'll make sure to at least comment on content more often.
go1711 7 months ago
@go1711 That's one of my favorite John Green quotes! I think it is so important.
emilythebravee 7 months ago
I'm also in the middle, probably more a watcher (even though I have 110 videos) and I don't get nervous around people I idolise. Nevertheless, you sketched the general situation very well. Even though I am not one that falls within these stereotypes, you interested me. I thank you for that, and subscribed.
jacobtribiani 7 months ago
It's human for us to build hierarchies. It's just a part of who we are.John Green recently said:There’s a purpose to looking up to someone.Full quote here: dft(.)ba/-kjldkl and I totally agree.In the end EVERYONE is just a normal person, but for some reason we want to create these "boxes".These days in Youtube I totally understand how easy it is to put someone on a pedestal as famous, but all we try, I don't think fangirling will stop any time soon.
ntcssj 7 months ago
Never saw it that way, Thank you.
SinsMelody 7 months ago
I agree with you I noticed too at Vidcon that the watchers don't try to reach out and talk to other watchers. Like if they are segregated by the people they watch.
AdamUPN0w 7 months ago
I feel an inordinate amount of anxiety when I'm commenting on a video. I'm perfectly at ease when I post on Yourpants or something, and I think that's because there is a greater chance that I can have an intelligent conversation/discussion with a person who respects my opinion as opposed to some random troll. I trust that the people on Yourpants will be considerate, but I can't do that with most of Youtube's viewers. It's not the makers, but my fellow watchers that scare me into not commenting.
IHadAStarInHeaven 7 months ago
@IHadAStarInHeaven Hm, that's very interesting. I've never heard that opinion before, but it makes a lot of sense. But thank you for commenting! :)
emilythebravee 7 months ago
@emilythebravee and thank you for commenting back! :)
IHadAStarInHeaven 7 months ago
i appreciate this video, and i think there's a lot here that you're right about. it did leave me wondering, though- do you think there's still a place in the youtube community for people who want to be active as commenters (in a non-fangirl capacity), but don't want to make videos for one reason or another? you seem to suggest that the only way to be more involved is to make videos, and that might be right, but i don't think that's always been the case (& hope it's not now).
morelightthanheat 7 months ago
@morelightthanheat There definitely is. And you're doing it right now. By leaving intelligent comments that start conversations or give constructive criticism you are not being a fangirl, but a great commenter.
emilythebravee 7 months ago
@emilythebravee i'm glad! i've been interested in the youtube/nerdfighter community for a couple of years now, but wasn't in a place where i had the time to make decent/interesting videos and wasn't sure if people saw much value in commenting. but, of course, i left that message yesterday and made my first video today (largely inspired by you and this video). it's arguably neither decent nor interesting, but it was kind of fun. so, thanks!
morelightthanheat 7 months ago
I always feel anxious when I comment- mostly because I can't really translate my thoughts into words. But I just wanted to say I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and wanting to change something that (from what I've heard) seems to be a problem within the YT community. So yeah, thank you.
KayleeCommons 7 months ago 35
Really interesting thoughts. I find myself commenting more and more lately, (even when I am fan-girling a bit) and I don't really know why. In the end, we're all experiencing the same video, right?
xlivelovelaughxxx 7 months ago
@xlivelovelaughxxx Exactly.
emilythebravee 7 months ago
@emilythebravee *subscribes*
xlivelovelaughxxx 7 months ago
Very cool! We will meet you next year!
TWEAKFootwearProject 7 months ago
@TWEAKFootwearProject Awesome! Looking forward to it :)
emilythebravee 7 months ago
I'm a brand new maker. I appreciated your thoughts. Thanks!
DadSingsBad 7 months ago
Oh yeah.. AND Keep on YouTubin!!
Hope to see you there next Year! Especially after I clear up my Issue and get back into things.
PS. Doctor Who Rocks!
KiddsockTV 7 months ago
Later days? Like on the weekenders? Whelp, even if that wasn't intentional, I'm subbing :)
TheCatPepe 7 months ago
Hi Emily. A NEW Subscriber!
I like your perspective on Vidcon. Unfortunately, I was not able to go this year. I went last year but only for one day. @Urgo6667 had sort of a similar perspective of this year, but he saw that the TOP Partners/YouTubers were mostly inaccessible. Unless they were out singing audigraphs or giving a panel AND that everything was so scheduled on Top of each other. and TONS of Fans!
KiddsockTV 7 months ago
@KiddsockTV You are right. It is the Nature of the beast. I have always planned to go a video about YouTube and "YouTubin". Part of my ending Catch Phrase. For Future Vidcon, I think their probably needs to be a longer event so that everything is not on top of each other. PLUS separate events and Areas for "fans", "Creators/Directors" and "Top Partners/Studios." I think it would only be fair to allow the "Creators" to mingle with the "Top" instead of having the "VIP" and then everyone else.
KiddsockTV 7 months ago
I clicked for matt smith and stayed for you :3
TheHeroKitty 7 months ago
@TheHeroKitty How kind of you :)
emilythebravee 7 months ago
This is SO true.it annoys me how we are stuck into those two stereotypes and we need to stop that.and become a community again
HeyyJJ 7 months ago
Is not having a camera a legitimate excuse? I really wish I could make videos but I just can't!
FlamingCamera 7 months ago
@FlamingCamera Yes okay, that is a legitimate excuse.
emilythebravee 7 months ago
OooOooOooo, I guess I had never put much thought into it before, as I haven't gone to either Vidcon, but as a viewer who does make videos, I appreciate this! ^_^
knowahsark 7 months ago
It's like we have one brain! Ok, not really. But I definitely had a very in depth conversation with my friend about this on the drive back from VidCon. Cheers my friend. And I hope we get a chance to talk more as you seem like a very chill person.
DrWholvr 7 months ago
Viewers put you on a pedestal not because of your videos but because the hair across your forehead inexplicably defies gravity.
SpeakMouthWords 7 months ago
@SpeakMouthWords It just does that! I CAN'T HELP IT
emilythebravee 7 months ago
HANK
TheVaultDescendant 7 months ago
YOU JUST GOT HANK TWEETED! CONGRATS!
arttomusic 7 months ago 17
totallly watched this vid 2 times idk why i needed to share that... but i did.
1from31 7 months ago
It's actually an advantage that YouTube content creators are just much more accessible than other people who are 'famous' to some extent.
I think people almost instinctively place everyone with some kind of fame on a pedestal instead of making the clear distinction between YouTube and other media.
When I meet you, I will make sure to come say hi and give you a hug!
And I especially agree with you on the commenting thing. Comments are amazing to read and to keep in touch with your viewers. <3
yrpgullwings 7 months ago
@emilythebravee
Hi Emily! I just discovered your channel yesterday from watching one of @lizlikestolaugh's videos. I'm also starting college in the fall, and I've been toying with the idea of starting a vlog, so thanks for this video; now I'm definitely going to start posting videos when to I get to college. :) Also, nice to meet you!
aquariuschicken 7 months ago
This definitely needed to be said, thanks.
TheRandomMaria 7 months ago
Fame is just a weird concept in general, even more so when it comes to YouTube. But I understand when you get big enough, you see layers: friends vs. followers because you only have so much time and it's a matter of establishing a few genuine vs. many shallow connections, but it does disconnect you from your viewers. But I proudly fangirl a few people because I'm okay with just admiring what they produce and not having to know them as a person. This video has a good discussion going on! -S
schemestresses 7 months ago
@schemestresses Oh I fangirl people too. Sometimes it's even my closest YouTube friends, just because I think they are incredibly talented. There's nothing wrong with fangirling until it restricts you from having actual conversations with those people.
emilythebravee 7 months ago
For me it's mainly that my parents are strict, not that I'm awkward. I really do think it would be cool to make more video responses and stuff, but my dad hates Youtube. He told me that I'm not even allowed to have a facebook profile picture, so I know he would take away my camera if I made regular videos. The 2 I have were both made when no one was home so he wouldnt know :P I'm studying abroad starting in September though, so I'll start being more active then :-)
1lilyannepotter1 7 months ago
This is a great video! I don't think makers and viewers should be disconnected. So I love your idea! I really like the idea of Youtube for the main reason of making friends. It's just so cool how far away we can all be and yet still so close. This inspires me to make more videos! :) Thank you so much :)
owlsongs 7 months ago
I don't consider myself a "fangirl" for 1, I'm a guy, but the other thing is, I make it an obligation to comment on every one of my subscriptions videos, and by doing so, some recognize my username (It helps when you have about 400 subscriptions... It's an addiction... don't help me) which then breaks down the barriers that the format brings about. So I think that a solution to problem would be this, instead of the categories being "Makers" and "Watchers". Make it, "Makers" and "Commenters".
TheRydog100 7 months ago
For a while that really killed the magic of the community that's sprung up here. And though I know that's not the case across the board, I certainly sense the rift between creators and consumers of youtube content. Thanks for addressing. :-)
froggyhare46 7 months ago
You know, its funny you should mention this now; its actually a topic I've had on my mind (as I recently began transitioning out of being a youtube lurker and into actual content creation). I actually met my first "big" youtuber a couple of months ago, and expected the friendly, down to earth character I'd come to know online. I was surprised to discover this person actually came off rather arrogant and dismissive of fans IRL.
froggyhare46 7 months ago
*church*
GuranTBH 7 months ago
Thank you. I know this has been batted around a lot recently, but the reason most "makers" with a decent sized fan base don't make one take videos is because they edit out the things they don't want you to see. We're only getting to know the parts of themselves they're willing to share with us, which is completely legitimate, no one wants every part of themselves out there. That's the key thing to remember. As a maker I don't capture every candid thought I have so why should the people I watch?
livinonaprayer802 7 months ago
Okay, yes. I was just at VidCon and I saw the same thing. I am still on the watcher side but I am really enjoying exploring the community. There's not enough room in this comment box to say what I think, so a video response seems like a good idea.
Major props, good conversation, I hope this stirs the pot more than a little.
nicopolitan 7 months ago
thank you, emily
LurleenMcCurly 7 months ago
hey emily, to be honest i dont usualy whatch your videos some how i ended up here. i loved your video and i think your making a point youtube is a community we should all be ably to be treated equaly. its kinda like in real life and high school there is always someone above you, in real life usualy someone you hate but on youtube someone you adore and idolise. and now im really glad i dirent post the last video i was going to post, it was about how im tired of other people being treated diferent
LurleenMcCurly 7 months ago
A nice, concise description of something I've been thinking about after seeing documented parts of gatherings and (most recently) Vicon.
The division is sort of a venn diagram more than a side-by-side, the 'watcher' circle being inside the 'maker' circle, because I'm sure makers watch others' videos regularly.
I'd probably lock up if I were about to talk to a Youtuber that I respect greatly. I wish that weren't true, but it is :/
mxm1117 7 months ago
hmmm... i think the makers seem inaccessible simply because of their amount of subscribers. They can't possibly have a decent and real conversation with every single one of the watchers. But i do agree that we shouldn't put them on such a high pedestal, simply because we could loose sight or understanding of them just being people, humans at the end of it all
niminonono 7 months ago
This is spot on. I love interacting with people in the community :) Also, totes subscribing.
aquatius5 7 months ago
I couldn't agree more, this video sort of reminds me of andrewbravener's video a while back about what was wrong with YouTube but you gave it a conclusion quite swimmingly :) bravo
smashrobot3ZO 7 months ago
That was a really productive video. Lately there seems to have been a lot of videos talking about "the decline of the community" and I've never seen the problem. They've never really been able to pin-point it. I'm one of those watchers who generally posts a "That was so funny" comment mainly to give quick feedback, but also because it feels like a lot of makers don't dedicate time to answering posts.
Eyoma 7 months ago
Oh, hi there!
I'm a content creator. And a viewer. And I love everyone.
(Also, I do see that flip as you do. I get people favoriting my @replies to them! But, yeah. I just... #hadtocomment and #hadnothingtoreallysay)
themunchkym 7 months ago
Thanks for making this! I couldn't agree with you more. I suppose some viewers feel nervous approaching makers with a large fan base is because they perceive them as celebrities. I know I would I feel scared out of my wits if I got to meet someone really famous (eg Matt Smti XD), so I guess it's hard for some viewers to get over the fact that they're normal people.
NatKat63 7 months ago
(cont) . And I love them for that. VidCon was an amazing experience in a whole.With running into people that I knew from the internet or making friends with people I'd never even talked to before and being best friends by the end of the convention.
And I've just subscribed to you through Alli. And I'm glad I did.
werewolfluvr119 7 months ago
@werewolfluvr119 You're right. VidCon has so so so many positives and very few negatives. Unfortunately the negatives still need to be addressed if we want to see any difference.
emilythebravee 7 months ago
I think the problem was that we weren't sure what to expect from the 'makers'. I wasn't. But as soon as you started talking to someone, you realized that they were the same as you. A YouTuber, who was awkward, exhausted from traveling but amazed at people around them.
The hardest part was saying "Hi. I love the videos you make and what you talk about." And it wasn't just because I loved their videos, it was because they were so real, they didn't expect anything to be different. (cont)
werewolfluvr119 7 months ago
tallatstarbuck sent me here. You have a very valid point, but I'm not sure I'll ever make a video somehow it gets way to personal, but I won't swer on it :) . I like comenting from time to time but only when I think I've any opinion that I need people to hear. And lastly I'm sorry but I have to comlement you: the stuckture of this video was realy great; I realy love when someone acually knows how to speak... that's why I subscribed now :)
SwimingPolarbear 7 months ago
Also, I think the line is distinct maybe because some big-time "makers" aren't also active "watchers", so it's difficult to feel like we're all in the same big community of people.
yanran93 7 months ago
I agree with everything, except I don't make videos because I don't want to, and I don't see anything wrong with that; I'm just more comfortable expressing myself textually than doing it verbally. I love the YouTube community and I'm perfectly fine in my place in it as an active watcher and commenter. I just watch the videos keeping in mind that "makers" are people, too- a lot of them "watchers" just like me- and try to respond actively to the content so that the communication is two-way.
yanran93 7 months ago
It's really weird to think that just because a lot more people watch someone else then you, that person is now somehow either completely unreachable or just harder to reach then before. While it is also understandable because there are going to be mass amounts of people trying to reach out to one person because they enjoy their content. It's kind of a double edged sword. But I mean, I talk to you sometimes and you'll often respond. We've built up a kind of rapport.
Cophenalypse 7 months ago
@Cophenalypse Well some of it of it is the watchers and the makers faults, but unfortunately YouTube is also changing it's design to bring up the big YouTubers and push down the little guys. And luckily because I'm still a small YouTuber, I'm able to respond to almost everyone who talks to me and that's how I've developed real identities and even friendships with so many of the people who watch my videos, like you! :)
emilythebravee 7 months ago
I really love this video. I almost feel like it truly acknowledges the problem that we were all talking about a couple of months ago because of Andrew Bravener. Like everyone was complaining about what YouTube was doing to keep smaller YouTubers down, when it was also the watchers fault there couldn't be more makers. By putting this wall between the two groups of YouTubers we aren't allowing very many new makers to be created, with or without that fangirl aspect.
Cophenalypse 7 months ago
I agree with you so much, it's good to know that someone does see the same problem as I have noticed. Thank you for making this video, I will try to spread it as much as I can. :D
LellahIsBlue 7 months ago
Great video,with important stuff in it! I've been only a viewer of many videos for a long time, even without a user here. Mainly the reason I've been kinda out of this whole thing is that I didn't think anyone would care about my opinions and what I have to say. That's just something I've "learned" in my life earlier, and The past year I've been trying to get stuff out in the open and not just think about them in my tiny little mind.So thanks this really made me think and maybe I'll even vlog =)
awuhuuMaiju 7 months ago
I agree with you SO SO SO SO SO SO much.
InsideLimeTV 7 months ago
This video and others pertaining to the YouTube community deeply intrigue my nerd-self. I am most definitely a watcher (i wouldn't even consider myself a part of the community) but watching has given me a great opportunity to observe part of a phenomenon a majority of people are insensible of. YouTube is obviously altering (or perhaps revealing) the way humans form communities, relationships, and self-identities. The fact that YouTube can open a window into human nature excites me thoroughly!
mdsq36 7 months ago
So basically your video just made me feel a lot better about myself, and has given me something to think about. So thanks. Again.
DreamerRealist 7 months ago