no lies brah. I havent said anything that isn't easily available knowledge. for the record, since you asked. Navy. If you have any problem with what I have said, come over to the terminal lance forums and air out your problems there.
Marines were brought into Fallujah to do a job because it was infested with insurgents and the army couldn't/wouldn't get it done. Simple as that. Saying the Marines screwed up the Army's perfect handling of the situation is like saying the Army is totally to blame for getting their asses kicked in Mogadishu (blackhawk down) after the Marine Corps handed it off to them completely under control. Different missions, different techniques.
Marines were brought into Fallujah to do a job because it was infested with insurgents and the army couldn't/wouldn't get it done. Simple as that. Saying the Marines screwed up the Army's perfect handling of the situation is like saying the Army is totally to blame for getting their asses kicked in Mogadishu (blackhawk down) after the Marine Corps handed it off to them completely under control. Different missions, different techniques.
Funny how everyone uses the Marine Corps as the standard by which all others are measured. Of course a USMC boot camp graduate is not at the same level as a SEAL or even a Ranger. But I'll guarantee that he is at a higher level than someone comming out of Army or Navy boot camp. Marines have a higher bar to start with. They go to the same special schools as other branches after that. Marines are routinely honor graduates from Ranger school, airborne, etc...
@SteelCityDucati You're right about CAG and DevGru being elite, but Marsoc is not a part of JSOC, it's a part of SOCOM which includes all the regular Seal Teams, SF, and Rangers along with CCT and PJ's.
MARSOC never had a JSOC unit to begin with and still don't...They were kicked out of Afghanistan, but are still in SOCOM. Nowadays, they are welcome additions to special operations, sort of like a happy medium between Special Forces and SEALs.
@SitRepful Buddy No one knows what units or training they go through now because Marsoc changed it and are not letting the public know about their routines. They were never kicked out of Afghanistan, they just failed their first operation with the Seals on that joint op. Marine Corps never believed in SOCOM and were the first special forces but didn't be a part of socom until recently and were classified as special operations capable. Yet Recon did carry out special ops aka the best missions.
No. I work with special operations and have met MARSOC operators, and while they are good dudes, it is no secret that they were kicked out country. But don't take my word for it.
"When the Marines were kicked out of Afghanistan on April 3 by Army Lt. Gen. Frank Kearney, the top special operations commander in the theater, the Army apologized for the Marines’ behavior, paid compensation to the victims’ families and tried to put the events behind them." -MCT
@SitRepful 1. Your an ignorant phony whos name is sitrepful, your name already states your a fake call of duty veteran-If you work with spec ops I want you to prove that, Name, your Mos, serial number, and what unit are your in. And if you buy in to media propaganda and bullshit your a fucking idiot to.MCT- I mean for gods sake they have advertisements of fake combat pants on that website and you expect me to think thats reliable!? You've got to be kidding me.
@SitRepful Another thing, if you work with spec ops and have met MARSOC operators then why the hell are you getting information from a website!? "Marine Corps Times"
First, reporters still call Marines soldiers for one thing and just want a story. Thats just how they get paid. They don't care if the story's made up. They don't even give the name of the source, they just call it the source.
How do you expect me to believe any of what your saying!?
@SitRepful "Army Lt. Gen. Frank Kearney, the top special operations commander in the theater"!? You watch to many movies and play to many video games.
1. "Army Lt. Gen" OOOHHH SO YOU CAN BE A LT AND A GEN AT THE SAME TIME-DF!? You can't even get your ranks right!
2. " the top special operations commander in the theater" What theater!? The movie theater? Because that must be the place you go to get your facts.
There is a difference between Division Recon and Force Recon in the Marine Corps. They have slightly different missions. Div Recon supports MEU's. Force Recon is allowed more freedom and is(was) not directly attached to a MEU. Force Recon's trigger pullers got put into MARSOC's 1st and 2nd Battalions.
If anyone thinks Div Recon no longer exists they need to pull their head out of their ass and go to BRC.
For the record, MARSOC is not part of JSOC either it is under USSOCOM.
force recon, the special forces of the marines doesnt exist. marines decided to send troops for the socom program, and all force recon marines were reassigned in the so called marsoc programm. check my answer to killerbeau95 (the top comment, i described it very detailed ;)
@killerbeau95 The Recon Battalions still exist, and are organic to the MAGTF. Force Recon was rolled into MARSOC, and MARSOC now provides the capabilities once served by Force Recon, as well as an additional set of skill sets.
@killerbeau95 Recon has traditionally bridged the gap between SOCOM and the Marine Corps. Being a SOF capable force they were often asked to accomplish "less traditional" missions in lieu of another SOCOM unit. The Marine Corps believs that EVERY Marine is special, and that the Force Recon was a decent compromise.
@killerbeau95 In order to increase the size of the Special Operations community SecDef Rumsfeld demanded the Marine Corps stop resisting and provide a unit consisting of Marines for SOCOM. The Army has Green Berets and Rangers, the Navy has SEALS, the Air Force has ParaRescue, each service had a unit with a presence with the United States Special Operations Command.
@killerbeau95 In order to increase the size of the Special Operations community SecDef Rumsfeld demanded the Marine Corps stop resisting and provide a unit consisting of Marines for SOCOM. The Army has Green Berets and Rangers, the Navy has SEALS, the Air Force has ParaRescue, each service had a unit with a presence with the United States Special Operations Command.
@killerbeau95 When the Marine Corps allowed for the formation of MARSOC it drew heavily on the ALREADY certified and capable Force Recon community. MARSOC is a new and rapidly changing unit within the Marine Corps. It has a split personality (SOCOM warfare vs. 230+ years of USMC tradition). It has changed tremendously since it's creation in 2005 and will probably look even more different in 5 more years.
hehe get ur fact right brother... force recon is cancled. all these marines are put into the marsoc unit.
its the MC SOCOM program. under MC SOCOM (or MARSOC) there is: Marine Special Operations Regiment (MSOR) , Marine Special Operations Support Group (MSOG) , Marine Special Operations Intelligence Battalion (MSOIB, MIB) and the Marine Special Operations School (MSOS). the MIB is for intelligence. some call it the fate of the force recon, maybe thats what u meant
@Jebotito No they're not. You are greatly misinformed my friend. RECON is still alive and active MARSOC is a completely different pipeline and thier selection process also differs from that of Marine RECON.
FORCE RECON marines are no more. All these FR marines were put the the MARSOC unit.
USSOCOM wanted Special Forces Units form the Navy, the Army and the airforce. everyone sent their best troops - only the marines werent. so the SOCOM guys tried to convince the former marine commander to send his best too, to provide a wider varity of special forces units specialized in counter terrorist and counter hostage situations too. marines finally agreed to form up a new unit: MARSOC
@Jebotito And before you reply to anything, I AM an ACTIVE-DUTY hospital corpsman in the Navy going to RECON training in a couple months, so I do know what the fuck I am talking about.
@killerbeau95 They still have Recon Marines. Recon Marines are kind of equivalent (in a mission and tier group base) of Army Rangers. MARSOC was implemented to become a part of JSOC (Joint Special Operations Command).
DivRecon do reconnaisance at the battalion level. Recon for the MAGTF essentially.
ForceRecon are recon marines attached to the task force commander.
MARSOC was created from Force Recon. Force recon used to seperated into Reconnaissance and Direct Action elements. The direct action elements were taken to form MARSOC. Force Recon still exists, however their purpose is purely reconnaissance now, only gathering intelligence.
@wizkhalifaufc Force Recon doest still exist. They fall under MEFs, MEU(SOC)s and MSPFs as Force Recon Platoons or Direct Action Platoons. Also, 3rd and 4th Force Recon Co are reserve Force Recon units.
@GunRun13 so when marsoc isnt recon right? i read other comment that force recon got reasigned then a new program opened up called marsoc so i guess i was wrong i thought force recon had joined marsoc.
@killerbeau95 marsoc was created by recon. Recon are special operations capable (just like the 75th rangers) while MARSOC are actual special operations forces. The USMC wanted a special operations forces group just like the USA (green berets/delta), USAF (pj, cct, tacp), and USN (seals, swcc, eod), so that's why the USMC now has MARSOC.
i want to apologize to all my fellow brothers & sisters (marines) for making an ass of myself. you know everyone fights for who is better but it doesnt matter, were all together & fighting under the same flag. im proud to serve with my fellow airman, marines, soldiers & sailors! once again im SORRY my fellow brothers. i say this cause i saw marines stick up for soldiers after dumbass soulja bitch insulted us. but thanks guys, stay safe & fight hard. SUA SPONTE!!!
btw u morons sound like u have testastedrome steroid problems. dont get offended. u know how retarded u sound saying u run 11 mins 2 miles??? u sound like ur full of shit, all u dudes say u run 3 miles in 18 mins than u turn around and fail on a military course where a fat ARMY chick out do ur elite super hardcore own intestine eater robocop marine that slaps god & shits on the devil. u can claim whatever u want, regardless u will always be nothing more than a shadow. btw i TOO beat up recon guy
@steelgrunge.....lmao. ur too funny, iwo jima??? u fought sailors, with lil to no ammo, no air support, no armor, & the marines outnumber them by twice the size, 50k vs 25k yea that mustve been valorous!!! i know history buddy thats why i dont buy into marine corp propaganda. the only reason iwo jima was even consider a battle was because jarheads got complacent, got ambush & torn the fuck up. imagine if that was a real ARMY like germany there wouldnt be any marines. go run ur 3 miles 28 mins!!!
You're better what a joke whoa wow i can't believe someone with rediculous training that i just went to for jump school with rangers that have no discipline and their training is a joke has the balls to say their better you guys are jokes.
I dont wanna hear how much better your training is lets look at your minimal joke run time or your minimal joke push ups "wow so hard omg" or your joke minimal sit ups, that fact is we are in better shape we respect our rank structure we are not fat bodies like you are walking around wasting space. We have rougher living conditions because we can handle it we have the weapons we have because we can shoot a target on point not like your "can't miss targets" with a black spot to hit
All i have to say is we beat the shit out of 15 bitch ass Rangers in Savannah so regardless of your training that u supposively go through and your ridiculous drill instructors that sound like moms asking a kid to clean their room or you "tough sleeping quarters on deployement" that are a joke because u fags need to live like your home or the fact that chesty puller was quoting when a pussy army officer asked him were the retreat line was saying to his marines if they retreat shoot them.
i just found an interesting article. 50,000 marines invaded iwo jima against 20,700 japs. the difference is in equipment, marines had issue over a year a couple of tons of equipment including ammo, japs only 300 hundred pounds. dont believe me guys & girls, look it up.
@fatbastard.....thats just your normal marine puttin himself on a pedestal. you guys know why marines always cry about ARMY has better equipment then they do??? cause they belong to the dept. of the NAVY, & the NAVY feels is more important to spend 12 billion dollars on a new ship then give them any funds. dont be mad guys, BTW you guys also have equipment that if it breaks your F"ed not just the ARMY.
All US forces are BROTHERS in arms and should respect each other. Forget about what others have done first and whatnot, don't be childish. When in a conflict you will have to rely on one another. Competition is good. Bickering like high school girls is not.
@willthrill94 agreed, if it were not for our forces working together we would of never had that D day landing, we would of never had Midway, or anything. sure some guys get better equipment or better training or even the most dangerous jobs, but remember this all of our men in combat are doing a dangerous job, no matter what they are, normal grunt or a special operations guy that has next gen equipment, they are all patriots and all true men, GOD BLESS AMERICA, GOD BLESS AMERICA'S ALLIES
@omgzombie......army"s pt test minimun is 2 miles 15:16, 2 mins 47 push ups, 2 mins 49 sit ups. thats still more than what marine ask for, thats minimun, zombie you wanna go perfect, 2 miles 12 mins. push ups 78. sit ups 80+. nothing big but its minimun still is more demanding. so whats the big deal. when i used to go running with my company we ran 6 miles did dips & pull ups before running. average was 15 pull ups, not a big deal.
@omgzombie.....i dont need to do no research DAWG!!! its simple once again gayrines exploiting theyre shit, your trying to tell me that every or most marines get a perfect score??? most marines thrived on the minimun score period, which is 28 mins 3 mile, minimun 3 pulls ups 2 mins & minimun 40 crunches 2 mins, your talking out of your ass. most gayrines will tell you they run 3 miles 18 mins, take theyre asses on a run & they do 3 miles around 26 mins, slow slow slow. i run 2 miles in 12:56
@jabolyn ok bitch no one ever does 26 min 3 mile if they did they would be on remedial pt the slowest i've ever even see is like 23 mins beside your run time ain't bitch I can run 2 miles in 11 mins
@jabolyn Do your research dawg, the minimum on the 3 mile is 28 mins a perfect score is 18 mins, a perfect on the pull ups is 20 and perfect on the crunches is 2 minutes.
BTW i dont know why gayrines exploit themselves for every little thing, WWII iwo jima, whoo hoo, you fought sailors that had 1 tank regiment, infantry with no ammo, no air support & less numbers. you guys outnumber them, had constant support from nany artillery, air support ammo, & tanks & u complaint. gay. now fallujah, 1 major battle & all 300,000 marines have been there, lmao. lame. its all right ur commercials & uniforms are pimp
another thing, why do JARheads think their so badass when your fitness test is a fucking joke. 28 mins for 3 miles, thats 9 mins 20 sec a mile, you can walk that. 2 mins for 3 pull ups, 2 mins for 40 crunches, not sit ups, crunches it aint even hard. oh dont 4get shootin at 500 yds targets that dont pop up or move AT ALL, maybe you should go fight & stop guarding embasies.
@stefabio.....really??? hahaha you act like any marine can just whooped anyones ass, i have call them fags & they just walk away cause they know it would go differently here. 2nd rough??? plz you guys act like 90% of boots failed!!! more sailors fail tha navy boot than marine boot. 3rd 3 times fallujah, last time i checked the 82nd handed it to marines secured & they lost it under theyre watch. THANK YOU come again. spearheaded what??? commercials??? never has happen, except humanitarian mission
BTW, SOCOM has three tiers. At the top are units like Devgru and Delta. In tier two you have formations like the Navy Seals, Army Special Forces and MARSOC among some other units. Finally there is a third tier with support units and the 75th Ranger Regiment. No the 75th does not compare to MARSOC, the members here receive much more extensive training.
cover, they take the fight to the enemy. dont be upset cause its true. every time i hear a gayrine comparing something stupid that happen to the ARMY is eithe naty girls or fucking reserves, they suck. try 82nd 101st, 10th, 1st id, 3rd id, real units, yes we got them, all your hear from them is MOH & silver stars, yes we got all of them too. dont hate brah, i know the truth, i work for triple canopy as a direct action operator & seen both in action, never seen poor performance from the army
@jabolyn Marines too rough for you? And Gayrines, really? Grow up. Insulting one branch doesn't make the others better, they all fight for the same reasons and depend on one another so have some respect and pull your head out of your ass. It's a fact the the Marines are the spearhead of the US Military, they're the first to fight. Marines took Fallujah 3 times, twice because the Army couldn't failed to hold it. I dare you to call a Marine gay to his face, you'll get your fucking head ripped off.
@cummingfullofcuminhismouth......army snipers have always beat gayrines bro, is fact, COD comeback really?? shows ur high level of education. yes ARMY has more experienced, in most wars when gayrines are strugglin with folks like iwo jima, army is kicking ass in europe, africa, & guadacanal, yes they ARE more proven, stop believing your own commercials. 1st to fight never has happen. & dude withe the "my plt got kill" your so full of shit. must been an entire marine platoon. btw army doesnt take
@jabolyn lmfao kicked ass must i remind you we took iwo jima bitch we took guadacanal and in korea when your two dogface army divisions got destroyed why is it that a battalion of marines saved your asses fucking idiots can't even tell who's who in country with more blue on blue than anyone else and if you would know anything about history you would know that the marines have been around since 1776 during the revolutionary war we don't bitch about equipment we get shit done with what we got
also people recon the greenies and seals all take stuff from each other and they get along so dont try and compare the 2 they all do diffrent misssons so ya stop bitching but i am goin to say as in sniipers marines have been known to have the best
@eric......amen bro, no 1 is better than CAG or DEVGRU!!!! tier 1 operators, this guys high on steroids & testasterome think theyre better. pppffffttttt
"this is why socom trains at camp pendleton" lmao. if they do is cause theyre using your land for some reason, 2nd it depends on socom unit where they train, most likely your referring to seals since the marines are sailor infantry it wouldnt surprise me. thats like saying thats why marines train in ARMY schools, ariborne, ranger, s.e.r.e & so forth, you keep stepping on your own dick BOOT.
@phxx650......btw marines shoot at 500 yds not meters, 2nd marines dont shoot at moving targets, we both know those are still targets (easy) ARMY shoot up to 300m at moving targets from standing, kneeling, sittin, & prone position. dont give me the whole better shooters simply on myth, ill bring facts, the ARMY has won most top sniper competition when competing against marine sniper school instruction, recon BN, & field tested marine snipers. can i get a double HUH HUH???
@phrxx....thats myth, bring actual proof. a recon marine i personally knew got demoted when he went from marine to ARMY, lost his sgt & was give spc rank. like i said pure myth not actual proof, just like the stress cards, just like marines are 1st to fight (lol)
special air service, it was founded as i recall during ww2 to fight against rommel, my great uncle was in the desert rats dude, stop the mouthing off, SAS sets the standard for more others to follow, i would put the average uk royal marine up against these guys lols, the sas are far from pussys and i would love to see you call one a pussy to his face lols in fact i would pay good money to see this lulz!
@bradyballer......have you ever been trough SAS or SBS trainning??? you sure talk hard like you have & past it with flying colors!! relax, i understand you like marsoc cock but relax, its someones opinion, you dont gotta go & try to forcefully make make like GAYrines!!!
@cumming2421.......look guy you are hilarious, "as basic marines you get the same kind of trainning as ARMY RANGERS" you obviously believed what your recruiter, DI & commercial say!!! rofl, you guys think your better fighters then UFC fighters, you can beat chuck norris or kick the hell out of an alligator without weapons. get real you all are alright not elite, maybe in te corps ur elite but not compare to the rest of the world where it matters! go & try to get inside a RANGER BN & findout!!!!
@jabolyn just look at the range that they shoot at Marines train at 500 meters, Army at 300. you cant go to marines after Army with out ferther training. But a marine can go to any branch anytime. AND keep there rank. So tell me again that Army training is the same??
lets see marine recon & force recon are not part of SOCOM RANGERS & SF are. MARSOC is part of socom but not combat proven, they got kicked out of trashghanistan! Recon marines are more like ARMY PATHFINDERS, MEU is more like 101st & 82nd airborne the only difference is the ARMY units has been proven in combat longer than the marine units have. not trying to bash the marines but im simply putting facts up. you guys have a wonderful day.
@jabolyn lol dude ur a joke these arnt the facts at all do some more research lol army been proven in combat longer lol jesus its kids like u get off the call of futy adn wikipedia kid jesus
Hardrod8 is just an SAS fanboy but if he knew shit he would know that the SAS are pussies to these guys. AND QUIT comparine normal marines to the secret squirrels (delta force) and the rangers. THOSE are SPECIAL FORCES the normal marines are not so compare rangers to MarSOC or Recon.
@avfx i bet you cant even tell me what SAS stands for, if you knew then you would know why they are pussies compared to these guys. They can't do half of what MarSOC can do.
you can compare regular marines more to 101st or 10th mountain division. Rangers are far above Marines and i mean those with Ranger Scroll not the tap. But I think Marine Recon is equal to Rangers but they both have different missions. And SF you can compare to Force Recon. But dont bad mouth or this training is harder or this and that. They both do very different types of missions.
@CAallday209 woowoowoo dude don't get hotheaded u seriously compared a marine GRUNT to a RANGER...u must be trippin...I know marines are an elite fighting force but they don't have as much traing as Rangers...and people please stop saying rangers are special forces
@AmphibiousReconMSOB No it isn't. Though Marine Special Operations Command recruited almost exclusively from Force Reconnaissance companies, they still exist. There are 2 active duty Recon Battalions, each with 1 Force Reconnaissance Company. Marine Special Operations Regiment did not replace Force Recon, however it did in a way take one of it's primary jobs as the go-to direct action unit. I was a Force Reconnaissance Marine from 5th (Scout-Sniper) Platoon 1st Recon Bn for one cycle in '05.
thats rad,didn't know that am prior service with air guard and hope switchin my little bro is an grunt in your branch he signed for recon but they put him in meu.My hope is to at least make it in infantry before everything gets taken , how long was the waiting process for recon,and was there allot of people in your class that got picked for the mos
@AmphibiousReconMSOB FORCON is I MEU(SOC) or Marine Expeditionary Unit Special Operations Capable
You have to volunteer for BRC (Basic Recon Course) to go 0321 and it can take over a year to cycle through all the training courses, but i was recomended about the time training started so i didn't need to wait long before training.
There were about 55 Marines who started the course from selection and processing, and between half and one third made it through. The training was pretty vigorous.
@AmphibiousReconMSOB I actually surprisingly had a harder time in Scout-Sniper school because it was more about intelligence and patiance than physical muscle memory. Less than 1/3 of my class graduated from SSBC, but after going through the Advance Sniper course and Team Leaders course, everything seemed a bit easier, even BRC and the Company's MTP. Those are mostly meant as the shock force to show what missions may be like, the real training starts after the Basics.
@AmphibiousReconMSOB No, Just, no. I dont know why you decided to make that your name as you are clearly not a part of recon or MARSOC. Recon and Force Recon still exist, Marsoc is simply a different unit that belongs to USSOCOM and not the commandant of the marine corps.
98% of the comments here are by fucking civilians who dont know jack shit. so members of the us armed forces just ignore the stupidity here and leave it be. theres no point in getting involved in this bull shit with "whos better".
As Marines are known for their toughness and longer bootcamp and hardest bootcamp I'm sure this marsoc will be rough and tough and squared away. The force recon community has always been a good group of professional warriors now the Marines have just added to that with the addition of marsoc which is very highly specialized like seals,and Greene berets.
As far as the similarities between green berets and marsoc, they are clear but so is the similarities between all special forces in the u.s. military .whether seals or force recon or green berets now Marines have their own version of that type of specialized highly trained group. It's been a long time in coming but the Marine corps is such a traditional service its tough to get things like this type of unit moving even though I'm sure many have wanted it for a while.
The main reason they messed up in Afghanistan is because the people in Afghanistan dress the same, civilians, Al-Qaeda insurgents, and Taliban insurgents all look pretty close to the same. If they make an agressive move they take action, their trained that way. And MarSOC, Force Recon, Navy SEALs, Army Rangers, EOD, Green Berets and pretty much any other Special Operations Forces are all trained the same way, just with different weapons and equipment. And they all rely on each other!!!!
what do you have to do to become a member of this? i want to join the marines and eventually do this but i wanna know how long it would take to do this
@chunxmkgee check the MARSOC website, but you have to be enlisted, at least an E4 (Cpl), meet all the medical requirements, first class PFT/CFT, have a few years left on your contract to serve the obligated 5 years, they're makin it an MOS now though, so I'm not sure what will change, be hot shit, and submit a package through your chain of command. Basically join the Marines and be hot shit. I know they're still trying to get their numbers up now.
Couldnt do that helicopter shit would kill me. made through boot and mct that was tough enough im not doing anyother training ill lift ill run ill low crawl to keep my self in shape but not any of that MarSOC stuff
@MRRA1STL1N I keep correcting people on this. Marines are the best trained regular force, not to be compared against special forces. The Marine Corps does have its special forces as well but people are too ignorant to know even what their own country has.
@MRRA1STL1N chances are the marines you hear teamed up with rangers are mostly like force recon or the expeditionary unit. Either way those are the elite marines
@chunxmkgee They reciently stood up the companies again. they just folded them to meet time constraints set by the DOD. I think they're still in the process of manning them.
are you implying that army rangers are on par with USMC force reconnaissance? they are not, you clearly don't understand the role of either entity. The Rangers are an airborne light infantry unit, regiment-sized, and are employed in that capacity. Force Reconnaissance Marines are a small company-sized element within each Reconnaissance Battalion (of which there are four), these Marines are hand-picked from the already elite Reconnaissance Battalions.
@EG0SUMDEUS force recon go into the battlefield before the main force and run recon on the enemy. There not hand picked from any elite recon battalions...
@andrademeza EG0SUMDEUS had it right. observing the enemy is just one of force recons mission. its not all they do you wierdo. and yeah, pretty much have to be picked from recon bn. and those motherfuckers are already pretty crazy. what do you know about it?
@andrademeza you are incorrect, while Force Recon is capable of performing special reconnaissance, they are generally attatched to a Marine Air-Ground Task Force (MAGTF) hence the name 'Force' Recon and delegated a range of missions from Direct Action to Counter Insurgency. You're describing the mission of the 4 Reconnaissance Battalions (battalion-sized element), which are not Force Reconnaissance (company-sized element).
furthermore, Force Recon (which is not the same as MARSOC) is more on par with elite units like DEVGRU, and Delta Force. The reason Rangers are often compared with the Marine Infantry is that apart from their airborne capability (which infantry Marines may possess) they are employed in a similar fashion, on a similar scale.
@MRRA1STL1N . too many people have the misconception that rangers are a highly elite SF unit. when they are not. im sure theyre good guys who take care of business. but theyre nowhere near being on par with force recon. marine grunts are pretty friggin bloodthirsty. and i'd put my money on marine grunts over rangers any day.
@MRRA1STL1N nope it shouldnt. as basic marines, we get the same degree of combat training as army rangers. marine infantry gets better training. force recon doesnt exist anymore, it has been integrated in to marsoc and falls under socom now. recon units still exist but they are the normal marine recon, not force.
@cummins24421 dont even mention basic training cause it wont realy matter. Eventhough I am going into the USMC , the best training is being deployed getting field experience and you just cant compare USMC 4-8 month deployments to Army 16-19 Months. The Army boot is easier but they gain so much more field experience due to being deployed longer. Just a FACT.
@VBH8888 would you like to know how many of my friends died on a joint patrol with a more "field experienced" army platoon? they operate much differently, as youll learn. for example, when army is ambushed, they are trained to take cover and call for support. we are trained to charge the heaviest concentration of enemies and take the position. basic marines are trained to do that. non-combat soldiers barely learn how to shoot a rifle.
First I highly doubt you are a Marine. Second there is no comparison, 88% of civilian recruits will pass USMC Boot, and very very few will wash out after that. In contrast the entrance into the Ranger Batts requires the passage of RASP, of which only 40% of trained soldiers will succeed and even after that a good number will washout. The 75th Ranger Regiment has one of the harshest day to day training regimens in the military, only specialized Marine units(like Recon) compare.
@cummins24421 Comparing a 0311 to a Ranger is stupid, Rangers are easily better. Over 90% of Marines make it through Boot Camp and SOI. Rangers go through Basic, OSUT, Airborne School (82nd Airborne > 0311), then RASP. If they pass RASP and make it into the 75th Ranger Regiment, they can go to Ranger School to further training, also staying in the 75th is extremely challenging due to the amount of training they do in their units. 50% pass Ranger School, 33% pass Ranger School. Force Recon exist.
@cummins24421 basic marines do not get the same degree of training as rangers marines and other branches get sen tto ranger school because its the best leadership course and infantry course the army has to offer
no lies brah. I havent said anything that isn't easily available knowledge. for the record, since you asked. Navy. If you have any problem with what I have said, come over to the terminal lance forums and air out your problems there.
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Marines were brought into Fallujah to do a job because it was infested with insurgents and the army couldn't/wouldn't get it done. Simple as that. Saying the Marines screwed up the Army's perfect handling of the situation is like saying the Army is totally to blame for getting their asses kicked in Mogadishu (blackhawk down) after the Marine Corps handed it off to them completely under control. Different missions, different techniques.
dscottyoung1 1 week ago
Marines were brought into Fallujah to do a job because it was infested with insurgents and the army couldn't/wouldn't get it done. Simple as that. Saying the Marines screwed up the Army's perfect handling of the situation is like saying the Army is totally to blame for getting their asses kicked in Mogadishu (blackhawk down) after the Marine Corps handed it off to them completely under control. Different missions, different techniques.
dscottyoung1 1 week ago
Funny how everyone uses the Marine Corps as the standard by which all others are measured. Of course a USMC boot camp graduate is not at the same level as a SEAL or even a Ranger. But I'll guarantee that he is at a higher level than someone comming out of Army or Navy boot camp. Marines have a higher bar to start with. They go to the same special schools as other branches after that. Marines are routinely honor graduates from Ranger school, airborne, etc...
dscottyoung1 1 week ago
@dscottyoung1 Thank you for giving credit were credits do and not going on a side. They all do different jobs for the same reason. :)
1HUNDREDB 5 days ago
dislikes are from the families of dead enemies :)
devildog0033 2 weeks ago
The elite units of the United States military operate in JSOC. That's Army 1'st SFOD-D and Navy DEVGRU.
MARSOC got kicked out of JSOC for killing civilians. Google "Task Force Violence".
SteelCityDucati 1 month ago
@SteelCityDucati You're right about CAG and DevGru being elite, but Marsoc is not a part of JSOC, it's a part of SOCOM which includes all the regular Seal Teams, SF, and Rangers along with CCT and PJ's.
seekliberation 3 weeks ago in playlist Marsoc
@SteelCityDucati
MARSOC never had a JSOC unit to begin with and still don't...They were kicked out of Afghanistan, but are still in SOCOM. Nowadays, they are welcome additions to special operations, sort of like a happy medium between Special Forces and SEALs.
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1HUNDREDB 5 days ago
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@SitRepful Buddy No one knows what units or training they go through now because Marsoc changed it and are not letting the public know about their routines. They were never kicked out of Afghanistan, they just failed their first operation with the Seals on that joint op. Marine Corps never believed in SOCOM and were the first special forces but didn't be a part of socom until recently and were classified as special operations capable. Yet Recon did carry out special ops aka the best missions.
1HUNDREDB 5 days ago
@1HUNDREDB
No. I work with special operations and have met MARSOC operators, and while they are good dudes, it is no secret that they were kicked out country. But don't take my word for it.
"When the Marines were kicked out of Afghanistan on April 3 by Army Lt. Gen. Frank Kearney, the top special operations commander in the theater, the Army apologized for the Marines’ behavior, paid compensation to the victims’ families and tried to put the events behind them." -MCT
SitRepful 4 days ago
@SitRepful 1. Your an ignorant phony whos name is sitrepful, your name already states your a fake call of duty veteran-If you work with spec ops I want you to prove that, Name, your Mos, serial number, and what unit are your in. And if you buy in to media propaganda and bullshit your a fucking idiot to.MCT- I mean for gods sake they have advertisements of fake combat pants on that website and you expect me to think thats reliable!? You've got to be kidding me.
1HUNDREDB 4 days ago
@SitRepful Another thing, if you work with spec ops and have met MARSOC operators then why the hell are you getting information from a website!? "Marine Corps Times"
First, reporters still call Marines soldiers for one thing and just want a story. Thats just how they get paid. They don't care if the story's made up. They don't even give the name of the source, they just call it the source.
How do you expect me to believe any of what your saying!?
You don't make sense, your source is unreliable!
1HUNDREDB 4 days ago
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@SitRepful "Army Lt. Gen. Frank Kearney, the top special operations commander in the theater"!? You watch to many movies and play to many video games.
1. "Army Lt. Gen" OOOHHH SO YOU CAN BE A LT AND A GEN AT THE SAME TIME-DF!? You can't even get your ranks right!
2. " the top special operations commander in the theater" What theater!? The movie theater? Because that must be the place you go to get your facts.
1HUNDREDB 4 days ago
@SitRepful 3."the Army apologized for the Marines’ behavior" that operation didn't involve any Army personnel! It was a joint op with the Navy Seals!
1HUNDREDB 4 days ago
@1HUNDREDB
lol. u mad.
SitRepful 4 days ago
@SitRepful no, just annoyed-you need to learn how to lie
1HUNDREDB 4 days ago
@SitRepful u troll
1HUNDREDB 4 days ago
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trying out for some special ops when im out of high school, im debating betwen trying out for SEALs, MARSOC, and marine force recon, any opinions?
csakal18 2 months ago
@ everyone. Force Reconnaissance is still very much in existence. I was playing cards with them a week ago.
EdwardJY0351 2 months ago
The music is out of place esp at the end.
kingboss9000 2 months ago
Yea i thought that was fishy man, cuz i asked my dad and he said that they are still recon
MrChestypuller1775 3 months ago
There is a difference between Division Recon and Force Recon in the Marine Corps. They have slightly different missions. Div Recon supports MEU's. Force Recon is allowed more freedom and is(was) not directly attached to a MEU. Force Recon's trigger pullers got put into MARSOC's 1st and 2nd Battalions.
If anyone thinks Div Recon no longer exists they need to pull their head out of their ass and go to BRC.
For the record, MARSOC is not part of JSOC either it is under USSOCOM.
1998altima 3 months ago
so its still recon but with a different name i guess we'll never understand until we are there am i right
MrMonkeygorilla 4 months ago 2
Every Military video I go on, there's always some hot headed Jarhead comparing himself to a special operations force.
FUNNY STUFF
MikeZutch 4 months ago
What is the difference between MARSOC and RECON?
MrChestypuller1775 4 months ago
@MrChestypuller1775
recon doesnt exist anymore, its called marsoc from february 24st 2006 on
Jebotito 4 months ago
@Jebotito what do you mean? its not called recon
MrChestypuller1775 4 months ago
@MrChestypuller1775
force recon, the special forces of the marines doesnt exist. marines decided to send troops for the socom program, and all force recon marines were reassigned in the so called marsoc programm. check my answer to killerbeau95 (the top comment, i described it very detailed ;)
semper fi bro
Jebotito 4 months ago
@Jebotito Oh gotcha... I wish they kept it Force Recon lol even though im not in the Corps yet..
MrChestypuller1775 4 months ago
Marsoc is comprised of BARELY special operations capable forces. Drug kicking and screaming into the group by top brass
sarge727 4 months ago
So let me get this right they aren't called "Recon" Marines anymore? There called "MARSOC" Marines? Anyone wanna clarify this please?
killerbeau95 5 months ago 7
@killerbeau95 Yes.....It's MARSOC now!
enaronch 5 months ago
@killerbeau95 The Recon Battalions still exist, and are organic to the MAGTF. Force Recon was rolled into MARSOC, and MARSOC now provides the capabilities once served by Force Recon, as well as an additional set of skill sets.
Khan004 5 months ago
@killerbeau95 Recon has traditionally bridged the gap between SOCOM and the Marine Corps. Being a SOF capable force they were often asked to accomplish "less traditional" missions in lieu of another SOCOM unit. The Marine Corps believs that EVERY Marine is special, and that the Force Recon was a decent compromise.
WickedNic24 5 months ago
@killerbeau95 In order to increase the size of the Special Operations community SecDef Rumsfeld demanded the Marine Corps stop resisting and provide a unit consisting of Marines for SOCOM. The Army has Green Berets and Rangers, the Navy has SEALS, the Air Force has ParaRescue, each service had a unit with a presence with the United States Special Operations Command.
WickedNic24 5 months ago
@killerbeau95 In order to increase the size of the Special Operations community SecDef Rumsfeld demanded the Marine Corps stop resisting and provide a unit consisting of Marines for SOCOM. The Army has Green Berets and Rangers, the Navy has SEALS, the Air Force has ParaRescue, each service had a unit with a presence with the United States Special Operations Command.
WickedNic24 5 months ago
@killerbeau95 When the Marine Corps allowed for the formation of MARSOC it drew heavily on the ALREADY certified and capable Force Recon community. MARSOC is a new and rapidly changing unit within the Marine Corps. It has a split personality (SOCOM warfare vs. 230+ years of USMC tradition). It has changed tremendously since it's creation in 2005 and will probably look even more different in 5 more years.
WickedNic24 5 months ago
@killerbeau95 No they are two entirely different units.
sarge727 4 months ago
@killerbeau95
There are Recon Marines still, as well as MARSOC.
MikeZutch 4 months ago
@killerbeau95 actually force recon still exists they are for intellegence gathering and striking and MARSOC is like the SEALS....just badass killas
MarineForceRecon1BN 4 months ago
@MarineForceRecon1BN
hehe get ur fact right brother... force recon is cancled. all these marines are put into the marsoc unit.
its the MC SOCOM program. under MC SOCOM (or MARSOC) there is: Marine Special Operations Regiment (MSOR) , Marine Special Operations Support Group (MSOG) , Marine Special Operations Intelligence Battalion (MSOIB, MIB) and the Marine Special Operations School (MSOS). the MIB is for intelligence. some call it the fate of the force recon, maybe thats what u meant
Jebotito 4 months ago
@Jebotito No they're not. You are greatly misinformed my friend. RECON is still alive and active MARSOC is a completely different pipeline and thier selection process also differs from that of Marine RECON.
LikeAstraightBOSS 3 months ago
@killerbeau95
FORCE RECON marines are no more. All these FR marines were put the the MARSOC unit.
USSOCOM wanted Special Forces Units form the Navy, the Army and the airforce. everyone sent their best troops - only the marines werent. so the SOCOM guys tried to convince the former marine commander to send his best too, to provide a wider varity of special forces units specialized in counter terrorist and counter hostage situations too. marines finally agreed to form up a new unit: MARSOC
Jebotito 4 months ago
@Jebotito And before you reply to anything, I AM an ACTIVE-DUTY hospital corpsman in the Navy going to RECON training in a couple months, so I do know what the fuck I am talking about.
LikeAstraightBOSS 3 months ago
@killerbeau95 They still have Recon Marines. Recon Marines are kind of equivalent (in a mission and tier group base) of Army Rangers. MARSOC was implemented to become a part of JSOC (Joint Special Operations Command).
LikeAstraightBOSS 3 months ago
@killerbeau95 There still exist elite Marine Corps Force Recon. MARSOC might be called, 'super elite'. SOG SoF.
furious1965 3 months ago
@killerbeau95 There still is a Force Recon.
KitamusPrime 1 month ago
@killerbeau95 Gladly.....recon marines and MARSOC are two different but similar SOF'S.
limacharlie6 3 weeks ago
@killerbeau95 lets say that recon marines are rangers on steroids and marsoc is green berets on steroids
luis545x39 2 weeks ago
@killerbeau95
Recon marines are seperate from SOF marines.
DivRecon do reconnaisance at the battalion level. Recon for the MAGTF essentially.
ForceRecon are recon marines attached to the task force commander.
MARSOC was created from Force Recon. Force recon used to seperated into Reconnaissance and Direct Action elements. The direct action elements were taken to form MARSOC. Force Recon still exists, however their purpose is purely reconnaissance now, only gathering intelligence.
SitRepful 1 week ago
@killerbeau95 yess! force recon does not exist anymore its now marsoc
wizkhalifaufc 1 week ago
@wizkhalifaufc Force Recon doest still exist. They fall under MEFs, MEU(SOC)s and MSPFs as Force Recon Platoons or Direct Action Platoons. Also, 3rd and 4th Force Recon Co are reserve Force Recon units.
GunRun13 5 days ago
@GunRun13 so when marsoc isnt recon right? i read other comment that force recon got reasigned then a new program opened up called marsoc so i guess i was wrong i thought force recon had joined marsoc.
wizkhalifaufc 1 day ago
@killerbeau95 Force Recon merged with SOCOM and are now called MARSOC, there is still Recon
MrSoulTracker9 6 days ago
@killerbeau95 very similar. marsoc pretty much adopted recon, now they do both force recon and reconassance
swordsallday 5 days ago
@killerbeau95
Recon Marines still exist. Marsoc and recon marines serve two different purposes.
SitRepful 4 days ago
@killerbeau95 marsoc was created by recon. Recon are special operations capable (just like the 75th rangers) while MARSOC are actual special operations forces. The USMC wanted a special operations forces group just like the USA (green berets/delta), USAF (pj, cct, tacp), and USN (seals, swcc, eod), so that's why the USMC now has MARSOC.
Eirik36 3 days ago
@killerbeau95 Recon marines and marsoc are two different things. they are two sub units in the marine corp
MrArgon600 1 day ago
i want to apologize to all my fellow brothers & sisters (marines) for making an ass of myself. you know everyone fights for who is better but it doesnt matter, were all together & fighting under the same flag. im proud to serve with my fellow airman, marines, soldiers & sailors! once again im SORRY my fellow brothers. i say this cause i saw marines stick up for soldiers after dumbass soulja bitch insulted us. but thanks guys, stay safe & fight hard. SUA SPONTE!!!
jabolyn 6 months ago
btw u morons sound like u have testastedrome steroid problems. dont get offended. u know how retarded u sound saying u run 11 mins 2 miles??? u sound like ur full of shit, all u dudes say u run 3 miles in 18 mins than u turn around and fail on a military course where a fat ARMY chick out do ur elite super hardcore own intestine eater robocop marine that slaps god & shits on the devil. u can claim whatever u want, regardless u will always be nothing more than a shadow. btw i TOO beat up recon guy
jabolyn 6 months ago
@steelgrunge.....lmao. ur too funny, iwo jima??? u fought sailors, with lil to no ammo, no air support, no armor, & the marines outnumber them by twice the size, 50k vs 25k yea that mustve been valorous!!! i know history buddy thats why i dont buy into marine corp propaganda. the only reason iwo jima was even consider a battle was because jarheads got complacent, got ambush & torn the fuck up. imagine if that was a real ARMY like germany there wouldnt be any marines. go run ur 3 miles 28 mins!!!
jabolyn 6 months ago
You're better what a joke whoa wow i can't believe someone with rediculous training that i just went to for jump school with rangers that have no discipline and their training is a joke has the balls to say their better you guys are jokes.
paigesm1 6 months ago
I dont wanna hear how much better your training is lets look at your minimal joke run time or your minimal joke push ups "wow so hard omg" or your joke minimal sit ups, that fact is we are in better shape we respect our rank structure we are not fat bodies like you are walking around wasting space. We have rougher living conditions because we can handle it we have the weapons we have because we can shoot a target on point not like your "can't miss targets" with a black spot to hit
paigesm1 6 months ago
All i have to say is we beat the shit out of 15 bitch ass Rangers in Savannah so regardless of your training that u supposively go through and your ridiculous drill instructors that sound like moms asking a kid to clean their room or you "tough sleeping quarters on deployement" that are a joke because u fags need to live like your home or the fact that chesty puller was quoting when a pussy army officer asked him were the retreat line was saying to his marines if they retreat shoot them.
paigesm1 6 months ago
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paigesm1 6 months ago
Secure the trollin'
Blatnick192 6 months ago
its not shit, its fact!!! its called HISTORY not marine history!
jabolyn 6 months ago
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wtf does it it took u a month for what??? to realize you like men???
jabolyn 6 months ago
i just found an interesting article. 50,000 marines invaded iwo jima against 20,700 japs. the difference is in equipment, marines had issue over a year a couple of tons of equipment including ammo, japs only 300 hundred pounds. dont believe me guys & girls, look it up.
jabolyn 6 months ago
@jabolyn it took less than a month dick head, and i did look it up
F1stFullofAss 6 months ago
@jabolyn Stop talking shit about the marines.
tom1yum2goong 6 months ago
@fatbastard.....thats just your normal marine puttin himself on a pedestal. you guys know why marines always cry about ARMY has better equipment then they do??? cause they belong to the dept. of the NAVY, & the NAVY feels is more important to spend 12 billion dollars on a new ship then give them any funds. dont be mad guys, BTW you guys also have equipment that if it breaks your F"ed not just the ARMY.
jabolyn 6 months ago
All US forces are BROTHERS in arms and should respect each other. Forget about what others have done first and whatnot, don't be childish. When in a conflict you will have to rely on one another. Competition is good. Bickering like high school girls is not.
willthrill94 6 months ago 22
@willthrill94 agreed, if it were not for our forces working together we would of never had that D day landing, we would of never had Midway, or anything. sure some guys get better equipment or better training or even the most dangerous jobs, but remember this all of our men in combat are doing a dangerous job, no matter what they are, normal grunt or a special operations guy that has next gen equipment, they are all patriots and all true men, GOD BLESS AMERICA, GOD BLESS AMERICA'S ALLIES
sniperpistol50 5 months ago
@omgzombie......army"s pt test minimun is 2 miles 15:16, 2 mins 47 push ups, 2 mins 49 sit ups. thats still more than what marine ask for, thats minimun, zombie you wanna go perfect, 2 miles 12 mins. push ups 78. sit ups 80+. nothing big but its minimun still is more demanding. so whats the big deal. when i used to go running with my company we ran 6 miles did dips & pull ups before running. average was 15 pull ups, not a big deal.
jabolyn 6 months ago
@omgzombie.....i dont need to do no research DAWG!!! its simple once again gayrines exploiting theyre shit, your trying to tell me that every or most marines get a perfect score??? most marines thrived on the minimun score period, which is 28 mins 3 mile, minimun 3 pulls ups 2 mins & minimun 40 crunches 2 mins, your talking out of your ass. most gayrines will tell you they run 3 miles 18 mins, take theyre asses on a run & they do 3 miles around 26 mins, slow slow slow. i run 2 miles in 12:56
jabolyn 6 months ago
@jabolyn ok bitch no one ever does 26 min 3 mile if they did they would be on remedial pt the slowest i've ever even see is like 23 mins beside your run time ain't bitch I can run 2 miles in 11 mins
steelgrunge 6 months ago
@jabolyn Do your research dawg, the minimum on the 3 mile is 28 mins a perfect score is 18 mins, a perfect on the pull ups is 20 and perfect on the crunches is 2 minutes.
OMGitsazombie 6 months ago
BTW i dont know why gayrines exploit themselves for every little thing, WWII iwo jima, whoo hoo, you fought sailors that had 1 tank regiment, infantry with no ammo, no air support & less numbers. you guys outnumber them, had constant support from nany artillery, air support ammo, & tanks & u complaint. gay. now fallujah, 1 major battle & all 300,000 marines have been there, lmao. lame. its all right ur commercials & uniforms are pimp
jabolyn 6 months ago
another thing, why do JARheads think their so badass when your fitness test is a fucking joke. 28 mins for 3 miles, thats 9 mins 20 sec a mile, you can walk that. 2 mins for 3 pull ups, 2 mins for 40 crunches, not sit ups, crunches it aint even hard. oh dont 4get shootin at 500 yds targets that dont pop up or move AT ALL, maybe you should go fight & stop guarding embasies.
jabolyn 6 months ago
@stefabio.....really??? hahaha you act like any marine can just whooped anyones ass, i have call them fags & they just walk away cause they know it would go differently here. 2nd rough??? plz you guys act like 90% of boots failed!!! more sailors fail tha navy boot than marine boot. 3rd 3 times fallujah, last time i checked the 82nd handed it to marines secured & they lost it under theyre watch. THANK YOU come again. spearheaded what??? commercials??? never has happen, except humanitarian mission
jabolyn 6 months ago
BTW, SOCOM has three tiers. At the top are units like Devgru and Delta. In tier two you have formations like the Navy Seals, Army Special Forces and MARSOC among some other units. Finally there is a third tier with support units and the 75th Ranger Regiment. No the 75th does not compare to MARSOC, the members here receive much more extensive training.
rekke41 6 months ago
i respect both bro, my cousin was in the marines, he was killed nov 6 2005, RIP SSG fulp, 1st marines
jabolyn 6 months ago
cover, they take the fight to the enemy. dont be upset cause its true. every time i hear a gayrine comparing something stupid that happen to the ARMY is eithe naty girls or fucking reserves, they suck. try 82nd 101st, 10th, 1st id, 3rd id, real units, yes we got them, all your hear from them is MOH & silver stars, yes we got all of them too. dont hate brah, i know the truth, i work for triple canopy as a direct action operator & seen both in action, never seen poor performance from the army
jabolyn 6 months ago
@jabolyn Marines too rough for you? And Gayrines, really? Grow up. Insulting one branch doesn't make the others better, they all fight for the same reasons and depend on one another so have some respect and pull your head out of your ass. It's a fact the the Marines are the spearhead of the US Military, they're the first to fight. Marines took Fallujah 3 times, twice because the Army couldn't failed to hold it. I dare you to call a Marine gay to his face, you'll get your fucking head ripped off.
Stefano5441 6 months ago
@cummingfullofcuminhismouth......army snipers have always beat gayrines bro, is fact, COD comeback really?? shows ur high level of education. yes ARMY has more experienced, in most wars when gayrines are strugglin with folks like iwo jima, army is kicking ass in europe, africa, & guadacanal, yes they ARE more proven, stop believing your own commercials. 1st to fight never has happen. & dude withe the "my plt got kill" your so full of shit. must been an entire marine platoon. btw army doesnt take
jabolyn 6 months ago
@jabolyn lmfao kicked ass must i remind you we took iwo jima bitch we took guadacanal and in korea when your two dogface army divisions got destroyed why is it that a battalion of marines saved your asses fucking idiots can't even tell who's who in country with more blue on blue than anyone else and if you would know anything about history you would know that the marines have been around since 1776 during the revolutionary war we don't bitch about equipment we get shit done with what we got
steelgrunge 6 months ago
also people recon the greenies and seals all take stuff from each other and they get along so dont try and compare the 2 they all do diffrent misssons so ya stop bitching but i am goin to say as in sniipers marines have been known to have the best
shadowlexXx1214 6 months ago
@GscottS16. They do it on a day to day basis
XxKurtBxX 7 months ago
Does anybody know how often these guys train on their tactics and with weapons?
GscottS16 7 months ago
@eric......amen bro, no 1 is better than CAG or DEVGRU!!!! tier 1 operators, this guys high on steroids & testasterome think theyre better. pppffffttttt
jabolyn 7 months ago
"this is why socom trains at camp pendleton" lmao. if they do is cause theyre using your land for some reason, 2nd it depends on socom unit where they train, most likely your referring to seals since the marines are sailor infantry it wouldnt surprise me. thats like saying thats why marines train in ARMY schools, ariborne, ranger, s.e.r.e & so forth, you keep stepping on your own dick BOOT.
jabolyn 7 months ago
everybody knows that 1st SFOD-D(aka "Delta Force") and Naval Special Warfare Development Group (aka "SEAL Team 6") are more elite that MARSOC
ericinghammontevista 7 months ago
@phxx650......btw marines shoot at 500 yds not meters, 2nd marines dont shoot at moving targets, we both know those are still targets (easy) ARMY shoot up to 300m at moving targets from standing, kneeling, sittin, & prone position. dont give me the whole better shooters simply on myth, ill bring facts, the ARMY has won most top sniper competition when competing against marine sniper school instruction, recon BN, & field tested marine snipers. can i get a double HUH HUH???
jabolyn 7 months ago
@jabolyn marines have the best snipers good sir dont talk about military if ur not in it and if u are in the military then u should know
shadowlexXx1214 6 months ago
@phrxx....thats myth, bring actual proof. a recon marine i personally knew got demoted when he went from marine to ARMY, lost his sgt & was give spc rank. like i said pure myth not actual proof, just like the stress cards, just like marines are 1st to fight (lol)
jabolyn 7 months ago
This is why SOCOM Trains at camp Pendelton.
phxxr650r 7 months ago
Is MARSOC the same as Recon?
helmet122 7 months ago
special air service, it was founded as i recall during ww2 to fight against rommel, my great uncle was in the desert rats dude, stop the mouthing off, SAS sets the standard for more others to follow, i would put the average uk royal marine up against these guys lols, the sas are far from pussys and i would love to see you call one a pussy to his face lols in fact i would pay good money to see this lulz!
avfx 7 months ago
@bradyballer......have you ever been trough SAS or SBS trainning??? you sure talk hard like you have & past it with flying colors!! relax, i understand you like marsoc cock but relax, its someones opinion, you dont gotta go & try to forcefully make make like GAYrines!!!
jabolyn 7 months ago
@cumming2421.......look guy you are hilarious, "as basic marines you get the same kind of trainning as ARMY RANGERS" you obviously believed what your recruiter, DI & commercial say!!! rofl, you guys think your better fighters then UFC fighters, you can beat chuck norris or kick the hell out of an alligator without weapons. get real you all are alright not elite, maybe in te corps ur elite but not compare to the rest of the world where it matters! go & try to get inside a RANGER BN & findout!!!!
jabolyn 7 months ago
@jabolyn just look at the range that they shoot at Marines train at 500 meters, Army at 300. you cant go to marines after Army with out ferther training. But a marine can go to any branch anytime. AND keep there rank. So tell me again that Army training is the same??
phxxr650r 7 months ago
@jabolyn lol always jealous
cummins24421 6 months ago
lets see marine recon & force recon are not part of SOCOM RANGERS & SF are. MARSOC is part of socom but not combat proven, they got kicked out of trashghanistan! Recon marines are more like ARMY PATHFINDERS, MEU is more like 101st & 82nd airborne the only difference is the ARMY units has been proven in combat longer than the marine units have. not trying to bash the marines but im simply putting facts up. you guys have a wonderful day.
jabolyn 7 months ago
@jabolyn lol dude ur a joke these arnt the facts at all do some more research lol army been proven in combat longer lol jesus its kids like u get off the call of futy adn wikipedia kid jesus
shadowlexXx1214 6 months ago
Hardrod8 is just an SAS fanboy but if he knew shit he would know that the SAS are pussies to these guys. AND QUIT comparine normal marines to the secret squirrels (delta force) and the rangers. THOSE are SPECIAL FORCES the normal marines are not so compare rangers to MarSOC or Recon.
bradyxxballer 7 months ago
@bradyxxballer yo SAS were one of the first and still one of the best spec ops units in the world bar none
get a grip lols
avfx 7 months ago
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bradyxxballer 7 months ago
@avfx i bet you cant even tell me what SAS stands for, if you knew then you would know why they are pussies compared to these guys. They can't do half of what MarSOC can do.
bradyxxballer 7 months ago
you can compare regular marines more to 101st or 10th mountain division. Rangers are far above Marines and i mean those with Ranger Scroll not the tap. But I think Marine Recon is equal to Rangers but they both have different missions. And SF you can compare to Force Recon. But dont bad mouth or this training is harder or this and that. They both do very different types of missions.
VBH8888 7 months ago
@VBH8888 lol reg army soilders lol comon a grunt is like a seal compared to them lol
shadowlexXx1214 6 months ago
rangers are to spec ops you tard they get the SF ring GTFO
SwiftGodSpeed 8 months ago
@CAallday209 woowoowoo dude don't get hotheaded u seriously compared a marine GRUNT to a RANGER...u must be trippin...I know marines are an elite fighting force but they don't have as much traing as Rangers...and people please stop saying rangers are special forces
..they're not
ftp81 8 months ago
@ftp81 kk ya the grunts arnt as skilled as rangers but our force recon is and dont get me started on snipers
shadowlexXx1214 6 months ago
no. army rangers ain't shit compared to Force Recon
claysteez714 8 months ago
I used to live in Camp Legeune on base with my Father
He's a SGT MAJ
Now we live off base in a different state
GhostForces77 9 months ago
Recon is now Marine Special Operations Regiment.
AmphibiousReconMSOB 9 months ago
@AmphibiousReconMSOB No it isn't. Though Marine Special Operations Command recruited almost exclusively from Force Reconnaissance companies, they still exist. There are 2 active duty Recon Battalions, each with 1 Force Reconnaissance Company. Marine Special Operations Regiment did not replace Force Recon, however it did in a way take one of it's primary jobs as the go-to direct action unit. I was a Force Reconnaissance Marine from 5th (Scout-Sniper) Platoon 1st Recon Bn for one cycle in '05.
oOChaosWolfOo 9 months ago
@oOChaosWolfOo
thats rad,didn't know that am prior service with air guard and hope switchin my little bro is an grunt in your branch he signed for recon but they put him in meu.My hope is to at least make it in infantry before everything gets taken , how long was the waiting process for recon,and was there allot of people in your class that got picked for the mos
AmphibiousReconMSOB 9 months ago
@AmphibiousReconMSOB FORCON is I MEU(SOC) or Marine Expeditionary Unit Special Operations Capable
You have to volunteer for BRC (Basic Recon Course) to go 0321 and it can take over a year to cycle through all the training courses, but i was recomended about the time training started so i didn't need to wait long before training.
There were about 55 Marines who started the course from selection and processing, and between half and one third made it through. The training was pretty vigorous.
oOChaosWolfOo 9 months ago
@AmphibiousReconMSOB I actually surprisingly had a harder time in Scout-Sniper school because it was more about intelligence and patiance than physical muscle memory. Less than 1/3 of my class graduated from SSBC, but after going through the Advance Sniper course and Team Leaders course, everything seemed a bit easier, even BRC and the Company's MTP. Those are mostly meant as the shock force to show what missions may be like, the real training starts after the Basics.
oOChaosWolfOo 9 months ago
@AmphibiousReconMSOB No, Just, no. I dont know why you decided to make that your name as you are clearly not a part of recon or MARSOC. Recon and Force Recon still exist, Marsoc is simply a different unit that belongs to USSOCOM and not the commandant of the marine corps.
EG0SUMDEUS 9 months ago
98% of the comments here are by fucking civilians who dont know jack shit. so members of the us armed forces just ignore the stupidity here and leave it be. theres no point in getting involved in this bull shit with "whos better".
ZAC2994 9 months ago
As Marines are known for their toughness and longer bootcamp and hardest bootcamp I'm sure this marsoc will be rough and tough and squared away. The force recon community has always been a good group of professional warriors now the Marines have just added to that with the addition of marsoc which is very highly specialized like seals,and Greene berets.
shootload1911 9 months ago
As far as the similarities between green berets and marsoc, they are clear but so is the similarities between all special forces in the u.s. military .whether seals or force recon or green berets now Marines have their own version of that type of specialized highly trained group. It's been a long time in coming but the Marine corps is such a traditional service its tough to get things like this type of unit moving even though I'm sure many have wanted it for a while.
shootload1911 9 months ago
The real enemy here is the music
redhcp101 9 months ago
@Chroma2021 Ok just making sure you do man, JSOC does alot for Delta
MrOhiostateboy 9 months ago
@Chroma2021 Do you know what jsoc is?
MrOhiostateboy 9 months ago
The main reason they messed up in Afghanistan is because the people in Afghanistan dress the same, civilians, Al-Qaeda insurgents, and Taliban insurgents all look pretty close to the same. If they make an agressive move they take action, their trained that way. And MarSOC, Force Recon, Navy SEALs, Army Rangers, EOD, Green Berets and pretty much any other Special Operations Forces are all trained the same way, just with different weapons and equipment. And they all rely on each other!!!!
bradyxxballer 10 months ago
what do you have to do to become a member of this? i want to join the marines and eventually do this but i wanna know how long it would take to do this
chunxmkgee 11 months ago
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MrCdshover 10 months ago
@chunxmkgee check the MARSOC website, but you have to be enlisted, at least an E4 (Cpl), meet all the medical requirements, first class PFT/CFT, have a few years left on your contract to serve the obligated 5 years, they're makin it an MOS now though, so I'm not sure what will change, be hot shit, and submit a package through your chain of command. Basically join the Marines and be hot shit. I know they're still trying to get their numbers up now.
MrCdshover 10 months ago
Couldnt do that helicopter shit would kill me. made through boot and mct that was tough enough im not doing anyother training ill lift ill run ill low crawl to keep my self in shape but not any of that MarSOC stuff
UTsaprtan223 1 year ago
Why is it always marines and army rangers shouldn't it be rangers and force recon?
MRRA1STL1N 1 year ago 11
@MRRA1STL1N I keep correcting people on this. Marines are the best trained regular force, not to be compared against special forces. The Marine Corps does have its special forces as well but people are too ignorant to know even what their own country has.
Alk3mist85 1 year ago
@MRRA1STL1N chances are the marines you hear teamed up with rangers are mostly like force recon or the expeditionary unit. Either way those are the elite marines
harleyqslovechild88 1 year ago
@MRRA1STL1N If Marines all had to go to jump school what would be the diff?lol
RebelliousPatriot 11 months ago
@MRRA1STL1N i thought force recon was disbanded. i thought they just merged them with MARSOC
chunxmkgee 11 months ago
@chunxmkgee They reciently stood up the companies again. they just folded them to meet time constraints set by the DOD. I think they're still in the process of manning them.
catchthedemon 11 months ago
@MRRA1STL1N
cuz marines are already so bad ass they cant imagine special ones
fawas92 11 months ago
@MRRA1STL1N
are you implying that army rangers are on par with USMC force reconnaissance? they are not, you clearly don't understand the role of either entity. The Rangers are an airborne light infantry unit, regiment-sized, and are employed in that capacity. Force Reconnaissance Marines are a small company-sized element within each Reconnaissance Battalion (of which there are four), these Marines are hand-picked from the already elite Reconnaissance Battalions.
EG0SUMDEUS 9 months ago
@EG0SUMDEUS force recon go into the battlefield before the main force and run recon on the enemy. There not hand picked from any elite recon battalions...
andrademeza 9 months ago
@andrademeza EG0SUMDEUS had it right. observing the enemy is just one of force recons mission. its not all they do you wierdo. and yeah, pretty much have to be picked from recon bn. and those motherfuckers are already pretty crazy. what do you know about it?
CAallday209 9 months ago
@CAallday209 what do i know about it? before you go trying to sound like youre hot shit...what do you know about it?
andrademeza 9 months ago
@andrademeza i asked you first chumpass. and i know plenty. i did my time. you got time in?
CAallday209 9 months ago
@CAallday209 "i asked you first chumpass." okay, i didnt know we were back in 5th grade....
andrademeza 9 months ago
@andrademeza sidetrack bullshit. you're the one who repeated the question instead of answering. and i did answer so...end of convo?
CAallday209 9 months ago
@CAallday209 lol you dont need my permission to end convo, you can do it anytime by not replying to this reply.
andrademeza 8 months ago
@andrademeza bwahaha.
CAallday209 8 months ago
@CAallday209 yes i concur bwahahaha
andrademeza 8 months ago
@andrademeza you are incorrect, while Force Recon is capable of performing special reconnaissance, they are generally attatched to a Marine Air-Ground Task Force (MAGTF) hence the name 'Force' Recon and delegated a range of missions from Direct Action to Counter Insurgency. You're describing the mission of the 4 Reconnaissance Battalions (battalion-sized element), which are not Force Reconnaissance (company-sized element).
You are simply mistaken or misinformed.
EG0SUMDEUS 9 months ago
@MRRA1STL1N
furthermore, Force Recon (which is not the same as MARSOC) is more on par with elite units like DEVGRU, and Delta Force. The reason Rangers are often compared with the Marine Infantry is that apart from their airborne capability (which infantry Marines may possess) they are employed in a similar fashion, on a similar scale.
EG0SUMDEUS 9 months ago
@MRRA1STL1N . too many people have the misconception that rangers are a highly elite SF unit. when they are not. im sure theyre good guys who take care of business. but theyre nowhere near being on par with force recon. marine grunts are pretty friggin bloodthirsty. and i'd put my money on marine grunts over rangers any day.
CAallday209 9 months ago
@MRRA1STL1N nope it shouldnt. as basic marines, we get the same degree of combat training as army rangers. marine infantry gets better training. force recon doesnt exist anymore, it has been integrated in to marsoc and falls under socom now. recon units still exist but they are the normal marine recon, not force.
cummins24421 8 months ago 3
@cummins24421 dont even mention basic training cause it wont realy matter. Eventhough I am going into the USMC , the best training is being deployed getting field experience and you just cant compare USMC 4-8 month deployments to Army 16-19 Months. The Army boot is easier but they gain so much more field experience due to being deployed longer. Just a FACT.
VBH8888 7 months ago
@VBH8888 would you like to know how many of my friends died on a joint patrol with a more "field experienced" army platoon? they operate much differently, as youll learn. for example, when army is ambushed, they are trained to take cover and call for support. we are trained to charge the heaviest concentration of enemies and take the position. basic marines are trained to do that. non-combat soldiers barely learn how to shoot a rifle.
cummins24421 6 months ago
@cummins24421 this is true
shadowlexXx1214 6 months ago
@cummins24421
First I highly doubt you are a Marine. Second there is no comparison, 88% of civilian recruits will pass USMC Boot, and very very few will wash out after that. In contrast the entrance into the Ranger Batts requires the passage of RASP, of which only 40% of trained soldiers will succeed and even after that a good number will washout. The 75th Ranger Regiment has one of the harshest day to day training regimens in the military, only specialized Marine units(like Recon) compare.
rekke41 6 months ago
@cummins24421 Comparing a 0311 to a Ranger is stupid, Rangers are easily better. Over 90% of Marines make it through Boot Camp and SOI. Rangers go through Basic, OSUT, Airborne School (82nd Airborne > 0311), then RASP. If they pass RASP and make it into the 75th Ranger Regiment, they can go to Ranger School to further training, also staying in the 75th is extremely challenging due to the amount of training they do in their units. 50% pass Ranger School, 33% pass Ranger School. Force Recon exist.
adcparks 6 months ago
@cummins24421 not true, FORECON does still exist.
wrathofvengance67 6 months ago
@cummins24421 ummmm are you retarded?
soisauce100 4 months ago
@cummins24421 No, coming from some who supports and aspires to be a Marine, you do not get the same amount of training as a Ranger.
TheCrazyItalian14 4 months ago
@cummins24421 basic marines do not get the same degree of training as rangers marines and other branches get sen tto ranger school because its the best leadership course and infantry course the army has to offer
wtfnotorious 4 months ago