"The PROTEST-ANT church"??? Which one? there's 40,000 of them. Out of all of those "churches" (which , by the way, is anti-biblical, because Christ wanted His Church to be one, as He & The Heavenly Father are One) Which one has the deposit of faith? You can't even agree with the 39,999 other "churches" what is "doctrinal" & what isn't. Your message spews hatred and contempt. You won't be able to blame ANYBODY (The Catholic Church, Jews etc.) when you are before the Throne of Christ, alone.
@thebonesy4262 I have read the Bible, Genesis to Revelation...studied the Bible...read what how the early church interpreted the Bible.It is unmistakably Catholic,through and through. It is Protestants who need to read the Bible.
The Protestants are exactly like the Pharisees... you can't do this, you can't do that because it's not in the bible (law)
well lemme tell u something, Jesus did perform miracles on Sabbath, he saved the adulterous woman from getting stone, although in the law it said that one should be stoned if they commit adultery...
Im Catholic my Church was made 33 A.D by Jesus Christ Himself. No other church was founded by Jesus Christ. The bible came from the Roman Catholic Church. In the early Church if you were Christian you WERE Catholic. when was your church founded?
@SuperPjdr You do know the word Catholic in the bible was not referring to your "church" right? The actual Roman Catholic Church which you follow was not founded by Jesus... the references implied by your comment are known to anyone who has truly studied the bible.
BTW... I am Catholic... But I don't just take Father Touch Alots word for it.
I saw Matt Slick at a gym near where I live that I also go to called Genesis gym. He was heavilly flirting with one of the trainers there. He is married and he told the trainer he isn't. The next day I saw him at the gym again. I got there before him and he came in, flirted with the trainer again for nearly an hour and then left. He never touched any of the gym equipment unless you consider the trainer a piece of equipment. Naughty naughty Mr. Slick. You are a married man shame on you!!!!
Please let's not argue over this. In the end, just accept Jesus, and you shall be saved. If you feel that these traditions in Catholicism enhance your relationship with God, then that is great.
This guy has a radio show in his state and a website christians can join. I went on their site and it was full of judgement against RC's and calling the faithful a cult of vanpires. I phoned this man and complained and asked him where he got his doctrine and he told me from some guy he studied with. He told me he was a Christian for about 14 years and this is his ministry. He is not impressive in real time and fumbles to answer questions this Apologetic put to him.
@Timesearch , it is there for all to see, I am a former catholic, thank God I left that dead so called church. Catholic church is pagan through and through.
Mary worship, praying to dead saints, the heresy of their mass, indulgences , crusades and a host of other blasphemous attributes.
There is no difference. The fact that he thinks Catholicism isn't Christianity is sign of his willful ignorance. He is by definition an idiot. Plain and simple. Catholicism is not apostasy. It is a sect of Christianity. If you deny that, you're an idiot. Plain and simple.
Jesus had a pretty straight forward message, no need for all these useless rituals in a church, humans over modify what doesn't need modified as a religion in the Catholic Church.
Oh really? Then why did Jesus himself perform such "useless rituals" and then establish new ones?
Baptism? Communion? Since you most likely are of a group that considers such traditions are merely symbolic and/or as professions of faith: why do them? Why not be consistent and abolish them altogether?
I can open God's Word the bible &read the revealed truths within it but I cannot find any book library church where I can look at & examine these so called apostolic traditions
no one can tell me where they are written down or even give me a basic outline as to what they are
RCC apostolic traditions are just like the kings new clothes non existent non verifiable non biblical & not accessible
Who in their right mind could believe all the garbage RCC teaches & follow the Pope blindly to hell
@daleyboy77 Sorry Philipans doesnt address OSAS Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Timothy mentions nothing about scripture being inspired only useful not the be all end all sorry.
@martlut .............1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Thessalonians 3:6
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
@LifeLibertyLove Correct and the traditions the apostles verbally taught did not contradict what they wrote. The major problem with Catholicism is they try to pawn off their unbiblical man made traditions utilizing these verses of Scripture when their traditions not only contradict sound Biblical teaching but EVEN THEMSELVES!
@LifeLibertyLove Luke 1:47-49, Mary calls GOD savior and herself a servant; catholicism calls mary "mother of god". Rev 19:10 & 22:9 says only bow to GOD not GOD's servants. Catholic Church accepts islam; islam denies Jesus Christ(John 14:6).. Catholicism says mary is the way to Christ, bible says only GOD can deliver you to Christ and only CHRIST can show you the Father (John 6:44;Luke 10:22; Matt 11:27 ). Jesus said call no man "father", catholic priests take the title of "father" (Matt 23:9)
@LifeLibertyLove The Assumption of Mary is an unbiblical tradition which was condemned by one Pope as heresy and centuries later was made binding upon the conscience of all Christians to believe and is now held as "dogma" (necessary for salvation) for all Christians to believe. John the Apostle, who lived after Mary died stated in his gospel "No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man." The tradition both contradicts Scripture and early tradition.
Just want to say keep up the good work my brother. Love your website and want you to know your material is reaching others for the Kingdom of our God.
Matt Slick is another painful reminder why we need a Pope. Being an authority unto yourself in matters of faith and morals continues to fracture the Body of Christ daily. How many more denominations we gonna create today Matt? The Church is the pillar and foundation/bulwark of the truth. No Church, no teaching office. No teaching office, no truth. Only wannabes.
Wow how hypocritical of you carm, I've been on your website Mighty good site but on the SDA you said, there is no new testament scriptural evidence of saturday sabbath(something in that line) Yet cathecism says by devine authority it chose to change saturday to sunday yet the whole protestant world woship on the authority of roman church the MOTHER of harlots, who must its daugters as apostate prostestantism.
The Lord's Supper simply being symbolic of Christ goes against the Bible. What else does John 6:52-66 mean? "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
I'm not even Catholic, yet I understand that the Eucharist really is the body and blood of Christ. And that priests have the power to forgive sin (per John 20:23).
@Kennedale01 If we are to take the hyper-literal approach you are suggesting in John chapter 6 can you then explain why Roman Catholics go hungry or thirsty after they have not had communion?
@formeragnostic Simple, when you go to the source of all food and water you will be filled but when you walk away you will become hunrgy and thirsty again which is exactly why you must go back every week. Jesus himself said his body is food and his blood is drink. He would not have said that if he did not imply we had to go back often just as we do for food and drink.
@LifeLibertyLove You are not being consistent in your interpretation LLL. If Jesus magically transforms into a piece of bread according to your interpretation (a hyper-literal interpretation) then in order for you to remain *consistent* we must also believe that those who eat that physical bread will NEVER hunger. To quote the RC NAB Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst. John 6:35 (NAB)
@formeragnostic It is not my interpretation it is the interpretation of the early christians. Do you know anyone who has come to Jesus and has remained with him? Do you know anyone who has believed in Jesus and never doubted he would provide them with everything? We all come to Jesus and leave Jesus we all believe in Jesus and doubt Jesus, that is why God instituted the Sacramant of Confession.
@LifeLibertyLove The God "instituded" it in 1100 year. MANY years after Biblical events your "god" are human priests. Does it mean everybody before creating conffession are in hell?
@Dwinar7 Confession was around from the very beginning. Even Israel confessed their sins to the high priest and offered penance. Jesus heard the sins of others and forgave them and he gave that power to his apostles right in the Gospel of John confession was not instituted hundreds of years after Christ's birth. It was around before the Bible was even finished being put together by men.
Regarding confession.. Israel brought sacrifices to the high priest to be forgiven; however CHRIST is our high priest AND our sin offering paid by GOD Himself.. Therefore confessions to man are no longer relevant, unless you sin directly against that man then you have a responsibility to apologize. But confession now is to our high priest Jesus Christ who paid the price for our sins which is death so that we may have life through Him. Only to GOD do we owe our hearts
and read "Far from Rome, Near to God" the testimony of almost 60 catholic priests that have found real God in the Bible (which church says is not most important because they think human Tradition is equal to inspired Word of God himself). If your mind is open you won't be scared and you may give counter arguments if not i'm afraid some people just like to live in illusions despite of crushing facts because it's just easier...
@Dwinar7 I suppose you have never even read any sacred tradition? Yet you attack it as man made? I suppose you never read the Wisdom of Solomon so you label it as Apocrypha? God does not only speak threw what you bought from a bookstore.
@LifeLibertyLove If the Bible is just another book from simple bookstore then this discussion doesn't have sense :) yet still the Apocrypha contains everything that Jesus doesn't cite (and I think He knows better what is from God and what is not) and everything that Jews which were the chosen nation rejected...
PS
You wanted unbiblical tradition: cult of Mary is one of many examples in the Bible there is like 1% about her? And absolutely nothing about making her mediator to God. See: [J 14:6] :)
Regarding leaving and doubting Jesus... We do not all come and leave or doubt. But true confession of faith made to Jesus Christ Himself results in become a new creation (2 cor 5:17) and a renewal of mind (romans 12)... Yes we struggle with sin but we also conquer sin by faith in Jesus Christ (romans 7&8).. I no longer do what I used to do and I have no desire to do what I did just a year ago (romans 12); I am not perfect but am continuously being perfected (Phil 3:12-14)
@LifeLibertyLove Insofar as it being an interpretation of the early Christians you should take the time to read Augustin's Tractate on the Gospel of John. Specifically tractates 25, 26 & 27 in where he exegetes the very subject and passage we're talking about in language my 11 year old niece can understand. Please take the time and read it.
The Bread of Life is the Word of GOD. Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word of GOD.. Jesus is the Word brought to life. In the beginning was the Word, the word was with GOD, and the word was GOD.. Communion is important and symbolic as we remember our fellowship with CHRIST but the True bread that we are called to eat is the word of GOD (Jer 15:16).. The Blood of Christ is salvation and the Holy Spirit.. The Living Waters (John 7:38)..
@epidemic813 No argument here bro. I just quoted Augustin, Tracte on the gospel of John 25:12 which refutes 110% any notion of a "unaminous consent of the fathers" lie fostered by Roman Catholicism on this subject.
From Tractate 25:12 “Labor not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto eternal life.” “What shall we do?” they ask; by observing what, shall we be able to fulfill this precept? “Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He has sent.” This is then to eat the meat, not that which perisheth, but that which endureth unto eternal life. To what purpose dost thou make ready teeth and stomach? Believe, and thou hast eaten already.
Does this guy even know that the Catholic Church is made up of the "Latin Rite" ("Roman Catholic"), and 22 "Eastern Catholic" churches which are in full communion with Rome.
With CARM you aren't trying to find truth based on the Bible. You are trying to promote your interpretation of the Bible, and prove anyone else wrong.
@stlmormonguy Which interpretation, though? Protestants don't have an entity like The Church to interpret for them...sadly, Protestants (like myself) are left to their own devices to try and figure it out. We could ask a preacher...but every preacher would have a different personal interpretation...and each of the tens of thousands of Protestant denominations has a different interpretation. So much confusion...
@Kennedale01 Oh I understand what you mean. And that is what is sad in the world today. The Lord never intended for there to be confusion but that is what we have throughout Christianity. The only person responsible is the Devil himself for that.
I was following his logic but trying the spirit to see whether it be of God...did he just say "the holy spirits" plural? If that was a slip of the tongue it was a fatal flaw-even the devil can quote the scriptures....if it was not- those seeking the True and Living God should consider themselves warned...
He is not any different than those who are not Christians, neither believe in God, and attack the Catholic Church
Very well said Jesus, "in the last days,many will come in my name"
I recomend to this guy, and any other anti-Catholic, who call himself Christian, go and Love your neighbor, Love God, love ur enemies. This YES will count you in the final judgment.... DON^T talk about things you don`t understand, but if you want to understand, take out your predjudices
good answer but he spoke a contradiction himself...go back and listen carefully. Not Catholic, just Christian....so I am not defending anything but the Word of God...
I would call Satan a thief to God's thrown any time. "As a Thief in The Night" means that Jesus Christ's Return will catch many so-called Christians and non-Believer by shock thinking that there doing the will God at his Second Return. The United States of America has 3000 denominations so, pray to God in Jesus name. Remember Yummygreek End Times many people/Christians will be fooled. If your confused about Churches attend the one that Keep All Ten Commandments and God will see you throw.
What is not known or widely recognize by many Protestant/Christians is that "The Seventh-day" is God's seal/mark for his people, but God will separate true Christians from men traditions and false doctrines to seal his people with "The Seventh-day". Many professing Christians are sleeping on the subject of "The Seventh-day" and Jesus Christ's return will catch many so-call Christians like a thief in the night...Asleep.
@cespedeslv I thought the parable of the thief was related to the devil, not Christ... I think I'll stop talking on this commentary, no point with so many contortions
The real Bible is any Holy Bible "put together" outside the influence of the Vatican, the Pope or the Anti-Christ system. From Mr. Martin Luther to the present (2010) it has been known clearly that any Pope is the and/or a Anti-Christ and the Catholic Church system/doctrine is Anti-Christ as well.
The Mass is in the Bible, Penance is in the Bible, Veneration of Mary is (believe it or not) in the Bible (in a small way, but it is there), Purgatory is in the Bible (depending if you have a real bible or not), the Priesthood is definitely there, Confessional is tied into penance, what makes up the Rosary is the Bible, Venial and Mortal sins are in the Bible (1 John 5:16 -17), Statues in the Church are in the Bible (The temple had tons of adornments)
Brother MATT thanks for the truths that you present. Its now clear that Catholicism is not from God, and doesn't lead people to God. Who then is its CEO (pope) working for? Who sent him? who told him to teach people to practice all that crap? I know all Catholics may not like to hear this BUT I think your CEO was sent by and is working for the same being that told Eve in the Genesis 3:1 "Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" and they must be very tight friends.
no offense u know. But u have 33,000 denomination no offense but which one is right? can u pls tell me why u are right and not the other denominations? or maybe which Holy spirit is right? no offense ok?
@dadadude1 There are always reasonable questions that one can ask, but there are better questions that you should ask yourself. Why are you rejecting the Son of God, and what will say to give an account for yourself when you're standing before God? You're without excuse, and pointing out faults in other human beings is a slippery slope, because it doesn't justify your arrogance and unbelief. Who will you blame when you're standing before the Lord? Who will you blame for rejecting Christ?
@foreveralive You didn't answer my question which denomination is right? what makes you righ and the other denominations wrong? taking into account that all of you claim to be guided by the holy spirit. There is only one HOLY SPIRIT not 33,000 Right? and it's your friend who is attacking the catholic church, also CLAIMING that he is right. No one knows for sure. So don't worry about me I follow the Church the jesus created the CATHOLIC CHURCH :) So answer my questions pls
Your average Catholic in the world does not even believe that Jesus was and IS God himself. Catholics believe Jesus is God’s Son only, not that Jesus is the Son and God himself. Note, I did not say “A” God, but that Jesus is God himself.
I teach the Catholic Religion and you are either ignorant of the Catholic Church or are a blatant liar. The Catholic Church is the one who came up with the Trinity doctrine. Before you go off spewing your nonsense, you'd better get your facts straight. Any truth you Protestants do have came from the Catholic Church, but most of your beliefs are heresy. You had better get right with the only Church that has been here since Christ - the Catholic Church.
@ihsrc the Trinity is clearly taught in the bible. we dont need tradition to tell us that there is one God, and that this one God exists as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. you need to get the facts straight. the catholic church, while opposing hitler accpeted mussolini's 92 million dollar bribe to recognize his fascist government. then what of the forced conversions, and condoned slavery? and do you know who started Jewish ghettos in europe? hitler? no, pope paul iv. that is not Christ's church.
Where is the Trinity ‘clearly’ taught in the bible? The word “Trinity” isn’t even in the bible. I have my facts straight. Protests have Jim Jones, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker, and a host of evil people themselves. The Baptist owned slaves and even split themselves over that issue. That is where the Southern Baptist came from. The Protestant king James burned people as witches. Protestant Henry VIII massacred thousands. I could list a multitude of sins the Protestants have, so lets not go there.
@ihsrc as for The Trinity, if you like, i can give you verses that say the Father is God, the Son is God, and The Spirit is God, and i can also give you verses that say there is only one God. the term "Trinity" wasnt coined until the 3rd century, but the belief was there. similar to how the term "hypostatic union" isnt mentioned in the Bible, but it is clearly taught that while Jesus was fully God, He was like us in every way but sin.
@ihsrc remember when in acts chapter 10, cornelius fell at peters feet in reverence, peter told him to get up. now the pope has people approach him on all fours like animals. the rcc does the same thing the chief priests were doing when Jesus condemned their tradition. the rcc puts tradition obove the word of god, because in addition to saying what is and isnt ffrom GOd, the roman church says how it shuold be interpreted, even thoiugh the bible says we dont need anyone to be spoonfed
You also put tradition above the word of God. Nowhere does the bible say which, or how many letters should be the Inspired Scriptures. The Catholic Church chose those 27 NT letters in the 4th century. A question for you; did the Catholic Church make a fallible or an infallible decision regarding those 27 NT letters? Those 27 letters are Catholic Tradition that even you hold. 2Th 2:15, and 3:6 says “Stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, WHETHER BY WORD, or our epistle.”
Protestants are ok with divorce and abortion? was Jesus? Jesus started the catholic church can the protestants claim that? We have the bones of Peter the first pope? We actually follow all of the bible these people just interpret as they wish. Yet there bible was given to them by the very heathen that he argues against. Why would you trust a book of knowledge given by the whore of babylon. It's because he is the error.
@Dreamsex101 saying that is like saying "catholics are ok with pedophilia" you can't lump entire groups into a belief, protestants are NOT ok with divorce and abortion, it just happens.
Did the Catholic Church make an infallible decision when they chose the 27 letters of the New Testament as the only canonical books? Or was that a fallible decision? If you accept their authority on those 27 letters - where does those 27 letters claim for their selves that only they are the "Inspired Word of God"? Why not 20 or 30 books?
Protestants do not represent true Christianity. The bible is the Word of God. It was the Catholic Church that put the bible together so future protestants could use it commit their heretical views. Matt Slick is slick in his attempts to blaspheme the Church that Christ himself started, namely, the Catholic Church. Protestants are far too ignorant of Christian history or they would know that.
@vcomp1960 Yes, Eastern Orthodox are legitimate Catholics. The Roman Catholic Church recognizes their bishops as true bishops. About their only error is in not recognizing the supreme authority of the bishop or Rome - the Pope. There needs to be a lead bishop to keep unity. That's why there is more Roman Catholics than all Protestant denominations combined.
@ihsrc Does the Patriarch of the Orthodox church (in Turkey) have the same authority as the Pope? Where does he fit in? Did the Roman church come first or did the orthodox church come first?
At the time Christ started his Church, it was not called Roman or Orthodox. There was unity that was held together by the Apostles and the bishops they appointed. These bishops began to call the Church Catholic. These Universal Christians recognized the Bishop of Rome as the Supreme Bishop. The Orthodox Church was in unity with him until they split from Rome in 1054. The Orthodox hold valid orders and teach Christian teachings but they do not recognize the authority of the Roman Bishop.
@ihsrc Hope you don't mind all the questions. Why did the orthodox church split? Who do the orthodox recognize as having the authority? Why don't they recognize Rome? I thought they did recognize Rome. I knew they didn't but I thought that changed?
Catholic and Orthodox theologians did come to a limited agreement a few years ago on the authority of the Pope, but they still disagree on the extent of that authority. There are differences of understanding with regard to the manner in which the primacy is to be exercised, and also with regard to its scriptural and theological foundations. The Orthodox are now speaking about the universality of the church instead of just a local or regional level under a patriarch or archbishop.
All valid Bishops hold the same authority until a split decision on an issue needs an outcome. The Bishop of Rome is the one who makes that decision, and then only on matters of faith and morals. The entire worldwide Christian church needs a head leader that is the Pope. That is why Peter was the one almost always mentioned first in the line of apostles, and he made the final decision at the council of Jerusalem in the bible as an example for us.
Matt Slick and CARM led me to the Catholic Church. Thank you so much for putting up such a pathetic display of anti-Catholicism on your website. You are leading more and more people to the truth of the Catholic Church every day. Thank you again Matt!
@nulle46 > you make no sense... surely someone should examine all things against the truth held within the Bible.? If the roman catholic church contradicts what is stated in the Bible, why would someone turn too it?
All issues regarding the Protestant position have been examined and dispelled centuries ago. The Catholic Church does not contradict what is stated in the bible, it only contradicts your interpretation of it. There are non-Catholics, and there are anti-Catholics. CARM is anti-Catholic. He has the need to speak against other Christian points of view - much like Jack Chick. Their heresies will be seen in the end. We Christians - whether Catholic or Protestant - must still pray for them.
@ihsrc does not contradict the bible??? what about Paul. Paul is definitely and undeniably clear about grace. what does your Pope teach about salvation?
@TheGuilanvi Ha ha ha ha. You are kidding me, right? You are either kidding or you have a lot to learn. Give me one example where the Catholic Church contradicts the bible, and I'll give you many where Protestants do. Protestants can't even agree with each other - that's why there are 20,000 different Protestant denominations. What a joke. It's all a matter if interpretation - either yours or the ancient 2000 year old Catholic one. James is clear as well. We already agree about Grace.
@jarak36 You are completely ignorant of Catholic teaching. So.... babies, the retarded, those who have never heard of Jesus, don't have a chance? Also, we ask the saints in heaven for intersession, just as we would ask another Christian here for intersession. The difference is, the saints are holier and closer to God. Can you show me where Jesus said not to do this? We do pray to Christ also, so please don't lie to the readers here, ok? That is Jesus on the crucifix, not Mary or the saints.
@ihsrc john 16:26-27 says-"26In that day you will ask in my name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf. No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God" Jesus is holier than anyone, yet He doesnt present our requests to God on our behalf. yet you think you need dead people to do just that. and when you ask for another Christian to pray for you, you dont kneel down and worship them, do you?
We don’t pray to ‘dead people’. “Whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die”. (Jn 11:26) “He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err” (Mk 12:27). They are alive in heaven written in the Lambs book of life and are now much holier than you or I. In Heaven, the “twenty four elders are offering the prayers of the saints” (Rev 5:8). Even the angels in Heaven offer the prayers of all saints (Rev 8:3,4) The intercession of ALL saints, It’s Gods way.
@ihsrc nowhere in the bible do angels intercdede, nowhere are we told to pray to them. you know who is holier than anyone? Jesus, and even He said that he did not need to petition the Father on our behalf. If Jesus doesnt need to, why do mary and the saints? and by the way, in the new and old testaments, saints were alive on earth, not receiving veneration in heaven.
What do you say the angel was doing by offering incense along with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne? The smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. And you also have the 24 elders who fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them … the prayers of saints. You can believe whatever you want – that’s what makes you Protestant. We believe the bible – that’s what makes us Catholic.
@ihsrc the angels were presenting the prayers of Christians to God, they were Not praying to God on our behalf. what were the 24 elders doing? were they praying on our behalf? or were they worshipping the almighty? jews already believed that angels presented our prayers to God, but they didnt believe they prayed or interceded for us? on the contrary colossians 2:18- "Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize"
Until America was founded, with a motto "We Have No King", people for thousands of years bowed or kneeled to the kings out of respect to their authority, not as worshiping them as a god. Americans forget this. Some did worship the Caesars as a god but European kings like King James or King Henry VIII were bowed and kneeled too. Many used the title ‘Your Worship’ not perceiving them as a god. Catholics kneel to a stature in remembrance of that saint, not in worship of it or him. They intercede.
@ihsrc when you venerate mary, its called hyperdulia, correct? by worshiping or venerating her, you indirectly worship God. when its just regular old saints, its basically the same thing, only called dulia. you may remember, God expressly forbid us to make images in the form of anything on earth, and he said not to worship OR bow down to them. as for the church itself, it has been steadily evolving. the church in the 4th century was nothing like the rcc today.
Hyperdulia vs dulia would be somewhat like the bible saying; “Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour (1Tim 5:17). No all receive double honour, yet some deserve more than others. God sure did command the making of images. Ex 25:18-22, 26:1 Thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, Num 21:8,9 The LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, 1Ki 6:23-29, 35, 7:29 Solomon's temple had statues and images. Do you have ANY figurines, (dog, fruit, graven images) at home?
@ihsrc i dont bowm to any graven image. that the huge difference. God wasnt condemning sculpture. the problem comes in when we bend a knee to those objects, either in worship to them, or to what they represent because we think it brings us closer to the divine. so the major difference is, i dont bow to a statue, because the Lord said not to serve OR bow down to them.
"Since the Catholic Church that the Bible is the true word of God, I'm putting Catholic Doctrine to the Biblical test"
You mean your interpretation. Matt, what does the Bible say about private interpretation? Matt, we know that when you say "contradicts scripture" or "guided by the Holy Spirit" these are aliases for "Matts opinion". Matt, there's not enough space. Mortal Sins?
Thumbs up, mawst. It's obvious to any Catholic listening to this video that references to the "Roman Catholic Church" show little understanding of the Catholic Church. He doesn't even know that "Roman" is a misnomer!! Anyone who knows anything about the Catholic Church knows that the Latin Rite is only one of many rites. Matt is W R O N G. Ave Maria, ora pro nobis!!!!
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Catholicism is a very hard sell to typical Americans . AmProts. have a "its just me and Jesus" attitude and a "get your Bible and read it" mentality. They have no idea why the Logos became man and what Christ established here on Earth. Gods plan for the salvation of mankind is a Covenant, we are saved as a whole people not as individuals. Not understanding this people disregard the Catholic Church. Apart from the Grace of Christ in the Sacraments of the Catholic Church we cannot be saved. Sorry
You non Catholics sure do call names alot first I was called a "Mormon" then I was called an "oxymormon" .....go figure :) . Gotta love orthodox teachings. Glory to Christ.
Does is frighten you that protestant views would be laughed at by the Apostles and early church fathers?
I wonder why this bit about faith alone salvation, eternal security, scripture alone teaching, arbitrary holy orders, thousands of denominations, taking books out of scripture and all the myriad WERE NOT FOUND ANYWHERE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.. until the personal interpretation of scripture and the false traditions of MAN, not of Christ, made them up.
Denominations result in different opinions on non-essentials. The Protestant Church is like USA that is divided into multitude of states, but still is one country with one president. We serve one King and it's not the pope. The RCC added Jewish myths to support various romanist teachings. The OT was already established long ago.
The Roman Catholic Church is one of the many false cults foretold in 1 Timothy 4:1-3 and other parts of the Bible.
to say that protestants are only divided on "nonessentials" is not honest. many of them have differing views on doctrines at the heart of the gospel. Some believe in baptismal regeneration (luther), some don't (calvin), some have very different definitions of sola fide (for instance, John Wesley's view of faith and works is very similar to the Catholic understanding). Some believe universal atonement, some limited. Also, who decides which teachings are essential and nonessential?
Universal atonement and limited atonement do not change the conditions upon which someone is saved. These are Bible 101 questions, typical of those who follow tradition over the bible.
"Does is frighten you that protestant views would be laughed at by the Apostles and early church fathers?"
-Conjecture, and unprovable.
-The beauty of protestantism (let's call it Christianity) is that we have one authority: scripture. It's interesting that you get to be the one to determine what "false traditions of man" are.
I believe that all tradition is subject to scripture. The tradition of the RCC must be in harmony with the Bible to be true. It is not.
No you don't have one authority. What you have is a splintered church; anyone who disagrees goes off and forms another church. There is no Protestant church; it's a catch-all term. You interpret Scripture any way you want and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong and belongs to another church. That's why Lutherans' beliefs are clost to Catholicism and Baptists' beliefs are so far away. You don't agree with the Catholic Church or with each other. And it's not RCC; it's the Catholic Church.
Well if there's some difference from the Roman Church and the Catholic Church at large, please illuminate that for me. Otherwise, I'm going to refer to it as the RCC to make it easier.
You're correct on one thing: there are several denominations. You're incorrect in thinking that they all hold exclusivity on the means of salvation. That's something the RCC does. As Romans 14 says, there is room for disagreement on non-salvific doctrine.
We follow the bible. Not man's elaboration of the bible.
Where does the Bible state God's word is only found in the Bible? It doesn't. Read John 21:25. The Apostles taught orally & in writing. We accept it ALL. "Roman" refers to "Latin" & is one rite of the Church. "RCC" is accepted because we know what it means, but you aren't an apologist on a video. Slick should know better. We don't pray to statues, we don't worship Mary. The Church teaches that Jesus saves ALL, not just Catholics. We love Jesus - He is our Savior and without God we are nothing.
What a joke! Accepting Matt.-Rev.= accepting RC authority. (Council of Carthage + Hippo) Nothing in Catholicism contradicts its own scriptures. Your arguments are dumb; they all end up with your god being a lesser being than the Catholic God. You are just leading people away from the sacraments that they need to become partakers of the divine nature. IndependentFundamentalBibleBelievingNonDenominationalCharismaticCalvinist will have to burn a little hotter than the rest of us. Glory to Christ
Talking with protestants is a waste of time. They are brainwashed victims. In there thinking they are Anti-Catholic first, Americans second and then whatever denomination/heretic/cult next. There lives are a little better than good. there worship a little better than bad and there god a little better than Superman. Apart from the teaching of the Catholic Church you will not understand the way God works in his creation or how he exist out side of it. Glory be to Christ our true God for all things
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Typical response from someone who doesn't know Christ: putting the authority of men over God mixed in with some insults. Pride is what got Lucifer cast out of heaven, and it's what convinced Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit. I don't consider myself a "Protestant", but I'll gladly take the label. Jesus is sufficient, which is why He said "It is finished."
Salvation does not require works, baptism, or purgatory (which doesn't exist). You remind me of the Mormons.
You have no idea why Our Lord said "it is finished", he was refering to temple worship-Judaism. Christ is "sufficient", but sufficient for what. We can still sin, die, go to Hell. The Sacraments of the Church are what apply the meritorious grace of Christ to our souls. Your version of Christianity is just a distraction that prevents any chance of Theosis. Glory to Christ our True God for all things. P.S. Please send your doctoral thesis on the vice of pride to Matt Slick
"meritorious grace" is an oxymoron. The fact that Catholics believe they can even EARN grace is beyond a joke... its a misnomer! Grace by definition is UNDESERVED.
You seem to misunderstand the teaching. The only time Catholics use this, as far as I understand, is for the Grace that Christ the God-Man earned for us as a Man. The Grace he alone has merited in his humanity. Non-Catholics tend to forget that our salvation is dependent on Christs humanity. It comes from a weak understanding of who/what/why The Incarnation is. Argumentation like this assures me that Catholicism is the only true worship of the Holy Trinity. Glory to Christ for all things
"Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can MERIT for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods," (Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), par. 2027)."
Again, how do you merit the graces necessary for eternal life? There is only one "grace", and that its the one GRANTED to us by Christ.
Well, I'll give it a try. First you must realize that the Love of the Trinity is in its self a reciprocal Love. So in order for us to receive Gods Love we must reciprocate it. That is the very Divine Substance of the Trinity, Love. Also understand that no Person of the Holy Trinity acts on his own accord . Second go read par. 2027 of the CCC for yourself and then repost it in its entirety so everyone can see how deceitful you are being with your partial quotes. Glory to Christ
Yes, but if I include the whole quote, it's self-contradictory.
"No one can MERIT the initial grace which is at the origin of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can MERIT for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods," (Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), par. 2027).
What's the difference between grace at conversion and... the graces needed for eternal life? There is none... this is more unbiblical nonsense.
Forgive my preemptive post. The Graces in conversion deal more with spiritual sensitivity, the Graces needed for eternal life have more to do with perseverance and purification. All are being given by God and reciprocated by the sinner who is becoming a true Lover of God. Its not "unbiblical nonsense" but, the real life application of the Gospel and Gods Grace which are only contained within the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. You misunderstand the use of merit and Grace in theology
Here, I'll do it for you. par 2027 of the CCC says: " NO ONE CAN MERIT THE INITIAL GRACE WHICH IS AT THE ORIGIN OF CONVERSION. Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods." We can see that non Catholics such as SeraphsWitness have to use deceitful double standards to make up for the lack of transparency in their beliefs. Glory to Christ
"earn" does not equal "merit". We do not earn graces from God however, we believe that God does give an increase grace to those who pray and perservere in obedience. But this isn't "earning" in the strict sense since God is not giving leagal payment for works done, rather he is rewarding out of love. God is not obligated to reward us with grace but he does so out of love. So it is still undeserved favor since he do not deserve to be rewarded with God's grace but he does so anyways.
Referring to temple worship? Wow, so the prophecy in Genesis 3:15 means absolutely nothing. Romans 11:6 states it cannot be of both grace and works, it's one or the other. You cannot earn grace, otherwise it would no longer be grace.
The impossible gospel: do all that you possibly can. How long have you prayed today? Are you trying to memorize all of scripture? Have you traveled across the world to share the gospel? Have you been keeping all 300+ commandments of the OT? I doubt you are.
Out of God proceeds Grace to the man whom it is given proceed Faith+Works. That is the true Gospel, given by Christ to his Apostles. You lost me at Gen. 3:15, Its a prophecy about the Blessed Virgin Mary bearing the Incarnate God, whose body is the Church, whom triumphs over the devil. It means a whole lot to any one who longs to partake in that prophecy as a member of that triumphant body. The Gospel is impossible apart from Gods Grace, which is only contained within the Catholic Church.
So now God shares His glory with Mary. Because that verse obviously says that it would be the vessel holding the Incarnation of the Word that would conquer Satan, and not the Seed.
It's truly sad that you claim that only Catholics can be saved. In actuality, Jesus said that whoever believes in Him, who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, would be saved. I sincerely doubt that the thief on the cross was Catholic.
Let me ask again: how are you doing with your impossible gospel?
Absolutely, God shares His Glory with His creatures. Thats what Grace essentially is. Your misunderstanding, the Womans Seed is Christ who is the victor through His Church. It is sad to live life around catch phrases that dont pertain to those whom God has not chosen. The thief on the cross has very little to do with Gods plan of salvation. It shows Gods great Mercy, but for salvation is irrelevant to anyone who is not on a cross next to Christ professing Him as the Son of God. Glory to Christ
It so hard to show sarcasm over the internet. I know the Seed is Christ, you were the one saying that Mary shares this conquering of Satan. And no, God does not share His glory with another (Isaiah 48:11).
Of course, the thief himself has nothing to do with God's plan of salvation, but it demonstrates how salvation given to us and not earned. We should be the ones on a cross, but Jesus took that punishment for us for ALL our sins. And yes, glory to Christ, not Mary.
Did Mary "share" in The Incarnation of the Logos? Is the Church the Body of Christ?
The Church uses whats called equivocal language. There is no Glory that compares to the Lords. What we are talking about is Him allowing us to partake of His glory not magnifying our own as the Jews did. This is what St. Peter means when he says "we become partakers of the divine nature". To a Catholic thats what being saved is and it is a process, not one time thing. AmProts are delusional and self introverted.
Self introverted!? That's quite a claim by someone who believes that works are essential to salvation!... And that grace is earned despite the self-refuting logic of it.
"Let me ask again: how are you doing with your impossible gospel? "
I am repenting and trying to persevere until the end for fear of being turned away the Kingdom of God, I am Working my salvation out with fear and trembling. I am doing my best to pray without ceasing, trying to Love as; God is Love. I will make my vows and keep them. and again ask ; Lord Jesus Christ Son of God have Mercy on me a sinner. If you actually care pray for yourself and then for me. Glory to Christ for all things
Matt, you are judgemental, your gonna be judged as you judge!!!
I pray God opens your heart, you offend and lie!!!
lorrainegate 1 month ago
For Slick to claim he doesn't intend to offend Catholics in any way just shows what a liar he is.
Debate me Matt.
Deepertruthblog 1 month ago 2
Matt Slick is a coward. He won't debate me, I'd eat him alive. I silly website and found the OPPOSITE of what the teaches
Deepertruthblog 1 month ago 2
"The PROTEST-ANT church"??? Which one? there's 40,000 of them. Out of all of those "churches" (which , by the way, is anti-biblical, because Christ wanted His Church to be one, as He & The Heavenly Father are One) Which one has the deposit of faith? You can't even agree with the 39,999 other "churches" what is "doctrinal" & what isn't. Your message spews hatred and contempt. You won't be able to blame ANYBODY (The Catholic Church, Jews etc.) when you are before the Throne of Christ, alone.
bheadh 1 month ago 2
...It WASN'T necessary to make a video about catholicism...all religion is bullshit.
jerico641 2 months ago in playlist CARM_Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry
Please, I urge you to read the Bible for yourself. See if what you have been taught lines up.
thebonesy4262 3 months ago
@thebonesy4262 I have read the Bible, Genesis to Revelation...studied the Bible...read what how the early church interpreted the Bible.It is unmistakably Catholic,through and through. It is Protestants who need to read the Bible.
Deepertruthblog 1 month ago
The Protestants are exactly like the Pharisees... you can't do this, you can't do that because it's not in the bible (law)
well lemme tell u something, Jesus did perform miracles on Sabbath, he saved the adulterous woman from getting stone, although in the law it said that one should be stoned if they commit adultery...
You damn Protestants piss me the fuck off!!!!
212Leyden 3 months ago
Im Catholic my Church was made 33 A.D by Jesus Christ Himself. No other church was founded by Jesus Christ. The bible came from the Roman Catholic Church. In the early Church if you were Christian you WERE Catholic. when was your church founded?
SuperPjdr 5 months ago
@SuperPjdr You do know the word Catholic in the bible was not referring to your "church" right? The actual Roman Catholic Church which you follow was not founded by Jesus... the references implied by your comment are known to anyone who has truly studied the bible.
BTW... I am Catholic... But I don't just take Father Touch Alots word for it.
ACLogikel 5 months ago
@SuperPjdr Jesus established the Vatican, Magisterium, Sacraments, Papacy, Purgatory, Priesthood, Mary Worship? LOLOLOLOL
XBleach88X 1 month ago
Thank you for explaining to your viewers about Sacred Tradition @ 2:00 - 2:30. Great job!
TheChurchAuthentic 5 months ago
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I saw Matt Slick at a gym near where I live that I also go to called Genesis gym. He was heavilly flirting with one of the trainers there. He is married and he told the trainer he isn't. The next day I saw him at the gym again. I got there before him and he came in, flirted with the trainer again for nearly an hour and then left. He never touched any of the gym equipment unless you consider the trainer a piece of equipment. Naughty naughty Mr. Slick. You are a married man shame on you!!!!
MrSupernova890 6 months ago
Please let's not argue over this. In the end, just accept Jesus, and you shall be saved. If you feel that these traditions in Catholicism enhance your relationship with God, then that is great.
asktheNBAguru 6 months ago
@asktheNBAguru --Paul liked to argue.
WorldBibleUnion454 6 months ago
And what authority does Matt Slick have to proclaim his interpretation of scripture as correct?
Oh that's right - none.
Reazzurro90 6 months ago
If anyone wishes to learn about Roman Catholicism, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is a great place to start.
VictoryInJesus454 7 months ago
This guy has a radio show in his state and a website christians can join. I went on their site and it was full of judgement against RC's and calling the faithful a cult of vanpires. I phoned this man and complained and asked him where he got his doctrine and he told me from some guy he studied with. He told me he was a Christian for about 14 years and this is his ministry. He is not impressive in real time and fumbles to answer questions this Apologetic put to him.
Timesearch 8 months ago
@Timesearch , it is there for all to see, I am a former catholic, thank God I left that dead so called church. Catholic church is pagan through and through.
Mary worship, praying to dead saints, the heresy of their mass, indulgences , crusades and a host of other blasphemous attributes.
frosbel 6 months ago
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douloslogos62 8 months ago
@douloslogos62 Nor do we need to push our views on our children. I say this in a loving Christian way.
Timesearch 8 months ago
You are Lucifer in disguise
supremesoftware 9 months ago
Anti-catholicism is bullshit!
If you think that catholics are not Christians, you're an idiot.
thunderbolt94 10 months ago
@thunderbolt94 Unfortunately, that is not what Matt Slick does, he sees Catholicism as apostasy. Totally different.
meeene4 9 months ago
@meeene4
There is no difference. The fact that he thinks Catholicism isn't Christianity is sign of his willful ignorance. He is by definition an idiot. Plain and simple. Catholicism is not apostasy. It is a sect of Christianity. If you deny that, you're an idiot. Plain and simple.
thunderbolt94 9 months ago
Jesus had a pretty straight forward message, no need for all these useless rituals in a church, humans over modify what doesn't need modified as a religion in the Catholic Church.
DiatonicSoul 10 months ago
@DiatonicSoul Those useless rituals you stated are actually the rituals Christ himself done because they are from the Jewish faith.
Timesearch 8 months ago
@DiatonicSoul
Oh really? Then why did Jesus himself perform such "useless rituals" and then establish new ones?
Baptism? Communion? Since you most likely are of a group that considers such traditions are merely symbolic and/or as professions of faith: why do them? Why not be consistent and abolish them altogether?
Reazzurro90 7 months ago
I can open God's Word the bible &read the revealed truths within it but I cannot find any book library church where I can look at & examine these so called apostolic traditions
no one can tell me where they are written down or even give me a basic outline as to what they are
RCC apostolic traditions are just like the kings new clothes non existent non verifiable non biblical & not accessible
Who in their right mind could believe all the garbage RCC teaches & follow the Pope blindly to hell
glizag 1 year ago
gee better stop going to church on Sunday just one of those pesky traditions
martlut 1 year ago
guess you didnt know that bible your reading came from apostolic tradition ROFL
martlut 1 year ago
so lets put the bible to the test.
where do I find Faith alone Bible alone once saved always saved and the inspired index of the Bible
martlut 1 year ago
@martlut ...Faith alone : Romans 5:1
Once saved always saved : Philipians 1:6
Inspired scripture : 2 Timothy 3:16 - 17
Please read the bible it is God's gift to us so that we will not be led astray by mens traditions.
daleyboy77 11 months ago
@daleyboy77 Sorry Philipans doesnt address OSAS Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Timothy mentions nothing about scripture being inspired only useful not the be all end all sorry.
Sorry no faith alone in Romans now go to Romans 2
martlut 11 months ago
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@martlut .............1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
daleyboy77 11 months ago
Click this > 2:31
then read this
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Thessalonians 3:6
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove Correct and the traditions the apostles verbally taught did not contradict what they wrote. The major problem with Catholicism is they try to pawn off their unbiblical man made traditions utilizing these verses of Scripture when their traditions not only contradict sound Biblical teaching but EVEN THEMSELVES!
formeragnostic 1 year ago
@formeragnostic Name one unbiblical man made tradition the Catholic Church teaches, and prove to me it is unbiblical.
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove Luke 1:47-49, Mary calls GOD savior and herself a servant; catholicism calls mary "mother of god". Rev 19:10 & 22:9 says only bow to GOD not GOD's servants. Catholic Church accepts islam; islam denies Jesus Christ(John 14:6).. Catholicism says mary is the way to Christ, bible says only GOD can deliver you to Christ and only CHRIST can show you the Father (John 6:44;Luke 10:22; Matt 11:27 ). Jesus said call no man "father", catholic priests take the title of "father" (Matt 23:9)
epidemic813 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove The Assumption of Mary is an unbiblical tradition which was condemned by one Pope as heresy and centuries later was made binding upon the conscience of all Christians to believe and is now held as "dogma" (necessary for salvation) for all Christians to believe. John the Apostle, who lived after Mary died stated in his gospel "No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man." The tradition both contradicts Scripture and early tradition.
formeragnostic 1 year ago
Just want to say keep up the good work my brother. Love your website and want you to know your material is reaching others for the Kingdom of our God.
formeragnostic 1 year ago
Matt Slick is another painful reminder why we need a Pope. Being an authority unto yourself in matters of faith and morals continues to fracture the Body of Christ daily. How many more denominations we gonna create today Matt? The Church is the pillar and foundation/bulwark of the truth. No Church, no teaching office. No teaching office, no truth. Only wannabes.
phishmaker 1 year ago
Wow how hypocritical of you carm, I've been on your website Mighty good site but on the SDA you said, there is no new testament scriptural evidence of saturday sabbath(something in that line) Yet cathecism says by devine authority it chose to change saturday to sunday yet the whole protestant world woship on the authority of roman church the MOTHER of harlots, who must its daugters as apostate prostestantism.
shadstla 1 year ago
The Lord's Supper simply being symbolic of Christ goes against the Bible. What else does John 6:52-66 mean? "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
I'm not even Catholic, yet I understand that the Eucharist really is the body and blood of Christ. And that priests have the power to forgive sin (per John 20:23).
Kennedale01 1 year ago
@Kennedale01 If we are to take the hyper-literal approach you are suggesting in John chapter 6 can you then explain why Roman Catholics go hungry or thirsty after they have not had communion?
John 6:35 (NIV)
35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.
formeragnostic 1 year ago
@formeragnostic Simple, when you go to the source of all food and water you will be filled but when you walk away you will become hunrgy and thirsty again which is exactly why you must go back every week. Jesus himself said his body is food and his blood is drink. He would not have said that if he did not imply we had to go back often just as we do for food and drink.
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove You are not being consistent in your interpretation LLL. If Jesus magically transforms into a piece of bread according to your interpretation (a hyper-literal interpretation) then in order for you to remain *consistent* we must also believe that those who eat that physical bread will NEVER hunger. To quote the RC NAB Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst. John 6:35 (NAB)
formeragnostic 1 year ago
@formeragnostic It is not my interpretation it is the interpretation of the early christians. Do you know anyone who has come to Jesus and has remained with him? Do you know anyone who has believed in Jesus and never doubted he would provide them with everything? We all come to Jesus and leave Jesus we all believe in Jesus and doubt Jesus, that is why God instituted the Sacramant of Confession.
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove The God "instituded" it in 1100 year. MANY years after Biblical events your "god" are human priests. Does it mean everybody before creating conffession are in hell?
Dwinar7 1 year ago
@Dwinar7 Confession was around from the very beginning. Even Israel confessed their sins to the high priest and offered penance. Jesus heard the sins of others and forgave them and he gave that power to his apostles right in the Gospel of John confession was not instituted hundreds of years after Christ's birth. It was around before the Bible was even finished being put together by men.
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove
Regarding confession.. Israel brought sacrifices to the high priest to be forgiven; however CHRIST is our high priest AND our sin offering paid by GOD Himself.. Therefore confessions to man are no longer relevant, unless you sin directly against that man then you have a responsibility to apologize. But confession now is to our high priest Jesus Christ who paid the price for our sins which is death so that we may have life through Him. Only to GOD do we owe our hearts
epidemic813 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove
PS
and read "Far from Rome, Near to God" the testimony of almost 60 catholic priests that have found real God in the Bible (which church says is not most important because they think human Tradition is equal to inspired Word of God himself). If your mind is open you won't be scared and you may give counter arguments if not i'm afraid some people just like to live in illusions despite of crushing facts because it's just easier...
Dwinar7 1 year ago
@Dwinar7 I suppose you have never even read any sacred tradition? Yet you attack it as man made? I suppose you never read the Wisdom of Solomon so you label it as Apocrypha? God does not only speak threw what you bought from a bookstore.
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove If the Bible is just another book from simple bookstore then this discussion doesn't have sense :) yet still the Apocrypha contains everything that Jesus doesn't cite (and I think He knows better what is from God and what is not) and everything that Jews which were the chosen nation rejected...
PS
You wanted unbiblical tradition: cult of Mary is one of many examples in the Bible there is like 1% about her? And absolutely nothing about making her mediator to God. See: [J 14:6] :)
Dwinar7 1 year ago
@Dwinar7 Jesus did cite the Apocrypha, Jesus never cited the Songs of Solomon.
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove
Regarding leaving and doubting Jesus... We do not all come and leave or doubt. But true confession of faith made to Jesus Christ Himself results in become a new creation (2 cor 5:17) and a renewal of mind (romans 12)... Yes we struggle with sin but we also conquer sin by faith in Jesus Christ (romans 7&8).. I no longer do what I used to do and I have no desire to do what I did just a year ago (romans 12); I am not perfect but am continuously being perfected (Phil 3:12-14)
epidemic813 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove Insofar as it being an interpretation of the early Christians you should take the time to read Augustin's Tractate on the Gospel of John. Specifically tractates 25, 26 & 27 in where he exegetes the very subject and passage we're talking about in language my 11 year old niece can understand. Please take the time and read it.
formeragnostic 1 year ago
@formeragnostic Jesus does not do anything by magic, if you can not believe in Christ's power that is your personal belief.
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@formeragnostic
Regarding the "bread of life"
The Bread of Life is the Word of GOD. Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word of GOD.. Jesus is the Word brought to life. In the beginning was the Word, the word was with GOD, and the word was GOD.. Communion is important and symbolic as we remember our fellowship with CHRIST but the True bread that we are called to eat is the word of GOD (Jer 15:16).. The Blood of Christ is salvation and the Holy Spirit.. The Living Waters (John 7:38)..
epidemic813 1 year ago
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@LifeLibertyLove I have better idea: go to carm.org and prove they are wrong
Dwinar7 1 year ago
@Dwinar7 I already went their, in fact I have read almost everything on Carm.org and their Catholic section is terribly innaccurate and unhistorical.
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@epidemic813 No argument here bro. I just quoted Augustin, Tracte on the gospel of John 25:12 which refutes 110% any notion of a "unaminous consent of the fathers" lie fostered by Roman Catholicism on this subject.
formeragnostic 1 year ago
From Tractate 25:12 “Labor not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto eternal life.” “What shall we do?” they ask; by observing what, shall we be able to fulfill this precept? “Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He has sent.” This is then to eat the meat, not that which perisheth, but that which endureth unto eternal life. To what purpose dost thou make ready teeth and stomach? Believe, and thou hast eaten already.
formeragnostic 1 year ago
Does this guy even know that the Catholic Church is made up of the "Latin Rite" ("Roman Catholic"), and 22 "Eastern Catholic" churches which are in full communion with Rome.
Freakonaleash92 1 year ago
With CARM you aren't trying to find truth based on the Bible. You are trying to promote your interpretation of the Bible, and prove anyone else wrong.
stlmormonguy 1 year ago
@stlmormonguy Which interpretation, though? Protestants don't have an entity like The Church to interpret for them...sadly, Protestants (like myself) are left to their own devices to try and figure it out. We could ask a preacher...but every preacher would have a different personal interpretation...and each of the tens of thousands of Protestant denominations has a different interpretation. So much confusion...
Kennedale01 1 year ago
@Kennedale01 Oh I understand what you mean. And that is what is sad in the world today. The Lord never intended for there to be confusion but that is what we have throughout Christianity. The only person responsible is the Devil himself for that.
stlmormonguy 1 year ago
I was following his logic but trying the spirit to see whether it be of God...did he just say "the holy spirits" plural? If that was a slip of the tongue it was a fatal flaw-even the devil can quote the scriptures....if it was not- those seeking the True and Living God should consider themselves warned...
DoveDiviner 1 year ago
This guy thinks he`s smart
He is not any different than those who are not Christians, neither believe in God, and attack the Catholic Church
Very well said Jesus, "in the last days,many will come in my name"
I recomend to this guy, and any other anti-Catholic, who call himself Christian, go and Love your neighbor, Love God, love ur enemies. This YES will count you in the final judgment.... DON^T talk about things you don`t understand, but if you want to understand, take out your predjudices
mjmenjivar 1 year ago
@mjmenjivar God bless your life =] You have given a good answer
Yummygreek 1 year ago
@Yummygreek
good answer but he spoke a contradiction himself...go back and listen carefully. Not Catholic, just Christian....so I am not defending anything but the Word of God...
DoveDiviner 1 year ago
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the fathers of the catholic church wrote the bible
MrWillduke 1 year ago
I would call Satan a thief to God's thrown any time. "As a Thief in The Night" means that Jesus Christ's Return will catch many so-called Christians and non-Believer by shock thinking that there doing the will God at his Second Return. The United States of America has 3000 denominations so, pray to God in Jesus name. Remember Yummygreek End Times many people/Christians will be fooled. If your confused about Churches attend the one that Keep All Ten Commandments and God will see you throw.
cespedeslv 1 year ago
@cespedeslv sweet then I am golden =D Good to know I am safe in His Grace
Yummygreek 1 year ago
What is not known or widely recognize by many Protestant/Christians is that "The Seventh-day" is God's seal/mark for his people, but God will separate true Christians from men traditions and false doctrines to seal his people with "The Seventh-day". Many professing Christians are sleeping on the subject of "The Seventh-day" and Jesus Christ's return will catch many so-call Christians like a thief in the night...Asleep.
cespedeslv 1 year ago
@cespedeslv I thought the parable of the thief was related to the devil, not Christ... I think I'll stop talking on this commentary, no point with so many contortions
Yummygreek 1 year ago
The real Bible is any Holy Bible "put together" outside the influence of the Vatican, the Pope or the Anti-Christ system. From Mr. Martin Luther to the present (2010) it has been known clearly that any Pope is the and/or a Anti-Christ and the Catholic Church system/doctrine is Anti-Christ as well.
cespedeslv 1 year ago
The Mass is in the Bible, Penance is in the Bible, Veneration of Mary is (believe it or not) in the Bible (in a small way, but it is there), Purgatory is in the Bible (depending if you have a real bible or not), the Priesthood is definitely there, Confessional is tied into penance, what makes up the Rosary is the Bible, Venial and Mortal sins are in the Bible (1 John 5:16 -17), Statues in the Church are in the Bible (The temple had tons of adornments)
Yummygreek 1 year ago
@Yummygreek The real Bible is any Holy Bible "put together" outside the influence of the Vatican, the Pope or the Anti-Christ system.
cespedeslv 1 year ago
@cespedeslv wow, now you're just pulling slander out of your hat...
Yummygreek 1 year ago
Brother MATT thanks for the truths that you present. Its now clear that Catholicism is not from God, and doesn't lead people to God. Who then is its CEO (pope) working for? Who sent him? who told him to teach people to practice all that crap? I know all Catholics may not like to hear this BUT I think your CEO was sent by and is working for the same being that told Eve in the Genesis 3:1 "Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" and they must be very tight friends.
saintskingdom 1 year ago
no offense u know. But u have 33,000 denomination no offense but which one is right? can u pls tell me why u are right and not the other denominations? or maybe which Holy spirit is right? no offense ok?
dadadude1 1 year ago
@dadadude1 There are always reasonable questions that one can ask, but there are better questions that you should ask yourself. Why are you rejecting the Son of God, and what will say to give an account for yourself when you're standing before God? You're without excuse, and pointing out faults in other human beings is a slippery slope, because it doesn't justify your arrogance and unbelief. Who will you blame when you're standing before the Lord? Who will you blame for rejecting Christ?
foreveralive 1 year ago
@foreveralive You didn't answer my question which denomination is right? what makes you righ and the other denominations wrong? taking into account that all of you claim to be guided by the holy spirit. There is only one HOLY SPIRIT not 33,000 Right? and it's your friend who is attacking the catholic church, also CLAIMING that he is right. No one knows for sure. So don't worry about me I follow the Church the jesus created the CATHOLIC CHURCH :) So answer my questions pls
dadadude1 1 year ago
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Your average Catholic in the world does not even believe that Jesus was and IS God himself. Catholics believe Jesus is God’s Son only, not that Jesus is the Son and God himself. Note, I did not say “A” God, but that Jesus is God himself.
hemet92544 1 year ago
I teach the Catholic Religion and you are either ignorant of the Catholic Church or are a blatant liar. The Catholic Church is the one who came up with the Trinity doctrine. Before you go off spewing your nonsense, you'd better get your facts straight. Any truth you Protestants do have came from the Catholic Church, but most of your beliefs are heresy. You had better get right with the only Church that has been here since Christ - the Catholic Church.
ihsrc 1 year ago
@ihsrc the Trinity is clearly taught in the bible. we dont need tradition to tell us that there is one God, and that this one God exists as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. you need to get the facts straight. the catholic church, while opposing hitler accpeted mussolini's 92 million dollar bribe to recognize his fascist government. then what of the forced conversions, and condoned slavery? and do you know who started Jewish ghettos in europe? hitler? no, pope paul iv. that is not Christ's church.
soccer21928 1 year ago
Where is the Trinity ‘clearly’ taught in the bible? The word “Trinity” isn’t even in the bible. I have my facts straight. Protests have Jim Jones, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker, and a host of evil people themselves. The Baptist owned slaves and even split themselves over that issue. That is where the Southern Baptist came from. The Protestant king James burned people as witches. Protestant Henry VIII massacred thousands. I could list a multitude of sins the Protestants have, so lets not go there.
ihsrc 1 year ago
@ihsrc as for The Trinity, if you like, i can give you verses that say the Father is God, the Son is God, and The Spirit is God, and i can also give you verses that say there is only one God. the term "Trinity" wasnt coined until the 3rd century, but the belief was there. similar to how the term "hypostatic union" isnt mentioned in the Bible, but it is clearly taught that while Jesus was fully God, He was like us in every way but sin.
soccer21928 1 year ago
@ihsrc remember when in acts chapter 10, cornelius fell at peters feet in reverence, peter told him to get up. now the pope has people approach him on all fours like animals. the rcc does the same thing the chief priests were doing when Jesus condemned their tradition. the rcc puts tradition obove the word of god, because in addition to saying what is and isnt ffrom GOd, the roman church says how it shuold be interpreted, even thoiugh the bible says we dont need anyone to be spoonfed
soccer21928 1 year ago
You also put tradition above the word of God. Nowhere does the bible say which, or how many letters should be the Inspired Scriptures. The Catholic Church chose those 27 NT letters in the 4th century. A question for you; did the Catholic Church make a fallible or an infallible decision regarding those 27 NT letters? Those 27 letters are Catholic Tradition that even you hold. 2Th 2:15, and 3:6 says “Stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, WHETHER BY WORD, or our epistle.”
ihsrc 1 year ago
wow. Did you just suggest that the priesthood is not biblical?
plk11 1 year ago
Protestants are ok with divorce and abortion? was Jesus? Jesus started the catholic church can the protestants claim that? We have the bones of Peter the first pope? We actually follow all of the bible these people just interpret as they wish. Yet there bible was given to them by the very heathen that he argues against. Why would you trust a book of knowledge given by the whore of babylon. It's because he is the error.
Dreamsex101 1 year ago
@Dreamsex101 saying that is like saying "catholics are ok with pedophilia" you can't lump entire groups into a belief, protestants are NOT ok with divorce and abortion, it just happens.
jarak36 1 year ago
@Dreamsex101 If you remember, Martin Luther broke off from the catholic church because it was SELLING FORGIVENESS.
jarak36 1 year ago
@jarak36 martin luther never broke off from the catholic church. he was kicked out, big difference.
soccer21928 1 year ago
Let me ask you Protestants something:
Did the Catholic Church make an infallible decision when they chose the 27 letters of the New Testament as the only canonical books? Or was that a fallible decision? If you accept their authority on those 27 letters - where does those 27 letters claim for their selves that only they are the "Inspired Word of God"? Why not 20 or 30 books?
ihsrc 1 year ago
Protestants do not represent true Christianity. The bible is the Word of God. It was the Catholic Church that put the bible together so future protestants could use it commit their heretical views. Matt Slick is slick in his attempts to blaspheme the Church that Christ himself started, namely, the Catholic Church. Protestants are far too ignorant of Christian history or they would know that.
ihsrc 1 year ago
Where does the Eastern Orthodox fit into all this? Are they Catholic? Do they believe essentially the same as the Catholic church?
vcomp1960 1 year ago
@vcomp1960 Yes, Eastern Orthodox are legitimate Catholics. The Roman Catholic Church recognizes their bishops as true bishops. About their only error is in not recognizing the supreme authority of the bishop or Rome - the Pope. There needs to be a lead bishop to keep unity. That's why there is more Roman Catholics than all Protestant denominations combined.
ihsrc 1 year ago
@ihsrc Does the Patriarch of the Orthodox church (in Turkey) have the same authority as the Pope? Where does he fit in? Did the Roman church come first or did the orthodox church come first?
vcomp1960 1 year ago
At the time Christ started his Church, it was not called Roman or Orthodox. There was unity that was held together by the Apostles and the bishops they appointed. These bishops began to call the Church Catholic. These Universal Christians recognized the Bishop of Rome as the Supreme Bishop. The Orthodox Church was in unity with him until they split from Rome in 1054. The Orthodox hold valid orders and teach Christian teachings but they do not recognize the authority of the Roman Bishop.
ihsrc 1 year ago
@ihsrc Hope you don't mind all the questions. Why did the orthodox church split? Who do the orthodox recognize as having the authority? Why don't they recognize Rome? I thought they did recognize Rome. I knew they didn't but I thought that changed?
vcomp1960 1 year ago
Catholic and Orthodox theologians did come to a limited agreement a few years ago on the authority of the Pope, but they still disagree on the extent of that authority. There are differences of understanding with regard to the manner in which the primacy is to be exercised, and also with regard to its scriptural and theological foundations. The Orthodox are now speaking about the universality of the church instead of just a local or regional level under a patriarch or archbishop.
ihsrc 1 year ago
All valid Bishops hold the same authority until a split decision on an issue needs an outcome. The Bishop of Rome is the one who makes that decision, and then only on matters of faith and morals. The entire worldwide Christian church needs a head leader that is the Pope. That is why Peter was the one almost always mentioned first in the line of apostles, and he made the final decision at the council of Jerusalem in the bible as an example for us.
ihsrc 1 year ago
Catholic doctrine does not stand up to biblical truth
rtaylor1275 1 year ago
@rtaylor1275 Protestant heresy does not stand up to biblical truth - get it right.
ihsrc 1 year ago
Matt Slick and CARM led me to the Catholic Church. Thank you so much for putting up such a pathetic display of anti-Catholicism on your website. You are leading more and more people to the truth of the Catholic Church every day. Thank you again Matt!
David
nulle46 1 year ago
@nulle46
Amen! God uses evil for Good. Great example, David.
Let's pray that CARM will put down their nets and follow the Truth.
ljsedivy 1 year ago
@nulle46 > you make no sense... surely someone should examine all things against the truth held within the Bible.? If the roman catholic church contradicts what is stated in the Bible, why would someone turn too it?
aacbailey 1 year ago
All issues regarding the Protestant position have been examined and dispelled centuries ago. The Catholic Church does not contradict what is stated in the bible, it only contradicts your interpretation of it. There are non-Catholics, and there are anti-Catholics. CARM is anti-Catholic. He has the need to speak against other Christian points of view - much like Jack Chick. Their heresies will be seen in the end. We Christians - whether Catholic or Protestant - must still pray for them.
ihsrc 1 year ago
@ihsrc does not contradict the bible??? what about Paul. Paul is definitely and undeniably clear about grace. what does your Pope teach about salvation?
TheGuilanvi 1 year ago
@TheGuilanvi Ha ha ha ha. You are kidding me, right? You are either kidding or you have a lot to learn. Give me one example where the Catholic Church contradicts the bible, and I'll give you many where Protestants do. Protestants can't even agree with each other - that's why there are 20,000 different Protestant denominations. What a joke. It's all a matter if interpretation - either yours or the ancient 2000 year old Catholic one. James is clear as well. We already agree about Grace.
ihsrc 1 year ago
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@ihsrc here's one
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
You pray to saints and priests, not to christ.
jarak36 1 year ago
@jarak36 You are completely ignorant of Catholic teaching. So.... babies, the retarded, those who have never heard of Jesus, don't have a chance? Also, we ask the saints in heaven for intersession, just as we would ask another Christian here for intersession. The difference is, the saints are holier and closer to God. Can you show me where Jesus said not to do this? We do pray to Christ also, so please don't lie to the readers here, ok? That is Jesus on the crucifix, not Mary or the saints.
ihsrc 1 year ago
@ihsrc john 16:26-27 says-"26In that day you will ask in my name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf. No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God" Jesus is holier than anyone, yet He doesnt present our requests to God on our behalf. yet you think you need dead people to do just that. and when you ask for another Christian to pray for you, you dont kneel down and worship them, do you?
soccer21928 1 year ago
We don’t pray to ‘dead people’. “Whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die”. (Jn 11:26) “He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err” (Mk 12:27). They are alive in heaven written in the Lambs book of life and are now much holier than you or I. In Heaven, the “twenty four elders are offering the prayers of the saints” (Rev 5:8). Even the angels in Heaven offer the prayers of all saints (Rev 8:3,4) The intercession of ALL saints, It’s Gods way.
ihsrc 1 year ago
@ihsrc nowhere in the bible do angels intercdede, nowhere are we told to pray to them. you know who is holier than anyone? Jesus, and even He said that he did not need to petition the Father on our behalf. If Jesus doesnt need to, why do mary and the saints? and by the way, in the new and old testaments, saints were alive on earth, not receiving veneration in heaven.
soccer21928 1 year ago
What do you say the angel was doing by offering incense along with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne? The smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. And you also have the 24 elders who fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them … the prayers of saints. You can believe whatever you want – that’s what makes you Protestant. We believe the bible – that’s what makes us Catholic.
ihsrc 1 year ago
@ihsrc the angels were presenting the prayers of Christians to God, they were Not praying to God on our behalf. what were the 24 elders doing? were they praying on our behalf? or were they worshipping the almighty? jews already believed that angels presented our prayers to God, but they didnt believe they prayed or interceded for us? on the contrary colossians 2:18- "Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize"
soccer21928 1 year ago
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@soccer21928 Wow are you out there. Christ died on the cross for Our Sins. Christ is 3 in one. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost (Spirit).
dmkdaniels1 1 year ago
Until America was founded, with a motto "We Have No King", people for thousands of years bowed or kneeled to the kings out of respect to their authority, not as worshiping them as a god. Americans forget this. Some did worship the Caesars as a god but European kings like King James or King Henry VIII were bowed and kneeled too. Many used the title ‘Your Worship’ not perceiving them as a god. Catholics kneel to a stature in remembrance of that saint, not in worship of it or him. They intercede.
ihsrc 1 year ago
@ihsrc when you venerate mary, its called hyperdulia, correct? by worshiping or venerating her, you indirectly worship God. when its just regular old saints, its basically the same thing, only called dulia. you may remember, God expressly forbid us to make images in the form of anything on earth, and he said not to worship OR bow down to them. as for the church itself, it has been steadily evolving. the church in the 4th century was nothing like the rcc today.
soccer21928 1 year ago
Hyperdulia vs dulia would be somewhat like the bible saying; “Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour (1Tim 5:17). No all receive double honour, yet some deserve more than others. God sure did command the making of images. Ex 25:18-22, 26:1 Thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, Num 21:8,9 The LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, 1Ki 6:23-29, 35, 7:29 Solomon's temple had statues and images. Do you have ANY figurines, (dog, fruit, graven images) at home?
ihsrc 1 year ago
@ihsrc i dont bowm to any graven image. that the huge difference. God wasnt condemning sculpture. the problem comes in when we bend a knee to those objects, either in worship to them, or to what they represent because we think it brings us closer to the divine. so the major difference is, i dont bow to a statue, because the Lord said not to serve OR bow down to them.
soccer21928 1 year ago
"What does the bible say about private interpretation?"
2 Peter 1:20
First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of ones own interpretation.
ljsedivy 1 year ago
"Since the Catholic Church that the Bible is the true word of God, I'm putting Catholic Doctrine to the Biblical test"
You mean your interpretation. Matt, what does the Bible say about private interpretation? Matt, we know that when you say "contradicts scripture" or "guided by the Holy Spirit" these are aliases for "Matts opinion". Matt, there's not enough space. Mortal Sins?
1 John 5:17
All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.
Debate me on carm. Username Aquinas.
mawst 2 years ago
Thumbs up, mawst. It's obvious to any Catholic listening to this video that references to the "Roman Catholic Church" show little understanding of the Catholic Church. He doesn't even know that "Roman" is a misnomer!! Anyone who knows anything about the Catholic Church knows that the Latin Rite is only one of many rites. Matt is W R O N G. Ave Maria, ora pro nobis!!!!
moocowmooyoumoo 1 year ago
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Catholicism is a very hard sell to typical Americans . AmProts. have a "its just me and Jesus" attitude and a "get your Bible and read it" mentality. They have no idea why the Logos became man and what Christ established here on Earth. Gods plan for the salvation of mankind is a Covenant, we are saved as a whole people not as individuals. Not understanding this people disregard the Catholic Church. Apart from the Grace of Christ in the Sacraments of the Catholic Church we cannot be saved. Sorry
tlingren 2 years ago
You non Catholics sure do call names alot first I was called a "Mormon" then I was called an "oxymormon" .....go figure :) . Gotta love orthodox teachings. Glory to Christ.
tlingren 2 years ago
why don't people just read the bible and do what it says instead of mixing in all the tradition stuff that is not in the bible...
Chase9803 2 years ago
Good question.
SeraphsWitness 2 years ago
Has anyone ever been converted to the True Faith from youtube or is this all done for our own Vanity?
tlingren 2 years ago 2
Does is frighten you that protestant views would be laughed at by the Apostles and early church fathers?
I wonder why this bit about faith alone salvation, eternal security, scripture alone teaching, arbitrary holy orders, thousands of denominations, taking books out of scripture and all the myriad WERE NOT FOUND ANYWHERE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.. until the personal interpretation of scripture and the false traditions of MAN, not of Christ, made them up.
Have fun protestants.
SetonsH4ll 2 years ago
@SetonsH4ll
The apostolic letters support 5 Solas.
Denominations result in different opinions on non-essentials. The Protestant Church is like USA that is divided into multitude of states, but still is one country with one president. We serve one King and it's not the pope. The RCC added Jewish myths to support various romanist teachings. The OT was already established long ago.
The Roman Catholic Church is one of the many false cults foretold in 1 Timothy 4:1-3 and other parts of the Bible.
MichaelGabrielR 2 years ago
to say that protestants are only divided on "nonessentials" is not honest. many of them have differing views on doctrines at the heart of the gospel. Some believe in baptismal regeneration (luther), some don't (calvin), some have very different definitions of sola fide (for instance, John Wesley's view of faith and works is very similar to the Catholic understanding). Some believe universal atonement, some limited. Also, who decides which teachings are essential and nonessential?
OneTrueChurch 2 years ago 2
The bible does. Romans 14.
Universal atonement and limited atonement do not change the conditions upon which someone is saved. These are Bible 101 questions, typical of those who follow tradition over the bible.
SeraphsWitness 2 years ago
"Does is frighten you that protestant views would be laughed at by the Apostles and early church fathers?"
-Conjecture, and unprovable.
-The beauty of protestantism (let's call it Christianity) is that we have one authority: scripture. It's interesting that you get to be the one to determine what "false traditions of man" are.
I believe that all tradition is subject to scripture. The tradition of the RCC must be in harmony with the Bible to be true. It is not.
SeraphsWitness 2 years ago
No you don't have one authority. What you have is a splintered church; anyone who disagrees goes off and forms another church. There is no Protestant church; it's a catch-all term. You interpret Scripture any way you want and everyone who disagrees with you is wrong and belongs to another church. That's why Lutherans' beliefs are clost to Catholicism and Baptists' beliefs are so far away. You don't agree with the Catholic Church or with each other. And it's not RCC; it's the Catholic Church.
moocowmooyoumoo 1 year ago
Well if there's some difference from the Roman Church and the Catholic Church at large, please illuminate that for me. Otherwise, I'm going to refer to it as the RCC to make it easier.
You're correct on one thing: there are several denominations. You're incorrect in thinking that they all hold exclusivity on the means of salvation. That's something the RCC does. As Romans 14 says, there is room for disagreement on non-salvific doctrine.
We follow the bible. Not man's elaboration of the bible.
SeraphsWitness 1 year ago
Where does the Bible state God's word is only found in the Bible? It doesn't. Read John 21:25. The Apostles taught orally & in writing. We accept it ALL. "Roman" refers to "Latin" & is one rite of the Church. "RCC" is accepted because we know what it means, but you aren't an apologist on a video. Slick should know better. We don't pray to statues, we don't worship Mary. The Church teaches that Jesus saves ALL, not just Catholics. We love Jesus - He is our Savior and without God we are nothing.
moocowmooyoumoo 1 year ago
What a joke! Accepting Matt.-Rev.= accepting RC authority. (Council of Carthage + Hippo) Nothing in Catholicism contradicts its own scriptures. Your arguments are dumb; they all end up with your god being a lesser being than the Catholic God. You are just leading people away from the sacraments that they need to become partakers of the divine nature. IndependentFundamentalBibleBelievingNonDenominationalCharismaticCalvinist will have to burn a little hotter than the rest of us. Glory to Christ
tlingren 2 years ago
What the hell are you talking about? Purgatory? Go ahead and believe that. My King has paid for and cleansed me of all my sins.
seinfan9 2 years ago
Talking with protestants is a waste of time. They are brainwashed victims. In there thinking they are Anti-Catholic first, Americans second and then whatever denomination/heretic/cult next. There lives are a little better than good. there worship a little better than bad and there god a little better than Superman. Apart from the teaching of the Catholic Church you will not understand the way God works in his creation or how he exist out side of it. Glory be to Christ our true God for all things
tlingren 2 years ago
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Typical response from someone who doesn't know Christ: putting the authority of men over God mixed in with some insults. Pride is what got Lucifer cast out of heaven, and it's what convinced Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit. I don't consider myself a "Protestant", but I'll gladly take the label. Jesus is sufficient, which is why He said "It is finished."
Salvation does not require works, baptism, or purgatory (which doesn't exist). You remind me of the Mormons.
seinfan9 2 years ago
You have no idea why Our Lord said "it is finished", he was refering to temple worship-Judaism. Christ is "sufficient", but sufficient for what. We can still sin, die, go to Hell. The Sacraments of the Church are what apply the meritorious grace of Christ to our souls. Your version of Christianity is just a distraction that prevents any chance of Theosis. Glory to Christ our True God for all things. P.S. Please send your doctoral thesis on the vice of pride to Matt Slick
P.S.S. Your a Mormon :)
tlingren 2 years ago
"meritorious grace" is an oxymoron. The fact that Catholics believe they can even EARN grace is beyond a joke... its a misnomer! Grace by definition is UNDESERVED.
SeraphsWitness 2 years ago
You seem to misunderstand the teaching. The only time Catholics use this, as far as I understand, is for the Grace that Christ the God-Man earned for us as a Man. The Grace he alone has merited in his humanity. Non-Catholics tend to forget that our salvation is dependent on Christs humanity. It comes from a weak understanding of who/what/why The Incarnation is. Argumentation like this assures me that Catholicism is the only true worship of the Holy Trinity. Glory to Christ for all things
tlingren 2 years ago
Am I misunderstanding this? Please enlighten me.
"Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can MERIT for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods," (Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), par. 2027)."
Again, how do you merit the graces necessary for eternal life? There is only one "grace", and that its the one GRANTED to us by Christ.
SeraphsWitness 2 years ago
Well, I'll give it a try. First you must realize that the Love of the Trinity is in its self a reciprocal Love. So in order for us to receive Gods Love we must reciprocate it. That is the very Divine Substance of the Trinity, Love. Also understand that no Person of the Holy Trinity acts on his own accord . Second go read par. 2027 of the CCC for yourself and then repost it in its entirety so everyone can see how deceitful you are being with your partial quotes. Glory to Christ
tlingren 2 years ago
Look up the word merit. Look up the word grace. Become a Christian.
SeraphsWitness 2 years ago
Yes, but if I include the whole quote, it's self-contradictory.
"No one can MERIT the initial grace which is at the origin of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can MERIT for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods," (Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), par. 2027).
What's the difference between grace at conversion and... the graces needed for eternal life? There is none... this is more unbiblical nonsense.
SeraphsWitness 2 years ago
Forgive my preemptive post. The Graces in conversion deal more with spiritual sensitivity, the Graces needed for eternal life have more to do with perseverance and purification. All are being given by God and reciprocated by the sinner who is becoming a true Lover of God. Its not "unbiblical nonsense" but, the real life application of the Gospel and Gods Grace which are only contained within the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. You misunderstand the use of merit and Grace in theology
tlingren 2 years ago
Does the bible make those distinctions in grace?
SeraphsWitness 2 years ago
Here, I'll do it for you. par 2027 of the CCC says: " NO ONE CAN MERIT THE INITIAL GRACE WHICH IS AT THE ORIGIN OF CONVERSION. Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods." We can see that non Catholics such as SeraphsWitness have to use deceitful double standards to make up for the lack of transparency in their beliefs. Glory to Christ
tlingren 2 years ago
"earn" does not equal "merit". We do not earn graces from God however, we believe that God does give an increase grace to those who pray and perservere in obedience. But this isn't "earning" in the strict sense since God is not giving leagal payment for works done, rather he is rewarding out of love. God is not obligated to reward us with grace but he does so out of love. So it is still undeserved favor since he do not deserve to be rewarded with God's grace but he does so anyways.
OneTrueChurch 2 years ago 2
Thank you, SeraphsWitness. It is surprising to me that somehow this simple, logical, clearly Biblical truth is still disbelieved.
MatthewMcIntyre321 2 years ago
Referring to temple worship? Wow, so the prophecy in Genesis 3:15 means absolutely nothing. Romans 11:6 states it cannot be of both grace and works, it's one or the other. You cannot earn grace, otherwise it would no longer be grace.
The impossible gospel: do all that you possibly can. How long have you prayed today? Are you trying to memorize all of scripture? Have you traveled across the world to share the gospel? Have you been keeping all 300+ commandments of the OT? I doubt you are.
seinfan9 2 years ago
Out of God proceeds Grace to the man whom it is given proceed Faith+Works. That is the true Gospel, given by Christ to his Apostles. You lost me at Gen. 3:15, Its a prophecy about the Blessed Virgin Mary bearing the Incarnate God, whose body is the Church, whom triumphs over the devil. It means a whole lot to any one who longs to partake in that prophecy as a member of that triumphant body. The Gospel is impossible apart from Gods Grace, which is only contained within the Catholic Church.
tlingren 2 years ago
So now God shares His glory with Mary. Because that verse obviously says that it would be the vessel holding the Incarnation of the Word that would conquer Satan, and not the Seed.
It's truly sad that you claim that only Catholics can be saved. In actuality, Jesus said that whoever believes in Him, who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, would be saved. I sincerely doubt that the thief on the cross was Catholic.
Let me ask again: how are you doing with your impossible gospel?
seinfan9 2 years ago
Absolutely, God shares His Glory with His creatures. Thats what Grace essentially is. Your misunderstanding, the Womans Seed is Christ who is the victor through His Church. It is sad to live life around catch phrases that dont pertain to those whom God has not chosen. The thief on the cross has very little to do with Gods plan of salvation. It shows Gods great Mercy, but for salvation is irrelevant to anyone who is not on a cross next to Christ professing Him as the Son of God. Glory to Christ
tlingren 2 years ago
It so hard to show sarcasm over the internet. I know the Seed is Christ, you were the one saying that Mary shares this conquering of Satan. And no, God does not share His glory with another (Isaiah 48:11).
Of course, the thief himself has nothing to do with God's plan of salvation, but it demonstrates how salvation given to us and not earned. We should be the ones on a cross, but Jesus took that punishment for us for ALL our sins. And yes, glory to Christ, not Mary.
seinfan9 2 years ago
Did Mary "share" in The Incarnation of the Logos? Is the Church the Body of Christ?
The Church uses whats called equivocal language. There is no Glory that compares to the Lords. What we are talking about is Him allowing us to partake of His glory not magnifying our own as the Jews did. This is what St. Peter means when he says "we become partakers of the divine nature". To a Catholic thats what being saved is and it is a process, not one time thing. AmProts are delusional and self introverted.
tlingren 2 years ago
Self introverted!? That's quite a claim by someone who believes that works are essential to salvation!... And that grace is earned despite the self-refuting logic of it.
seinfan9 2 years ago
So essentially you profess that the method by which someone is saved... differs from person to person?
Dear God. How much clearer does Jesus need to be than "NO MAN comes to the father but through me"?
SeraphsWitness 1 year ago
"Let me ask again: how are you doing with your impossible gospel? "
I am repenting and trying to persevere until the end for fear of being turned away the Kingdom of God, I am Working my salvation out with fear and trembling. I am doing my best to pray without ceasing, trying to Love as; God is Love. I will make my vows and keep them. and again ask ; Lord Jesus Christ Son of God have Mercy on me a sinner. If you actually care pray for yourself and then for me. Glory to Christ for all things
tlingren 2 years ago
If you keep repenting, you haven't repented. Repentance is a one time thing.
seinfan9 2 years ago