I provide you with AMMTIAC, you claim amptiac, rather than the facts in the article. I provide the LLNL patent search, tell you the name and the year, which is HOW IT IS FOUND, and you claim you don't want to search.
That's the only way LLNL allows a patent search, by year and name.
You can lead a horse to water, but he will likely shit there, than drink.
I've read the article. AMPTIAC is one of MANY publications. You lie and tell half-truths about the article, which you even mistakenly refer to as "AMMTIAC", because that's what it's apparently called now, not then. Have you even LOOKED at the front cover? I've read the entire article many, many times. Before you did. After you did. Still do.
You don't source your claims about the patent, the pilot lab and the "ponying up" of the production process. Please provide them.
By the way, where is that Nano technology reference you promised me existed for decades before the 1990s, liar?
I have been posting a reward of $500 for ANY truther with an ATF explosives license, OR a single pound of Nano thermite for over SIX months, and I still have my $500.
Indeed, you allege I said: "for DECADES BEFORE the 1990s" while I actually said: "according to AMP, is a field DATING BACK TO 1991"
You are off by DECADES. I could have claimed what you said, but in fact I didn't.
The "thermobaric warhead" listed on page 43 contains a MIC shaped charge initiator. Of course the initiator isn't the same as the warhead. The former is a component of the latter.
Actually, I already sourced my patent claim, the NANO explosives patent belongs to Daniel Makiowieki in 1996, and is found at the LLNL website.
I always thought Truther Morons never read my replies, or knew what they are talking about, now I know.
SINCE I gave you the address to the front cover of the report, and you did not know AMPTIAC from AMMTIAC, which is on the website URL below, I doubt you know materials processes.
To the poster below: The same thing over and over? Such as the nano-thermite recently proven to be in the remains of the WTC towers (search Dr. Niels Harrit on youtube)? Let's be curious as a people. We should ask questions; it is our (US citizens) responsibility to do so. There are many questions to be asked. 9/11 was a preventable catastrophy.
Sorry, the debunking of Nano thermite was completed in 2005, actually, when the AMPTIAC report documenting it didn't exist until 2002 was released in December 2002.
Here it is.
AMMTIAC Nano thermite. The production capacity on page 45=80 grams/day.
ammtiac. alion science. c o m / pdf / AMPQ6_1. p d f
OF course, at that production rate, you COULD sit around and wait for 50 years to get ONE ton.
Dr. Neils Harrit's LAB report came from a LAB, in operation for ONE week, then folded up.
Nonsense. Jones wasn't even discussing nano-thermite in 2005. It was Jones, however, that first brought that article to my (your) attention, specifically because it describes nano-thermites as part of shaped charges, and because it describes a mass production process.
The fact that large quantities of nano-thermite are discovered proves the mass production figures either false or inaccurate, not the other way around: figures do not disprove that which you can physically observe.
Lastly, I would like to advise you that companies such as Technanogy most likely DID have the capabilities to mass produce nano-aluminum, the key (difficult to produce) component of nano-thermite.
"Technanogy was founded in early 1999 as Nanopropulsion Corporation by Larry Welch, an entrepreneur and former venture capitalist, and Joe Martin, a top materials scientist at Los Alamos National Laboratories."
It's a contact address. The experiments were done using BYU equipment by dr. Farrer. Parallel tests were conducted in Denmark by Harrit. Additional tests were conducted by chemist Mark Basile and also by Frederique-Henry Couannier. The latter could not ignite his chips.
I don't get what you are basing your accusations of fraud on. But by all means produce documents and recordings to support your accusations. I'm interested. If you can produce something worthwhile I'll contact Steven myself.
Second, companies like Technanogy, didn't exist in 2001, check that yourself.
The PATENT for Nano Technology is owned by Lawrence Livermore, and IT only dates to 1998, production processes were not identified till 2000, and the pilot plant / lab experiment wasn't operational till 2002, as AMMTIAC documents.
Ever notice that AMMTIAC does NOT document an aerogel plant for mass producing Nano thermite?
"Patent for nanotechnology"? What on earth are you on about?
Dates to 1998? Production processes not identified till 2000? Indian Head not operational until 2002?
All of this is baseless. By the way it's "AMPTIAC" not "AMMTIAC". Mass producing UFG aluminum is key. That was possible at the time, either via commercial sources or via Russia or Japan.
AMPTIAC, furthermore, is merely one publication of many.
Jesus, Loccysmif, I provide the 2002 report, that documents the PILOT plant for Nano Technology, and academic and government enterprise, with ALL the documentation of how it works, and why it works, and here in 2010, you question it?
What, did I go back in time?
The HISTORY of Nano Thermite is included in the article, the owner of the patent is listed in Lawrence Livermore's Patent database, and the Indian Head start date, and capacity, is on page 45.
@Merlin5x5, I was aware of that report long before you were, so it's quite ironic to see you lecture me on its existence. It was cited by prof. Jones specifically to show the DoD accomplishments in *publicized literature* in 2001. To cite that paper as somehow to your advantage is laughable, sorry.
If you source, provide links. We can talk. A "start date" I don't see on page 45. As for capacity: this is supposed to be new? FYI: It's not. I _knew_ this paper before you did, it works FOR us.
* Acknowledge you are telling half-truths and full-blown lies
I'm here, you can stop playing the big man with this information provided to you and borrowed by you from SJ et al. . I have far more information on this than you do, and I'm saving it for a publication.
You can drop your little arrogant routine right here right now, because I clearly remember being provided this info LONG before your antics here.
Sorry, loccysmif, if you have a Nano technology reference before the 1990s, post it.
I can post the LLNL Patents page, where Nano engineered explosives is PATENTED by Daniel Makowieki in 1996, for instance.
ALL prior work on small, nano sized things was for Photo Lithography, not chemistry, for computer chips, and THAT didn't start until the mid 1990s, buddy.
"LOL, what I need from you is to get an education."
Typical pseudoskeptic MO: you claim to have information that you don't have. That says it all. So far you've been unable to provide me with any magic, Merlin. Time for me to go poof and focus on something productive. Bye.
(But if you continue to push your disinfo, I will challenge you wherever, whenever)
I am an industrial technologist, Bachelors and Masters, and I actually read AMMTIAC, LOL. It's on my channel.
SO, I was probably reading this in 2002, when you were in high school.
The start date is all over the article, and the problems. The problem with producing a LOT of tiny stuff is totally practical. NANO sized particles pour thru paper bags, and the idea of NANO chips is stupid, nano aluminum is METAL, chips get opposite charges.
Matching names alone does not make a positive identification. It amazes me how detrimental truthers are to their own cause. I almost feel sorry for them. They have a great conspiracy theory- it's very interesting. It's just sad that they run their credibility into the ground by repeating the same thing over and over again when it has been thoroughly proven wrong.
Last April a group of 9 scientists published a peer reviewed journal proving there is unreacted nano-thermite throughout the dust of the towers proving it was a controlled demolition.
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
If WTC 1 & 2 were destroyed by demolition & not by fire, how do you explain video of the exterior columns buckling under heat and stress loads 15 minutes after impact?
Why did Scholars for 911 Truth split into two groups?
Why did Dr. Steven Jones circumvent the peer review process by not showing his nanothermite paper to the chief editor and printing it without her approval?
Please, for your own sake, research the name of the journal that published that article.
Bentham has no credibility, and publishes anything. They are not a peer-review journal. They just recently got busted after they accepted and published a hoax article (for a $800 fee). They will slap their name on anything, for the right price.
Also, their supposed testing found evidence of very small aluminum and iron oxide particles in the debris. Is that really shocking? My car has those ingredients.
This video is shameful in its disregard for context. These were cases of mistaken identity, not the government framing innocent living men in a suicide attack.
The story about several hijackers stealing identities was more believable. But mistaken??? That would just open the conspiracy flood gates even wider.
The BBC mistaking one guy named Abdulaziz al-Omari for another guy named Abdulaziz al-Omari is not a conspiracy of any sort. It's knee-jerk reporting in the immediate aftermath and they've since corrected the story.
how can al omari say that he cant fly a plane and they putter him as one of the muscle hijakers.....the people who was on the cockpit was ziad jarrah for flight 93 and marwan al shehi who stroke the second tower and mohammed atta the first plane and hani hanjour which it is in the pentagon ,.... all of them were in the planes
"January 2001. The Bush administration, orders the FBI and intelligence agencies to back off investigations involving the bin Laden family including two of Osama Bin Laden's relatives, who were living, guess where, in Falls Church, VA, right next to CIA headquarters."
"When he was already America's most wanted criminal, he reportedly spent two weeks in an American hospital in Dubai, was treated by an American doctor, and visited by the local CIA agent."
"We have not seen one piece of evidence that links Osama bin Laden directly to the planning stages of September 11th."
Let me ask you a question... instead of your cute little queue cards where you state your 'facts' about these people being alive... why don't we have any kind of video of these people stepping forward? If they're so 'outraged' that they've been 'killed as terrorists', wouldn't they be out there on every television available to dispel all of this?
And why hasn't ONE reporter in this instant gratification society found these people? The 'truth' you claim is as ridiculous as you are. Drop Dead.
Stereotyping. Hmm. I think you should look in the mirror.
So a Jew is the same as an Israeli nationalist? And a Jew is the same as a Zionist? And a Semitic is the same as a Jew?
It's a known fact that there were a group of Israelis occupying a floor on one of the Trade towers. And it's known that Silverstein is a Zionist and took out a huge insurance policy a few months before 9-11-2001.
And a little commonsense would make you realize that Arabs and Jews can look & sound similar
I have heard reports that the voices on the sound recorder could be Israeli. Now, I am not at all accusing Israel of having anything to do with this, however, they could have been zionists, who are not accepted by many of their own nationals such as Orthodox Jews. I did not know Silverstein was a zionist, but it makes sense. I wonder if he insured the 400 tonnes of gold that went missing from the towers but was found later in vans around the corner. 400 tonnes of gold is a lot of insurance money
There are black sheep in every culture. Why is it now that when a Jew does wrong the whole Jewish population is blamed by proxy? I'm sure Mossad knew of the attack, but the benefits Israel would receive were not enough to risk killing thousands of American, they were just not great enough.
Praestantia thank you for understanding why I am angry. I don't look very much like a stereotypical Jew, but as soon as people find out the hard words never stop.
Sarcasm buddy. Ever seen Zohan? I know Israelis look like other Middle Easterners (the Persian ones anyways). Is a Jew the same as a Zionist? No, some Jews aren't Zionist, and some Zionists aren't Jews.
It is a known fact that Israelis died in the attack. Also do not connect the actions of Mossad to the actions of Jews, it's like saying Bush speaks for all American people
The word "Zionist" has been demonized.Sure sometimes early Zionists went about it wrong, but what is wrong with a homeland?
Yes, I still have to see that movie! It looks hilarious. He actually reminds me of a persian hairdresser I used to know. lol
Seriously though, I'm not at all saying all zionists are up to no good. It is like any culture and any religion, there is always a bad apple or two. Those very few might have an unsavoury agenda. But to say that people of one population are all the same is not only racist, but stupid.
I have not seen Zohan yet.I think Zionists have been demonized for good reason. This doesn't involve just a handful of radicals. This involves the highest levels of government and banking in America, Britain and Europe. Rothschilds, for one. Look into the background of that dynasty. Look at the Balfour Declaration. And if you think there is no racism among Jews, I have evidence that clearly shows there is. It's from an American Jew who moved to Israel and found out what it was really like
This is what a source says: The movement created by the Rothschilds to lay false claim to the land we call Israel or Palestine is known as Zionism. This term is often used as a synonym for Jewish people when it is actually a political movement devised, funded and promoted through the House of Rothschild and opposed by many Jews. The most visible Zionist front in the U.S. today are the so-called 'Neoconservatives', who were behind 9/11 and the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Zionists claim
quite simply that the Old Testament says that 'God' made the Jews his 'Chosen People' and gave them the 'Promised Land' of Israel. Therefore, it belongs to them, no debate necessary. As Golda Meir, the former Israeli Prime Minister, said in 1971: 'This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy'. The invasion and subversion of an entire Arab nation in Palestine has been based on texts in the Bible written
by who knows who, who knows when, thousands of years ago after the Jewish captivity in Babylon. It gets even more bizarre when you realise that the overwhelming majority of Jewish people have no historical or genetic connection to Israel, and the claim that there is such a connection is a gigantic hoax on both Jewish people and the wider world. The whole thing was orchestrated by the Rothschild dynasty to advance the goals of the ancient secret socities.
Don't you understand? This is bigger than Jews, than Christians, than Muslims, it's a ploy. They want you to get caught up in petty things like religion and race, it's all designed to tear us apart. This is not a "Jewish conspiracy" this is not a Christian conspiracy this is an evil conspiracy and it needs to be acknowledged and acted upon.
I agree that it is bigger than religion, but I think it helps to research and understand how religion and government has been used to bring about this "new world order." I'm currently watching a David Icke series called "Freedom or Fascism." He delves into a lot of this, though it is not comprehensive. If you want to get deeper, you have to dig. Are you familiar with the theory that a group of leaders behind the Khazarian empire adopted Judaism around the 7th century. I didn't until recently
They became the aristocracies of Europe and kept the masses in the dark for centuries, and used people, no matter what religion, even the religion they professed, for their own gain, even if that was Jew against Jew. Doesn't matter to them. Look into the Rockefellers and Rothschilds. They are supposedly Jewish.
They were never the aristocracies of Europe (save the Rothschilds) do you know your history at all? Almost every noble was a raging anti-Semite.
Do you believe everything you hear? Do you have any idea the persecution that Jews have faced because of claims such as yours? Ever heard of the Dreyfus Affair? Jews are constantly scapegoated, constantly blamed for the world's problems because we are a face to the crime. It was never "Jew against Jew" because there aren't enough of us for infighting.
Only a very small percentage of "Jews" are Semitic. The Sumerian/Khazars are not. They are the ones who moved into Europe, became the nobility, and adopted Judaism. They are behind Zionism, it has nothing to do with religion, or God's "chosen ones". It's political and economically motivated. Do the research, smart guy. And if you don't believe that Jew against Jew is impossible: oh brother, wake up. They (zionists), who many Jews are opposed to, want access to the middle east.
I know I know. Yes they are. Ethiopian Jews are still Jews (Beta), Indian Jews (Bene) are still Jews, and Kaifeng (Chinese) Jews are still Jews. It is a cultural identity, not a racial one.
The only recorded conversion of a noble to Judaism was the Polish noble Count Valentine Potocki. He was burned at the stake by the Catholic Church because of it. Other than that no Junkers, Magyars, or noblesse alike were Jewish.
There are no 'factions' of Jews that fight each other (Although I will grant you that most Israelis don't particularly like the Hasidic population).
Many Jews are opposed to how SOME Zionists go about there ways. Zionism is the Jewish quest for a homeland. Some Jews are militant, some Jews want it through diplomacy, but all (save those who oppose the creation on religious grounds) want to live in peace on land they can call home.
But of course, because they are Jews, it is now "evil".....
If you take over another person's land by force, then the ethical problem has to be answered by the aggressor, and this is what Zionists have not done. It's theirs by "divine right." Sounds like "manifest destiny"; America was given to the Europeans by God Almighty. Why? Because somebody said so. I would suggest you look into the Rothschild's involvement in Zionism, and the amount of terror and destruction they have wrought on their quest for ultimate power. Look up New World Order on youtube.
I never said the Rothschilds weren't vested in Zionism, nor did I say that they were innocent. Neither are they completely guilty, some are brilliant philanthropists. The world is not black and white my friend, you are just looking for a scapegoat to make it that way.
It wasn't by force, they settled there and Declared Independence from Britain.
I am perfectly aware of the NWO, and as you can see I am doing my part to combat it.
Of course. Religion is but a tool for manipulating the masses. It's not a theory, it's true the Khazars did adopt Judaism.
Freedom to Fascism is by Aaron Russo (A JEW. AARON RUSSO IS JEWISH)
Oh everyone's a "closet Jew" now aren't they? The Rockefellers aren't Jewish, John D. hated the Jews. Certainly the Rothschilds are Jewish, every man knows that. "lu ha'yiti Rothschild"
If you read closely (focus), I typed Freedom OR Fascism. Look it up. Aaron Russo had a talk with one of the Rockefellers (formally Rockenfelder), who laid out what they wanted to do (and by THEY I mean the obscenely rich, Jew, Christian, or Gentile, doesn't matter; they act with impunity - pretty much). Irrespective of what religion you are tied to.
Oh yes it is. Organized religion is the bane of human existence. All it does is tear people apart and create endless conflict. The only true religion is the one you choose for yourself, not the one pushed onto you.
The Rockefellers are NOT Jewish and there are no claims to support that statement.
Exactly, this is bigger than religion as you just stated there. So why, oh why are you pushing everything bad that has ever happened on the "evil Jew"?
Ahh so now wanting a homeland is considered "evil." Israel is the exact same as the U.S. They bought and settled on land, declared independence from Britain, and fought a war over it. Yea I've heard this "Ashkenazi" racism claim. Maybe some, but I'm of Ashkenazi and Sephardic descent and I have not seen any racism from either side (or obviously they would not have procreated!).
Zionism is not evil, misguided in many attempts, but not evil.
Yes, it is evil if whoever is taking over the land of the indigenous people. Same happened in U.S. with "manifest destiny". And Apartheid.The militant Zionists have no problem using their power to blow away innocent Palestinians. The "eye for an eye" philosophy still runs true with the Jew. They declared independence from Britain because Britain promised them the land (which wasn't theirs to give away in the first place). Your beef should be with US gov. They supplied money and arms to Nazis
And Palestinians have no problem building rockets to blow away innocent Israelis (oh let me guess, no Israelis are innocent right?).
Oh wait so now a group of people who make up less than .02% of the world's population are supposed to sit back and let countries blow them to kingdom come?
I disagree with many of Israel's war policies, but the right to defend themselves is not one.
"I disagree with many of Israel's war policies, but the right to defend themselves is not one."
Yeah, that sounds like what white Europeans said about the native Americans. They take the land, then commit genocide on the natives because they can, and justify it by claming "manifest destiny" (i.e. God gave them the right). Not that there is any morality involved.
Ah what do you not get about declaring independence? Exactly like the U.S., they even both declared independence from the same country.
What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is barbaric, and yes even Nazi like (as a JEWISH member of British Parliament stated). And unlike your claims that all Jews are world dominating genocidalists there are many Jewish organizations out there for peace. I just signed a petition for Shiminism, you should look it up.
What you apparently aren't getting is that the white Europeans and Zionists both did is take land that wasn't theirs to take in the FIRST PLACE. Get it now?? Any kind of Bible thumping won't alter that FACT.
all Jews are world dominating genocidalists>>> Oh, brother. I said or implied nothing of the kind. You also don't seem to get that a person can call themselves anything-Jew,Christian,Altruist, and be anything but. That's what this whole smokescreen is about. Don't be so defensive.
Actually the Jewish settlers bought their land, or, since Britain owned the land, they were allowed to settle and cultivate the land. Try looking up the Balfour Declaration. Britain was the aggressor, and later the Arab nations, not Israel.
As well the U.N. in 1947 voted to divide Palestine into 2 states, one Jewish, one Arab. The Zionists accepted this, but the Arabs did not. They later attacked the Jews.
Jews are Zionists->Zionists are Genocidalists->Jews are genocidalists?
Prescott Bush, Rockefeller, and IBM. None run by Jews, in fact Rockefeller was a very public anti-Semite. My beef is with the U.S. government. Why do you think I'm doing this?
It's possible that a person can say one thing, and do the complete opposite. Icke believes that the Rothschilds were funding both sides in many wars, the Civil War, World War's I and II, and others.
Are you doing this to cleanse all Jews from any guilt, or are you trying to see the bigger picture, which involves more than just the US government?
First mistake "Icke believes", just because David Icke says so does not make it true, that's idiotic. I have seen David Icke and I think he brings up some very good points, but that is no way to start an argument.
Well I know about WWI and WWII, but the Civil War? That's a little hard to believe. I've also heard the Battle of Waterloo scam as well, but it wasn't just the Rothchilds, it was the Morgans, Rockefellers, Astors, and others.
Am I doing this to cleanse the Jews from guilt?!? Seriously? Bernanke and Madoff are far from innocent.
Of course this involves more than the U.S. government, it's establishing a world order. But lets think about this....the U.S. Government is basically the proxy world government is it not?
The reason why they don't take these poor guy's names off the list is because, then, they would have to be accountable as to search for the names of the real hijackers. And nobody is prepared to do that. If I were those guys I would band together and sue the US government for slander!!
Well, if we're talking about the same thing here I think at that point it would be murder, treason, crimes against humanity...you know, that sort of thing.
You got the mistaken identity thing wrong. It turns out some of the hijackers used stolen identities. The people whose identities were stolen are still alive, not the terrorists. How come you didn't know this?
Why would you make such a silly assertion that the U.S. gov't doesn't make mistakes? But it you really believe that, then how could they have the "mistake" of claiming that living people were the dead terrorists? Your video makes no sense.
If it turns out they used "stolen identities" then who are they really? The government is using the people (who are alive) on the "stolen identities" recovered. So if the identities were stolen why do we not know who the real terrorists are, and why do we use the people on the "stolen identities"?
It doesn't make mistakes. Everything is planned and serves a purpose.
"If it turns out they used "stolen identities" then who are they really?"
The originally reported names of the hijackers were wrong because of the stolen identity problem. They were soon corrected. Which of the hijackers do you claim are still alive? Do they appear to be the same as the photos of the hijackers?
Once again, if you think the gov't never makes mistakes, then how could they have made the mistake of accusing living people of being dead terrorists?
Yes, but you're failing to realize that the people's whose identity was stolen (and are alive) are still on our list of hijackers!
Yes they do. Actually if you watch the video (actually watch it, not just comment) I provide direct quotations who state their photos and "personal details" are still being used. Prime case Saeed Al-Ghamdi. Even the FBI says it "may have overstated claims" on knowing who the hijackers are.
Well obviously they can't conjure people out of thin air.
1.)The U.S. doesn't make mistakes.why are the hiajckers "still alive"?Sounds like a mistake to me.I guess he thinks the U.S. is perfect .2.)They havn't removed them because those are the hijackers who they believed carried out the attacks.Why should they? You still havn't given me photos of "alive" hijackers and compared them to the FBI photos.3.) I already stated that some of the hijackers are a case of mistaken identities.You didn't give us evidence of the same birthdate, nationality,etc....
1) Officially the hijackers are dead. Obviously you can't blame an innocent (alive) man of a suicide attack. But the media has strangely dropped this story.
The story died because it was a case of mistaken identity.You would think even America's enemies would pick up on this but even they say it's all crap.
3) I didn't? Just look at Saeed Al-Ghamdi for instance. He was no where near the U.S. on 9/11 (Tunesia, that's confirmed), and gave an interview in which he was "furious" his "personal details" were used. So because Saeed's passport was "recovered", they used him on the list. After media coverage the Saudi's released this man's name: Salih Sa'id Al Batih al-Ghamdi as the potential hijacker. Yet instead of "Salih Sa'id Al Batih al-Ghamdi" they still use the alive Saeed Al-Ghamdi on their list....
The 6th hijacker, again where is a photo or video evidence that he is alive. I'm sure there are alot of hispanics who have the same first and last name of mine.The 7th hijacker and his brother have not been seen since before 9/11 by his entire family.If Atta's father claims his son could never carry out 9/11 then why was he prasing the 7/7 bombings and vowed there would be more terrorist attacks. Doesn't sound consistent to me. Atta hasn't been seen since before 9/11.
If he did receive a call from Atta then why did he say there would be many more attacks like 911 and 7/7 in which there would be many more fighters like his son. Not exactly consistent.
The 3rd hijacker "alive" has a diffrent age then that of the FBI hijacker.The 4th hijacker "alive" is 10 years older than that listed by the FBI.Again, where is his picture? Another case of mistaken identity.
The 5th hijacker is diffrent looking than the "alive" hijacker. It's funny how this video doesn't show any photos of the "alive" hijackers and match them with the FBI photos. I wonder why?
Why would the government use people who are still alive and spoil the whole plot?Doesn't make sense to me. This story got started after the FBI released the names. But, the story died after the photos were released on 9/26/01. Not one single leading newstation or newspaper has reported they are still alive since then. Not one.
Where is the photo of the first hijacker "alive"?The second hijacker has been confirmed dead by Saudi Arabia. Mistaken identity.
I'm sure there were hijackers on the planes, they would just need a lot more than 12 (3 to each plane) to make the story seem believable.
Of course it died, you expect mainstream media to support the 9/11 conspiracy? Logic my friend. In the confusion after 9/11 several stations picked it up, but dropped it after realizing it contradicted the "official" story.
So does the U.S. government control the media in Iran, Syria, North Korea, China, Russia etc.... Common sense. The fact you can't even go to those countries and prove your case shows all you have are theories. Thats it. If they ever become conspiracy facts it would hit the so called U.S. government controlled media in a micro second. The same media that uncovered Abu Ghraib and Guantamo Bay. Yet they wouldn't jump at the biggest newsstory of all time. Yeah right.
The government couldn't even keep waterboarding a secret. What makes you believe 9/11 can? Especially how so many people claim the media is in on it. For a conspiracy of this magnitude to take place thousands of people would have been involved and atleast one would come forward. To this day not one. Not one.
Do you know how many massive false flag terrorist operations were covered up until after the fall of the nation and/or declassifying of information?
Ever heard of Operation Gladio? Operation Himmler? Operation Ajax?
Would you come forward if you were responsible for killing 2,974 of your own people? Logic my friend....
Thousands would not have to know and thats where many people get confused. People are fed counter-arguments, speculation, and red herrings,bits and pieces,and false information
Let's see your'e a jew. Do you know how many people accuse you of your'e people doing this? I would expect someone like you not to believe in this conspiracy bullshit. but to answer your question, the answer is yes. Wouldn't you? Another reason why I don't believe this is because an event like this would've involved thousands of people and have only one come forward with evidence. Just one. Yet it's been almost 8 years an and nothing.
Oh, finally I get to see the "Jew card" played again. You know this has happened every single time. In fact the current man I am debating (horrabilly) actual accused me of sympathizing (even being) with Holocaust Deniers. The percentage of 9/11 conspiracy theorists who state the "Jews did it" are a very small minority.
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Just so you realize who you are insulting
Again thousands would not have to know. Who knows the whole story the general or the troops?
And for the record, the claim made is not exacto knives. Box cutters are more robust and easier to handle and more robust. And they never said sporks (strawman argument). The best reports we have are boxcutters and pepperspray.
Hey, I'll make you a deal. you stand still and let me attack you with a boxcutter. lets see who wins.
the Us government "does not, I repeat do not" make mistakes. You are so full of crap. The early reports were inaccurate with mispelled names. Go figure.
"I don't think they claim Burlingame, they just state how suspicious it is for a decorated military man to sit back and do nothing."
When they say something about Burlingame thats clearly not true(like the thing that he was working for pentagon few months before) is a lie. That is not to think something is suspicious, that is a lie beyond compare....
Actually LC claims he worked several years before (which he did), he just did not actually participate in MASCAL.
Besides it's not that relevant. What I would imagine is important is that a decorated military man, who has seen much conflict (therefore able to keep cool under pressure), is unable to even able to type in the 4 digit code signaling a hijacking.
Someone actually claims Burlingame. The creators of Loose change has claims him. And the creators of loose change was the very first to tell the world about the insidejob.
You and me will never agree I guess, you believe their alive, I believe not. Thats it. God bless you!
I love how you leave out the fact that POLICY at the time was to do what the hijackers said in case there was another person on board with a bomb.
Leave that out.
I also love how you point to flight 93 where they fought back. they fought back because they knew what was happening. Burlingame didn't, and probably had his throat slit in his seat.
Which proof are this? Someone write quotes from a terrorist: "Im alive..." And I am supposed to believe it. But when someone write "I saw an aircraft hit the pentagon" noone believes it.
If Muhammed Atta is shown in a video talking about his alive an the rumors about his terrorism, maybe I believe it. But I dont believe the terrorist are alive just because someone write quotes from them.
Well I would imagine that actual news networks did their research, but I guess that's just me. I would also imagine that the FBI who stated they "doubted" the identity if the hijackers, but I guess they were wrong also.
If someone writes quotes, doesn't that mean that the people who said the quotes are alive?
"If someone writes quotes, doesn't that mean that the people who said the quotes are alive?"
But there aint no proof that this quotes is real. Alot of the truthers make thing up just so I will believe all the junk about George Bush and the new world order.
I want to see the terrorist live on cam before i believe such stupid things like they are still alive.
I cant seem to understand the difficulty to get them on international television if the rumor is real. If the terrorist are alive, I wonder who crashed the planes in the name of gouverment not believing in the cause of Allah and all the virgins in paradise...
Theres got to be more proof then some articles to convict me.
Why would they want to go on television? They've been told they are innocent, and no charges would be filed. Again I would imagine that BBC, ABC, NBC, The Guardian, The Telegraph, ect... would be enough to prove it.
Rumors tell that the pilot of flight 77, Charles Burlingame, few months before worked in pentagon and he was planning the terrorist attack on pentagon.
Te truth: He actually worked in pentagon... six years later. He began working for American Airlines in 1979. And he left pentagon 4 years before 9.11.
This is only one of very, very many fake rumors among 9.11. I see no reason to believe the rumors that the terrorist are still alive.
No, no one claims Burlingame was involved in the terrorist plot. He graduated from the Naval Academy and was a Top Gun pilot. He devised and participated in anti-terrorist strategies in the Pentagon. He remained active in the Reserve and anti-terrorism exercises until 1996.
So why, with all that military experience, was he not able to overcome an exacto knife and spork, or even type in the 4 digit code for hijacking?
In the early parts of the investigation wrong names were presented by accident.
again, it is like saying with the name John Smith you are the ONLY ONE in the world. With common names (which half the hijackers had) it is easy to make a mistake.
How about that BBC and guardian CORRECTION stating that all 19 are dead???
Haha did I say that? You are, ahh how to put it, a "dumbass"? Would that work? Oh, yes I believe it would.
You ignore that the towers should have fallen in over a minute and a half. Again even if they had collapsed in 30 seconds, 40 seconds, 60 seconds, it would have not been enough time for the "official collapse".
Ah of course, anything that debunks the debunkers the vehemently ignore.
Also already sent you some, and I sent some more evidence.
"You ignore that the towers should have fallen in ... "
yes, I do ignore stupid points made by bullshit artists who think they know what SHOULD have happened during a 100% unprecedented event and have a completely unfounded expectation of predictability.
I'm crazy like that.
but you still owe me a picture of a 9/11 hijacker after 9/11. you sent me that one al-jezeera video still of what could very well be a hijacker before 9/11. you claim that proves something. it doesn't.
Haha Yea, whats your comment on that Sam, Histroy channel is cospiracy channel? Seriosly just stop, everything they had to convince us of 9/11 not being an inside job has been used in the 9/11 commission, and guess what, harry potter is less fictional that that.
it's been 7 years and not one of these guys have been contacted in person, photographed, videotaped, interviewed...nothing. not one. in 7 years. and you fucking imbeciles STILL believe it?
and 2 days after the attack when his son is accused of mass murder, his dad claims they had "a normal conversation."
that doesn't make any sense at all, and you shit-for-brains truthtards STILL believe it.
if you've got links with photos or video after 9/11, by all means send them.
but since you don't and all you have are links that rehash the BBC article from '01, an article that displays incredibly shoddy journalism since NONE of the sources in the story are in person, don't bother. keep living in fantasyland.
"hell they're stated in the video"
many debunkings of this crap are also "stated" in videos. and those are backed up with actual events, facts and logic
Ok I am. No they're not from the BBC, and the BBC is not "shoddy journalism".
Debunkings? How exactly do they debunk this?
I didn't, I used to be a debunker myself, I used to argue with the truthers myself. But then I kept on coming onto more and more evidence. All the debunkers use is the classic 'straw man' argument, that's what I used.
funny, I see the exact opposite on a daily basis. for example, calling foul that the 911 commission report doesn't mention why WTC7 collapsed. straw man since the commission wasnt meant to study building collapse.
can you offer one example of debunkers using strawman?
btw, the links you sent were as predicted. BBC rehas and no photos.
finally, what about the Atta conversation being "normal"? explanation?
How exactly is it shoddy? Because it doesn't agree with you? I think that may be the case...
It is, the WTC7 in itself proves the official story wrong.
The commission was meant to study every aspect of 9/11, and they didn't.
The most passionate debate you do is against Thermite and the building collapses. Only the science (which you haven't proved), when the most important evidence is left untouched.
PNAC, the War-Games, connections, testimonies, financing, and such.
Well it is sad that you still believe 19 arabs did it, that the laws of psysics took a day of on 9/11, by the look of it clearly you do not want to believe your government did it, you are not looking for the truth, you are simply doing your best and trying to find reasons for why 9/11 was not an inside job, there are none sorry, it was done by your president so they can get some oil, and start the fake war on terror, cya. Pathetic.
and how typical and transparent for yet another truthtard to bob and weave away when the specifics get too hard to defend. then it goes back to the big picture "well if you believe..." nonsense.
that's the sound of a truthtard surrendering. a truthtard who knows he can't explain 7 years and 0 photos but even moreso, he knows he can't admit even one point is bullshit. because then all the rest come down...
"you are simply doing your best and trying to find reasons for why 9/11 was not an inside job"
100% untrue and I dare you to find ONE example of me doing that. what I am doing (other than making you cry) is countering the idiocy of truthtard claims. nothing more.
obviously, your bullshit cant stand up to scrutiny.
History Channel should be more reliable than an internet moron.
I use 'near free fall', more than I use 'free fall', I know they didn't fall at exact free fall speed. It took several extra seconds for the explosives to detonate.
Again it doesn't even matter if they fell in even 40 seconds. That would still be less than half the time for a pancake collapse.
Someone once said "You can never underestimate the intelligence of the American people", and Unclesamphew666 is a living example.
Your country is being run by jews attacking your own citizens and you stand stay playing smart by bashing "truthtards", well, yea, We have the truth, and you got soon nothing, when these guys are done, the american constitution will be history.
Why bother with all these facts I have video games to play.
junglemike72 1 year ago
LOL, loccysmif, you are arguing in circles AGAIN.
I provide you with AMMTIAC, you claim amptiac, rather than the facts in the article. I provide the LLNL patent search, tell you the name and the year, which is HOW IT IS FOUND, and you claim you don't want to search.
That's the only way LLNL allows a patent search, by year and name.
You can lead a horse to water, but he will likely shit there, than drink.
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Merlin5x5 2 years ago
BTW, that patent is for the CONCEPT of Nano explosives, not the production thereof.
LLNL (lawrence livermore) didn't pony up a production process until 1998, and the budget for a PILOT lab didn't happen until 2001.
The AMMTIAC article is posted in the Spring 2002 issue. The article lists the equipment, and it would fit on your desk.
It's hardly the mass production you would need for the 100 tons Niels Harritt says he needs, is it?
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Geez, read the article.
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Merlin5x5 2 years ago
I've read the article. AMPTIAC is one of MANY publications. You lie and tell half-truths about the article, which you even mistakenly refer to as "AMMTIAC", because that's what it's apparently called now, not then. Have you even LOOKED at the front cover? I've read the entire article many, many times. Before you did. After you did. Still do.
You don't source your claims about the patent, the pilot lab and the "ponying up" of the production process. Please provide them.
loccysmif 2 years ago
Here is a tip for providing sources: xrl. us
To bypass Youtube's filters, all you have to do to URLs from xrl is to put a space after the dot between "xrl" and "us".
loccysmif 2 years ago
@loccysmif
By the way, where is that Nano technology reference you promised me existed for decades before the 1990s, liar?
I have been posting a reward of $500 for ANY truther with an ATF explosives license, OR a single pound of Nano thermite for over SIX months, and I still have my $500.
Merlin5x5 2 years ago
"By the way, where is that Nano technology reference you promised me existed for decades before the 1990s, liar?"
I said no such thing, and I promised no such thing. If you dare claim otherwise, cite me verbatim. You are rapidly spiraling into troll tactics now.
Here's a possible destination for your money.
demolitionexpertsquestion911. blogspot. com
But of course you never had ANY intention of giving that money away, just like truthers who make similar silly wagers they come back on.
loccysmif 2 years ago
@loccysmif
OK,
"To reiterate:
* Nano-thermite exists and has had the interest of DoD for decades.
* Nano-thermite research, according to AMP, is a field dating back to 1991.
* Nano-thermite is suitable for, among other things, shaped charges
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As I mentioned, LLNL has the patent on nano uses and processes in 1994, and on nano explosives very specifically, granted in 1996.
Nano thermite is for THERMOBARIC, shells, not shaped charges. Though related, they are not the same.
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Merlin5x5 2 years ago
Indeed, you allege I said: "for DECADES BEFORE the 1990s" while I actually said: "according to AMP, is a field DATING BACK TO 1991"
You are off by DECADES. I could have claimed what you said, but in fact I didn't.
The "thermobaric warhead" listed on page 43 contains a MIC shaped charge initiator. Of course the initiator isn't the same as the warhead. The former is a component of the latter.
loccysmif 2 years ago
@loccysmif
OK,
* Nano-thermite exists and has had the interest of DoD for decades.
* Nano-thermite research, according to AMP, is a field dating back to 1991."
I pointed out that LLNL has the Nano USES Patent in 1994, and the Nano explosives patent in 1996.
htt ps : / / ipo. llnl. g o v / ? q = technologies-patents
BTW, the YouTube filter will also pick up ht tp, and ht tps, ht ml, and other variants.
LOL, for windows guys, they are not bad.
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Merlin5x5 2 years ago
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loccysmif 2 years ago
I must revoke my thanks. You linked me to a search engine. Please provide a direct link. I recommend using xrl. us.
Really, it'll save you LOTS of effort providing links. When you paste it, no h ttp or h ttps in front is required. Just xrl. us/foo
loccysmif 2 years ago
@loccysmif
Actually, I already sourced my patent claim, the NANO explosives patent belongs to Daniel Makiowieki in 1996, and is found at the LLNL website.
I always thought Truther Morons never read my replies, or knew what they are talking about, now I know.
SINCE I gave you the address to the front cover of the report, and you did not know AMPTIAC from AMMTIAC, which is on the website URL below, I doubt you know materials processes.
The Pony Up of the pilot lab was in 2001, btw.
Merlin5x5 2 years ago
Sources are links. You provide no sources. If you want to prove something to me, provide a link.
loccysmif 2 years ago
I'm not going to Google around Merlin. If you have a link, quit playing games and provide it.
loccysmif 2 years ago
To the poster below: The same thing over and over? Such as the nano-thermite recently proven to be in the remains of the WTC towers (search Dr. Niels Harrit on youtube)? Let's be curious as a people. We should ask questions; it is our (US citizens) responsibility to do so. There are many questions to be asked. 9/11 was a preventable catastrophy.
Thank you, Jewfor911Truth, for your posts.
40son 2 years ago
Sorry, the debunking of Nano thermite was completed in 2005, actually, when the AMPTIAC report documenting it didn't exist until 2002 was released in December 2002.
Here it is.
AMMTIAC Nano thermite. The production capacity on page 45=80 grams/day.
ammtiac. alion science. c o m / pdf / AMPQ6_1. p d f
OF course, at that production rate, you COULD sit around and wait for 50 years to get ONE ton.
Dr. Neils Harrit's LAB report came from a LAB, in operation for ONE week, then folded up.
Merlin5x5 2 years ago
@Merlin5x5:
Nonsense. Jones wasn't even discussing nano-thermite in 2005. It was Jones, however, that first brought that article to my (your) attention, specifically because it describes nano-thermites as part of shaped charges, and because it describes a mass production process.
The fact that large quantities of nano-thermite are discovered proves the mass production figures either false or inaccurate, not the other way around: figures do not disprove that which you can physically observe.
loccysmif 2 years ago
@Merlin5x5:
"Dr. Neils Harrit's LAB report came from a LAB, in operation for ONE week, then folded up."
It's NIELS Harrit. Furthermore, could you please source this claim so I can examine its validity?
loccysmif 2 years ago
Lastly, I would like to advise you that companies such as Technanogy most likely DID have the capabilities to mass produce nano-aluminum, the key (difficult to produce) component of nano-thermite.
"Technanogy was founded in early 1999 as Nanopropulsion Corporation by Larry Welch, an entrepreneur and former venture capitalist, and Joe Martin, a top materials scientist at Los Alamos National Laboratories."
loccysmif 2 years ago
@loccysmif
The source of MY claim that the LAB REPORT is a fraud, is the paper submitted by Niels Harrit, have you ever even read it?
On the FRONT COVER, are the sources for the paper, the LAB involved is:
S&J Scientific Co., Provo, UT, 84606, USA
I simply called provo utah 411, and asked for their number, and they were out of business.
A check with the Provo, Utah Business license dept shows the business address as a UPS mail box, and the END of business one week later.
FRAUD
Merlin5x5 2 years ago
It's a contact address. The experiments were done using BYU equipment by dr. Farrer. Parallel tests were conducted in Denmark by Harrit. Additional tests were conducted by chemist Mark Basile and also by Frederique-Henry Couannier. The latter could not ignite his chips.
I don't get what you are basing your accusations of fraud on. But by all means produce documents and recordings to support your accusations. I'm interested. If you can produce something worthwhile I'll contact Steven myself.
loccysmif 2 years ago
@loccysmif
Second, companies like Technanogy, didn't exist in 2001, check that yourself.
The PATENT for Nano Technology is owned by Lawrence Livermore, and IT only dates to 1998, production processes were not identified till 2000, and the pilot plant / lab experiment wasn't operational till 2002, as AMMTIAC documents.
Ever notice that AMMTIAC does NOT document an aerogel plant for mass producing Nano thermite?
Never needed, never done, no conceivable use.
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Merlin5x5 2 years ago
Technanogy was founded in early 1999.
"Patent for nanotechnology"? What on earth are you on about?
Dates to 1998? Production processes not identified till 2000? Indian Head not operational until 2002?
All of this is baseless. By the way it's "AMPTIAC" not "AMMTIAC". Mass producing UFG aluminum is key. That was possible at the time, either via commercial sources or via Russia or Japan.
AMPTIAC, furthermore, is merely one publication of many.
You're rambling, lying, and blowing smoke.
loccysmif 2 years ago
@loccysmif
Jesus, Loccysmif, I provide the 2002 report, that documents the PILOT plant for Nano Technology, and academic and government enterprise, with ALL the documentation of how it works, and why it works, and here in 2010, you question it?
What, did I go back in time?
The HISTORY of Nano Thermite is included in the article, the owner of the patent is listed in Lawrence Livermore's Patent database, and the Indian Head start date, and capacity, is on page 45.
What else do U need?
Merlin5x5 2 years ago
@Merlin5x5, I was aware of that report long before you were, so it's quite ironic to see you lecture me on its existence. It was cited by prof. Jones specifically to show the DoD accomplishments in *publicized literature* in 2001. To cite that paper as somehow to your advantage is laughable, sorry.
If you source, provide links. We can talk. A "start date" I don't see on page 45. As for capacity: this is supposed to be new? FYI: It's not. I _knew_ this paper before you did, it works FOR us.
loccysmif 2 years ago
What I need is for you to grow some backbone and
* Give credit where credit is due
* Acknowledge you are telling half-truths and full-blown lies
I'm here, you can stop playing the big man with this information provided to you and borrowed by you from SJ et al. . I have far more information on this than you do, and I'm saving it for a publication.
You can drop your little arrogant routine right here right now, because I clearly remember being provided this info LONG before your antics here.
loccysmif 2 years ago
To reiterate:
* Nano-thermite exists and has had the interest of DoD for decades.
* Nano-thermite research, according to AMP, is a field dating back to 1991.
* Nano-thermite is suitable for, among other things, shaped charges
* UFG aluminum production is key
* NSWC ostensibly has a smaller production rate than competitors in Russia, Japan, and commercials in the US.
I know what process was used to mass produce UFG aluminum, whereas all YOU have is what we HANDED to you.
Enjoy the treadmill.
loccysmif 2 years ago
@loccysmif
Sorry, loccysmif, if you have a Nano technology reference before the 1990s, post it.
I can post the LLNL Patents page, where Nano engineered explosives is PATENTED by Daniel Makowieki in 1996, for instance.
ALL prior work on small, nano sized things was for Photo Lithography, not chemistry, for computer chips, and THAT didn't start until the mid 1990s, buddy.
Sorry, FAIL again.
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Merlin5x5 2 years ago
@loccysmif
LOL, what I need from you is to get an education.
The LAB is a fraud, created specifically to create this report, then dissolved. The Phone is turned off, the UPS box is dead.
My guess is Richard Gage is lying about all those engineers who believe this BS also. I personally don't know any, do you?
Steven Jones is a physicist, and worked on cold fusion, not materials science. His last paper was on the possiblity of ALIENS in ancient sumeria.
That's NOT a joke.
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Merlin5x5 2 years ago
@Merlin5x5:
"LOL, what I need from you is to get an education."
Typical pseudoskeptic MO: you claim to have information that you don't have. That says it all. So far you've been unable to provide me with any magic, Merlin. Time for me to go poof and focus on something productive. Bye.
(But if you continue to push your disinfo, I will challenge you wherever, whenever)
loccysmif 2 years ago
@loccysmif
I am an industrial technologist, Bachelors and Masters, and I actually read AMMTIAC, LOL. It's on my channel.
SO, I was probably reading this in 2002, when you were in high school.
The start date is all over the article, and the problems. The problem with producing a LOT of tiny stuff is totally practical. NANO sized particles pour thru paper bags, and the idea of NANO chips is stupid, nano aluminum is METAL, chips get opposite charges.
It's a silly idea.
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Merlin5x5 2 years ago
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@Merlin5x5:
"I am an industrial technologist, Bachelors and Masters"
Then you should stop twisting facts. You know better. Or do you?
loccysmif 2 years ago
@40son
Geez, 40son, I AM actually questioning authority, namely Truther authority, and their lab report, versus industry lab reports.
You don't think questioning authority goes one way only, do you?
Why NOT simply go read the AMMTIAC report below, you might learn how the real world works.
ammtiac. alion science. c o m / pdf / AMPQ6_1. p d f
Now, a Truther learning Truth, THAT would be scary and unusual.
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Merlin5x5 2 years ago
Matching names alone does not make a positive identification. It amazes me how detrimental truthers are to their own cause. I almost feel sorry for them. They have a great conspiracy theory- it's very interesting. It's just sad that they run their credibility into the ground by repeating the same thing over and over again when it has been thoroughly proven wrong.
diggingforgold 2 years ago
ORDER OUT OF CHAOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
truthforall01 2 years ago
Outside job... The Hamburg Cell!
TheTodd1977 2 years ago
Last April a group of 9 scientists published a peer reviewed journal proving there is unreacted nano-thermite throughout the dust of the towers proving it was a controlled demolition.
Stop insulting people and go back to sleep.
cashmny78 2 years ago
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
If WTC 1 & 2 were destroyed by demolition & not by fire, how do you explain video of the exterior columns buckling under heat and stress loads 15 minutes after impact?
Why did Scholars for 911 Truth split into two groups?
Why did Dr. Steven Jones circumvent the peer review process by not showing his nanothermite paper to the chief editor and printing it without her approval?
ctcole77 2 years ago
Please, for your own sake, research the name of the journal that published that article.
Bentham has no credibility, and publishes anything. They are not a peer-review journal. They just recently got busted after they accepted and published a hoax article (for a $800 fee). They will slap their name on anything, for the right price.
Also, their supposed testing found evidence of very small aluminum and iron oxide particles in the debris. Is that really shocking? My car has those ingredients.
diggingforgold 2 years ago
This video is shameful in its disregard for context. These were cases of mistaken identity, not the government framing innocent living men in a suicide attack.
cityhawk80 2 years ago
The story about several hijackers stealing identities was more believable. But mistaken??? That would just open the conspiracy flood gates even wider.
excel2078 2 years ago
The BBC mistaking one guy named Abdulaziz al-Omari for another guy named Abdulaziz al-Omari is not a conspiracy of any sort. It's knee-jerk reporting in the immediate aftermath and they've since corrected the story.
cityhawk80 2 years ago
my god what a devil government we have we need to repent for our sins
gggssky 2 years ago
how can al omari say that he cant fly a plane and they putter him as one of the muscle hijakers.....the people who was on the cockpit was ziad jarrah for flight 93 and marwan al shehi who stroke the second tower and mohammed atta the first plane and hani hanjour which it is in the pentagon ,.... all of them were in the planes
salattiya 2 years ago
Almost any alternative theory seems more plausible than the official story.
To automatically discount the idea that Israel did not carry out the attacks on 9/11 is as foolish as swallowing the official story.
Here is something I consider a fact because I have specialized knowledge in the area.
The voice recording attributed to "Mohammed Atta" is an Israeli accent.
I don't think it was possible for Israelis alone to pull off the operation but the evidence shows their participation.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
"January 2001. The Bush administration, orders the FBI and intelligence agencies to back off investigations involving the bin Laden family including two of Osama Bin Laden's relatives, who were living, guess where, in Falls Church, VA, right next to CIA headquarters."
2012isnear 2 years ago
"When he was already America's most wanted criminal, he reportedly spent two weeks in an American hospital in Dubai, was treated by an American doctor, and visited by the local CIA agent."
"We have not seen one piece of evidence that links Osama bin Laden directly to the planning stages of September 11th."
2012isnear 2 years ago
Let me ask you a question... instead of your cute little queue cards where you state your 'facts' about these people being alive... why don't we have any kind of video of these people stepping forward? If they're so 'outraged' that they've been 'killed as terrorists', wouldn't they be out there on every television available to dispel all of this?
And why hasn't ONE reporter in this instant gratification society found these people? The 'truth' you claim is as ridiculous as you are. Drop Dead.
Rich1515 2 years ago
I wonder if there is any evidence that the hijackers were in fact Israeli nationalists, who could easily be mistaken for Palestinian Arabs.
tizray 3 years ago
Oh yes they were speaking Hebrew, wearing yarmulkes, and singing Hava Nagila weren't they?
Idiot.....
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
Stereotyping. Hmm. I think you should look in the mirror.
So a Jew is the same as an Israeli nationalist? And a Jew is the same as a Zionist? And a Semitic is the same as a Jew?
It's a known fact that there were a group of Israelis occupying a floor on one of the Trade towers. And it's known that Silverstein is a Zionist and took out a huge insurance policy a few months before 9-11-2001.
And a little commonsense would make you realize that Arabs and Jews can look & sound similar
tizray 2 years ago
I have heard reports that the voices on the sound recorder could be Israeli. Now, I am not at all accusing Israel of having anything to do with this, however, they could have been zionists, who are not accepted by many of their own nationals such as Orthodox Jews. I did not know Silverstein was a zionist, but it makes sense. I wonder if he insured the 400 tonnes of gold that went missing from the towers but was found later in vans around the corner. 400 tonnes of gold is a lot of insurance money
Praestantia111 2 years ago
There are black sheep in every culture. Why is it now that when a Jew does wrong the whole Jewish population is blamed by proxy? I'm sure Mossad knew of the attack, but the benefits Israel would receive were not enough to risk killing thousands of American, they were just not great enough.
Praestantia thank you for understanding why I am angry. I don't look very much like a stereotypical Jew, but as soon as people find out the hard words never stop.
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
Sarcasm buddy. Ever seen Zohan? I know Israelis look like other Middle Easterners (the Persian ones anyways). Is a Jew the same as a Zionist? No, some Jews aren't Zionist, and some Zionists aren't Jews.
It is a known fact that Israelis died in the attack. Also do not connect the actions of Mossad to the actions of Jews, it's like saying Bush speaks for all American people
The word "Zionist" has been demonized.Sure sometimes early Zionists went about it wrong, but what is wrong with a homeland?
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
Yes, I still have to see that movie! It looks hilarious. He actually reminds me of a persian hairdresser I used to know. lol
Seriously though, I'm not at all saying all zionists are up to no good. It is like any culture and any religion, there is always a bad apple or two. Those very few might have an unsavoury agenda. But to say that people of one population are all the same is not only racist, but stupid.
Praestantia111 2 years ago
I have not seen Zohan yet.I think Zionists have been demonized for good reason. This doesn't involve just a handful of radicals. This involves the highest levels of government and banking in America, Britain and Europe. Rothschilds, for one. Look into the background of that dynasty. Look at the Balfour Declaration. And if you think there is no racism among Jews, I have evidence that clearly shows there is. It's from an American Jew who moved to Israel and found out what it was really like
tizray 2 years ago
This is what a source says: The movement created by the Rothschilds to lay false claim to the land we call Israel or Palestine is known as Zionism. This term is often used as a synonym for Jewish people when it is actually a political movement devised, funded and promoted through the House of Rothschild and opposed by many Jews. The most visible Zionist front in the U.S. today are the so-called 'Neoconservatives', who were behind 9/11 and the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Zionists claim
tizray 2 years ago
quite simply that the Old Testament says that 'God' made the Jews his 'Chosen People' and gave them the 'Promised Land' of Israel. Therefore, it belongs to them, no debate necessary. As Golda Meir, the former Israeli Prime Minister, said in 1971: 'This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy'. The invasion and subversion of an entire Arab nation in Palestine has been based on texts in the Bible written
tizray 2 years ago
by who knows who, who knows when, thousands of years ago after the Jewish captivity in Babylon. It gets even more bizarre when you realise that the overwhelming majority of Jewish people have no historical or genetic connection to Israel, and the claim that there is such a connection is a gigantic hoax on both Jewish people and the wider world. The whole thing was orchestrated by the Rothschild dynasty to advance the goals of the ancient secret socities.
tizray 2 years ago
Don't you understand? This is bigger than Jews, than Christians, than Muslims, it's a ploy. They want you to get caught up in petty things like religion and race, it's all designed to tear us apart. This is not a "Jewish conspiracy" this is not a Christian conspiracy this is an evil conspiracy and it needs to be acknowledged and acted upon.
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
I agree that it is bigger than religion, but I think it helps to research and understand how religion and government has been used to bring about this "new world order." I'm currently watching a David Icke series called "Freedom or Fascism." He delves into a lot of this, though it is not comprehensive. If you want to get deeper, you have to dig. Are you familiar with the theory that a group of leaders behind the Khazarian empire adopted Judaism around the 7th century. I didn't until recently
tizray 2 years ago
They became the aristocracies of Europe and kept the masses in the dark for centuries, and used people, no matter what religion, even the religion they professed, for their own gain, even if that was Jew against Jew. Doesn't matter to them. Look into the Rockefellers and Rothschilds. They are supposedly Jewish.
tizray 2 years ago
They were never the aristocracies of Europe (save the Rothschilds) do you know your history at all? Almost every noble was a raging anti-Semite.
Do you believe everything you hear? Do you have any idea the persecution that Jews have faced because of claims such as yours? Ever heard of the Dreyfus Affair? Jews are constantly scapegoated, constantly blamed for the world's problems because we are a face to the crime. It was never "Jew against Jew" because there aren't enough of us for infighting.
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
Only a very small percentage of "Jews" are Semitic. The Sumerian/Khazars are not. They are the ones who moved into Europe, became the nobility, and adopted Judaism. They are behind Zionism, it has nothing to do with religion, or God's "chosen ones". It's political and economically motivated. Do the research, smart guy. And if you don't believe that Jew against Jew is impossible: oh brother, wake up. They (zionists), who many Jews are opposed to, want access to the middle east.
tizray 2 years ago
I know I know. Yes they are. Ethiopian Jews are still Jews (Beta), Indian Jews (Bene) are still Jews, and Kaifeng (Chinese) Jews are still Jews. It is a cultural identity, not a racial one.
The only recorded conversion of a noble to Judaism was the Polish noble Count Valentine Potocki. He was burned at the stake by the Catholic Church because of it. Other than that no Junkers, Magyars, or noblesse alike were Jewish.
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
There are no 'factions' of Jews that fight each other (Although I will grant you that most Israelis don't particularly like the Hasidic population).
Many Jews are opposed to how SOME Zionists go about there ways. Zionism is the Jewish quest for a homeland. Some Jews are militant, some Jews want it through diplomacy, but all (save those who oppose the creation on religious grounds) want to live in peace on land they can call home.
But of course, because they are Jews, it is now "evil".....
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
If you take over another person's land by force, then the ethical problem has to be answered by the aggressor, and this is what Zionists have not done. It's theirs by "divine right." Sounds like "manifest destiny"; America was given to the Europeans by God Almighty. Why? Because somebody said so. I would suggest you look into the Rothschild's involvement in Zionism, and the amount of terror and destruction they have wrought on their quest for ultimate power. Look up New World Order on youtube.
tizray 2 years ago
I never said the Rothschilds weren't vested in Zionism, nor did I say that they were innocent. Neither are they completely guilty, some are brilliant philanthropists. The world is not black and white my friend, you are just looking for a scapegoat to make it that way.
It wasn't by force, they settled there and Declared Independence from Britain.
I am perfectly aware of the NWO, and as you can see I am doing my part to combat it.
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
Of course. Religion is but a tool for manipulating the masses. It's not a theory, it's true the Khazars did adopt Judaism.
Freedom to Fascism is by Aaron Russo (A JEW. AARON RUSSO IS JEWISH)
Oh everyone's a "closet Jew" now aren't they? The Rockefellers aren't Jewish, John D. hated the Jews. Certainly the Rothschilds are Jewish, every man knows that. "lu ha'yiti Rothschild"
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
Not true religion.
If you read closely (focus), I typed Freedom OR Fascism. Look it up. Aaron Russo had a talk with one of the Rockefellers (formally Rockenfelder), who laid out what they wanted to do (and by THEY I mean the obscenely rich, Jew, Christian, or Gentile, doesn't matter; they act with impunity - pretty much). Irrespective of what religion you are tied to.
tizray 2 years ago
Oh yes it is. Organized religion is the bane of human existence. All it does is tear people apart and create endless conflict. The only true religion is the one you choose for yourself, not the one pushed onto you.
The Rockefellers are NOT Jewish and there are no claims to support that statement.
Exactly, this is bigger than religion as you just stated there. So why, oh why are you pushing everything bad that has ever happened on the "evil Jew"?
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
Ahh so now wanting a homeland is considered "evil." Israel is the exact same as the U.S. They bought and settled on land, declared independence from Britain, and fought a war over it. Yea I've heard this "Ashkenazi" racism claim. Maybe some, but I'm of Ashkenazi and Sephardic descent and I have not seen any racism from either side (or obviously they would not have procreated!).
Zionism is not evil, misguided in many attempts, but not evil.
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
Yes, it is evil if whoever is taking over the land of the indigenous people. Same happened in U.S. with "manifest destiny". And Apartheid.The militant Zionists have no problem using their power to blow away innocent Palestinians. The "eye for an eye" philosophy still runs true with the Jew. They declared independence from Britain because Britain promised them the land (which wasn't theirs to give away in the first place). Your beef should be with US gov. They supplied money and arms to Nazis
tizray 2 years ago
And Palestinians have no problem building rockets to blow away innocent Israelis (oh let me guess, no Israelis are innocent right?).
Oh wait so now a group of people who make up less than .02% of the world's population are supposed to sit back and let countries blow them to kingdom come?
I disagree with many of Israel's war policies, but the right to defend themselves is not one.
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
"I disagree with many of Israel's war policies, but the right to defend themselves is not one."
Yeah, that sounds like what white Europeans said about the native Americans. They take the land, then commit genocide on the natives because they can, and justify it by claming "manifest destiny" (i.e. God gave them the right). Not that there is any morality involved.
tizray 2 years ago
Ah what do you not get about declaring independence? Exactly like the U.S., they even both declared independence from the same country.
What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is barbaric, and yes even Nazi like (as a JEWISH member of British Parliament stated). And unlike your claims that all Jews are world dominating genocidalists there are many Jewish organizations out there for peace. I just signed a petition for Shiminism, you should look it up.
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
What you apparently aren't getting is that the white Europeans and Zionists both did is take land that wasn't theirs to take in the FIRST PLACE. Get it now?? Any kind of Bible thumping won't alter that FACT.
all Jews are world dominating genocidalists>>> Oh, brother. I said or implied nothing of the kind. You also don't seem to get that a person can call themselves anything-Jew,Christian,Altruist, and be anything but. That's what this whole smokescreen is about. Don't be so defensive.
tizray 2 years ago
Actually the Jewish settlers bought their land, or, since Britain owned the land, they were allowed to settle and cultivate the land. Try looking up the Balfour Declaration. Britain was the aggressor, and later the Arab nations, not Israel.
As well the U.N. in 1947 voted to divide Palestine into 2 states, one Jewish, one Arab. The Zionists accepted this, but the Arabs did not. They later attacked the Jews.
Jews are Zionists->Zionists are Genocidalists->Jews are genocidalists?
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
Prescott Bush, Rockefeller, and IBM. None run by Jews, in fact Rockefeller was a very public anti-Semite. My beef is with the U.S. government. Why do you think I'm doing this?
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
It's possible that a person can say one thing, and do the complete opposite. Icke believes that the Rothschilds were funding both sides in many wars, the Civil War, World War's I and II, and others.
Are you doing this to cleanse all Jews from any guilt, or are you trying to see the bigger picture, which involves more than just the US government?
tizray 2 years ago
First mistake "Icke believes", just because David Icke says so does not make it true, that's idiotic. I have seen David Icke and I think he brings up some very good points, but that is no way to start an argument.
Well I know about WWI and WWII, but the Civil War? That's a little hard to believe. I've also heard the Battle of Waterloo scam as well, but it wasn't just the Rothchilds, it was the Morgans, Rockefellers, Astors, and others.
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
Am I doing this to cleanse the Jews from guilt?!? Seriously? Bernanke and Madoff are far from innocent.
Of course this involves more than the U.S. government, it's establishing a world order. But lets think about this....the U.S. Government is basically the proxy world government is it not?
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
Why aren't there any pictures of hijackers since 9/11?
NWOAgent23236 3 years ago
Some were killed shortly after 911, some may be still alive and in line. Who knows what is planned for them.
Praestantia111 3 years ago
How do you know some were killed after 9/11? If some of them are alive, why aren't there any photographs of them anywhere?
NWOAgent23236 2 years ago
The reason why they don't take these poor guy's names off the list is because, then, they would have to be accountable as to search for the names of the real hijackers. And nobody is prepared to do that. If I were those guys I would band together and sue the US government for slander!!
Praestantia111 3 years ago
"If I were those guys I would band together and sue the US government for slander!!"
dead people can't sue
NWOAgent23236 3 years ago
This is true, however, the US people and other countries can. Uh oh, this could get messy.
Praestantia111 3 years ago
The US people and other countries can sue who for what?
NWOAgent23236 3 years ago
Well, if we're talking about the same thing here I think at that point it would be murder, treason, crimes against humanity...you know, that sort of thing.
Praestantia111 3 years ago
You got the mistaken identity thing wrong. It turns out some of the hijackers used stolen identities. The people whose identities were stolen are still alive, not the terrorists. How come you didn't know this?
Why would you make such a silly assertion that the U.S. gov't doesn't make mistakes? But it you really believe that, then how could they have the "mistake" of claiming that living people were the dead terrorists? Your video makes no sense.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
If it turns out they used "stolen identities" then who are they really? The government is using the people (who are alive) on the "stolen identities" recovered. So if the identities were stolen why do we not know who the real terrorists are, and why do we use the people on the "stolen identities"?
It doesn't make mistakes. Everything is planned and serves a purpose.
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
"If it turns out they used "stolen identities" then who are they really?"
The originally reported names of the hijackers were wrong because of the stolen identity problem. They were soon corrected. Which of the hijackers do you claim are still alive? Do they appear to be the same as the photos of the hijackers?
Once again, if you think the gov't never makes mistakes, then how could they have made the mistake of accusing living people of being dead terrorists?
PoetryHound 3 years ago
Yes, but you're failing to realize that the people's whose identity was stolen (and are alive) are still on our list of hijackers!
Yes they do. Actually if you watch the video (actually watch it, not just comment) I provide direct quotations who state their photos and "personal details" are still being used. Prime case Saeed Al-Ghamdi. Even the FBI says it "may have overstated claims" on knowing who the hijackers are.
Well obviously they can't conjure people out of thin air.
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
1.)The U.S. doesn't make mistakes.why are the hiajckers "still alive"?Sounds like a mistake to me.I guess he thinks the U.S. is perfect .2.)They havn't removed them because those are the hijackers who they believed carried out the attacks.Why should they? You still havn't given me photos of "alive" hijackers and compared them to the FBI photos.3.) I already stated that some of the hijackers are a case of mistaken identities.You didn't give us evidence of the same birthdate, nationality,etc....
AmericasFan 3 years ago
1) Officially the hijackers are dead. Obviously you can't blame an innocent (alive) man of a suicide attack. But the media has strangely dropped this story.
2) Because CNN, ABC, CBS, BBC, Telegraph, Guardian, Sentinal, LATimes, ect... aren't reliable?
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
The story died because it was a case of mistaken identity.You would think even America's enemies would pick up on this but even they say it's all crap.
AmericasFan 3 years ago
3) I didn't? Just look at Saeed Al-Ghamdi for instance. He was no where near the U.S. on 9/11 (Tunesia, that's confirmed), and gave an interview in which he was "furious" his "personal details" were used. So because Saeed's passport was "recovered", they used him on the list. After media coverage the Saudi's released this man's name: Salih Sa'id Al Batih al-Ghamdi as the potential hijacker. Yet instead of "Salih Sa'id Al Batih al-Ghamdi" they still use the alive Saeed Al-Ghamdi on their list....
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
Mistaken identity. Does he look like the guy on the FBI photo list? Common sense would tell you that thats not him.
AmericasFan 3 years ago
Actually if you look at his passport, it is him. How else would they have known?
They also supplied other pictures of him.
Just look at the wikipedia page. "SAEED al-GHAMDI" not "Salih Sa'id Al Batih al-Ghamdi"
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
The 6th hijacker, again where is a photo or video evidence that he is alive. I'm sure there are alot of hispanics who have the same first and last name of mine.The 7th hijacker and his brother have not been seen since before 9/11 by his entire family.If Atta's father claims his son could never carry out 9/11 then why was he prasing the 7/7 bombings and vowed there would be more terrorist attacks. Doesn't sound consistent to me. Atta hasn't been seen since before 9/11.
AmericasFan 3 years ago
There have been two pairs of Wail and Waleed al-Shehhri named, both sets WERE reported alive.
I never said Atta was alive, I said his father said he was.
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
More cases of mistaken identity. Atta also said he hasn't seen him since before 9/11.
AmericasFan 3 years ago
I never said he was alive, as I have so stated twice. I just stated that his father claims to have gotten a phone call from him.
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
If he did receive a call from Atta then why did he say there would be many more attacks like 911 and 7/7 in which there would be many more fighters like his son. Not exactly consistent.
AmericasFan 3 years ago
I will clarify one more time. I did not say Atta was alive, I said his father reported alive. I am not so ignorant as to trust one man's word.
I'm sure there will be more attacks. In fact the most recent was not 7/7, but the Mumbai Attacks....
False Flag terrorism is now a trend among the nations.
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
The 3rd hijacker "alive" has a diffrent age then that of the FBI hijacker.The 4th hijacker "alive" is 10 years older than that listed by the FBI.Again, where is his picture? Another case of mistaken identity.
The 5th hijacker is diffrent looking than the "alive" hijacker. It's funny how this video doesn't show any photos of the "alive" hijackers and match them with the FBI photos. I wonder why?
AmericasFan 3 years ago
Why would the government use people who are still alive and spoil the whole plot?Doesn't make sense to me. This story got started after the FBI released the names. But, the story died after the photos were released on 9/26/01. Not one single leading newstation or newspaper has reported they are still alive since then. Not one.
Where is the photo of the first hijacker "alive"?The second hijacker has been confirmed dead by Saudi Arabia. Mistaken identity.
AmericasFan 3 years ago
I'm sure there were hijackers on the planes, they would just need a lot more than 12 (3 to each plane) to make the story seem believable.
Of course it died, you expect mainstream media to support the 9/11 conspiracy? Logic my friend. In the confusion after 9/11 several stations picked it up, but dropped it after realizing it contradicted the "official" story.
Link?
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
So does the U.S. government control the media in Iran, Syria, North Korea, China, Russia etc.... Common sense. The fact you can't even go to those countries and prove your case shows all you have are theories. Thats it. If they ever become conspiracy facts it would hit the so called U.S. government controlled media in a micro second. The same media that uncovered Abu Ghraib and Guantamo Bay. Yet they wouldn't jump at the biggest newsstory of all time. Yeah right.
AmericasFan 3 years ago
If the U.S. government controls the media would it not make sense for it to hide its crimes with the media?
This is not prisoner abuse and water boarding, this is something much much grander.
As a reply to the latter point
Time Magazine "[9/11 conspiracy theories] are no longer a fringe phenomenon, they are a mainstream political reality"
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
The government couldn't even keep waterboarding a secret. What makes you believe 9/11 can? Especially how so many people claim the media is in on it. For a conspiracy of this magnitude to take place thousands of people would have been involved and atleast one would come forward. To this day not one. Not one.
AmericasFan 3 years ago
Do you know how many massive false flag terrorist operations were covered up until after the fall of the nation and/or declassifying of information?
Ever heard of Operation Gladio? Operation Himmler? Operation Ajax?
Would you come forward if you were responsible for killing 2,974 of your own people? Logic my friend....
Thousands would not have to know and thats where many people get confused. People are fed counter-arguments, speculation, and red herrings,bits and pieces,and false information
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
Let's see your'e a jew. Do you know how many people accuse you of your'e people doing this? I would expect someone like you not to believe in this conspiracy bullshit. but to answer your question, the answer is yes. Wouldn't you? Another reason why I don't believe this is because an event like this would've involved thousands of people and have only one come forward with evidence. Just one. Yet it's been almost 8 years an and nothing.
AmericasFan 3 years ago
Oh, finally I get to see the "Jew card" played again. You know this has happened every single time. In fact the current man I am debating (horrabilly) actual accused me of sympathizing (even being) with Holocaust Deniers. The percentage of 9/11 conspiracy theorists who state the "Jews did it" are a very small minority.
patriotsquestion911. com
Just so you realize who you are insulting
Again thousands would not have to know. Who knows the whole story the general or the troops?
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
I'm not insulting. It shows how stupid alot of these theories are.
AmericasFan 3 years ago
Well I'm glad we can agree on that. Jews being scapegoated yet again.....
JewFor911Truth 2 years ago
BTW on your other video (which is now blocked)
You point out a pancake collapse should show distinct layers.
watch?v=FfgSr2eBXls
An ironworker doing the removal. notice what he says at 40. Cut away a wall and had 14 layers in an 8 foot section.
Is he lying?
The "meteorites" that truthers rave on show 4 distinct layers sandwiched, crushed and heated. But I guess that isn't enough proof for you.
horrabilly 3 years ago
Meteorites? I'm not sure what you're saying.
I've seen concrete fused with iron (impossible with the temp. NIST supplies), but no space rocks...
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
And for the record, the claim made is not exacto knives. Box cutters are more robust and easier to handle and more robust. And they never said sporks (strawman argument). The best reports we have are boxcutters and pepperspray.
Hey, I'll make you a deal. you stand still and let me attack you with a boxcutter. lets see who wins.
the Us government "does not, I repeat do not" make mistakes. You are so full of crap. The early reports were inaccurate with mispelled names. Go figure.
horrabilly 3 years ago
"I don't think they claim Burlingame, they just state how suspicious it is for a decorated military man to sit back and do nothing."
When they say something about Burlingame thats clearly not true(like the thing that he was working for pentagon few months before) is a lie. That is not to think something is suspicious, that is a lie beyond compare....
norfrik 3 years ago
Actually LC claims he worked several years before (which he did), he just did not actually participate in MASCAL.
Besides it's not that relevant. What I would imagine is important is that a decorated military man, who has seen much conflict (therefore able to keep cool under pressure), is unable to even able to type in the 4 digit code signaling a hijacking.
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
actually LC claims that he worked there the year previous, and participated in MASCAL exercises both of which are patently false. LIES.
So instead of honoring him, you are calling him a pussy. Fuck you.
horrabilly 3 years ago
Someone actually claims Burlingame. The creators of Loose change has claims him. And the creators of loose change was the very first to tell the world about the insidejob.
You and me will never agree I guess, you believe their alive, I believe not. Thats it. God bless you!
norfrik 3 years ago
I don't think they claim Burlingame, they just state how suspicious it is for a decorated military man to sit back and do nothing.
Haha well ain't that the truth...Nice talking with you.
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
I love how you leave out the fact that POLICY at the time was to do what the hijackers said in case there was another person on board with a bomb.
Leave that out.
I also love how you point to flight 93 where they fought back. they fought back because they knew what was happening. Burlingame didn't, and probably had his throat slit in his seat.
A box cutter can and will do that rather easily.
horrabilly 3 years ago
Which proof are this? Someone write quotes from a terrorist: "Im alive..." And I am supposed to believe it. But when someone write "I saw an aircraft hit the pentagon" noone believes it.
If Muhammed Atta is shown in a video talking about his alive an the rumors about his terrorism, maybe I believe it. But I dont believe the terrorist are alive just because someone write quotes from them.
norfrik 3 years ago
Well I would imagine that actual news networks did their research, but I guess that's just me. I would also imagine that the FBI who stated they "doubted" the identity if the hijackers, but I guess they were wrong also.
If someone writes quotes, doesn't that mean that the people who said the quotes are alive?
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
"If someone writes quotes, doesn't that mean that the people who said the quotes are alive?"
But there aint no proof that this quotes is real. Alot of the truthers make thing up just so I will believe all the junk about George Bush and the new world order.
I want to see the terrorist live on cam before i believe such stupid things like they are still alive.
norfrik 3 years ago
listep. wordpress. com
I've compiled all the news reports detailing this matter.
I would think that reporters know if their subject is alive or dead.
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
I cant seem to understand the difficulty to get them on international television if the rumor is real. If the terrorist are alive, I wonder who crashed the planes in the name of gouverment not believing in the cause of Allah and all the virgins in paradise...
Theres got to be more proof then some articles to convict me.
norfrik 3 years ago
Why would they want to go on television? They've been told they are innocent, and no charges would be filed. Again I would imagine that BBC, ABC, NBC, The Guardian, The Telegraph, ect... would be enough to prove it.
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
Proofs not anything to me.
Rumors tell that the pilot of flight 77, Charles Burlingame, few months before worked in pentagon and he was planning the terrorist attack on pentagon.
Te truth: He actually worked in pentagon... six years later. He began working for American Airlines in 1979. And he left pentagon 4 years before 9.11.
This is only one of very, very many fake rumors among 9.11. I see no reason to believe the rumors that the terrorist are still alive.
norfrik 3 years ago
Ahh well then I guess nothing will.
No, no one claims Burlingame was involved in the terrorist plot. He graduated from the Naval Academy and was a Top Gun pilot. He devised and participated in anti-terrorist strategies in the Pentagon. He remained active in the Reserve and anti-terrorism exercises until 1996.
So why, with all that military experience, was he not able to overcome an exacto knife and spork, or even type in the 4 digit code for hijacking?
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
The bbc said it first. the telegraph picked it up from the bbc.
They are dead. Their martyr videos are on the net, their governments have confirmed they were on the planes.
swing and a miss. Just admit you are wrong.
horrabilly 3 years ago
In the early parts of the investigation wrong names were presented by accident.
again, it is like saying with the name John Smith you are the ONLY ONE in the world. With common names (which half the hijackers had) it is easy to make a mistake.
How about that BBC and guardian CORRECTION stating that all 19 are dead???
Oh... massive cover up.
the conspiracy grows.
swing and a miss.
horrabilly 3 years ago
They interviewed him alive, what you think they pulled the quotes out of thin air?
I never said anything about the Pentagon.
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
"Why exactly are you commenting on my video if you hate Jews?"
another straw man. who said I hate Jews? I'm a fucking zionist, asshole.
an atheist, but also a zionist.
truthtards and strawmen...they go together like peas and carrots. same brainpower, too!
unclesamsnephew666 3 years ago
I was not reffering to you, I was replying to Xendrius.
Debunkers and strawmen, the same thing!
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
"I was not reffering to you, I was replying to Xendrius. "
um, you are Xendrius, you idiot.
you messed up and sent me a private from that ID.
no wonder you are asking if I got the message. I replied and it went to Xendrius.
try to keep up with your own bullshit, truthtard.
7 years • 0 photos • laughing at truthtards
unclesamsnephew666 3 years ago
No, I'm not Xendrius you idiot.
I didn't send you a message because I'm not him.
You never responded to the link I sent. Obviously.
Why would I pretend to pretend I'm a Jew, and a Jew hater at the same time.
You sir are on the brink of mental illness....
7 years + photos and every major news source = still laughing at bunkasses.
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
my sent box has the replies I sent.
I responded to both.
maybe they went to another of your IDs?
regardless, none of them had photos of the hijackers after 9/11.
none of them, including the al-jazeera vido still that was taken before 9/11.
you are full of shit.
unclesamsnephew666 3 years ago
"I use 'near free fall', more than I use 'free fall'"
so you admit you're full of shit. thought so.
"It took several extra seconds for the explosives to detonate"
LMAO!! too funny.
"Again it doesn't even matter if they fell in even 40 seconds"
of course. anything that chops the truthtard talking point into a milion tiny pieces "doesn't even matter".
also, 7 years and 0 photos.
truthtards...will they ever grow up?
unclesamsnephew666 3 years ago
Haha did I say that? You are, ahh how to put it, a "dumbass"? Would that work? Oh, yes I believe it would.
You ignore that the towers should have fallen in over a minute and a half. Again even if they had collapsed in 30 seconds, 40 seconds, 60 seconds, it would have not been enough time for the "official collapse".
Ah of course, anything that debunks the debunkers the vehemently ignore.
Also already sent you some, and I sent some more evidence.
Ignorance is bliss, is it not?
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
"You ignore that the towers should have fallen in ... "
yes, I do ignore stupid points made by bullshit artists who think they know what SHOULD have happened during a 100% unprecedented event and have a completely unfounded expectation of predictability.
I'm crazy like that.
but you still owe me a picture of a 9/11 hijacker after 9/11. you sent me that one al-jezeera video still of what could very well be a hijacker before 9/11. you claim that proves something. it doesn't.
7 years, 0 photos
unclesamsnephew666 3 years ago
Haha, ahh yes ignore the science, focus on calling me a "bullshit artist", and attacking the ego.
What exactly makes you think I am an artist?
I sent you the damn link, did you not get it?
Truthers:1 Debunkers:0
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
Haha Yea, whats your comment on that Sam, Histroy channel is cospiracy channel? Seriosly just stop, everything they had to convince us of 9/11 not being an inside job has been used in the 9/11 commission, and guess what, harry potter is less fictional that that.
Xendrius 3 years ago
it's been 7 years and not one of these guys have been contacted in person, photographed, videotaped, interviewed...nothing. not one. in 7 years. and you fucking imbeciles STILL believe it?
and 2 days after the attack when his son is accused of mass murder, his dad claims they had "a normal conversation."
that doesn't make any sense at all, and you shit-for-brains truthtards STILL believe it.
7 YEARS, 0 PHOTOS, 0 VIDEO, 0 INTERVIEWS.
and you morons STILL believe it.
unfuckingreal.
unclesamsnephew666 3 years ago
Are you kidding? How do you think people would know they were alive if there were no interviews or pictures, hell they're stated in the video!!
I can send you "fuckingreal" links if you want "moron with shit for brains"
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
if you've got links with photos or video after 9/11, by all means send them.
but since you don't and all you have are links that rehash the BBC article from '01, an article that displays incredibly shoddy journalism since NONE of the sources in the story are in person, don't bother. keep living in fantasyland.
"hell they're stated in the video"
many debunkings of this crap are also "stated" in videos. and those are backed up with actual events, facts and logic
you just WANT to believe the CT
unclesamsnephew666 3 years ago
and tell me how a "normal conversation" two days after being globally accused of mass murder makes sense to you.
tell me how your bullshit meter doesn't explode when you stand by that idiotic claim with a straight face.
seven years, no photos, no video, no interviews, no nothing. seven years. that doesn't make you wonder at all?
really?
unclesamsnephew666 3 years ago
Ok I am. No they're not from the BBC, and the BBC is not "shoddy journalism".
Debunkings? How exactly do they debunk this?
I didn't, I used to be a debunker myself, I used to argue with the truthers myself. But then I kept on coming onto more and more evidence. All the debunkers use is the classic 'straw man' argument, that's what I used.
Again I'll send you the links shortly.
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
the BBC isn't shoddy, that story is.
"debunkers use...'straw man' argument"
funny, I see the exact opposite on a daily basis. for example, calling foul that the 911 commission report doesn't mention why WTC7 collapsed. straw man since the commission wasnt meant to study building collapse.
can you offer one example of debunkers using strawman?
btw, the links you sent were as predicted. BBC rehas and no photos.
finally, what about the Atta conversation being "normal"? explanation?
unclesamsnephew666 3 years ago 2
How exactly is it shoddy? Because it doesn't agree with you? I think that may be the case...
It is, the WTC7 in itself proves the official story wrong.
The commission was meant to study every aspect of 9/11, and they didn't.
The most passionate debate you do is against Thermite and the building collapses. Only the science (which you haven't proved), when the most important evidence is left untouched.
PNAC, the War-Games, connections, testimonies, financing, and such.
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
"How exactly is it shoddy?"
here are the "sources" for this information, right out of the BBC article...
"He [Shehri] told journalists there" (Casablanca)
"Omari...has also been quoted in Arab news reports"
another Omari "...surfaced on the pages of the English-language Arab News"
"a London-based Arabic daily, says it has interviewed Saeed Alghamdi"
"there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar, may also be alive"
that's not a pile of bullshit sources? please.
unclesamsnephew666 3 years ago
Well it is sad that you still believe 19 arabs did it, that the laws of psysics took a day of on 9/11, by the look of it clearly you do not want to believe your government did it, you are not looking for the truth, you are simply doing your best and trying to find reasons for why 9/11 was not an inside job, there are none sorry, it was done by your president so they can get some oil, and start the fake war on terror, cya. Pathetic.
Xendrius 3 years ago
"it is sad that you still believe..."
said by who? the ones known as truthtards? wow.
and how typical and transparent for yet another truthtard to bob and weave away when the specifics get too hard to defend. then it goes back to the big picture "well if you believe..." nonsense.
that's the sound of a truthtard surrendering. a truthtard who knows he can't explain 7 years and 0 photos but even moreso, he knows he can't admit even one point is bullshit. because then all the rest come down...
unclesamsnephew666 3 years ago
I will send you some photos right now.
But I predict you will dissmiss them as "bullshit", just like the BBC, CNN, Telegraph, LATimes, The Sund, and the FBI.
Ahh classic debunker. Makes me laugh.
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
"the laws of psysics took a day of on 9/11"
LOL! you mean like the freefall speed fallacy?
can YOU count? watch?v=qLShZOvxVe4
not even CLOSE to freefall speed, truthtard.
"you are simply doing your best and trying to find reasons for why 9/11 was not an inside job"
100% untrue and I dare you to find ONE example of me doing that. what I am doing (other than making you cry) is countering the idiocy of truthtard claims. nothing more.
obviously, your bullshit cant stand up to scrutiny.
unclesamsnephew666 3 years ago 2
Obviously your bullshit keeps on getting weaker and weaker....
Because 3 seconds isn't close to free fall speed? You are a true idiot....
Again an example of 'straw man' would be passionatly arguing 3 seconds and acting like it is "oh, so important"....
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
3 seconds? I guess you can't count. look at the video count along. it's closer to 14 or 15 seconds at the least.
if 9.2 is freefall, know what 14 seconds is? approx 65% longer than freefall. 65% more isn't close to actual.
I'm sure it is to you, but it isn't to the reality-based community.
unclesamsnephew666 3 years ago
14 seconds? It was no where near fourteen seconds. You most likely skipped ten and went strait to 14.
In fact NIST just stated that Building 7 fell at free fall!
Haha here you go right here
go to digg
world_news/NIST_Admits_Total_Collapse_Of_Twin_Towers_Unexplainable?t=9889171
To the delusioned ones it might be 14 seconds, but to the sane ones? 10-12.
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
you act as if you watch the video then prove you didnt.
the video I sent was the twin towers, not the WTC7.
when truthtards mention freefall, they are almost always talking about the towers. tower freefall speed is 9.2 sec.
watch?v=qLShZOvxVe4
proves it was closer to 15 seconds for the first collapse and over 20 sec for the second collapse.
not even close to freefall speed. but truthtards STILL whine about freefall speed.
truthtards are religious fundamentalists. and they're idiots, too.
unclesamsnephew666 3 years ago
watch?v=olDOKEu_9WU
History Channel should be more reliable than an internet moron.
I use 'near free fall', more than I use 'free fall', I know they didn't fall at exact free fall speed. It took several extra seconds for the explosives to detonate.
Again it doesn't even matter if they fell in even 40 seconds. That would still be less than half the time for a pancake collapse.
Wow 20? That's stupid, even debunkers give 10-12.
JewFor911Truth 3 years ago
Someone once said "You can never underestimate the intelligence of the American people", and Unclesamphew666 is a living example.
Your country is being run by jews attacking your own citizens and you stand stay playing smart by bashing "truthtards", well, yea, We have the truth, and you got soon nothing, when these guys are done, the american constitution will be history.
Xendrius 3 years ago
"Your country is being run by jews attacking your own citizens"
LOL! LOL! LOL!
"when these guys are done, the american constitution will be history"
yeah, wackos haven't been saying THAT for decades.
LOL!
you'll say anything to avoid the specifics, won't you?
you'll say anything to avoid explaining why you still believe in living hijackers.
7 years + 0 photos = laughing at truthtards
unclesamsnephew666 3 years ago