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  • Just watched all the videos in this series, thank you so much for all the work you guys put into making them. I think you would rock everyone's world if you were to find a sponsor and do another conversion in full detail with perhaps lithium batteries. All the best to you, cheerio!

  • Hi, What motor specs should I look into kv, voltae, phase, torque etc that I can use on a 1990 Ford Festiva.

    Thanks

  • what motor did you use ?

  • what size motor did you use for the conversion..??

  • thanks a lot for share all that

  • what power have the motor?

  • Is it more easy to do it on automatic trans...?

  • I just had a thought.I think it's possible to install a small generator around the wheel to utilize its rotation and use it to charge the batteries whilst the EV's on the road.What do you think?

  • what kind of motor are you using? specs:rpm, voltage, hp...thanx.

  • is your dodge neon even legal to drive if you convert it?

  • @Jacno77

    What would be illegal about it? You still need to be registered, have insurance, etc.

    Other than that, it's just a car.

    If you are in an area with smog/emissions testing, you may need an exemption from that.

  • my donor car has an automatic transmission. i have found a manual transmission that will fit this car. anyone have any reason i should NOT put the manual in it? jongroven@gmail

  • This conversion industry are so slow. They are going to miss another high gasoline price situation that can push electric car conversion kits in commercial market again. Who kills electric cars this time? The greedy idiot f'king morons in the United State of America. This time is us and all of us the people.

  • Is the keyway really strong enough to handle that much torque over an extended period of time? I've seen multiple vehicles crack the nose of the crankshaft and shear the keyway off and crack the timing belt sprocket. And that just has to turn a valvetrain, nevermind a whole vehicle, and it isn't much smaller than what I see on that motor. I think having splines machined into the shaft would be a lot more reliable.

  • If you are going to do this, you need to make sure you carry a spare coupler with you and the tools to replace it while driving. Not trying to be a killjoy, I have just seen far too many of these couplers chewed to hell because some other maintenance guy would not take the time to align them correctly. I also do not agree at all with welding it to the shaft for this reason.

  • I used to use those couplers to mate electric motors to pumps and gearbox shafts. We used to use a laser system to determine how far off the two shafts were and then apply metal shims to the mounts as necessary. Without fail, if the two shafts were not aligned, those couplers would eventually eat through the rubber star and then proceed to chewing up the metal of the couplers themselves. Aligning them as perfectly as possible is critical for long use. Those that were lasted a long time.

  • Why did you use an AC motor instead of a DC? Every train locomotive I worked on that was AC powered was a pain and always had problems with starting to move. These were power houses once they were moving. A train can generate AC power eaiser that DC but you are going to have a DC power plant (batteries) now you will have to invert this right?

  • @chrstphrharp1 The builder got an AC motor AND its matching inverter/controller (AC drive) for free out of factory salvage. He simply modified the setup to run a car. An AC system is more efficient (no brushes) and features regenerative braking. He's also an electronics guy and enjoys the design challenge of this unique vehicle.

  • Ok - thanks for the good information. Can I use my automatic transmission in my 1998 Ford Windstar?

  • @robviolin1 no because it is electronic and and uses the ECU to control the shifting. You will have to find a vehicle with a manual trans and keep the project as simple as possible. And do not use a ford vehicle because most of them use a body module(ECU) to work componients inside the car. The wind star is a german design and is to complicated. If you are dead set on a ford use and older ranger pick up.

  • If you study the Nissan Leaf, you will see it does not have a transmission. It uses a drive train with a synchronous electric motor. How is your setup different from that?

  • @robviolin1 Some factory produced EVs with very high end electric motors use a gear reduction and differential. In this case,the transmission gives you the gear reduction. In front-wheel drive cars, the differential is built into the transmission. (You still need the drive wheels to be able to go different speeds to go around turns.)

    Also, with a single large motor, you just need a good place to mount it. That means the easiest thing to do is just connect it directly to the transmission.

  • Why did you not just connect the electric motor to the drive train? You would have saved 10% more power.

  • @robviolin1

    On a front wheel drive car, the transmission IS the drive train. A motor like this has a limited range of RPM, so you still need the gears anyways.

  • so why couldnt an altenator, or multiple altenators be attached to the rear axle to charge the batteries while the vehicle is moving?

  • Ben, Have you found any DOT regulations/ stipulations for operating these vehicles in Wisconsin?

  • @justfurfunny

    No, the only trouble I have had was getting through emissions testing. There is no tailpipe and no car computer for OBDII, so they can't test it. It took me a while to find the right guy to talk to and get an exemption from testing.

    Since it's a car conversion, (think Hot-Rod!) everything from the original car still applies.

    Last I checked, there is NO ELECTRIC check box at the DMV. Your car is gas or diesel only. I am not sure what they will do for the Volt, Leaf, etc.

  • @BenjaminNelson I live in Wisconsin and i don't know of any emissions testing that is currently in place. could you elaborate on the circumstances behind the need for the test?

  • @justfurfunny

    Milwaukee and Waukesha Counties both require emissions testing. It's a county thing, not a state-wide thing.

  • hi thnks for info,ryt now i,m thinking into makin diy car like F1 scale, i ve got everything check but still one thing i can't figured out, - Transmission, you have any advice.i,ve got inspired after see some cool video about people makin a electric car, i love to make one too, but still can't understand about the gearing part, its impossible to take actual car transmission cos involving many2 parts, and i dont understand at all,if only i know basic frame about go-cart, that enough for me

  • benjamin.. can i use industial AC motor, say like 30HP at 3000RPM.somethin like that, it can be used like this video ryt??

  • @BenqS42

    I don't see why not.

    The motor in this video is a standard industrial AC motor. This one wan't designed for a real wide range of rpms though. It keeps the original transmission to help match the speed to the motor to the speeds required to travel.

    View my other videos on this electric car project for more information.

    I also have an instructional video for sale at 300MPG.org that shows how to build a DC-powered car.

  • The Oil companies are trying their best to stop free energy ideas from spreading to common ppl.

    We need to put an end to this corruption ,start generating your own electricity now.

    Visit LT-MAGNET-MOTORdotCOM and get the blueprints . Join the Revolution!!

  • So ae you going to help me? Where did you get the electric motor? what is the power needed to run that motor. There is a lot more than just bolting it together. How many batts needed? Like 100? that is 10K in batts alone. How far a range do you get? Can you break this down more so everyone can attempt it and have a good idea as to cost. Or is this a BS video like all of them.

  • @silverpizza100

    Please take a look at some of my other videos on this project to answer your questions.

  • kasulik=useful

  • This is brilliant.

    Thanks for sharing!

    I would love to know how you went about choosing the motor and the car. I also would like to know if there was any issue getting the car insured and licensed?

    Thanks again.

  • @TheDoyleClan

    The car belongs to my friend, Tom.

    He chose the car because he already owned a PT Cruiser, which is the same platform as the Neon. So, he already knew how to work on one and that he fit in it OK (he's really tall!)

    The motor was salvaged from some factory equipment and INCLUDED the matching AC frequency drive needed to run it. Insurance and license is completely normal. If you want to get technical, cars like this would qualify as a "hot rod".

  • What do you plan on doing...turning the car off at every red light?

  • Why are you using a transmission?

  • @Landcruiser45

    On a front-wheel drive car, the differential is part of the transmission. You need some way to connect the motor to the wheels, so the easiest way to do that is to connect it directly to the transmission.

    Electric motors are not all powerful. While they do have a wider range of RPM than a gas engine, being able to use multiple gears will allow you to use fewer amps, keeping your batteries happy and allowing for longer range.

  • What kind of motor are you using? where did you get it?

  • That is alot of torque being applied to 2 set screws & a key. plus having to pull it apart to replace the spider. Will it outlast a clutch? will the setscrews? I know the clutch is extra rotating mass, but I would like the idea of a tried & true mechanical disconnect incase of bearing failure in the motor or some other unforeseen mishap. Just my .02, I still enjoyed the video.

  • @ttam999 Actually, the torque is carried by the key and through surface area shared by the mating parts. The set screws simply provide the tight fit, thereby ensuring load-carrying capacity of the system.

  • @ttam999 i feel the same way as its going to be really hard to go to gear 1 2 and 3 with out a clutch have the speed just right on the moter to move gear well we all know still good vidoe

  • In Italy this kind of conversion is almost illegal, just because of stupidity and corruption of the political class (but I must admit that many peoples here deserve these politicians because they still believe to their blatant lies)

  • can you give me an idea where to get a coupler like the one in your video

  • @mike72meek

    Couplers like that can be purchased through industrial suppliers like

    McMASTER-CARR

    (Do a web search for their page, YouTube doesn't let me post links in comments)

    They are available in a wide variety of sizes and materials

  • @BenjaminNelson Stores that sell nautical equipment also have these couplers - for coupling the propeller shaft.

  • Thank you. I won't be doing my own electric car but I love learning. Good job. We need to get off gas ASAP. Again thank you, I will be watching the rest of your vids.

  • Awesome! Thanks

  • Thanks for making the video. It really help me understand the principle

  • good idea, good job (the motor stops turning when you let off the accelerator, tumb up bro,

  • Hay AlamoCityCello, you seem to have a lot of EV knowledge, but I Give these guys credit for making the effort to provide us this info when you have not. Its easy to be critical about the efforts of others when you dont have a video to be critiqued.

    Peace man

  • Consider a folklift dc motor. Good value, simpler to use. Look for something from 100 to 200 lbs. Series wound is good choice.

    Volts from 48 up to 100+, amps over 200. RPMs are affected by volts. Example if the plate says 72v, 1825rpm, then if u run it at 144v then u roughly double the RPMs.

    As far as the Connector goes, Taper Lock is MUCH better than LoveJoy.

  • Have you ever done a conversion before? Nobody uses Bandor motors or love-joy connectors for EV's! Please don't pass yourselves off as experts on this subject. Sorry to be so blunt about this vid, but YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!

  • If they don't use Bandor motors or love-joy connectors... Then what do they use?

  • The batteries I am using are smaller than those used in most EVs (mine are about the same size as a standard car battery) 26*57=1482lb added weight. Yes, thats over vehicle gross, so I'm plan on upgrading springs and adding strut supports. The back seat is out to make room for the batteries and controller. Watch for upcoming videos explaining some of these choices.

    I have been getting grief from conventional DC EVers - this is an experimental project we'll see if it works when its done!

  • Sorry to rain on you parade, but I think you're donor selection is not right for the motor/batteries. U won't fit 20 batteries in the Neon. U could go for a small truck, or keep the car and ditch the motor. Contact LEE HART for advice. In a sea of "information", he is very well respected in the EV world. U can find his phone number on the ev-digest.

    All the Best..

  • The neon curb weight is about 2500lbs. The gross weight is about 3500lbs. You'll get 200-300lbs back from engine removal ect. Seeing that the engine bay is smallish, most of the 1100lbs of batteries will go in the back. The real question will be, how much weight will the back axle support. Also you'll have a BIG inbalance between front and rear weight.

  • FOLLOW-UP:

    Seeing that the Neon is a front wheel drive car, does it really make sense to have all that weight in the back?

  • The short answer is 300V DC (220V AC / 0.707 = 311V DC) I have twenty 75AH AGM 12V batteries - 57lb each and will need 6 to 8 more. The more voltage the higher RPM before it switches to constant HP mode. Controller: Baldor 900 series AC Drive. Yes, a match between the motor and AC Drive is necessary for reliable industrial use, but the needs are not the same in an electric car. I hope to make some more videos explaining this in detail.

  • What's the RMP's on that Baldor motor?

  • I don't think that Baldor will spin fast enough to get u over 35mph. Remember that most trannies like 3000-4000rpms. Sure you'll get tons of torque, but no top-end speed.

  • The baldor motor is rated at 1750RPM, the AC Drive can drive it up to 6 times faster. From 0 to 1750 RPM the motor is constant torque based on the AC Drive. Above that its constant torque. I will be able to hit free way speeds in 5th gear at about 3000RPM and need to deliver about 22HP to hold that speed. These numbers are based on some simplifying assumptions, the proof will be in the running car.

  • I just finished a conversion last month. So I have a little experience with a DC motor. If your Baldor M2515 turns 1750RPM @ 480V, then it sounds slow to me. What voltage are u intending to operate at? Looking at the EValbum, I saw only 16 Baldor motors on the list. No sure this is the right motor for your car.

  • The speed of an AC motor is not based on voltage like a DC motor. Its based on frequency. 1750RPM at 60HZ. 120HZ = 3500RPM. At 120HZ in 5th gear my top speed should be 82MPH. Realistically I hope to cruse at 55 to 60MPH.

    I plan to do a video on the math behind these numbers and some of the peculiarities of AC motors - for example more Volts raises the point where the motor goes from constant torque to constant HP.

  • Most AC conversions I have seen use pretty high volts. Something around 300v. So battery selection becomes a concern. I have also heard that the AC controller needs to closely match the motor to work well. What are u planning to use for batts and controller?

  • that type of coupler isn't a good idea on most conversion, even though most people use them. the reason being that most manual gearbox's run a spigot bearing to support the front of the input shaft on the gearbox. with a love joy coupler you dont get this support. do it properly and make a solid coupler. i'll post a video on mibe real soon!

  • Thanks Ipgas. If you can post a video, that's great. Make sure to post it as a video response to this one! I also know a guy converting an S10 truck, keeping the flywheel and clutch. I hope to do a video showing that as well.

  • The motor is a Baldor M2515 20HP, 1750RPM, 240/480V

    The drive I am using is rated for 30HP so I should be able to get 30HP continuous (read warm motor) and over 60HP for up to 1 minute (read really warm motor)

  • how you can shift without clutch

  • take it out of the current gear and slowly push it to the next gear.

  • In an EV, the motor stops turning when you let off the accelerator, so there is no need for a clutch when taking off, and when shifting while moving, you only need to let off the accelerator and shift.

  • Keep the clutch for safety reasons. If anything goes wrong and the motor jams full-on, ur first instinct is the clutch!

  • That's a big motor!

    Really looking forward to the rest of the series.

    Great Job!!!!

  • How much do the love joys run?

  • These two couples with the urathane spider were $130 at MSC Direct and $85 at McMaster-Carr. Note they are listed as a generic at McMaster but as Lovejoys at MSC.

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