Daniel Negreanu say : "THIS IS UNREAL"

[Midnite4Life777]

That Sucks! Daniel keep goin bro your my fav player! Godspeed and Godbless yah!

[fulltimespy]

AK doesn't need to hit, AQ needs to hit

[Altansukh247ify]

Fucking stuped huh Fuck off

[MrMaybe1]

If online poker wasn´t rigged, the poker room sites woulnd´t have a list of forbidden softwares that can be run while you play online !!!

[lover3344]

Anyone who thinks thats a coin flip is retarded

[nicolalatrofa]

???????????????????????????

[GrumpyGrebo]

Complete misread... no coinflip! More or less 3:1 odds of AK winning.

[GrumpyGrebo]

SO it's a coinflip.

[SeezaM]

@GrumpyGrebo How is that a coinflip? lol

[robbyyoz]

@GrumpyGrebo No, isn`t a coinflip. Coinflip is a pair vs two better cards, ex: 1010 VS JQ .

[TomislavP1000]

@GrumpyGrebo dont listen to this guys they are lying its a flip

[fall0rn]

Shiiiiiiit isildur playing negranu now on stars??? WTFFF !!!! is that bcs FTP got closed ?

[zzFOXDIEzz]

@fall0rn

Isildur1 has been a PokersStars pro for awhile now.

[gjnice21]

big deal aq to ak happens all day long i lost today with set of aces twice to fucking 82 and k3 and it wasnt in cheap tounaments either i caught the guy rr and rr them back or went allin and they called me with bs and hit runners now that is unreal

[sampleforyou]

That happens to me all the time when i play heads up.

[SoCaLsSick]

POKERSTARS IS RUN BY ISRAEL OBVIOUSLY ITS RIGGED! LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC SITUATION, JEWS BROUGHT DOWN AMERICA (WALL ST=JEWS)

[HeidestockUltra]

I play online at pokerstars since monday last week and until today i had 2 times a straight flush, 1 four of a kind, a few full houses and straights... seems unrealistic. you cant tell me this isnt rigged.

[mrkiky]

@HeidestockUltra Depends on how much you've been playing. In an hour you can play a lot of hands online.

[HeidestockUltra]

@mrkiky yes of course. chances to get a straight flush are 1 to ~72200... mathematically... I'm sure I did not play such a number of hands :) 

[mrkiky]

@HeidestockUltra Yea but still doesn't prove anything. If you play another 2 weeks and get another 4 straight flushes, that might get suspicious. But if you play another 144,400 and get no straight flushes, it would've all evened out. Sometimes I get 5 straights in an hour. Sometimes I get 2 consecutive flushes.(happened at least twice while I was playing at a real table). Probability doesn't mean it has to be uniformly distributed throughout time.

[Fedkar]

lolwat?

unreal??

This was the first time Negreanu played poker?

[monkefoahead]

stars is a scam.



[icanadian18]

pokerstars is rigged without a doubt. So obvious. Wish pros would just fucking admit it, because im sure they know.

[Geldour]

you seriously sit there an record other people playing? wow.. get a life

[WaspSnG]

@Geldour You seriously sit there and watch a YouTube upload of some guy recording other people playing poker, start talking smack because he's doing so, while you already knew that was probably the case when you clicked on the video?

Wow... get a life.

[Geldour]

@Geldour i was actually watching High stakes poker series on here, this just happened to come up on the right.

[Robben911back]

@Geldour Wow, way to go replying to your own comment

[Geldour]

@Robben911back rofl doh! was suppose to be at the downie who commented at me

[Da1337DoOD]

If he means the game, then no... this is not Unreal, this is PokerStars. If he means there is no way AQs can beat AKo, then no... there is 28% chance of that happening.

[stretchypants123]

How is this unreal? A player just had 'AQ' which was already considered pretty high cards against another pair of high cards and won.

[morssum]

Believe it or not AQ wins there nearly a quater of the time and draws other times as well... having played online poker for 6 years and had some sickening months if you analyse the averages, it all adds up - all major sites are legit. They make enough money without rigging the game, why rig it for a slight profit game but a guarantee of going bust if they get caught...

[FYROM100]

Sorry to burst every conspiracy nuts bubble (no pun intended), but online poker isn't rigged. You can believe it is all you want but after 200K hands i think i've had enough experience in bad beats and suckouts to tell you that, at the end of the day, it all evens out to a mathmatically happy ending :)

[MCFoultier]

@FYROM100

200K hands? not enough to be honest, especially in plo.

[Zee96969696]

@FYROM100 not for me it doesnt, u must be cheating

[da4ite]

this is fkn jokerstars ! soft for fishes!!

[touf8]

@da4ite totally agree with you man.fkn jokerstars

[Joeenglish98]

ever heard of Chris moneymaker guess who i am............Am not Chris moneymaker

[homoclovek]

He had More Chips... Because he win... Pokerstars software.....

[canadian01978]

daniel was probably throwing his computer monitor around the room at that moment...lol

[LtBitter]

He just lost more than I make in 2 years in about 20 seconds

[Davincidz]

@LtBitter you make less than 5000$ a year?

[lolipedofin]

This is not really a bad suckout... I've experienced this kind of thing often in both table or online... sometimes it goes your way, sometime it doesnt.

the other day I went all in in a cash game with pocket rockets, the other guy open an AKs. And somehow 2 kings just fell on the board...

yesterday, A shortstack went all in, I call with 3-3, he opened 4-4. we both hit a set on the flop. but the turn gave me quads.

Yes, I'm talking to you sheep, wake up from your delusional conspiracy theory.

[da4ite]

@lolipedofin you ar total sheep if you think that online pokers is not riged ITS TOTALY RIGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[L3galHustl3]

@SimpleMindedSheeps Even if you are flat you will make a lot of money with your rakeback but probably dont know nothing about that. Peace bitch.

[L3galHustl3]

@SimpleMindedSheeps Whats wrong with you, I told you than a make money with poker...100k a years minimum each of my last 3 years. I dont give a fuck about poker is just a stupid game of cards but this game put money in my bank account. What the fuck the music than a listen have relation with this...You think than pokerstar is a fraud but the fact is than you are just an horrible poker player..In poker you can even have losing month but if you are good you will be up in your year

[L3galHustl3]

@SimpleMindedSheeps Wow, I dont want communicate with you no more you are so retarded. Bye.

[L3galHustl3]

@SimpleMindedSheeps But tell me WHY im successful on this poker site and not you. I make money each of my last 3 years...the fact is on pokerstar even if you are even in your year you can make good money (50k) if you are supernova elite. Even if pokerstar have more badbeat, the badbeat is all the same for everybody in the long run...And yes I play poker and I trade stock for living, I love my job, go work at McDonald if you wanna help the humanity...I prefer drink pinacolana in cuba. Peace fagot

[carbon1891]

ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED. 

[MrLebowski1980]

People online poker is rigged for bad beats.WAKE UP.

[L3galHustl3]

@SimpleMindedSheeps You are a fucking retard go read some books and educate yourelf little bitch. How do you think your argument of stupid morron kid are valid when you even know than pocket kings vs aces have 19-81% winning odd. I play poker for living, is a zero-sum game, thats mean all my gain are made by dump player like you. You dont know nothing about probability you just a little emotional whore. Please do a favor for the humanity educate yourself and think before speaking.

[ruarihennessy1]

@L3galHustl3 u dont play poker for a living you moron

[L3galHustl3]

@ruarihennessy1 If you want you can consult my stats on pokertableratings com and come talk to me at one of a 2-4 table on pokerstar...want the fuck you talking about eat my nuts

[Husapi]

@SimpleMindedSheeps im sure you have zero idea how to play 1 vs 1.

You know how Nash Equilibrium works? obviously not.

Someone who cant play with a correct bankroll management like you is obviously a bingo player and not a poker player.

[Fr33co]

Actually thats why negreanu doesnt play pokerstars because also he think is rigged

[Husapi]

@SimpleMindedSheeps You're not open minded, you don't know how to doubt, you just repeat what you listen from others irrational players without asking for evidence or something.

Have you read Descartes? Nietzsche? Heidegger? Kant? do you have any idea about philosophy?.

For Nietzsche's philosophy a sheep is someone like you.

[Husapi]

@SimpleMindedSheeps i knew about that scandal, a high-ranking trusted consultant employed had a position who gave him extraordinary access to certain security systems so with hes help other players could see the hole cards. and that doesnt prove your bigstack or newplayers autowin theory.

Btw you sound like a paranoid conspiracionist. is obvious to me that you have zero idea about logic.

Ockam's razor destroys your ideas

"They hide the evidence, but i know is true cuz its true"

Stunning logic

[Husapi]

@Husapi Pokerstars is not rigged, you can find evidence about it in 2+2 or other forums.

Even you can make your own test, just use any tracking software like HM or PT and save your hand histories.

Ppl saying pokerstars is rigged = personal convictions, zero evidence

Ppl saying is not = 100K hand histories as evidence

[Husapi]

@SimpleMindedSheeps Big Stack winning more often? they obviously have advantage with their stack, but if you are saying they win the showdown more often then prove it first.

new players auto-win? again, prove it.

You have no evidence to prove your personal convictions

[L3galHustl3]

@SimpleMindedSheeps First of all, you seem pretty mad so I think you are probably the loser or maybe a faggot. Second, kk vs aa is a 19-81% prob of winning so is the poket kings do be mad, it happen 1/5 of the time. You need to understand than online you play more hands and everytime someone have pocket k and someone a they go both allin. Third, the last 3 years than a play online a make more than 100k each year. So dont be mad, Learn and Grow little dirty hoe

[Husapi]

@SimpleMindedSheeps your amount of evidence is equal to astrology evidence (zero)

If you played 15$ games with a 300$ bankroll then i can assume you have no idea what bankroll management is. And that is like playing chess without knowing what means "castling".

What poker books have you read?

Your logic is incredible irrational btw, i guess you have no idea about philosophy neither

[skaloon]

@SimpleMindedSheeps

i ment BRM

[skaloon]

@SimpleMindedSheeps

better odds doesn't mean you gonna win the hand. it means in a long run you gonna win more in this situation then loose (if you play it right ofc). poker is all about long run. so bankroll management is like 50 proc. of your succesfull poker career if not more. just keep making the right desicions and in a long run you gonna come up ahead. i cosntantly have like 10 horrible bad-beats in a row, but i never loose a lot because of BKM. and luck changes

[skaloon]

@SimpleMindedSheeps

where do you got your statistics from? 70 proc seems like very specific number. I play online for 5 years and it seems completely normal for me. i'm a winning player and i'm doing fine for myself (winning at least 300 dollars a month for two years already). and it's easy to get statistics. download a poker program, track some big hand histories (500k - 1 mil hands would be great) and compare them to statistical probabilities. EASY

[TheRealProfesorKaos]

first time DN has tried to play more than 1 hour online and now he see's what variance really is! "This is unreal" ahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaha­hah

[Conflikt420]

Hey Dan, now you know what everyone else goes through. You're the chump walking around in their gear, endorsing it. Get bent.

[cougarhater1]

PokerStars, PartyPoker...they all the same, I play both and the hand set ups and the ridiculous beats that happen almost every hand are what keeps me from investing any real cash with online poker..stick to the live games for real money because these sites are rigged for action

[b2theec]

@cougarhater1 you sir, are an idiot.

[Furthermore23]

@cougarhater1 +1 Think exactly the same than you. Even if you are a great player is top to win money in riggedstars. Only few guys are benefited, above all the russians, corrupt country...Get out from pokerstars, full tilt and all these rigged online sites!

[Matamostras33]

POKERSTARS HAS A LOT OF CHEATING QUESTIONS TO RESPOND!! LOT OF PEOPLE DONT TRUST THEM CUZ THE BAD BEATS SEEM TO BE JUST FOR SOME PLAYERS!

[Smokey0791]

AQ suited vs. AK ......AK only a 2 to 1 favorite so don't get too excited when you lose kids

[MohrDaniel]

Man, you people that claim it's rigged are just kidding yourselves that you're actually good at poker. Just use a tracker and see how your hands hold up. You'll be very surprised.

Get over it or stop playing. It's always the same thing...my game kicks ass, it's the stupid programming that crushes me.

Lmfao

[MrHagmans]

@SimpleMindedSheeps so fucking true



[L3galHustl3]

Not unreal at all...you need to know your odds faggot

[MaxDamage19844]

Isildur is a bad player

[KingXIV2]

@MaxDamage19844

So you are a bad player if you make 2 million USD in 2 weeks?

- No

[MaxDamage19844]

@KingXIV2 When your playing HUGE stakes its not that hard to win 2 million USD in a few weeks.

Isildur lost well over 4 million USD in a single session to Hastings. So YES, i do think this is a bad player who also has bad bankroll management.

[godly04]

LOL

Its so funny, these pros endorse these sites, but suck when they play on them.

Hmmm, if a pro cant win online, I wonder why.

[jackbauer27Psn]

@godly04 all the top online players are pro's...

[iagoil]

Mr Daniel, welcome to PokerStars...

[icanadian18]

only on jokerstars

[FortyOzSwilla]

Isildur gets it in bad everytime lol

[shiraq07]

cmon Daniel. Say its rigged. They will believe you.

[92Hamdi]

classic

[1313Drewski1313]

SAYS, NOT SAY SAYS. LEARN 2 ENGLISh

[Popser12]

Lets all get a boner because Negreanu talked on jokerstars. WOOOOOOOH!!

[michimichimichimichi]

fucking jokerstars

[SchilelHerov]

THIS IS JOKERSTARS!!!

[Tomluvsmusic1]

He had 30% chance of losing so it wasnt unreal

[JeeRaph]

Negreanu is whining? WHAT!?!

[Iblis00]

@JeeRaph Not that strange...

[JeeRaph]

@Iblis00 /sarcasm

[Iblis00]

@JeeRaph Sorry, I didn't get it.

[JeeRaph]

@Iblis00 np. It's the internet. There's no tone button.

[ENVIUDO34]

now i can see why he is dnt playing in the site

[JeffersonGoldwater]

Curious, how lifelong "grinders" in the live games cannot survive the internet games.

I gave up on online games along time ago. The actual paper cards regulated by a casino are a fair game. Online games are anyone's guess. I don't trust the online games or online casino's. Not to mention the other players using computer programs to make decisons.

Brain v. brain and wits v. wits live is the only real poker for me.

[Damythxful]

@JeffersonGoldwater

OR. He just fucking won his 30% on preflop.

[golfmaniac007]

@zex95966 yes..the rake will skin you both down

[THEROCKETSUMMERL0VER]

luck + skill = 20 mill

[gigjan]

this is patrick

[kinger777444]

a bad beat is when some idiot snap calls his whole stack off with a gutter and hits, this is standard

[R088O]

Dude the way isildur chases low % hands sometimes...and always seems to catch...it's pretty common for his opponent to say "this is unreal" as in...how the fuck does this guy keep sucking out!?

[bcthighs]

its not even a huge bad beat. happens in one in 4 times. obv can be frustrating if u lose most of them in a session

[kinger777444]

@bcthighs you tell them, this means i win aq vs ak next time :)

[VriesHarryde]

Welcome to online poker. Just a lil difference between a programm running itself and an off line dealer actualy dealing random cards. One hand says nothing btw, its just that I see more of these online than hands that go with the odds

[glsmokerUS]

this is online shit :/

[SideofClouds]

This is SPARTA!!!

[francon0815]

@SideofClouds

this is poker stars

[UndercoverLdn]

@francon0815

You're a dumbass

[francon0815]

@UndercoverLdn

yes, but you are a retarded young kid. know nothing about cheating tools. why?! cause you believe the hype. stupid poor victim...

[UndercoverLdn]

@francon0815

How can you call me a retarded young kid, you know NOTHING about me, all I'm saying is: you're a dumbass, and that makes me a retarded young kid? What if I'll tell you I'm busy getting my Masters degree in business, am I still a retarded young kid?

[francon0815]

@UndercoverLdn

being a kid has nothing to do with the age... look i´m talking about poker stars random generator which is generated by a system and so on.. and you talking about me??? this answer doesn´t look very smart or mature to me.. that´s all. nothing personally sorry if you feel attacked that wasn´t my purpose...

[AlexAk96]

@francon0815 This is river stars

[phobiazzzero]

@francon0815 u meant...this is JOKERSTARS

[Husapi]

@phobiazzzero let me guess, you lose money there?

[phobiazzzero]

@Husapi no but 80% of my friends did

[Husapi]

@phobiazzzero that's not much, 95% of my friends lose money there cuz they have no idea what fold equity is, they have no idea when to play a second barrel, they have no idea about hand ranges, they have no idea about M Zone, they have no idea about ICM, they have no idea about implied odds, pot odds, pot equity, etc. however they still believe pokerstars is the problem.

[phobiazzzero]

@Husapi the thing is majority of them knows all those stuff..and guess what..they make decent winnings at casinos...they cant do that on jokerstars.

on jokerstars u make profit only if the site let you do that

[Husapi]

@phobiazzzero i can't see anything wrong in pokerstars, i have like 400k hands saved on hold'em manager, and the numbers are ok.

how can you compare live poker with online poker? in live poker you can find worse players than online, you can't play 500 hands per hour on live poker, you can't track hands with softwares like hold'em manager or poker tracker.

Do you really believe the mayority knows a decent amount of basic and advanced concepts? where did you get those statistics? based on what?

[phobiazzzero]

@Husapi cmon man..do you win in online poker?

[Husapi]

@phobiazzzero Yes.

[phobiazzzero]

@phobiazzzero maybe you can tell us how much/day/month/year

[budweiser4]

@phobiazzzero of course people win in online poker :) there is probably only 1-2% of steady longtime winners but its possibly... There is a lot of work involved though

[phobiazzzero]

@budweiser4 wow..maybe its because online poker its highly related to quantic physics..or mysteries of the black holes...cmon man..dont tell me only 1-2% knows to play online poker..this is utter bullshit

[budweiser4]

@phobiazzzero more people think they can play poker, the truth is that they can possibly beat NL10 online but will lose at NL50. There are not longterm winners anymore. I actually doubt there is more than 2% of players that make solid steady profit over a huge sample. The rake is just too damn high that most of the decent players are just breakeven or maybe slight winners.... I'm winning, I'm not complaining. I play HU SnG's and see my opponents, when I look up there stats, 95% are not winning

[truth3253]

@Husapi you must work for pokerstars. sorry to break it to you its a scam

[truth3253]

@Husapi well today about 15times someone push in preflop when i had aa on pokerstars and i lost everytime. please tell what i did wrong. should i fold my aa preflop. im way ahead in on line poker. but its too rigged no skill at all its all luck when it comes too online poker. thats a fact

[skaloon]

@truth3253

no. all you had is a bad run. i love how poker players forget the times they suck-out on their opponents. you suck-out: "NICE", they suck out on you: "OMG THIS IS RIGGED". online poker is not rigged. if you wanna prove that come out with at least 500k-1mil poker hand history and compare it to mathematical probabilities. everyone are crying about online poker being rigged - how come noone brought out any proof yet? it's so simple to get legitimate proof, when everything is recorded.

[Husapi]

@truth3253 i don't believe you, save your hands with some tracking software.

What's your name on pokerstars? you play real money right?

[truth3253]

@Husapi yes i play real money. why would i lie for. its the truth

[truth3253]

@truth3253 one more thing everytime i pick up ak i run into aa. guess what a k hits the flop everytime

[Husapi]

@truth3253 and again, tell me what's your name on pokerstars.

[truth3253]

@Husapi sorry im not giving details like that out no way lol. each to the own. i have no reason too lie. i think its rigged big time.the suck outs i see online i dont see in live poker it never ends. action hands always on line thats a fact lol more games you play the more they make. if the sharks always won the fish would not come back think about it. look up about ex fulltilt staff member

[Husapi]

@truth3253 you rly believe those arguments proves something?

this is why you are a muslim, you have no idea how a solid argument works.

[truth3253]

@Husapi are you for real whats my faith have to do with online poker being rigged. i know many people who dont play online poker anymore because its rigged and guess what they are not muslim . sorry you have no idea. online poker is a scam. if online poker is real no one would play live poker. if you cant see its rigged you are blind

[PumpingSmashkins]

@truth3253 Exactly how is it rigged? What do the online services gain from alleged rigging? They make their money from the rake. There's zero incentive for them to rig the games. Those who claim it is rigged have no idea about probabilities and variance...or they're just bad poker players.

[MaxDamage19844]

@PumpingSmashkins If theres an X-X-Y flop on pokerstars, someone will always have a pocket pair.

How is this possible if they use a random generator? Still dont think its rigged?

[truth3253]

@MaxDamage19844 rigged big time.. only fools think its real

[Husapi]

@truth3253 "i know many people who dont play online poker anymore because its rigged" because they Believe it, and thats a logic fallacy, argumentum ad populum. i have played around 400K hands this year and i use tracking software to store those hands.

Ppl saying online poker is not rigged = ppl with a database of 100k+ hands (Evidence)

Ppl saying is rigged = Claims without evidence.

". if online poker is real no one would play live poker." this must be your most retarded claim

[truth3253]

@Husapi ok some facts odds of flopping a set is 8/1 online for me its more like 2/1. to flop a full house is over 1000/1 on it happens 200/1. someone did a check on these stats about online poker and it was found the odds to happen online where less them half.there is your proof. this guy who did it stats expect

[Husapi]

@truth3253 "this happens everytime to me" Show your hand histories. "someone did a check of these stats" who is that someone? sources?

[truth3253]

@Husapi dont remember his name goggle it

[truth3253]

@Husapi do hear about the guy who 124 games on fulltilt in a row. thats 124 games in a row no one is that good or that lucky lol. there is a 1000 videos on here that show how rigged it is

[PumpingSmashkins]

@truth3253 The common, and rational, response to that is that you see way more hands online than live, so of course you'll see more anomalies. What gets overlooked is that you'll also experience more clusters of anomalies which will always stick in your mind longer and lead you to believe there's something rotten going on. It's hard to dismiss, but while I'm not a great player, I've maintained a consistent positive ROI for about seven years now at small (not micro) stakes SNGs and cash games.

[OceanSkate401]

@Husapi what is M Zone and ICM?

[Husapi]

@OceanSkate401 even if i answer it you could think im searching it on google or something.

M Zone is stack divided by Blinds plus Ante, is a very good and accurate alternative to BB's Stack Size Count.

ICM is hard to me to explain it in english (clearly not my lenguague) but i have a while using Sit & Go Wizard so i have an idea about it at least