Lets not complicate this. It is a magnificent choral (and organ) work. Think about whatever you want to think about. I acknowledge that the mood of the Kyrie is atypical. Good!
Cette messe est simplement formidable... Est ce-que tu pourrais publier ici, dans YouTube, la messe toute entière, s'il te plaît? Il serait vraiment super! :)
This is fantastic !!! As a member of Peterborough Male Voice Choir, we started to reherse this for a concert that we will be taking part in March 2011. Very inspiring and I can't wait to be part of a performance like this !
This masterpiece of Western art is necessary because giving to God anything less than the best we can achieve as a culture is unworthy of Him and of us. What, you ask, are you supposed to do while this is being sung? Listen actively, contemplate the words, and consider how the composer and performer's interpretation comments on their meaning. The six Greek words of this prayer (or three, if you like) summarize much of the rest of the Mass and are anything but a waste of four minutes.
At the time this was written it was for vast Cathedral like space. The congregation did not participate before Vatican II. I am always amazed at the hum and strum folks who dont take a moment to realize this artist was praising his God in the best way he knew how. Understanding the words? How sad it is the way our congregations are dumbed down and expected to be unable to appreciate anything unless to compares at its best to commercial jingles at mass.
I´ve played this organ part myself and I know that it must be a sort of attack. But I fear sometimes he does a litle bit to much and the big organ is too aggressive. It is a matter of the measure that this Kyrie needs. For instance we decided to prepare our sunday service audience as we knew that they never had heard such a mighty Kyrie. And in the course of preparing the mass we recognized the fact that this music gets always more calm and turns to the inside of the soul. I love this mass!
"I thought catholic music shoulmd be ..participative..."
Wherever did you get that idea; this was written before Vatican II. Anyway, this was a concert performance, not a church service. Most of your other comments are similarly off the mark.
Participation in liturgy and worship does not have to mean singing, speaking and clapping! Silent prayer and personal devotions, contemplation of the sacred mysteries being celebrated is, for some, a stronger and deeper participation in the liturgy of the church.
Let me try and clarify: prayer is not passive but active. Yet this does not mean it must be audiable or vocalised. The Christian Church, both Orthodox and Western Roman have understood this for 2000 years. During the Kyrie one should think of our personal sinfulness and the redepmtive power of Christ, soon to be encountered in the sacred mystery of the holy Eucharist. This brings calvary into the present and represents it. A said confession, although good, is somewhat shallow by comparison.
@1401JSC I never "just wait for the Kyrie to end" it always ends to soon for my taste because I have alot of sins to be contemplating over, as do all men. if you can contemplate the entire mystery of what Christ did for us by dying on the cross in only six minutes every Sunday for the rest of your life, I can assure you that you haven't even scratched the surface of what Christ did for us.
i love this kyrie - it is full of spirit and power and you feel the smal steps between grandious and creativ madness (sorry but german since is hard to translate)
Lets not complicate this. It is a magnificent choral (and organ) work. Think about whatever you want to think about. I acknowledge that the mood of the Kyrie is atypical. Good!
georgebur 9 months ago
Cette messe est simplement formidable... Est ce-que tu pourrais publier ici, dans YouTube, la messe toute entière, s'il te plaît? Il serait vraiment super! :)
Evangelion0189 1 year ago
hello,where do I find the scores for this song,is magnifique :X
0742242814 1 year ago
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jamesmacarulz 1 year ago
This is fantastic !!! As a member of Peterborough Male Voice Choir, we started to reherse this for a concert that we will be taking part in March 2011. Very inspiring and I can't wait to be part of a performance like this !
EmilovesMuse 1 year ago
This masterpiece of Western art is necessary because giving to God anything less than the best we can achieve as a culture is unworthy of Him and of us. What, you ask, are you supposed to do while this is being sung? Listen actively, contemplate the words, and consider how the composer and performer's interpretation comments on their meaning. The six Greek words of this prayer (or three, if you like) summarize much of the rest of the Mass and are anything but a waste of four minutes.
TheChantProject 1 year ago
Magnifico!
mosteirodenazare 1 year ago
This is great!!! Thanks!!!!!
Organistcomposer21 2 years ago
At the time this was written it was for vast Cathedral like space. The congregation did not participate before Vatican II. I am always amazed at the hum and strum folks who dont take a moment to realize this artist was praising his God in the best way he knew how. Understanding the words? How sad it is the way our congregations are dumbed down and expected to be unable to appreciate anything unless to compares at its best to commercial jingles at mass.
ItalianOrganist 2 years ago
I love how he uses the huge organ as an attack organ! Lovely performance
Mozartstavanger 2 years ago
I´ve played this organ part myself and I know that it must be a sort of attack. But I fear sometimes he does a litle bit to much and the big organ is too aggressive. It is a matter of the measure that this Kyrie needs. For instance we decided to prepare our sunday service audience as we knew that they never had heard such a mighty Kyrie. And in the course of preparing the mass we recognized the fact that this music gets always more calm and turns to the inside of the soul. I love this mass!
schneckenturm 2 years ago
Everything that Catholic music should be...
marsvltor2 2 years ago 2
- Assisting at a concert
- 4 to six minutes to acompany which liturgical gesture?
- A minor mode (cf Vierne), but is it penitential?
(What does the assembly think/feel/understan/believe trapped between incomprehensible words and a fiery Grand Orgue?
I thought catholic music shoulmd be ..participative...
If I didn't know what the words are supposed to be, I might have thought I was hearing a new xhorus from Gounod's "Faust".
Lord, have mercy upoçn us.
(A quite good interpretation, though).
1401JSC 2 years ago
If they don't understand the language, there's always the Baptists lol. As for the music, there's always the happy clappy brigade lol...
marsvltor2 2 years ago
"I thought catholic music shoulmd be ..participative..."
Wherever did you get that idea; this was written before Vatican II. Anyway, this was a concert performance, not a church service. Most of your other comments are similarly off the mark.
Rankett16 2 years ago
Participation in liturgy and worship does not have to mean singing, speaking and clapping! Silent prayer and personal devotions, contemplation of the sacred mysteries being celebrated is, for some, a stronger and deeper participation in the liturgy of the church.
pipeup1 2 years ago 3
Silent prayer and personal devotion I can do at home.
What is the sacred mystery to be contemplated during the Kyrie, while priests are just waiting around for it to end?
Pardon? Does this need 6 minutes of contemplation to the accompaniment of romantic music?
better to say (and mean) a confession TOGETHER than to be a passive audience.
"For some" is certainly true.
Passive believers and dynamic church rarely go together.
1401JSC 2 years ago
Let me try and clarify: prayer is not passive but active. Yet this does not mean it must be audiable or vocalised. The Christian Church, both Orthodox and Western Roman have understood this for 2000 years. During the Kyrie one should think of our personal sinfulness and the redepmtive power of Christ, soon to be encountered in the sacred mystery of the holy Eucharist. This brings calvary into the present and represents it. A said confession, although good, is somewhat shallow by comparison.
pipeup1 2 years ago 3
@1401JSC I never "just wait for the Kyrie to end" it always ends to soon for my taste because I have alot of sins to be contemplating over, as do all men. if you can contemplate the entire mystery of what Christ did for us by dying on the cross in only six minutes every Sunday for the rest of your life, I can assure you that you haven't even scratched the surface of what Christ did for us.
okamilune 1 year ago
Merci à M. Widor pour cette musique et ce qu'il a fait avec Vierne et Dupré
27bibi27 3 years ago 2
i love this kyrie - it is full of spirit and power and you feel the smal steps between grandious and creativ madness (sorry but german since is hard to translate)
praisethelord333 3 years ago 10
MAGNIFIQUE !!!!!!!!
amenophis972 3 years ago 6