Noah’s Ark, a 135 metre floating zoo of billions of species of squashed up, thirsty, confused, hungry, howling, sweltering, crawling, slithering, fluttering, sputtering, frightened, angry, shrieking, screeching, steaming, sweating, farting, copulating, defecating, brawling, hissing, pissing, spitting, biting, kicking, unwilling creatures, rolling around in their own feathers, fur, filth, slime, blood and sea water while the 10,000 known species of termites were busily chewing their way out.
They were wrong. The bible doesn't say the earth is 6,000 years old. It only says biological life is. The earth had already existed before the 6 day creation. I personally believe the earth and matter are both more than double our current estimate, possibly even much beyond that. Many theologians of the late 1800s referred to it as eternity past. This isn't anything new, It was once a common view but has since been forgotten.
The usage and the understanding of those, which I think you are actually trying to refer to, come about through Evolution, as thinking logically and rationally is a great advantage to thinking illogically and unreasonably.
And Morals are easily explained by evolutionary mechanism.
Evolution is not just about individuals, but about species. Social species benifit greatly from morals such as killing being a bad thing, as that reduce fighting within the group
Okay, well, it'll be less confusing if you use the "reply" button. Otherwise it looks like you're commenting on the content of the video rather than someone else's comment.
Captaincel, there's logic in saying that killing is "wrong." It doesnt need religion to say it's wrong. We as a people simply don't want to be killed. So us as a civilization say killing is wrong simply because we don't want to live in an environment where we are killing each other on a whim. And isnt that part of preserving the species, not killing each other?
So why would we need religion at all to tell us that we shouldnt kill each other? We dont!
Let's see, have you ever been in pain? Humans exhibit these traits called empathy and sympathy, where when we see others suffering, we feel for them. We remember how we felt one time when we were in pain, and don't wish that on other people.
If that's not good enough, the reason you don't shoot someone and take his money is become you will be arrested and put in jail for a very long time. Also, if you shoot somebody, you better be watching out for their loved ones... they're comin for ya...
Are you saying the only reason you don't go around shooting people is because of your religious beliefs? If so, you need to go see a psychiatrist RIGHT NOW, because you are potentially a VERY dangerous individual.
The rest of us have our morality as an emergent property of our evolution, and don't need scary stories to keep us from harming others.
Give science some credit, donotfeedthetroll, Because of science, there are machineries that can mass produce books like the "bible" and others types science exist that give us electricity, technology, in various forms including this computers and cyber space.
cont: not all science is evil, so please be grateful that because of science, hospitals can analyze the body better and diagnose any physical problem and attempt to find the cure.
Yes, that works a lot better than the couple that prayed for their daughter's diabetes to be cured instead of getting her medical treatment, resulting in her senseless and unnecessary death.
The same science that created the computer and generated the electricity and built the internet for you to type the anti-science garbage that you are writing? Or did you somehow conjure up your post here?
You can always tell when a video is religious because the comments are turned off, or 'pending approval.' All dogmatism relies on censorship from religion to Nazism.
That just prooves their inmatureness, zeldarooles. If they can't take the heat, they should stay out of the kitchen, my friends. Just ignore them, not worth wasting time arguing with.
LOL! Has thats type of flaming: flagging, poor commenting and putting comments as spam started here also? LMAO! I'm not surprise this would happen. "Homosexuals", "Lesabians", "bisexuals", Pagans, Wiccans and other Atheist who put up a vid or comments on you tube, blogs or sites have also felt the wrath of the bias, hateful, self-righteous, religeous ethnocentric groups.
But fear not, we are still here weather they like it or not. Those sort of flamming will not intimated us nor should they intimated us, as a matter of fact they just add more coal to the flame, more reasons to continue moving forward!! ONWARD MY COMRADES!!! ONWARD!!!
To any creationist reading this; You realize if this was 400 years ago you'd be arguing that the earth couldn't possibly orbit the sun?......I guess not.
Some of them still do. There was a Texas politician awhile back who tried to get geocentricism taught in the schools because it's the Biblically-correct model.
In a way, it wouldn't be bad if students view both geocentricism and heliocentricism as part science and part history. Yet changing heliocentricism to geocentricism may sound a bit whack.
Multiple accounts, that is the way one can do all the work himself or herself, others who follow this pattern can do the same and make it seem like a whole community have done the action when only a person is capable of doing it with multiple accounts.
Since there is no limit as to how many emails accounts one can have, many can create up to 20 accounts at least. They can be either created or stolen, stolen would be the easiest if that person has a phisher program that would sniff for passwords or use other hacking applications which brand them crackers not hackers.
And after catching one or several accounts they just change the name, special phrase, email address, password etc, so that the true owner can't retreive it. This from young teens to young adults, the adults without coputer knowledges on the other hand may just use one account or create another if they catch on or persuade friends or members to do the same.
So far this is the only two ways when it comes to accounts. The other can be through persuation and pressuring members to follow their lead. So if there are people who didn't know this little knowledge I just serve it on a silver platter. On the other hand, if this turns out factful by considerable research, then those guys are just predictable.
Sockpuppets, yeah. I caught a guy doing that in the comments for Episode 3, so I blocked all of the extra users. He's going around saying I banned him because I couldn't refute his arguments; in truth, I only banned his sockpuppets, and he can come in with his original account and make all the comments he wants to--but he doesn't.
That's one more thing that creationists and hoaxtards have in common--denying comments on their videos and complaining about others not wanting open discussion.
I'm not surprise to see them play the victims, probably they do it to get mass sympathy from their groups as well as anger to the point of going to that channel and start a riot or doing the same process.
The problem of sockpuppets seems to be endemic to youtube. It's not just the creationists. There are other determined individuals who try to block the free expression of honest opinion. Very frustrating. And I don't think that thumbs-up/thumbs-down thing helped. I don't like that youtube hides any comment with more than six negative flags.
If creationists want to believe what they do, let them. We would all just be better off living as our evolutionary, scientific, rational thinking selves.
unfortunatly, as rational thinking people realising we can have sex without getting married and use condoms. We will tend to have less offspring. Meaning they will continue to outnumber us if we sit by and idly let them dwell in their ignorance. And they FORCE their beleifs on us, conversly, we should force the truth on them.
Creationists are always like that. They have no real logical arguments so they have to use dishonest and childish tactics in order to disrupt the debates they know perfectly well they can't win. These people are the ultimate in self-righteous, intellectually dishonest, quote-mining, word-twisting, LIARS.
I am a creationist, and had a running argument on that video against shanedk's reasoning. I also found out information from "the madhair" that has most probably shown that the speed of light really is constant, but for different reasons, so my arguments are now moot. I agree with shanedk, that this was a cowardly and immoral thing to do. Obviously this does nothing to help us creationists in any way. The only thing this has done is to heighten anti-creationist sentiment.
I am very glad to be a Christian. I can enjoy life to the fullest without having to live life to the fullest, if you catch my drift. I realise that if something isn't true, it isn't true. So I follow the relationship of the basis of Christianity, the Bible, to science research. I realize that creationism has stronger and weaker areas of evidence. I also note that what seems certain knowledge in science, can quickly change. I like to read and comment on these forums. What are your beliefs?
I beleive that we evolved from simple life forms and we are more then what we used to be. Also that we should love and respect each other, and not place our hope in an invisbale sky daddy to sort out our problems.
So what your saying is, insted of looking after myself and sorting out my problems I should pray to a god/gods to help me?? even though they/it cant be proven ???Id rather rely on humanity and myself then to a sky daddy from a so called holy text or book.
IF I relied on him nothing would happpen, I hope one day commone sense prevails and you will understand how stupid you sound." now matter what happens pray to him" is pretty much what you are saying you are a moron!!!!!!!!
Well, unless you count plants existing before the sun, the presence of a firmament, the sun, moon, and stars all being the same distance away, the Earth being a flat circle, the Earth being older than the sun and the stars...
Wow. It all makes sense now. As I was standing on my big flat circle in space, TUNING, I was reading in the "New Naturalist Translation" of Genesis and it says everything is 1.3 light seconds away, so no more light travel problem. I believe! Of course, when you go out into space, all them stars and stuff get scared and zoom away (but they always come back later).
Um according to creationist, shanedk, they believe earth is a square since it mentions in the bible about the four corners of the world and all that. Not sure if that was symbolic or not. Yet they can intepret it as they wish.
There is the four corners line, but there is another line about God sitting on the "circle" of the Earth. Creationists INSIST that that's the only word Hebrews had to describe a sphere, therefore they knew the Earth was round, but they're just wrong. There were lots of Hebrew words for ball or spheroid-shaped object that could have been used.
And lets not forget that there weren't many scholars at the time either but I see what you mean. And perhaps those that could read try to describe the world in the simples ways. My history is bad, that I admit, so I'm not too certain if people went to school back then, or were thought to read and write. I haven't had time to expand my mind to other cultures just yet. Yet I thank you for the insight.
To tell the truth, it won't give the bible much credibility if it indeed mentioned the earth was a sphere. It had been calculated by greeks just how spherical the earth was and they had logical deduced why it should have been a ball.
The fact that bible apprently missed this crucial part of information, which was avialable before it was compiled, makes it even harder to take seroius.
My nine short words of praise got marked as spam? lol
Well, the video itself in all its clarity and compelling logic remains for all to see no matter what they do ;)
That must really burn them. That and the fact that ID is legally dead and they have to come up with a shiny new toilet for their BS (maybe this new "teach the controversy" code-speak will be it).
I agree creationists need to be debated because, unlike moon-hoaxers (who are merely ignorant buffoons/mental patients) creationists can be downright dangerous. The proof of this is seen every time a school board gets taken over by true-believers and starts nonsense like putting warning labels on science books (now that's dangerous!)
I agree with you on this, jergsden, yet, with all the changes they want to do to the states will leave the states vulnerable and we should just step back watch them get a beating. And look out for own groups who may be outcast by this baffoons.
It's funny because I just watched a video yesterday from VenomFangX accusing the AmazingAtheist of not wanting to have a rational debate. Because he wouldn't promise to abstain from profanity. We're talking about VENOMFANG here. The guy that keeps challenging atheists and anti-creationists to debates and then cowardly backing down when one accepts.
Same thing happened to me in several debates on Abortion. Doesn't surprise me that they are trying to toss out any statements that contridict their beliefs.
I've actually had a couple of pretty good debates on abortion here recently. Hopefully, people on both sides are starting to become less dogmatic and more rational about the issue.
Personally, I've only had one ^^; It's sad really...morals inspire laws, but it is logic that creates and molds them into what they are. Morals are different for everyone...but logic applies to all.
Great video Shane. Morals isn't really a top priority for Creationists. The only important thing is getting into Heaven, which means that all they have to do is believe in Jesus. All that honesty, peace, and being a good person stuff is irrelevant. They'd much rather spam comments which have nothing to do with their own lives.
Supposedly, but for the life of me I couldn't find it through the links. I found the form with a Google search, but every time I submit it it just comes back with "Bad Request." :^(
The ability to mark comments as spam is worse than useless. At the very least, channel owners should be able to unmark comments marked as spam or disable the ability for user to mark comments as spam on their channels. Good vid, Shane, but I don't get where you're coming from with people who oppose the comments marking them with thumbs down; that's what the feature is there to allow.
The first time I seen an abuse of this feature was on cdk's channel. If a comment gets 6 votes it's hidden and it doesn't come back. Fair enough until such a thing happens in the space of a few minutes when it is obvious that sockpuppetry is at work.
Or you can simply wipe cookies and repeatably vote - same difference.
"You can, but it is the principle of what they are doing that pisses us off."
I understand the sentiment, but that's a feature of YT, and it's not confined to the creationists. Likewise, it's rare enough that when you see it, it's not too much trouble to go back and change the setting. You do realize that you're arguing with CREATIONISTS, right? You're not going to accomplish much.
Don't let them pull you down, themadhair, or anyone else for that! Best not to take it so negatively, they are just out of ammo and running scares in the battling fields of debate. They have nowhere to run so they try sabotaging method of mass flamming, spamming, down ranking comments to the point of spam and flagging to try to Shut us down. So far they are not smart enough and we already know what they tend to do when cornered.
For each comment being down ranked, flagged or put as spam by a debating creationist, its a victory, not a sweet one at best but a sure one. SO LET THEM GIVE IT THEIR ALL, WE WILL STILL BE HERE NO MATTER WHAT AND TAKE IT LIKE A MAN!
This same tactic was used on VFX also and I opposed it then too. The tactic, in and on itself, is simply wrong whether you are a creationist or evolutionist.
Touche, themadhair, Best advice would be to not stoop low to that level. Saying this would easier than done, but temptation would be something to master and overcome if it keeps giving that person the itch.
"At the very least, channel owners should be able to unmark comments marked as spam"
Well, once you click the "Show" link to show the messages, there is a "Not Spam" link, but apparently more than one person has to click it. I tried doing that with several of the comments, and when I reloaded the page they were still marked as spam.
They can say all they want, but they can't hide what they've done. Their actions speak louder than words. Those who claim to have morals have proven to us they have none. They do their cause a great service, for anyone on the fence will see which side of the debate plays fair and is interested in learning the truth in an unbiased manner. Great video. Creationists have once again hung themselves.
something about biblical morals involves the ends justifing the means and exterminating people with a different belief system than yours, so erasing the spam is right along those lines.
Actually that's not the only thing Jesus said against creationists. Also, it's funny how creationist fundamentalism can actually be debunked by literal intepretation of the bible.
Actually, what you said in the creationisms edition of bogosity, about Hovind picking and choosin texts from the bible, pretty much sums up whole creationism (or any other "literal intepretation" based fundamentalism)
None of them were creationists. Save your paranoid delusions for the moon hoax videos where you can keep asserting that NASA attached wires to every little grain of dust...
They always talk about atheist being dishonest/ immoral, but it is always their videos that ban ratings or comments. I saw some diliberate misquotes of dawkins, darwin, einstein, and hawking on a creationist video, but theres no way to inform the viewer of the complete quote because they ban all discretion. Creationists are liars.
Noah’s Ark, a 135 metre floating zoo of billions of species of squashed up, thirsty, confused, hungry, howling, sweltering, crawling, slithering, fluttering, sputtering, frightened, angry, shrieking, screeching, steaming, sweating, farting, copulating, defecating, brawling, hissing, pissing, spitting, biting, kicking, unwilling creatures, rolling around in their own feathers, fur, filth, slime, blood and sea water while the 10,000 known species of termites were busily chewing their way out.
brokenscimitar 1 year ago
We are stable excitations of particles in this particle universe.
ttopperr 1 year ago
They were wrong. The bible doesn't say the earth is 6,000 years old. It only says biological life is. The earth had already existed before the 6 day creation. I personally believe the earth and matter are both more than double our current estimate, possibly even much beyond that. Many theologians of the late 1800s referred to it as eternity past. This isn't anything new, It was once a common view but has since been forgotten.
knowwaie 1 year ago
Shane, at 3:25, you mistook christians for creationists. They are not the same thing. A used car salesman in sheep's clothing is not a sheep.
jimbrown257 2 years ago
Logic and reason are concepts.
The usage and the understanding of those, which I think you are actually trying to refer to, come about through Evolution, as thinking logically and rationally is a great advantage to thinking illogically and unreasonably.
And Morals are easily explained by evolutionary mechanism.
Evolution is not just about individuals, but about species. Social species benifit greatly from morals such as killing being a bad thing, as that reduce fighting within the group
mhrby1985 2 years ago
Oh, sorry, I guess I messed.
What I did led to misinterpretation.
Never mind, it also happens me to make misinterpretations.
hunchbacked 3 years ago
That's why I was not speaking of you.
hunchbacked 3 years ago
Okay, well, it'll be less confusing if you use the "reply" button. Otherwise it looks like you're commenting on the content of the video rather than someone else's comment.
shanedk 3 years ago 2
When you say "creationist", you don't have to add "dishonest".
Starting from the conclusion to build a reasoning is already dishonest in itself.
hunchbacked 3 years ago
I didn't do that. I SHOWED that they were dishonest. CONCLUSIVELY.
shanedk 3 years ago
@shanedk I commend you for pWning those naughty Creationists!
UnmaskedTuxedo 1 year ago
I also wanted to say, Shane, great choice of an Oingo Boingo song for the video.
Gnomesmusher 3 years ago
Thanks. Oingo Boingo will be briefly featured in the next episode of Bogosity.
shanedk 3 years ago
Captaincel, there's logic in saying that killing is "wrong." It doesnt need religion to say it's wrong. We as a people simply don't want to be killed. So us as a civilization say killing is wrong simply because we don't want to live in an environment where we are killing each other on a whim. And isnt that part of preserving the species, not killing each other?
So why would we need religion at all to tell us that we shouldnt kill each other? We dont!
Gnomesmusher 3 years ago 7
Let's see, have you ever been in pain? Humans exhibit these traits called empathy and sympathy, where when we see others suffering, we feel for them. We remember how we felt one time when we were in pain, and don't wish that on other people.
If that's not good enough, the reason you don't shoot someone and take his money is become you will be arrested and put in jail for a very long time. Also, if you shoot somebody, you better be watching out for their loved ones... they're comin for ya...
J0hnnyH3mps33d 3 years ago
that should have said "because", not "become"... my god I'm retarded...
J0hnnyH3mps33d 3 years ago
The Universe is BUILT on logic and reason! It's where mathematics comes from! You might as well ask where gravity comes from, or where pi comes from!
shanedk 3 years ago
You don't HAVE to trust it. Logic and reason is independent of the brain itself.
shanedk 3 years ago
By using your brain. And you'll easily be able to do it unless you're a dangerous psychopath.
shanedk 3 years ago
I absolutely did! Reread it.
shanedk 3 years ago
So, you said:
"My God your retarded,"
And then:
"If all you can do is make fun of me then I win the debate."
So, by your argument, I win the debate, since I gave you a sound rebuttal, and YOU are the one who made fun of ME.
shanedk 3 years ago
Are you saying the only reason you don't go around shooting people is because of your religious beliefs? If so, you need to go see a psychiatrist RIGHT NOW, because you are potentially a VERY dangerous individual.
The rest of us have our morality as an emergent property of our evolution, and don't need scary stories to keep us from harming others.
shanedk 3 years ago
Dupes eh?
What a pain they are but it shows how desperate the fags are....
Herufaia 3 years ago
Give science some credit, donotfeedthetroll, Because of science, there are machineries that can mass produce books like the "bible" and others types science exist that give us electricity, technology, in various forms including this computers and cyber space.
Exsecrabilis 3 years ago 3
cont: not all science is evil, so please be grateful that because of science, hospitals can analyze the body better and diagnose any physical problem and attempt to find the cure.
Exsecrabilis 3 years ago
Yes, that works a lot better than the couple that prayed for their daughter's diabetes to be cured instead of getting her medical treatment, resulting in her senseless and unnecessary death.
shanedk 3 years ago
I am reminded of a quote from a very informed person that said "The mind is like a parashute it works much better when OPENED"
Well done on the vid. I have seen crap like you showed here.
bigjon1359 4 years ago
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look at all the fools brainwashed by science, the devil's work. Just believe in God, just do it because I told you to. Just do it.
donotfeedthetroll 4 years ago
"Just believe in God, just do it because I told you to. Just do it. "
Who the fuck are you to tell me what to do?
jimitl5 3 years ago
The same science that created the computer and generated the electricity and built the internet for you to type the anti-science garbage that you are writing? Or did you somehow conjure up your post here?
Gnomesmusher 3 years ago 2
The dishonest gits, they should all be pushed into a volcano with forks
conormarch 4 years ago 3
You can always tell when a video is religious because the comments are turned off, or 'pending approval.' All dogmatism relies on censorship from religion to Nazism.
pos777 4 years ago
Funny thing about this being mention, pos777, for the reason that I found something real interesting during my research on relgions:
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
Scratch that last comment, pos777.
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
That just prooves their inmatureness, zeldarooles. If they can't take the heat, they should stay out of the kitchen, my friends. Just ignore them, not worth wasting time arguing with.
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
LOL! Has thats type of flaming: flagging, poor commenting and putting comments as spam started here also? LMAO! I'm not surprise this would happen. "Homosexuals", "Lesabians", "bisexuals", Pagans, Wiccans and other Atheist who put up a vid or comments on you tube, blogs or sites have also felt the wrath of the bias, hateful, self-righteous, religeous ethnocentric groups.
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
But fear not, we are still here weather they like it or not. Those sort of flamming will not intimated us nor should they intimated us, as a matter of fact they just add more coal to the flame, more reasons to continue moving forward!! ONWARD MY COMRADES!!! ONWARD!!!
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
To any creationist reading this; You realize if this was 400 years ago you'd be arguing that the earth couldn't possibly orbit the sun?......I guess not.
soulinite 4 years ago 2
Some of them still do. There was a Texas politician awhile back who tried to get geocentricism taught in the schools because it's the Biblically-correct model.
shanedk 4 years ago
You're hopefully bullshittin me (though I think you are not).
Portiadude 4 years ago
Check the Bad Astronomy blog; I think Phil Plait blogged about it.
shanedk 4 years ago
it's true, one of the extantdodo guys talked about it.
soulinite 4 years ago
Geocentrism you say, shanedk? LOL so what happens to heliocentricism then?
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
In a way, it wouldn't be bad if students view both geocentricism and heliocentricism as part science and part history. Yet changing heliocentricism to geocentricism may sound a bit whack.
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
great video man!
soulinite 4 years ago
One guy cannot mark a message spam and have it disappear. I don't know how many it takes, though.
The markers cannot be tracked.
shanedk 4 years ago
Multiple accounts, that is the way one can do all the work himself or herself, others who follow this pattern can do the same and make it seem like a whole community have done the action when only a person is capable of doing it with multiple accounts.
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
Since there is no limit as to how many emails accounts one can have, many can create up to 20 accounts at least. They can be either created or stolen, stolen would be the easiest if that person has a phisher program that would sniff for passwords or use other hacking applications which brand them crackers not hackers.
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
And after catching one or several accounts they just change the name, special phrase, email address, password etc, so that the true owner can't retreive it. This from young teens to young adults, the adults without coputer knowledges on the other hand may just use one account or create another if they catch on or persuade friends or members to do the same.
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
So far this is the only two ways when it comes to accounts. The other can be through persuation and pressuring members to follow their lead. So if there are people who didn't know this little knowledge I just serve it on a silver platter. On the other hand, if this turns out factful by considerable research, then those guys are just predictable.
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
Sockpuppets, yeah. I caught a guy doing that in the comments for Episode 3, so I blocked all of the extra users. He's going around saying I banned him because I couldn't refute his arguments; in truth, I only banned his sockpuppets, and he can come in with his original account and make all the comments he wants to--but he doesn't.
That's one more thing that creationists and hoaxtards have in common--denying comments on their videos and complaining about others not wanting open discussion.
shanedk 4 years ago
I'm not surprise to see them play the victims, probably they do it to get mass sympathy from their groups as well as anger to the point of going to that channel and start a riot or doing the same process.
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
I forgot to add also to make the host look bad in many terms. Viewers may already get the point by now.
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
The problem of sockpuppets seems to be endemic to youtube. It's not just the creationists. There are other determined individuals who try to block the free expression of honest opinion. Very frustrating. And I don't think that thumbs-up/thumbs-down thing helped. I don't like that youtube hides any comment with more than six negative flags.
jx14aby 4 years ago
If creationists want to believe what they do, let them. We would all just be better off living as our evolutionary, scientific, rational thinking selves.
thehoaxbuster 4 years ago
unfortunatly, as rational thinking people realising we can have sex without getting married and use condoms. We will tend to have less offspring. Meaning they will continue to outnumber us if we sit by and idly let them dwell in their ignorance. And they FORCE their beleifs on us, conversly, we should force the truth on them.
crimsonfist3 4 years ago
Creationists are always like that. They have no real logical arguments so they have to use dishonest and childish tactics in order to disrupt the debates they know perfectly well they can't win. These people are the ultimate in self-righteous, intellectually dishonest, quote-mining, word-twisting, LIARS.
AtheistCanuck 4 years ago 2
I am a creationist, and had a running argument on that video against shanedk's reasoning. I also found out information from "the madhair" that has most probably shown that the speed of light really is constant, but for different reasons, so my arguments are now moot. I agree with shanedk, that this was a cowardly and immoral thing to do. Obviously this does nothing to help us creationists in any way. The only thing this has done is to heighten anti-creationist sentiment.
tubewatch59 4 years ago 2
Genuine question, why are you a creationist????
reckingmachine 4 years ago
I am very glad to be a Christian. I can enjoy life to the fullest without having to live life to the fullest, if you catch my drift. I realise that if something isn't true, it isn't true. So I follow the relationship of the basis of Christianity, the Bible, to science research. I realize that creationism has stronger and weaker areas of evidence. I also note that what seems certain knowledge in science, can quickly change. I like to read and comment on these forums. What are your beliefs?
tubewatch59 4 years ago
I beleive that we evolved from simple life forms and we are more then what we used to be. Also that we should love and respect each other, and not place our hope in an invisbale sky daddy to sort out our problems.
reckingmachine 4 years ago 2
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If you ever have serious enough problems, do depend on Him. He is very patient, and if you come to Him He will not reject you.
tubewatch59 4 years ago
So what your saying is, insted of looking after myself and sorting out my problems I should pray to a god/gods to help me?? even though they/it cant be proven ???Id rather rely on humanity and myself then to a sky daddy from a so called holy text or book.
reckingmachine 4 years ago 3
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That's right, pray. Rely on God. It's your choice though.
tubewatch59 4 years ago
IF I relied on him nothing would happpen, I hope one day commone sense prevails and you will understand how stupid you sound." now matter what happens pray to him" is pretty much what you are saying you are a moron!!!!!!!!
reckingmachine 4 years ago 2
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That's OK. I'm not a moron but my I.Q. is like a diesel. Lots of talk, not much pwned'r. Just remember what I said.
tubewatch59 4 years ago
Factorying in the translation of the worde "Yum" and relivety there isen't that much of a conflect with the bible and science
Ham549 4 years ago
Well, unless you count plants existing before the sun, the presence of a firmament, the sun, moon, and stars all being the same distance away, the Earth being a flat circle, the Earth being older than the sun and the stars...
shanedk 4 years ago
Wow. It all makes sense now. As I was standing on my big flat circle in space, TUNING, I was reading in the "New Naturalist Translation" of Genesis and it says everything is 1.3 light seconds away, so no more light travel problem. I believe! Of course, when you go out into space, all them stars and stuff get scared and zoom away (but they always come back later).
tubewatch59 4 years ago
Just trying to say people make a bigger deal out of this stuff than they should trying to disprove fact rather than adapting
Ham549 4 years ago
Um according to creationist, shanedk, they believe earth is a square since it mentions in the bible about the four corners of the world and all that. Not sure if that was symbolic or not. Yet they can intepret it as they wish.
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
There is the four corners line, but there is another line about God sitting on the "circle" of the Earth. Creationists INSIST that that's the only word Hebrews had to describe a sphere, therefore they knew the Earth was round, but they're just wrong. There were lots of Hebrew words for ball or spheroid-shaped object that could have been used.
The fact is, they're missing a whole dimension.
shanedk 4 years ago
And lets not forget that there weren't many scholars at the time either but I see what you mean. And perhaps those that could read try to describe the world in the simples ways. My history is bad, that I admit, so I'm not too certain if people went to school back then, or were thought to read and write. I haven't had time to expand my mind to other cultures just yet. Yet I thank you for the insight.
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
To tell the truth, it won't give the bible much credibility if it indeed mentioned the earth was a sphere. It had been calculated by greeks just how spherical the earth was and they had logical deduced why it should have been a ball.
The fact that bible apprently missed this crucial part of information, which was avialable before it was compiled, makes it even harder to take seroius.
Portiadude 4 years ago
Thanks, Portiadude, for the update..
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
Which god? I wouldn't want to pick the wrong one.
Textra1 3 years ago 4
My nine short words of praise got marked as spam? lol
Well, the video itself in all its clarity and compelling logic remains for all to see no matter what they do ;)
That must really burn them. That and the fact that ID is legally dead and they have to come up with a shiny new toilet for their BS (maybe this new "teach the controversy" code-speak will be it).
kjlg74 4 years ago
I agree creationists need to be debated because, unlike moon-hoaxers (who are merely ignorant buffoons/mental patients) creationists can be downright dangerous. The proof of this is seen every time a school board gets taken over by true-believers and starts nonsense like putting warning labels on science books (now that's dangerous!)
jergsden 4 years ago
I agree with you on this, jergsden, yet, with all the changes they want to do to the states will leave the states vulnerable and we should just step back watch them get a beating. And look out for own groups who may be outcast by this baffoons.
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
It's funny because I just watched a video yesterday from VenomFangX accusing the AmazingAtheist of not wanting to have a rational debate. Because he wouldn't promise to abstain from profanity. We're talking about VENOMFANG here. The guy that keeps challenging atheists and anti-creationists to debates and then cowardly backing down when one accepts.
civisromae 4 years ago
Same thing happened to me in several debates on Abortion. Doesn't surprise me that they are trying to toss out any statements that contridict their beliefs.
ZeroMotivation 4 years ago
I've actually had a couple of pretty good debates on abortion here recently. Hopefully, people on both sides are starting to become less dogmatic and more rational about the issue.
shanedk 4 years ago
Personally, I've only had one ^^; It's sad really...morals inspire laws, but it is logic that creates and molds them into what they are. Morals are different for everyone...but logic applies to all.
ZeroMotivation 4 years ago
My feelings precisely.
shanedk 4 years ago
It's stuff like this that drives me though to make the world better. (Or at least smarter XD)
BTW: Have you seen the movie 'Jesus Camp'...because hoo boy, if the real JC saw it, he'd be praying for humanity in his unmarked grave.
ZeroMotivation 4 years ago
Great video Shane. Morals isn't really a top priority for Creationists. The only important thing is getting into Heaven, which means that all they have to do is believe in Jesus. All that honesty, peace, and being a good person stuff is irrelevant. They'd much rather spam comments which have nothing to do with their own lives.
Philosophobia 4 years ago 2
Oh schnap. Those creationists just got mwned (majorly-owned).
But sussing out lying creationists is most of the fun in debunking them! Why try to humorously discredit an honest mistake?
NaoTio 4 years ago 2
Thats terrible, is there a way to contact the people that run youtube and get them to change that feature so it can't be abused in that way anymore?
wakeangel2001 4 years ago
Supposedly, but for the life of me I couldn't find it through the links. I found the form with a Google search, but every time I submit it it just comes back with "Bad Request." :^(
shanedk 4 years ago
i could see that ending coming from a mile away! :))
good job shane.
lennyhipp 4 years ago
The ability to mark comments as spam is worse than useless. At the very least, channel owners should be able to unmark comments marked as spam or disable the ability for user to mark comments as spam on their channels. Good vid, Shane, but I don't get where you're coming from with people who oppose the comments marking them with thumbs down; that's what the feature is there to allow.
MikeSarno 4 years ago
The first time I seen an abuse of this feature was on cdk's channel. If a comment gets 6 votes it's hidden and it doesn't come back. Fair enough until such a thing happens in the space of a few minutes when it is obvious that sockpuppetry is at work.
Or you can simply wipe cookies and repeatably vote - same difference.
themadhair 4 years ago
"If a comment gets 6 votes it's hidden and it doesn't come back."
Can't you simply use the handy pull down menu at the top of the comments section to "show all comments?"
MikeSarno 4 years ago
You can, but it is the principle of what they are doing that pisses us off.
To actually go the trouble, to take the time and effort to do something like that because you feel your worldview is threatened is very telling.
Makes you wonder how far they can carry this mentality?
themadhair 4 years ago
"You can, but it is the principle of what they are doing that pisses us off."
I understand the sentiment, but that's a feature of YT, and it's not confined to the creationists. Likewise, it's rare enough that when you see it, it's not too much trouble to go back and change the setting. You do realize that you're arguing with CREATIONISTS, right? You're not going to accomplish much.
MikeSarno 4 years ago
Don't let them pull you down, themadhair, or anyone else for that! Best not to take it so negatively, they are just out of ammo and running scares in the battling fields of debate. They have nowhere to run so they try sabotaging method of mass flamming, spamming, down ranking comments to the point of spam and flagging to try to Shut us down. So far they are not smart enough and we already know what they tend to do when cornered.
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
For each comment being down ranked, flagged or put as spam by a debating creationist, its a victory, not a sweet one at best but a sure one. SO LET THEM GIVE IT THEIR ALL, WE WILL STILL BE HERE NO MATTER WHAT AND TAKE IT LIKE A MAN!
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
"Best not to take it so negatively"
This same tactic was used on VFX also and I opposed it then too. The tactic, in and on itself, is simply wrong whether you are a creationist or evolutionist.
themadhair 4 years ago
Touche, themadhair, Best advice would be to not stoop low to that level. Saying this would easier than done, but temptation would be something to master and overcome if it keeps giving that person the itch.
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
"At the very least, channel owners should be able to unmark comments marked as spam"
Well, once you click the "Show" link to show the messages, there is a "Not Spam" link, but apparently more than one person has to click it. I tried doing that with several of the comments, and when I reloaded the page they were still marked as spam.
shanedk 4 years ago
They can say all they want, but they can't hide what they've done. Their actions speak louder than words. Those who claim to have morals have proven to us they have none. They do their cause a great service, for anyone on the fence will see which side of the debate plays fair and is interested in learning the truth in an unbiased manner. Great video. Creationists have once again hung themselves.
cdk007 4 years ago 2
I think they have "Biblical Morals"...read that damn book sometime,you will see what I mean.
ogami72 4 years ago
something about biblical morals involves the ends justifing the means and exterminating people with a different belief system than yours, so erasing the spam is right along those lines.
wakeangel2001 4 years ago
Well, Jesus himself said, "By their fruits shall you know them." Great advice, JC!
shanedk 4 years ago
Actually that's not the only thing Jesus said against creationists. Also, it's funny how creationist fundamentalism can actually be debunked by literal intepretation of the bible.
Retardretroguy 4 years ago
Actually, what you said in the creationisms edition of bogosity, about Hovind picking and choosin texts from the bible, pretty much sums up whole creationism (or any other "literal intepretation" based fundamentalism)
Retardretroguy 4 years ago
You'd think people who believe they got the truth directly from god wouldn't be so threatened by disagreement. Oh ye of little faith apparently.
theinquisitor 4 years ago
Nice cdk007 homage at the end there. :)
ArchMageZeratuL 4 years ago 2
I usually stick that onto the end of the science videos. It's good advice, anyway.
shanedk 4 years ago
I wonder how long it will take before the do the same to this video.
jebus6kryst 4 years ago
Quite right shane. Chase those bible bashing creationist God botherers.
And that includes those moon walking heros of yours.
Aldrin
Duke- even got his own church
Irwin- halfwit who went looking for Noahs Ark up a mountain in Turkey
Even Gene Cernan was forcing that God garbage on the public in that recent film In The Shadow Of The Moonset.
greenmagoos 4 years ago
None of them were creationists. Save your paranoid delusions for the moon hoax videos where you can keep asserting that NASA attached wires to every little grain of dust...
shanedk 4 years ago
Jim Irwin went looking for Noahs Ark up a mountain in Turkey.
He was a nutcase. Brainwashed by NASASCAM into believing he landed on the Moon no doubt.
Poor fellow.
greenmagoos 4 years ago
They always talk about atheist being dishonest/ immoral, but it is always their videos that ban ratings or comments. I saw some diliberate misquotes of dawkins, darwin, einstein, and hawking on a creationist video, but theres no way to inform the viewer of the complete quote because they ban all discretion. Creationists are liars.
KameWaOni 4 years ago 3
Yes, and they prohibit video responses as well. A person browsing the videos and seeing one of those has no indication that there even IS a rebuttal.
shanedk 4 years ago