Se si è presentato nei Verdi sono affari suoi; se va a caccia o quale pubblicità fa sono solo affari suoi; Messner è pur sempre un grande alpinista, il resto sono solo affari suoi! Dopo Buhl è uno dei miei idoli.
Vaffanculo!! parli di rispetto della montagnia, amare la natura....e poi reclamizzi un fucile da caccia su una nota rivista per cacciatori?? E il bello che ti sei presentato come canditato nella lista dei verdi. Coglione tu e chi ti ha permesso di fare cio'.....se leggi questo commento e vuoi rispondermi, dimmelo, ti do il mio cellulare e poi ti spiego un paio di cosette. Venduto!
"The K2 is perhaps the most beautiful of the 8000m peaks, seen from several sides. I wouldn't say that K2 is the most difficult one, as often claimed. There are some very difficult routes, which have been climbed in recent time. K2 is very exposed to storms and although the upper part is relatively easy, at all sides, many climbers precipitated into ruin because they thought that this part wouldn't be difficult and they would quickly climb up and down again.
Then they walked into areas with high avalanche dangers, or they were tired and underrated the mass of snowdrifts at the ridge. Because of this, the K2 is a very fatal and deadly 8000m mountain in recent time."
Manuel.... I'm a bicyclist, not a mountaineer. My friend gave me a book by Greg Child though and I became fascinated by it {for some reason} especially K2 {and Nanga Parbat to a lesser extent.} I've read a number of books on expeditions to K2, 1953, 1975, 1986. The year 27 ascended and 13 died.I'm no expert but as I said I've read everything I can get my hands on........I'd have to strongly disagree with you that K2 isn't the hardest mountain to climb. }{next post}
Why? It is the most "exposed mountain" from what I understand. It is much higher than any peaks around it and thus gets the full brunt of the brutal weather and storms which come from the Chinese side..It is incredibly steep from all aproaches.....The weather is just dreadful much of the time and can change "on a dime." This often necessitates people having to be up around 8,000 meters {death zone} for protracted periods where they lose their strength and oftentimes their judgment causing
poor decisions and utter exhaustion {sometimes edema} later on oftentimes in the descent. I gather if you get caught up on the summit pyramid too late......if you start down too late........there are no fixed ropes up on that upper pyramid and it is almost certain death in a storm. Historically, of the people who have summitted K2 about 25% didn't make it down. You indicate this is because of avalanches. Sometimes. There are many reasons. Falls. Avalanches. Exposure.
There had NEVER been a successful winter summit of K2. For many years it was considered unclimbable. Reinhold Messner called the "magic line" the "last problem" in mountaineering. Maybe you need to do a little homework on K2 Manuel or perhaps climbing the "magic line" sometime. {Perhaps in the winter.} I think it would give you a good run for your money.
Perhaps Messner does his statement from his personal experience.
It's very well possible he had more difficulties with other 8000'ers, f.i. Nanga Parbat, where after all he lost his brother in 1978, when they were trying it together.
L'ho visto alla tv per ricordare Walter Bonatti, il suo eroe quando era piccolo.
Sempre gran bella persona, Messner.
Complimenti
marben721 4 weeks ago
Se si è presentato nei Verdi sono affari suoi; se va a caccia o quale pubblicità fa sono solo affari suoi; Messner è pur sempre un grande alpinista, il resto sono solo affari suoi! Dopo Buhl è uno dei miei idoli.
sciaeppe 9 months ago
der deutsche chuck norris
walkerskyzzz 9 months ago
@walkerskyzzz messner ist geborener österreicher
Jacal65 8 months ago
@Jacal65
Stimmt leider auch nicht: geboren in Südtirol - Italien
TheBahnhofskino 7 months ago
@TheBahnhofskino Stimmt leider nicht... er wurde 1944 geboren - südtirol kam erst 1945 zu italien ;)
Jacal65 7 months ago
Vaffanculo!! parli di rispetto della montagnia, amare la natura....e poi reclamizzi un fucile da caccia su una nota rivista per cacciatori?? E il bello che ti sei presentato come canditato nella lista dei verdi. Coglione tu e chi ti ha permesso di fare cio'.....se leggi questo commento e vuoi rispondermi, dimmelo, ti do il mio cellulare e poi ti spiego un paio di cosette. Venduto!
alefiora69 1 year ago
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RuudJH 2 years ago
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ja chas ja wohl ned sie ihr arschlöcher. höred uf damit. ich duens etz afach emol in english überegeh. schtop it. put it down. just do it........
herbert kistler
bahnhofstrasse 5c
8864 reichenburg
switzerland
ihr engländer hen e kei ahnig
jugo46 4 years ago
Thank you very much.
indoctor 4 years ago
Please, subtitles in English!!!
indoctor 4 years ago
"The K2 is perhaps the most beautiful of the 8000m peaks, seen from several sides. I wouldn't say that K2 is the most difficult one, as often claimed. There are some very difficult routes, which have been climbed in recent time. K2 is very exposed to storms and although the upper part is relatively easy, at all sides, many climbers precipitated into ruin because they thought that this part wouldn't be difficult and they would quickly climb up and down again.
ManuelXZ5 4 years ago 6
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Then they walked into areas with high avalanche dangers, or they were tired and underrated the mass of snowdrifts at the ridge. Because of this, the K2 is a very fatal and deadly 8000m mountain in recent time."
ManuelXZ5 4 years ago 3
Manuel.... I'm a bicyclist, not a mountaineer. My friend gave me a book by Greg Child though and I became fascinated by it {for some reason} especially K2 {and Nanga Parbat to a lesser extent.} I've read a number of books on expeditions to K2, 1953, 1975, 1986. The year 27 ascended and 13 died.I'm no expert but as I said I've read everything I can get my hands on........I'd have to strongly disagree with you that K2 isn't the hardest mountain to climb. }{next post}
kentucy9999 3 years ago
Why? It is the most "exposed mountain" from what I understand. It is much higher than any peaks around it and thus gets the full brunt of the brutal weather and storms which come from the Chinese side..It is incredibly steep from all aproaches.....The weather is just dreadful much of the time and can change "on a dime." This often necessitates people having to be up around 8,000 meters {death zone} for protracted periods where they lose their strength and oftentimes their judgment causing
kentucy9999 3 years ago
poor decisions and utter exhaustion {sometimes edema} later on oftentimes in the descent. I gather if you get caught up on the summit pyramid too late......if you start down too late........there are no fixed ropes up on that upper pyramid and it is almost certain death in a storm. Historically, of the people who have summitted K2 about 25% didn't make it down. You indicate this is because of avalanches. Sometimes. There are many reasons. Falls. Avalanches. Exposure.
kentucy9999 3 years ago
There had NEVER been a successful winter summit of K2. For many years it was considered unclimbable. Reinhold Messner called the "magic line" the "last problem" in mountaineering. Maybe you need to do a little homework on K2 Manuel or perhaps climbing the "magic line" sometime. {Perhaps in the winter.} I think it would give you a good run for your money.
kentucy9999 3 years ago
Hey, please calm down!
Have you not realized that I had just translated Reinhold Messners statement into English? It's not my personal opinion.
So if you think K2 is the hardest mountain to climb it's OK - I don't mind.
If you disagree with the translated statement you have to discuss with Reinhold Messner.
ManuelXZ5 3 years ago 10
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netfischer 2 years ago
Perhaps Messner does his statement from his personal experience.
It's very well possible he had more difficulties with other 8000'ers, f.i. Nanga Parbat, where after all he lost his brother in 1978, when they were trying it together.
RuudJH 2 years ago
@RuudJH Very true...but the year he lost his brother on NP was 1970.
ArenaOfTheAncients 1 year ago