FNC Debate: Giuliani v. Paul

[curlyfry1106]

oh the things i would do to rudy g

i would guillotine him

i feel thats the best solution

[despothare]

Speaking of absurd theories concerning the attacks of 9/11, Pat Robertson believes non-Christian US citizens need to accept some of the blame for the 9/11 attacks. Pat believes 9/11 was a punishment from God.

Oh, by the way, Giuliani is gladly accepting the endorsement of Robertson.

Rudy jumps down Paul's throat for speaking the truth, and then turns around and attaches his name to Robertson and his absurd 9/11 theory.

Rudy is nothing more than a soul for hire.

[johnnyhmoney]

This is why I dislike Giuliani...

[xXToneLocXx]

ron paul kicked ass..

haha "For someone who lived through 9/11.."

nice little one-liner, but if he had actually done a little reading (I found it in a matter of minutes) would have found that indeed Ron Paul was right and was only restating information obtained from the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States and the 9/11 Commission Report.

[nyferrets]

Hello fellow american

Giuliani is out of control.

All we hear from him is 9/11, but do you remember Rudy before then?

WE sure do.

Check out what our fellow ferrets are saying about him:

Just Search for nyferrets on youtube

Yours truly,

mike

leader of the ny ferrets

member of ferrets for freedom

[VinnyM116]

Ron Paul got owned

[whatitdo1984]

Why?

[seldimseen]

I have to agree with Paul, what we need to disengage from this perpetual state of war is intelligent analysis of the causes and effects of militarism and terrorism. Giuliani is a thug, and an anti-intellectual. Unfortunately, America seems to not have learned from the example of our current dumb, hyper-macho leader. Down w/Giuliani, and down w/censorship!

[elevatn]

The fact that the audience erupts in applause at Rudy's response shows the sad, sad state of the republican party. Are they really that out of touch with reality??

[liberty013]

Yes.

[boreddd3]

Next Giuliani will be saying he never heard that it's not ok to marry your own cousin.

[cp833]

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[waesrdtf]

ghouliani looks like nosferatu

[lordmetroid]

If Guliana gets elected, we can say gooood bye freedom!

[Unklebillybob]

lordm - Well, if Rudy gets elected the terrorists can say goooooooooood bye to their ass'

[gearzone2611]

lol they're correcting each others. yet on the other hand they are the responsible of 9-11, weird!

[bhendershot2003]

giuliani worries me and should worry you

[elgado]

If an attractive woman walks down a dark alleyway in a pretty rough neighbourhood and so ends up getting raped, even though the rapist gets the ultimate blame for comitting the crime, the woman should be well aware that she could have done more to protect herself. It's the same with foreign policy: the possibility of terrorist reprisals is the price one pays for interventions.

[JadeAegis]

So... America is like a hot woman, and bombs are... penises?

Candidate for worst analogy of all time

[elgado]

You must either be dying to crack a joke or have never seen a poor analogy. The purpose of an analogy is to make a point. Mine may have used unconventional imagery, nevertheless it served it's purpose; to draw an analogy. Your post is just anal. (not that my reply isn't either) =D

[jab2ur]

The 9/11 Commission asserts (p. 51): "Many Americans have wondered, 'Why do 'they' hate us so much?' Some also ask, 'What can we do to stop these attacks?' Bin Laden and al Qaeda have given answers to both these questions. To the first, they say that America has attacked Islam.'" The issue surely is complicated w/ grey area, but at least Ron Paul investiages research and analysis; Giuliani takes the Bush approach of fact-less platitudes and scare tactics.

[sog2769]

Go Rudy!

[actwealthy]

When Congressman Ron Paul, who has long served on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, explained how 50 years of American interventionism in the Middle East has helped compromise our national security, Giuliani interrupted saying he had "never heard anything so absurd." This statement is particularly troubling coming from the former mayor who tries to cast himself as a security expert, since Dr. Paul's point comes directly from the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission Report.

[ForAmerica]

In his 1997 interview with CNN, Bin Laden stated that he would send Clinton "messages with no words" in retaliation for the death of 500,000 Iraqi children who died as a result of sanctions. Those sanctions were in place because Clinton said Iraq had WMD. If there is a message that I may send through you, I address to the American troops who came here with their military uniforms walking proudly up and down our land. I say that this represents a blatant provocation to over one billion Muslims.

[patsagainstrats]

Of course, we know that fissionable material, from the failed Soviet Union and other sources, was floating around the world when the "Founding Fathers" commented on non-intervention.

[Seeroftheavatar]

And TVs didn't exist either, so we should probably ignore everything they had to say, since politics was so different back then.

WTF ARE YOU DOING? Claiming we should ignore the past because times change is the ****ing OPPOSITE of conservatism!

[patsagainstrats]

I'm not a conservative. I'm a realist, and just happen to take the threat of Islamist militants very seriously. This Paul is an isolationist. The world is too dangerous for that kind of reactionary foreign policy.

[Unklebillybob]

What would mr paul do if, heaven forbid, he were president and we were attacked, again? That's a real question for any and all.

[liberty013]

Same thing he did as a Congressman when we were attacked on 9/11. He wouldn't use a legit war to divert our efforts to pursue special interests by starting another war, and he surely wouldn't lie to us and concoct false intelligence in order to do so.

[patsagainstrats]

Are you accusing Clinton's man, George Tenet, of doctoring the intel to lead us to war? Is this the reason why Hillary voted for it?

[Unklebillybob]

pat - don't know who you are talking to, but hillary voted for the war, because it made her look good, at the time. And she is one piece of work.

[liberty013]

I guess you'll have to ask Hillary..(and good luck with getting a straight answer). I'm not gonna speculate on who did what and why, but we've known since 1998 that it was policy to force regime change in Iraq. Ron Paul was against it then, against it in 2003, and is against it now. Hillary's husband was for the regime change in 1998 when he signed it into policy.

[patsagainstrats]

Was Ron Paul in favor of sanctions to create behavior in the Iraq government? I hear this resulted in the deaths of thousands of Iraqi people.

[liberty013]

"Sanctions do not hurt political leaders, as we know most recently from our sanctions against Iraq, but rather sow misery among the poorest and most vulnerable segments of society. Dictators do not go hungry when sanctions are imposed."--Ron Paul, 6 May 2004. He is a strong opponent of sanctioning.

[patsagainstrats]

Perhaps, but they do encourage the people to rise up against their oppressor, yes? I believe it was only a question of time before Saddam started to build up more WMD's to keep Iran at bay.

[Unklebillybob]

lib - It's all one war. I know this will be, yet another area, where we will disagree, but then, we are fighting this same group of terrorists...it doesn't matter where they live, where they come from or who they are.

As for Saddam Hussein, he was a bad man, killing hundreds of thousands of people. Not abiding by all of those UN resolutions and still trying to keep the weapon inspectors out.

[liberty013]

Only around 7% of resistance in Iraq are foreign. So it's not the same group, but Iraqis bent on fighting the occupying U.S. forces. I don't understand the logic behind the idea that if we stay we can make the situation better.. as if the Iraqi's will finally give up and let us build our 14 permanent bases in Iraq. I know I wouldn't have it in my homeland, and I know my fellow countrymen would fight it down to the last man.

[patsagainstrats]

I don't believe Paul on the "permanent bases," and that arbritrary number. I've never heard anything beyond speculation on this, nothing conclusive.

[Unklebillybob]

lib - your statistics are in error. Also, where do you think their weapons are coming from? And your partially right about one thing, the Taliban will fight to the last man...not including the top terrorists, they get others to die for allah

[venable36]

Paul just needs to get out of the race now. Rudy is absolutely correct! Thank God we have a candidate for president that knows what he is doing! Paul is a disgrace the Republican Party!

[MusoSpuso]

Venable36: I like how you are clear and concise with your logical and well thought out arguments against Ron Paul. You and Rudy must have studied in the same "Talk a lot but say absolutely nothing" class at Mob Mentality University

[newmondo]

Yep, the terrorists hate us because of our "freedoms". LMAO! Can people really be THAT stupid?

Ron Paul 2008

[Unklebillybob]

new - look at the UK video. You will not be LYAO.

[TouchingYou]

Team Rudy and his confused 911 operators actually told people in the Twin Towers to stay in their offices (where they died), and it's been proven that Rudy almost singlehandedly killed all 343 firemen (thanks to the faulty radios). How do you lose 3,000 people in 2 hours and SPIN that into "leadership"?? This media corruption must stop.

[liberty013]

Unfortunately, there are far more ignorant Americans than educated Americans. Here we are 6 years after 9/11, and people still don't know the real reasons behind the attack. Sad.

[Unklebillybob]

lib - Where have you been...OBL tried to bring down the WTC during the clinton administration. And he bragged about it at the time.

[liberty013]

What does that have to do with bin Laden's reasons for wanting to attack us? Ron Paul points out that our foreign policy for the last 50 years is what led to 9/11. Guiliani tries an emotional appeal, distorting Pauls words and ignoring the facts. Most Americans side with Guiliani's uneducated "feelings" about why, while Paul points out the hard truth of the matter.

[Unklebillybob]

lib, it's their mind-set. It's how their being indoctrinated. To hate us. Look at the video. We, Americans, are not Muslim. Therefore, we should never put our feet on their land. Even if we are invited by other countries, in that area.

[liberty013]

And I think we very well should keep our military out of these sovereign nations. As Ron Paul says, trade with them, maintain diplomatic relationships with them, but don't go "nation building" and "regime changing" because of oil (Iran 1953, Iraq 2003).. and ESPECIALLY don't do it under false pretenses. If we want to police the world and occupy sovereign nations, then it's only logic that we will be hated and that we will become less safe in America for supporting such policies.

[1Brockster15]

Also, pay attention to Guiliani's response: "That's an extraordinary statement ... I don't think I've ever heard that before, and I've heard some pretty absurd explanations for 9/11 ... and I would ask the congressman to withdraw that comment and tell us he didn't really mean that." There is no substance whatsoever to Giuliani's response; he offers no refutation of Ron Paul's argument, yet the audience goes off clapping like a bunch of retards who just got candy.

[1Brockster15]

Politics is such a game. Dr. Paul is so obviously correct. Of course it's true that we invited the 9/11 attacks with our interference in ME affairs. OBL and others have explicitly stated this, both before and after 9/11. Giuliani knows this; everyone knows this. For Giuliani to pretend otherwise is simply dishonest.

[8real]

The big question is, how many people sde with the Mob Man? Giuliani needs to then explain to us, why these 12 terrorist attacked us....Wonder what his answer would be...."Beause they hate our freedom.".....Huh? Did I hit it on the nose or what? The Mob Man knows a lot more about 9/11 than any of those other candidates, yet he disagrees with Ron Paul? Why?..Staged?

[Unklebillybob]

To All - If you have the time, take a look at YouTube's video of Islam. There are three parts to this video. Just type in: UK Undercover, Islam This may give you an idea why we were being attacked.