@kenseisato1989 savate shoes, similar to boxing boots they have a reinforced toe and a fairly smooth sole to reduce the chance of catching and snagging on an opponents clothes or face.
I agree that savate is very good n all, but first full contact boxing? In the first olympics some 2000 years ago, they had fullcontact boxing ( no gloves), free fighting were everything was allowed ( where eyeballes were often gouged out). But my knowledge of savate is small. Wasn't it created in the 19th century? In 1743 in England there was a fullcontact, no glove boxing tournament.
The Boxing style that existed in 1743 was not of England, but of Great Britain. The boxing sport of England (or the Boxing sport that we know today) was developed until 1898, as a result of experimenting techniques of Great Britain's boxing and Filipino fighting techniques, and it's known as "English Boxing".
Still, your affirmation saying that Savate isn't the first Full-contact boxing style is right. What it is may be true is that it was the first WESTERN KICKBOXING style.
Sheik06, you're gonna have to clarify something: Great Britain is a nation composed of England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. When you say: "not of England, but of Great Britain", what are you saying? Was it Welsh, Scottish, or Northern Irish? My Impression was that is was English, and therefore (also) from Great Britain.
"Filipino fighting techniques"??? Where on Earth did you come up with that one? What contact did the English have with the Philippines back in the days of Broughton (who published his set of Rules in 1743), let alone in January 1681 when the Protestant Murcury were the first known newspaper to report on a Boxing match!
that's right. Western boxing's head movements and footwork were influenced by the Filipino fighting arts. There were boxers who came back from the Philippines and changed there boxing style and started winning matches. If you want to know what western boxing was like before the influence, it's basically two guys with the hands up and palm facing inward like the old boxing movies. that's the original western boxing style.
@GetDamage I believe you are talking about US Marines who fought and were stationed during the PhilippineAmerican War, and supposedly encountered Filipino street fighters. There is no proof that is where bobbing and weaving and modern stance came from (although there is no proof that it didn't come from that either).
@pugilistica There were a few sources but i don't really know for sure. There isn't any solid proof documented and probably doesn't matter who started what. It's pretty common how the americans traveled to Japan and brought back Judo and Karate. the French went to Thailand and brought with them boxing techniques. The Dutch borrowed Muay thai and made it there own. The chinese borrowed from the indian martial arts and a lot styles borrowed from the chinese.My guest is that it is most likely...
@GetDamage Read the history on savate.net All information and dates etc have been fully researched over many years, and the sources cross-checked.
It is also highly likely that Chausson had similar (if not the same) origins as Capoeira — i.e. African slaves. Savate bears no similarities to Muay Thai either.
@pugilistica I am confuse. I thought we were talking about western boxing. Honestly, I don't know much about savate other than they kick with their shoes and the art started on the streets and later added hand techniques from western boxing. Muay Thai hand techniques were influenced by western boxing that were brought over by the French and in Thailand and Laos, they sometimes called them by the French name. I agree that savate bears nothing like Muay Thai. thanks for the site. I give it a look.
@GetDamage Yeah, I do remember reading somehwhere that savate's kicking was not influenced by the Asian arts. It is likely that savate was influenced by African arts like you said. I just checked out your channel, nice work and thanks for the knowledge =)
@pugilistica The old style was a lot different. For them to suddenly add head movements, footwork, a change in fighting stance tells me they were influenced my somehthing. People usually do not change drastically like that unless they were influence by something. Usually a loss to a certain style. In Kyokushin, the creator of the style , Mas Oyama, altered his kicks after fighting a Muay Thai, and later added the shin kicks to his arsenal. This is also true with Benny Urquidez..
@pugilistica it is commonly believed that Ferdinand Magellan reached the philippines in 1521 it is conceivable therefore that, as england and portugal had been allies since the 1386 treaty of Windsor, Magellan could have had english crewmen.
@colstreamer As I understand it, Magellan was a Portugese Explorer and Navigator in charge of several Spanish ships — a small fleet. As Spain and England were hardly best of buddies, I think it highly unlikely there would have been any English crewmen on board!
@pugilistica At that time (1521) England and spain were not at war nor were they hostile toward one another, they were in fact allied against france in 1511 in the treaty of westminster prior to involvment in the war of the league of Cambrai an alliance they maintained long after the end of that particular conflict. Magellan had a number of nationalities among his crew including Portuguese, Spanish, Italians, Germans, Flemish, Greeks, English and French.
you were right about the expedition being funded by the Spanish though, Magellan got spanish citizenship in order to be considered for it. But there was never any animosity between Henry VIII of England and Charles I of Spain even after Henry was excommunicated by the Pope.
@colstreamer Source?? In your first reply you stated, "...it is conceivable therefore that, as england and portugal had been allies since the 1386 treaty of Windsor, Magellan could have had english crewmen." You've now changed that from a 'could' to a 'did have'. Which is it? You also said Portugal, when it was in fact five Spanish ships!
@pugilistica Well yeah I don't know the entire history of western europe off the top of my head, I knew about the treaty of windsor, and after you said england and spain were not on friendly terms I had to have a think as I was sure Henry VIII never had a war with Spain, France for sure as he was a claimant to the french throne. I changed "could have" to d
"did have" after a quick check, I knew Magellan was portugese but was unaware that he got spanish citizenship.
@colstreamer Yes, 5 Spanish ships, with around 240 men in total. What percentage of those were likely to have been English? And considering that most of them never made it back anyway, what number of those who made it back were likely to have been English. So my original argument stands.
@colstreamer don't think I believe there is any Philippino influence in savate or any other european martial art. It is inconceivable that only one group of people in one part of the world could come up with the idea of kicking their opponents. There were martial arts in europe well before any european travelled to asia, James Figg, Jack Broughton's predecessor taught much more than just punching in his system of combat.
I agree that savate is very good n all, but first full contact boxing? In the first olympics some 2000 years ago, they had fullcontact boxing ( no gloves), free fighting were everything was allowed ( where eyeballes were often gouged out). But my knowledge of savate is small. Wasn't it created in the 19th century? In 1743 in England there was a fullcontact, no glove boxing tournament.
One thing good about savate is that it is not a professional sport. Some of my friends would disagree, who are going into kick boxing, full contact or muay thai to earn a living, but I prefer my sport to stay an amateur one, because it prevents it to be rotten with bets, dope and too much money. I'd like savate to be an olympic sport, though...
I agree with you. Actually the only thing I don't like about Boxing and Muay Thai is that both sports are just about money, and they threat their fighters very bad, like if they were animals or something. Now most people don't know the true art of both sports now is just pure business, and just use their fighters as tools for that.
you have a great sense of humour or maybe you don't know the staff that works for the french federation and the international federation (entirely ran by the french federation, placing their pawns). those people are about petty power and politics. They ruin the game, giving victory to whoever they want as long as you don't contradict them.
They favor the french team in international competitions and if they consider you too tough or too dangerous for their proteges they make their best to eliminate you (remember, they claim to promote a "non violent sport unlike kick boxing or muay thai".. don't make me laugh a kick is still a kick and a punch still a punch). And what they call "development" is undermining the work of other federations... Just try to figure why such an ancient style is that internationally unknown
I don't mean to bring up any controversy or defend Gymnastic, but having played Rugby, practiced TKD and trained gymnastics , all for several years and at a competitive level, I could assure you that the most injuries and the most time injured and the permanent full body pain that you have in Gymnastics can't compare with the other 2. I haven't competed in full contact combat sports though.
I thought it might come across like I was making a dig at Gymnasts, but what I meant was that it's such a staple of the Olympics, yet they say Savate is too dangerous.
Oh and as of the main point, I'd love to have Savate internationalised. When it boils down to it, it's not as dangerous as it looks. A quick bit of research tells you that "According to USA Savate, "savate ranks lower in number of injuries when compared to American football, hockey, football, gymnastics, basketball, baseball and inline skating". I mean Gymnastics for fuck's sake!
Muay Thai and Savate are both refined, powerful martial arts. Rather than be a style fan boy and argue over which is superior why don't you look at the obvious similarities?
I mean Savate was invented by sailors who picked up the fundamentals in Asian ports, they've just evolved seperately, basically. And in response to kris, training for any art is as hard as the practitioner wants it to be. I mean, some Thai boxers shin kick stone pillars about 200 times a session as part of daily training.
sailors didnt pick it up in asia , southern french sailors made thei own version of northen chausson and after about20 years the sports were united into savate
what's good about savate the learn to kick really good, agile with the legs. People say it's best to punch to the face and kick to the legs, because high kicks to the head are more predictable. UFC fighters neglect these things, but if one trains to kick really fast, hard and high towards the head it can be extremely effective. In savate they are jumping all the time which is good, requires great stamina, and great boxing.
The suits look really cool.
Dimitri0809 3 months ago
how can u call it full contact when gloves are used ?
snkhuong 7 months ago
@snkhuong
u're stupid aren't you ? .... no gloves = dead fighters.
moussleouf 6 months ago 2
what kind of shoes do they put to compete in savate now?
kenseisato1989 1 year ago
@kenseisato1989 savate shoes, similar to boxing boots they have a reinforced toe and a fairly smooth sole to reduce the chance of catching and snagging on an opponents clothes or face.
colstreamer 11 months ago
@colstreamer
thanks for the info :)
kenseisato1989 11 months ago
@kenseisato1989 Do a Google images search for 'Rivat Savate boots' and you'll see.
pugilistica 11 months ago
@pugilistica
thanks already on it :)
kenseisato1989 11 months ago
Could you picture if Coto, Manny Paquio, Floyd Mayweather, Suger Mosley would be like if could do Savate or incorporate it.. DAAAAMN!!!!
Sileni 1 year ago
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MrKmarro 2 years ago
la savate è fantastica!! by italy
linopetro 2 years ago
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myanmar is better...savate is a gay's sport
olibeurre 2 years ago
I'd like to see some of the thuggish forms of Savate (I hope that made sense) you know, street savate as it was back in the old days.
jacko821 3 years ago 9
I agree that savate is very good n all, but first full contact boxing? In the first olympics some 2000 years ago, they had fullcontact boxing ( no gloves), free fighting were everything was allowed ( where eyeballes were often gouged out). But my knowledge of savate is small. Wasn't it created in the 19th century? In 1743 in England there was a fullcontact, no glove boxing tournament.
fodland 4 years ago
The Boxing style that existed in 1743 was not of England, but of Great Britain. The boxing sport of England (or the Boxing sport that we know today) was developed until 1898, as a result of experimenting techniques of Great Britain's boxing and Filipino fighting techniques, and it's known as "English Boxing".
Still, your affirmation saying that Savate isn't the first Full-contact boxing style is right. What it is may be true is that it was the first WESTERN KICKBOXING style.
Sheik06 3 years ago
Sheik06, you're gonna have to clarify something: Great Britain is a nation composed of England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. When you say: "not of England, but of Great Britain", what are you saying? Was it Welsh, Scottish, or Northern Irish? My Impression was that is was English, and therefore (also) from Great Britain.
mogur13 3 years ago
"Filipino fighting techniques"??? Where on Earth did you come up with that one? What contact did the English have with the Philippines back in the days of Broughton (who published his set of Rules in 1743), let alone in January 1681 when the Protestant Murcury were the first known newspaper to report on a Boxing match!
pugilistica 2 years ago 6
Search here on youtube videos about Dan Inosanto, he can explain that issue of boxing history better.
Sheik06 2 years ago
that's right. Western boxing's head movements and footwork were influenced by the Filipino fighting arts. There were boxers who came back from the Philippines and changed there boxing style and started winning matches. If you want to know what western boxing was like before the influence, it's basically two guys with the hands up and palm facing inward like the old boxing movies. that's the original western boxing style.
GetDamage 1 year ago
@GetDamage I believe you are talking about US Marines who fought and were stationed during the PhilippineAmerican War, and supposedly encountered Filipino street fighters. There is no proof that is where bobbing and weaving and modern stance came from (although there is no proof that it didn't come from that either).
thomasknash 1 year ago
@GetDamage This is entirely supposition. It's something Dan Inosanto once said, and now everyone quotes it as gospel.
pugilistica 1 year ago
@pugilistica There were a few sources but i don't really know for sure. There isn't any solid proof documented and probably doesn't matter who started what. It's pretty common how the americans traveled to Japan and brought back Judo and Karate. the French went to Thailand and brought with them boxing techniques. The Dutch borrowed Muay thai and made it there own. The chinese borrowed from the indian martial arts and a lot styles borrowed from the chinese.My guest is that it is most likely...
GetDamage 1 year ago
@GetDamage Read the history on savate.net All information and dates etc have been fully researched over many years, and the sources cross-checked.
It is also highly likely that Chausson had similar (if not the same) origins as Capoeira — i.e. African slaves. Savate bears no similarities to Muay Thai either.
pugilistica 1 year ago
@pugilistica I am confuse. I thought we were talking about western boxing. Honestly, I don't know much about savate other than they kick with their shoes and the art started on the streets and later added hand techniques from western boxing. Muay Thai hand techniques were influenced by western boxing that were brought over by the French and in Thailand and Laos, they sometimes called them by the French name. I agree that savate bears nothing like Muay Thai. thanks for the site. I give it a look.
GetDamage 1 year ago
@GetDamage Yeah, I do remember reading somehwhere that savate's kicking was not influenced by the Asian arts. It is likely that savate was influenced by African arts like you said. I just checked out your channel, nice work and thanks for the knowledge =)
GetDamage 1 year ago
@pugilistica The old style was a lot different. For them to suddenly add head movements, footwork, a change in fighting stance tells me they were influenced my somehthing. People usually do not change drastically like that unless they were influence by something. Usually a loss to a certain style. In Kyokushin, the creator of the style , Mas Oyama, altered his kicks after fighting a Muay Thai, and later added the shin kicks to his arsenal. This is also true with Benny Urquidez..
GetDamage 1 year ago
@pugilistica The 3 B's - Bullshit Baffles Brains.
DW01 1 year ago
@DW01 You've certainly baffled mine, as I haven't a clue what you're on about!
pugilistica 1 year ago
@pugilistica it is commonly believed that Ferdinand Magellan reached the philippines in 1521 it is conceivable therefore that, as england and portugal had been allies since the 1386 treaty of Windsor, Magellan could have had english crewmen.
colstreamer 11 months ago
@colstreamer As I understand it, Magellan was a Portugese Explorer and Navigator in charge of several Spanish ships — a small fleet. As Spain and England were hardly best of buddies, I think it highly unlikely there would have been any English crewmen on board!
pugilistica 11 months ago
@pugilistica At that time (1521) England and spain were not at war nor were they hostile toward one another, they were in fact allied against france in 1511 in the treaty of westminster prior to involvment in the war of the league of Cambrai an alliance they maintained long after the end of that particular conflict. Magellan had a number of nationalities among his crew including Portuguese, Spanish, Italians, Germans, Flemish, Greeks, English and French.
colstreamer 11 months ago
you were right about the expedition being funded by the Spanish though, Magellan got spanish citizenship in order to be considered for it. But there was never any animosity between Henry VIII of England and Charles I of Spain even after Henry was excommunicated by the Pope.
colstreamer 11 months ago
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@colstreamer Source?? In your first reply you stated, "...it is conceivable therefore that, as england and portugal had been allies since the 1386 treaty of Windsor, Magellan could have had english crewmen." You've now changed that from a 'could' to a 'did have'. Which is it? You also said Portugal, when it was in fact five Spanish ships!
pugilistica 11 months ago
@pugilistica Well yeah I don't know the entire history of western europe off the top of my head, I knew about the treaty of windsor, and after you said england and spain were not on friendly terms I had to have a think as I was sure Henry VIII never had a war with Spain, France for sure as he was a claimant to the french throne. I changed "could have" to d
"did have" after a quick check, I knew Magellan was portugese but was unaware that he got spanish citizenship.
colstreamer 11 months ago
@colstreamer Yes, 5 Spanish ships, with around 240 men in total. What percentage of those were likely to have been English? And considering that most of them never made it back anyway, what number of those who made it back were likely to have been English. So my original argument stands.
pugilistica 11 months ago
@pugilistica yet some did make it back who's to say which ones.
colstreamer 11 months ago
@colstreamer don't think I believe there is any Philippino influence in savate or any other european martial art. It is inconceivable that only one group of people in one part of the world could come up with the idea of kicking their opponents. There were martial arts in europe well before any european travelled to asia, James Figg, Jack Broughton's predecessor taught much more than just punching in his system of combat.
colstreamer 11 months ago
I agree that savate is very good n all, but first full contact boxing? In the first olympics some 2000 years ago, they had fullcontact boxing ( no gloves), free fighting were everything was allowed ( where eyeballes were often gouged out). But my knowledge of savate is small. Wasn't it created in the 19th century? In 1743 in England there was a fullcontact, no glove boxing tournament.
fodland 4 years ago
One thing good about savate is that it is not a professional sport. Some of my friends would disagree, who are going into kick boxing, full contact or muay thai to earn a living, but I prefer my sport to stay an amateur one, because it prevents it to be rotten with bets, dope and too much money. I'd like savate to be an olympic sport, though...
bert666666 4 years ago 2
I agree with you. Actually the only thing I don't like about Boxing and Muay Thai is that both sports are just about money, and they threat their fighters very bad, like if they were animals or something. Now most people don't know the true art of both sports now is just pure business, and just use their fighters as tools for that.
Sheik06 4 years ago
@Sheik06 yeah theyd be better off taking care of roosters for fighting..it so sad..
gabbomushy 2 years ago
you have a great sense of humour or maybe you don't know the staff that works for the french federation and the international federation (entirely ran by the french federation, placing their pawns). those people are about petty power and politics. They ruin the game, giving victory to whoever they want as long as you don't contradict them.
thedarkestcloud 2 years ago
They favor the french team in international competitions and if they consider you too tough or too dangerous for their proteges they make their best to eliminate you (remember, they claim to promote a "non violent sport unlike kick boxing or muay thai".. don't make me laugh a kick is still a kick and a punch still a punch). And what they call "development" is undermining the work of other federations... Just try to figure why such an ancient style is that internationally unknown
thedarkestcloud 2 years ago
That was awesome.
EcdysiastMidget 4 years ago
Hey, are there any weight divisions in savate? Just curious.
snakethemack 4 years ago
ah la savate toute ma jeunesse sympa ces video je lisais les compte rendu sur karaté bushido et la 10 ans plus tard je vois les images c marrant
ronindesbois 4 years ago
I don't mean to bring up any controversy or defend Gymnastic, but having played Rugby, practiced TKD and trained gymnastics , all for several years and at a competitive level, I could assure you that the most injuries and the most time injured and the permanent full body pain that you have in Gymnastics can't compare with the other 2. I haven't competed in full contact combat sports though.
357869871 4 years ago
I thought it might come across like I was making a dig at Gymnasts, but what I meant was that it's such a staple of the Olympics, yet they say Savate is too dangerous.
yasserarran15 4 years ago
When did they said that? So they don't really agree with USA Savate and it's studies of the low-injuries rank?
Sheik06 3 years ago
Oh and as of the main point, I'd love to have Savate internationalised. When it boils down to it, it's not as dangerous as it looks. A quick bit of research tells you that "According to USA Savate, "savate ranks lower in number of injuries when compared to American football, hockey, football, gymnastics, basketball, baseball and inline skating". I mean Gymnastics for fuck's sake!
yasserarran15 4 years ago
Muay Thai and Savate are both refined, powerful martial arts. Rather than be a style fan boy and argue over which is superior why don't you look at the obvious similarities?
I mean Savate was invented by sailors who picked up the fundamentals in Asian ports, they've just evolved seperately, basically. And in response to kris, training for any art is as hard as the practitioner wants it to be. I mean, some Thai boxers shin kick stone pillars about 200 times a session as part of daily training.
yasserarran15 4 years ago
sailors didnt pick it up in asia , southern french sailors made thei own version of northen chausson and after about20 years the sports were united into savate
1kb3nt3g3k 3 years ago
what's good about savate the learn to kick really good, agile with the legs. People say it's best to punch to the face and kick to the legs, because high kicks to the head are more predictable. UFC fighters neglect these things, but if one trains to kick really fast, hard and high towards the head it can be extremely effective. In savate they are jumping all the time which is good, requires great stamina, and great boxing.
Shonaripa 4 years ago
I practice savate and i can tell you it is so much harder than any other fighting technique.
in competition fighters get marked on technique, hits and an overall performance. the kicks require good amme which means proper bending of legs etc
kristheredeemer 4 years ago
i practice it too, and i second that.
prouck 4 years ago
I did not see one ko-kick
arcalimon1 4 years ago
do not talk shit about savate, this sport practiced at high level is lethal
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dude, muay-tai > french faggets
CarniKilla 4 years ago
idiot comment. You visibly are not a fighter.
frenchlion 4 years ago 2
Compared to all those Muay-Thay Sissies, french fighters really got stamina!
poseid00n 4 years ago 3