This obsession with "exploitation" and "hierarchy" is ridiculous and creepy. The concept of freedom is pushed beyond the social ethical realm and into the familial and personal. It is antithetical to any genuine freedom movement because it puts forward a very peculiar ideal of man and society which simply does not correspond to reality. You sound like a nut who is at war with every aspect of society. What a waste of time.
As his student in 1975, I must say this is a good summary of his thinking. I left this philosophy behind many years ago. Barak Hussein Obama however still agrees with Murray.
The advent of social networking provides the revolutionary potential the workers movement had preventions in educating and organizing, on an international scale.
This is one of the most beautiful and cogent segments of this fascinating, too short, documentary. In this segment, Bookchin lays out the best of anarchism, what inspires about anarchism, and the pitfalls of our prior workers' movement and how the workers themselves have been co-opted into our hierarchical structures - schools, factories, marriages [gender oppression], obedience, the industrial routine.
Una natura riverita è una natura separata dal suo posto nellumanità, nel senso che anche la ragione umana è unespressione della natura resa auto-consapevole, di una natura che trova la sua voce in una delle sue creazioni. Non siamo solo noi a dover avere il nostro posto nella natura; anche la natura deve avere il suo posto in noi, in una società ecologica e in unetica fondata sul ruolo catalizzatore dellumanità nellevoluzione naturale M.Bookchin
I´m very pro anarchism. Anti-Authority and Anti-Hierarchy. But what is the economic solution? The anarchy of the market e.g. makes the hierarchy in companies possible! (?)
you know fotopoulos?impresive!i think inclusive democracy is very intresting but it needs work,plus fotopoulos has made many mistakes as an poltical figure... youtube its not a very comforatble situation to analyse further...
Hi there. Inclusive Democracy is probably the only solution in a scarcity society for the gradual abolishment of hierarchy structures and heteronomies of all kind. It defines the preconditions for a democratic and autonomous society at all levels and doesn' t impose a "specific model" in order to copy, so of course to establish and maintain democracy will always need democratic work!
Read anything about participatory economics? The ideas at its core are the same as those of political and social anarchism; decentralization, voluntarism, democracy, non-hierarchy, etc.
I think the mind of the worker is much more capable of revolutionary thought than the mind of an intellectual. Thats probably part of the reason that so much structure is imposed in the factory.
The worker and the intellect both become narrow-minded, but each because of different circumstances. Revolutionary thought isnt restricted to any one position or status in society; no thoughts ever are.
We are for a classless society in the final arrangement, attaching rigid values to social positions can be countrproductive. And as bookchin himself showed - you can be a worker and an intellectual.
the factory...created habits of mind in the worker...that served to assimilate the worker...it has an adaptive function, an adjunct to the capitalistic system
I think Bookchin was largely disallusioned with what he called lifestyle anarchism, he wrote a brilliant essay on it called social anarchism vs lifestyle anarchism. It is important to maintain that he never lost his libertarian ethos and was an anti-statist to the end. In a strange way he was more libertarian than most anarchists who unfortunately end up cultish and insulated.
Most definitely. He kinda got a little bit too judgmental in his last few years, though. In my opinion, if someone is to be an anarchist, they must at least be a lifestyle anarchist, in that they must not just believe in anarchy, but they have to be anarchy. Once a person has reached that point, we can talk about revolution, but not before.
Its interesting that in his last years, he almost seemed to come full circle, going back to some of his old Marxism, but still retaining some libertarian thinking.
This obsession with "exploitation" and "hierarchy" is ridiculous and creepy. The concept of freedom is pushed beyond the social ethical realm and into the familial and personal. It is antithetical to any genuine freedom movement because it puts forward a very peculiar ideal of man and society which simply does not correspond to reality. You sound like a nut who is at war with every aspect of society. What a waste of time.
MillionthUsername 3 months ago
As his student in 1975, I must say this is a good summary of his thinking. I left this philosophy behind many years ago. Barak Hussein Obama however still agrees with Murray.
Telescopemaker 4 months ago
The advent of social networking provides the revolutionary potential the workers movement had preventions in educating and organizing, on an international scale.
NosdrahcirBocaj 1 year ago
wise words.
boozec 1 year ago
This is one of the most beautiful and cogent segments of this fascinating, too short, documentary. In this segment, Bookchin lays out the best of anarchism, what inspires about anarchism, and the pitfalls of our prior workers' movement and how the workers themselves have been co-opted into our hierarchical structures - schools, factories, marriages [gender oppression], obedience, the industrial routine.
EastofModernity 1 year ago
Una natura riverita è una natura separata dal suo posto nellumanità, nel senso che anche la ragione umana è unespressione della natura resa auto-consapevole, di una natura che trova la sua voce in una delle sue creazioni. Non siamo solo noi a dover avere il nostro posto nella natura; anche la natura deve avere il suo posto in noi, in una società ecologica e in unetica fondata sul ruolo catalizzatore dellumanità nellevoluzione naturale M.Bookchin
LaGranLibertaria 2 years ago
he was just getting to the good part. is there more?
adzug 2 years ago
a great thinker
theolux1 2 years ago 2
Un clásico de la ecologia social que lamentablemente está en Inglés.
Se aprecia claramente los conceptos de jerarquía y dominación, claves para entender la propuesta de Bookchin
Recomendado para todos.
paradewebiarme 3 years ago
I´m very pro anarchism. Anti-Authority and Anti-Hierarchy. But what is the economic solution? The anarchy of the market e.g. makes the hierarchy in companies possible! (?)
kaufmann789 3 years ago
you should read about anarcho-collectivism and anarchocommunism,kropotkin etc.you will found it very intresting
xamogelare 3 years ago 2
Do you have a concret proposal? .. What do you think about Inclusive Democracy from Takis Fotopoulos (a Greek person-)
kaufmann789 3 years ago
you know fotopoulos?impresive!i think inclusive democracy is very intresting but it needs work,plus fotopoulos has made many mistakes as an poltical figure... youtube its not a very comforatble situation to analyse further...
xamogelare 3 years ago
Hi there. Inclusive Democracy is probably the only solution in a scarcity society for the gradual abolishment of hierarchy structures and heteronomies of all kind. It defines the preconditions for a democratic and autonomous society at all levels and doesn' t impose a "specific model" in order to copy, so of course to establish and maintain democracy will always need democratic work!
oxonakis 3 years ago
sorry that was a reply to kauffmann and xamogelare below...
oxonakis 3 years ago
@xamogelare you should better read cornelius castoriadis to my opinion his critique is the most radical in nowadays...
noiseklinik 2 years ago
xamogelare I am wondering what mistakes "as a political figure" (as if he were a professional politician minding his image!) Fotopoulos has made.
oxonakis 3 years ago
Read anything about participatory economics? The ideas at its core are the same as those of political and social anarchism; decentralization, voluntarism, democracy, non-hierarchy, etc.
aewester 3 years ago
Moving Forward is a great book on participatory economics.
danelutti07 2 years ago
I think the mind of the worker is much more capable of revolutionary thought than the mind of an intellectual. Thats probably part of the reason that so much structure is imposed in the factory.
meowtek 4 years ago
The worker and the intellect both become narrow-minded, but each because of different circumstances. Revolutionary thought isnt restricted to any one position or status in society; no thoughts ever are.
IntelligentHoodlum 4 years ago 3
Well said Intellegent Hoodlum, very well said.
We are for a classless society in the final arrangement, attaching rigid values to social positions can be countrproductive. And as bookchin himself showed - you can be a worker and an intellectual.
taxamo 4 years ago
i love book-baby!
rocinante316 4 years ago
the factory...created habits of mind in the worker...that served to assimilate the worker...it has an adaptive function, an adjunct to the capitalistic system
pennilesscripple 4 years ago
He was a very interesting communalist.
expobib 4 years ago
Murray Bookchin was the last true anarchist! R.I.P.
Pztzr 4 years ago
There's no such thing as a 'true' anarchist, it is a contradiction in terms. ;-)
Psychoclown69 4 years ago
What about howard zinn, noam chomsky, david graeber, john zerzan, and any of us?
caucazoidandroid 3 years ago
I think Bookchin was largely disallusioned with what he called lifestyle anarchism, he wrote a brilliant essay on it called social anarchism vs lifestyle anarchism. It is important to maintain that he never lost his libertarian ethos and was an anti-statist to the end. In a strange way he was more libertarian than most anarchists who unfortunately end up cultish and insulated.
FA8T 4 years ago 15
Most definitely. He kinda got a little bit too judgmental in his last few years, though. In my opinion, if someone is to be an anarchist, they must at least be a lifestyle anarchist, in that they must not just believe in anarchy, but they have to be anarchy. Once a person has reached that point, we can talk about revolution, but not before.
R3DF4C710N 4 years ago
R.I.P. Comrade. Thank you for showing us a path of hope.
patrickracine 4 years ago 3
Its interesting that in his last years, he almost seemed to come full circle, going back to some of his old Marxism, but still retaining some libertarian thinking.
theonlygeoman 5 years ago
R.I.P. Bookchin!
Anarkokommunist 5 years ago 7