i have trained with both major general choi hong hi 9th degree founder and also his son grand master choi jung wha and neither have ever called it sond wave, sine wave is a relaxed state of the body so every body's interpritation will differ
very cool to see a master perform a basic pattern, but there was one thing I noticed: he didn't really "freeze" his arm movements between teqniques, I've learned that one should freeze between each movement long enough for someone to take a camera picture (as an example) of each movement. But then again, I guess it's impossible to make everyone in the world learn EXCACT the same.. :)
The "freeze", I think, is a bit of a myth. The tension is supposed to leave the body after each step in the tul and that is impossible with an abrupt freeze.
This execution of the tul is amazing. Truly "textbook".
If you've "learned" something and can't actually provide a practical reason for it, it's not a good idea to criticise an 8th degree over it. The very suggestion of stopping stiffly mid-technique is patently absurd to me... if you time the backswing properly to be stretching the muscles just before they contract, they'll contract harder. For example, google plyometrics, or think about any other physical activity like swinging an axe or golf club: do you stop your backswing for a while?
I see that this is confusing. what I (and the people I've trained with) learned is that in patterns, you won't do motions like you would in real life. The "freezing" is to make the patters look better, and it's also amazing how much precice body control you can have. I didn't mean to say that the pattern isn't done well or anything, I have no reason for that. But I do think there is a reason to freeze during patterns, simply because it is harder and you work out more. not for real fights tho..:)
in fact, a good place to prove my point is in Juche pattern, where you perform a jumping bandae and freeze the kick after 180 degrees and hold it when you land. This is so insanely hard you need to train a LOT, and as a result you get MUCH stronger in the supporting muscles. Again, not saying Master Kin Ung is doing anything "wrong", just observing the differences taught by different Masters
Perhaps I misunderstood - sorry! I thought you meant mid-preparation, like arms crossed before blocking, but your Juche example is at the contact point for the kick. I've seen lots of ITF people stop with legs hanging out. Agree it's extra exercise, but only one of many useful exercises, and as a bad habit for fighting I don't think it belongs in patterns. E.g. rising kick = good stretch, but a pattern says front kick, then do that. Control includes smooth recovery & flow into next move.
@TonesterD i was taught that we cross arms between techniques because you can build up more strength that way, using the "non-active" hand as a counterweight. i don't know if it is practical with all techniques; for example, with Doo Palmok Makgi there is a discussion if the fists should point to eachother in preparation, or both to the back. Apparently one of the latest world champions uses the second while my teacher was teached the first.
Sometimes a crossed preparation adds to rotation (in thrusting techniques like punch; plus inward like knifehand, ridge hand). Sometimes it stops over-rotation, creates stiffness through the body and a sideways shift of body weight (e.g. knife hand strike, back fist, outward block in L stance). For doo palmok makgi (double forearm block), I prepare with both arms pointing backwards - I think it gives stronger shoulder rotation, and all references I have seen teach this way.
i'm doing this pattern for my grading at the end of april, im gonna try to be half as good as he is- he is truly awesome!!!
JazzGirl55 2 years ago
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JazzGirl55 2 years ago
Impresivno veoma jake i ostre kontrakcije. nije dzaba master. Imao sam priliku da me trenira.
Himera00000000000000 3 years ago
Heaven and earth
AJDeakin2 3 years ago
he shouted 'chon-ji' in itf every tul at last movement they always shouted the name of the tul
ArYaKoSaSiHa 3 years ago
He shouted AFTER he punched. I thought you're supposed to shout WHILE you punch?
Piano900 4 years ago
I don't think he was the one that yelled. I couldn't tell though.
ARon10787 4 years ago
you are supposed to breathe out while hitting. after the last technique you are supposed to scream chon ji
Jagarne 3 years ago 2
its sine wave not sound wave my friend
i have trained with both major general choi hong hi 9th degree founder and also his son grand master choi jung wha and neither have ever called it sond wave, sine wave is a relaxed state of the body so every body's interpritation will differ
tkded1 4 years ago
very cool to see a master perform a basic pattern, but there was one thing I noticed: he didn't really "freeze" his arm movements between teqniques, I've learned that one should freeze between each movement long enough for someone to take a camera picture (as an example) of each movement. But then again, I guess it's impossible to make everyone in the world learn EXCACT the same.. :)
TrondC 4 years ago
The "freeze", I think, is a bit of a myth. The tension is supposed to leave the body after each step in the tul and that is impossible with an abrupt freeze.
This execution of the tul is amazing. Truly "textbook".
altroval 4 years ago
If you've "learned" something and can't actually provide a practical reason for it, it's not a good idea to criticise an 8th degree over it. The very suggestion of stopping stiffly mid-technique is patently absurd to me... if you time the backswing properly to be stretching the muscles just before they contract, they'll contract harder. For example, google plyometrics, or think about any other physical activity like swinging an axe or golf club: do you stop your backswing for a while?
TonesterD 2 years ago
I see that this is confusing. what I (and the people I've trained with) learned is that in patterns, you won't do motions like you would in real life. The "freezing" is to make the patters look better, and it's also amazing how much precice body control you can have. I didn't mean to say that the pattern isn't done well or anything, I have no reason for that. But I do think there is a reason to freeze during patterns, simply because it is harder and you work out more. not for real fights tho..:)
TrondC 2 years ago
in fact, a good place to prove my point is in Juche pattern, where you perform a jumping bandae and freeze the kick after 180 degrees and hold it when you land. This is so insanely hard you need to train a LOT, and as a result you get MUCH stronger in the supporting muscles. Again, not saying Master Kin Ung is doing anything "wrong", just observing the differences taught by different Masters
TrondC 2 years ago
Perhaps I misunderstood - sorry! I thought you meant mid-preparation, like arms crossed before blocking, but your Juche example is at the contact point for the kick. I've seen lots of ITF people stop with legs hanging out. Agree it's extra exercise, but only one of many useful exercises, and as a bad habit for fighting I don't think it belongs in patterns. E.g. rising kick = good stretch, but a pattern says front kick, then do that. Control includes smooth recovery & flow into next move.
TonesterD 2 years ago
@TonesterD i was taught that we cross arms between techniques because you can build up more strength that way, using the "non-active" hand as a counterweight. i don't know if it is practical with all techniques; for example, with Doo Palmok Makgi there is a discussion if the fists should point to eachother in preparation, or both to the back. Apparently one of the latest world champions uses the second while my teacher was teached the first.
LuxATemporeNostro 1 year ago
Sometimes a crossed preparation adds to rotation (in thrusting techniques like punch; plus inward like knifehand, ridge hand). Sometimes it stops over-rotation, creates stiffness through the body and a sideways shift of body weight (e.g. knife hand strike, back fist, outward block in L stance). For doo palmok makgi (double forearm block), I prepare with both arms pointing backwards - I think it gives stronger shoulder rotation, and all references I have seen teach this way.
TonesterD 1 year ago
just attended a seminar in scotland with master kim, he is amazing!!
tkdjkitf 4 years ago
excellent, good flow of energy. good power generated from the hips, i bet the blocks hurt ! ;)
o0dekker0o 4 years ago
Wow, nice!
Powermean 5 years ago
I understand now, that i need more power in my movements...
prinssimeo 5 years ago