it needs to be a living wage so the WORST OFF in our community can live with dignity while working. of course people deserve better than the minimum but that is why it is the MINIMUM NOT THE MAXIMUM. people can earn more than that of course. but as the cost of living goes up, so should the minimum wage. this way, employers can't force people with no other choice to work for next to nothing! employers have responsibilities to protect the rights of their employees!
Part 1 of 2 (b/c of annoying 500 character restriction)
My opinion is that capitalism is a necessary evil to living in a free and democratic country where all citizens are respected and not oppressed. The key to a free society is opposition to the status quo. When you can fearlessly declare that the government is wrong for example. I support raising the minimum wage b/c this makes a positive difference on those people that need our support and assistance the most!
When you talk about everyone having the same amount of wealth, you are talking about negatively affecting the rich. You are taking away the right of people to become richer. Let's act positively and help those that need our help instead of taking away the rights of those that don't need our help. Uncontrolled capitalism is bad but capitalism with assistance to the truly needy is the best we humans can do so far. That's why I am a social democrat! That's just my opinion. :-)!
You are describing charity. Enforcing others to contribute to the cause of your choice is not charity its thievery. My parents grew up on the equivalence of a few pennies a day.Didn't have much, but what they had, they earned.They lived with dignity and not on the taxation of others. Forcing wage earners to be taxed to the point that anyone can work for $10 an hour is immoral, and only suits your particular definition of poverty, which is not poverty at all, but a comparison to the Jones's.
Does that mean: indoor plumbing? electricity? radio? indoor heating? 1 apartment per family? bus-fare? non-used clothing? All luxuries from my parents childhood perspective. There is no such thing as
soft-slavery in a free market, or they would still be barefoot.
Most importantly, where do you think the money from increased minimum wage would come from? The answer: Higher prices for goods + services, downsizing, and/or extracting more labour from existing workers for the same wage.
And guess which citizens would be most affected by those results? The poorest.
You cant get something for nothing by reshuffling costs.
Article 25 - (1) "Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control."
-I know it sounds a little sexist; sorry - but "himself" and "his" refers to both genders.
-My point is we decide as a society what is proper! Proper evolves over time. What is morally just depends on the societal context. We continually improve ourselves. Let's move forward not backwards. :-)!
Where I come from, proper human rights are inalienable and self-evident, they're not a reflection of the most popular or convenient goods and services of the day. So you can envision access to 30 comedy channels becoming a basic human right if enough people vote that it is?
Are we just waiting collectively as a society for the right entrepreneurs to be born whom we can demand our proper lifestyle? You're defining a society of perpetual moochers.
This is not a human right, no matter how official the source, because it begs the question: "At who's expense?" Fundamentally, by what right do you have to demand services from others who are in no way obligated to you? Are they born into your service by virtue of their capabilities?
Article 26 "Everyone has the right to free education..".etc.
The latter articles all contradict the first 4 basic articles. Its a self-contradicting mess introduced 60 years ago.
IMHO, if you want a sustainable society, major but correctable inequities in society must be corrected. This is not about selfless giving to others; this is about ensuring the world is sustainable for humanity including yourself. It's not about demanding services from others; we as a society that works together are the ones that decide everything. They are not forced on us. We help decide what is good and what is moral.
You could have convinced me by actually replying to any of my very specific criticisms above, instead of just negating and/or introducing more ill-defined notions. I appreciate your efforts as they are based on a desire for ethics, but I find the public support of coercive majorities and relativistic morals dangerously evil at its core and one which has decimated many socieities in the last century and even continuing today.
You want to increase the minimum wage to $10 an hour across Canada, right? Why don't the NDP governments in Saskatchewan and Manitoba lead the way? Why can't Saskatchewan and Manitoba raise their minimum wage to $10 first?
= More government budget spending in transfers (employment insurance, etc)
= Lower demand for workers
= Less opportunity for less skilled workers (making them unemployed)
= Less incentive to invest domestically
Minimum wage should raise to offset inflation to cover the basic increases in prices of goods and services. It's not as simple as it sounds, and will cause more damage than benefits.
Closing the income gap? So you would ban people from being richer than other people? Would you ban someone from making more friends than others too? You cant stop someone from being more productive than someone else, thats immoral.
Organize your workplace since its legalized exploitation
for minimum wage slavery! UFCW.CA or OPSU.CA
FidelCastro128 7 months ago
If anything, minimum wages should be cut in half.
TheTruthHurtsYou 3 years ago
Paul McKeever has a plan to abolish minimum wage, so poor people will work for less.
PMFreedomParty 3 years ago
How about we make the minumum wage $50???
scottferrie 4 years ago
the minimum wage should be a living wage! not some random amount you like.
OneWorldOneLife 4 years ago
What is wrong with a %50 MW and why does it need to be a living wage. Should we give this people a better standard of living?
scottferrie 4 years ago
it needs to be a living wage so the WORST OFF in our community can live with dignity while working. of course people deserve better than the minimum but that is why it is the MINIMUM NOT THE MAXIMUM. people can earn more than that of course. but as the cost of living goes up, so should the minimum wage. this way, employers can't force people with no other choice to work for next to nothing! employers have responsibilities to protect the rights of their employees!
OneWorldOneLife 4 years ago
How about we have a universal wage. How about we evenly distribute all the wealth evenly?
scottferrie 4 years ago
if you work at least 40 hours a week, you should not live in poverty!
OneWorldOneLife 4 years ago
Everybody should have the same amount of wealth
scottferrie 4 years ago
Part 1 of 2 (b/c of annoying 500 character restriction)
My opinion is that capitalism is a necessary evil to living in a free and democratic country where all citizens are respected and not oppressed. The key to a free society is opposition to the status quo. When you can fearlessly declare that the government is wrong for example. I support raising the minimum wage b/c this makes a positive difference on those people that need our support and assistance the most!
OneWorldOneLife 4 years ago
Part 2 of 2
When you talk about everyone having the same amount of wealth, you are talking about negatively affecting the rich. You are taking away the right of people to become richer. Let's act positively and help those that need our help instead of taking away the rights of those that don't need our help. Uncontrolled capitalism is bad but capitalism with assistance to the truly needy is the best we humans can do so far. That's why I am a social democrat! That's just my opinion. :-)!
OneWorldOneLife 4 years ago
You are describing charity. Enforcing others to contribute to the cause of your choice is not charity its thievery. My parents grew up on the equivalence of a few pennies a day.Didn't have much, but what they had, they earned.They lived with dignity and not on the taxation of others. Forcing wage earners to be taxed to the point that anyone can work for $10 an hour is immoral, and only suits your particular definition of poverty, which is not poverty at all, but a comparison to the Jones's.
rbairos1 4 years ago
All I'm saying is people who decide to work for a living should be paid properly. Otherwise, it's soft-slavery! This is not about charity!
OneWorldOneLife 4 years ago
You are leaving the term 'properly' undefined.
Does that mean: indoor plumbing? electricity? radio? indoor heating? 1 apartment per family? bus-fare? non-used clothing? All luxuries from my parents childhood perspective. There is no such thing as
soft-slavery in a free market, or they would still be barefoot.
rbairos1 4 years ago
Most importantly, where do you think the money from increased minimum wage would come from? The answer: Higher prices for goods + services, downsizing, and/or extracting more labour from existing workers for the same wage.
And guess which citizens would be most affected by those results? The poorest.
You cant get something for nothing by reshuffling costs.
rbairos1 4 years ago
UN - Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
Article 25 - (1) "Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control."
OneWorldOneLife 4 years ago
-I know it sounds a little sexist; sorry - but "himself" and "his" refers to both genders.
-My point is we decide as a society what is proper! Proper evolves over time. What is morally just depends on the societal context. We continually improve ourselves. Let's move forward not backwards. :-)!
OneWorldOneLife 4 years ago
Where I come from, proper human rights are inalienable and self-evident, they're not a reflection of the most popular or convenient goods and services of the day. So you can envision access to 30 comedy channels becoming a basic human right if enough people vote that it is?
Are we just waiting collectively as a society for the right entrepreneurs to be born whom we can demand our proper lifestyle? You're defining a society of perpetual moochers.
rbairos1 4 years ago
This is not a human right, no matter how official the source, because it begs the question: "At who's expense?" Fundamentally, by what right do you have to demand services from others who are in no way obligated to you? Are they born into your service by virtue of their capabilities?
Article 26 "Everyone has the right to free education..".etc.
The latter articles all contradict the first 4 basic articles. Its a self-contradicting mess introduced 60 years ago.
rbairos1 4 years ago
IMHO, if you want a sustainable society, major but correctable inequities in society must be corrected. This is not about selfless giving to others; this is about ensuring the world is sustainable for humanity including yourself. It's not about demanding services from others; we as a society that works together are the ones that decide everything. They are not forced on us. We help decide what is good and what is moral.
OneWorldOneLife 4 years ago
I'm probably not convincing you but this most likely my last comment; I don't want to be repetitive. Peace my friend. :-)!
OneWorldOneLife 4 years ago
You could have convinced me by actually replying to any of my very specific criticisms above, instead of just negating and/or introducing more ill-defined notions. I appreciate your efforts as they are based on a desire for ethics, but I find the public support of coercive majorities and relativistic morals dangerously evil at its core and one which has decimated many socieities in the last century and even continuing today.
Peace.
Rob.
rbairos1 4 years ago
The Minimum Wage should be abolished...
scottferrie 4 years ago
You want to increase the minimum wage to $10 an hour across Canada, right? Why don't the NDP governments in Saskatchewan and Manitoba lead the way? Why can't Saskatchewan and Manitoba raise their minimum wage to $10 first?
Please let me know. Thanks.
OneWorldOneLife 5 years ago
Larger minimum wage
= Lesser economic development
= More government budget spending in transfers (employment insurance, etc)
= Lower demand for workers
= Less opportunity for less skilled workers (making them unemployed)
= Less incentive to invest domestically
Minimum wage should raise to offset inflation to cover the basic increases in prices of goods and services. It's not as simple as it sounds, and will cause more damage than benefits.
azn2face 5 years ago
A livable minimum wage is essential to closing the income gap. A $10 minimum wage is a basic human right in Ontario.
kingvisser 5 years ago
Closing the income gap? So you would ban people from being richer than other people? Would you ban someone from making more friends than others too? You cant stop someone from being more productive than someone else, thats immoral.
rbairos1 4 years ago