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  • You gotta love how atheists complain about us "forcing" our beliefs on them when we try to share Christ with them and then they turn right around and say we are full of bologna for believing in God and spam christian rock and metal walls on youtube with comments like God doesn't exist or hooray for the big bang theory. like they are not trying to force their beliefs on us...

  • i luve these guys this si my favorite song of theres and i have two of there cds

  • I'm Atheist. And I don't like this song. :3

  • That riff around 2:30 is so AWESOME!!

  • got here from a ''RED'' song, but this band is freakin awesome too! :P

  • 7 PEOPLE R CRAZY

  • god dosent make computers... scientists do .... score one for reality i guess.

  • @DressedInDynamite nuke mm not that good but god is

  • @DressedInDynamite who created this scientists?

  • u know what i find funny?is the fact that most people here debate about God never any religion. debating about if God exists or not doesn't help anything or anybody.It doesn't even help life..not all of us are "to stupid and ignorant to understand anything",in fact that is a screwed up lie. Not all "Christians" are Christian you know but somehow in some strange how non-believers and others think that(not all).

    this is music not a war..take your selfish crap and hatred out of here

  • science is a bunch of athius nerds made up to cancel out god. i looked at my science teacher and asked "u an athius" he said no i said then why are u teaching a bunch of bull crap he said because being a teacher pays good. he had a good point and he siad he don't beleive in any of it.

  • @popgoestheweasel1ful I think your Teacher has done you a great disservice, you cannot even spell correctly.Please stay in school.

  • @1816Ed i like fighting on the commet section too =P

  • Geez... I somehow knew there would be a bunch of rhetoric in the comments. What's the point typing all that? People only believe what they want to belief.

  • @relinquished000271 hmmm first of all, its not like you analysed every other religion in the world so how could you have the audacity to say such things when you cant back them up. that's just rude and disrespectful to others. i'm saying this just because it's the truth and i'm NOT saying this to offend your religion as it is YOUR beliefs. just be considerate to others, please, and their own beliefs.

  • @nadesNspades im sorry that that is how you fell but I know for a fact that my God is real because i've felt the power of the Holy Spirit flow through me....I will pray for you so that maybe you can feel the same way i do.

  • Very good/strong vocals/high energy: it *sizzles*!!

  • @john254rosy Ah you from Bahston?

  • Are you a Disciple?

  • "I won't let my eyes move left to right

    I'll run with all my heart, I'll give it all I got"

    This song is incredible, by far my favorite by Disciple.

  • This is a really good song! Thanks for sharing it with everyone :)

  • @relinquished000271 yeah who does that CRAZY POEPLE!! (he going to awnser demons:|)

  • @relinquished000271 tell me when your familiy dies of a disease and hat god is still awsome

    btw: ever seen an innocent little christian girl get raped, stabbed and thrown into her parents backyard? now tell me... does god really excist?

  • My friend told me that there was a deathmetal band called Disciple o.O that lying bastard o-o

  • Awesome freaking song!!! By the way, this is repeated album isn't it ? I thought Disicple has plenty of albums.

  • @relinquished000271 Thats a very good view, but the way I see it is that other religions focus more on themselves and how they can get themselves to heaven. Whereas Christianity focuses on Christ's work, and what He did for us, and us relizing we need Him for salvaition.

  • @relinquished000271 stfu there is no god, your going to die and shit is blank. there is no afterlife. God/jesus completely illogical....sory

  • um dude every religion on this earth has ppl who witnessed a NDE and basically saw the same things.if u say that only God/Jesus doesn't exist u kinda need proof?if u don't have proof u have faith.u said that only God/Jesus doesn't exist only refering 2 just them so in other words u do know God exist

    as my friend said we r all connected..even scientists can't disprove wat ppl who had a NDE saw.but if u don't wanna believe in God don't demand proof.idrc wat u believe.dosn't matter 2 me

  • @foshitty

    Yes God is illogical, like the faith and lots ot things in that universe. If you cant belive that Jesus died for You thats your problem. But this is the truth! Yea may we'll die, but we have afterlife and we'll live for ever coz God promise us: "For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." (Romans 10:11)

  • @atsutane23 you mean "some guy whose corpse became worm food a long ass time ago wrote some bullshit in a book"

    lol fucking christians are stubborn and stupid

  • @nadesNspades

    Man! You are hopeless... Im sorry

  • @nadesNspades Jesus didn't write the bible. His followers did. and He didnt become worm food. He rose from the dead after He died for you. The king of kings became a man and was basically tortured and killed all so He could save you. If you don't believe it your the one who's stubborn and stupid. I know for a fact that our God is real. Hopefully you find that out soon. Why are you so against Christians/Jesus?

  • @TheChristfollower lol "I know for a fact that our God is real." all christians say that shit, but none of you have ever seen him before, because he's not there. you're a dumb, ignorant retard. science created the universe, science will end it. not some stupid apocalypse bullshit. hopefully you soon find out how retarded you all sound.

  • @nadesNspades Not all Christians say that. and no ive never seen him before but ive felt his presence. I cant prove it to you its proof for me. and your the one who sounds retarded saying that all of us, the world, the universe, that earth is on the perfect angle to the sun so we can exist, and all of the complex atoms and stuff work together perfectly to make the different creatures and plants and us all happened by chance.

  • @TheChristfollower Right on dude.

  • @nadesNspades dude, youre the one sounding stupid. Science itself is betraying you because it proves that The Almighty Alpha and Omega God does exsist. And for your sake, i hope you can come to that realization and accept him as your personal savior. Because if not, your eternal home will be the lake of fire after the tribulation here on earth. But bless his Holy Name, i will not be here because his blood that was shed on cavalry has bought me only he owns me. "Dear X, You Don't Own Me"

  • @ttdml54 LOL that was the most retarded thing i've ever heard. go get more brainwashed bible humper

  • @nadesNspades man stop listenen to this music just to rag on it and us just leave christians alone and we will leave you alone

  • @nadesNspades dude youre so freaking retarded im sorry but there is just no hope for people like you. have fun in hell

  • @ttdml54 have fun rotting in the ground with the worms because that's where you're gonna be, just like everybody else. open your eyes, i'd swear all you guys are retarded

  • @nadesNspades i wont be rotting with the worms youre the one thats gonna be in the lake of fire a bottomless pit of eternal torture and youre the one thats gonna have the worms eating at you not a single thing is gonna happen to me because i have accepted the Lord and saviour Jesus Christ as My own personal saviour

  • @ttdml54 HAHAHAAHAAHAH wow ... psycho

  • @DressedInDynamite dude if your here just to rag on people who believe this, just stop youre not gonna get anywhere with it

  • @ttdml54 EXACTLY how i feel when crazy religious fanatics say i should belive in imaginary beings.

  • @DressedInDynamite im not trying to impress my beliefs on you but itd be greatly appreciated if you didnt try to make others doubt their own beliefs

  • @nadesNspades Lies. I will not be rotting with worms or at least my soul won't. May God have mercy and grant you the ability to see Christ.

  • @nadesNspades i pray that one day you will sense god and feel his presence and know that he is real. I also want to ask you to prove me wrong and research all you can because you dont believe in god. All before have failed to prove god wrong and have converted to christians, THERE IS EVIDENCE AND JESUS WILL COME TO EARTH AGAIN!

  • @KTMhammerdown

    I wish everyone who tried to prove God wrong converted to Christianity, but many despite knowing the truth turn away, refusing to humble themselves because they want to be their own "god" and do as they please

  • @nadesNspades if science created it how come science cant copy it after all they saposily know how to make it why dont they?? oh waitt they did it didnt work cause its a bunch of bull crap

  • amazing song

  • plan on seeing DISCIPLE For the first time I CAN NOT WAIT

  • @Rockin4KingJesus It will be worth it all.

  • @evangelist777 No problem. : )

  • Love it, really <3

  • !GNOS SIHT EVOL I I LOVE THIS SONG!

  • @mattmotocross

    they sing this? rlly? dood WHERE IS UR CHURCH I WANNA COME! plz

  • my church sings this song all the time

  • @mattmotocross

    Really? I want to go to your Church! Where is it?

  • ¡sʞɔoɹ ǝldıɔsıp-disciple rocks!

  • It will be worth it all!

  • hey dude the album isnt called "Rise Up" it's just called Disciple i got the CD

    thanks for putting this song up

  • @ClarckDick Yeah, well.. I think somehow it's under 2 names. I also got the CD and mine is called Rise Up.

  • alot of Disciple songs or on multiple cds

  • @anesthetize7 maybe a europe and us version? just saying

  • @anesthetize7 Disciple always seems to do wierd stuff with their albums, don't they?

  • it is worth it all

  • it'z worth it all

  • fucken sweet, i love it

  • And God is mercy and forgives us... men of other religions may live in every day fear.

  • my favorite disciple song ever

  • Nicely said

  • cool

  • Going to see Disciple in concert tomorrow at Rock The Fort tomorrow at Fort Leonard Wood. Heck yea!

  • I'm going to see them in about 2 weeks @ Christmas Rock Night!

  • 3 weeks ago u posted this comment.

    so how was the concert?

    I love this band really much, ownage songs.

    this rise up song, made me rise up too listen to this one! :D

  • i saw Disciple at Awakeningfest. AWESOME!

  • SHUT UP! Both of you

    Seriously why are you guys arguing on someones video

    Do that in PM's or something

    Geeze

  • Here here!!!

  • pms med's ftw

  • @1816Ed Lol gf

  • @1816Ed but I like fighting on the comments section of youtube videos lololloloollololololololololol­olololololololololololololollo­lolololololol

  • I love this song...and like every other Disciple song.

  • This argument makes me want to masturbate. Oooho yeaaaah.

  • Thank goodness that science has a cure for everything........right?

  • Science knows it doens't know everything otherwise it would stop. Are you claiming to know more?

  • Are you claiming you know more?

  • Nope. Human knowledge is tenative and limited to empiracle evidence.

    I don't need to know everything to know something isn't true. Nor do I need to know everything to know anything. What I freely admit that I don't know is how is it that the supernatural is anything at all.

    That is to say, I have every reason to doubt the supernatural because the invisible is indistinguishable form the non-existent, as there s no evidence for it.

  • Don't you wish there was a law to kill stupid people? I wish for such things too.

  • [Stops Two Face killing Batman]

    The Riddler: Don't kill him! If you kill him, he won't learn nothin'!

  • Again the fundamental question for me, is how would anything supernatural even be possible that I should take it seriously and distinguish it from magic or mythology?

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  • Look the supernatural is what people choose to believe in, so if you fight with people and say they are wrong to think it then all you're doing is trying to force your opinion on them. Just stop fighting about it and let people have their own opinion...

  • Is teaching people one plus one is two "forcing my opinion" on them? The supernatural is mythological nonsense. That's just a fact.

    Stop pretending that all ideas are equally valid simply because the concept occurs. BIGFOOT isn't a valid idea, neither are deities.

    Faith in the supernatural is simply wishful thinking.

  • Ok dude seriously just shut up. Let people think what they want you are being very childish in the matter where people have a right to believe and think what they want.

  • HYPOCRACY: "seriously just shut up. Let people think what they want" Ah, so free speech is one way with you. Very well.

    I'm not infringing on anyone right to think or believe as they wish. I just don't pretend that simply because you CAN believe or think anything that it's equally valid as something which has evidence to support it.

    I'd argue believing in mythological superstitions is what is truly childish.

    I AGREE "It's worth it all if I can just see you, feel you." Pity the irony is lost

  • It isn't childish you are just so blinded by what is written in science text books an quotes from them you can't open your mind to the truly phenomenal possibility that maybe some things just can't be explained so just go read your books and believe what you want and stay completely oblivious to possibility.

  • A mind open to what? Thigns for which there isn't any evidence?

    So just because science doens't know everything, means it's fine to fill in the gaps with whatever inexplicable fairytale I wish?

    "truely phenomenal possibility"? HOW is anything supernatural possible?

    Oh you can't explain it, so how do you know it's truly phenomenal? I think Egyptian mythology is truly phenomenal.

    Possible? HOw so?

  • seriously just shut up and go read some books. You just can't stand knowing other people could be right. it's dumb asses like you that have gotten me to stop believing in things cause you are such an idiot. You should just shut up and go back to your books.

  • Seriously how could anything supernatural POSSIBLY be true? You just can't explain it can you?

    You just can't stand the profound IRONY of a song asking to see or feel something which by definition is invisible and intangible and most likely imaginary.

    Instead you cry about how "stupid idiots read books".

    LOL

  • Some things just aren't meant to be explained. Just because science can't explain it doesn't mean its not real. Maybe if you really understood things you would know that. Like seriously there is no reason why you are alive so what are you gonna do about that? Not believe in yourself cause theres no proof?

  • "Not meant to be explained"? Sound lsike you mean you are UNABLE to explain.

    Surely there is a vast difference between being "UNABLE" to explain something and not being "MEANT TO".

    You certainly don't seem to be able to sort the difference, little brother.

    Reason for being alive? Do you mean reasons for my parents wanting children, or self-confidence in my aspirations and abilities?

    What does self-confidence have anything to do with ther ebeing no evidence of anything sueprnatural?

  • Seems to me that either way, if something is UNABLE or NOT MEANT to be explained, then it i equally UNABLE or NOT MEANT to be believed.

    Presented without evidence, dismissed without evidence. Simple.

  • Well I guess that means you are not meant to be alive. So you are just one big mistake in the universe huh? Well sucks to be you doesn't it? Since your only friends seem to be science books.

  • There you go guessing again...

    No my parents planned on having a child, and so it was their intention that I be born.

    You evidently arrogantly seem to think the universe revolvs around human life and can't tell the difference between inherant and intrinsic purpose.

    You don't understand that being alive means being PART of the cause and effect of a natural universe, not the focus of it.

    I have quite a few close friends, actually. I don't need an imaginary one. Why do you?

  • Also I don't think your parents planned you as a child they planned a nice kid. But instead they got a dumb ass lol You were a mistake. lol

  • Instead you cry because people ridicule you for having an imaginary friend.

    Oh, those "stupid lonely idiots" reading their science books!

  • I don't have to cry I don't have imaginary friends lol I have way more than you could ever have. You have maybe about 1 i'm guessing. No one likes a smart ass like yourself lol. Just deal with the fact you are a loser who can't stop fighting until he gets his own way because you were spoiled as a child. Unless you still are a child lmfao.

  • There you go guessing again.

  • And there you go being an ass again. Just shut up and stop commenting on this video seriously. Just go away if all you wanna do is ridicule what people want to think.

  • Shut up and stop commenting? Ah censorship, the last refuge of the despot.

    Why should I remain silent?

    It's not MY fault you can't explain any of the supernatural superstitions you adhere to.

    And I don't ridicule people for what they THINK. Thinking people require reason and explination, not faith and superstition.

    I ridicule people for the ridiculous superstitions hey BELIEVE. Something else you evidently can't sort the difference on.

  • There you go hypothesizing again. lmao! =p

  • Better to have a hypothesis than a mythological superstition. LOL

  • I KNOW! LAWL!

    I'll be honest, don't care about the mythological and the scientific stuff.

    History is where its at baby! But really, I think you should give some credit to mythological superstition, if it wasn't for the fear of everything needs to be explained we wouldn't have something as cool as technology and science. Alchemy comes into mind.

    Sooooo, wanna cyber?

  • Oh I give credence that religion and our susceptibility towards ANY answer in the fear of no answer at all as a natural phenomenon allowing us to move onto more pressing issues of modernity and survival.

    However I view such imaginary constructs as something like an exploding appendix which is not only redundant, but dangerously unnecessary.

  • Now, lets get to the real fun!

    Would you like to kill such people? Would you like to be free of such things...?

    It IS possible after all. All you have to do is just give the word. Would you like to see these people dead? There are those that will help you.

    Also, what is your thoughts on Scientology?

  • Oh I do wish to see the world changed for the better, but why would I kill people to do that? If you kill peolpe, then they won't learn nothin'.

    Honestly, go feed yur sick persicution complex with someone else you sado-masochist.

    Who cares about scientology?

    Stop trying to scapegoat the inherant flaws of another psychotic mythology to distract from the topic at hand.

  • Religion, Science....Scientology! =D Come on now, don't run away from the topic, I honestly view you as a very intelligent person, not counting the parts where you faltered at spelling, but who's counting right?

    Now we all know, or at least intelligent people in your view know that Evolution is true. Why could we want to dirty the human race with people that don't want to learn?

    You and I both know the eradication and murder of such people is the only..and I repeat ONLY course of action =)

  • So.. you think science and scientology ...are the same thing??

    Why would I want to kill people simply because they fail at biology??

    Do you think we should kill people who fail at physics too? Or what if you can't paint?

    You're not making any sense. Education is the best solution. What's with the "final solution" bullshit?

  • maybe, maybe not, perhaps the poor children of religion are being fooled by dirtying science?

    Its not bullshit, its final. The end of everything. There is death for a belief like the islamics and there is death for knowledge, like the nazi and the jews, of course, do you really believe in that Holocaust stuff? Well, you gotta, I mean, what kind of breakthroughs would we have without the extinguishing of the poor people with make believe friends right?

  • I'm sorry you think science somehow justifies murder. You're insane.

  • As long as it's for science, the ends justifies the means.

    Sanity.....for the weak my dear boy

  • No the ends do not justify the means. That is your fallacy.

    Science does not preconclude the ends.

    In truth the means produce the ends.

    Without sanity you cannot properly evaluate. You seem criminally insane.

  • (part2)

    Of course we shouldn't kill those that fail at physics, they are learning people, people that can be spread out and assimilated to learn more in the name of science, but religion? You are right good sir. We must exterminate them.

    I mean, its not like you and I are going to miss a few fanatics anyway, correct? We would be doing them a favor by adding them in the equation of a glorious advancement in science!

    They would not die as the religious fools that you and I know, but as ...

  • What is all of this"you and I" and "we" bullshit? Stop projecting your psychological illness onto me.

    Science dones't somehow magically justify exterminating humans. If you think so, you're insane. Seek therapy.

  • You and I are in the same boat whether you like it or not, you and I are brothers in search of TRUE KNOWLEDGE!

    Why do you hide in the shadows, you're no better than the weaklings that believe in some "god". Open your eyes fool!

  • No, if youhad any intelligence at all you'd realize there's no such thing as "TRUE KNOWLEDGE".

    Knowledge iby definition is TENTATIVE and dependant on the observed facts.

    If you can't comprehend imperfection and come to terms with uncertainty you're insane.

  • You can only say that because you hold yourself back.

    REMOVE those that bind you down! There's still a chance!

    All you have to do....is kill them....all of them, all that stand in front of you!

    You know it to be true! LOLOLOLOLOL

  • No I can say that because killing humans is immoral.

    Murder is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, and thus it is a poor chioce, and totally short-sighted.

    Ape shall never harm ape. To harm one is to harm all.

    You have anger issues you need to work through Dark Vader. Perhaps you didn't get hugged as a child?

  • apes apes apes, are you in bestiality child? I can promise you that when the day comes I can prove you with as much animals as you desire.

    But you, you have potential! Why would you lower yourself to mere knuckle draggers?

  • Beastiality? Lower myself? All humans are apes, not all apes are human. I stick to my own species, thank you very much. Learn what words mean, you ignorant arrogant prick.

    Knuckle draggers?

    Bipedalism is a form of terrestrial locomotion where an organism moves by means of its two rear limbs, or legs. Knickle dragging is optional.

    Again, learn what words mean.

  • participates for a greater good. A greater good for mankind. For knowledge!!

    Don't deny such a thing, the thirst for knowledge is the only thing that matters!!

    Come with me Entinlude and take my hand, together you and I will shape this world and bring it onto its knees! We will show what a REAL GOD is like!

    Oh....wait a second....

  • You'd kill people for knowledge? How absurd. Sorry ape shall never harm ape. To harm one is to harm all.

    Enjoy being so ignorant you feel the need to demonize knowledge itself. I can't imagine how damaged your psychology is.

  • Stop being such a bleeding heart my boy, you're actually trying to defend these people? If you wish to stay as some dirty ape, so be it. Such a utopia that comes soon ill needs a weakling such as you.

  • They're PEOPLE. You don't kill people simply for being superstitous and ignorant. you don't kill people PERIOD.

    ape shall never harm ape.

    Perfection is unatainable.

    Utopianism is for gullible nieve fools.

    A pipe-dream no better than their magical heaven.  Way to miss the point, genius.

    Grow up.

  • Perhaps you need to grow the fuck up fool, how can defend the same people you bash on?

    You know what you remind me of? A christian, the perfect hypocritical american christian.

    Utopias are quite possible, just bleeders like you that get in the way.

    Perhaps one day, you will realize your errors, although I can only foresee that you will realize this when you're laid upon a warm and bloodied lab table for the good for a more perfect race.

  • Because bashing someones ideology and killing peopel are two seperate things. Evidently you can't appreciate CONTEXT. You're psychotic.

    Changes are impermanent, but change is permanent. So please, spare me your subjective definitions of "perfection".

    The ideals or principles of a utopian anything are idealistic and impractical.

    Nothing in the universe is perfect, not even pi.

    You're either ignorant or arrogant. Perhaps both. Grow up yourself, brother.

    Seek therapy.

  • "It's worth it all If I can just see"

    Pity that the supernatural is a MYTH.

    This entire song is DRIPPING with irony.

  • Oraokardia same here

  • LOVE this! Probably my fave song by them.

  • my have song by diciple is RISE UP!

  • truth without love is a catastrophe, and 'love' without truth is just as much. So many christians, or 'christians', need to learn that and apply it. If you've got something kind to say but its a lie, don't say it.. as much as if you have something true to say in an unkind way then don't say it.

  • Belief without evidence is the height of foolisheness. Truely it cannot be more foolish than to hear a claim, find no evidence, and believe it anyway. Like mindless children.

  • I agree, but I don't have evidence I can show you more than the simple faith it takes for you and me to believe our discussion is genuine of what we really believe. I can tell you times in my life, many times I was in need, I prayed and was helped.. It happens everyday- I'm sure you would call them all coincidences but for so long- I don't believe that they are coincidences, I see it as God speaking to me through events, good & bad times, people, simple things, nature. That is my evidence.

  • Not everyday am I helped, or my prayers answered the way I thought they;d be (God is not our puppet. He gives three answers to prayer, Yes- No or Not Yet and then acts on them), but everyday I was reffering to that I see God interacting with me in life. If I believed and had never any interaction, that would be an absolute height of foolishness. Why not throw in ganesh in too, if I had no interaction with God then how would I know?

  • Simple things, like this time. I picked a scab and was bleeding, I wiped it atleast 20 times with my shirt and put Alot of pressure on it and it kept bleeding and just as fast. I didn't look at it while doing so but I wiped it one last time, it was hard to tell by feeling if it was still bleeding or not, then I prayed this, "I don't want any sympathy or distraction from people in class (it was at school) nor to go to the nurse's, please heal me if what i'm asking is right and your will"..

  • I looked back, and it was dry, and didn't bleed.. and I didn't wipe it again the whole day nor ever since then in my life. This all took place in one minute. You may call this a coincidence, but I see it as Jesus heals and he heard my prayer and healed my scab.

    I have more examples on my mind, i'd love to share them if you want me to; even daily.

    But the truth is, I have had interactions with God, it is not the height of foolishness.

  • Sorry but personal testimonies of miracles and interactions with deities are claimed by EVERY religious faith,why should I believe yours!? Just like theirs you have no evidence.

    Faith is to believe without evidence. Gullibility is to believe a claim before sufficient evidence. It doesn' t get more gullible than no evidence whatsoever. FAITH is the height of gullibility.

  • i'm done. i'm sick of arguing, and i must admit...if there's anyone who actually would argue w/ a brick wall, it's you. i'm not going to tell you you're wrong anymore, but i've spent enough time arguing w/ the definition of ignorance and foolishnes. i'm sorry i can't help you, but you will continue to be prayed for. have a nice life...hopefully you'll realize someday how much he really does love you, even though you've verbally slapped him the face time and time again.

  • Verbally slapped by someone who doesn't know the difference between gullibility and faith in supernatural magical things without evidence? ? You're Hilarious.

    Praying is no better than wishing really hard, so you keep pretending that's actually going to accomplish something and somehow show me how your imaginary friend loves me, lmao.

    Help yourself and get a clue. all deities are superstitious nonsense, including yours and you know full well you cna't prove otherwise. How pathetic.

  • Why should I believe your claims are genuine without evidence? That would be gullibility by definition.

  • or faith...

  • look around you. thiz iz our evidence.

  • So your entire argument is "look around, it's obvious"

    If it was obvious you could explain it, clearly you cannot.

    I look around me and I see a lot of evidence of nature. Evidence of nature isn't evidence of the supernatural.

    Evidently you can't tell the difference between magic and reality.

  • You idiot. You had 2 change my comment so you could argue.

    piece of advice:

    Quit being so full of yourself.

    btw, doing magic and all that crud is against my religion.

    LEARN ABOUT WHAT YOU DISLIKE BEFORE GOING AROUND ARGUING ABOUT IT.

    Don't reply.

    I don't have time for your type.

  • I'm not full of myself nor did I CHANGE your argument, i rephrased it. You're arguing semantics because you have no real argument.

    To simply claim "the evidence for the is all around me", is to assume how obvious it is without explaining your case. Which of course you can't because it's not based on evidence.

    Actually I do know what I'm talking about, I'm a former minister. There is no difference between supernatural deities and magic.

    ALL CAPS DON'T MAKE YOUR POINTS MORE VALID.

  • owned son

  • So here's the real issue EntinludeX,

    If you're right about God not being real than niether of us have anything to worry about, right?

    But if Christ is truely real and everything He did was true, then only you have something to worry about. That is a pretty risky bet if you ask me.

    The Bible is all the evidence you need. If you think that it's foolish to believe in God merely because we can't see Him, I would ask you, "Do you believe that wind exists?" You can't see it.

  • If any other deity exists we're both screwed and if no deities exist you're wasting your life and sanity dedicating yourself to your imaginary friend. Pascal's wager is a total joke.

    It's not risky at all. Learn something about probabilities then try to calculate the odds of supernatural magic. I'll wait...

  • The Bible doesn't validate supernatural authority, it just CLAIMS it. Like 100's of religious text i human history.

    You do know the wind is just gas moving, and it gas isn't REMOTELY invisible, right? LOL

  • yes i belive in praying...and in the power of jesus christ...i cant exsplain lots of things ...but i have faith...things of god that you just dont understand right now ...but i PRAY you will...and the lord will reveal himself to you my friend

  • Right. you believe in the power of wishful thinking, and the supernatural magic.

    You can't explain things you believe in them without evidence(faith)

    Ah I don't understand the supernatural, but YOU do....you just can't EXPLAIN it...and I should just believe you. Riiiiight. LOL

    Keep wishing your magical being will magically reveal himself.

    I'll keep thinking you're no different than a bronze age tribesman worshiping his ancestor spirits or some other similar nonsense. You don't get the irony.

  • Try praying to God, tell him your doubts, ask him to reveal himself.. be real and serious about it, be persistant and seeking long enough and you Will find Him. Do people generally get mad at a product they havn't tried before, no matter what it claims it can do and what people testify it has done?- Is it logical too? No. God is claimed to be infinite in love and grace; wide open arms that won't reject anyone their chance to come to know him & have a relationship with him forever.

  • Before you've tried him, and really seek to know Him, it is biblical that he will let himself be found no matter what anyone has ever done in the past nor their doubts nor what they've said... at the cross God forgave everyone's sins if they will have faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

  • Yes well it's also "biblical" that every other deity ever created by man makes themselves available to those who genuinely seek them out too. Should I pray to them as well?

    "Iti s written" is a poor excuse for credulity.

    What's more I've yet to hear why anything supernatural exists, why I should believe forgiveness required a deity making a blood sacrifice of himself, or why any of this requires my submittable to magical authority.