The 'original' is an eagle, whilst this one looks to be a canary or parakeet. I see a vague comparison, but I'm not wild about the 'bird head' concept in either vid...but considering it's BIRDS of Tokyo, I guess it'll do....
@Pengi67676 I think it's just representative of the fact that the man/bird doesn't fit in right. They probably just used a bird as the symbol because of their band name.
bahahaha the discussion here is just funny!! the video clip from the brazilian band is nothing like this one and in any even this one is better made!!!! lol The band is called BIRDS of Tokyo for god's sake!!!! I don't care one bit about the video clip, the song is AWESOME!
does anyone know for sure it's a rip off or a coincidence cause they're both just people walking around with bird masks on, is it impossible that 2 people have the same simple idea?
Does anyone know what the "original" music video's song meaning is? (EDC - Pássaros) Is it in Portugese or something? For me, the BOT version fits in perfectly with the actual meaning of the song.
@DirkK81 "Pássaros" means "Birds". This is the literal translation: "During the sleep only the heart is awake/ Old feathers back to the memories/ And I walk/ During the banquet, uninvited/ My nature is so gross/ As children we chase free birds/ free// (speach:) 'I wander alone the blue loneliness. I choose colors to erase its remains. The seed only blooms after visiting the dark depths' As children chase free birds."
So, if you're still having doubts about the plagiarism thing, I think you must stop watching Gay porn and start having some art classes before you start talking shit.
P.S.: EDC guys are huge fans of BOT, so am I. It's just a creativity question.
@littlelionkind Of course that you do NOT know anything about art, concept, etc. But there are many things you should know about all this plagiarism stuff we're talking about:
First of all, EDC planned and recorded their video at least, one yr ago.
Second, their video was released all around the world.
Third, Josh Meney has contacted EDC to commend da video. Just so you know, Josh is a close friend of Karnivool's guys.
SHAMEFUL!!! This video idea is not yours! It´s a copy of EDC´s band video - Passaros. Where´re the credits? Who wrote the screenplay? Who is the director?
What a shame. I hope you guys be honest enough to NOT disable the comments. Replace the URL content after the "watch?" for this: v=dUNIF3sw-Bo. Shame on you, suckers.
Copy the idea from another band is ugly ... The band EDC of Brazil madehis clip before and someone stole the idea from you! What could be good you have ruined. Regrettable.
Ripping-off ideas is not art at all. For those who want to watch the concept they ripped off, just replace the URL content after the "watch?" for this: v=dUNIF3sw-Bo
@rodr1gosm1le You must remember that the film clip could have been the idea of some radical director / producer who yes has stolen the idea you linked, but this does not neccessitate that the band was responsible, or detract from their musical talent.
So you're positive it's a straight out rip-off of another video clip? 2 bands/2 folks walking around with a bird mask on their heads, in this Birds version, it makes sense for the song. I'm not too sure on a translation for the other video here, but I'm sure it represents some value toward that song. Who gives a rats whether it is SIMILAR, move on.
@rodr1gosm1le Hmm I saw the vid of that other band (not sure which language they're singing in), but I just want to say that I loved that track, so thanks for hooking me up! I mean, this tune is great, but I actually preferred the eagle one!
Budgies are kept in cages alone and can't fly free. The cage for this budgie is the world around him and he can't fly free because he is trapped by lonliness and is just trying to fill his day to escape frustration.
One of those 'indie/alternative' rock bands that somehow attract a label that hints at interesting, different music (having a weird name helps ie Death Cab for Cutie), while actually their music is incredibly predictable and bring, and any emotion falls flat because of it. Try Bon Iver, Sufjan Stevens, Joanna Newsom, The National... THAT is music. Or The Beatles, who will always be the best.
@wytstriped You're one of those music snobs that make me want to vomit on principle. Seriously, do you have nothing better to do than to preach about what is "real music"? I bet you've never listened to a Birds of Tokyo song before. If you love those other bands so much, piss off and listen to them, you're sure as hell not wanted here.
@xDANxBlAcKrOsE I think you'll find it would have been outta the Birds hands....songs can only be a certain length for radio/video play...to get this played they would have had to cut the time a little...it sucks
@xDANxBlAcKrOsE I think you'll find it would have been outta the Birds hands....songs can only be a certain length for radio/video play...to get this played they would have had to cut the time a little...it sucks, but don't blame the boys
Can't you just tell that Ian came up this idea. :) I love it though. The false cetto in the chorus starts to sounds almost bird-like with the visual aid.
This is amazing. The video is not confusing. The song is about repetition, frustration, anger, doing the same thing day after day after day and not knowing what to do. The bird is a metaphor for someone that is out of place and who doesn't fit in the hectic world we live in.
@MusicalAndTall Not only that but almost all the shots that are taken in this signify loneliness. And emptyness within nearly all of us. Your interpretation is pretty much exactly the same to mine. This song/video screams out "trying to break free" from the mold that we live in.
I assume this is just a normal sight in Australia.
TheDobligator 3 weeks ago 4
@TheDobligator Lol
Kerfuffleinahussle 3 weeks ago
@TheDobligator Looks like Vegas ;)
landspide 2 weeks ago
Fuck this is a weird video haha
MrSenda360 1 month ago
This song was a song on Home and Away. it so matches it.
SuperFunky73 1 month ago
holy shit i love this song
scs428 1 month ago
Poor Birdie! :'c
xSumonax 1 month ago
I love Ian's voice, Karnivool is awesome also.
Teskue 1 month ago
my question is how the fuck did the bird man get a shirt on
jackstar39990 2 months ago 5
I made me sad
TheMbake129 3 months ago
Have been listening only this song for last 2 days. I feel horrible,mentally. (>_<)
But not because of the song.
Mohkiainen 3 months ago
whack video, good song though...
gpljk 3 months ago
call me crazy but it could have been a form of inspiration as i highly doubt a video with a birdman is their career defining moment.
TaintMcNubs 3 months ago 2
The 'original' is an eagle, whilst this one looks to be a canary or parakeet. I see a vague comparison, but I'm not wild about the 'bird head' concept in either vid...but considering it's BIRDS of Tokyo, I guess it'll do....
YorksOwn 3 months ago
The bird thing is kinda creepy
Nato6451 4 months ago
Or should I just give in?
I don't know..
DAW384 4 months ago
@DAW384 Uuuuuugh shut up...
Kerfuffleinahussle 3 months ago
@Kerfuffleinahussle Fuck off.
DAW384 3 months ago
it made me sad for the bird, it isn't fair that just cause he's different he should be lonely. I wanted him to find a friend or something at the end.
Being different isn't a bad thing, I would prefer to be me and be alone. Differences made us unique. You were born an individual, don't die a copy.
"You laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at you cause you're all the same" - Lady GaGa
SiobhanCook07 4 months ago 2
@SiobhanCook07 I agree. :c
... though GaGa's a creep. ';f
xSumonax 1 month ago
why is he a bird? i dont understand.
Pengi67676 4 months ago
@Pengi67676 I think it's just representative of the fact that the man/bird doesn't fit in right. They probably just used a bird as the symbol because of their band name.
Kerfuffleinahussle 4 months ago
@Kerfuffleinahussle ok! thnx for letting me know!
Pengi67676 4 months ago
bahahaha the discussion here is just funny!! the video clip from the brazilian band is nothing like this one and in any even this one is better made!!!! lol The band is called BIRDS of Tokyo for god's sake!!!! I don't care one bit about the video clip, the song is AWESOME!
mrswebbaus 5 months ago
Omg. There are multiple music videos featuring bird costumes.
This is an outrage.
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Kerfuffleinahussle 5 months ago 5
2009. 02. 12. Steven Wilson + Lasse Hoile:
v=BClzBQmZZBc
Look, there's the bird headed man.
bankobalint 5 months ago
Who cares about the film clip this is one hell of a Aussie band BOT and Karnivool yeah
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Beautiful song.
DAW384 5 months ago
There is NO "parthenogenesis" in art.
meddle21 5 months ago
does anyone know for sure it's a rip off or a coincidence cause they're both just people walking around with bird masks on, is it impossible that 2 people have the same simple idea?
GSratm 5 months ago 23
@GSratm yes it is, because the tone system has got 12 notes anyways. impossible to find same notes in various bands' songs.
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progressiphiLe 3 months ago
Get a fucking life you dont have to listen to it if you dont like it, im sure no one is loosing sleep over it your not a music critic cock head.
emmettrock76 5 months ago 2
Does anyone know what the "original" music video's song meaning is? (EDC - Pássaros) Is it in Portugese or something? For me, the BOT version fits in perfectly with the actual meaning of the song.
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@DirkK81 "Pássaros" means "Birds". This is the literal translation: "During the sleep only the heart is awake/ Old feathers back to the memories/ And I walk/ During the banquet, uninvited/ My nature is so gross/ As children we chase free birds/ free// (speach:) 'I wander alone the blue loneliness. I choose colors to erase its remains. The seed only blooms after visiting the dark depths' As children chase free birds."
jacklopezz 5 months ago
good, but is no original idea, original ideia is: /watch?v=dUNIF3sw-Bo
EDC - Pássaros
jeffyn 6 months ago
i luv this song keep listening to it over again and again :)
Hop3l3ssDr3am3rs 6 months ago
@littlelionkid - Continuing (yeah, I've mistaken your shitname - sorry - nickname):
So, if you're still having doubts about the plagiarism thing, I think you must stop watching Gay porn and start having some art classes before you start talking shit.
P.S.: EDC guys are huge fans of BOT, so am I. It's just a creativity question.
LONG LIVE FOR THE BIRDS. hahahahahahhahahaa
Murdokthesad 6 months ago
@littlelionkind Of course that you do NOT know anything about art, concept, etc. But there are many things you should know about all this plagiarism stuff we're talking about:
First of all, EDC planned and recorded their video at least, one yr ago.
Second, their video was released all around the world.
Third, Josh Meney has contacted EDC to commend da video. Just so you know, Josh is a close friend of Karnivool's guys.
>>> To be continued
Murdokthesad 6 months ago
Lmfao I love how all the people saying they copied this are from the same country as the other band.
The concept is not the same at all, the guy in the "EDC" video is just wearing a bird mask, get over it you idiots.
littlelionkid 6 months ago
@littlelionkid Sorry, but the concept and photography's the same AT ALL. There's nothing to do with country, but with creativity ripoff. Peace!
propolisBR 6 months ago
@propolisBR I have no idea what you're even trying to say, your English is terrible.
littlelionkid 6 months ago
@littlelionkid I know u can understand... BTW, congrats for ur perfect english. Peace!!
propolisBR 6 months ago
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keybirdking 6 months ago
@keybirdking think you should have left your comment here says exactly what most of us are thinking! Much love to all the Birds
jmh123456 6 months ago
shame on you
pyratabh 6 months ago
plagiarism !!
guitarde1 6 months ago 4
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WTF is that ?? This is a copy from EDC !! go to hell and learn how to create a video !!!
afcamarg0 6 months ago
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Beautiful video, but it's a blatant copy! Type "EDC Pássaros" in the browser and you'll see what I'm talking!
edukalive 6 months ago
EDC?? Fala sério Plágio!
edsonnascimento53 6 months ago 2
EDC?
marianadeaguiar 6 months ago 3
Hey wanckers stop coping and create your own stuff!!!
pernapreta 6 months ago 2
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SHAMEFUL!!! This video idea is not yours! It´s a copy of EDC´s band video - Passaros. Where´re the credits? Who wrote the screenplay? Who is the director?
"Ripping-off ideas is not art at all".
allimaclnnes 6 months ago
where your's originality?!?! EDC rules!
bhsreal 6 months ago 3
hahahah Pássaros - EDC!!
bhsreal 6 months ago 2
Go to hell!!! rip-off from v=dUNIF3sw-Bo
raphaelstrada 6 months ago
This is "EDC Pássaros", from Brazil!
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Watch EDC - Passaros and see! - Ripping-off ideas is not art at all.³
lan2210a 6 months ago
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PÁSSAROS- EDC ??? The band EDC of Brazil ???
marcelojrhxcx 6 months ago
Ripping-off ideas is not art at all.²
gmcirelli 6 months ago
hey guys, you forgot the freak rabbit!
watch "passaros - edc"
NandoZenari 6 months ago 4
For those who wants to see the original idea of this video, type EDC Passaros, sorry guys!
pinhorodrigues 6 months ago 2
PÁSSAROS- EDC ???
daymargera 6 months ago
what a fucking shame, bastards.
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daymargera 6 months ago
What a shame. I hope you guys be honest enough to NOT disable the comments. Replace the URL content after the "watch?" for this: v=dUNIF3sw-Bo. Shame on you, suckers.
TheFiorattis 6 months ago 3
Beautiful video, but it's a blatant copy! Type "EDC Pássaros" in the browser and you'll see what I'm talking!
jacklopezz 6 months ago 2
"Uh-oh. I think I saw a rip-off" (Tweety voice) watch?v=dUNIF3sw-Bo
propolisBR 6 months ago
Copy the idea from another band is ugly ... The band EDC of Brazil madehis clip before and someone stole the idea from you! What could be good you have ruined. Regrettable.
marcelo2up 6 months ago 6
Just like my homie said!
Big fucking rip-off...
Give credit where credit is due.
porquinho 6 months ago 5
Ripping-off ideas is not art at all. For those who want to watch the concept they ripped off, just replace the URL content after the "watch?" for this: v=dUNIF3sw-Bo
Give credit where credit is due.
rodr1gosm1le 6 months ago 15
@rodr1gosm1le You must remember that the film clip could have been the idea of some radical director / producer who yes has stolen the idea you linked, but this does not neccessitate that the band was responsible, or detract from their musical talent.
Allurian 5 months ago 2
@rodr1gosm1le Are you joking? They're two entirely different concepts...
stjimmiec1 5 months ago
@rodr1gosm1le v=BClzBQmZZBc This came even before then. I think it's a concept that crops up a lot.
thalionrin 5 months ago
@rodr1gosm1le
So you're positive it's a straight out rip-off of another video clip? 2 bands/2 folks walking around with a bird mask on their heads, in this Birds version, it makes sense for the song. I'm not too sure on a translation for the other video here, but I'm sure it represents some value toward that song. Who gives a rats whether it is SIMILAR, move on.
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@rodr1gosm1le doesnt count if its in a different language lol. but that was a bird mask not a bird head, plus this song is better
Jbur63 3 months ago
@rodr1gosm1le Hmm I saw the vid of that other band (not sure which language they're singing in), but I just want to say that I loved that track, so thanks for hooking me up! I mean, this tune is great, but I actually preferred the eagle one!
madpiscesdisease 3 months ago
= dUNIF3sw-Bo
Any similarity is just a coincidence...
Murdokthesad 6 months ago 4
Where was this filmed?
BeneathTheSmiles 6 months ago
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JizzyMcJizz 6 months ago
OMG i <3 this Tune .
Brid2k10xx 7 months ago
At 0:53 he realises that the phone isn't going to reach his beak and mouth at the same time.
Stressingisforlosers 7 months ago
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JizzyMcJizz 6 months ago
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@JizzyMcJizz Beautiful video, but it's a blatant copy! Type "EDC Pássaros" in the browser and you'll see what I'm talking!
EDCvideos 6 months ago
this song makes me feel good!
MrNeonWaves 7 months ago
thumbs up if you got here from Home And Away!
MrNeonWaves 7 months ago 5
Beautiful Song
grassyknoley 7 months ago
I know exactly how you feel my bird friend
xerces06 7 months ago 3
Budgies are kept in cages alone and can't fly free. The cage for this budgie is the world around him and he can't fly free because he is trapped by lonliness and is just trying to fill his day to escape frustration.
ECC1904 7 months ago
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@ECC1904 Beautiful video, but it's a copy! Type "EDC Pássaros" in the browser and you'll see what I'm talking!
EDCvideos 6 months ago
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Absolutely Amazing. Gosh now I miss Australia. <3 BOT lots of love from Kenya!
LoveKutless 7 months ago
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LoveKutless 7 months ago
I was a Birds of Tokyo fan before they were on H&A...but they pick good music.
ecermusic 7 months ago
@ecermusic what is H&A?
grassyknoley 7 months ago
@grassyknoley Home and Away.
ecermusic 7 months ago 5
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EDCvideos 6 months ago
Heard this song on Home And Away. What a brilliant song. I've been watching home and away since the first episode, its nothing to be ashamed of :)
purecorkboy06 7 months ago 3
@purecorkboy06
lonamsbln 6 months ago
This video definitely doesn't match my perception of this song, but everyone see's it differently.
Burnyoursins 7 months ago
Just for the record H&A DID NOT bring me here. Great song. Hilarious video, a giant bird come on really this will give me nightmares !!!
lineinthesand100 7 months ago
Can anyone tell me the name of the bridge in the video please?
Cheers :-)
brendon1957 7 months ago
There needs to be a LOVE IT SO MUCH I CANT FUNCTION WITHOUT IT button... Just saying... :P
fknweird 8 months ago
Home and Away picks great music. Love this song. :)
rockchapelboy92 8 months ago 6
@rockchapelboy92 haha did you find it through home and away too ?? :D
SweetBethyBoo 8 months ago
@SweetBethyBoo yep. what makes it even sadder is that i'm an 18yr old guy, so i really should NOT be watching H+A.....but ssshhh. :P haha
rockchapelboy92 8 months ago
@rockchapelboy92 haha but home and away is great so it doesnt matter lol.... You should be watching it lol :D
SweetBethyBoo 8 months ago
@SweetBethyBoo Thanks, I tell myself that everyday. :P haha :D
rockchapelboy92 8 months ago
@rockchapelboy92 haha, lol. Yeah you better :D
SweetBethyBoo 8 months ago
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EDCvideos 6 months ago
needs more views.................. =) hahaha amazing song... love it.
3:38 ruined the whole thing
sethd14 8 months ago
@sethd14 Beautiful video, but it's a blatant copy! Type "EDC Pássaros" in the browser and you'll see what I'm talking!
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EDCvideos 6 months ago
Heard this on home and away today ... it has completely moved me. Love it!!!!
taintedchick 8 months ago 6
@taintedchick Me too! I wrote down a line of the lyrics on the back of a magazine I was reading at the time and googled it. Its a great tune!
tazzywazzy1989 8 months ago
@taintedchick i know yeh ha i heard it to and i was like oo i have to find it took me some time but got there in the end !!
tjstapes 8 months ago
Hooked since istening to it on HAA.
maryburnsful 8 months ago 2
One of those 'indie/alternative' rock bands that somehow attract a label that hints at interesting, different music (having a weird name helps ie Death Cab for Cutie), while actually their music is incredibly predictable and bring, and any emotion falls flat because of it. Try Bon Iver, Sufjan Stevens, Joanna Newsom, The National... THAT is music. Or The Beatles, who will always be the best.
wytstriped 8 months ago
@wytstriped You're one of those music snobs that make me want to vomit on principle. Seriously, do you have nothing better to do than to preach about what is "real music"? I bet you've never listened to a Birds of Tokyo song before. If you love those other bands so much, piss off and listen to them, you're sure as hell not wanted here.
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EDCvideos 6 months ago
So, Plans and Circles have the same song length 3:38?
benos 8 months ago
saw it on home and away
mingablinga 9 months ago 6
Epic!
moivin 9 months ago
Brilliant
DirkK81 9 months ago
Life like a bird in a cage...
bennopia 9 months ago
this song is amazing. I can't believe it isn't big yet, i feel that this is by far their best song :)
jebbyman1012 10 months ago 2
this clip does not do this song justice!
bagittaful 10 months ago
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JizzyMcJizz 6 months ago
best song of the album, very good metaphor
connwilliamsmedia 10 months ago 3
love the video ;)
rainbowpassionfruit 10 months ago
I'm sure that there is a giant Parakeet woman out there who feels the same way.
ScalerWave 10 months ago 12
To him, he's normal, but can't find where he fits in, like the song says. Haunting!
NovoPromotions 10 months ago 2
Vegas - Hoover Dam great area to take the video......
jamware007 10 months ago
This is such a beautiful song from a brilliant album.
charon000 10 months ago
best song ever, btw screw illuminati lol
MrFiFa10MaNu 11 months ago
beautiful.. made me cry :)
SaccharineLlama 11 months ago
must be the illuminati
Tyrale100 11 months ago 2
@Tyrale100 finally someone who understands haha
MrFiFa10MaNu 11 months ago
No dislikes :D Suck on that bieber
Quickanator 11 months ago 3
Sick song!!
shelan0909 11 months ago
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mr0N19 11 months ago
nice head
doomcheese2010 11 months ago 2
This must be the cheapest music video ever made. I like it
holden0001 11 months ago 2
a day on the life of a bird of a tokyo ?
bfmvmetallicaslayer 11 months ago
Disappointed that a verse was cut out. Was it really that hard to write another 40 seconds worth of script for the video?
xDANxBlAcKrOsE 11 months ago
@xDANxBlAcKrOsE I think you'll find it would have been outta the Birds hands....songs can only be a certain length for radio/video play...to get this played they would have had to cut the time a little...it sucks
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deanothot3 11 months ago
@xDANxBlAcKrOsE maybe that was the version the video makers got and they had no say in it! maybe it was the record company, just maybe.
dunoonroad 11 months ago
Love it
Joeteor 11 months ago
Fucking A grade song, one of my favourites from the album. But why did they make song, not full version its 40 seconds taken out!!!!
ValiumMm8 11 months ago
I've always seen the song as being about both repition, but also uncertainty. Not knowing here to go next, and knowing you can't go back.
ObviousChicken 11 months ago
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maidenfan1818 11 months ago
i like waiting for the wolves. do a clip for that!
Proloco47chev 11 months ago 2
ahhh love it :)
skudfeltodrumhead 11 months ago
I used to LOVE those freakin' top things as a kid, ahhh memories!
DrkVce 11 months ago
simply great video!!! thats got damn big bird! love whole album anyway...
mirorm1 11 months ago
Loved it!!!
stjimmiec1 11 months ago
BOOOM!!! Best Band Ever !
TheAussieboy11 11 months ago
A lonely parikeet, acting like a bit of a galah...
XLesky 11 months ago
Can't believe they released Circles as a single :) Best song off the album
Quickanator 11 months ago 45
@Quickanator I agree - this song had me hooked and pulls at your heart strings from the get go....I love it...
nathandublya 11 months ago
Can't you just tell that Ian came up this idea. :) I love it though. The false cetto in the chorus starts to sounds almost bird-like with the visual aid.
tle123rox 11 months ago
@tle123rox yeah it has to be Ian's idea for the bird. he's so creative. i love him soooo much. I want to eat him all up.
dunoonroad 11 months ago
like like like like like like like like like.. finally a video for my fav song on the new album! too bad it's shortend but whatever
TheCodyDanzaShow 11 months ago
so..is he one of the birds from tokyo?
robotfamilygchicken 11 months ago
This is amazing. The video is not confusing. The song is about repetition, frustration, anger, doing the same thing day after day after day and not knowing what to do. The bird is a metaphor for someone that is out of place and who doesn't fit in the hectic world we live in.
MusicalAndTall 11 months ago 69
@MusicalAndTall
Boom!
kingStuLad 11 months ago
@MusicalAndTall Not only that but almost all the shots that are taken in this signify loneliness. And emptyness within nearly all of us. Your interpretation is pretty much exactly the same to mine. This song/video screams out "trying to break free" from the mold that we live in.
tle123rox 11 months ago