May I congratulate you on taking the step of faith by believing in One God the Father of all. Like yourself I made the discovery that God is One individual, a spirit who unseen to human sight.
Excellent video here, with well explained bible verses.
Mathew 1:23 Immanual means God with us. No appogies because the bible tells me so.
Jesus is God. John 1:1-51 is John''s testimony of the divinity of Christ. Mathew 1:23, 28:19, Gen 1:1, 26, 3:22, 11:7, 1John 5:6,7,8, 10-11, Isaiah 9:6, 7:14
What stands out for me in this verse is if "only the Father knows", and the Son did not know because he was limited by his humanity, then why did the holy spirit not know?
In what way was the holy spirit limited at this time?
Now, before the accusations start flying (Remember what Satan means in Hebrew...enemy, w/ a connotation of "Accuser") let us recall Who we Are. Where we come from, and Why we are now here. If we came seeking truth, we understand that the truth includes peace as a basis for understanding. If you're the sort who wants to be outraged by the simplicity of a question, the base line would be your outrage...this is an important question to all Abrahamic Faiths...which seem divided by Satanic deceits. Y
What I don't understand, really, is what difference does it make whether one views G-d as a trinity or not? We all would appear to be able to agree that there is ONE source called "G-d" or what have you, from which all other things emanate. I know there is a key scripture for this debate in Matthew about the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. My question is whether the Holy Spirit is an entity or a state of mind such as [Non Radical Extremist] Islam (Submission to G-d). Please think with CARE.
excuse me Tohrahrevibal, the concept of trinity is wrong, but you are wrong if you preach that Christ is as powerful as the Father, Jesus said himself that the FATHER is greater than him. Jesus is God because HE is the WORD, and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD. Meaning, Christ was part of the GODHEAD but he is not the ALMIGHTY ONE the FATHER.
@pedomohd Jesus is God, he is God in human form, The Trinity is true, We(Catholics) worship and Glorify The Father,The Son,And The Holy Spirit! Genesis 1:26 And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness,
Notice God says OUR! The Father,The Son, and The Holy Spirit were always there! 1 God 3 persons.
The Father is not older then the Son, and vice versa as Saint Patrick said!
@MysticalCity I believe in the God Almighty,The Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit but I won't call it Trinity. The word Trinity cannot be found in the Bible and Jesus never speak of Trinity,but the Catholics whose teachings are not all Biblical but from the Priesthood in Rome.There are so many wrong teachings in Catholics and these are not Biblical. I don't have to pinpoint them all anyway like muslims catholics are hardheaded. What is written is written just follow Christ then we weill never argue.
@MysticalCity I don't know that St Patrrick, Santa Clause etc... you are talking, use the Bible and we will all agree. The new testament are the whole commandment in Christianity and I don't need any Saints, it's enough.
@MysticalCity If you think that THE FATHER(ALMIGHTY GOD) is the same as Jesus YOU ARE DEFINITELY WRONG.You should read my reply to Tohrahrevibal and use your brain. I am sure of what I am saying based on the scripture. Jesus is not the ALMIGHTY GOD although Jesus is GOD. He said my FAther is greater than I. How can THE FATHER be greater than Jesus if He is Jesus? And He said I don't know when will I come back on earth but THE FATHER. If we are truly Christians we should read and study the Bible.
@pedomohd the reason why he said that was because he was God in human form, of course The Father is more powerful then him since hes in Heaven? John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
@MysticalCity Do you mean in heaven Jesus is powerful as the Father? Do they have same power? If it is so, where in the Bible can we read this? I don't know who is that St Patrick you're talking even if you include all the saints made holy by Catholic church it's nothing compared what are written in the Bible. its complete it can prove itself without quoting that Patrick your saint. I destroyed the idols of my catholic mother, I am not a Catholic whose some teachings are NOT BIBLICAL.
@pedomohd again cuz u chose not to read, John 10:30 I and The Father are one. Genesis 1:26 And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: Notice Our we (catholics) worship The Father,The Son and The Holy Spirit. WHERE did it say The Father created man? nowhere! God is 1=3persons
u haven fallen away from the true church of God, becuase u were lead astray by satan, satan does not care about the orthodox,protestant,baptist, churches, since he can destroy the true Church, he tries 2 corrupt
@MysticalCity you are the one fooling yourself, you are telling the readers of this video comments Jesus do not know grammar when he said MY FATHER WHO SENT ME IS GREATER THAN I. If Jesus is the FAther why would he say this? They are one in purpose, deeds and dominion but God the FATHER is greater than Jesus who said this himself. CAtholics are blind people, kiss the relics of the saints brother.... and that include the feces of your saints.
@pedomohd thanks for avoiding my question, again here it is so it makes u madd, Genesis 1:26 And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: The Father,The Son, and The Holy Spirit, and also u cant see God The Father, except through God The Son, John 14:6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me. and also John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning
@pedomohd continued, he tries to corrupt it! Matthew 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Saint Peter was the first Pope! he fled jerusalem and went to rome, The Catholic Church was started by Jesus! ill take the Church Fathers(saints) words anyday.
@MayIPleaseAskYou Why wont God forgive people for blaspheming the Holy Spirit? Why did Jesus say My God twice? Why was Jesus born of The Holy Spirit? please stop your embarrassing yourself.
my question is still Unanswered.....WHY did Yashuah NOT say 'I AND the Father AND the Holy Spirit ARE ONE'?
which would have been more 'correct' - as a catholic you would surely agree with that ;0)
I would ask in relation to 'your' question - IF as you believe the Father, Son and Spirit are supposedly 'co-equal' WHY is ONLY the Blashemy of the Spirit NOT forgiven?
Since when was ASKING questiosn to gain KNOWLEDGE seen as an 'embarrassment'? ;0)
@MayIPleaseAskYou John 16:12 I have yet many things to say to you: but you cannot bear them now.
because the apostles would not have been able to understand. Just like St.Augustine he could not understand the The Holy Trinity, for us humans its like trying to squeeze the ocean into a seashell, we will never be able to understand God. plus your not trying to gain knowledge your being ignorant of the answers, and choose not to believe in The Holy Trinity. Which is why your on your way to hell.
@MayIPleaseAskYou no of course i don't want you to go to hell, which is why i responded with 2000+ comments giving you proof and u still cherry pick different verses to make excuses. Why does The father create everything through the son? Why does the Holy Spirit give life? Why did The Son die on the cross, not The Holy Spirit or The Father? listen im just sayin if you don't believe in The Holy Spirit, then you are going to hell, hey im not making this stuff up.
@MayIPleaseAskYou Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, shall never have forgiveness, but shall be guilty of an everlasting sin.
@MayIPleaseAskYou What is the true religion according to you? You hate Islam, you argue with the Christians...
Enlighten us; you are supposed to teach your fellow human beings the truth and show them the right way. Come on don't be selfish and don't keep all to yourself.
@osban100 according to MayIPleaseAskYou, The Bible fell from the sky, and landed in her lap, and therefore she is a Bible Scholar, and no matter what proof you give her, she will ask the same question, so instead of responding to her, i preach to my hamster and birds.
@MysticalCity I agree. MayIPleaseAskYou does exactly what her name says: she asks, and asks and asks .... til the cows come home. Or should I say till the kats come home! hahaha!!!
i disagree. why !? well its simple . jesus himself says * i and my father are one [but my father is greater] and there lies the answer. aint it just 1derful how scripture rectify scripture...
The trinity is a false doctrine but El is not the creator but YHV is through the power of El. You see this clearly in Gen 1:26 "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" Christ is not the Father, he is the Son and as a resurrected and exalted being he is a god, but not the God. El is the one true God but Christ is the exalted and all powerful savior of mankind.
He is one in purpose with the Father hence the scriptures saying he is God, but the trinitarian theories are false.
Cool -please explain the Pentecost & the church manifest?
Further, how do you explain the one unforgivable sin? -to which even the the authorities at the time agreed with Jesus.
Jesus in not a G-D-man nor a Man-G-d -he was both human & divine in the mystery that is the incarnation. He was all human and all G-D at the same time and at all times.
Since when is any part of faith computable?
I got news for you "G-D is a mystery" because no man can fully explain or understand G-D.
@kingdomofgod83 Judges and angels are called Gods, David is called a shepherd, Daniel called the king - lord of lords. Yahshua called Peter Satan (get behind me satan) HE also called Judas devil. Isaiah 19:20 - Yahweh sends Israel and Savior and Defender. In Hosea 11:10 and 13:8 - Yahweh is described as a roaring lion who devours - In 1Peter 5:8 - the devil is a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour - Is GOD satan since they have the same names?
Maha Suci Tuhanku dari disekutukan dengan apa jua pun. Tuhan Tetap Satu, tidak ada dosa yang lebih besar melainkan menyekutukan apa jua dengan Tuhan. Dosa Syirik balasannya adalah neraka. Semoga Tuhan memberi petunjuk kepada manusia.
First off, Torah..I like your site. Second, I think the Messiah was showing the limit of a creature. It's two existing being, Creator & creature, and the Messiah (Son of Yah) information is limited, movement is limited, life on earth was limited, had to eat, sleep, and die. While the Most high is all knowing, is omnipresent, forever to forever, and never eat,sleep,or die. When Yah the Creator toke on that suit of a creature, He was under the constraints of a creature which is having limitations
@detroitroc So basically God lost his powers - all knowledge, power, wisdom, etc. Are Gone. So when Yahshua was walking around - Who was GOD? If he gave up being God who was controlling the earth? Apparently he didnt have a human limitation like you say - he raised the dead, healed the sick, walked on water, made water into wine, etc. So which is it - Did he give up being GOD or Not? Is he the Son of Yahweh or is he Yahweh himself, which is it?
@markpaghi The Messiah is the Word made flesh and the Father, Word, and Spirit is one. The body that the Most High used (Yahshua) is like ice. Ice is limited but is formula is H2O. You can hold ice, it cracks, it does not take much mass but its water. the make up changes but the formula & make-up is H2O. The prophet said that the Son shall be call Wonder, Counselor, Everlasting Father. Why you call a Son the "Everlasting Father," if it was not true.
JESUS AS THE ALMIGHTY WORD OF GOD AND EQUAL TO GOD THE FATHER EMPTIED HIMSELF OF THAT AND THUS BECAME LESS SO NOW HE HAS A GOD AND A FATHER WHO IS GREATER! WHAT AN AWESOME THOUGHT FROM GOD THE HOLY GHOST!
1. EQUALITY WITH GOD
1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV)
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
JESUS AS THE ALMIGHTY WORD OF GOD AND EQUAL TO GOD THE FATHER EMPTIED HIMSELF OF THAT AND THUS BECAME LESS SO NOW HE HAS A GOD AND A FATHER WHO IS GREATER! WHAT AN AWESOME THOUGHT FROM GOD THE HOLY GHOST!
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
JESUS AS THE ALMIGHTY WORD OF GOD AND EQUAL TO GOD THE FATHER EMPTIED HIMSELF OF THAT AND THUS BECAME LESS SO NOW HE HAS A GOD AND A FATHER WHO IS GREATER! WHAT AN AWESOME THOUGHT FROM GOD THE HOLY GHOST!
1. EQUALITY WITH GOD
Philippians 2:6-7 (KJV)
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: :
(12) His exaltation to original glory and the highest place under God the Father is proof of His lowest humiliation and earthly limitation short of being God by nature (Php. 2:9-11; Eph. 1:20-23; Col. 1:15-23; Col. 1:15-23; 1Pet. 3:22).
(11) The fact that Christ promised all believers power to do the works He did proves that it was through the anointing of the Spirit, not by His deity and natural attributes, that He did His works (Mt. 10:1-20; 16:18; 18:18; Lk. 10; 24:49; Mk. 16:15-20; Jn. 14:12-15; Acts 1:4-8).
(10) He did not claim the attributes of God, but only the anointing of the Spirit to do His works (note, Jn. 8:28; Mt. 12:28; Lk. 4:16-21). Others stated this was the source of His power (Jn. 3:34; Acts 10:38). Most scriptures used in theological texts proving that Christ had divine attributes on earth are statements true of Him since His glory has been restored and do not prove anything during His life on earth.
(9) History records that Christ was limited as a baby and grew in body, soul, and spirit (mind, 1Cor. 2:11), grace, wisdom, stature, and favor with God and man (Lk. 2:40,52). Even after His manhood, His full anointing and gifts of the Spirit, He was still limited in knowledge (Mk. 13:32). He even learned obedience by the things He suffered (Heb. 4:14-16; 5:7-9).
Of what did Christ empty Himself? If it became necessary to anoint Jesus during His earthly life, then it proves He did not retain His former glory and attributes which He had from all eternity when He emptied Himself to become like men in all things (Php. 2:6-8; Heb. 2:14-18; 5:8-9).
(8) Isaiah (Isa. 42:1-7; 61:1-2) speaks of Messiah receiving His power to manifest divine acts by the anointing of the Holy Spirit and not by retaining His own former natural attributes and powers. Is it necessary for God to be anointed with the Holy Spirit to do what He is naturally capable of doing?
(7) Isaiah (Isa. 50:4-11) predicted that the Messiah would be born without the tongue of the learned, without knowing how to speak a word in season to help any soul, and that He would be wakened day by day to increase in knowledge and wisdom.
(6) Isaiah (Isa. 11:2; 53:1-12) speaks of the Messiah being limited as an ordinary baby, showing that God would give Him the spirit of wisdom, understanding, counsel, might, knowledge, and fear of the Lord. If He had these attributes as God from all eternity and did not lay them aside in becoming man when was this ever true of Him?
He attributed all His works, doctrines, powers, etc. to the Father through the anointing of the Holy Spirit (note, Jn. 8:28). This is proved by the following facts in Scripture:
(3) He was our example that we should walk in His steps (1Pet. 2:21).
(4) The temptations prove that He was limited as a man so that He could overcome as a man and not as God (Heb. 4:14-16; 5:7-9).
He attributed all His works, doctrines, powers, etc. to the Father through the anointing of the Holy Spirit (note, Jn. 8:28). This is proved by the following facts in Scripture:
(1) He was limited to the status of a man (Php. 2:6-8; Heb. 2:14-18; 5:8-9).
(2) He was God's agent using God's power of attorney (note, Jn. 8:28; Acts 10:38).
6. His divine attributes and outward powers that He had with the Father from eternity. He had no power to do miracles until He received the Holy Spirit in all fullness (Jn. 2:11; 3:34; Isa. 11:1-2; 42:1-7; 61:1-2; Lk. 3:21-22; 4:16-21; Mt. 12:28; Acts 10:38). He could do nothing of Himself in all His earthly life.
2. God-form or God-body, the spirit body that He lived in from eternity, to take human-form (Php. 2:6-8; 3:21; Mt. 1:18-25; Lk. 1:35; Jn. 1:14; Lk. 24:37-40; Zech. 13:6; Gal. 4:4; Rom. 8:3)
3. Immortality of body (1Cor. 15:3; Ps. 16:10; 1Pet. 2:24; 3:18)
4. The glory that He had with the Father before the world was (Jn. 12:23; 17:5; Mt. 16:27; Php. 2:5-11)
It could not have been His divine nature, for He was God not only from all eternity (Mic. 5:1-2; Jn. 1:1-2; Heb. 1:8; Rev. 1:8-11), but God manifest in flesh during His life on earth (Isa. 7:14; 9:6-7; Mt. 1:18-25; Jn. 1:1-2,14; 1Tim. 3:16). Christ emptied Himself of:
1. Equality with God (Php. 2:6-7; Jn. 14:28; 1Cor. 11:3)
Greek: kenoo (GSN-G2758), to empty out, drain. It is translated "make void" (Rom. 4:14; 1Cor. 9:15); "make of none effect" (1Cor. 1:17); "be in vain" (2Cor. 9:3); and "make of no reputation" (i.e., He emptied Himself; Php. 2:7).
"58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."-John 8:58 "7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."-1 John 5:7
If Yeshua is not God,How could he walk on the water? How could he feed 5000+ with two little fish and 5 loaves of bread? How did he raise people from the Dead? How did he make the blind see? No one before or since displayed power over the elements, diseases, gravity, death, the spiritual world, and prophecy, Like the Lord Yeshua did, He said they all would know me, from the least to the great, The early Church did not say his name out loud for over 400 years when they fully understood who he is.
How could God serve? Because he became flesh. How could God suffer? Because he became flesh. How could God be tempted? Because he became flesh. How could God be beaten and dispised by the world? Because he became flesh. There are many other more valid reasons for you to reason Yeshua=God other than I don't know the day or the Hour. But to believe the Bible @ all, He that does not Honor the Son just like or the same as the Father, etc,How can you Honor anything the same as God, If he is not God?
flesh isnt God, so you are saying God became unGod . no . and also, you didnt reply to the point about disciples doing the same thgns Jesus did . Elijah also raised people from the dead. so this means you cant ever use the "Jesus did miracles" argument anymore
I believe that the scripture says that God emptied himself, or the word, the heart of God, the exact representation of God, God in the flesh, John 1:1 etc. When he (God) he possessed the fullness of God, but it says that he became flesh, You are not looking at the full picture, Yeshua had to die, How could God die, Because God became flesh,
What about Jesus raising "the temple of his body" from the dead in John 2:19? How can Christ raise himself, and also the Spirit and the Father be involved?
Hello again, I would be curious about what you believe at the present, you mentioned you used to hold to the Trinity. I digress to my point.
The topic of Jesus not knowing when He returned is one I've heard before, but this is not solely a Trinity issue. You actually introduced the answer to the question, Jesus is the God-man, i.e., Jesus has two natures Fully Dine and Fully Man.
In relation to omniscience, Jesus was said to have 'increased in wisdom and stature' Luke 2:52...
(cont.) ... yet Peter also says that Jesus knows all things (John 21:17) without recieving correction or rebuke. Now Jesus was a Jew and to attribute this quality to Jesus without rebuke, suggests, in light of other rebukes Jesus did elicit against his disciples, that Christ knows all things.
The verse in mark represents Christ's humanity, for Jesus' ministry on the earth was characterized by a life lived by faith and obedience to the Father.
By this train of reasoning, then gravity is impossible and the earth is not a sphere. Trinity could be disproven if God were to be disproven. Peace to you.
No, we have seen the earth from space and gravity has been proven.
We have both accepted the god of israel. There is NOTHING that ANY scripture could every say that could convince you that the trinity is false. Scripture won't convince you. The fact that the idea of g-d needing parts, and lowering himself to being murdered is absolute blasphemy and underestimating g-ds power won't do it. Believe me, there's NOTHING in 'old' testament that can prove what you're saying if you look at it correctly
I'm not following your reasoning. You originally stated that if it is impossible to prove then it is not true, I stated that the earth is a sphere which is impossible to disprove and by your logic not true, which you respond to no the shape of the earth is true. See the problem?
I'd argue with you on the OT not proving Trinity, however you are making some grave assumptions about what I will and won't listen to or study. I'm pretty sure i've never met you, but you are acting like you know me.
if you went up in space and earth was the shape of a triangle, then that would be disproving the sphere idea. We've been there, it's a sphere. If jesus said 'i'm not god', you would say 'well he was speaking from the man aspect of his nature.' That is what I mean.
The bible flat out states that g*d is not a man multipe times, and if you continue to read the supposed prophecies which point to jesus they continue to say that the person it's referring to is less than g*d, just a man.
First of all, let me state that the argument that many Christians use of Yeshua not knowing in His humanity, but really knowing at the same time in His diety is not a valid one. However, you are not understanding (or haven't been exposed to) the doctine of Yeshua's self-emptying or KENOSIS (taken from the verb in Phillipians 2:7).
Basically, this doctrine states that Yeshua voluntarily chose not to access certain aspects of His diety while he walked the earth in the incarnation. With this doctrine in mind, one can understand that at the time Yeshua stated that the Son did not know... it was a true statement. But now that he has ascended back into heaven and is sitting at the right hand of Jehovah he does know the hour because he has taken back access to His omniscience.
But knowledge of a fact is not like a coat or umbrella that can be left in a closet somewhere. Knoweldge of a fact is something you either have or don't have.
If Yeshua was merely a human like any other, then I would agree with that statement. I guess the question is what kind of God do you worship? If one realizes that Yeshua truly was (and is) diety (see John 1:1, Matthew 9:2, John 10:30, John 20:28), then the KENOSIS doctrine is completely understandable.
No, it's not. G*d cannot do 'anything.' That doctrine is false. G*d cannot cause himself to not know something. It's rediculous. He wouldn't be g*d. G*d cannot cause himself to not exist, or cause himself to be evil can he? Anything that makes him less g*d is impossible for him. You ask what kind of g*d we worship, but whom do you worship? A g*d that cannot do it by himself, but instead needs an entire family? One that can be contained on this earth? One that can be killed by humans?
So you are saying that God(in the incarnation) could not voluntarily refrain from accessing certain aspects of His diety. Wow. I suggest you re-read Phillipians 2:7. By the way, no human did kill Yeshua (see John 10:18).
You misunderstand what I believe. I don't really care what Phillipians 2:7 says, to be entirely honest. G*d is not a man. Read Exodus 32. The g*d of israel cannot be worshipped through anything on this earth. Saying that he is man and dwelt on earth is true blasphemy. Saying that he would be lowered to being spit on and beaten, and then crucified is blasphemy. And yes, g*d cannot refrain himself from knowing something. He is all knowing, and unchanging.
The point you are failing to agree with me on is the fact of whether or not COULD God (if He chose) take on the form of human flesh. The New Testament scriptures say that He could and did. NO one is saying that Yeshua was just a man he was and is the GOD-MAN. But obviously you don't consider the New Testament to be of equal inspiration as the Torah, so we are not going to agree on this issue. I truly hope you see the truth of what I am saying some day.
One more question before I go...what do you think Eve meant when she literally said "I have gotten a manchild: Jehovah." (Genesis 4:1) This is what the hebrew literally translates to. This is the same construction of the very next verse "Again, she gave birth to his brother: Abel".
If this is read as it literally reads in the hebrew, then it is apparent that eve understood that her seed would be the God-Man.
If you want to commit idolatry by using a strange translation that noone uses, that's your choice. It says that she bore a child with the help of g*d.
The amount of people that truly understand that passage has absolutely no bearing on what it is stating. The fact of the matter is that the translators added "with the help of" to that passage because they did not truly grasp what Moses had written down. The facts also are that eve proclaimed "I have gotten a manchild: Jehovah".
Believe what you will, but I have been and will continue to pray that you will see the truth. God bless.
:) i'm glad u see the simple truth , not many people can open their eyes and believe the scripture , as Jesus said they make the word of God of no effect because of the traditions of men
let's be sensible ... the son of man, or the son of god? Yahshua used both because he was humanity, and more.
Which as Yahshua stated destroy this temple and "I" will raise it in 3 days ... or stated before abraham was "I AM" ... or caused the arresting group to fall backwards to the ground when he stated "I AM".
Obviously the trinity is not Truth, but i can not understand you demotion of Yahshua.
Matthew 28:17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
John 4:24 God is Spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
it doesn't say god. Come on. There is no word for 'god' in hebrew, in the english sense of the word. Yahweh is really the only word that means 'god' in the way we think of it. El is the word that's used there, maybe elohim. It means mighty one. Many ritcheous men have been called el/elohim in scripture.
Look at Yochanon 10:34-35, then tell me that verse was literally calling yahoshua the most high.
Actually, in this Isaiah passage the Messiah is given 4 titles here,correct? Of the 4 titles given here (wonderful counselor,mighty God, eternal Father,prince of peace), 3 of these titles can only apply to God. Let me give an example...WONDERFUL counselor. In English the word Wonderful can apply to man or God, but in the hebrew the word used here for wonderful is PELE and this is a word that is only used for God. Never is it used to describe man.
The term mighty God is obviously a term that can only refer to diety and divinity. Eternal Father- in other words he that controls eternity (Father of eternity). Only God could possibly fit here. The last one Prince of peace can apply to man or God. So this only reiterates the GOD-MAN concept.
That is not what it is saying! The most important commandments, for jews and non-jews alike, is that against blasphemy and idolatry. It is blasphemy to say this world could actually contain g*d, and that he would come down as a man(see genesis 33:20. Was the altar g*d? Why not worship it? See Jer. 33:16. Is Jerusalem g*d?) Hos 11:9('for I am g*d, and not a man), Num 23:19('g*d is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent')
See Exodus 32. This is what you are doing when you worship jes*us. 2nd chronicles 2:6, 6:18. Even all of the heavens cannot contain god. 1st Kings 8:27. God would never dwell on the earth.
When someone worships Yeshua they are worshipping God, if the doctrine of the trinity is true. Do you deny that God manifersted Himself here on earth in the form of the Shekinah glory? If you deny this then I suggest you re-read your Old Testament. If God can manifest Himself here on earth in that form, then I certainly think He can manifest Himself in the flesh, if He so desires. If not, then I guess you don't worship much of a God.
I'm vaguely familiar with the term shekinah. Manifestation or presence of g*d, correct? As in the temple. Ok, read the verses I referenced please. There are only three, and I don't want to repost. The entire point of those verses are to say that god could not literally dwell within the temple. Heaven itself cannot contain him. He is outside of space and time. The creator cannot be subject to his creation.
I believe the spirit is PART of YHWH and Yeshua, like I said before, a divine, holy power that comes from Him, but it is not an identity of it's own. I think the holy spirit is intertwined between the Father and the Son. I think the Father and the SOn are connected, obviously, since it is son and father, they are together, but Yeshua and YHWH are not the same person. Yeshua is under the authority of YHWH.
Why are you capitalizing 'god', 'the lord', and 'jesus'? they are greek pagan terms.
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
"For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him (Christ)..." (Colossians 1:19)
What I understand from reading this is that the fullness of Allmighty God dwells in the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is the image of the invisible God.
Just as you are a spirit and live in a phisical body. God the Father is Spirit and dwells in the Heavenly phisical Holy body of Jesus. The two are not separate, just as now the Father and the Son are not separate persons.
then why didn't anyone in the entire old testament talk about a 3 part God , it says there is only 1 God , and it never talks about a 3 in 1 God never gives a egg example or anything besides you should have a reason to believe not proof not to believe . if i believed santa clause was part god too what bible proof could u prove me wrong? nothing that wouldn't prove jesus isn't either . read luke 5:20-26 who can forgive sins but God ? what a wonderful oppertunity 4 jesus to s
[Christ] 15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Colossians 1:19 "For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him..." Philippians 2:5 "Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8And being found in appearance as a man ... 9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place..."
Let's put it this way: If we read nothing in context we will never know anything true from the Scriptures. If we read the Holy Scriptures as if it consisted of one verse, than we might as well give up reading them all together. But know that we work with probabilities.
That is we weigh the two views on two sides and weigh what our beliefs are. If the verses that support Christ's Divinity far outweigh those that deny it, then we must be left with one conclusion. If the verses that deny Christ's Divinity far outweigh those that do, then we again are left with one conclusion. But stopping over one verse that does not seem to fit with the rest of the verses of the Scriptures is no good reason to suspend a belief, unless one was already prone to do so.
The truth, in a nutshell, I believe is this: the Trinity is a mystery, yet it is legitimate. 1 John 5:7 shows its legitimacy. Also, regarding the 3 persons of the Trinity, the Spirit is a person, referred to as "he" at least once in the NT. I believe it's also fair to consider Yah a person. So I see the 3 in 1 theory is correct. THE PROBLEM WITH the Trinity is that the 3 parts are not equal; Yah is the head. Yeshua is Yah's Word, while the Spirit is Yah's presence. Continued...
I agree that Yeshua may not be Yah, while he clearly is/was not simply a man. He was resurrected and ascended and now sits at Yah's right hand. THE PROBLEM for me (and the reason I say "may not") is that Yeshua received WORSHIP numerous times in the NT. According to the Torah, which Yeshua quoted when being tempted by Satan (Matt 4:10), Yah alone is worthy of worship. Aha! Then why was Yeshua worshiped, an action seemingly prohibited by the law of his own Father? That's the mystery to me.
Hey ahki, first of all, 1 John 5:7 has very dubious manuscript support. Just do a google search on "Johannine Comma" and you should find enough on that. Alternatively, just check the notes in your Bible.
As for Yahoshua being "worshipped" this does not mean that he must be Yahweh. I'll probably do a video on this to break it down.
Well, if 1 Jn 5:7 is "suspect" as the term goes, the concept known as the Trinity has taken a definite hit in the vitals. I look forward to your theological navigating regarding the Scriptural validity of Yeshua worship in light of Ex 20:3, 5 and Matt 4:10. I might become non-Trinitarian if you're convincing enough...it sounded too polytheistic anyway (like Isis, Horus, and Set).
Definately look up 1st John 5:7. It's almost common knowledge that this is not a legit verse, and most new bibles no longer include most of it. I believe it was found in ONE of the many early manuscripts, in a latin version, and it is now known to be a little note making a comparison between spirit/flesh/blood to father/son/holy spirit.
@Torahrevival You stated that you used to believe in the trinity and the God-man Jesus Christ. Did you really understand what is meant by saying Jesus is fully God and man. It sounds to me that you were either told a wrong answer by a trinitarian who didn't fully understand the trinity or that you didn't fully understand it either. In the verse, Jesus was speaking in his humanity showing that not even he the MAN knows the time of his return, but only the Father....cont...
@Torahrevival cont. but Jesus was also fully God so he did know the time and hour of his return. So if you really understood the dual nature of Christ than it should be apparent that their is no contradiction. The same can be said of Jesus death, a lot of people say well if Jesus was God how could God die? Again the dual nature, Christ flesh died, but being fully God he took the keys of death and hell from Satan and rose again on the third day. God never died.
God revealed Himself through His Son, and currently through His Holy Spirit. That is how we must be babtized. According to scripture these are eternal beings. No man has seen God... Nobody can see God and live. so all appearrances in the old and new testament must be physical manifestation of the Holy Spirit or His Son, but we still worship the Father. I do believe there is clear distinction, but your in dangerous territory when you deny the Deity of Jesus Christ. Please be careful
I appreciate your concern, but I would say that it is Christians who are on dangerous territory because you are worshipping a man, a human being and calling him "God." This sounds dangerously like idolatry, which is clearly condemned throughout the Scriptures.
But, Christ was the Word mentioned in John 1:1-3 and then BECAME flesh(John 1:14). Christ has always "willingly submitted" to the Father's will. There are some "tough" scriptures to understand fully, but I can't discount the ones I just posted.
Thanks for those passages. I disagree with you concerning Yahoshua "pre-existing" and being YAHWEH. I'll hopefully deal with this over the coming weeks and months.
1Co 10:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our FATHERS were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; (2) And were all baptized unto MOSES in the cloud and in the sea; (3) And did all eat the same spiritual meat; (4) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that SPIRITUAL ROCK THAT FOLLOWED THEM: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.
(Joh 8:56-59) Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and HE SAW IT, and was glad. (57) Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? (58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. (59) Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Psalm 11:1-7, Psalms 2:1-8. Messiah is the SON of the Most High. He is the first BORN of all creation. He assisted the Father in creating all things. These verses listed above explains this. Hope this helps you. Shalom.
(Eph 3:9) And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST:
(Col 1:16) For BY HIM were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
(Gen 1:26) And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
(John 1:1-3) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (2) The same was in the beginning with God. (3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
(Joh 1:14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
ruds81, I also believe that the Messiah existed before his time here on earth. However I don't believe that he always was, instead I believe the Messiah was established outside of time itself. He said it himself, "before Avraham was I am". He wasn't claiming to be God, He was just letting them know that he existed even before their venerated father Avraham.
HalleluYAH! This is on time. Most PAGAN religions believe in some kind of trinity. That is a bad sign. Deuteronomy 6:4 HEAR, O ESRAEL! YHWH IS OUR ELOHIM, YHWH IS ONE.
(not three in one.) The belief in the trinity is one of those things 'you just have to understand' it reminds me of the story of the emperor's new clothes. Only 'smart' people could see his invisible clothes. Only a child was honest enough to admit the emperor is naked! Messiah said the kingdom is like one such as these. A child
This is a subject that I still don't quite understand. I am convinced 100% that Yeshua has always existed; He was not created at some point like the JW's say. However, I still can't say with certainty that Yeshua is Yahweh Himself. Just like there are passages that CLEARLY shows that He is not (i.e. Mar 13:32), there are other passages that CLEARLY say He is Yahweh Himself.
Yes my friend it was hard for me also. This passage really helped me out. Please read Proverbs 8:12-34. This is explaining the position of Yahshua. Also Psalm 11:1-7. YHWH said to my Lord...
Also Psalms 2:1-8. I hope this helps. Pray for his Holy Spirit. Seek and you shall find. Shalom.
So u got God the Unbegotten and God the begotten,He is the Son and thereby of the same nature as God,Maybe it just wasnt opportune for Jesus to reveal the End of it all ,In fact He lead his contemporary to believe His second coming could be imminent!
I have my problems too with the Trinity ,But there cannot be much doubt as to if Jesus was God incarnate,Immanuel God with us,Yeheshua Yahweh saves ,Is John 1 of no authority these days are we dealing with a JW here? maybe u are lacking the Spirit?
Hey there. I have been thinking I need to do a video outlining my take on John 1 as that is a very major proof-text for the Trinity. I will add it to my list of videos to get done this week.
Christ came in the flesh but was not yet delivered that is why he said they is only good but God alone, all have sinned apart from Yeshua because he is Yahweh incarnate,
The Christians that use the dual nature excuse are basically saying that the Messiah's human side was more powerful than his god side....Doesn't make much since at all brother!
Great video brother! This was the same exact verse that caused me so much problems with the trinity. How can you know something, but at the same time be ignorant to the same thing?
It is unbelievable what lengths people will go to in order to defend the trinity. yehoshua literally could have said I am not god, and people would go back to "Well of course he wasn't god in his human nature, but his deity is and was god."
I can't even talk to people about this anymore. I literally proved this to someone the other day, and he said he still believed because he had "faith." Yeah, faith in something that isn't found in the bible.(tbc)
@jojoneli76 Do you agree that only the Father knows ?
TheCaledonianBoy 3 days ago
May I congratulate you on taking the step of faith by believing in One God the Father of all. Like yourself I made the discovery that God is One individual, a spirit who unseen to human sight.
Excellent video here, with well explained bible verses.
DocHoliday1882 6 days ago
@2222pauline Help with what ?
TheCaledonianBoy 1 week ago
@jojoneli76 If "only the Father knows" then no one else knows.
Jesus was very specific with the identity of the person with this knowledge. Only the Father
TheCaledonianBoy 1 week ago
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Mathew 1:23 Immanual means God with us. No appogies because the bible tells me so.
Jesus is God. John 1:1-51 is John''s testimony of the divinity of Christ. Mathew 1:23, 28:19, Gen 1:1, 26, 3:22, 11:7, 1John 5:6,7,8, 10-11, Isaiah 9:6, 7:14
HS Gen 1:2, 2 Chronicals 5:13,14
Jesus Gen 1:3,6,9,11,14, 20, 24,
suggesttwo 2 weeks ago
I agree with all you said in the video.
What stands out for me in this verse is if "only the Father knows", and the Son did not know because he was limited by his humanity, then why did the holy spirit not know?
In what way was the holy spirit limited at this time?
Simple reasoning
TheCaledonianBoy 1 month ago
@TheCaledonianBoy Where does it say the Holy Spirit didn't know?
jojoneli76 1 week ago
The line which disproves this for me is that a book isn't a proof that something is real, even the less when it makes extraordinary claims.
KrugmanTheKing 1 month ago
Haha so funny. Trinitarianism mocks God and mankind!
TruthAtlas 3 months ago
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2222pauline 8 months ago
Now, before the accusations start flying (Remember what Satan means in Hebrew...enemy, w/ a connotation of "Accuser") let us recall Who we Are. Where we come from, and Why we are now here. If we came seeking truth, we understand that the truth includes peace as a basis for understanding. If you're the sort who wants to be outraged by the simplicity of a question, the base line would be your outrage...this is an important question to all Abrahamic Faiths...which seem divided by Satanic deceits. Y
jdavz322 8 months ago
What I don't understand, really, is what difference does it make whether one views G-d as a trinity or not? We all would appear to be able to agree that there is ONE source called "G-d" or what have you, from which all other things emanate. I know there is a key scripture for this debate in Matthew about the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. My question is whether the Holy Spirit is an entity or a state of mind such as [Non Radical Extremist] Islam (Submission to G-d). Please think with CARE.
jdavz322 8 months ago
Let me ask u some questions, do u believe that God limits himself? If he does limit himself does he stop being God?
BCJ5297 9 months ago
excuse me Tohrahrevibal, the concept of trinity is wrong, but you are wrong if you preach that Christ is as powerful as the Father, Jesus said himself that the FATHER is greater than him. Jesus is God because HE is the WORD, and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD. Meaning, Christ was part of the GODHEAD but he is not the ALMIGHTY ONE the FATHER.
pedomohd 10 months ago
@pedomohd Jesus is God, he is God in human form, The Trinity is true, We(Catholics) worship and Glorify The Father,The Son,And The Holy Spirit! Genesis 1:26 And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness,
Notice God says OUR! The Father,The Son, and The Holy Spirit were always there! 1 God 3 persons.
The Father is not older then the Son, and vice versa as Saint Patrick said!
MysticalCity 9 months ago
@MysticalCity I believe in the God Almighty,The Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit but I won't call it Trinity. The word Trinity cannot be found in the Bible and Jesus never speak of Trinity,but the Catholics whose teachings are not all Biblical but from the Priesthood in Rome.There are so many wrong teachings in Catholics and these are not Biblical. I don't have to pinpoint them all anyway like muslims catholics are hardheaded. What is written is written just follow Christ then we weill never argue.
pedomohd 9 months ago
@MysticalCity I don't know that St Patrrick, Santa Clause etc... you are talking, use the Bible and we will all agree. The new testament are the whole commandment in Christianity and I don't need any Saints, it's enough.
pedomohd 9 months ago
@MysticalCity If you think that THE FATHER(ALMIGHTY GOD) is the same as Jesus YOU ARE DEFINITELY WRONG.You should read my reply to Tohrahrevibal and use your brain. I am sure of what I am saying based on the scripture. Jesus is not the ALMIGHTY GOD although Jesus is GOD. He said my FAther is greater than I. How can THE FATHER be greater than Jesus if He is Jesus? And He said I don't know when will I come back on earth but THE FATHER. If we are truly Christians we should read and study the Bible.
pedomohd 9 months ago
@pedomohd the reason why he said that was because he was God in human form, of course The Father is more powerful then him since hes in Heaven? John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
MysticalCity 9 months ago
@MysticalCity Do you mean in heaven Jesus is powerful as the Father? Do they have same power? If it is so, where in the Bible can we read this? I don't know who is that St Patrick you're talking even if you include all the saints made holy by Catholic church it's nothing compared what are written in the Bible. its complete it can prove itself without quoting that Patrick your saint. I destroyed the idols of my catholic mother, I am not a Catholic whose some teachings are NOT BIBLICAL.
pedomohd 9 months ago
@pedomohd again cuz u chose not to read, John 10:30 I and The Father are one. Genesis 1:26 And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: Notice Our we (catholics) worship The Father,The Son and The Holy Spirit. WHERE did it say The Father created man? nowhere! God is 1=3persons
u haven fallen away from the true church of God, becuase u were lead astray by satan, satan does not care about the orthodox,protestant,baptist, churches, since he can destroy the true Church, he tries 2 corrupt
MysticalCity 9 months ago
@MysticalCity you are the one fooling yourself, you are telling the readers of this video comments Jesus do not know grammar when he said MY FATHER WHO SENT ME IS GREATER THAN I. If Jesus is the FAther why would he say this? They are one in purpose, deeds and dominion but God the FATHER is greater than Jesus who said this himself. CAtholics are blind people, kiss the relics of the saints brother.... and that include the feces of your saints.
pedomohd 9 months ago
@pedomohd thanks for avoiding my question, again here it is so it makes u madd, Genesis 1:26 And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: The Father,The Son, and The Holy Spirit, and also u cant see God The Father, except through God The Son, John 14:6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me. and also John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning
MysticalCity 9 months ago
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@pedomohd continued, he tries to corrupt it! Matthew 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Saint Peter was the first Pope! he fled jerusalem and went to rome, The Catholic Church was started by Jesus! ill take the Church Fathers(saints) words anyday.
MysticalCity 9 months ago
@MysticalCity
your words 'of course The Father is more powerful then him since hes in Heaven? John 10:30 I and the Father are one'
WHY didn't Yashuah say 'I AND the Father AND the Holy Spirit ARE ONE'?
which would be more :correct: in light of your catholic 3 in 1 belief - agreed?
Kat >^.^<
MayIPleaseAskYou 8 months ago
@MayIPleaseAskYou Why wont God forgive people for blaspheming the Holy Spirit? Why did Jesus say My God twice? Why was Jesus born of The Holy Spirit? please stop your embarrassing yourself.
MysticalCity 8 months ago
@MysticalCity
my question is still Unanswered.....WHY did Yashuah NOT say 'I AND the Father AND the Holy Spirit ARE ONE'?
which would have been more 'correct' - as a catholic you would surely agree with that ;0)
I would ask in relation to 'your' question - IF as you believe the Father, Son and Spirit are supposedly 'co-equal' WHY is ONLY the Blashemy of the Spirit NOT forgiven?
Since when was ASKING questiosn to gain KNOWLEDGE seen as an 'embarrassment'? ;0)
Kat >^.^<
MayIPleaseAskYou 8 months ago
@MayIPleaseAskYou John 16:12 I have yet many things to say to you: but you cannot bear them now.
because the apostles would not have been able to understand. Just like St.Augustine he could not understand the The Holy Trinity, for us humans its like trying to squeeze the ocean into a seashell, we will never be able to understand God. plus your not trying to gain knowledge your being ignorant of the answers, and choose not to believe in The Holy Trinity. Which is why your on your way to hell.
MysticalCity 8 months ago
@MysticalCity
so being a catholic fills you with HATRED is that it?
your words 'Which is why your on your way to hell'
I can almost feel your 'relish' at the idea of me writihing in agony in the pit of hell.....
you are akin to the islamics in that regard in seems :0(
IS that what YAHSHUH tells those that follow him?
I find that only those without TRUTH are the ones who HATE QUESTIONS!
why do YOU think that Yashuah NEVER said 'I AND the Father AND the Holy Spirit ARE ONE'?
MayIPleaseAskYou 8 months ago
@MayIPleaseAskYou no of course i don't want you to go to hell, which is why i responded with 2000+ comments giving you proof and u still cherry pick different verses to make excuses. Why does The father create everything through the son? Why does the Holy Spirit give life? Why did The Son die on the cross, not The Holy Spirit or The Father? listen im just sayin if you don't believe in The Holy Spirit, then you are going to hell, hey im not making this stuff up.
MysticalCity 8 months ago
@MayIPleaseAskYou Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, shall never have forgiveness, but shall be guilty of an everlasting sin.
MysticalCity 8 months ago
@MysticalCity
what about blaphemy against the Father and the Son?
if they are 'forgivable' sins. does that make the Holy Spirit 'UNequal' in the trinity?
Kat >^.^<
MayIPleaseAskYou 8 months ago
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@MayIPleaseAskYou Matt. 12:31; Luke 12:10 - Jesus says blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. Only God can be blasphemed.
MysticalCity 8 months ago
@MayIPleaseAskYou What is the true religion according to you? You hate Islam, you argue with the Christians...
Enlighten us; you are supposed to teach your fellow human beings the truth and show them the right way. Come on don't be selfish and don't keep all to yourself.
osban100 8 months ago
@osban100 according to MayIPleaseAskYou, The Bible fell from the sky, and landed in her lap, and therefore she is a Bible Scholar, and no matter what proof you give her, she will ask the same question, so instead of responding to her, i preach to my hamster and birds.
MysticalCity 8 months ago
@MysticalCity I agree. MayIPleaseAskYou does exactly what her name says: she asks, and asks and asks .... til the cows come home. Or should I say till the kats come home! hahaha!!!
osban100 8 months ago
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MrHead1972 10 months ago
i disagree. why !? well its simple . jesus himself says * i and my father are one [but my father is greater] and there lies the answer. aint it just 1derful how scripture rectify scripture...
FreddieStaton 10 months ago
The trinity is a false doctrine but El is not the creator but YHV is through the power of El. You see this clearly in Gen 1:26 "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness" Christ is not the Father, he is the Son and as a resurrected and exalted being he is a god, but not the God. El is the one true God but Christ is the exalted and all powerful savior of mankind.
He is one in purpose with the Father hence the scriptures saying he is God, but the trinitarian theories are false.
ViCe1986 1 year ago
Cool -please explain the Pentecost & the church manifest?
Further, how do you explain the one unforgivable sin? -to which even the the authorities at the time agreed with Jesus.
Jesus in not a G-D-man nor a Man-G-d -he was both human & divine in the mystery that is the incarnation. He was all human and all G-D at the same time and at all times.
Since when is any part of faith computable?
I got news for you "G-D is a mystery" because no man can fully explain or understand G-D.
Hkepfer 1 year ago
I know...
LEE STROBEL, explain TRHIS fucking shit IF YOU GODDAMN FUCKING CAN goddammit!
wildmanchris200 1 year ago
what about reverlations ,when the lord the christ says he is the alpha and the omega , g-d refers to himself in the same way
kingdomofgod83 1 year ago
@kingdomofgod83 Judges and angels are called Gods, David is called a shepherd, Daniel called the king - lord of lords. Yahshua called Peter Satan (get behind me satan) HE also called Judas devil. Isaiah 19:20 - Yahweh sends Israel and Savior and Defender. In Hosea 11:10 and 13:8 - Yahweh is described as a roaring lion who devours - In 1Peter 5:8 - the devil is a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour - Is GOD satan since they have the same names?
markpaghi 1 year ago
Maha Suci Tuhanku dari disekutukan dengan apa jua pun. Tuhan Tetap Satu, tidak ada dosa yang lebih besar melainkan menyekutukan apa jua dengan Tuhan. Dosa Syirik balasannya adalah neraka. Semoga Tuhan memberi petunjuk kepada manusia.
AkuKiniKembali 1 year ago
First off, Torah..I like your site. Second, I think the Messiah was showing the limit of a creature. It's two existing being, Creator & creature, and the Messiah (Son of Yah) information is limited, movement is limited, life on earth was limited, had to eat, sleep, and die. While the Most high is all knowing, is omnipresent, forever to forever, and never eat,sleep,or die. When Yah the Creator toke on that suit of a creature, He was under the constraints of a creature which is having limitations
detroitroc 1 year ago
@detroitroc So basically God lost his powers - all knowledge, power, wisdom, etc. Are Gone. So when Yahshua was walking around - Who was GOD? If he gave up being God who was controlling the earth? Apparently he didnt have a human limitation like you say - he raised the dead, healed the sick, walked on water, made water into wine, etc. So which is it - Did he give up being GOD or Not? Is he the Son of Yahweh or is he Yahweh himself, which is it?
markpaghi 1 year ago
@markpaghi The Messiah is the Word made flesh and the Father, Word, and Spirit is one. The body that the Most High used (Yahshua) is like ice. Ice is limited but is formula is H2O. You can hold ice, it cracks, it does not take much mass but its water. the make up changes but the formula & make-up is H2O. The prophet said that the Son shall be call Wonder, Counselor, Everlasting Father. Why you call a Son the "Everlasting Father," if it was not true.
detroitroc 1 year ago
WHAT DID JESUS EMPTY HIMSELF OF?
JESUS AS THE ALMIGHTY WORD OF GOD AND EQUAL TO GOD THE FATHER EMPTIED HIMSELF OF THAT AND THUS BECAME LESS SO NOW HE HAS A GOD AND A FATHER WHO IS GREATER! WHAT AN AWESOME THOUGHT FROM GOD THE HOLY GHOST!
1. EQUALITY WITH GOD
1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV)
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
WHAT DID JESUS EMPTY HIMSELF OF?
JESUS AS THE ALMIGHTY WORD OF GOD AND EQUAL TO GOD THE FATHER EMPTIED HIMSELF OF THAT AND THUS BECAME LESS SO NOW HE HAS A GOD AND A FATHER WHO IS GREATER! WHAT AN AWESOME THOUGHT FROM GOD THE HOLY GHOST!
1. EQUALITY WITH GOD
John 14:28 (KJV)
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
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WHAT DID JESUS EMPTY HIMSELF OF?
JESUS AS THE ALMIGHTY WORD OF GOD AND EQUAL TO GOD THE FATHER EMPTIED HIMSELF OF THAT AND THUS BECAME LESS SO NOW HE HAS A GOD AND A FATHER WHO IS GREATER! WHAT AN AWESOME THOUGHT FROM GOD THE HOLY GHOST!
1. EQUALITY WITH GOD
Philippians 2:6-7 (KJV)
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: :
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
Of what did Christ empty Himself?
I put all this in the spirit of the love of God and not to be an antagonists.
I do not know you, but want to help you with some of the things, I have wrestled over for 36 years.
I was alone and had no friend and one day while practicing witchcraft, and in a jail,
Jesus sen a woman with gifts of word of knowledge, and I found an eternal friend named JESUS CHRIST.
Logic sometime gets in the way of our very needful human spirit and soul.
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
Of what did Christ empty Himself?
(12) His exaltation to original glory and the highest place under God the Father is proof of His lowest humiliation and earthly limitation short of being God by nature (Php. 2:9-11; Eph. 1:20-23; Col. 1:15-23; Col. 1:15-23; 1Pet. 3:22).
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
Of what did Christ empty Himself?
(11) The fact that Christ promised all believers power to do the works He did proves that it was through the anointing of the Spirit, not by His deity and natural attributes, that He did His works (Mt. 10:1-20; 16:18; 18:18; Lk. 10; 24:49; Mk. 16:15-20; Jn. 14:12-15; Acts 1:4-8).
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
Of what did Christ empty Himself?
(10) He did not claim the attributes of God, but only the anointing of the Spirit to do His works (note, Jn. 8:28; Mt. 12:28; Lk. 4:16-21). Others stated this was the source of His power (Jn. 3:34; Acts 10:38). Most scriptures used in theological texts proving that Christ had divine attributes on earth are statements true of Him since His glory has been restored and do not prove anything during His life on earth.
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
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Of what did Christ empty Himself?
(9) History records that Christ was limited as a baby and grew in body, soul, and spirit (mind, 1Cor. 2:11), grace, wisdom, stature, and favor with God and man (Lk. 2:40,52). Even after His manhood, His full anointing and gifts of the Spirit, He was still limited in knowledge (Mk. 13:32). He even learned obedience by the things He suffered (Heb. 4:14-16; 5:7-9).
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
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Of what did Christ empty Himself? If it became necessary to anoint Jesus during His earthly life, then it proves He did not retain His former glory and attributes which He had from all eternity when He emptied Himself to become like men in all things (Php. 2:6-8; Heb. 2:14-18; 5:8-9).
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
Of what did Christ empty Himself?
(8) Isaiah (Isa. 42:1-7; 61:1-2) speaks of Messiah receiving His power to manifest divine acts by the anointing of the Holy Spirit and not by retaining His own former natural attributes and powers. Is it necessary for God to be anointed with the Holy Spirit to do what He is naturally capable of doing?
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
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The Kenosis of Christ
Of what did Christ empty Himself?
(7) Isaiah (Isa. 50:4-11) predicted that the Messiah would be born without the tongue of the learned, without knowing how to speak a word in season to help any soul, and that He would be wakened day by day to increase in knowledge and wisdom.
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
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The Kenosis of Christ
Of what did Christ empty Himself?
(6) Isaiah (Isa. 11:2; 53:1-12) speaks of the Messiah being limited as an ordinary baby, showing that God would give Him the spirit of wisdom, understanding, counsel, might, knowledge, and fear of the Lord. If He had these attributes as God from all eternity and did not lay them aside in becoming man when was this ever true of Him?
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
The Kenosis of Christ
Of what did Christ empty Himself?
(5) Isaiah (Isa. 7:14-16) speaks of the Messiah being born without knowledge enough to know to refuse the evil and choose the good.
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
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Of what did Christ empty Himself?
He attributed all His works, doctrines, powers, etc. to the Father through the anointing of the Holy Spirit (note, Jn. 8:28). This is proved by the following facts in Scripture:
(3) He was our example that we should walk in His steps (1Pet. 2:21).
(4) The temptations prove that He was limited as a man so that He could overcome as a man and not as God (Heb. 4:14-16; 5:7-9).
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
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The Kenosis of Christ
Of what did Christ empty Himself?
He attributed all His works, doctrines, powers, etc. to the Father through the anointing of the Holy Spirit (note, Jn. 8:28). This is proved by the following facts in Scripture:
(1) He was limited to the status of a man (Php. 2:6-8; Heb. 2:14-18; 5:8-9).
(2) He was God's agent using God's power of attorney (note, Jn. 8:28; Acts 10:38).
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
The Kenosis of Christ
Of what did Christ empty Himself?
6. His divine attributes and outward powers that He had with the Father from eternity. He had no power to do miracles until He received the Holy Spirit in all fullness (Jn. 2:11; 3:34; Isa. 11:1-2; 42:1-7; 61:1-2; Lk. 3:21-22; 4:16-21; Mt. 12:28; Acts 10:38). He could do nothing of Himself in all His earthly life.
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
The Kenosis of Christ
Of what did Christ empty Himself?
5. His authority in heaven and in earth, which was given back to Him after the resurrection (Mt. 28:18; Php. 2:9-11; Eph. 1:20-23; 1Pet. 3:22)
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
The Kenosis of Christ
Of what did Christ empty Himself?
2. God-form or God-body, the spirit body that He lived in from eternity, to take human-form (Php. 2:6-8; 3:21; Mt. 1:18-25; Lk. 1:35; Jn. 1:14; Lk. 24:37-40; Zech. 13:6; Gal. 4:4; Rom. 8:3)
3. Immortality of body (1Cor. 15:3; Ps. 16:10; 1Pet. 2:24; 3:18)
4. The glory that He had with the Father before the world was (Jn. 12:23; 17:5; Mt. 16:27; Php. 2:5-11)
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
The Kenosis of Christ
Of what did Christ empty Himself?
It could not have been His divine nature, for He was God not only from all eternity (Mic. 5:1-2; Jn. 1:1-2; Heb. 1:8; Rev. 1:8-11), but God manifest in flesh during His life on earth (Isa. 7:14; 9:6-7; Mt. 1:18-25; Jn. 1:1-2,14; 1Tim. 3:16). Christ emptied Himself of:
1. Equality with God (Php. 2:6-7; Jn. 14:28; 1Cor. 11:3)
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
The Kenosis of Christ
Greek: kenoo (GSN-G2758), to empty out, drain. It is translated "make void" (Rom. 4:14; 1Cor. 9:15); "make of none effect" (1Cor. 1:17); "be in vain" (2Cor. 9:3); and "make of no reputation" (i.e., He emptied Himself; Php. 2:7).
HARLANGENEPARROTT 1 year ago
"58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."-John 8:58 "7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."-1 John 5:7
Jesus is Savior!
ofreshartist 3 years ago
Thank you for speaking the TRUTH of YHWH, and for the logical approach you use.
Do you have a regular web site or e-mail?
Blessings.
Bill,Gretchen and Eli
Creamerguy 3 years ago
LOL mystery card
Malachai2012 3 years ago
If Yeshua is not God,How could he walk on the water? How could he feed 5000+ with two little fish and 5 loaves of bread? How did he raise people from the Dead? How did he make the blind see? No one before or since displayed power over the elements, diseases, gravity, death, the spiritual world, and prophecy, Like the Lord Yeshua did, He said they all would know me, from the least to the great, The early Church did not say his name out loud for over 400 years when they fully understood who he is.
JesusistheChrist4Me 3 years ago
did he not tell his disciples they would do even greater works than him?
Malachai2012 3 years ago
How could God serve? Because he became flesh. How could God suffer? Because he became flesh. How could God be tempted? Because he became flesh. How could God be beaten and dispised by the world? Because he became flesh. There are many other more valid reasons for you to reason Yeshua=God other than I don't know the day or the Hour. But to believe the Bible @ all, He that does not Honor the Son just like or the same as the Father, etc,How can you Honor anything the same as God, If he is not God?
JesusistheChrist4Me 3 years ago
flesh isnt God, so you are saying God became unGod . no . and also, you didnt reply to the point about disciples doing the same thgns Jesus did . Elijah also raised people from the dead. so this means you cant ever use the "Jesus did miracles" argument anymore
pianokid100 3 years ago
I believe that the scripture says that God emptied himself, or the word, the heart of God, the exact representation of God, God in the flesh, John 1:1 etc. When he (God) he possessed the fullness of God, but it says that he became flesh, You are not looking at the full picture, Yeshua had to die, How could God die, Because God became flesh,
JesusistheChrist4Me 3 years ago
What about Jesus raising "the temple of his body" from the dead in John 2:19? How can Christ raise himself, and also the Spirit and the Father be involved?
mjmurphy3 3 years ago
Hello again, I would be curious about what you believe at the present, you mentioned you used to hold to the Trinity. I digress to my point.
The topic of Jesus not knowing when He returned is one I've heard before, but this is not solely a Trinity issue. You actually introduced the answer to the question, Jesus is the God-man, i.e., Jesus has two natures Fully Dine and Fully Man.
In relation to omniscience, Jesus was said to have 'increased in wisdom and stature' Luke 2:52...
telemantros 3 years ago
(cont.) ... yet Peter also says that Jesus knows all things (John 21:17) without recieving correction or rebuke. Now Jesus was a Jew and to attribute this quality to Jesus without rebuke, suggests, in light of other rebukes Jesus did elicit against his disciples, that Christ knows all things.
The verse in mark represents Christ's humanity, for Jesus' ministry on the earth was characterized by a life lived by faith and obedience to the Father.
Peace
telemantros 3 years ago
You know, if something is impossible to disprove it's probably not true. Think about that. Trinitarians should think about that.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
Hey newbs50,
By this train of reasoning, then gravity is impossible and the earth is not a sphere. Trinity could be disproven if God were to be disproven. Peace to you.
telemantros 3 years ago
No, we have seen the earth from space and gravity has been proven.
We have both accepted the god of israel. There is NOTHING that ANY scripture could every say that could convince you that the trinity is false. Scripture won't convince you. The fact that the idea of g-d needing parts, and lowering himself to being murdered is absolute blasphemy and underestimating g-ds power won't do it. Believe me, there's NOTHING in 'old' testament that can prove what you're saying if you look at it correctly
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
I'm not following your reasoning. You originally stated that if it is impossible to prove then it is not true, I stated that the earth is a sphere which is impossible to disprove and by your logic not true, which you respond to no the shape of the earth is true. See the problem?
I'd argue with you on the OT not proving Trinity, however you are making some grave assumptions about what I will and won't listen to or study. I'm pretty sure i've never met you, but you are acting like you know me.
telemantros 3 years ago
I mean you no ill will and since this seems like it upsets you I won't discuss this with you if you don't want to. Peace.
telemantros 3 years ago
if you went up in space and earth was the shape of a triangle, then that would be disproving the sphere idea. We've been there, it's a sphere. If jesus said 'i'm not god', you would say 'well he was speaking from the man aspect of his nature.' That is what I mean.
The bible flat out states that g*d is not a man multipe times, and if you continue to read the supposed prophecies which point to jesus they continue to say that the person it's referring to is less than g*d, just a man.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
First of all, let me state that the argument that many Christians use of Yeshua not knowing in His humanity, but really knowing at the same time in His diety is not a valid one. However, you are not understanding (or haven't been exposed to) the doctine of Yeshua's self-emptying or KENOSIS (taken from the verb in Phillipians 2:7).
sjc111111 3 years ago
Basically, this doctrine states that Yeshua voluntarily chose not to access certain aspects of His diety while he walked the earth in the incarnation. With this doctrine in mind, one can understand that at the time Yeshua stated that the Son did not know... it was a true statement. But now that he has ascended back into heaven and is sitting at the right hand of Jehovah he does know the hour because he has taken back access to His omniscience.
sjc111111 3 years ago
One more thing...do you ever wonder why it is that in Matthew 28:19 the singular form of the word NAME is used, rather then the plural form NAMES?
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,"
sjc111111 3 years ago
But knowledge of a fact is not like a coat or umbrella that can be left in a closet somewhere. Knoweldge of a fact is something you either have or don't have.
Torahrevival 3 years ago
If Yeshua was merely a human like any other, then I would agree with that statement. I guess the question is what kind of God do you worship? If one realizes that Yeshua truly was (and is) diety (see John 1:1, Matthew 9:2, John 10:30, John 20:28), then the KENOSIS doctrine is completely understandable.
sjc111111 3 years ago
No, it's not. G*d cannot do 'anything.' That doctrine is false. G*d cannot cause himself to not know something. It's rediculous. He wouldn't be g*d. G*d cannot cause himself to not exist, or cause himself to be evil can he? Anything that makes him less g*d is impossible for him. You ask what kind of g*d we worship, but whom do you worship? A g*d that cannot do it by himself, but instead needs an entire family? One that can be contained on this earth? One that can be killed by humans?
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
So you are saying that God(in the incarnation) could not voluntarily refrain from accessing certain aspects of His diety. Wow. I suggest you re-read Phillipians 2:7. By the way, no human did kill Yeshua (see John 10:18).
sjc111111 3 years ago
You misunderstand what I believe. I don't really care what Phillipians 2:7 says, to be entirely honest. G*d is not a man. Read Exodus 32. The g*d of israel cannot be worshipped through anything on this earth. Saying that he is man and dwelt on earth is true blasphemy. Saying that he would be lowered to being spit on and beaten, and then crucified is blasphemy. And yes, g*d cannot refrain himself from knowing something. He is all knowing, and unchanging.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
The point you are failing to agree with me on is the fact of whether or not COULD God (if He chose) take on the form of human flesh. The New Testament scriptures say that He could and did. NO one is saying that Yeshua was just a man he was and is the GOD-MAN. But obviously you don't consider the New Testament to be of equal inspiration as the Torah, so we are not going to agree on this issue. I truly hope you see the truth of what I am saying some day.
sjc111111 3 years ago
One more question before I go...what do you think Eve meant when she literally said "I have gotten a manchild: Jehovah." (Genesis 4:1) This is what the hebrew literally translates to. This is the same construction of the very next verse "Again, she gave birth to his brother: Abel".
If this is read as it literally reads in the hebrew, then it is apparent that eve understood that her seed would be the God-Man.
sjc111111 3 years ago
If you want to commit idolatry by using a strange translation that noone uses, that's your choice. It says that she bore a child with the help of g*d.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
The amount of people that truly understand that passage has absolutely no bearing on what it is stating. The fact of the matter is that the translators added "with the help of" to that passage because they did not truly grasp what Moses had written down. The facts also are that eve proclaimed "I have gotten a manchild: Jehovah".
Believe what you will, but I have been and will continue to pray that you will see the truth. God bless.
sjc111111 3 years ago
:) i'm glad u see the simple truth , not many people can open their eyes and believe the scripture , as Jesus said they make the word of God of no effect because of the traditions of men
0mega23 3 years ago
let's be sensible ... the son of man, or the son of god? Yahshua used both because he was humanity, and more.
Which as Yahshua stated destroy this temple and "I" will raise it in 3 days ... or stated before abraham was "I AM" ... or caused the arresting group to fall backwards to the ground when he stated "I AM".
Obviously the trinity is not Truth, but i can not understand you demotion of Yahshua.
SithMage 3 years ago
John 20:28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
timmarais 3 years ago
Matthew 28:17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
They could not worshiped him if he was not GOD.
timmarais 3 years ago
Please explain Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
John 4:24 God is Spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
2 Corinthians 3:17 - 18
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
timmarais 3 years ago
it doesn't say god. Come on. There is no word for 'god' in hebrew, in the english sense of the word. Yahweh is really the only word that means 'god' in the way we think of it. El is the word that's used there, maybe elohim. It means mighty one. Many ritcheous men have been called el/elohim in scripture.
Look at Yochanon 10:34-35, then tell me that verse was literally calling yahoshua the most high.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
Actually, in this Isaiah passage the Messiah is given 4 titles here,correct? Of the 4 titles given here (wonderful counselor,mighty God, eternal Father,prince of peace), 3 of these titles can only apply to God. Let me give an example...WONDERFUL counselor. In English the word Wonderful can apply to man or God, but in the hebrew the word used here for wonderful is PELE and this is a word that is only used for God. Never is it used to describe man.
sjc111111 3 years ago
The term mighty God is obviously a term that can only refer to diety and divinity. Eternal Father- in other words he that controls eternity (Father of eternity). Only God could possibly fit here. The last one Prince of peace can apply to man or God. So this only reiterates the GOD-MAN concept.
sjc111111 3 years ago
That is not what it is saying! The most important commandments, for jews and non-jews alike, is that against blasphemy and idolatry. It is blasphemy to say this world could actually contain g*d, and that he would come down as a man(see genesis 33:20. Was the altar g*d? Why not worship it? See Jer. 33:16. Is Jerusalem g*d?) Hos 11:9('for I am g*d, and not a man), Num 23:19('g*d is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent')
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
See Exodus 32. This is what you are doing when you worship jes*us. 2nd chronicles 2:6, 6:18. Even all of the heavens cannot contain god. 1st Kings 8:27. God would never dwell on the earth.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
When someone worships Yeshua they are worshipping God, if the doctrine of the trinity is true. Do you deny that God manifersted Himself here on earth in the form of the Shekinah glory? If you deny this then I suggest you re-read your Old Testament. If God can manifest Himself here on earth in that form, then I certainly think He can manifest Himself in the flesh, if He so desires. If not, then I guess you don't worship much of a God.
sjc111111 3 years ago
I'm vaguely familiar with the term shekinah. Manifestation or presence of g*d, correct? As in the temple. Ok, read the verses I referenced please. There are only three, and I don't want to repost. The entire point of those verses are to say that god could not literally dwell within the temple. Heaven itself cannot contain him. He is outside of space and time. The creator cannot be subject to his creation.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
I think the holy spirit is a holy, divine power of YHWH, who is under the authority of YHWH and Yeshua.
iloveteaandcoffee 3 years ago
I believe the Holy Spitit is GOD.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of our Heaveny Father on earth and in Heaven.
The Holy Spirit is the LORD JESUS (Yeshua)on earth and in heaven at the same time.
Jesus and the Father are ONE.
GOD IS SPIRIT.
We can not put GOD in the box of our limited 3 dimentional understanding. God is everywhere. The omnipresent GOD.
timmarais 3 years ago
I believe the spirit is PART of YHWH and Yeshua, like I said before, a divine, holy power that comes from Him, but it is not an identity of it's own. I think the holy spirit is intertwined between the Father and the Son. I think the Father and the SOn are connected, obviously, since it is son and father, they are together, but Yeshua and YHWH are not the same person. Yeshua is under the authority of YHWH.
Why are you capitalizing 'god', 'the lord', and 'jesus'? they are greek pagan terms.
iloveteaandcoffee 3 years ago
Ephesians 4:4There is
one body and
one Spirit—just as you were called to
one hope when you were called— 5
one Lord,
one faith,
one baptism; 6
one God and Father of all,
who is over all and through all and in all. Romans 9:5
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
timmarais 3 years ago
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
timmarais 3 years ago
Right. It is saying the Father is one. And saying Yeshua is one. It is not saying they are the same person.
iloveteaandcoffee 3 years ago
"For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him (Christ)..." (Colossians 1:19)
What I understand from reading this is that the fullness of Allmighty God dwells in the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is the image of the invisible God.
Just as you are a spirit and live in a phisical body. God the Father is Spirit and dwells in the Heavenly phisical Holy body of Jesus. The two are not separate, just as now the Father and the Son are not separate persons.
timmarais 3 years ago
The Father and the Son are one, just as you and your body are one.
When the LORD appeard to people in the Old Testament, it was Jesus, the great I AM.
timmarais 3 years ago
then why didn't anyone in the entire old testament talk about a 3 part God , it says there is only 1 God , and it never talks about a 3 in 1 God never gives a egg example or anything besides you should have a reason to believe not proof not to believe . if i believed santa clause was part god too what bible proof could u prove me wrong? nothing that wouldn't prove jesus isn't either . read luke 5:20-26 who can forgive sins but God ? what a wonderful oppertunity 4 jesus to s
0mega23 3 years ago
Colossians 1:15
[Christ] 15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
timmarais 3 years ago
Colossians 1:19 "For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him..." Philippians 2:5 "Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8And being found in appearance as a man ... 9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place..."
timmarais 3 years ago
Let's put it this way: If we read nothing in context we will never know anything true from the Scriptures. If we read the Holy Scriptures as if it consisted of one verse, than we might as well give up reading them all together. But know that we work with probabilities.
marephrem 3 years ago
That is we weigh the two views on two sides and weigh what our beliefs are. If the verses that support Christ's Divinity far outweigh those that deny it, then we must be left with one conclusion. If the verses that deny Christ's Divinity far outweigh those that do, then we again are left with one conclusion. But stopping over one verse that does not seem to fit with the rest of the verses of the Scriptures is no good reason to suspend a belief, unless one was already prone to do so.
marephrem 3 years ago
You demonstrate a great lack of knowledge in Trinitarianism and Christology.
marephrem 3 years ago
Thanks TR
bojann79 3 years ago
The truth, in a nutshell, I believe is this: the Trinity is a mystery, yet it is legitimate. 1 John 5:7 shows its legitimacy. Also, regarding the 3 persons of the Trinity, the Spirit is a person, referred to as "he" at least once in the NT. I believe it's also fair to consider Yah a person. So I see the 3 in 1 theory is correct. THE PROBLEM WITH the Trinity is that the 3 parts are not equal; Yah is the head. Yeshua is Yah's Word, while the Spirit is Yah's presence. Continued...
GuyDanielsIII 3 years ago
I agree that Yeshua may not be Yah, while he clearly is/was not simply a man. He was resurrected and ascended and now sits at Yah's right hand. THE PROBLEM for me (and the reason I say "may not") is that Yeshua received WORSHIP numerous times in the NT. According to the Torah, which Yeshua quoted when being tempted by Satan (Matt 4:10), Yah alone is worthy of worship. Aha! Then why was Yeshua worshiped, an action seemingly prohibited by the law of his own Father? That's the mystery to me.
GuyDanielsIII 3 years ago
Hey ahki, first of all, 1 John 5:7 has very dubious manuscript support. Just do a google search on "Johannine Comma" and you should find enough on that. Alternatively, just check the notes in your Bible.
As for Yahoshua being "worshipped" this does not mean that he must be Yahweh. I'll probably do a video on this to break it down.
Torahrevival 3 years ago
Well, if 1 Jn 5:7 is "suspect" as the term goes, the concept known as the Trinity has taken a definite hit in the vitals. I look forward to your theological navigating regarding the Scriptural validity of Yeshua worship in light of Ex 20:3, 5 and Matt 4:10. I might become non-Trinitarian if you're convincing enough...it sounded too polytheistic anyway (like Isis, Horus, and Set).
GuyDanielsIII 3 years ago
Definately look up 1st John 5:7. It's almost common knowledge that this is not a legit verse, and most new bibles no longer include most of it. I believe it was found in ONE of the many early manuscripts, in a latin version, and it is now known to be a little note making a comparison between spirit/flesh/blood to father/son/holy spirit.
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago
Thanks
Yah's blessings.
GuyDanielsIII 3 years ago
TR As usual this is a very good video. I am look forward to the next ones.
Thank you!
nobility66 3 years ago
Todah and your welcome. I'm just putting the finishing touches to another one.
Torahrevival 3 years ago
@Torahrevival You stated that you used to believe in the trinity and the God-man Jesus Christ. Did you really understand what is meant by saying Jesus is fully God and man. It sounds to me that you were either told a wrong answer by a trinitarian who didn't fully understand the trinity or that you didn't fully understand it either. In the verse, Jesus was speaking in his humanity showing that not even he the MAN knows the time of his return, but only the Father....cont...
cubed07 1 year ago
@Torahrevival cont. but Jesus was also fully God so he did know the time and hour of his return. So if you really understood the dual nature of Christ than it should be apparent that their is no contradiction. The same can be said of Jesus death, a lot of people say well if Jesus was God how could God die? Again the dual nature, Christ flesh died, but being fully God he took the keys of death and hell from Satan and rose again on the third day. God never died.
cubed07 1 year ago
God revealed Himself through His Son, and currently through His Holy Spirit. That is how we must be babtized. According to scripture these are eternal beings. No man has seen God... Nobody can see God and live. so all appearrances in the old and new testament must be physical manifestation of the Holy Spirit or His Son, but we still worship the Father. I do believe there is clear distinction, but your in dangerous territory when you deny the Deity of Jesus Christ. Please be careful
Ramohog 3 years ago
I appreciate your concern, but I would say that it is Christians who are on dangerous territory because you are worshipping a man, a human being and calling him "God." This sounds dangerously like idolatry, which is clearly condemned throughout the Scriptures.
Torahrevival 3 years ago
TO SUM UP MY POSITION:
THE TRINITY IS A BUNCH OF CRAP!!
But, Christ was the Word mentioned in John 1:1-3 and then BECAME flesh(John 1:14). Christ has always "willingly submitted" to the Father's will. There are some "tough" scriptures to understand fully, but I can't discount the ones I just posted.
ONCE AGAIN, THE "TRINITY" IS CRAP!!
ricoman73 3 years ago
Thanks for those passages. I disagree with you concerning Yahoshua "pre-existing" and being YAHWEH. I'll hopefully deal with this over the coming weeks and months.
Torahrevival 3 years ago
(John 6:38) For I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
ricoman73 3 years ago
1Co 10:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our FATHERS were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; (2) And were all baptized unto MOSES in the cloud and in the sea; (3) And did all eat the same spiritual meat; (4) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that SPIRITUAL ROCK THAT FOLLOWED THEM: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.
ricoman73 3 years ago
(Joh 8:56-59) Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and HE SAW IT, and was glad. (57) Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? (58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. (59) Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
COMPARE EXODUS 3:13-14
ricoman73 3 years ago
(Heb 1:2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS;
(Joh 17:5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the GLORY WHICH I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.
ricoman73 3 years ago
You are correct. Please read Proverbs 8:12-34,
Psalm 11:1-7, Psalms 2:1-8. Messiah is the SON of the Most High. He is the first BORN of all creation. He assisted the Father in creating all things. These verses listed above explains this. Hope this helps you. Shalom.
fortruthandlove 3 years ago
(Eph 3:9) And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who CREATED ALL THINGS BY JESUS CHRIST:
(Col 1:16) For BY HIM were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
ricoman73 3 years ago
(Gen 1:26) And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
THIS VERSE SHOWS AT LEAST 2 BEINGS AT CREATION
ricoman73 3 years ago
THE TRUE BEGINNING OF THE BIBLE:
(John 1:1-3) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (2) The same was in the beginning with God. (3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
(Joh 1:14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
JESUS WAS THE WORD BEFORE HE "BECAME" FLESH
ricoman73 3 years ago
Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
quest380 3 years ago
ruds81, I also believe that the Messiah existed before his time here on earth. However I don't believe that he always was, instead I believe the Messiah was established outside of time itself. He said it himself, "before Avraham was I am". He wasn't claiming to be God, He was just letting them know that he existed even before their venerated father Avraham.
ImAKing1982 3 years ago
ruds81,
ImAKing1982 3 years ago
HalleluYAH! This is on time. Most PAGAN religions believe in some kind of trinity. That is a bad sign. Deuteronomy 6:4 HEAR, O ESRAEL! YHWH IS OUR ELOHIM, YHWH IS ONE.
(not three in one.) The belief in the trinity is one of those things 'you just have to understand' it reminds me of the story of the emperor's new clothes. Only 'smart' people could see his invisible clothes. Only a child was honest enough to admit the emperor is naked! Messiah said the kingdom is like one such as these. A child
fortruthandlove 3 years ago
Hey, that's a very good analogy! Todah for that.
Torahrevival 3 years ago
This is a subject that I still don't quite understand. I am convinced 100% that Yeshua has always existed; He was not created at some point like the JW's say. However, I still can't say with certainty that Yeshua is Yahweh Himself. Just like there are passages that CLEARLY shows that He is not (i.e. Mar 13:32), there are other passages that CLEARLY say He is Yahweh Himself.
ruds81 3 years ago
Yes my friend it was hard for me also. This passage really helped me out. Please read Proverbs 8:12-34. This is explaining the position of Yahshua. Also Psalm 11:1-7. YHWH said to my Lord...
Also Psalms 2:1-8. I hope this helps. Pray for his Holy Spirit. Seek and you shall find. Shalom.
fortruthandlove 3 years ago
Another great vid!! Keep it up
DeeJayemet 3 years ago
So u got God the Unbegotten and God the begotten,He is the Son and thereby of the same nature as God,Maybe it just wasnt opportune for Jesus to reveal the End of it all ,In fact He lead his contemporary to believe His second coming could be imminent!
I have my problems too with the Trinity ,But there cannot be much doubt as to if Jesus was God incarnate,Immanuel God with us,Yeheshua Yahweh saves ,Is John 1 of no authority these days are we dealing with a JW here? maybe u are lacking the Spirit?
RoelGeurtsen 3 years ago
Hey there. I have been thinking I need to do a video outlining my take on John 1 as that is a very major proof-text for the Trinity. I will add it to my list of videos to get done this week.
btw, I'm not a J-dub.
Torahrevival 3 years ago
The Messiah only knows what the Father reveals to Him.
ImAKing1982 3 years ago
Christ came in the flesh but was not yet delivered that is why he said they is only good but God alone, all have sinned apart from Yeshua because he is Yahweh incarnate,
JESUSISLORDAMEN 3 years ago
The Christians that use the dual nature excuse are basically saying that the Messiah's human side was more powerful than his god side....Doesn't make much since at all brother!
ImAKing1982 3 years ago
Great video brother! This was the same exact verse that caused me so much problems with the trinity. How can you know something, but at the same time be ignorant to the same thing?
ImAKing1982 3 years ago
It is unbelievable what lengths people will go to in order to defend the trinity. yehoshua literally could have said I am not god, and people would go back to "Well of course he wasn't god in his human nature, but his deity is and was god."
I can't even talk to people about this anymore. I literally proved this to someone the other day, and he said he still believed because he had "faith." Yeah, faith in something that isn't found in the bible.(tbc)
ipwnnewbs50 3 years ago